Sept. 30, 2021

You’re Making Me Feel Bad

You’re Making Me Feel Bad

We hear various objections to our ministry on the sidewalk. You’re making me feel bad is just one of many phrases we hear. In this episode, we explore what the Bible has to say about this statement and how we can graciously answer when we hear this.


We hear various objections to our ministry on the sidewalk. You’re making me feel bad is just one of many phrases we hear. In this episode, we explore what the Bible has to say about this statement and how we can graciously answer when we hear this.

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. S and me, 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.349 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the 3 00:00:11.429 --> 00:00:17.309 Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge 4 00:00:17.350 --> 00:00:20.910 you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. 5 00:00:21.109 --> 00:00:32.060 Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:34.939 --> 00:00:39.130 Welcome back to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us 7 00:00:39.729 --> 00:00:46.329 and we're here recording. We're actually I'm here, Vicki's there. From her 8 00:00:46.369 --> 00:00:49.729 perspective, I'm there and she's here and here you're there. Yeah, I 9 00:00:49.969 --> 00:00:55.439 was here first. I've really yes, yes, you were recording remotely and 10 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.079 so, as in the past couple of episodes, we've kind of given you 11 00:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.799 guys that as claimer. If you hear some weird wonky things going on, 12 00:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.469 we're doing the best we can to record in good quality, but there can 13 00:01:06.510 --> 00:01:10.670 be some things that happen from I mean all the way from the West Coast 14 00:01:10.670 --> 00:01:14.349 to the east coast, through the wires and all that stuff. You know, 15 00:01:14.469 --> 00:01:18.150 demons like to get in there and stir up trouble and and things get 16 00:01:18.189 --> 00:01:22.019 cut out and you know all of that. So doing the best we can 17 00:01:22.099 --> 00:01:26.620 to give you guys a highest quatity, call quality listening experience that we can. 18 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:30.459 But the most important thing thing is that we speak the truth, and 19 00:01:30.540 --> 00:01:34.730 so we're going to be coming, as always, from a biblical perspective and 20 00:01:36.329 --> 00:01:42.209 speaking from experiences on the sidewalk, stuff that we have encountered ourselves and just 21 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:45.409 want to equip you, guess. And so, as you know, if 22 00:01:45.409 --> 00:01:49.480 you've been listened to this podcast or any length of time, we're we're speaking 23 00:01:49.640 --> 00:01:56.040 from our experiences or questions that other people have asked us, things that just 24 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.200 kind of pop up in conversations. Hey, this will be a good podcast 25 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.269 to cover. And this is. This is in that same vein, and 26 00:02:02.430 --> 00:02:06.989 so we're what are we going to be talking about today, Vicky? Well, 27 00:02:07.150 --> 00:02:12.550 we hear this all the time from pro abortion people, from the MOMS, 28 00:02:12.629 --> 00:02:16.620 from support people. They'll say, why are you making them feel bad? 29 00:02:16.860 --> 00:02:21.780 Yeah, don't you see, you're making them cry, and they tell 30 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:24.500 us that therefore, we should be quiet because we're causing grief. Yeah, 31 00:02:24.580 --> 00:02:30.650 we're causing guilt, shame, whatever. So we thought it would be a 32 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:35.849 really good idea to talk through that, because it's easy for us to fall 33 00:02:36.009 --> 00:02:39.370 prey to what we're accused of. Yeah, and to believe it. And 34 00:02:39.889 --> 00:02:44.050 I think it's really important, as always, to go to the Bible. 35 00:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.000 The Bible is such a great guide in and it has a lot to say 36 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:54.199 about what our speech should be. Yeah, what it what it should convey, 37 00:02:54.360 --> 00:03:00.189 and even how we should speak. So that's what we did with this 38 00:03:00.509 --> 00:03:04.430 this podcast. The kind of the working title is how we're how should we 39 00:03:04.509 --> 00:03:07.990 respond to women who say they are making us feel bad? Yeah, and 40 00:03:07.270 --> 00:03:13.180 so we've examined that from a biblical standpoint. Yeah, yeah, I mean, 41 00:03:13.300 --> 00:03:16.740 certainly we hear a lot of things, a lot of objections to our 42 00:03:16.860 --> 00:03:20.659 presence out there on the sidewalk. One of them is, of course, 43 00:03:20.699 --> 00:03:23.020 you're making them feel bad. You. A lot of times it's a dad 44 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:27.139 who will come out and say you're making my girlfriend feel bad. I mean, 45 00:03:27.139 --> 00:03:29.490 I've even been threatened that, you know, if you don't stop talking 46 00:03:29.530 --> 00:03:31.610 to my girlfriend and while wife, then I'm going to punch your lights out 47 00:03:31.650 --> 00:03:36.090 because you're making me feel bad. There's a lot of other things that we 48 00:03:36.210 --> 00:03:39.129 hear that you know, you're judging. Why are you judging? Why are 49 00:03:39.169 --> 00:03:43.400 you guys out here trying to make yourselves look righteous. You know, it's 50 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.840 like you get all these accusations and so you just of course, gas be 51 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.639 prepared that people are going to accuse you of all kinds of things and know 52 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.789 ultimately, what the source is. The source is the flesh and the devil. 53 00:03:55.830 --> 00:03:59.550 Right, it's the devil trying to discourage you. It's people in their 54 00:03:59.629 --> 00:04:04.229 flesh trying to defend themselves and trying to make really an apologetic for why you 55 00:04:04.270 --> 00:04:08.509 shouldn't be out there, but it's okay for them to be there to kill 56 00:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.740 their child. And so we can't let these things shake us. But we 57 00:04:12.860 --> 00:04:16.060 do need to consider what people are saying and because we want to reach them, 58 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:19.019 we don't want to just say well, you're concerned, doesn't matter, 59 00:04:19.459 --> 00:04:24.689 and just ignore them when they say you're making me feel bad. I think 60 00:04:24.689 --> 00:04:28.649 there's good ways to respond, healthy ways to respond. I think one of 61 00:04:28.689 --> 00:04:32.089 the things that we've all always said all along is that we want to identify 62 00:04:32.170 --> 00:04:35.370 with people's pain. We want to have compassion, you know, we want 63 00:04:35.370 --> 00:04:40.360 to suffer with them and if they feel bad, we know it's because their 64 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.319 conscience is what's bothering them. Ultimately, they feel bad because they know what 65 00:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.399 they're doing is wrong. But there's a way for us to identify with their 66 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.360 pain and to kind of enter into their struggle with them without just saying well, 67 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.629 you know it, because you can respond you're feeling bad because what you're 68 00:04:56.629 --> 00:04:59.790 doing is wrong. I think that could be a chetive said. It may 69 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:01.430 not be the most helpful, but I have said that before. Yeah, 70 00:05:01.550 --> 00:05:04.269 but you know, I think again, like we've said often times, your 71 00:05:04.350 --> 00:05:08.459 tone can can mean a lot. You can say that and I think that 72 00:05:08.660 --> 00:05:14.579 it's appropriate to say that, but kind of an accusatory tone is not going 73 00:05:14.620 --> 00:05:17.379 to be helpful. You know, you feel bad because you should feel bad 74 00:05:17.379 --> 00:05:21.329 because you're about to kill your baby. You can say that more calmly like 75 00:05:21.769 --> 00:05:26.850 you could ask the question. So why do you think what I'm saying makes 76 00:05:26.889 --> 00:05:30.730 you feel bad? Is it because what I'm saying bothers your conscience? Is 77 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.370 it? Is it possible? This is the question I would ask. Is 78 00:05:33.449 --> 00:05:38.759 it possible that you feel bad because you know God would never want you to 79 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.839 do what you're about to do? Is that possible? You know it is. 80 00:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.959 So. So I guess the the very first thought when we're encountering anyone 81 00:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.550 questioning how we're speaking to them as well, what? What is the overarching 82 00:05:54.910 --> 00:05:59.310 biblical principle of our speech? What? What should our speech be? And 83 00:05:59.389 --> 00:06:03.149 I I did research that, you know, from a biblical standpoint and I 84 00:06:03.230 --> 00:06:08.620 would say if I had to choose one word for our speech, it should 85 00:06:08.620 --> 00:06:11.660 be at a fine. Yeah, it should be at a fine. And 86 00:06:12.019 --> 00:06:17.060 and so I did a word search then of of versus in the Bible, 87 00:06:17.180 --> 00:06:21.329 of which there's Zillions, that talk about at a fine or the word at 88 00:06:21.410 --> 00:06:25.689 a fire, at a fine or are in those verses and we go through 89 00:06:25.769 --> 00:06:29.329 some of them in an article. Yea, we will include with this. 90 00:06:30.209 --> 00:06:33.759 But the first thing I did was that's a word that that we hear all 91 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.720 the time at a fine, because it's throughout the Bible. That is what 92 00:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.160 our speech is to be. So I looked up, well, what does 93 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.149 that mean, literally in the in the dictionary, and it was pretty interesting. 94 00:06:47.350 --> 00:06:50.790 So I wrote it down. At this was from the Oxford Dictionary. 95 00:06:50.829 --> 00:06:55.670 I think that is a well respected dictionary. Sure, I don't really know. 96 00:06:55.750 --> 00:06:58.470 I don't think it's as great as webster's dictionary, but it'll do. 97 00:06:58.589 --> 00:07:00.779 Yeah, okay. Well, what came up on the Internet was oxen. 98 00:07:00.819 --> 00:07:10.100 All right. So, so at a fine originates from middle English and it's 99 00:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.980 from the Latin and I won't say the word. It's too hard. I 100 00:07:13.060 --> 00:07:18.410 can't even figure out how to say it. But build or to make like 101 00:07:18.610 --> 00:07:21.529 an edifice, to build an edifice of a building. Yeah, and the 102 00:07:21.649 --> 00:07:29.329 word originally meant to construct a building. It also means to strengthen. And 103 00:07:29.769 --> 00:07:36.920 so the the meaning of those parts put together means to build up morally, 104 00:07:38.639 --> 00:07:47.310 and how Oxford defined edifying was to instruct or improve someone morally or intellectually. 105 00:07:47.509 --> 00:07:55.389 So at to edify someone we are literally building them up, we're and we're 106 00:07:55.550 --> 00:08:03.579 improving or instructing morally. Yeah. So so that, I think is a 107 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.980 good beginning place. And of course Oxford is not the Bible, right, 108 00:08:09.139 --> 00:08:13.889 and and so there we would of course want to use our edifying speech as 109 00:08:15.009 --> 00:08:18.449 the Bible defines, yeah, what that speech should be. And so so 110 00:08:18.290 --> 00:08:24.930 that's where I went through a whole bunch of different verses where the word edifyinge 111 00:08:24.089 --> 00:08:31.559 is used and and wanted to be sure that we understood what the Bible says, 112 00:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.759 yea, about how we should be speaking. So the first one is 113 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:45.149 Effesians for twenty nine. Okay, okay, and that says let no corrupting 114 00:08:45.190 --> 00:08:50.669 talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building 115 00:08:50.789 --> 00:08:54.629 up. Remember, building up is means that define. Yeah, as fits 116 00:08:54.740 --> 00:09:01.539 the occasion, that it may give grace to the those who hear. Yeah, 117 00:09:01.539 --> 00:09:05.659 okay, so it that gives a a bunch of clues, if in 118 00:09:05.019 --> 00:09:09.100 in what our speech should be. If, if we if we break that 119 00:09:09.740 --> 00:09:13.850 that down? Yeah, yeah, you know, want to pipe in real 120 00:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.970 quick because as we talk about edifying, to me the word to edify of 121 00:09:20.090 --> 00:09:22.970 course means to build up, and I think that word has been applied, 122 00:09:22.009 --> 00:09:26.600 at least in the Christian circles, as we're to edify each other, right, 123 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639 we're to build one another up as fellow believers, and that's certainly true. 124 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.399 Right, we need to build one another up, we need to edify 125 00:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.559 one another. You know, it says, I think it's in First Corinthians 126 00:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.830 Chapter Twelve and maybe First Corinthians chapter fourteen, where Paul's talking about the gifts 127 00:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.070 of the spirit and the use of the gifts of the spirit in the church 128 00:09:45.470 --> 00:09:48.669 should be to edify others, not just to edify yourself. So there's certainly 129 00:09:48.710 --> 00:09:52.509 the context for that, right, that we need to edify each other and 130 00:09:52.629 --> 00:09:56.259 listen, we're on the sidewalk. Let's build each other up right, let's 131 00:09:56.259 --> 00:10:00.100 let's edify one another, let's speak words are going to encourage each other. 132 00:10:00.139 --> 00:10:05.899 But this word edification or edify doesn't just speak to encouraging, but it also 133 00:10:05.899 --> 00:10:11.289 speaks to like bringing people up to where they need to be morally. As 134 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:16.529 you said in that that definition, that sometimes edifying words can sting a little 135 00:10:16.570 --> 00:10:20.970 bit. Right. I mean, if anyone was was an edifier, it 136 00:10:20.129 --> 00:10:26.240 was the Lord Jesus, right in his desire to edify the Pharisees. He 137 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.320 confronts them, right, he confronts them in their departure from the truth and 138 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.950 all of that. The goal is, though, not to tear down but 139 00:10:35.070 --> 00:10:41.070 to edify. But of course we know sometimes in order to build up there's 140 00:10:41.070 --> 00:10:43.590 got to be pride has got to be torn down. So if you edify 141 00:10:43.830 --> 00:10:50.539 somebody, sometimes what you're doing is tearing down their pride. But in this 142 00:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.100 scripture where it talks about in Verse Twenty Nine of Ephesians Chapter for that we 143 00:10:54.179 --> 00:10:58.220 want to impart grace, or speak in such a way that imparts grace to 144 00:10:58.259 --> 00:11:01.980 the here that we don't don't want to just give information, but we want 145 00:11:01.980 --> 00:11:05.009 to speak in such a way that, yes, we might be tearing some 146 00:11:05.210 --> 00:11:09.009 things down, tearing down some lies, to bring these women or these men 147 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:13.409 up morally to where they need to be, to edify them morally, but 148 00:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.570 we want to speak in such a way that there's grace in it. Right, 149 00:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.279 and then this mean we're Nice, but it means there's empowerment. The 150 00:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.480 word grace speaks to not just kind of like we think this this idea of 151 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.909 we're gracious or whatever. So we're Nice, but that biblical word, the 152 00:11:33.990 --> 00:11:37.190 word caress, I believe is the Greek word there, speaks of empowerment. 153 00:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.950 And so we can speak in such a way where there's an empowerment in the 154 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:43.830 words, and the words could maybe perceived to be tearing down, but the 155 00:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.340 goal is actually to edify, to build up and to empower these men and 156 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:52.299 women to do the right thing, right morally, to make good choices. 157 00:11:52.899 --> 00:11:58.500 Yeah, what I was thinking of when when I first read the definition where 158 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:01.970 the word are only at if I is to construct a building. I was 159 00:12:01.049 --> 00:12:07.129 thinking about that. What makes a building well constructed and strong and absolutely the 160 00:12:07.529 --> 00:12:13.889 first thing that must be there is a stable and firm foundation. Yeah, 161 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:18.200 and so if we're going to edify. I think similarly, the foundation of 162 00:12:18.240 --> 00:12:24.080 our speech must be firm and stable and it therefore it must be biblical. 163 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.840 Yeah, it must be based on Biblical truth. And when you find the 164 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:37.629 MOMS and dad's at the abortion center countering us, they their truths are not 165 00:12:37.950 --> 00:12:46.340 biblical all they're they're often very selfish, self motivated and corrupted, and that 166 00:12:46.419 --> 00:12:50.700 effesions for twenty nine tells us that where we, on the other hand, 167 00:12:50.940 --> 00:12:54.980 are to not let corrupting talk come out of our mouth, we are not 168 00:12:54.220 --> 00:12:58.970 to have corrupt speech. And so I looked up corrupt because because I thought, 169 00:12:58.970 --> 00:13:03.129 okay, what does that mean? To have corrupt speech? And the 170 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:09.169 verb corrupt means to change your debase by making errors or unintentional alterations, probably 171 00:13:09.330 --> 00:13:13.480 intentional as well. So, in other words, your speech is corrupt if 172 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480 you're not speaking truth, if you're altering the truth to suit the hearer, 173 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.039 and and we can't do that. That's what they're asking us to do. 174 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:35.990 They're asking us don't feel bad, be silent and what you're speaking is is 175 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.190 just to make yourself look good or whatever, when indeed we are speaking what 176 00:13:41.350 --> 00:13:45.460 the Bible not only commands us to speak, but what the Bible does. 177 00:13:46.059 --> 00:13:48.779 YEA, Hey, yeah, about what's happening there. Yeah, absolutely. 178 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:52.340 And this is where, you know, from our perspective, as those who 179 00:13:52.379 --> 00:13:56.090 want to speak the truth, are those who are called to speak the truth, 180 00:13:56.370 --> 00:13:58.809 where we need to really examine the motive of our hearts is there can 181 00:13:58.889 --> 00:14:03.169 be a sense in which, and you know, I think we can all 182 00:14:03.490 --> 00:14:09.129 battle with this, where we can tear other people down in order to build 183 00:14:09.129 --> 00:14:11.720 ourselves up. So, you know, for example, we see these women 184 00:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.720 going into the abortion centers and in our hearts, in our minds, we 185 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.919 can think how horrible they are and we would never be like them, when 186 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.919 in reality, what we're doing is we're tearing them down, we're bringing them 187 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.590 down to a lower level than ourselves and make ourselves feel good because maybe we 188 00:14:26.710 --> 00:14:30.269 have our own struggles and things like that. We've got to make sure that 189 00:14:30.350 --> 00:14:33.269 we're coming from a proper motive, that we actually yes, we're going to 190 00:14:33.309 --> 00:14:35.629 speak truth and yes, we're going to view things properly. These women that 191 00:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.259 are going into the abortion centers, they're bound in sin there, in rebellion 192 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:43.779 to God, but so were we at one point. We need to put 193 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.860 ourselves in in in the proper place that we, except for the mercy, 194 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.259 in the grace of God, we would be right where they are in reality, 195 00:14:52.460 --> 00:14:54.809 right so that we can speak from such a way that imparts grace to 196 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.730 the here and we're not just coming across. I guess my main point with 197 00:14:58.009 --> 00:15:01.850 this is when we speak to these women, to these men, we don't 198 00:15:01.850 --> 00:15:07.360 want to becoming across as accusatory or like somehow we're better than them. Now 199 00:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.360 we're accused of that. You think you're better than me, you think you're 200 00:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.960 better than these people, you think you're better than you know, the women 201 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.799 are the men that have abortions. I don't actually I know my own heart, 202 00:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.389 apart from Christ, and I'm far worse right. So I don't think 203 00:15:22.389 --> 00:15:24.950 that at all. We're accused of that, but we want to make sure 204 00:15:24.990 --> 00:15:30.870 we're not coming across and coming with a motive that lines up with that that 205 00:15:31.110 --> 00:15:35.820 we do think we man. We should never think that we're better than the 206 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:41.100 people who are living in rebellion that God, because we at one time we're 207 00:15:41.179 --> 00:15:45.779 living in rebellion to God. Yeah, so motivation and tone are both really, 208 00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:50.210 really critical. One of the things that is always in my heart. 209 00:15:50.250 --> 00:15:56.970 Well, I guess not always because I'm not in glory yet. But but 210 00:15:56.330 --> 00:16:00.529 is am I obeying God? Yeah, and and what I'm about to say 211 00:16:00.570 --> 00:16:08.360 or do, and and certainly I mean a great verse that talks about one 212 00:16:08.399 --> 00:16:15.840 of the reasons we should speak is Ezekiel, three, eighteen, nineteen, 213 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.190 and that first says, if I say to the wicked, you will surely 214 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:22.350 die. This is God, I guess, speaking. Ye, if I 215 00:16:22.429 --> 00:16:26.669 say to the wicked, you shall surely die and you give him no warning, 216 00:16:26.309 --> 00:16:30.149 nor speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way in order to save 217 00:16:30.350 --> 00:16:37.419 his life, that wicked person shall die for his iniquity, but his blood 218 00:16:37.700 --> 00:16:42.139 I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked and he 219 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.700 does not turn from his weakness or from his wicked way, he shall die 220 00:16:45.820 --> 00:16:49.970 for his iniquity, but you will have delivered your soul. So that almost 221 00:16:49.970 --> 00:16:52.570 sounds selfish, that I'm just looking out for myself, and I'm not. 222 00:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.490 I'm not looking at that part of it. I'm looking at where, where 223 00:16:56.570 --> 00:17:00.970 God is saying, if you know the truth and you know they're on a 224 00:17:00.009 --> 00:17:03.920 path of wicked rebellion, and where that leads? That leads to hell. 225 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:12.559 Yeah, it is not loving, nor is it really biblically allowed for us 226 00:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.950 to be silent, right, we are to speak. Yeah, absolutely. 227 00:17:18.029 --> 00:17:22.349 Yeah. So part of that that verse that I also was thinking about in 228 00:17:22.430 --> 00:17:29.470 the effusions for twenty nine is where it says as fits the occasion. Yeah, 229 00:17:30.420 --> 00:17:34.180 so we're to speak as fits the occasion, and I was thinking maybe 230 00:17:34.259 --> 00:17:37.940 here's some thoughts on that. My thought was, well, the occasion is 231 00:17:37.019 --> 00:17:41.660 a baby's about to be killed, yeah, by her own parents. Yeah, 232 00:17:41.819 --> 00:17:45.529 absolutely. Yeah. And of course, again, the occasion is that 233 00:17:45.690 --> 00:17:48.569 we're standing in front of a place of darkness, in a place of death, 234 00:17:48.650 --> 00:17:52.369 but also, again, the reality that these are these are broken and 235 00:17:52.490 --> 00:17:57.529 hurting people. They've been deceived by the devil to do something that no mother 236 00:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.279 whatever in her right mind want to do. Their under a spirit of fear. 237 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.920 They've been gripped by fear, fear of what's going to happen in the 238 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.279 future. So that's the occasion as well. Like we need to take in 239 00:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.839 the totality of the picture. Yes, like I said earlier, they're in 240 00:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.549 rebellion to God, a babies about to die. As you said, it's 241 00:18:15.549 --> 00:18:19.349 a place of darkness, in a place of death, but these women, 242 00:18:19.430 --> 00:18:26.309 these men are bound by sin. You know in just like there's a balance 243 00:18:26.349 --> 00:18:29.500 here with this right. People are responsible for their sin. So they don't 244 00:18:29.500 --> 00:18:33.420 give people a free pass on rebellion and Sin Against God. But we do 245 00:18:33.539 --> 00:18:37.579 need to understand too, that these people are blinded. The Bible says, 246 00:18:37.660 --> 00:18:41.569 the God of this age has blind in their eyes. Right, they're under 247 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.089 a spirit of delusion, they're believing a lie, as we had at one 248 00:18:45.170 --> 00:18:48.170 point. So we need to take in the totality of the picture and I 249 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049 think that's why there's this hopefully, what you're getting from me, guys, 250 00:18:52.089 --> 00:18:57.039 is there's this tightrope walk of walking in the spirit and speaking, yes, 251 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.480 with truth, because we're supposed to. We have to speak the truth, 252 00:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.160 but also with with kindness, with gentleness, as the Bible says. So 253 00:19:07.359 --> 00:19:12.109 can you speak harsh truths like you're about to murder your child and do that 254 00:19:12.269 --> 00:19:17.869 in a loving way? Absolutely, absolutely you can. The Bible says that 255 00:19:18.029 --> 00:19:22.470 we can and that we should. But we ourselves need to be checking our 256 00:19:22.509 --> 00:19:26.099 own hearts. And if you want to do this, what I'm talking about, 257 00:19:26.019 --> 00:19:32.619 and thrive in its speak with truth and with grace, some might say. 258 00:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.619 You've got to be walking with the Lord. You've got to have your 259 00:19:36.660 --> 00:19:38.890 heart before God. You've got to be in the scriptures, because it's a 260 00:19:40.009 --> 00:19:42.210 difficult balance. We can get we can get off balance one way or the 261 00:19:42.289 --> 00:19:48.410 other where you know, it's it's all truth and no grace. Are All 262 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.410 grace and no truth, and so we don't want to be an all truth 263 00:19:52.529 --> 00:19:55.400 where you're just a bully and you're just beating people up with your words, 264 00:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.440 and you don't want to be all grace where all you're talking about is how 265 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.880 much God loves people. Right. Yeah, there's that balance there and it 266 00:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.920 takes us being in the scriptures, walking with God and each you know, 267 00:20:07.309 --> 00:20:11.589 each other holding each other accountable on the sidewalk there. That's that's important in 268 00:20:11.829 --> 00:20:15.269 this in this conversation, that we encourage each other, that we can edify 269 00:20:15.349 --> 00:20:19.950 each other by sometimes bringing some correction. I mean, I've been corrected before 270 00:20:21.579 --> 00:20:23.700 where I've gotten a little too in the flesh or whatever, got a little 271 00:20:23.700 --> 00:20:29.099 too angry at maybe a man that's come over and gotten in my face and 272 00:20:29.180 --> 00:20:30.900 he's cussing me out and I want to, you know, just kind of 273 00:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.809 stick my finger back in his face. So I've been corrected on that level 274 00:20:36.329 --> 00:20:40.089 and I've corrected people on that level and that's that's most of the time when 275 00:20:40.130 --> 00:20:41.410 we get off the rails, as when we start to get angry and started 276 00:20:41.410 --> 00:20:45.250 getting in the flesh and get in you know, out of balance as far 277 00:20:45.289 --> 00:20:48.769 as just hammering people with the truth. So, you know, for us 278 00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.400 as believers in Jesus and as fellow sidewalk counselors, we need to hold each 279 00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.799 other kind of wing edify each other and bring corrective words sometimes. Yeah, 280 00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.920 and I don't know if you were reading ahead, but that's our next point 281 00:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.549 in a and a really good point. It brought up a couple things that 282 00:21:07.670 --> 00:21:10.390 I didn't mention in the article but that I was thinking as you were speaking. 283 00:21:10.470 --> 00:21:14.910 One of them the next, the next main thing that our speech needs 284 00:21:15.029 --> 00:21:18.259 to be is should equip others the work of ministry, and that's exactly what 285 00:21:18.500 --> 00:21:22.859 you were talking about. But something that occurred to me as you were speaking 286 00:21:22.900 --> 00:21:27.460 about that Balance Between Truth and grace is God knows what he's doing. It's 287 00:21:27.619 --> 00:21:33.769 so often what I have found in the team's is that there is someone that 288 00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:38.769 maybe is more suited for speaking those harsh truths and someone else who balances that 289 00:21:40.769 --> 00:21:47.880 with maybe some more of that grace and love and gentle compassionate side so that 290 00:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.759 the team really becomes like a unified body. Yeah, speaking towards those women 291 00:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.200 and and and we help each other in that manner. That that we have 292 00:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.430 different gifts. I do think every one of US needs to try and find 293 00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:07.670 that balance that you talked about. But I do know, like if I 294 00:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.670 were as I think about my team members, there are some that I would 295 00:22:11.750 --> 00:22:15.259 probably characterize as more when hard truths need to be spoken, that's person I 296 00:22:15.819 --> 00:22:19.460 I really hope will speak up. And when there's someone may be broken and 297 00:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.859 needs a little bit more of a gentle, compassion grace filled approach, there 298 00:22:23.900 --> 00:22:29.619 are some that are really really just suited for for that. Yeah, but 299 00:22:30.569 --> 00:22:33.609 one of the the verse that I found that speaks of that as Effesians for 300 00:22:33.849 --> 00:22:38.690 seventeen. I'm sure there's many others, but that our speech should equip the 301 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:45.240 saints for the work of Ministry, for building up the body of Christ. 302 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:51.440 And so I was thinking, okay, does that apply to when we're standing 303 00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.079 in front of an abortion center? And there were a few things I thought 304 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.480 if I'm sure you'll have some other thoughts, Daniel, but one of them 305 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:06.230 was that if one of US stands boldly for truth, speaking truth, it 306 00:23:06.390 --> 00:23:14.019 has an encouraging effect on everyone. Yeah, there, and it I just 307 00:23:14.579 --> 00:23:18.980 just as the same as true from the perspective of the mom's going into that 308 00:23:18.059 --> 00:23:22.380 abortion center. If they're and we've seen this happen sometimes, where one will 309 00:23:22.420 --> 00:23:25.700 stand up boldly saying hey, this is wrong and I'm leaving, and others 310 00:23:25.740 --> 00:23:32.970 will follow. Yeah. So when when we stand boldly and speak truth, 311 00:23:33.690 --> 00:23:41.410 it edifies our fellow counselors in that it gives them the courage to to do 312 00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.960 the same. Yeah. Absolute. Yeah, I mean it's just a common 313 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.359 human reality. Others are standing boldly, it gives us the ability to stand 314 00:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.549 boldly because we say we're not alone in this thing. Right. So, 315 00:23:59.750 --> 00:24:03.869 in in contrast, let's say that someone ask that question, why are you 316 00:24:04.109 --> 00:24:11.619 making me feel bad, and our counselor whoever is responding to that question says, 317 00:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.740 Oh, I'm sorry, I don't want to, I don't want to 318 00:24:12.740 --> 00:24:17.420 make you feel bad, right. Yeah. Well, what that does? 319 00:24:17.539 --> 00:24:22.220 That equip and edify the church? No, because it's not biblical. Yeah, 320 00:24:22.259 --> 00:24:26.369 we, we. So we need to know how to answer that question. 321 00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:30.769 We do need a response to that question and I think the question, 322 00:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.049 as we answer it. Not only are we helping that mom, that dad, 323 00:24:34.089 --> 00:24:37.920 whoever is, is saying hey, you're making me feel bad, but 324 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:47.079 we're reminding the church they have a role here to speak truth, speak it 325 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:52.000 graciously, speak it in love, but don't shy away from the fact that 326 00:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.750 that's what we are called to do. So when we respond well to that 327 00:24:56.829 --> 00:25:03.230 question, I think we do indeed edify our fellow believers and and help to 328 00:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.740 build up the body of Christ. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 329 00:25:07.779 --> 00:25:12.220 Well, I mean we're we're not called to have every answer to every question 330 00:25:12.259 --> 00:25:15.980 right. Well, we are called to be ready to give a defense for 331 00:25:17.019 --> 00:25:19.700 the hope that's in us. Right, and I think that can include when 332 00:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.769 we're speaking the truth in this context, where when somebody challenges us, we 333 00:25:23.849 --> 00:25:27.170 can give a proper response. And what is the proper response? I think 334 00:25:27.250 --> 00:25:30.609 the proper response is kind of what we talked about earlier. And again, 335 00:25:30.690 --> 00:25:34.250 tone can matter a whole lot, but I believe what you've got written here. 336 00:25:34.329 --> 00:25:37.319 You know, when someone comes out, and a lot of times it's 337 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.240 the man or it's a friend or something like that. It's very rarely the 338 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.599 mom that comes out and says you're making me feel bad. It's normally a 339 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.599 friend or, you know, the boyfriend or something like that. You're making 340 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.470 me feel that often apparent of the team. I heard a lot when it's 341 00:25:49.470 --> 00:25:55.670 a mom or dad protecting they feel they're protecting their their teenager. Yeah. 342 00:25:56.990 --> 00:25:59.910 So, yeah, the response, I think, is again with the proper 343 00:26:00.029 --> 00:26:04.059 tone. Maybe she feels bad because she knows what she's doing is wrong. 344 00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.700 And you expand on that a little bit more in the article, but that's 345 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.859 basically the premise and getting into the truth that, like, do you you 346 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.940 do understand what's happening here? You do know that she's about to take the 347 00:26:18.019 --> 00:26:22.609 life of her baby and we're just here to offer help. We're not here 348 00:26:22.769 --> 00:26:26.130 just to make her feel bad. We're here to speak the truth to her, 349 00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.890 and so I might say something like that. You know, I'm not 350 00:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.039 here just to make your feel bad, but if she feels bad, maybe 351 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.559 it's because what she's doing is bad. Yeah, and that's probably the Holy 352 00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.519 Spirit convicting your affect not probably how it's say. Definitely right, that's the 353 00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.309 Holy Spirit convicting her. It's because she knows that she shouldn't do this and 354 00:26:48.789 --> 00:26:52.230 she doesn't have to do this. We're here to offer help. We're here 355 00:26:52.269 --> 00:26:56.069 to offer hope and to say that she doesn't have to do that thing that 356 00:26:56.230 --> 00:27:02.259 she feels bad about. MMM, I've heard you, I've heard many of 357 00:27:02.420 --> 00:27:07.220 our counselors say in response to that question. If she were here having a 358 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:11.380 tooth pulled, do you think there's anything we could say that would make her 359 00:27:11.420 --> 00:27:14.740 feel guilty or bad? Yeah, actually did have someone to say once. 360 00:27:14.819 --> 00:27:18.170 Yes, well, there probably are things I could say that might except but 361 00:27:18.329 --> 00:27:23.410 in general no, you don't feel guilty about getting a tooth pulled because it's 362 00:27:23.450 --> 00:27:26.609 not a moral decision. I don't think. Maybe there are times when it 363 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:30.000 is, but in most cases I don't think having a tooth pull there's generally 364 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:37.279 a moral decision. But this is abortion is a moral decision and with direct 365 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:47.630 consequence to rebellion or obedience to God and and the Bible is clear that shall 366 00:27:47.710 --> 00:27:52.069 not murder and that the unborn is a innocent, sacred life. Yeah, 367 00:27:52.069 --> 00:27:57.470 human life. It should be protected. So it I think it is really 368 00:27:57.549 --> 00:28:04.500 important to be able to confidently answer in that you're at a fine many people 369 00:28:06.140 --> 00:28:11.619 if you can respond gently, kindly but truthfully to that question. You know 370 00:28:11.660 --> 00:28:15.089 you're obviously outifying the MOMS and the dad's or the friends you're at to find 371 00:28:15.130 --> 00:28:19.250 the pro choice. People would they will often speak. They'll often ask this 372 00:28:19.369 --> 00:28:25.369 as well. But we're also out of fine or our fellow believers when because 373 00:28:25.410 --> 00:28:30.839 I think especially new counselors do sometimes think, oh, yeah, I don't 374 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.200 want to make anyone feel bad. Yeah, and yeah, we're so often 375 00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:42.589 can accused of spreading condemnation and wholier than thou says, Righteous, judgmental whatever. 376 00:28:44.109 --> 00:28:45.950 Yeah, I think that comes again in checking the motive of our heart 377 00:28:47.470 --> 00:28:51.150 and the way that we carry ourselves. You know, people can, people 378 00:28:51.269 --> 00:28:56.700 can sense when you're genuine right and even though they might accuse you of you 379 00:28:57.420 --> 00:29:02.420 not being genuine, of having evil motives, they can tell when your motives 380 00:29:02.420 --> 00:29:04.460 are pure. And so we do need to check our hearts before God. 381 00:29:04.619 --> 00:29:10.930 And you know, the reality is our calling to be out there is not 382 00:29:11.170 --> 00:29:15.890 to make women feel bad about their decision. It's to point them to Jesus. 383 00:29:17.009 --> 00:29:18.410 Now, we do know that, in order for people to be like 384 00:29:18.609 --> 00:29:22.890 ourselves right, we didn't come to Jesus until we felt bad for our sin. 385 00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:30.599 So, in a sense, like there is this this this this modern 386 00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.720 Christian notion that the worst possible thing you could ever do is to judge somebody 387 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.029 or to make them feel guilty. But I want to say Biblically, guilt 388 00:29:41.349 --> 00:29:47.309 is not always a bad thing. Right guilt is what leads us to the 389 00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:51.710 one who removes our guilt. The Holy Spirit operates. The Bible says, 390 00:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.700 and just what Jesus said. He says the spirit will come to convict the 391 00:29:55.779 --> 00:30:00.220 World Concerning Sin, righteousness and judgment. Those are heavy words that we don't 392 00:30:00.259 --> 00:30:04.460 like to talk about, Sin and righteousness and judgment, but that's the work 393 00:30:04.539 --> 00:30:08.089 of the Holy Spirit. To those who don't know God, he says he 394 00:30:08.170 --> 00:30:12.730 comes to convict the World Concerning Sin and righteousness and judgment. Those who don't 395 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:18.210 know God, he's going to make them feel guilty about their sin. He's 396 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.759 going to show them that they need righteousness that comes through through Christ and that 397 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.759 there is a judgment to come. So you know, in a sense, 398 00:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.359 we're not out there to judge people, we're not out there to make them 399 00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.160 feel guilty, we're not out there to make them feel bad. But if 400 00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.430 they do, then let's trust that that's the holy spirits work, and that's 401 00:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.670 what I will say. As I just talked about, maybe that's God convicting 402 00:30:41.750 --> 00:30:45.230 you that you know what you're about to do is wrong, and I might 403 00:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.470 identify with that and say I understand that. Listen, God convicted me of 404 00:30:48.670 --> 00:30:52.299 my sin, he convicted me of how I had gone away from him, 405 00:30:52.579 --> 00:30:57.180 away from truth, in order to bring me to himself. So maybe that's 406 00:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.740 what the Lord's doing in your heart. Maybe that's what the Lord's doing in 407 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:03.569 the heart of your friend, because he wants them to come to him and 408 00:31:03.690 --> 00:31:07.529 to put their trust in him. And so I'd know. That's kind of 409 00:31:07.569 --> 00:31:12.769 how I would I would view it and how I would respond. Yeah, 410 00:31:12.970 --> 00:31:18.049 and I agree with all that. I will often say I you know it. 411 00:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.480 I think guilt is a blessing, yeah, from God, when I'm 412 00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.880 doing something that's I'm guilty of. That is how he steers me, me 413 00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:33.309 away from that behavior. So we should, we should listen to that voice 414 00:31:33.349 --> 00:31:38.750 of in our conscience, that guilt. That is how God often tells us, 415 00:31:38.789 --> 00:31:41.910 yeah, you need to turn from this. Yeah, absolutely. And 416 00:31:42.190 --> 00:31:48.420 so guilt, their feeling, is not coming from us, but it probably 417 00:31:48.539 --> 00:31:56.059 is a by product of us speaking truth that reveals the evil that they are 418 00:31:56.180 --> 00:32:00.859 contemplating. Yeah, absolutely. It's not our purpose, it's not our motivation 419 00:32:00.140 --> 00:32:05.970 to make them feel guilt. Our motivation is to speak truth and then guilt 420 00:32:06.609 --> 00:32:13.410 should occur if, if that truth reveals darkness. And said absolutely. Yeah. 421 00:32:15.130 --> 00:32:22.759 Another verse that I think is really important in how we should speak is 422 00:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.240 second Corinthians, nineteen. Have you been thinking all along that we've been defending 423 00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.349 ourselves to you? It is in the side of God that we've been speaking 424 00:32:30.390 --> 00:32:37.309 to Christ and all for your upbuilding, beloved. Why I think that such 425 00:32:37.349 --> 00:32:39.869 an important verse is I think it tells us one of the things we shouldn't 426 00:32:39.869 --> 00:32:45.779 do in our speech, and that is to speak in a defensive mode. 427 00:32:45.819 --> 00:32:50.859 Okay, and what I mean by that because I've heard this that and we've 428 00:32:50.980 --> 00:32:57.940 all done it, where we're under such brutal attack from the pro abortion grewop 429 00:33:00.089 --> 00:33:05.250 that we we know their lies. They're often very personal, and so we 430 00:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.329 spend a lot of our speech out there defending ourselves. Yeah, and I 431 00:33:08.450 --> 00:33:15.960 think that in fact, sometimes more time defending ourselves then speaking the truth that 432 00:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.680 might save that child's life or convict us soul bent on sin. Yeah, 433 00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:27.190 and so I think God is specifically warning us here and in other places about 434 00:33:28.390 --> 00:33:31.470 don't worry about defending yourself. That's not the point. Yeah, God is 435 00:33:31.509 --> 00:33:37.109 our defender first of all, and if we're there, our duty is not 436 00:33:37.910 --> 00:33:44.099 to show that we should be there. Our duty is to speak truth. 437 00:33:44.460 --> 00:33:51.059 Yeah, and and I think we have to be careful about being defensive and 438 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:58.049 wasting precious time trying to defend ourselves as opposed to trying to defend that baby. 439 00:33:58.410 --> 00:34:01.089 We yeah, the truth of God. Yeah, yeah. One thing 440 00:34:01.130 --> 00:34:06.690 I've said and I've learned is that you're never going to be able to satisfy 441 00:34:06.730 --> 00:34:10.880 all of the questions and all of the accusations that proabortion people especially have. 442 00:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.280 But even you know, the friends and boyfriends that come over and just accuse 443 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.679 you. They have no context, really do accuse you. I mean I've 444 00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.360 been accused of you know, you're telling these women that they're murderers, you're 445 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.949 telling these women that their horrors and things like this, and I'm like, 446 00:34:25.750 --> 00:34:30.110 when have I ever said that? I have never said that. Please, 447 00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:32.670 if you can show me a recording of me or anyone on my team ever 448 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.230 saying that. Now I would say that I agree. I've said that abortion 449 00:34:37.309 --> 00:34:42.340 is murder, but I don't just accusatorily yell at women you're a murderer. 450 00:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.260 I don't do that, because I don't think that's helpful. And if they 451 00:34:45.260 --> 00:34:47.500 haven't had the abortion, that it's not true. Right, they're going to 452 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:52.139 be they don't repent. But let's just this is not how we operate. 453 00:34:52.539 --> 00:34:57.210 We don't operate and just yelling out, just accusatory statements. And so I 454 00:34:57.329 --> 00:35:00.809 say that to say that there are people that just want to distract you, 455 00:35:00.849 --> 00:35:05.130 they just want to make you doubt your calling and it's really demonic, to 456 00:35:05.210 --> 00:35:07.119 be honest with you. Right, they're being fueled by the lives of the 457 00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.639 enemy, accusations against you. What is the devil? He's the accuser of 458 00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.440 the brethren and he uses people. The Bible says that his spirit is the 459 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.909 spirits that is at work in unbelievers. Right, the spirit that's at work 460 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:28.630 in unbelievers to accuse us and you know, to accuse us the eve of 461 00:35:28.750 --> 00:35:30.670 evil motives. It's why we need to examine our hearts. The Bible says 462 00:35:30.670 --> 00:35:34.389 if we judge ourselves, will not be judged of God's we need to we 463 00:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.780 need to judge our own hearts and examine our own hearts and once we've done 464 00:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.420 that we can have confidence that we're speaking out of pure motives and the accusations 465 00:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.579 that come and the questions that come about why we're doing what we're doing, 466 00:35:45.699 --> 00:35:49.300 and all those things can fall to the ground. We don't need to defend 467 00:35:49.340 --> 00:35:52.530 ourselves. We don't need to defend God. God can defend himself. Right 468 00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.929 and and just. You let them speak their foolishness and the Bible says you 469 00:35:59.969 --> 00:36:01.849 answer a fool, according to us, folly, and you can become like 470 00:36:01.969 --> 00:36:05.639 him. Right, we don't need to get in the muck and the Mare 471 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.960 of all these these things, like you said, not being listened we belong 472 00:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.719 to the eternal God, the God who made the heavens of the earth. 473 00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.400 We're actually, according to the Bible, we're his sons and daughters. Yeah, 474 00:36:17.710 --> 00:36:21.949 so all the accusations that can come and all that you're this or you're 475 00:36:22.030 --> 00:36:24.230 that kind of stuff, that none of that matters in the light of the 476 00:36:24.269 --> 00:36:29.590 fact that we belong to the Lord and he'll defend us. And it's right 477 00:36:29.590 --> 00:36:32.619 and right, it's it's going to be very clear to these people, if 478 00:36:32.659 --> 00:36:37.420 they don't repent when they stand before God, that what we were doing. 479 00:36:37.539 --> 00:36:38.940 We were doing out of a love for people, on a love for God. 480 00:36:39.420 --> 00:36:44.619 You're just not going to be able to correct everybody's misunderstanding right now, 481 00:36:44.780 --> 00:36:47.289 in time, right, and God will that right and eternity. Yeah, 482 00:36:47.449 --> 00:36:51.570 nor should you. It's it's not what you're out there to do, which 483 00:36:51.570 --> 00:36:55.730 kind of leads to what you said be just a second ago about your motivation. 484 00:36:55.969 --> 00:37:00.409 Is You love them and you want, you're seeking their good, honestly, 485 00:37:00.530 --> 00:37:05.079 and that that's then, the next main point about what our speech should 486 00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.599 be. Our speech should reflect that we are speaking for their good. Yeah, 487 00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:15.869 and so Romans fifteen to let each of us please his neighbor for his 488 00:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.110 good, to build them up again. That build up is that, if 489 00:37:20.190 --> 00:37:23.070 I to Pul them up. So, and I thought this was an interesting 490 00:37:23.150 --> 00:37:27.110 verse because I'd like to hear your take on that. So the first part 491 00:37:27.150 --> 00:37:30.539 of it to please his neighbor. Do you think we're pleasing our neighbor up 492 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:35.500 there when we are, well, I mean at their speech. I mean, 493 00:37:35.539 --> 00:37:37.219 if you think about it, when we're talking to a mom going into 494 00:37:37.260 --> 00:37:42.460 the abortion center, that little baby is our neighbor and she is our neighbor. 495 00:37:42.619 --> 00:37:45.730 Right. So yeah, we're pleasing our neighbor, we're doing good toward 496 00:37:45.809 --> 00:37:51.050 our neighbor and lines in line with proverbs. Thirty one, verses eight nine. 497 00:37:51.090 --> 00:37:52.730 We're open in a mouth for the speechless. Hey, in the cause 498 00:37:52.769 --> 00:37:55.610 of all who are appointed to die. Right, we're speaking on behalf of 499 00:37:55.730 --> 00:38:01.639 our neighbor. Now that mom, who's also our neighbor. She's she's the 500 00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.760 one that's going to go in. Like we've talked about in the past, 501 00:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280 she's the judge. Ultimately, she gets to say whether or not that baby 502 00:38:07.360 --> 00:38:13.909 lives or dies. Unfortunately, in our society, she's also our neighbor, 503 00:38:14.030 --> 00:38:17.750 but she's put herself in a different position. So to edify her, to 504 00:38:17.909 --> 00:38:22.510 bring her up like that definition, to bring her up to where she needs 505 00:38:22.550 --> 00:38:24.670 to be morally, we've got to speak some truth. It's going to sting, 506 00:38:24.869 --> 00:38:29.420 that's going to hurt, but our motivation is for her good. Like 507 00:38:29.579 --> 00:38:34.300 I don't want to speak to her the truth about your her baby and the 508 00:38:34.380 --> 00:38:37.860 resources that are available and what God sees as what she's about to do is 509 00:38:38.059 --> 00:38:43.889 murder, and just kind of give her the information. And you know, 510 00:38:43.969 --> 00:38:45.650 I want to give her that information so that she just feels bad. No, 511 00:38:45.730 --> 00:38:49.809 I want her to, if she is feeling bad, ultimately to come 512 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.610 to Jesus. I want her to turn to the Lord. I want the 513 00:38:52.650 --> 00:38:57.440 highest good for her, which is eternal life. Yeah, as I was 514 00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.159 thinking through that, I was thinking, well, you know, honestly, 515 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.480 do they feel please with a lot of what I say? No, they 516 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.909 don't, not initially, but I will say the ones that choose life overwhelmingly 517 00:39:10.389 --> 00:39:16.110 contact to contact us at some point following that choice and thank us. Yeah, 518 00:39:16.150 --> 00:39:21.670 we're helping to prevent them making the biggest mistake of their life and at 519 00:39:21.710 --> 00:39:27.380 that point they recognize our speech was to please them because really, ultimately the 520 00:39:27.500 --> 00:39:32.340 speech is is to please God. But but that versus saying that that we 521 00:39:32.420 --> 00:39:40.449 are pleasing them for their good, because that really is is the the motivation. 522 00:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.449 It is for their good that we're speaking this truth, because abortion is, 523 00:39:46.090 --> 00:39:51.409 I think you talked in the last podcast about its ugly tentacles. Extend 524 00:39:52.170 --> 00:39:58.519 your ways that really so much beyond the death of an innocent baby that are 525 00:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.599 often not revealed for decades and and it's inner generational and it just affects so 526 00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:10.309 much. So for us to be speaking for their good has to be speaking 527 00:40:10.349 --> 00:40:15.510 the truth that this is wrong. Yeah, yeah, a a terrible choice. 528 00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:22.219 Yeah, because again, if we just speak flowery words and you know, 529 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:27.659 you know abortions your choice and it's not a big deal and we kind 530 00:40:27.699 --> 00:40:30.980 of comfort them in their sin. Are we really edifying? I mean that 531 00:40:31.260 --> 00:40:36.130 in actuality we're tearing them down. Yeah, because we're not giving them the 532 00:40:36.250 --> 00:40:40.170 truth about about their eternal state before the Lord. Yeah, we're saying abruptly 533 00:40:42.010 --> 00:40:46.809 on the definition, we're specifically altering the message to suit someone sensibilities at the 534 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:52.280 time and with no regard to what the Bible actually says or what God has 535 00:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.960 told us to do. Yeah. Yeah, and if it may appear for 536 00:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.360 the moment that we're building them up, like we're making them feel good about 537 00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.349 themselves, in reality it's like building a building with with faulty materials, right, 538 00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.429 thank going to fall. Yeah, because ultimately the Bible's very clear. 539 00:41:10.510 --> 00:41:14.949 We will all stand before God and give an account for what we've done. 540 00:41:15.989 --> 00:41:19.340 And the Bible's very clear again that those who love the truth, that we 541 00:41:19.380 --> 00:41:24.099 should speak the truth and we should confront sin. You know, Effesians is 542 00:41:24.139 --> 00:41:28.900 at five eleven. Have no fellowship with the in fruit of works of darkness. 543 00:41:28.940 --> 00:41:34.130 Rather expose them like that's edifying speech. Actually, we expose through our 544 00:41:34.170 --> 00:41:38.650 speech and that's edifying actually, even though it doesn't feel good to those who 545 00:41:38.650 --> 00:41:44.769 are in darkness, it's still edifying right, because ultimately the goal is to 546 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:47.920 really build them up, not on not with faulty materials, but with real 547 00:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.400 materials of real truth that's actually going to be an edifice, to be a 548 00:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.559 building that cannot be shaken. To the Bible says, they it. He 549 00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.190 will shake everything that can be shaken and these false comforts in these false notions 550 00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:07.269 that God's okay with whatever is. It's a shaky foundation. It's a shaky 551 00:42:07.349 --> 00:42:12.190 building that will fall when when people stand before the Lord, you know one 552 00:42:12.230 --> 00:42:14.590 of them. I think this is our last main point. One of the 553 00:42:15.309 --> 00:42:20.860 dangers, I think of of really being gung home about a a fine, 554 00:42:21.260 --> 00:42:27.940 which we should be. But I've heard it. I've heard many groups and 555 00:42:28.219 --> 00:42:36.690 people say, well, we're justified in righteous anger because Jesus showed certainly showed 556 00:42:36.690 --> 00:42:39.369 righteous anger when he overturned the tables, for example in the temple, and 557 00:42:39.690 --> 00:42:45.079 and some of our other responses. We are justified in that. And and 558 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.320 so there are some some people that will rationalize. In my opinion it's it's 559 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.519 rationalizing. I could be wrong, but the anger level or even the name 560 00:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.630 calling, because you can biblically support that. I mean Jesus did do both. 561 00:43:01.550 --> 00:43:06.949 But is that our goal? And I and I think that we've kind 562 00:43:06.989 --> 00:43:09.949 of shown that that in most of the verses that talk about speech, it 563 00:43:10.510 --> 00:43:16.619 talks about at a fine. One of the verses that to me spoke to 564 00:43:16.780 --> 00:43:25.739 this last main point about being really careful about basically righteous anger and and name 565 00:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.929 calling is First Corinthians ten, twenty three. All things are lawful, but 566 00:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.369 not all things are helpful. All things are lawful, but not all things 567 00:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.409 build up. Again, build up, which is at a FY. So 568 00:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.679 not all things are at afying. We may be allowed to do it, 569 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.960 we could even be biblically justified in doing it, but is it at a 570 00:43:51.079 --> 00:43:59.789 fine? Does it build up? And I have never felt that a show 571 00:43:59.909 --> 00:44:07.389 of great anger, especially if accompanied with name calling, is at a fine 572 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:13.860 to me, it just puts up a wall right away and and I lose 573 00:44:13.980 --> 00:44:21.739 the opportunity for any extended atifying speech. Yeah, so what do you think? 574 00:44:22.019 --> 00:44:25.849 Yeah, I mean absolutely, we've got to operate in such a way 575 00:44:27.329 --> 00:44:32.409 that's truthful but also gracious and even though, again, like the Scripture says, 576 00:44:32.449 --> 00:44:35.769 we can justify it. I mean, after all, Jesus called the 577 00:44:35.809 --> 00:44:39.000 Pharisees Snakes Children, he called them whitewash tunes, and so we maybe he 578 00:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.239 was calling them names. Right. Jesus's motives were always pure right. He 579 00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.159 always did what he heard the father. You always said we'd heard the father 580 00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.110 say. Did what the father commanded him to do. We're not in that 581 00:44:53.269 --> 00:44:59.230 state where we always perfectly hear from God. Jesus knew what to say. 582 00:44:59.230 --> 00:45:00.389 At the moment we don't. We have to do the best we can, 583 00:45:00.989 --> 00:45:06.789 working through what we know, and so our default should always be toward grace 584 00:45:07.300 --> 00:45:10.900 and toward seeking to edify, seeking to build up, seeking to even, 585 00:45:12.219 --> 00:45:15.699 you know, build bridges with people and not to burn them. Right, 586 00:45:16.300 --> 00:45:20.699 and I do think you know. As far as angry is concerned, the 587 00:45:20.739 --> 00:45:22.809 Bible says that the anger of Man Does Not work the righteousness of God. 588 00:45:23.969 --> 00:45:28.050 So we can justify our anger. Listen, if there's ever a place where 589 00:45:28.050 --> 00:45:31.369 we can justify being angry and getting in the flesh is that it's at a 590 00:45:31.369 --> 00:45:35.920 place where they're murdering children for money. Right, that's a place where we 591 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.960 could justify. But we have to remember we're there to honor Jesus and we 592 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.079 don't see the whole picture. We don't see the totality what's going on. 593 00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.679 We have to do the best we can with the information we have and and 594 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.030 yes, speak the truth, but do it in a balanced way where we're 595 00:45:52.150 --> 00:45:55.510 trying to we want to have conversations with the people going in. We don't 596 00:45:55.510 --> 00:45:59.469 want to just write them off. We don't want to just come across as 597 00:46:00.030 --> 00:46:05.260 being judge or whatever. And so, you know, I think again, 598 00:46:05.300 --> 00:46:07.940 I think my charge has been all along. Right, we need to be 599 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:10.619 walking with the Lord, we need to be seeking him, seeking wisdom that 600 00:46:10.659 --> 00:46:14.940 comes from him. There's going to be times where we speak in such a 601 00:46:15.019 --> 00:46:17.380 way where it's going to come across as harsh and we've spoken out of a 602 00:46:17.460 --> 00:46:22.969 pure motive. We can't walk on the eggshells constantly and be concerned constantly about 603 00:46:22.010 --> 00:46:27.010 how what we're saying might be perceived. But we do need to consider that. 604 00:46:27.289 --> 00:46:29.889 I guess it's probably the best I'll say. We need to consider the 605 00:46:29.929 --> 00:46:32.360 way that we're perceived. But if we're speaking the truth and we're doing it 606 00:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.000 consistently with scriptures, we're doing out a pure motive. I think God will 607 00:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.599 honor that for sure. Yeah, yeah, and then and I think to 608 00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.590 wrap up with this scripture, Colossians for six, and in. Guys, 609 00:46:49.670 --> 00:46:51.989 we want to hear what you guys have to say. Some of you been 610 00:46:52.030 --> 00:46:54.909 serving on the sidewalk for a long time. Maybe you can bring some value 611 00:46:54.949 --> 00:47:00.070 to this conversation as we're talking about this kind of that balance and how we 612 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:04.699 edify and how we speak in such a way that imparts grace you to hear. 613 00:47:05.860 --> 00:47:07.059 So We'd love to hear from you, guys. Shoot is over an 614 00:47:07.099 --> 00:47:10.539 email. Daniel Love Life Dot Org, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org, 615 00:47:10.579 --> 00:47:14.980 but I don't read this scripture. That I think is a good one to 616 00:47:15.059 --> 00:47:19.170 end with, and this is the Collossians for six scripture. Let your speech 617 00:47:19.570 --> 00:47:23.929 always be gracious, seasoned with Salt, so that you may know how you 618 00:47:24.130 --> 00:47:30.800 ought to answer each person. HMM. Speech always be gracious, seasoned with 619 00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.400 Salt. So I want to make sure it's season. Will make sure that 620 00:47:36.840 --> 00:47:42.320 what we're saying is out of a pure motive, that what we're saying we 621 00:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.670 actually want people to receive rather than just throw it information out there. And 622 00:47:46.309 --> 00:47:52.710 you know, ultimately the goal is that that Jesus Christ is glorified above all 623 00:47:52.829 --> 00:47:55.429 things, and so just want to give you guys. That encouragement give you, 624 00:47:55.469 --> 00:47:58.510 guys. Is that charge you? We'd love to hear from you, 625 00:47:58.579 --> 00:48:01.780 guys, and hear other subjects, topics that we can cover. I don't 626 00:48:01.780 --> 00:48:05.019 know, Vicky, have anything you want to add just as we wrap this 627 00:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.500 thing up? Just I thought it was interesting. I didn't catch this one. 628 00:48:07.539 --> 00:48:12.300 I was thinking about that first. But seasoned with Salt. Salt was 629 00:48:12.340 --> 00:48:19.130 a preservative and kept things from being corrupted. So I think that's another you 630 00:48:19.250 --> 00:48:22.369 know, call to be be careful that your speech is not corrupted, that 631 00:48:22.449 --> 00:48:28.119 you are speaking without error as best you can, which which means scripture. 632 00:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.039 Go, yeah, go to the Bible. Yeah, absolutely. Amen. 633 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.679 All right, guess with that we'll wrap this podcast up. We appreciate you 634 00:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.599 guys listening and until next time. God, bless God, bless y'all. 635 00:48:44.190 --> 00:48:57.059 Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I 636 00:48:57.420 --> 00:49:06.780 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you