Your First Time At An Abortion Center

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.390Lord. I am welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. Have you300:00:10.470 --> 00:00:13.949been thinking and praying about going outto an abortion center and reaching out?400:00:14.269 --> 00:00:17.309Maybe you have some doubts and fearsof what that might look like. In500:00:17.429 --> 00:00:23.739this episode we talked about that.So stay with us. Lord. I600:00:24.059 --> 00:00:39.409felt show passis touch your heart.Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast.700:00:39.530 --> 00:00:44.369Guys, you appreciate you listening.Appreciate you guys commenting in the reviews800:00:44.770 --> 00:00:49.090on itunes and giving us five starsif you think we deserve five stars.900:00:49.130 --> 00:00:54.000If not, then don't leave anything. All right, let's getting we've had1000:00:54.039 --> 00:00:58.200a barrage recently if some of thepro abortion people leaving one star reviews.1100:00:58.280 --> 00:01:00.159One told me that she could leavezero stars if that were possible, but1200:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.200she couldn't. And so if youguys like this podcast, please help us1300:01:03.239 --> 00:01:07.829out and get those reviews up andlet us know. Reach out to me1400:01:07.870 --> 00:01:11.030via email if there's subjects we cancover. That would encourage you to leave1500:01:11.030 --> 00:01:15.670a better review for us. It'snot about reviews, though. We want1600:01:15.709 --> 00:01:19.980to glorify God. We want toequip you guys to be effective in sidewalk1700:01:21.099 --> 00:01:26.260outreach ministry and being a voice forthe voiceless and, ultimately, in proclaiming1800:01:26.299 --> 00:01:29.500the Gospel. Yeah, so wewant to do right and in this podcast1900:01:29.579 --> 00:01:32.260I think it's going to be helpfulfor some folks who've been listening to our2000:01:32.299 --> 00:01:36.209podcast for a while, who've beenmaybe even looking on facebook some social media2100:01:36.290 --> 00:01:38.769stuff and gotten stirred up over theissue of abortion and you really feel like2200:01:38.849 --> 00:01:42.329you need to do something about itwhere it takes place right, which is2300:01:42.370 --> 00:01:47.129at abortion set. Yeah. Yeah, so maybe you're feeling God is maybe2400:01:47.159 --> 00:01:49.799even calling you that. You reallyare feeling like, I need to be2500:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.719out there and but I'm terrified,I don't I don't know what I'm going2600:01:53.760 --> 00:01:57.599to face. And and so that'sthat's kind of the genesis of them this2700:01:57.879 --> 00:02:00.400podcast, as we wanted to giveyou a heads up, I'm what you're2800:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.310going to face too. Sometimes,when we know things, in fact,2900:02:04.310 --> 00:02:07.989I think always said it removed someof that fear factor. Absolutely. Yeah,3000:02:07.989 --> 00:02:10.870we come in different scenarios and differentstuff that we're involved in and we3100:02:12.069 --> 00:02:15.349when we don't know what to expect. Right, there's all these fears and3200:02:15.430 --> 00:02:17.580some of them are fears that arefounded in reality and some are just simply3300:02:17.699 --> 00:02:22.099not founded in reality. And sowe're going to just kind of lay out3400:02:22.139 --> 00:02:24.620for you guys, at least fromour perspective, from our experiences, what3500:02:24.900 --> 00:02:30.009is the reality of your first timeat an abortion center. And so we're3600:02:30.050 --> 00:02:34.930calling this podcast what to expect yourfirst day as a sidewalk and missionary,3700:02:35.050 --> 00:02:38.650what to expect your first days Iwalk counseling or inside, walk out reach3800:02:38.849 --> 00:02:43.409right, and so we're going tojump into some of what to expect and3900:02:43.490 --> 00:02:46.680we're going to start with some ofvery obvious point here, and that point4000:02:46.759 --> 00:02:51.240is kind of how we started thispodcast. is you've perceived the calling.4100:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.080Yeah, you've. You've read somescripture, you've heard a message, you've4200:02:55.120 --> 00:02:59.870seen some stuff on line and you'vegotten stirred up over it, like I4300:02:59.949 --> 00:03:01.750knew abortion took place, but Ididn't know it was this bad of a4400:03:01.789 --> 00:03:06.150problem and I should do something aboutit. And so you've perceived that calling.4500:03:06.590 --> 00:03:09.469Maybe you read one of our favoritescriptures, proverbs thirty one, verses4600:03:09.509 --> 00:03:13.939eight nine. Open your mouth forthe speechless and the cause of all who4700:03:13.979 --> 00:03:16.860are appointed to die. Open yourmouth judge righteously, plead the cause of4800:03:16.860 --> 00:03:20.780the poor and needy. Maybe youread that scripture for the first time or4900:03:20.979 --> 00:03:23.539really stuck out to you for thefirst time, and you said I need5000:03:23.659 --> 00:03:27.020to do that for these unborn children. Right. Yeah, I know.5100:03:27.099 --> 00:03:29.969That's what happened to me. Itwasn't just that scripture, there were many5200:03:30.009 --> 00:03:34.289scriptures, but I did definitely feel, okay, I need to go check5300:03:34.409 --> 00:03:39.370this out, and and I thatthat sense of being called and told by5400:03:39.449 --> 00:03:46.680God really go, you need togo. That was accompanied with intense reluctance,5500:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.800you fear. Yeah, yeah,absolutely well, one of the first5600:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.680things, of course, is againfilling that calling right, feeling that you5700:03:53.719 --> 00:03:55.229need to go and do something aboutit. And one of the realities is,5800:03:55.509 --> 00:03:59.710I know this happened for me beforeI'd been out to an abortion center.5900:03:59.710 --> 00:04:02.509It's like I knew abortions took place, I knew where. I didn't6000:04:02.509 --> 00:04:05.509know where the clinics were, butI knew there were clinics there, abortion6100:04:05.629 --> 00:04:10.419clinics, abortion centers that did theseabortions. I just didn't think that they6200:04:10.419 --> 00:04:13.860were in my city. Right,I think the there's somewhere else far,6300:04:14.020 --> 00:04:15.699far away from me. Yes,I know it takes place, I know6400:04:15.779 --> 00:04:18.699what happens, I know it happensat some places, but it didn't happen6500:04:18.779 --> 00:04:21.779near me. And so for alot of people they're stirred up there,6600:04:21.819 --> 00:04:25.490grieved over what abortion do us,two little babies in the womb, but6700:04:25.569 --> 00:04:28.649they don't lize there's an abortion centerright down the road from their house,6800:04:28.810 --> 00:04:31.170for some of them, right downthe road from where they worship at their6900:04:31.569 --> 00:04:35.329their church. Right. I wasshocked and there's for in our city.7000:04:35.370 --> 00:04:40.120Absolutely don't even know about one.Yes, so, yeah, and what7100:04:40.240 --> 00:04:45.120immediately happened with me, and Ithink this is true of almost everybody I've7200:04:45.160 --> 00:04:47.759ever talked to, so I thinkit's very important that our listeners be aware7300:04:47.800 --> 00:04:54.430of this, is that there wasa voice doing everything in its power to7400:04:54.589 --> 00:04:59.629keep us away, yeah, fromthat abortion center. So literally spiritual attack,7500:04:59.790 --> 00:05:03.269like spiritual blindness, just in unrealitythat there's these abortion centers in our7600:05:03.350 --> 00:05:06.110city. So I'd say you actuallydon't have it here on this paper.7700:05:06.139 --> 00:05:10.339Vicky, of course, wrote awonderful article which we will pose. Yeah,7800:05:10.379 --> 00:05:12.939we're going to post this and maybewe'll add this in if we can7900:05:12.939 --> 00:05:15.620figure out how to add it in. But you just one of the practical8000:05:15.740 --> 00:05:18.100things, because we're going to getinto the spiritual, of course, right.8100:05:18.459 --> 00:05:21.329But one of the practical things isfinding where the abortion center is.8200:05:21.769 --> 00:05:26.170Good, you're going good point,and so it's very easy to do.8300:05:26.370 --> 00:05:30.569Actually, just go on Google.Yeah, just go on Google and search8400:05:30.730 --> 00:05:33.370abortion clinic near me and it'll bevery easy to find. Typically, it8500:05:33.449 --> 00:05:38.199could be a plan parenthood, itcould be because there are some plan parenthoods8600:05:38.240 --> 00:05:41.240that don't do abortions. It couldbe there's a plan parenthood near you and8700:05:41.319 --> 00:05:46.079they don't do abortions and you canfind that out. Sometimes they refer abortions8800:05:46.160 --> 00:05:48.480and it's still appropriate to go outthere and reach out. But if you8900:05:48.600 --> 00:05:53.750can find where in your city abortionstake place, that would kind of be9000:05:53.870 --> 00:05:57.990the first step in going out there. Right. Yeah, exactly. Now9100:05:58.029 --> 00:06:00.629we do on the sidewalks for lifewebsite have a map. If you go9200:06:00.790 --> 00:06:06.300into the sidewalks for life website andyou find r there's a place where get9300:06:06.420 --> 00:06:12.339connected to local counselors and it's amap. It's a google map that we9400:06:12.420 --> 00:06:15.980compiled some years ago and it's basicallyidentifying where there are other people that are9500:06:16.019 --> 00:06:19.769reaching out of abortion centers. Sothey're not people that even that we know9600:06:20.009 --> 00:06:25.410they're not people that we may,we may not even agree with them theologically9700:06:25.410 --> 00:06:28.569or whatever, but there are peoplethat for in some way, somehow,9800:06:28.610 --> 00:06:30.569let us know they're reaching out ofan abortion center. So you can go9900:06:30.810 --> 00:06:35.720on that map actually and you canfind where those people are and you can10000:06:36.199 --> 00:06:41.519email them, you can find outwhere they're at again and and of course10100:06:41.639 --> 00:06:45.519they'll tell you where the abortion centeris. But even so, Google is10200:06:45.560 --> 00:06:48.829a very, very easy way,yeah, to find out where these abortion10300:06:48.949 --> 00:06:51.269centers are so you can know whereyou're headed. Do well, and and10400:06:51.350 --> 00:06:55.910it's such a good idea actually,if, if this also wasn't in the10500:06:55.949 --> 00:06:59.430article, but if you can findan abortion center, maybe not too far10600:06:59.470 --> 00:07:01.500from you, maybe it's not theone exactly in your community, but not10700:07:01.699 --> 00:07:06.500too far, where you can goand watch what happens and what if there10800:07:06.579 --> 00:07:11.740is a Christian presence out there already. That is so valuable. Observing other10900:07:11.819 --> 00:07:16.129people exactly really, really key,and we've encouraging time pass and podcast for11000:07:16.209 --> 00:07:19.050people to come to Charlotte here.You want to come and shadow our teams.11100:07:19.209 --> 00:07:21.529Yeah, you can certainly do that. Yeah. Now, so on11200:07:21.649 --> 00:07:25.689the sidewalks for life website, justto mention this for you guys, if11300:07:25.730 --> 00:07:28.009you go in, you'll see atthe top of the page you're seeing the11400:07:28.089 --> 00:07:31.360menu. It's a little menu itemjoin the community, and if you strew11500:07:31.560 --> 00:07:34.360scroll down, what you'll see rightaway is the facebook, the sidewalks for11600:07:34.480 --> 00:07:39.079lies facebook page where we share thearticles in the podcast and that sort of11700:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.000thing. And then there's a sectionthat says joint experience counselors in your area11800:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.430and there's a national sidewalk counselor directory, and that's where we've gone through.11900:07:46.470 --> 00:07:49.670Again, people have told us they'rereaching out. It's not people that we12000:07:49.750 --> 00:07:54.389necessarily know. Some of the peoplewe do know, but they've let us12100:07:54.389 --> 00:07:56.709know in some way, shape orform that they reach out on an abortion12200:07:56.750 --> 00:07:58.579center. And so you can goto that map, you can click on12300:07:58.620 --> 00:08:01.139the little dots there and it'll bringup who the people are in their email12400:08:01.139 --> 00:08:05.939address. And we're actually working onanother map that identifies where the abortion centers12500:08:05.980 --> 00:08:09.740are exactly nationwide and we haven't putthat out yet. So I won't focus12600:08:09.779 --> 00:08:15.209on that because won't get it.Don't want to get sidetracked, but anyway,12700:08:15.250 --> 00:08:18.529so practically you need to find outwhere these places are. But when12800:08:18.569 --> 00:08:22.129you do, what are some ofthe things that you need to be working12900:08:22.250 --> 00:08:24.250through. What are some of thethoughts you need to be having, some13000:08:24.290 --> 00:08:26.879of the concerns that maybe valid orinvalid, you need to consider? Yeah,13100:08:26.879 --> 00:08:31.480well, just get ready because guaranteed, the night before you are supposed13200:08:31.480 --> 00:08:35.080to show up at the abortion center, and I think we've said this before,13300:08:35.360 --> 00:08:39.960your kid will go through a majorrebellion, the dog will vomit on13400:08:39.039 --> 00:08:45.309the rug, you'll fight with yourhusband and you'll you'll half burned down the13500:08:45.429 --> 00:08:48.950kitchen, you know, forgetting itback to kids on behothing. Well,13600:08:50.230 --> 00:08:54.230many things. It will happen toscare you, because there is a defense.13700:08:54.429 --> 00:08:56.340Yeah, right, absolutely, talkabout what that Defense Yeah, well,13800:08:56.659 --> 00:09:00.820in EF FESIAN chapter six. Yeah, they're spells out for us to13900:09:00.980 --> 00:09:05.460dynamic of spiritual warfare and the wholearmor of God that God has equipped us14000:09:05.460 --> 00:09:09.019with. Right, understand, thisis a spiritual battle. It is you're14100:09:09.059 --> 00:09:11.049in a spiritual battle, and notsell folks. When you're when you're coming14200:09:11.090 --> 00:09:16.129against abortion, you are touching thedevil's pride and joy. From the very14300:09:16.169 --> 00:09:20.769beginning, the devil has sought todestroy the image of God. That's what14400:09:20.850 --> 00:09:24.879abortion does. That's what happens atabortion clinic right now. Practically speaking,14500:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.559most abortion centers. I won't sayall, but in my experience, and14600:09:28.600 --> 00:09:31.159I've had, you know, alot of experience reaching out an abortion centers,14700:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.440talking to people that reach out anabortion centers. A day where a14800:09:35.679 --> 00:09:39.029lot of abortions are performed at abortioncenters is Saturday. Saturday and it's the14900:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.870easiest day for most people to goout to an abortion center and pray and15000:09:43.029 --> 00:09:46.590and be involved in some way.And so quite likely that's what will happen15100:09:46.669 --> 00:09:50.350with you. You'll decide, youknow, maybe a week before or whatever,15200:09:50.470 --> 00:09:52.379and we kind of have a flowof things. If you go on15300:09:52.419 --> 00:09:56.100the sidewalks for life site, ittalks about where to start, talks about15400:09:56.220 --> 00:09:58.620introduction. That we kind of gotstep by step there, and you guyss15500:09:58.620 --> 00:10:03.740can check that out on the sidewalksfor life website. But Friday night,15600:10:03.779 --> 00:10:07.210Vick, he's talking about when you'repreparing to go on that Saturday morning,15700:10:07.850 --> 00:10:13.370something's dogs going to get hit bya car. We're just saying we when15800:10:13.409 --> 00:10:16.970we experience this on a regular basiswith new volunteers, we tell our new15900:10:18.009 --> 00:10:20.809volunteers listen, just be warned.We're not trying to make you afraid,16000:10:20.169 --> 00:10:24.720we just know from experience, andit is proven to be true over the16100:10:24.759 --> 00:10:28.399years, that if you set yourheart to come out and volunteer with us,16200:10:28.799 --> 00:10:31.080there's going to be a spiritual battle, there's going to be something that16300:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.710tries to hinder you and keep youfrom the sidewalk. If you can,16400:10:35.870 --> 00:10:37.870by God's grace, push past itand come out right and, just like16500:10:37.950 --> 00:10:41.590it says in James Chapter for resistthe devil and ill flee from you.16600:10:41.710 --> 00:10:46.029Yeah, that's an important dynamic.Don't let the enemy win. That doesn't16700:10:46.070 --> 00:10:50.059mean if something major happens and you'renot able to make it that Saturday or16800:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.659that day, that you just needto beat yourself up or whatever. You've16900:10:52.820 --> 00:10:56.740given up in the devil is one. No, don't believe that lie.17000:10:56.940 --> 00:10:58.580Yeah, just shoot for the nextSaturday if that's how it has to be.17100:10:58.740 --> 00:11:03.100But just understand this is a dynamicthat you'll likely deal with. Yeah,17200:11:03.139 --> 00:11:05.730and I sure did my first timecoming out here. Got Really sick17300:11:05.970 --> 00:11:11.889and I recovered, but I wasright before the time that I was supposed17400:11:11.889 --> 00:11:13.450to come out, but I wasstill going to use that sickness for an17500:11:13.490 --> 00:11:18.210excuse and by God's grace, Ididn't. God just wouldn't let me off17600:11:18.250 --> 00:11:24.080the hook, and that is theantidote to these strong attacks is just show17700:11:24.159 --> 00:11:26.679Satan he cannot win. Yeah,you will not let him when you will,17800:11:26.960 --> 00:11:33.230you will be out there if atall possible. So then, so17900:11:33.990 --> 00:11:39.590you get there. Yeah, youshow up. And I think I've described18000:11:39.629 --> 00:11:43.830it before. For me, whenI was driving down the road and turning18100:11:45.470 --> 00:11:50.539onto the road that the abortion centerwas on, it was like hitting a18200:11:50.659 --> 00:11:52.419wall of evil. Yeah, itwas. It was so tangible, it18300:11:52.539 --> 00:11:58.259was so palpable that that evil spiritthat was over that entire street in the18400:11:58.299 --> 00:12:03.850closer I got, the more thatthat that feeling of evil. So for18500:12:05.090 --> 00:12:11.009me I was just filled with terror. I was literally shaking and it was18600:12:11.090 --> 00:12:16.159everything I had in me to keepdriving down that street. And I say18700:12:16.279 --> 00:12:18.600this again not to terrify all ofyou, but to say this is a18800:12:18.679 --> 00:12:22.879very common experience. I didn't ifyou experience that, Daniel. Yeah,18900:12:22.919 --> 00:12:26.200I mean I still experience that now. Yeah, coming down the TROUBE drive,19000:12:26.240 --> 00:12:31.629and I've been coming down the troubedrive fifteen years, fifteen years,19100:12:31.990 --> 00:12:37.669and yet still I experience, sometimes, not always, but that I don't19200:12:37.669 --> 00:12:41.909know, that just that spiritual sense. There is a battle and it's waging19300:12:43.190 --> 00:12:48.820in the heavenly realm right, andI've had folks, new folks and people19400:12:48.860 --> 00:12:52.740that have been coming for a whilethat will liken it unto going into a19500:12:52.860 --> 00:12:58.289Third World country where you're dealing withmajor spiritual warfare. Was Demon activity at19600:12:58.330 --> 00:13:03.490its height at those some of thoseplaces, and they say it feels like19700:13:03.690 --> 00:13:05.250that's what it feels like. You'reon the TRUBE drive. It's like stepping19800:13:05.330 --> 00:13:11.090off the plane in a third worldcountry where there's major spiritual warfare because there's19900:13:11.409 --> 00:13:13.639demon activity and there are people thatare worshiping demons. And that's funny.20000:13:13.679 --> 00:13:16.639In America we still have the demonshere, by the way. They just20100:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.320know how to themselves. Yeah,and Third World countries where everyone kind of20200:13:20.440 --> 00:13:24.639knows these spiritual realities. It's outthere and it's blatant, it's in the20300:13:24.720 --> 00:13:26.789open. Well, that's how itis here on the troupe driving in front20400:13:26.789 --> 00:13:31.629of your board abortion center. Quitepossibly, that spiritual warfare is real.20500:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.590The Devil can't mask it there becauseit's literally life and death. Light in20600:13:35.629 --> 00:13:39.190darkness. Yeah, and I we'vehad so many people coming to visit for20700:13:39.269 --> 00:13:43.460the first time, our new volunteers, that have said they just could not20800:13:43.820 --> 00:13:52.139imagine the the impact, that evilforeboding sense that that is there, and20900:13:52.419 --> 00:13:58.370what comes out of the mouths ofthe opposition. It's just mind bogglingly,21000:13:58.490 --> 00:14:03.090yeah, but it is. Itis evil personify. Yeah, absolutely,21100:14:03.289 --> 00:14:07.129you know, and we do withlike we talked about the spiritual attacks,21200:14:07.809 --> 00:14:11.080but then the emotional attacks, thefeelings that come with that, the the21300:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.240oppression that it can be felt there, and that's just driving to the place,21400:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.320yeah, much less standard in frontof the place, right, and21500:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.710watching the women go in, yeah, and realizing what what they're going in21600:14:24.870 --> 00:14:28.789for. Yeah, when my firsttime, when they began lining up,21700:14:30.470 --> 00:14:35.590and there was probably at least fifteento twenty women that began lining up and21800:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.779they had not yet opened the doors, the women had gotten out of their21900:14:39.899 --> 00:14:45.700cars and they were won by onecoming and lining up, and that,22000:14:46.059 --> 00:14:48.539to me, brought the reality ofwhat I was facing, yeah, to22100:14:50.139 --> 00:14:56.690to the forefront and just the Ibecame overwhelmed and felt like crying from that22200:14:56.809 --> 00:15:01.610moment on. Yeah, because everyone of those women had a baby inside22300:15:01.610 --> 00:15:05.450of her, right, and everyone of those women was was planning to22400:15:05.490 --> 00:15:09.279kill that baby. That's why theywere there, and it was just so22500:15:09.600 --> 00:15:13.120sorrowful. Yeah, to me tosee that. So I had a very22600:15:13.279 --> 00:15:20.720hard time keeping that emotion in check. In fact, most of the people22700:15:20.919 --> 00:15:24.110that when they first comments, theirfirst time, there will be a period22800:15:24.149 --> 00:15:28.830where they are literally crying. Yeah, absolutely, so overwhelming. Yeah,22900:15:28.909 --> 00:15:33.230and just to give you guys kindof an idea of how we do things,23000:15:33.269 --> 00:15:37.100because we train him in a particularway for the reasons that we're talking23100:15:37.100 --> 00:15:41.059about the emotions and the stuff thatpeople need to they need to have time23200:15:41.100 --> 00:15:43.419to process. So we do andwe have it on our cities for life23300:15:43.460 --> 00:15:46.580website, kind of the flow ofthings, but we have people for their23400:15:46.659 --> 00:15:50.570first touch with US rather than doinglike some kind of classroom training or some23500:15:50.610 --> 00:15:54.009kind of home on training. Ifyou want to volunteer with cities for life,23600:15:54.529 --> 00:15:58.370we want you to come out inshadow a seasoned team, because we23700:15:58.450 --> 00:16:00.970want you to be able to comeout with people who've been out for a23800:16:02.090 --> 00:16:04.600while and people who know the INSand outs of it and sort of unless23900:16:04.600 --> 00:16:10.519they comfortable, but at least aless intimidating scenario and just taking the emotions24000:16:10.559 --> 00:16:12.159of it, to feel the spiritualwarfare. And so the first time you24100:16:12.200 --> 00:16:15.080come out and volunteer with us,you're just going to pray in the observed24200:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.440you're just going to watch, youjust going to take it all in,24300:16:18.519 --> 00:16:21.149you're going to ask questions and we'regoing to talk you through some of the24400:16:21.230 --> 00:16:23.870basics of what you're seeing and whywe're doing this, while we're doing that,24500:16:23.950 --> 00:16:26.870while we're saying this, while we'resaying that. But we want people24600:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.990just to be exposed, to takeit in, to pray and observe.24700:16:30.070 --> 00:16:33.659And maybe there's not a cities forlife. There's not maybe even a sidewalk24800:16:33.700 --> 00:16:37.700presents at the abortion center in yourcity. But still, I think probably24900:16:37.820 --> 00:16:42.419the first time it's best for youused to be there, pray, observe,25000:16:44.059 --> 00:16:47.570process what you're seeing. Maybe you'rea person that can just step right25100:16:47.649 --> 00:16:51.129out and start speaking to the momsand reach it out. Probably most people25200:16:51.129 --> 00:16:53.649aren't the probably most people just needto be there for a little bit to25300:16:53.809 --> 00:16:57.970take it all in and to praythrough it, and that maybe the best25400:16:59.169 --> 00:17:02.240first step. Go out to theabortion center and just commit. I'm going25500:17:02.279 --> 00:17:06.039to go out there and pray.Yeah, because that's doable for most people.25600:17:06.039 --> 00:17:08.680I can just stand there and prayand and just to soak in.25700:17:08.960 --> 00:17:14.440Yeah, just what's happening there andthat that horror is real, and it's25800:17:14.519 --> 00:17:18.390real because it's horrific to God,and if we love God, then of25900:17:18.470 --> 00:17:22.309course we're going to be horrified bythat. And in one of my kind26000:17:22.349 --> 00:17:26.390of guiding proverbs is proverb six,sixteen through eighteen, where it says there's26100:17:26.430 --> 00:17:30.339six things that the Lord hates,seven that are an abomination, and he26200:17:30.420 --> 00:17:36.299gives a list. But one ofthose are hands that shed innocent blood and26300:17:36.539 --> 00:17:40.059feet that make haste to run toevil. Yeah, and I think that's26400:17:40.099 --> 00:17:44.609such a an apt description. Yeah, absolutely of what's happening there at the26500:17:44.690 --> 00:17:48.609abortion center. So and those womenas they're lining up, you're going to26600:17:48.730 --> 00:17:53.410see so many different emotions in evenin that. Yeah, Cru I know,26700:17:55.410 --> 00:17:56.690like I said, we want peopleto be exposed to it, because26800:17:56.690 --> 00:18:00.319there are some people that want tocome in volunteer with us, and I26900:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.920don't mean this, you know,in any kind of negative way for anybody,27000:18:03.000 --> 00:18:06.240but there are people that come out, I think, with wrong motives27100:18:06.359 --> 00:18:08.319sometimes, yeah, where they think, you know what, these poor innocent27200:18:08.359 --> 00:18:11.599women that are victims, I wantto come and just be their savior.27300:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.670Right, and you will learn veryquickly and come out just one or two27400:18:15.710 --> 00:18:19.829times and observe and you'll see thesewomen aren't always just poor, innocent victims,27500:18:19.869 --> 00:18:22.470right, and you think you're goingto come and rescue them and save27600:18:22.549 --> 00:18:26.150the day, because they're just waitingon somebody as great as you to come27700:18:26.190 --> 00:18:29.779along, and the reality is theyhate your guts. Yeah, and all27800:18:29.819 --> 00:18:32.940you're doing is sitting out there.You're just standing there praying, right,27900:18:33.380 --> 00:18:37.420and and so it kind of dispelssome of the ideas, the false ideas28000:18:37.500 --> 00:18:41.259that people have. Doesn't mean thatsome of the women that come aren't victims28100:18:41.299 --> 00:18:45.329of circumstances. Some are, butmany are just bound up in the selfishness28200:18:47.329 --> 00:18:49.890that they to the point where theyare going to take the life of their28300:18:49.930 --> 00:18:56.200own child. Yeah, so helpingyou to understand correctly what you're facing and28400:18:56.960 --> 00:19:00.680just being there and taking it inis is very helpful long term. Right,28500:19:00.839 --> 00:19:03.680right, because there's going to bewomen that are going to be smiling,28600:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.880laughing and joking like they're on theway into buy some new shoes.28700:19:07.079 --> 00:19:10.829Literally, is what it feels like. Then there's some that will be crying28800:19:10.950 --> 00:19:15.869or that will be uttle to getsa boyfriend may be clearly distraught. There's28900:19:15.910 --> 00:19:19.390some that are very angry and you'llsee, you'll see it all, and29000:19:19.470 --> 00:19:25.339I think that's so important to tosee, for exactly the reason that that29100:19:26.059 --> 00:19:30.299you brought up, that some ofthese women do almost look like they're seeking29200:19:30.339 --> 00:19:33.339an answer, that they want help. But I would say the vast majority29300:19:33.500 --> 00:19:37.299of them don't look that way.The vast majority of them look like they29400:19:37.569 --> 00:19:41.089this is something they are determined todo. Yeah, even if it's causing29500:19:41.210 --> 00:19:45.450some some grief. Yeah, absolutely. I mean I know you will encounter29600:19:45.569 --> 00:19:48.890situations and it's it's part of alongthe lines of this horror of abortion.29700:19:48.930 --> 00:19:52.640Yeah, or you'll see women goin, smile on their faith, their29800:19:52.720 --> 00:19:56.759heads up, sometimes their middle fingersup because you're they're praying, you're out,29900:19:56.799 --> 00:19:59.440they're reaching out right and then you'llsee the same woman co come out30000:19:59.759 --> 00:20:00.799with tears in her eyes, youcan't even look you in the eyes.30100:20:00.839 --> 00:20:07.950Yeah, sometimes you'll see the horrorabortion spelled out in a dad and a30200:20:07.029 --> 00:20:11.470mom bringing their young daughter, fifteen, sixteen year old, into the abortion30300:20:11.589 --> 00:20:15.950center to kill their grandchild, andit's like this is what we've become as30400:20:15.990 --> 00:20:21.150a society into. The horror ofabortion is is more than I don't say30500:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.740this to minimize. But it's morethan than killing a child. It's the30600:20:23.900 --> 00:20:30.059devastation of the family as well.Right, and and the rationalize and lie30700:20:30.539 --> 00:20:33.299quite frequently why it will. Willhear all the time, while I'm not30800:20:33.380 --> 00:20:37.009here for an abortion at the facilitywhere we're at, that's all they do.30900:20:37.289 --> 00:20:40.609So right now, that that's ayeah, that's something. I'm glad31000:20:40.650 --> 00:20:44.170you mentioned. That something I wantedto mention that the abortion center you're at31100:20:44.410 --> 00:20:48.329or that is near your house orwherever God calls you right, may not31200:20:48.690 --> 00:20:52.480just do abortions. I mean,unfortunately here on the trope drive the abortion31300:20:52.640 --> 00:20:56.680center here, that's all they do. Right, twenty five to thirty babies31400:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.480die every day, six days aweek here, and that's all they do31500:20:59.720 --> 00:21:03.240is abortions. Yeah, and soquite possibly. And so if if you31600:21:03.359 --> 00:21:06.349stand here and you watch the womengo in, you know they're going into31700:21:06.390 --> 00:21:10.430have an abortion, but quite possiblyin your city maybe they're walking in and31800:21:10.509 --> 00:21:14.509they're having other things done. Butyou can very quickly, of God will31900:21:14.549 --> 00:21:17.789give you discernment, but even justnatural discernment, you can very quickly tell32000:21:17.829 --> 00:21:19.579who are the ones that are comingfor abortions and who are the ones that32100:21:19.619 --> 00:21:23.339are coming for other things. Right, and you'll see the numbers of people.32200:21:23.339 --> 00:21:26.579I mean, I remember the firsttime, and I've shared this before32300:21:26.740 --> 00:21:30.500on the podcast, the first timeI ever went to an abortion center,32400:21:30.579 --> 00:21:33.130which is really, really where Ifelt the call, in the need,32500:21:33.250 --> 00:21:37.569I saw the need to do somethingabout this issue. Was that the abortion32600:21:37.650 --> 00:21:41.369center in South Charlotte here on heBron Street, right, and they do32700:21:41.650 --> 00:21:45.250things other than abortions. Yeah,but I remember it was on a Saturday32800:21:45.289 --> 00:21:48.519and typically, if abortion centers dothings other than abortions, they're going to32900:21:48.559 --> 00:21:52.720prioritize Saturdays. This is, againfrom experience as their abortion days, because33000:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.839that's when a lot of these womenare off of work and they'll have Saturday33100:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.200and Sunday to recover and go backto work and back in the quote normal33200:22:00.240 --> 00:22:03.230scheme of things. Yeah, andso I remember standing there and I remember33300:22:03.349 --> 00:22:07.269and I could see very clearly whoit was here for an abortion and who33400:22:07.309 --> 00:22:10.990was here for other things. Iremember watching those women walk in and I33500:22:11.109 --> 00:22:14.470just knew they were going in theyhad that baby in their womb, safe33600:22:15.029 --> 00:22:18.099and sound. And yet I waswatch those same women leave, knowing that33700:22:18.180 --> 00:22:22.980they left a dead baby inside.Yeah, and that reality, that horror33800:22:22.339 --> 00:22:26.539and just the picture in my mindbecause I know what a baby looks like33900:22:26.619 --> 00:22:29.140at nine weeks. I've seen ultrasounds. We've, many of us have34000:22:29.259 --> 00:22:30.369seen ultra sounds. If you haven't, you can. It's very easy to34100:22:30.490 --> 00:22:34.369find. But then even seeing,because you can, the victims of abortion34200:22:34.369 --> 00:22:37.369and see what abortion actually does.We shouldn't shy away from that kind of34300:22:37.369 --> 00:22:42.730stuff because it strikes us as offensive. It should offend us. Yeah,34400:22:42.890 --> 00:22:47.319we need to be offended by thehorror that we've allowed in this country.34500:22:47.359 --> 00:22:51.359We need to be offended by thehorror of what's happening in our cities.34600:22:51.519 --> 00:22:53.680We do, you know, saysthat. Um, I was on the34700:22:55.160 --> 00:23:00.230mobile ultratown unit here at our facilityon Saturday and we had an abortion determined34800:23:00.430 --> 00:23:06.190couple on board and the young manwas flipping through the pamphlet that we give34900:23:06.309 --> 00:23:10.430them and he came to the pictureof the abortion victim, which is,35000:23:10.509 --> 00:23:14.380I think a nine week Sulive weokay, an eleven week old baby,35100:23:14.619 --> 00:23:18.579and he just said, is thisthe baby in the womb? And I35200:23:18.700 --> 00:23:23.380said that's an that's a victim ofabortion, that's an aborted baby, and35300:23:23.500 --> 00:23:27.849he's looking at it and you couldsee the dawning yea in his eyes of35400:23:29.009 --> 00:23:32.089what he was looking at, andI said that baby at that age is35500:23:32.369 --> 00:23:37.769dismembered by the abortionist in the womband then ripped out piece by piece,35600:23:37.809 --> 00:23:41.960and I began to describe it andhe just shook his head. This is35700:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.839a man who is going to abort. Yeah, and he just shook his35800:23:44.920 --> 00:23:51.000head and said this is murder.Yeah. So that's what I think really35900:23:51.039 --> 00:23:56.509hits you. Yeah, powerfully,when you're standing there and you're seeing sometimes36000:23:56.630 --> 00:24:00.710visibly pregnant women, yeah, thatare going to have that baby dismembered,36100:24:00.789 --> 00:24:06.269ripped out of their body, andit is. It's brutal, violent murder.36200:24:06.309 --> 00:24:11.619Yeah, and it's like it's inone sense for our Christian semi sensitivities.36300:24:11.740 --> 00:24:15.779Yeah, it's so horrible that we'renot willing to come to terms with36400:24:15.859 --> 00:24:19.700the fact that it's actually happening.It's actually happening in your city. Yeah,36500:24:19.700 --> 00:24:25.490it's actually happening you fifteen minutes fromwhere you go to church service.36600:24:25.609 --> 00:24:29.250That possibly? I mean that's whatreally struck me is I'm standing there in36700:24:29.250 --> 00:24:33.369front of that abortion center on heBron Street and the Lord really spoke to36800:24:33.490 --> 00:24:37.369my heart very strongly. A hundredfeet from where you're standing, babies are36900:24:37.529 --> 00:24:44.039dying right now. Yeah, becausewe kind of put that off and put37000:24:44.079 --> 00:24:48.440these these horrible things, these atrocities. It take place in human culture.37100:24:48.440 --> 00:24:52.549Yeah, to things that happen inthe past and so overwhelming. ME.37200:24:52.630 --> 00:24:56.109Don't need to so overwhelming, wedon't need to do with it because,37300:24:56.109 --> 00:24:59.309after all, it's not happening rightnow in the time and age that I'm37400:24:59.390 --> 00:25:02.549in. And the fact is,guys, it is happening. Yeah,37500:25:02.670 --> 00:25:07.380it is happening for many of you, literally less than an hour away from37600:25:07.380 --> 00:25:11.380where you live, most people,some people thirty minutes, fifteen minutes away37700:25:11.380 --> 00:25:15.579from where you live. It's reallyhappening and we have to process the horror37800:25:15.660 --> 00:25:18.059what's happening. And I think really, and I'll say this, I don't37900:25:18.099 --> 00:25:23.970believe every Christian is called to goout and and be inside, walk out,38000:25:23.970 --> 00:25:27.289reach out an abortion center. Nowto believe that, I do believe38100:25:27.329 --> 00:25:30.569that every Christian should be exposed toit. Yeah, every Christian should go38200:25:30.569 --> 00:25:33.930out there at least once, Iwould say more than once. Now,38300:25:33.970 --> 00:25:37.279I'm not saying that not every Christianis called to do something about this issue.38400:25:37.640 --> 00:25:41.119We are all called to do somethingabout all called to speak about it38500:25:41.319 --> 00:25:44.880and to speak with others about itand, where it's possible, to stop38600:25:44.920 --> 00:25:48.759it. I want to tell youanother story from Saturday which I think fits38700:25:48.839 --> 00:25:52.750in sort of here, is therewas a group of prayer walkers going around38800:25:52.950 --> 00:25:56.910the street that the abortion centers onand I was standing by the mobile ultrasound38900:25:56.910 --> 00:26:02.670unit and a woman came up tome in tears and and hugged me.39000:26:02.710 --> 00:26:06.420Yeah, and said thank you somuch for what you're doing. And I39100:26:06.500 --> 00:26:10.740knew that that this woman had astory and said I you've got a story,39200:26:10.859 --> 00:26:12.619don't you? She said yes,I said so do I, and39300:26:14.140 --> 00:26:18.450she said how I wish there hadbeen someone like you here when I had39400:26:18.569 --> 00:26:22.250my abortion. So I think Iwant to be sure to throw that in,39500:26:22.369 --> 00:26:26.009because so far we're painting a verybleak and different picture, and it39600:26:26.170 --> 00:26:32.809is, it is, but therethere's a purpose that God has sent us.39700:26:32.920 --> 00:26:37.279They're absolutely not just to observe horror, yeah, but to in some39800:26:37.480 --> 00:26:41.440way deal with that horror. Yeah, I mean and maybe have to process39900:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.799and we have to come to termswith the reality that this horror of abortion40000:26:45.160 --> 00:26:49.309is happening in our cities, notsome other time, not some other plays,40100:26:49.670 --> 00:26:55.069not just in California, just inNew York. It's happening all across40200:26:55.069 --> 00:26:57.670America. Yeah, but we alsohave to come to terms with the fact40300:26:57.670 --> 00:27:03.859that there is a solution to thisproblem and his name is Jesus. Yeah,40400:27:03.299 --> 00:27:07.619and he's in you, if you'rea Christian. Jesus says, I40500:27:07.859 --> 00:27:10.980will be with you and I willbe in you. He is. I40600:27:11.019 --> 00:27:15.809don't say that in some trite,some kind of just flippant way, some40700:27:15.049 --> 00:27:18.769cliche. Jesus is a solution toa problem. I say that with absolute40800:27:18.849 --> 00:27:26.250conviction. It's true. Jesus Christand his Gospel is the solution to the40900:27:26.410 --> 00:27:30.440problem of abortion. And you have, if you're a Christian, him in41000:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.759you. You've got his word,you've got the Gospel, which is the41100:27:33.880 --> 00:27:38.079power of God to salvation for thesewomen who have not yet experienced salvation.41200:27:38.839 --> 00:27:41.599So you can have hope. Yes, we come to grips. I listen.41300:27:41.839 --> 00:27:45.309As Christians, we need to cometo terms with the reality that there41400:27:45.509 --> 00:27:51.069is a hell, right, that'sa hard reality. And eternity, not41500:27:51.269 --> 00:27:55.630just separated from God, but aneternity under the wrath of God. Yeah,41600:27:55.710 --> 00:27:59.619that is a biblical reality that weneed to come to terms with that41700:27:59.980 --> 00:28:04.900horror of eternal damnation in hell needsto be something we do the best we41800:28:04.980 --> 00:28:10.500can to wrap our minds around andlet that horror fuel our activity, to41900:28:10.619 --> 00:28:14.329go into the hedges in the highwaysand compel people to come in, because42000:28:14.369 --> 00:28:18.730Jesus offers his appeal of salvation toeveryone who would come. Yeah, and42100:28:18.930 --> 00:28:22.569these women, if they are thereto kill their chired, that child,42200:28:22.730 --> 00:28:26.160they are in rebellion against God.And, while we've said this before,42300:28:26.200 --> 00:28:32.000abortion is not the unpardonable sin,but if you don't repent from the severity42400:28:32.039 --> 00:28:34.519of the sin and recognize the severityof that sin, your soul is in42500:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.559danger. Yeah, absolutely, Yes, no doubt. And so the totality42600:28:38.599 --> 00:28:41.990of the picture, the horror abortion, where it leads to it, shouldn't42700:28:42.029 --> 00:28:48.109stifle us. It should actually motivateus right to know that the solution is42800:28:48.269 --> 00:28:51.029in us. We're not the solution, that's right. We're not so smart42900:28:51.069 --> 00:28:55.069and so great and so special thatwe're the solution, but Jesus in us.43000:28:55.190 --> 00:28:56.099He is the solution. So Iwant encourage you guys with that.43100:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.220Don't get stifled by some of thethings that we're saying. Yeah, be43200:29:00.339 --> 00:29:03.940encouraged that Jesus in you can bethe solution. Yeah, which is why43300:29:03.180 --> 00:29:08.299we are a Gospel centered prolife podcastand we are a Gospel Centered Ministry also43400:29:08.380 --> 00:29:14.009because we know that of ourselves.There's lots of people that you can argue43500:29:14.049 --> 00:29:18.650without at the abortion center from ascientific or humanistic point of view and the43600:29:18.769 --> 00:29:22.569it will not change their heart atall. But if you can bring the43700:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.519truth of Jesus, of the Gospeland of the only real hope that there43800:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.119is, that can truly change whenit's going to happen. Soolutely are.43900:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.480So up until this point we've talkedabout maybe just you going out for your44000:29:34.559 --> 00:29:38.829first time, you standing out,they're praying and just observing the women going44100:29:38.869 --> 00:29:41.150in. But there's some other thingsthat could be taken place there too,44200:29:41.230 --> 00:29:45.069and we want you guys to beaware of those things. So I'm encouraging44300:29:45.150 --> 00:29:48.630things, I'm not so encouraging things, and one of those things is maybe44400:29:48.670 --> 00:29:52.509there is a sidewalk team there,maybe there are Christians, they're reaching out.44500:29:52.589 --> 00:29:56.740Yeah, however imperfect they might bedoing it, however not like you44600:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.299think it ought to be done,because be aware that there are some people44700:29:59.299 --> 00:30:02.460that are going to be doing thingsthat maybe you don't agree with. Probably,44800:30:02.539 --> 00:30:06.019if you came here to Charlotte andyou observed us, we'd be doing44900:30:06.099 --> 00:30:07.130some things, maybe saying some things. You'd be like, well, why45000:30:07.170 --> 00:30:11.170do they say that? Right,that could be taken place. There could45100:30:11.170 --> 00:30:12.609be some folks just reaching out,just like you think the ought to.45200:30:14.210 --> 00:30:17.009Either way, maybe there are somefolks that are reaching out of the abortion45300:30:17.130 --> 00:30:19.410center and you can take that inand observe that and just see how they45400:30:19.490 --> 00:30:23.200interact and just see what God's doingout there. Listen to what they say.45500:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.559How long do they have to sayit? You know a lot of45600:30:26.599 --> 00:30:29.119people come and say I'm going toshare the Gospel. Well, you the45700:30:29.279 --> 00:30:32.559reality is you got ten seconds,maybe, if you're lucky, maybe fifteen,45800:30:32.680 --> 00:30:33.799and no one's going to share theGospel in that amount of time.45900:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.190But there are some effective things thatyou can call out and yeah, and46000:30:37.430 --> 00:30:41.950watching people that are seasoned. Theythey kind of been out there a while.46100:30:41.029 --> 00:30:45.589They know from experience what is effectiveand what is not. That's a46200:30:45.670 --> 00:30:48.829very good use of your time thefirst time that you're at yeah, and46300:30:48.910 --> 00:30:52.180that's how we do things. Whenpeople first come out and we ask them,46400:30:52.299 --> 00:30:55.660we'd say pray and observe you reallyare good about this, telling them,46500:30:55.700 --> 00:30:57.019Hey, just listen to what she'ssaying. Just listen and what she's46600:30:57.059 --> 00:31:00.259saying. And of course we dothe three talking points thing. If you46700:31:00.299 --> 00:31:03.890guys haven't heard that, please go. I mean we've done podcast about it,46800:31:03.970 --> 00:31:07.250we've talked about it in our podcast. We do it. We talked46900:31:07.250 --> 00:31:10.930about in our training. We wrotean article. I wrote an article months47000:31:10.930 --> 00:31:14.369and months ago, last year sometime, about the three talking points for sidewalk47100:31:14.450 --> 00:31:17.690counselors. And basically it's what Godsays about this, so what God says47200:31:17.690 --> 00:31:19.599about abortion, that it's wrong.What God says about the baby, the47300:31:19.720 --> 00:31:23.960mom, so what God says.And then it's the humanity of the baby.47400:31:25.599 --> 00:31:27.119Your baby has a heart that's alreadybeating. Your baby is a unique47500:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.319human being. And then the resourcesthat are available. There's a pregnancy center47600:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.390down the road, there's a mobileunit right here, there's doctors that will47700:31:33.390 --> 00:31:37.349see you free of charge, whateverresources are available there, and you might47800:31:37.390 --> 00:31:40.789not yet know these things, butthese are three talking points that we use47900:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.029and, just like you mentioned thefifteen seconds you might have, you can48000:31:45.109 --> 00:31:48.859put all of these things in afifteen second spel. I guess you could48100:31:48.859 --> 00:31:52.619say, and if you're going toobserve us, you're going to listen into48200:31:52.660 --> 00:31:55.019what our counselors are saying, you'regoing to pick up on these three talking48300:31:55.059 --> 00:31:57.339points and they're just good. Ithink they're just good talking points. Yeah,48400:31:57.740 --> 00:32:01.690so that's what you will hopefully beable to have that somewhere near you48500:32:01.809 --> 00:32:07.289where you could go and observe that. The you're of course going to see48600:32:07.289 --> 00:32:09.690the abortion determined women there and you'regoing to see most of them have,48700:32:10.009 --> 00:32:14.569not most. Good number of them, though, have friends or a driver48800:32:14.690 --> 00:32:16.240or the boyfriend with them. Yeah, and then you're going to see the48900:32:16.319 --> 00:32:21.599opposition, and they're pretty much issome sort of opposition. I think it49000:32:21.839 --> 00:32:24.599at every abortion center, even ifit's just the security people. Yeah,49100:32:24.599 --> 00:32:30.990yeah, I mean here it Charlotte, and probably all of the abortion centers,49200:32:30.990 --> 00:32:35.109at some point there's some pro abortionopposition, some clinic escort people.49300:32:35.309 --> 00:32:37.069Right in. The escorts are theones that they take them from the car49400:32:37.549 --> 00:32:40.750to the clinic, kind of hidingthem from us. Yeah, they use49500:32:40.869 --> 00:32:44.980umbreller whatever, I feel something.They call themselves as scorts, right.49600:32:45.019 --> 00:32:47.940Yeah, and then maybe you'll havesome what they call themselves counter protesters that49700:32:49.019 --> 00:32:51.779are be counteracting. We did awhole podcast about that. So we're going49800:32:51.819 --> 00:32:53.859to get not going to give themtoo much airtime, but that might be49900:32:53.980 --> 00:32:58.769something you experience, right and youhave since in that spiritual battle there,50000:32:58.849 --> 00:33:01.289that these people are really there,deceive their blind like we talked about in50100:33:01.329 --> 00:33:06.329that previous podcast, and they needthe Lord, and that's a prayer point.50200:33:06.769 --> 00:33:08.650You can be praying for those peopleand it helps you really, I50300:33:08.849 --> 00:33:15.039think, to see the battle linesare real again, not against them.50400:33:15.279 --> 00:33:19.160Are Wars, not against the proabortion people, are wars against the not50500:33:19.319 --> 00:33:22.839flesh and blood, but principalities,these demonic powers, and so you'll you'll50600:33:22.880 --> 00:33:28.470experience some of that. You mentionedabout security workers. So at some abortion50700:33:28.549 --> 00:33:31.670centers that I've been to, whodon't necessarily have counter protesters or clinic guest50800:33:31.750 --> 00:33:36.430courts, they typically do have securityguards. Yeah, and so you might50900:33:36.750 --> 00:33:37.750have some of those folks here.We have those here. We have a51000:33:37.869 --> 00:33:42.980mixed bag of everything here and they'reout here. If a car stops to51100:33:43.059 --> 00:33:45.380take our information in the driveway,they come and tell them to keep moving.51200:33:45.940 --> 00:33:50.220A lot of times we don't getdistracted in conversations with those people.51300:33:50.380 --> 00:33:52.619They hear the truth. They hearthe Gospel Bias Mate as Moses. But51400:33:52.740 --> 00:33:55.809just be aware there might be someopposition there, there might be some security51500:33:55.809 --> 00:34:00.970guards there and it's good to havea head up on these things, right.51600:34:00.049 --> 00:34:05.769And they're they're typically not there toprotect you. Just to just to51700:34:05.809 --> 00:34:08.090let you know. It does saysecurity usually on that shirt, but it51800:34:08.289 --> 00:34:13.360is not for your security, itis it is to for the security that51900:34:13.559 --> 00:34:17.159the abortion agenda goes forward and theyusually make sure that you stay off of52000:34:17.199 --> 00:34:24.429the property. That and the thatthe pro abortion group has full range to52100:34:24.510 --> 00:34:29.269do what they want to do toblock your voice, but that you are52200:34:29.909 --> 00:34:35.110really kept as silent and as faraway as possible. That's kind of the52300:34:35.269 --> 00:34:38.260yes, kind of their role thereto secure the perimeter. And some people52400:34:38.340 --> 00:34:43.780call them death scorts, right,but anyone, they usually are. I52500:34:44.099 --> 00:34:45.940must say. I think this isimportant for you to know in cases,52600:34:45.980 --> 00:34:49.940especially if you come with young childrento mourn them, because some of you52700:34:50.019 --> 00:34:53.090will, is that you will hearsome very colorful language. Yeah, we52800:34:53.289 --> 00:34:58.210honestly do, and and I hatethat that's true, but it is true.52900:34:58.449 --> 00:35:04.730I mean the reality is that mostof the opposition had have potty mouths53000:35:04.889 --> 00:35:08.440and and very can be very usedvery vile words. They'll be cussing you.53100:35:08.760 --> 00:35:13.519So I wanted to read this versebecause I think it's a an edifying53200:35:13.599 --> 00:35:15.920verse for that issue, because youwill face it. And it's psalm sixty53300:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.800four, one hundred and twenty three. Here my voice. So God,53400:35:20.239 --> 00:35:24.269in my complaint, preserve my lifefrom dread of the enemy, hide me53500:35:24.389 --> 00:35:29.349from the secret plots of the wicked, from the throng of evildoers who wet53600:35:29.389 --> 00:35:32.429their tongues like swords, who aimbitter words like eras. Yeah, and53700:35:32.469 --> 00:35:36.059I think that's what it is.Isn't that apt? That? Oh,53800:35:36.099 --> 00:35:38.179yeah, but but we call uponthe Lord, as the SAMAS did,53900:35:38.260 --> 00:35:43.699that we call upon God to justprotect us from those bitter words and that54000:35:43.940 --> 00:35:46.980angry and sinful and demonic spirit.Yeah, absolutely. You know, I54100:35:47.059 --> 00:35:51.969think it's some point. Maybe we'lldo a podcast about is it appropriate to54200:35:52.050 --> 00:35:54.530bring your children to an abortion center? That's a very miss subject, because54300:35:54.610 --> 00:35:58.610there are very different views about that. There are, there are nothing,54400:35:58.889 --> 00:36:00.969depending on the scenario. I mean, yes, full disclosure, I bring54500:36:01.050 --> 00:36:05.639my children out on Saturdays and weserve the Lord together in that capacity.54600:36:05.840 --> 00:36:08.679Right. I know what they're facing. My kids been raised in this thing.54700:36:09.880 --> 00:36:14.719And my kids are fairly well behaved. Yeah, so maybe we'll do54800:36:14.760 --> 00:36:16.599a podcast about this. I thinkthat's be looking out for. That a54900:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.750good idea. But that is somethingconsider that you're going to have these these55000:36:21.070 --> 00:36:24.590vile statements coming from these people andsometimes they'll even target children. Right,55100:36:24.909 --> 00:36:29.030not, not really the security guards, in our experience, mainly the pro55200:36:29.110 --> 00:36:31.230abortion opposition. But it's a realityto consider. So right, and I55300:36:31.269 --> 00:36:36.139would encourage you your first time out, probably probably not depping, not because,55400:36:36.219 --> 00:36:38.659for one thing, it is veryemotional and until you have process that55500:36:38.739 --> 00:36:42.860emotion, I think you probably don'twant to expose your kids to that because55600:36:42.900 --> 00:36:45.420you're going to need to explain tothem. Yeah. Well, so I55700:36:45.539 --> 00:36:51.010want to jump right to some someencouraging stuff in this article that you've written.55800:36:51.050 --> 00:36:54.170Yeah, and talk about the glimmersof hope and the fruitful responses.55900:36:54.289 --> 00:36:58.889Yeah, because I want you guysto know, and we say it often,56000:36:59.769 --> 00:37:01.440and I think I said it oftenin this podcast least, but I56100:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.440know I say it with our newvolunteers here, people that get involved in56200:37:05.679 --> 00:37:08.400getting involved, that I make themtoo, promises if they come out to56300:37:08.440 --> 00:37:13.400an abortion center and I make thesepromises. I believe based on God's word,56400:37:13.480 --> 00:37:15.829but also based on my experience andthis two promises are if you commit56500:37:15.949 --> 00:37:20.309to this ministry, if you committo come out to an abortion center and56600:37:20.469 --> 00:37:22.789the Holy Spirit is in you,you're a child of God, two things56700:37:22.789 --> 00:37:28.230are going to happen. Yep.First, God will grow you in areas56800:37:28.269 --> 00:37:30.860of your life spiritually that you wouldnot grow otherwise because of some of the56900:37:30.940 --> 00:37:36.420conflict, because of the spiritual warfarethat you don't experience at home. You're57000:37:36.460 --> 00:37:39.340going to be forced to grow inareas. That's like lifting weights. You're57100:37:39.340 --> 00:37:45.050using muscles you don't normally use inAmerican Christianity. We normally don't have this57200:37:45.250 --> 00:37:49.489level of conflict, this level ofopposition. Yeah, and so it helps57300:37:49.489 --> 00:37:52.730us be more like Jesus, right, because he had a lot of opposition.57400:37:52.769 --> 00:37:57.250Yeah. And the second thing isGod will use you to save babies.57500:37:57.369 --> 00:38:00.559I'm just telling you he will.Now, you might not find out57600:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.000something about some of those babies thatwere saved until you stand before the Lord57700:38:04.039 --> 00:38:07.480and he shows you. But I'mtelling you, God's word doesn't return void.57800:38:07.519 --> 00:38:12.719And if you come with a Gospelcentered motivation that you've come to bring57900:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.429the Gospel and the hope of JesusChrist. God will use you to save58000:38:17.590 --> 00:38:22.309babies. Yeah, now, itmight not be every time you go out,58100:38:22.710 --> 00:38:24.630it might not be every other timeyou go out. It might be,58200:38:25.269 --> 00:38:29.260like I said, until you breatheyour last breath and you stand before58300:38:29.260 --> 00:38:32.099the Lord and he shows you allthe babies that were saved. I'm telling58400:38:32.179 --> 00:38:36.059you, God will use you tosay babies. He will, and and58500:38:36.659 --> 00:38:40.340praise God. Sometimes he does giveus visible fruit. He does actually quite58600:38:40.380 --> 00:38:45.449often in the facility. That wherewe see a lot of babies saved.58700:38:45.889 --> 00:38:51.010But on my first day out thereI was, you know, close to58800:38:51.010 --> 00:38:54.570tears the whole time, devastated bywhat I was seeing. Come really completely58900:38:54.570 --> 00:39:00.880unprepared, and then I saw momchoose life. Yeah, and that hooked59000:39:00.960 --> 00:39:06.280me. Yeah, I was like, Oh, I need to do this,59100:39:06.599 --> 00:39:09.110I need to be a part ofthis, and I think maybe he59200:39:09.230 --> 00:39:15.190knew what a week person I wasand that I needed that visible exist,59300:39:15.309 --> 00:39:19.349you know proof, yeah, thatthe people standing there that it was not59400:39:19.469 --> 00:39:22.909in vain. Maybe other people don'tneed that as much, but we have59500:39:23.110 --> 00:39:28.699been blessed as a ministry to seeit often. Yeah, and it is59600:39:28.820 --> 00:39:32.820such an encouragement and the people thatcome back years later or continue to stay59700:39:32.900 --> 00:39:37.059in touch with us for years,saying this child, then you watch them59800:39:37.139 --> 00:39:40.690grow up in the pictures they send. This child wouldn't be here if you59900:39:42.050 --> 00:39:45.650hadn't been there. That's pretty powerful. Yeah, it's powerful. And,60000:39:45.449 --> 00:39:50.090guys, think about what we're sayinghere. Yeah, let's say, because60100:39:50.090 --> 00:39:53.079we saw last week, praise God, eight MOMS choose life. So eight60200:39:53.159 --> 00:39:58.119baby, say. But let's sayyou're at an abortion center and you're there60300:39:58.320 --> 00:40:01.840for a month and you only seeone mom choose life, only one baby60400:40:01.880 --> 00:40:05.719saved, and that's all you're ableto see as far as fruit and,60500:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.989depending on the the scenario, whatever, it could be very difficult to have60600:40:09.110 --> 00:40:13.469conversations with these MOMS and to reallyfind out whether or not they chose life.60700:40:13.670 --> 00:40:17.230Yeah, but think about that.Well, just one baby saved in60800:40:17.349 --> 00:40:21.349a month's time, just one babysaved in a year's time, just one60900:40:21.460 --> 00:40:27.139baby, just one life, justone human being made in the image of61000:40:27.179 --> 00:40:30.219a holy God, a little imagebearer. Take take the just out of61100:40:30.300 --> 00:40:37.170that. Right, we're talking onelife that has been saved from death.61200:40:37.570 --> 00:40:40.449Guys, that is worth the sacrifice. Yeah, how many people can say61300:40:40.489 --> 00:40:45.929that? That my in in myservice to the Lord today there was a61400:40:45.210 --> 00:40:51.320literal life, yeah, saved,rescued. Yeah, and beyond that,61500:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.960Gospel seeds sown. Listen, whena mom chooses life and she decides not61600:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.320to have her baby killed through abortion, and you have been instrumental in that61700:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.789influence of her choose in life and, of course your life, you know,61800:41:05.909 --> 00:41:08.030overflows with the love of God andyou've certainly, if you've talked to61900:41:08.070 --> 00:41:10.150her, you've shared with her whileyou're out there, and she knows.62000:41:10.269 --> 00:41:13.949Listen, you only have to sharewhy you're out there. She knows why62100:41:13.989 --> 00:41:15.429you're out there. You're out therepraying, you're out there reaching out,62200:41:15.710 --> 00:41:21.739you're using God's word, of courseeffectively, and you are sewing those gospel62300:41:21.780 --> 00:41:24.820seeds as well. And that childis going to grow up knowing, hopefully62400:41:24.860 --> 00:41:28.460that MOM will share. Maybe thatmom won't share, but for a lot62500:41:28.460 --> 00:41:30.500of the MOM's that we've had encounterswith, that mom has shared where they62600:41:30.539 --> 00:41:34.210were at. Ultimately, when thatchild is able to understand, in a62700:41:34.250 --> 00:41:37.489way that that child can understand,that child knows because there was a Christian62800:41:37.730 --> 00:41:43.010there, my life was spared.That's amazing. It's amazing, guys.62900:41:43.130 --> 00:41:45.650Yeah, so we would encourage you, guys, with that. And then,63000:41:45.730 --> 00:41:47.320just to wrap this thing up,I think this is an important point,63100:41:49.760 --> 00:41:52.320and this is after you've gone outthere for your first time and you've63200:41:52.360 --> 00:41:55.679experienced some of what we're talking about. Maybe some of it you haven't experienced.63300:41:55.719 --> 00:41:59.679As far as the opposition, maybethere's no opposition there, praise God63400:41:59.760 --> 00:42:05.630for that, but still you've experiencedthe spiritual tension and you've experienced the horror63500:42:05.630 --> 00:42:07.989of abortion right there where it takesplace. Yeah, I feel like it's63600:42:08.110 --> 00:42:12.590very important, and I do thiseven now sometimes, especially when it's been63700:42:12.590 --> 00:42:16.579a very difficult day and we've experiencedmaybe some opposition that we had an experienced63800:42:16.659 --> 00:42:20.300in a while, or what it'strumped up or whatever, or maybe it's63900:42:20.340 --> 00:42:22.380a it's a situation where we hadan awesome encounter with a mom that chose64000:42:22.460 --> 00:42:25.659life. I like to debrief withthe Lord. That's what I call it,64100:42:27.139 --> 00:42:31.010debriefing with Jesus. So I'm drivingaway in my car and I'm thinking64200:42:31.090 --> 00:42:37.449through what happened and I'm talking tothe Lord in prayer about it, because64300:42:37.489 --> 00:42:39.449he knew it, he saw it, he's there right right, and so64400:42:39.530 --> 00:42:44.320I'm saying, Lord, this oppositioncame and I'm just thinking it all through64500:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.039just processing, and really what itis, it's just process and processing it64600:42:47.760 --> 00:42:52.119in your relationship with the Lord.Right. Yeah, that's a really,64700:42:52.679 --> 00:42:54.639really good thing to do, becauseI will hear people say a lot of64800:42:54.719 --> 00:42:58.750times go home and talk with yourfamily or, you know, share with64900:42:58.829 --> 00:43:01.110a loved one, and that's allfine and good, but I think processing65000:43:01.190 --> 00:43:06.510it with the Lord is absolutely themost important and first step, because he's65100:43:06.590 --> 00:43:08.829the one that has empowered you todo what you did, he has seen65200:43:08.909 --> 00:43:13.059everything and he's the one that's goingto strengthen you to do it again the65300:43:13.179 --> 00:43:15.940next time. Yeah, absolutely,show up. Yeah, and there may65400:43:15.940 --> 00:43:20.739be a situation in which, Iknow there's been situations, plenty of situations65500:43:20.780 --> 00:43:23.940in my case, where I've saidthings, after my first, second,65600:43:24.019 --> 00:43:28.289third, after years of being outthere, that like I shouldn't have said.65700:43:28.289 --> 00:43:30.090Yeah, like that was stupid.I went over the line, and65800:43:30.250 --> 00:43:35.849maybe some opposition with the pro abortionpeople and whatever, and sometimes I need65900:43:35.929 --> 00:43:38.969to process that before the Lord andask the Lord God, should I apologize66000:43:39.050 --> 00:43:43.960to that person? I've apologized toprobortion people for because I've said things that66100:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.840I shouldn't say. Yeah, thankfully, not too terrible, but just things66200:43:46.880 --> 00:43:50.880that I regret having said and Iapologized, as some of these people,66300:43:51.360 --> 00:43:53.320and so that's that's part of meprocess. And now this course for you66400:43:53.400 --> 00:43:57.869guys, is always down the road. But even just maybe you just started66500:43:57.949 --> 00:44:01.949calling out to the mom's going inand before the Lord may be process,66600:44:02.110 --> 00:44:06.030like Lord, should I said thatat that particular time, because the Lord66700:44:06.070 --> 00:44:08.150can give us wisdom, the Lordcan help us and he can guide us66800:44:08.190 --> 00:44:12.659into saying the right things at theright time. Yeah, and so even66900:44:12.780 --> 00:44:15.460process and what you've said. DidI say this effectively? Did should?67000:44:15.460 --> 00:44:20.099I've reached out to that person inthat way. And let the Lord,67100:44:20.619 --> 00:44:23.059as he's by his Holy Spirit,teaching you, because the Bible says that67200:44:23.179 --> 00:44:27.170he is our teacher, the holyspirits our teacher. Let the Lord teach67300:44:27.170 --> 00:44:30.289you to be more effective. Yeah, let the Lord teach you when to67400:44:30.369 --> 00:44:31.769say what, that sort of thingright, and he will. And also67500:44:31.929 --> 00:44:37.599to pray. I will often,as I'm leaving, pray gratitude for the67600:44:37.679 --> 00:44:43.000lives that I've seen, seen saved, if I've had that privilege, but67700:44:43.079 --> 00:44:46.760also for the opportunities, because there'salways opportunities, almost always. You've had67800:44:46.840 --> 00:44:52.989opportunities to interact with with women andto just pray that those seeds that that67900:44:52.590 --> 00:44:57.630have been planted would indeed grow.We had a woman I counseled for like68000:44:57.710 --> 00:45:01.309an hour car side today and she'sI don't know what she's going to choose.68100:45:01.349 --> 00:45:05.269So I as soon as I finished, I was just I felt like68200:45:05.510 --> 00:45:09.739I had been really through a physicalbattle. I've just I could barely walk,68300:45:09.780 --> 00:45:14.619I was so weak just because,you know, I kind of gave68400:45:14.780 --> 00:45:20.699everything. But so I know allthis afternoon I've been thinking over the discussion68500:45:20.739 --> 00:45:24.489and just pausing in my heart topray. Yeah, and think, use68600:45:24.570 --> 00:45:28.449those words, use your spirit,Lord, to convict her, because I68700:45:28.489 --> 00:45:30.849think she was very close to shedidn't kill her baby today, but I68800:45:31.090 --> 00:45:35.210think that she is. I thinkshe's going to make a choice for life.68900:45:35.250 --> 00:45:38.039But but that that time, afterit's all over, after you're out69000:45:38.039 --> 00:45:40.960of the battle, to remember,well, God is still working, yeah,69100:45:40.960 --> 00:45:46.039and ask him to intercede in whoever'slives you've touched while you've been out69200:45:46.079 --> 00:45:50.309there. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, guys, we hope this69300:45:50.469 --> 00:45:53.710was an encouragement to y'all. There'smore than what we covered in this podcast,69400:45:54.389 --> 00:45:58.590but we wanted to shorten it alittle bit. But Vicki's written a69500:45:58.630 --> 00:46:01.070wonderful article here and we're going toput that on the sidewalks for life site69600:46:01.070 --> 00:46:05.539because it gives a little more indepth. Please let us know if there's69700:46:05.539 --> 00:46:08.900subjects we can cover, things thatmaybe you have questions about, that you69800:46:08.940 --> 00:46:12.699would want for us to cover.We'd love to cover those. Shoot me69900:46:12.739 --> 00:46:15.940an email. D Parks at citiesfor lifecom and her V Cossey Org at70000:46:15.980 --> 00:46:21.650cities for lifecom. We'd love tointeract with you guys and share with you70100:46:21.690 --> 00:46:24.530any encouragement we can. We appreciateit's an encouragement to us that you guys70200:46:24.530 --> 00:46:28.889are listening. We appreciate that.Just pray that you guys continue to be70300:46:28.969 --> 00:46:36.320blessed as you serve him. Anduntil next time, God bless give me70400:46:37.159 --> 00:46:49.510our love for love, give meour love for gratitude. I know it70500:46:49.670 --> 00:46:58.469will cost me my life. Nothing'stoo precious and some you