You’re Making Me Feel Bad

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. S and me,200:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.349Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the300:00:11.429 --> 00:00:17.309Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, apodcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge400:00:17.350 --> 00:00:20.910you in pro life ministry, andalways with a focus on the Gospel.500:00:21.109 --> 00:00:32.060Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me.600:00:34.939 --> 00:00:39.130Welcome back to the Gospel Center prolife podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us700:00:39.729 --> 00:00:46.329and we're here recording. We're actuallyI'm here, Vicki's there. From her800:00:46.369 --> 00:00:49.729perspective, I'm there and she's hereand here you're there. Yeah, I900:00:49.969 --> 00:00:55.439was here first. I've really yes, yes, you were recording remotely and1000:00:55.679 --> 00:00:59.079so, as in the past coupleof episodes, we've kind of given you1100:00:59.119 --> 00:01:02.799guys that as claimer. If youhear some weird wonky things going on,1200:01:02.920 --> 00:01:06.469we're doing the best we can torecord in good quality, but there can1300:01:06.510 --> 00:01:10.670be some things that happen from Imean all the way from the West Coast1400:01:10.670 --> 00:01:14.349to the east coast, through thewires and all that stuff. You know,1500:01:14.469 --> 00:01:18.150demons like to get in there andstir up trouble and and things get1600:01:18.189 --> 00:01:22.019cut out and you know all ofthat. So doing the best we can1700:01:22.099 --> 00:01:26.620to give you guys a highest quatity, call quality listening experience that we can.1800:01:26.819 --> 00:01:30.459But the most important thing thing isthat we speak the truth, and1900:01:30.540 --> 00:01:34.730so we're going to be coming,as always, from a biblical perspective and2000:01:36.329 --> 00:01:42.209speaking from experiences on the sidewalk,stuff that we have encountered ourselves and just2100:01:42.370 --> 00:01:45.409want to equip you, guess.And so, as you know, if2200:01:45.409 --> 00:01:49.480you've been listened to this podcast orany length of time, we're we're speaking2300:01:49.640 --> 00:01:56.040from our experiences or questions that otherpeople have asked us, things that just2400:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.200kind of pop up in conversations.Hey, this will be a good podcast2500:01:59.280 --> 00:02:02.269to cover. And this is.This is in that same vein, and2600:02:02.430 --> 00:02:06.989so we're what are we going tobe talking about today, Vicky? Well,2700:02:07.150 --> 00:02:12.550we hear this all the time frompro abortion people, from the MOMS,2800:02:12.629 --> 00:02:16.620from support people. They'll say,why are you making them feel bad?2900:02:16.860 --> 00:02:21.780Yeah, don't you see, you'remaking them cry, and they tell3000:02:21.780 --> 00:02:24.500us that therefore, we should bequiet because we're causing grief. Yeah,3100:02:24.580 --> 00:02:30.650we're causing guilt, shame, whatever. So we thought it would be a3200:02:30.729 --> 00:02:35.849really good idea to talk through that, because it's easy for us to fall3300:02:36.009 --> 00:02:39.370prey to what we're accused of.Yeah, and to believe it. And3400:02:39.889 --> 00:02:44.050I think it's really important, asalways, to go to the Bible.3500:02:44.639 --> 00:02:49.000The Bible is such a great guidein and it has a lot to say3600:02:49.039 --> 00:02:54.199about what our speech should be.Yeah, what it what it should convey,3700:02:54.360 --> 00:03:00.189and even how we should speak.So that's what we did with this3800:03:00.509 --> 00:03:04.430this podcast. The kind of theworking title is how we're how should we3900:03:04.509 --> 00:03:07.990respond to women who say they aremaking us feel bad? Yeah, and4000:03:07.270 --> 00:03:13.180so we've examined that from a biblicalstandpoint. Yeah, yeah, I mean,4100:03:13.300 --> 00:03:16.740certainly we hear a lot of things, a lot of objections to our4200:03:16.860 --> 00:03:20.659presence out there on the sidewalk.One of them is, of course,4300:03:20.699 --> 00:03:23.020you're making them feel bad. You. A lot of times it's a dad4400:03:23.580 --> 00:03:27.139who will come out and say you'remaking my girlfriend feel bad. I mean,4500:03:27.139 --> 00:03:29.490I've even been threatened that, youknow, if you don't stop talking4600:03:29.530 --> 00:03:31.610to my girlfriend and while wife,then I'm going to punch your lights out4700:03:31.650 --> 00:03:36.090because you're making me feel bad.There's a lot of other things that we4800:03:36.210 --> 00:03:39.129hear that you know, you're judging. Why are you judging? Why are4900:03:39.169 --> 00:03:43.400you guys out here trying to makeyourselves look righteous. You know, it's5000:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.840like you get all these accusations andso you just of course, gas be5100:03:47.000 --> 00:03:51.639prepared that people are going to accuseyou of all kinds of things and know5200:03:51.840 --> 00:03:55.789ultimately, what the source is.The source is the flesh and the devil.5300:03:55.830 --> 00:03:59.550Right, it's the devil trying todiscourage you. It's people in their5400:03:59.629 --> 00:04:04.229flesh trying to defend themselves and tryingto make really an apologetic for why you5500:04:04.270 --> 00:04:08.509shouldn't be out there, but it'sokay for them to be there to kill5600:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.740their child. And so we can'tlet these things shake us. But we5700:04:12.860 --> 00:04:16.060do need to consider what people aresaying and because we want to reach them,5800:04:16.100 --> 00:04:19.019we don't want to just say well, you're concerned, doesn't matter,5900:04:19.459 --> 00:04:24.689and just ignore them when they sayyou're making me feel bad. I think6000:04:24.689 --> 00:04:28.649there's good ways to respond, healthyways to respond. I think one of6100:04:28.689 --> 00:04:32.089the things that we've all always saidall along is that we want to identify6200:04:32.170 --> 00:04:35.370with people's pain. We want tohave compassion, you know, we want6300:04:35.370 --> 00:04:40.360to suffer with them and if theyfeel bad, we know it's because their6400:04:40.399 --> 00:04:44.319conscience is what's bothering them. Ultimately, they feel bad because they know what6500:04:44.399 --> 00:04:47.399they're doing is wrong. But there'sa way for us to identify with their6600:04:47.439 --> 00:04:51.360pain and to kind of enter intotheir struggle with them without just saying well,6700:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.629you know it, because you canrespond you're feeling bad because what you're6800:04:56.629 --> 00:04:59.790doing is wrong. I think thatcould be a chetive said. It may6900:04:59.790 --> 00:05:01.430not be the most helpful, butI have said that before. Yeah,7000:05:01.550 --> 00:05:04.269but you know, I think again, like we've said often times, your7100:05:04.350 --> 00:05:08.459tone can can mean a lot.You can say that and I think that7200:05:08.660 --> 00:05:14.579it's appropriate to say that, butkind of an accusatory tone is not going7300:05:14.620 --> 00:05:17.379to be helpful. You know,you feel bad because you should feel bad7400:05:17.379 --> 00:05:21.329because you're about to kill your baby. You can say that more calmly like7500:05:21.769 --> 00:05:26.850you could ask the question. Sowhy do you think what I'm saying makes7600:05:26.889 --> 00:05:30.730you feel bad? Is it becausewhat I'm saying bothers your conscience? Is7700:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.370it? Is it possible? Thisis the question I would ask. Is7800:05:33.449 --> 00:05:38.759it possible that you feel bad becauseyou know God would never want you to7900:05:38.800 --> 00:05:42.839do what you're about to do?Is that possible? You know it is.8000:05:42.920 --> 00:05:47.959So. So I guess the thevery first thought when we're encountering anyone8100:05:48.040 --> 00:05:54.550questioning how we're speaking to them aswell, what? What is the overarching8200:05:54.910 --> 00:05:59.310biblical principle of our speech? What? What should our speech be? And8300:05:59.389 --> 00:06:03.149I I did research that, youknow, from a biblical standpoint and I8400:06:03.230 --> 00:06:08.620would say if I had to chooseone word for our speech, it should8500:06:08.620 --> 00:06:11.660be at a fine. Yeah,it should be at a fine. And8600:06:12.019 --> 00:06:17.060and so I did a word searchthen of of versus in the Bible,8700:06:17.180 --> 00:06:21.329of which there's Zillions, that talkabout at a fine or the word at8800:06:21.410 --> 00:06:25.689a fire, at a fine orare in those verses and we go through8900:06:25.769 --> 00:06:29.329some of them in an article.Yea, we will include with this.9000:06:30.209 --> 00:06:33.759But the first thing I did wasthat's a word that that we hear all9100:06:33.800 --> 00:06:36.720the time at a fine, becauseit's throughout the Bible. That is what9200:06:36.879 --> 00:06:41.160our speech is to be. SoI looked up, well, what does9300:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.149that mean, literally in the inthe dictionary, and it was pretty interesting.9400:06:47.350 --> 00:06:50.790So I wrote it down. Atthis was from the Oxford Dictionary.9500:06:50.829 --> 00:06:55.670I think that is a well respecteddictionary. Sure, I don't really know.9600:06:55.750 --> 00:06:58.470I don't think it's as great aswebster's dictionary, but it'll do.9700:06:58.589 --> 00:07:00.779Yeah, okay. Well, whatcame up on the Internet was oxen.9800:07:00.819 --> 00:07:10.100All right. So, so ata fine originates from middle English and it's9900:07:10.139 --> 00:07:12.980from the Latin and I won't saythe word. It's too hard. I10000:07:13.060 --> 00:07:18.410can't even figure out how to sayit. But build or to make like10100:07:18.610 --> 00:07:21.529an edifice, to build an edificeof a building. Yeah, and the10200:07:21.649 --> 00:07:29.329word originally meant to construct a building. It also means to strengthen. And10300:07:29.769 --> 00:07:36.920so the the meaning of those partsput together means to build up morally,10400:07:38.639 --> 00:07:47.310and how Oxford defined edifying was toinstruct or improve someone morally or intellectually.10500:07:47.509 --> 00:07:55.389So at to edify someone we areliterally building them up, we're and we're10600:07:55.550 --> 00:08:03.579improving or instructing morally. Yeah.So so that, I think is a10700:08:03.620 --> 00:08:07.980good beginning place. And of courseOxford is not the Bible, right,10800:08:09.139 --> 00:08:13.889and and so there we would ofcourse want to use our edifying speech as10900:08:15.009 --> 00:08:18.449the Bible defines, yeah, whatthat speech should be. And so so11000:08:18.290 --> 00:08:24.930that's where I went through a wholebunch of different verses where the word edifyinge11100:08:24.089 --> 00:08:31.559is used and and wanted to besure that we understood what the Bible says,11200:08:31.600 --> 00:08:37.759yea, about how we should bespeaking. So the first one is11300:08:37.799 --> 00:08:45.149Effesians for twenty nine. Okay,okay, and that says let no corrupting11400:08:45.190 --> 00:08:50.669talk come out of your mouths,but only such as is good for building11500:08:50.789 --> 00:08:54.629up. Remember, building up ismeans that define. Yeah, as fits11600:08:54.740 --> 00:09:01.539the occasion, that it may givegrace to the those who hear. Yeah,11700:09:01.539 --> 00:09:05.659okay, so it that gives aa bunch of clues, if in11800:09:05.019 --> 00:09:09.100in what our speech should be.If, if we if we break that11900:09:09.740 --> 00:09:13.850that down? Yeah, yeah,you know, want to pipe in real12000:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.970quick because as we talk about edifying, to me the word to edify of12100:09:20.090 --> 00:09:22.970course means to build up, andI think that word has been applied,12200:09:22.009 --> 00:09:26.600at least in the Christian circles,as we're to edify each other, right,12300:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639we're to build one another up asfellow believers, and that's certainly true.12400:09:31.799 --> 00:09:33.399Right, we need to build oneanother up, we need to edify12500:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.559one another. You know, itsays, I think it's in First Corinthians12600:09:37.600 --> 00:09:41.830Chapter Twelve and maybe First Corinthians chapterfourteen, where Paul's talking about the gifts12700:09:41.830 --> 00:09:45.070of the spirit and the use ofthe gifts of the spirit in the church12800:09:45.470 --> 00:09:48.669should be to edify others, notjust to edify yourself. So there's certainly12900:09:48.710 --> 00:09:52.509the context for that, right,that we need to edify each other and13000:09:52.629 --> 00:09:56.259listen, we're on the sidewalk.Let's build each other up right, let's13100:09:56.259 --> 00:10:00.100let's edify one another, let's speakwords are going to encourage each other.13200:10:00.139 --> 00:10:05.899But this word edification or edify doesn'tjust speak to encouraging, but it also13300:10:05.899 --> 00:10:11.289speaks to like bringing people up towhere they need to be morally. As13400:10:11.370 --> 00:10:16.529you said in that that definition,that sometimes edifying words can sting a little13500:10:16.570 --> 00:10:20.970bit. Right. I mean,if anyone was was an edifier, it13600:10:20.129 --> 00:10:26.240was the Lord Jesus, right inhis desire to edify the Pharisees. He13700:10:26.320 --> 00:10:31.320confronts them, right, he confrontsthem in their departure from the truth and13800:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.950all of that. The goal is, though, not to tear down but13900:10:35.070 --> 00:10:41.070to edify. But of course weknow sometimes in order to build up there's14000:10:41.070 --> 00:10:43.590got to be pride has got tobe torn down. So if you edify14100:10:43.830 --> 00:10:50.539somebody, sometimes what you're doing istearing down their pride. But in this14200:10:50.659 --> 00:10:54.100scripture where it talks about in VerseTwenty Nine of Ephesians Chapter for that we14300:10:54.179 --> 00:10:58.220want to impart grace, or speakin such a way that imparts grace to14400:10:58.259 --> 00:11:01.980the here that we don't don't wantto just give information, but we want14500:11:01.980 --> 00:11:05.009to speak in such a way that, yes, we might be tearing some14600:11:05.210 --> 00:11:09.009things down, tearing down some lies, to bring these women or these men14700:11:09.049 --> 00:11:13.409up morally to where they need tobe, to edify them morally, but14800:11:13.769 --> 00:11:18.570we want to speak in such away that there's grace in it. Right,14900:11:18.639 --> 00:11:22.279and then this mean we're Nice,but it means there's empowerment. The15000:11:22.360 --> 00:11:26.480word grace speaks to not just kindof like we think this this idea of15100:11:28.480 --> 00:11:33.909we're gracious or whatever. So we'reNice, but that biblical word, the15200:11:33.990 --> 00:11:37.190word caress, I believe is theGreek word there, speaks of empowerment.15300:11:37.309 --> 00:11:39.950And so we can speak in sucha way where there's an empowerment in the15400:11:41.029 --> 00:11:43.830words, and the words could maybeperceived to be tearing down, but the15500:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.340goal is actually to edify, tobuild up and to empower these men and15600:11:48.419 --> 00:11:52.299women to do the right thing,right morally, to make good choices.15700:11:52.899 --> 00:11:58.500Yeah, what I was thinking ofwhen when I first read the definition where15800:11:58.539 --> 00:12:01.970the word are only at if Iis to construct a building. I was15900:12:01.049 --> 00:12:07.129thinking about that. What makes abuilding well constructed and strong and absolutely the16000:12:07.529 --> 00:12:13.889first thing that must be there isa stable and firm foundation. Yeah,16100:12:13.129 --> 00:12:18.200and so if we're going to edify. I think similarly, the foundation of16200:12:18.240 --> 00:12:24.080our speech must be firm and stableand it therefore it must be biblical.16300:12:24.120 --> 00:12:28.840Yeah, it must be based onBiblical truth. And when you find the16400:12:28.960 --> 00:12:37.629MOMS and dad's at the abortion centercountering us, they their truths are not16500:12:37.950 --> 00:12:46.340biblical all they're they're often very selfish, self motivated and corrupted, and that16600:12:46.419 --> 00:12:50.700effesions for twenty nine tells us thatwhere we, on the other hand,16700:12:50.940 --> 00:12:54.980are to not let corrupting talk comeout of our mouth, we are not16800:12:54.220 --> 00:12:58.970to have corrupt speech. And soI looked up corrupt because because I thought,16900:12:58.970 --> 00:13:03.129okay, what does that mean?To have corrupt speech? And the17000:13:03.210 --> 00:13:09.169verb corrupt means to change your debaseby making errors or unintentional alterations, probably17100:13:09.330 --> 00:13:13.480intentional as well. So, inother words, your speech is corrupt if17200:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480you're not speaking truth, if you'realtering the truth to suit the hearer,17300:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.039and and we can't do that.That's what they're asking us to do.17400:13:26.080 --> 00:13:35.990They're asking us don't feel bad,be silent and what you're speaking is is17500:13:35.070 --> 00:13:41.190just to make yourself look good orwhatever, when indeed we are speaking what17600:13:41.350 --> 00:13:45.460the Bible not only commands us tospeak, but what the Bible does.17700:13:46.059 --> 00:13:48.779YEA, Hey, yeah, aboutwhat's happening there. Yeah, absolutely.17800:13:48.899 --> 00:13:52.340And this is where, you know, from our perspective, as those who17900:13:52.379 --> 00:13:56.090want to speak the truth, arethose who are called to speak the truth,18000:13:56.370 --> 00:13:58.809where we need to really examine themotive of our hearts is there can18100:13:58.889 --> 00:14:03.169be a sense in which, andyou know, I think we can all18200:14:03.490 --> 00:14:09.129battle with this, where we cantear other people down in order to build18300:14:09.129 --> 00:14:11.720ourselves up. So, you know, for example, we see these women18400:14:11.759 --> 00:14:13.720going into the abortion centers and inour hearts, in our minds, we18500:14:13.799 --> 00:14:18.919can think how horrible they are andwe would never be like them, when18600:14:20.039 --> 00:14:22.919in reality, what we're doing iswe're tearing them down, we're bringing them18700:14:22.960 --> 00:14:26.590down to a lower level than ourselvesand make ourselves feel good because maybe we18800:14:26.710 --> 00:14:30.269have our own struggles and things likethat. We've got to make sure that18900:14:30.350 --> 00:14:33.269we're coming from a proper motive,that we actually yes, we're going to19000:14:33.309 --> 00:14:35.629speak truth and yes, we're goingto view things properly. These women that19100:14:35.710 --> 00:14:39.259are going into the abortion centers,they're bound in sin there, in rebellion19200:14:39.340 --> 00:14:43.779to God, but so were weat one point. We need to put19300:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.860ourselves in in in the proper placethat we, except for the mercy,19400:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.259in the grace of God, wewould be right where they are in reality,19500:14:52.460 --> 00:14:54.809right so that we can speak fromsuch a way that imparts grace to19600:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.730the here and we're not just comingacross. I guess my main point with19700:14:58.009 --> 00:15:01.850this is when we speak to thesewomen, to these men, we don't19800:15:01.850 --> 00:15:07.360want to becoming across as accusatory orlike somehow we're better than them. Now19900:15:07.440 --> 00:15:11.360we're accused of that. You thinkyou're better than me, you think you're20000:15:11.399 --> 00:15:13.960better than these people, you thinkyou're better than you know, the women20100:15:13.960 --> 00:15:18.799are the men that have abortions.I don't actually I know my own heart,20200:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.389apart from Christ, and I'm farworse right. So I don't think20300:15:22.389 --> 00:15:24.950that at all. We're accused ofthat, but we want to make sure20400:15:24.990 --> 00:15:30.870we're not coming across and coming witha motive that lines up with that that20500:15:31.110 --> 00:15:35.820we do think we man. Weshould never think that we're better than the20600:15:35.980 --> 00:15:41.100people who are living in rebellion thatGod, because we at one time we're20700:15:41.179 --> 00:15:45.779living in rebellion to God. Yeah, so motivation and tone are both really,20800:15:46.059 --> 00:15:50.210really critical. One of the thingsthat is always in my heart.20900:15:50.250 --> 00:15:56.970Well, I guess not always becauseI'm not in glory yet. But but21000:15:56.330 --> 00:16:00.529is am I obeying God? Yeah, and and what I'm about to say21100:16:00.570 --> 00:16:08.360or do, and and certainly Imean a great verse that talks about one21200:16:08.399 --> 00:16:15.840of the reasons we should speak isEzekiel, three, eighteen, nineteen,21300:16:15.840 --> 00:16:19.190and that first says, if Isay to the wicked, you will surely21400:16:19.230 --> 00:16:22.350die. This is God, Iguess, speaking. Ye, if I21500:16:22.429 --> 00:16:26.669say to the wicked, you shallsurely die and you give him no warning,21600:16:26.309 --> 00:16:30.149nor speak to warn the wicked fromhis wicked way in order to save21700:16:30.350 --> 00:16:37.419his life, that wicked person shalldie for his iniquity, but his blood21800:16:37.700 --> 00:16:42.139I will require at your hand.But if you warn the wicked and he21900:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.700does not turn from his weakness orfrom his wicked way, he shall die22000:16:45.820 --> 00:16:49.970for his iniquity, but you willhave delivered your soul. So that almost22100:16:49.970 --> 00:16:52.570sounds selfish, that I'm just lookingout for myself, and I'm not.22200:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.490I'm not looking at that part ofit. I'm looking at where, where22300:16:56.570 --> 00:17:00.970God is saying, if you knowthe truth and you know they're on a22400:17:00.009 --> 00:17:03.920path of wicked rebellion, and wherethat leads? That leads to hell.22500:17:03.960 --> 00:17:12.559Yeah, it is not loving,nor is it really biblically allowed for us22600:17:12.599 --> 00:17:17.950to be silent, right, weare to speak. Yeah, absolutely.22700:17:18.029 --> 00:17:22.349Yeah. So part of that thatverse that I also was thinking about in22800:17:22.430 --> 00:17:29.470the effusions for twenty nine is whereit says as fits the occasion. Yeah,22900:17:30.420 --> 00:17:34.180so we're to speak as fits theoccasion, and I was thinking maybe23000:17:34.259 --> 00:17:37.940here's some thoughts on that. Mythought was, well, the occasion is23100:17:37.019 --> 00:17:41.660a baby's about to be killed,yeah, by her own parents. Yeah,23200:17:41.819 --> 00:17:45.529absolutely. Yeah. And of course, again, the occasion is that23300:17:45.690 --> 00:17:48.569we're standing in front of a placeof darkness, in a place of death,23400:17:48.650 --> 00:17:52.369but also, again, the realitythat these are these are broken and23500:17:52.490 --> 00:17:57.529hurting people. They've been deceived bythe devil to do something that no mother23600:17:59.920 --> 00:18:03.279whatever in her right mind want todo. Their under a spirit of fear.23700:18:03.519 --> 00:18:04.920They've been gripped by fear, fearof what's going to happen in the23800:18:04.960 --> 00:18:08.279future. So that's the occasion aswell. Like we need to take in23900:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.839the totality of the picture. Yes, like I said earlier, they're in24000:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.549rebellion to God, a babies aboutto die. As you said, it's24100:18:15.549 --> 00:18:19.349a place of darkness, in aplace of death, but these women,24200:18:19.430 --> 00:18:26.309these men are bound by sin.You know in just like there's a balance24300:18:26.349 --> 00:18:29.500here with this right. People areresponsible for their sin. So they don't24400:18:29.500 --> 00:18:33.420give people a free pass on rebellionand Sin Against God. But we do24500:18:33.539 --> 00:18:37.579need to understand too, that thesepeople are blinded. The Bible says,24600:18:37.660 --> 00:18:41.569the God of this age has blindin their eyes. Right, they're under24700:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.089a spirit of delusion, they're believinga lie, as we had at one24800:18:45.170 --> 00:18:48.170point. So we need to takein the totality of the picture and I24900:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049think that's why there's this hopefully,what you're getting from me, guys,25000:18:52.089 --> 00:18:57.039is there's this tightrope walk of walkingin the spirit and speaking, yes,25100:18:57.319 --> 00:19:00.480with truth, because we're supposed to. We have to speak the truth,25200:19:02.079 --> 00:19:07.160but also with with kindness, withgentleness, as the Bible says. So25300:19:07.359 --> 00:19:12.109can you speak harsh truths like you'reabout to murder your child and do that25400:19:12.269 --> 00:19:17.869in a loving way? Absolutely,absolutely you can. The Bible says that25500:19:18.029 --> 00:19:22.470we can and that we should.But we ourselves need to be checking our25600:19:22.509 --> 00:19:26.099own hearts. And if you wantto do this, what I'm talking about,25700:19:26.019 --> 00:19:32.619and thrive in its speak with truthand with grace, some might say.25800:19:33.180 --> 00:19:36.619You've got to be walking with theLord. You've got to have your25900:19:36.660 --> 00:19:38.890heart before God. You've got tobe in the scriptures, because it's a26000:19:40.009 --> 00:19:42.210difficult balance. We can get wecan get off balance one way or the26100:19:42.289 --> 00:19:48.410other where you know, it's it'sall truth and no grace. Are All26200:19:48.529 --> 00:19:52.410grace and no truth, and sowe don't want to be an all truth26300:19:52.529 --> 00:19:55.400where you're just a bully and you'rejust beating people up with your words,26400:19:55.680 --> 00:19:59.440and you don't want to be allgrace where all you're talking about is how26500:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.880much God loves people. Right.Yeah, there's that balance there and it26600:20:03.000 --> 00:20:06.920takes us being in the scriptures,walking with God and each you know,26700:20:07.309 --> 00:20:11.589each other holding each other accountable onthe sidewalk there. That's that's important in26800:20:11.829 --> 00:20:15.269this in this conversation, that weencourage each other, that we can edify26900:20:15.349 --> 00:20:19.950each other by sometimes bringing some correction. I mean, I've been corrected before27000:20:21.579 --> 00:20:23.700where I've gotten a little too inthe flesh or whatever, got a little27100:20:23.700 --> 00:20:29.099too angry at maybe a man that'scome over and gotten in my face and27200:20:29.180 --> 00:20:30.900he's cussing me out and I wantto, you know, just kind of27300:20:30.980 --> 00:20:34.809stick my finger back in his face. So I've been corrected on that level27400:20:36.329 --> 00:20:40.089and I've corrected people on that leveland that's that's most of the time when27500:20:40.130 --> 00:20:41.410we get off the rails, aswhen we start to get angry and started27600:20:41.410 --> 00:20:45.250getting in the flesh and get inyou know, out of balance as far27700:20:45.289 --> 00:20:48.769as just hammering people with the truth. So, you know, for us27800:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.400as believers in Jesus and as fellowsidewalk counselors, we need to hold each27900:20:55.400 --> 00:20:59.799other kind of wing edify each otherand bring corrective words sometimes. Yeah,28000:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.920and I don't know if you werereading ahead, but that's our next point28100:21:03.119 --> 00:21:07.549in a and a really good point. It brought up a couple things that28200:21:07.670 --> 00:21:10.390I didn't mention in the article butthat I was thinking as you were speaking.28300:21:10.470 --> 00:21:14.910One of them the next, thenext main thing that our speech needs28400:21:15.029 --> 00:21:18.259to be is should equip others thework of ministry, and that's exactly what28500:21:18.500 --> 00:21:22.859you were talking about. But somethingthat occurred to me as you were speaking28600:21:22.900 --> 00:21:27.460about that Balance Between Truth and graceis God knows what he's doing. It's28700:21:27.619 --> 00:21:33.769so often what I have found inthe team's is that there is someone that28800:21:33.849 --> 00:21:38.769maybe is more suited for speaking thoseharsh truths and someone else who balances that28900:21:40.769 --> 00:21:47.880with maybe some more of that graceand love and gentle compassionate side so that29000:21:48.000 --> 00:21:53.759the team really becomes like a unifiedbody. Yeah, speaking towards those women29100:21:53.799 --> 00:21:59.200and and and we help each otherin that manner. That that we have29200:21:59.319 --> 00:22:04.430different gifts. I do think everyone of US needs to try and find29300:22:04.470 --> 00:22:07.670that balance that you talked about.But I do know, like if I29400:22:07.710 --> 00:22:11.670were as I think about my teammembers, there are some that I would29500:22:11.750 --> 00:22:15.259probably characterize as more when hard truthsneed to be spoken, that's person I29600:22:15.819 --> 00:22:19.460I really hope will speak up.And when there's someone may be broken and29700:22:19.579 --> 00:22:23.859needs a little bit more of agentle, compassion grace filled approach, there29800:22:23.900 --> 00:22:29.619are some that are really really justsuited for for that. Yeah, but29900:22:30.569 --> 00:22:33.609one of the the verse that Ifound that speaks of that as Effesians for30000:22:33.849 --> 00:22:38.690seventeen. I'm sure there's many others, but that our speech should equip the30100:22:38.849 --> 00:22:45.240saints for the work of Ministry,for building up the body of Christ.30200:22:45.079 --> 00:22:51.440And so I was thinking, okay, does that apply to when we're standing30300:22:51.839 --> 00:22:56.079in front of an abortion center?And there were a few things I thought30400:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.480if I'm sure you'll have some otherthoughts, Daniel, but one of them30500:22:59.470 --> 00:23:06.230was that if one of US standsboldly for truth, speaking truth, it30600:23:06.390 --> 00:23:14.019has an encouraging effect on everyone.Yeah, there, and it I just30700:23:14.579 --> 00:23:18.980just as the same as true fromthe perspective of the mom's going into that30800:23:18.059 --> 00:23:22.380abortion center. If they're and we'veseen this happen sometimes, where one will30900:23:22.420 --> 00:23:25.700stand up boldly saying hey, thisis wrong and I'm leaving, and others31000:23:25.740 --> 00:23:32.970will follow. Yeah. So whenwhen we stand boldly and speak truth,31100:23:33.690 --> 00:23:41.410it edifies our fellow counselors in thatit gives them the courage to to do31200:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.960the same. Yeah. Absolute.Yeah, I mean it's just a common31300:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.359human reality. Others are standing boldly, it gives us the ability to stand31400:23:55.400 --> 00:23:59.549boldly because we say we're not alonein this thing. Right. So,31500:23:59.750 --> 00:24:03.869in in contrast, let's say thatsomeone ask that question, why are you31600:24:04.109 --> 00:24:11.619making me feel bad, and ourcounselor whoever is responding to that question says,31700:24:11.660 --> 00:24:12.740Oh, I'm sorry, I don'twant to, I don't want to31800:24:12.740 --> 00:24:17.420make you feel bad, right.Yeah. Well, what that does?31900:24:17.539 --> 00:24:22.220That equip and edify the church?No, because it's not biblical. Yeah,32000:24:22.259 --> 00:24:26.369we, we. So we needto know how to answer that question.32100:24:26.970 --> 00:24:30.769We do need a response to thatquestion and I think the question,32200:24:32.170 --> 00:24:34.049as we answer it. Not onlyare we helping that mom, that dad,32300:24:34.089 --> 00:24:37.920whoever is, is saying hey,you're making me feel bad, but32400:24:38.799 --> 00:24:47.079we're reminding the church they have arole here to speak truth, speak it32500:24:47.160 --> 00:24:52.000graciously, speak it in love,but don't shy away from the fact that32600:24:52.119 --> 00:24:56.750that's what we are called to do. So when we respond well to that32700:24:56.829 --> 00:25:03.230question, I think we do indeededify our fellow believers and and help to32800:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.740build up the body of Christ.Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.32900:25:07.779 --> 00:25:12.220Well, I mean we're we're notcalled to have every answer to every question33000:25:12.259 --> 00:25:15.980right. Well, we are calledto be ready to give a defense for33100:25:17.019 --> 00:25:19.700the hope that's in us. Right, and I think that can include when33200:25:19.740 --> 00:25:23.769we're speaking the truth in this context, where when somebody challenges us, we33300:25:23.849 --> 00:25:27.170can give a proper response. Andwhat is the proper response? I think33400:25:27.250 --> 00:25:30.609the proper response is kind of whatwe talked about earlier. And again,33500:25:30.690 --> 00:25:34.250tone can matter a whole lot,but I believe what you've got written here.33600:25:34.329 --> 00:25:37.319You know, when someone comes out, and a lot of times it's33700:25:37.359 --> 00:25:40.240the man or it's a friend orsomething like that. It's very rarely the33800:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.599mom that comes out and says you'remaking me feel bad. It's normally a33900:25:42.720 --> 00:25:45.599friend or, you know, theboyfriend or something like that. You're making34000:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.470me feel that often apparent of theteam. I heard a lot when it's34100:25:49.470 --> 00:25:55.670a mom or dad protecting they feelthey're protecting their their teenager. Yeah.34200:25:56.990 --> 00:25:59.910So, yeah, the response,I think, is again with the proper34300:26:00.029 --> 00:26:04.059tone. Maybe she feels bad becauseshe knows what she's doing is wrong.34400:26:04.259 --> 00:26:07.700And you expand on that a littlebit more in the article, but that's34500:26:07.859 --> 00:26:11.859basically the premise and getting into thetruth that, like, do you you34600:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.940do understand what's happening here? Youdo know that she's about to take the34700:26:18.019 --> 00:26:22.609life of her baby and we're justhere to offer help. We're not here34800:26:22.769 --> 00:26:26.130just to make her feel bad.We're here to speak the truth to her,34900:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.890and so I might say something likethat. You know, I'm not35000:26:30.049 --> 00:26:33.039here just to make your feel bad, but if she feels bad, maybe35100:26:33.279 --> 00:26:38.559it's because what she's doing is bad. Yeah, and that's probably the Holy35200:26:38.680 --> 00:26:44.519Spirit convicting your affect not probably howit's say. Definitely right, that's the35300:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.309Holy Spirit convicting her. It's becauseshe knows that she shouldn't do this and35400:26:48.789 --> 00:26:52.230she doesn't have to do this.We're here to offer help. We're here35500:26:52.269 --> 00:26:56.069to offer hope and to say thatshe doesn't have to do that thing that35600:26:56.230 --> 00:27:02.259she feels bad about. MMM,I've heard you, I've heard many of35700:27:02.420 --> 00:27:07.220our counselors say in response to thatquestion. If she were here having a35800:27:07.299 --> 00:27:11.380tooth pulled, do you think there'sanything we could say that would make her35900:27:11.420 --> 00:27:14.740feel guilty or bad? Yeah,actually did have someone to say once.36000:27:14.819 --> 00:27:18.170Yes, well, there probably arethings I could say that might except but36100:27:18.329 --> 00:27:23.410in general no, you don't feelguilty about getting a tooth pulled because it's36200:27:23.450 --> 00:27:26.609not a moral decision. I don'tthink. Maybe there are times when it36300:27:26.769 --> 00:27:30.000is, but in most cases Idon't think having a tooth pull there's generally36400:27:30.000 --> 00:27:37.279a moral decision. But this isabortion is a moral decision and with direct36500:27:37.440 --> 00:27:47.630consequence to rebellion or obedience to Godand and the Bible is clear that shall36600:27:47.710 --> 00:27:52.069not murder and that the unborn isa innocent, sacred life. Yeah,36700:27:52.069 --> 00:27:57.470human life. It should be protected. So it I think it is really36800:27:57.549 --> 00:28:04.500important to be able to confidently answerin that you're at a fine many people36900:28:06.140 --> 00:28:11.619if you can respond gently, kindlybut truthfully to that question. You know37000:28:11.660 --> 00:28:15.089you're obviously outifying the MOMS and thedad's or the friends you're at to find37100:28:15.130 --> 00:28:19.250the pro choice. People would theywill often speak. They'll often ask this37200:28:19.369 --> 00:28:25.369as well. But we're also outof fine or our fellow believers when because37300:28:25.410 --> 00:28:30.839I think especially new counselors do sometimesthink, oh, yeah, I don't37400:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.200want to make anyone feel bad.Yeah, and yeah, we're so often37500:28:33.240 --> 00:28:42.589can accused of spreading condemnation and wholierthan thou says, Righteous, judgmental whatever.37600:28:44.109 --> 00:28:45.950Yeah, I think that comes againin checking the motive of our heart37700:28:47.470 --> 00:28:51.150and the way that we carry ourselves. You know, people can, people37800:28:51.269 --> 00:28:56.700can sense when you're genuine right andeven though they might accuse you of you37900:28:57.420 --> 00:29:02.420not being genuine, of having evilmotives, they can tell when your motives38000:29:02.420 --> 00:29:04.460are pure. And so we doneed to check our hearts before God.38100:29:04.619 --> 00:29:10.930And you know, the reality isour calling to be out there is not38200:29:11.170 --> 00:29:15.890to make women feel bad about theirdecision. It's to point them to Jesus.38300:29:17.009 --> 00:29:18.410Now, we do know that,in order for people to be like38400:29:18.609 --> 00:29:22.890ourselves right, we didn't come toJesus until we felt bad for our sin.38500:29:23.680 --> 00:29:30.599So, in a sense, likethere is this this this this modern38600:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.720Christian notion that the worst possible thingyou could ever do is to judge somebody38700:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.029or to make them feel guilty.But I want to say Biblically, guilt38800:29:41.349 --> 00:29:47.309is not always a bad thing.Right guilt is what leads us to the38900:29:47.430 --> 00:29:51.710one who removes our guilt. TheHoly Spirit operates. The Bible says,39000:29:52.190 --> 00:29:55.700and just what Jesus said. Hesays the spirit will come to convict the39100:29:55.779 --> 00:30:00.220World Concerning Sin, righteousness and judgment. Those are heavy words that we don't39200:30:00.259 --> 00:30:04.460like to talk about, Sin andrighteousness and judgment, but that's the work39300:30:04.539 --> 00:30:08.089of the Holy Spirit. To thosewho don't know God, he says he39400:30:08.170 --> 00:30:12.730comes to convict the World Concerning Sinand righteousness and judgment. Those who don't39500:30:12.730 --> 00:30:18.210know God, he's going to makethem feel guilty about their sin. He's39600:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.759going to show them that they needrighteousness that comes through through Christ and that39700:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.759there is a judgment to come.So you know, in a sense,39800:30:25.839 --> 00:30:29.359we're not out there to judge people, we're not out there to make them39900:30:29.359 --> 00:30:32.160feel guilty, we're not out thereto make them feel bad. But if40000:30:32.240 --> 00:30:37.430they do, then let's trust thatthat's the holy spirits work, and that's40100:30:37.470 --> 00:30:41.670what I will say. As Ijust talked about, maybe that's God convicting40200:30:41.750 --> 00:30:45.230you that you know what you're aboutto do is wrong, and I might40300:30:45.269 --> 00:30:48.470identify with that and say I understandthat. Listen, God convicted me of40400:30:48.670 --> 00:30:52.299my sin, he convicted me ofhow I had gone away from him,40500:30:52.579 --> 00:30:57.180away from truth, in order tobring me to himself. So maybe that's40600:30:57.180 --> 00:31:00.740what the Lord's doing in your heart. Maybe that's what the Lord's doing in40700:31:00.900 --> 00:31:03.569the heart of your friend, becausehe wants them to come to him and40800:31:03.690 --> 00:31:07.529to put their trust in him.And so I'd know. That's kind of40900:31:07.569 --> 00:31:12.769how I would I would view itand how I would respond. Yeah,41000:31:12.970 --> 00:31:18.049and I agree with all that.I will often say I you know it.41100:31:18.039 --> 00:31:22.480I think guilt is a blessing,yeah, from God, when I'm41200:31:22.519 --> 00:31:26.880doing something that's I'm guilty of.That is how he steers me, me41300:31:27.079 --> 00:31:33.309away from that behavior. So weshould, we should listen to that voice41400:31:33.349 --> 00:31:38.750of in our conscience, that guilt. That is how God often tells us,41500:31:38.789 --> 00:31:41.910yeah, you need to turn fromthis. Yeah, absolutely. And41600:31:42.190 --> 00:31:48.420so guilt, their feeling, isnot coming from us, but it probably41700:31:48.539 --> 00:31:56.059is a by product of us speakingtruth that reveals the evil that they are41800:31:56.180 --> 00:32:00.859contemplating. Yeah, absolutely. It'snot our purpose, it's not our motivation41900:32:00.140 --> 00:32:05.970to make them feel guilt. Ourmotivation is to speak truth and then guilt42000:32:06.609 --> 00:32:13.410should occur if, if that truthreveals darkness. And said absolutely. Yeah.42100:32:15.130 --> 00:32:22.759Another verse that I think is reallyimportant in how we should speak is42200:32:22.920 --> 00:32:28.240second Corinthians, nineteen. Have youbeen thinking all along that we've been defending42300:32:28.440 --> 00:32:30.349ourselves to you? It is inthe side of God that we've been speaking42400:32:30.390 --> 00:32:37.309to Christ and all for your upbuilding, beloved. Why I think that such42500:32:37.349 --> 00:32:39.869an important verse is I think ittells us one of the things we shouldn't42600:32:39.869 --> 00:32:45.779do in our speech, and thatis to speak in a defensive mode.42700:32:45.819 --> 00:32:50.859Okay, and what I mean bythat because I've heard this that and we've42800:32:50.980 --> 00:32:57.940all done it, where we're undersuch brutal attack from the pro abortion grewop42900:33:00.089 --> 00:33:05.250that we we know their lies.They're often very personal, and so we43000:33:05.369 --> 00:33:08.329spend a lot of our speech outthere defending ourselves. Yeah, and I43100:33:08.450 --> 00:33:15.960think that in fact, sometimes moretime defending ourselves then speaking the truth that43200:33:15.079 --> 00:33:20.680might save that child's life or convictus soul bent on sin. Yeah,43300:33:21.119 --> 00:33:27.190and so I think God is specificallywarning us here and in other places about43400:33:28.390 --> 00:33:31.470don't worry about defending yourself. That'snot the point. Yeah, God is43500:33:31.509 --> 00:33:37.109our defender first of all, andif we're there, our duty is not43600:33:37.910 --> 00:33:44.099to show that we should be there. Our duty is to speak truth.43700:33:44.460 --> 00:33:51.059Yeah, and and I think wehave to be careful about being defensive and43800:33:51.660 --> 00:33:58.049wasting precious time trying to defend ourselvesas opposed to trying to defend that baby.43900:33:58.410 --> 00:34:01.089We yeah, the truth of God. Yeah, yeah. One thing44000:34:01.130 --> 00:34:06.690I've said and I've learned is thatyou're never going to be able to satisfy44100:34:06.730 --> 00:34:10.880all of the questions and all ofthe accusations that proabortion people especially have.44200:34:12.199 --> 00:34:15.280But even you know, the friendsand boyfriends that come over and just accuse44300:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.679you. They have no context,really do accuse you. I mean I've44400:34:19.760 --> 00:34:22.360been accused of you know, you'retelling these women that they're murderers, you're44500:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.949telling these women that their horrors andthings like this, and I'm like,44600:34:25.750 --> 00:34:30.110when have I ever said that?I have never said that. Please,44700:34:30.150 --> 00:34:32.670if you can show me a recordingof me or anyone on my team ever44800:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.230saying that. Now I would saythat I agree. I've said that abortion44900:34:37.309 --> 00:34:42.340is murder, but I don't justaccusatorily yell at women you're a murderer.45000:34:42.619 --> 00:34:45.260I don't do that, because Idon't think that's helpful. And if they45100:34:45.260 --> 00:34:47.500haven't had the abortion, that it'snot true. Right, they're going to45200:34:47.579 --> 00:34:52.139be they don't repent. But let'sjust this is not how we operate.45300:34:52.539 --> 00:34:57.210We don't operate and just yelling out, just accusatory statements. And so I45400:34:57.329 --> 00:35:00.809say that to say that there arepeople that just want to distract you,45500:35:00.849 --> 00:35:05.130they just want to make you doubtyour calling and it's really demonic, to45600:35:05.210 --> 00:35:07.119be honest with you. Right,they're being fueled by the lives of the45700:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.639enemy, accusations against you. Whatis the devil? He's the accuser of45800:35:12.800 --> 00:35:16.440the brethren and he uses people.The Bible says that his spirit is the45900:35:16.480 --> 00:35:22.909spirits that is at work in unbelievers. Right, the spirit that's at work46000:35:22.989 --> 00:35:28.630in unbelievers to accuse us and youknow, to accuse us the eve of46100:35:28.750 --> 00:35:30.670evil motives. It's why we needto examine our hearts. The Bible says46200:35:30.670 --> 00:35:34.389if we judge ourselves, will notbe judged of God's we need to we46300:35:34.510 --> 00:35:37.780need to judge our own hearts andexamine our own hearts and once we've done46400:35:37.820 --> 00:35:42.420that we can have confidence that we'respeaking out of pure motives and the accusations46500:35:42.500 --> 00:35:45.579that come and the questions that comeabout why we're doing what we're doing,46600:35:45.699 --> 00:35:49.300and all those things can fall tothe ground. We don't need to defend46700:35:49.340 --> 00:35:52.530ourselves. We don't need to defendGod. God can defend himself. Right46800:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.929and and just. You let themspeak their foolishness and the Bible says you46900:35:59.969 --> 00:36:01.849answer a fool, according to us, folly, and you can become like47000:36:01.969 --> 00:36:05.639him. Right, we don't needto get in the muck and the Mare47100:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.960of all these these things, likeyou said, not being listened we belong47200:36:09.119 --> 00:36:13.719to the eternal God, the Godwho made the heavens of the earth.47300:36:14.079 --> 00:36:17.400We're actually, according to the Bible, we're his sons and daughters. Yeah,47400:36:17.710 --> 00:36:21.949so all the accusations that can comeand all that you're this or you're47500:36:22.030 --> 00:36:24.230that kind of stuff, that noneof that matters in the light of the47600:36:24.269 --> 00:36:29.590fact that we belong to the Lordand he'll defend us. And it's right47700:36:29.590 --> 00:36:32.619and right, it's it's going tobe very clear to these people, if47800:36:32.659 --> 00:36:37.420they don't repent when they stand beforeGod, that what we were doing.47900:36:37.539 --> 00:36:38.940We were doing out of a lovefor people, on a love for God.48000:36:39.420 --> 00:36:44.619You're just not going to be ableto correct everybody's misunderstanding right now,48100:36:44.780 --> 00:36:47.289in time, right, and Godwill that right and eternity. Yeah,48200:36:47.449 --> 00:36:51.570nor should you. It's it's notwhat you're out there to do, which48300:36:51.570 --> 00:36:55.730kind of leads to what you saidbe just a second ago about your motivation.48400:36:55.969 --> 00:37:00.409Is You love them and you want, you're seeking their good, honestly,48500:37:00.530 --> 00:37:05.079and that that's then, the nextmain point about what our speech should48600:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.599be. Our speech should reflect thatwe are speaking for their good. Yeah,48700:37:08.719 --> 00:37:15.869and so Romans fifteen to let eachof us please his neighbor for his48800:37:15.190 --> 00:37:20.110good, to build them up again. That build up is that, if48900:37:20.190 --> 00:37:23.070I to Pul them up. So, and I thought this was an interesting49000:37:23.150 --> 00:37:27.110verse because I'd like to hear yourtake on that. So the first part49100:37:27.150 --> 00:37:30.539of it to please his neighbor.Do you think we're pleasing our neighbor up49200:37:30.539 --> 00:37:35.500there when we are, well,I mean at their speech. I mean,49300:37:35.539 --> 00:37:37.219if you think about it, whenwe're talking to a mom going into49400:37:37.260 --> 00:37:42.460the abortion center, that little babyis our neighbor and she is our neighbor.49500:37:42.619 --> 00:37:45.730Right. So yeah, we're pleasingour neighbor, we're doing good toward49600:37:45.809 --> 00:37:51.050our neighbor and lines in line withproverbs. Thirty one, verses eight nine.49700:37:51.090 --> 00:37:52.730We're open in a mouth for thespeechless. Hey, in the cause49800:37:52.769 --> 00:37:55.610of all who are appointed to die. Right, we're speaking on behalf of49900:37:55.730 --> 00:38:01.639our neighbor. Now that mom,who's also our neighbor. She's she's the50000:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.760one that's going to go in.Like we've talked about in the past,50100:38:04.840 --> 00:38:07.280she's the judge. Ultimately, shegets to say whether or not that baby50200:38:07.360 --> 00:38:13.909lives or dies. Unfortunately, inour society, she's also our neighbor,50300:38:14.030 --> 00:38:17.750but she's put herself in a differentposition. So to edify her, to50400:38:17.909 --> 00:38:22.510bring her up like that definition,to bring her up to where she needs50500:38:22.550 --> 00:38:24.670to be morally, we've got tospeak some truth. It's going to sting,50600:38:24.869 --> 00:38:29.420that's going to hurt, but ourmotivation is for her good. Like50700:38:29.579 --> 00:38:34.300I don't want to speak to herthe truth about your her baby and the50800:38:34.380 --> 00:38:37.860resources that are available and what Godsees as what she's about to do is50900:38:38.059 --> 00:38:43.889murder, and just kind of giveher the information. And you know,51000:38:43.969 --> 00:38:45.650I want to give her that informationso that she just feels bad. No,51100:38:45.730 --> 00:38:49.809I want her to, if sheis feeling bad, ultimately to come51200:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.610to Jesus. I want her toturn to the Lord. I want the51300:38:52.650 --> 00:38:57.440highest good for her, which iseternal life. Yeah, as I was51400:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.159thinking through that, I was thinking, well, you know, honestly,51500:39:00.280 --> 00:39:04.480do they feel please with a lotof what I say? No, they51600:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.909don't, not initially, but Iwill say the ones that choose life overwhelmingly51700:39:10.389 --> 00:39:16.110contact to contact us at some pointfollowing that choice and thank us. Yeah,51800:39:16.150 --> 00:39:21.670we're helping to prevent them making thebiggest mistake of their life and at51900:39:21.710 --> 00:39:27.380that point they recognize our speech wasto please them because really, ultimately the52000:39:27.500 --> 00:39:32.340speech is is to please God.But but that versus saying that that we52100:39:32.420 --> 00:39:40.449are pleasing them for their good,because that really is is the the motivation.52200:39:40.769 --> 00:39:45.449It is for their good that we'respeaking this truth, because abortion is,52300:39:46.090 --> 00:39:51.409I think you talked in the lastpodcast about its ugly tentacles. Extend52400:39:52.170 --> 00:39:58.519your ways that really so much beyondthe death of an innocent baby that are52500:39:58.639 --> 00:40:04.599often not revealed for decades and andit's inner generational and it just affects so52600:40:04.679 --> 00:40:10.309much. So for us to bespeaking for their good has to be speaking52700:40:10.349 --> 00:40:15.510the truth that this is wrong.Yeah, yeah, a a terrible choice.52800:40:15.550 --> 00:40:22.219Yeah, because again, if wejust speak flowery words and you know,52900:40:22.980 --> 00:40:27.659you know abortions your choice and it'snot a big deal and we kind53000:40:27.699 --> 00:40:30.980of comfort them in their sin.Are we really edifying? I mean that53100:40:31.260 --> 00:40:36.130in actuality we're tearing them down.Yeah, because we're not giving them the53200:40:36.250 --> 00:40:40.170truth about about their eternal state beforethe Lord. Yeah, we're saying abruptly53300:40:42.010 --> 00:40:46.809on the definition, we're specifically alteringthe message to suit someone sensibilities at the53400:40:47.010 --> 00:40:52.280time and with no regard to whatthe Bible actually says or what God has53500:40:52.320 --> 00:40:55.960told us to do. Yeah.Yeah, and if it may appear for53600:40:57.079 --> 00:41:00.360the moment that we're building them up, like we're making them feel good about53700:41:00.400 --> 00:41:07.349themselves, in reality it's like buildinga building with with faulty materials, right,53800:41:07.630 --> 00:41:10.429thank going to fall. Yeah,because ultimately the Bible's very clear.53900:41:10.510 --> 00:41:14.949We will all stand before God andgive an account for what we've done.54000:41:15.989 --> 00:41:19.340And the Bible's very clear again thatthose who love the truth, that we54100:41:19.380 --> 00:41:24.099should speak the truth and we shouldconfront sin. You know, Effesians is54200:41:24.139 --> 00:41:28.900at five eleven. Have no fellowshipwith the in fruit of works of darkness.54300:41:28.940 --> 00:41:34.130Rather expose them like that's edifying speech. Actually, we expose through our54400:41:34.170 --> 00:41:38.650speech and that's edifying actually, eventhough it doesn't feel good to those who54500:41:38.650 --> 00:41:44.769are in darkness, it's still edifyingright, because ultimately the goal is to54600:41:45.449 --> 00:41:47.920really build them up, not onnot with faulty materials, but with real54700:41:49.559 --> 00:41:53.400materials of real truth that's actually goingto be an edifice, to be a54800:41:53.519 --> 00:41:57.559building that cannot be shaken. Tothe Bible says, they it. He54900:41:57.679 --> 00:42:01.190will shake everything that can be shakenand these false comforts in these false notions55000:42:01.230 --> 00:42:07.269that God's okay with whatever is.It's a shaky foundation. It's a shaky55100:42:07.349 --> 00:42:12.190building that will fall when when peoplestand before the Lord, you know one55200:42:12.230 --> 00:42:14.590of them. I think this isour last main point. One of the55300:42:15.309 --> 00:42:20.860dangers, I think of of reallybeing gung home about a a fine,55400:42:21.260 --> 00:42:27.940which we should be. But I'veheard it. I've heard many groups and55500:42:28.219 --> 00:42:36.690people say, well, we're justifiedin righteous anger because Jesus showed certainly showed55600:42:36.690 --> 00:42:39.369righteous anger when he overturned the tables, for example in the temple, and55700:42:39.690 --> 00:42:45.079and some of our other responses.We are justified in that. And and55800:42:45.320 --> 00:42:52.320so there are some some people thatwill rationalize. In my opinion it's it's55900:42:52.400 --> 00:42:57.519rationalizing. I could be wrong,but the anger level or even the name56000:42:57.679 --> 00:43:00.630calling, because you can biblically supportthat. I mean Jesus did do both.56100:43:01.550 --> 00:43:06.949But is that our goal? AndI and I think that we've kind56200:43:06.989 --> 00:43:09.949of shown that that in most ofthe verses that talk about speech, it56300:43:10.510 --> 00:43:16.619talks about at a fine. Oneof the verses that to me spoke to56400:43:16.780 --> 00:43:25.739this last main point about being reallycareful about basically righteous anger and and name56500:43:27.019 --> 00:43:30.929calling is First Corinthians ten, twentythree. All things are lawful, but56600:43:31.210 --> 00:43:37.369not all things are helpful. Allthings are lawful, but not all things56700:43:37.449 --> 00:43:40.409build up. Again, build up, which is at a FY. So56800:43:40.559 --> 00:43:45.679not all things are at afying.We may be allowed to do it,56900:43:45.880 --> 00:43:50.960we could even be biblically justified indoing it, but is it at a57000:43:51.079 --> 00:43:59.789fine? Does it build up?And I have never felt that a show57100:43:59.909 --> 00:44:07.389of great anger, especially if accompaniedwith name calling, is at a fine57200:44:07.070 --> 00:44:13.860to me, it just puts upa wall right away and and I lose57300:44:13.980 --> 00:44:21.739the opportunity for any extended atifying speech. Yeah, so what do you think?57400:44:22.019 --> 00:44:25.849Yeah, I mean absolutely, we'vegot to operate in such a way57500:44:27.329 --> 00:44:32.409that's truthful but also gracious and eventhough, again, like the Scripture says,57600:44:32.449 --> 00:44:35.769we can justify it. I mean, after all, Jesus called the57700:44:35.809 --> 00:44:39.000Pharisees Snakes Children, he called themwhitewash tunes, and so we maybe he57800:44:39.159 --> 00:44:45.239was calling them names. Right.Jesus's motives were always pure right. He57900:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.159always did what he heard the father. You always said we'd heard the father58000:44:49.440 --> 00:44:53.110say. Did what the father commandedhim to do. We're not in that58100:44:53.269 --> 00:44:59.230state where we always perfectly hear fromGod. Jesus knew what to say.58200:44:59.230 --> 00:45:00.389At the moment we don't. Wehave to do the best we can,58300:45:00.989 --> 00:45:06.789working through what we know, andso our default should always be toward grace58400:45:07.300 --> 00:45:10.900and toward seeking to edify, seekingto build up, seeking to even,58500:45:12.219 --> 00:45:15.699you know, build bridges with peopleand not to burn them. Right,58600:45:16.300 --> 00:45:20.699and I do think you know.As far as angry is concerned, the58700:45:20.739 --> 00:45:22.809Bible says that the anger of ManDoes Not work the righteousness of God.58800:45:23.969 --> 00:45:28.050So we can justify our anger.Listen, if there's ever a place where58900:45:28.050 --> 00:45:31.369we can justify being angry and gettingin the flesh is that it's at a59000:45:31.369 --> 00:45:35.920place where they're murdering children for money. Right, that's a place where we59100:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.960could justify. But we have toremember we're there to honor Jesus and we59200:45:40.159 --> 00:45:45.079don't see the whole picture. Wedon't see the totality what's going on.59300:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.679We have to do the best wecan with the information we have and and59400:45:47.880 --> 00:45:52.030yes, speak the truth, butdo it in a balanced way where we're59500:45:52.150 --> 00:45:55.510trying to we want to have conversationswith the people going in. We don't59600:45:55.510 --> 00:45:59.469want to just write them off.We don't want to just come across as59700:46:00.030 --> 00:46:05.260being judge or whatever. And so, you know, I think again,59800:46:05.300 --> 00:46:07.940I think my charge has been allalong. Right, we need to be59900:46:07.019 --> 00:46:10.619walking with the Lord, we needto be seeking him, seeking wisdom that60000:46:10.659 --> 00:46:14.940comes from him. There's going tobe times where we speak in such a60100:46:15.019 --> 00:46:17.380way where it's going to come acrossas harsh and we've spoken out of a60200:46:17.460 --> 00:46:22.969pure motive. We can't walk onthe eggshells constantly and be concerned constantly about60300:46:22.010 --> 00:46:27.010how what we're saying might be perceived. But we do need to consider that.60400:46:27.289 --> 00:46:29.889I guess it's probably the best I'llsay. We need to consider the60500:46:29.929 --> 00:46:32.360way that we're perceived. But ifwe're speaking the truth and we're doing it60600:46:32.440 --> 00:46:37.000consistently with scriptures, we're doing outa pure motive. I think God will60700:46:37.039 --> 00:46:45.599honor that for sure. Yeah,yeah, and then and I think to60800:46:45.679 --> 00:46:49.590wrap up with this scripture, Colossiansfor six, and in. Guys,60900:46:49.670 --> 00:46:51.989we want to hear what you guyshave to say. Some of you been61000:46:52.030 --> 00:46:54.909serving on the sidewalk for a longtime. Maybe you can bring some value61100:46:54.949 --> 00:47:00.070to this conversation as we're talking aboutthis kind of that balance and how we61200:47:00.230 --> 00:47:04.699edify and how we speak in sucha way that imparts grace you to hear.61300:47:05.860 --> 00:47:07.059So We'd love to hear from you, guys. Shoot is over an61400:47:07.099 --> 00:47:10.539email. Daniel Love Life Dot Org, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org,61500:47:10.579 --> 00:47:14.980but I don't read this scripture.That I think is a good one to61600:47:15.059 --> 00:47:19.170end with, and this is theCollossians for six scripture. Let your speech61700:47:19.570 --> 00:47:23.929always be gracious, seasoned with Salt, so that you may know how you61800:47:24.130 --> 00:47:30.800ought to answer each person. HMM. Speech always be gracious, seasoned with61900:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.400Salt. So I want to makesure it's season. Will make sure that62000:47:36.840 --> 00:47:42.320what we're saying is out of apure motive, that what we're saying we62100:47:42.440 --> 00:47:45.670actually want people to receive rather thanjust throw it information out there. And62200:47:46.309 --> 00:47:52.710you know, ultimately the goal isthat that Jesus Christ is glorified above all62300:47:52.829 --> 00:47:55.429things, and so just want togive you guys. That encouragement give you,62400:47:55.469 --> 00:47:58.510guys. Is that charge you?We'd love to hear from you,62500:47:58.579 --> 00:48:01.780guys, and hear other subjects,topics that we can cover. I don't62600:48:01.780 --> 00:48:05.019know, Vicky, have anything youwant to add just as we wrap this62700:48:05.099 --> 00:48:07.500thing up? Just I thought itwas interesting. I didn't catch this one.62800:48:07.539 --> 00:48:12.300I was thinking about that first.But seasoned with Salt. Salt was62900:48:12.340 --> 00:48:19.130a preservative and kept things from beingcorrupted. So I think that's another you63000:48:19.250 --> 00:48:22.369know, call to be be carefulthat your speech is not corrupted, that63100:48:22.449 --> 00:48:28.119you are speaking without error as bestyou can, which which means scripture.63200:48:28.400 --> 00:48:31.039Go, yeah, go to theBible. Yeah, absolutely. Amen.63300:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.679All right, guess with that we'llwrap this podcast up. We appreciate you63400:48:36.760 --> 00:48:39.599guys listening and until next time.God, bless God, bless y'all.63500:48:44.190 --> 00:48:57.059Give me our love for love,give me our love for gratitude. I63600:48:57.420 --> 00:49:06.780know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you