July 28, 2022

Working With Pregnancy Centers

Working With Pregnancy Centers

Pregnancy centers are a vital part of creating a culture of love and life in a city. Partnerships with PRC's are important as they offer resources and alternatives to women considering abortion. In this episode, we talk about this crucial relationship and how to cultivate the relationship with your local pregnancy in the most healthy way.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.040 This is all about bringing glory to the name of Jesus and US working together, 2 00:00:04.599 --> 00:00:10.080 and it really is kind of that that three, three stranded chord working 3 00:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.080 together right and even, of course, the Lord working through it. But 4 00:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.920 the pregnancy center, love life, the local church and the Lord bonds all 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.359 that together so that this three stranded chord cannot be broken, you know, 6 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.079 and it's a really powerful way to show these women that there is a group 7 00:00:28.120 --> 00:00:35.159 of people that will come around them. I'm yours, I'm yours, I'm 8 00:00:35.280 --> 00:00:41.960 yours, and me, Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome 9 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:47.359 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 10 00:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.200 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 11 00:00:51.240 --> 00:01:04.959 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your past touch your welcome back to the 12 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.079 Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys, joining us and just want 13 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.599 to let you guys know that we are recording this podcast episode remotely, so 14 00:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.879 if there's a little bit of uh, sound glitches or something like that, 15 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.359 we apologize, but we're doing the best we can to bring you content that 16 00:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.200 will encourage you and bless you, and we have to do that remotely today 17 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.879 for various reasons, but we're glad to be able to do that. And 18 00:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.120 UH, of course I'm joined about Vicky, cassie, Org hey, Vicky, 19 00:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.239 hey, there everyone, and Um, we're gonna jump right into our 20 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:40.599 subject, and our subject today is, I think, a very important topic 21 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.079 that we we've talked about all along, but I don't know if we've done 22 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.480 a specific episode about this subject now. I did did do an interview at 23 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.879 the very beginning of this actual of this podcast. Um, so that would 24 00:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.680 have been like maybe two years ago or something, where I interviewed Tara Quinn, 25 00:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.239 who works with health pregnancy center, our partnering Ministry in Monrode, North 26 00:02:04.239 --> 00:02:10.080 Carolina, which is awesome partnering Ministry Party Probably Pioneered The whole mobile ultrasound unit 27 00:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.840 thing, like bringing the mobile ultrasound unit out to the abortion center and just 28 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.080 that that whole ministry they have been doing for years and years before really any 29 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.120 of the other pregnancy centers or ministries were doing that. So awesome partners. 30 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.240 So, guys, I definitely encourage you to guys, to go back and 31 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.960 listen to that episode. Really focused on the Gospel and the necessary component of 32 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.400 bringing the Gospel Um to the women at the pregnancy centers. But we're gonna 33 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:42.240 be talking more about how we as sidewalk folks can can really help, Um, 34 00:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.000 these MOMS that we encounter at the abortion center by connecting them to pregnancy 35 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.159 resource centers and how we can work with the pregnancy centers. I don't know, 36 00:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.639 Vicky, if you want to share something by the way of introy before 37 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.400 we jump into everything. Yeah, well, of all of the ministry partner, 38 00:02:55.879 --> 00:03:02.560 ministry Um Relationships, the relationship with the pregnancy resource center is certainly one 39 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.360 of the most important. The church first and foremost, but then the pregnancy 40 00:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.879 resource centers, because they've already been doing this. They usually have a lot 41 00:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.360 of resources on their own. They already have the groundwork for working with MOMS 42 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:22.719 invulnerable pregnancy. So they are an incredible ally and everything they offer is free, 43 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.080 and so many of these women are in such deep financial distress that that 44 00:03:28.400 --> 00:03:35.199 is an awesome service for them to be aware of. Yeah, definitely. 45 00:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.400 Like I would say, one of the most important things is having an alternative 46 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.120 to the abortion center, so we can say, rather than go there talking 47 00:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.319 about the abortion center, you can go here Um, and it's incredible. 48 00:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.400 If you can have a pregnancy center that's within walking distance, within the line 49 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.639 of side, or like we have a mobile ultrasound unit and many other cities 50 00:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.120 have a mobile ultrasound unit right there near the Abord and center of some cities 51 00:04:01.159 --> 00:04:06.479 have the pregnancy center is just around the corner or whatever. But it's like 52 00:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.280 it's a good it's a good alternative, it's a good instead of going there, 53 00:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.800 come here to get them away from the battle zone and from that place 54 00:04:14.840 --> 00:04:19.079 of darkness, for sure right. And it is so important that, in 55 00:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.920 if you're new on the sidewalk and you're starting to expand your network of of 56 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:31.639 partnering ministries, that you establish a collaborative relationship with the PRCS as opposed to 57 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:39.000 a competitive relationship. And I can't stress that enough, because sometimes people can 58 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.560 be very territorial, especially if donor funds are limited and they feel like they're 59 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.959 not being given credit. So it's really important to recognize we do different things 60 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:58.680 and Um and what we do is definitely collaborative and we really can enhance what 61 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.399 each ministry does. So, you know, go and establish a a good 62 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:10.399 relationship with with the PRCS. Introduce Yourself, go and talk with them. 63 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.240 Let them know you're new on the sidewalk or you're on the sidewalk and you 64 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.480 will be sending moms their way and find out how they would most want you 65 00:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.199 to do that so they don't feel like you're just running the show. But 66 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.399 it has without a doubt it's one of the most important Um tools I think, 67 00:05:28.439 --> 00:05:33.920 that we have in helping about and I will say that just so folks 68 00:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.399 know who are maybe brand new to pro life ministry, is there is some 69 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:46.040 history and some potential contention between pregnancy centers and sidewalk ministries. There's a view 70 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.879 from some pregnancy centers, maybe not most, but some pregnancy centers, that 71 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:56.000 the sidewalk ministry is either not a valid ministry or maybe they've had some bad 72 00:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.279 experiences in the past with sidewalk people, and so it's it's helpful to come 73 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.279 in knowing that Um but also you don't want to come in with a posture 74 00:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.600 of, you know, immediately thinking that they're they're not gonna like you Um, 75 00:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.639 because this is a kingdom effort. This is not about us, this 76 00:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.079 is not about them, this is about advancing the Kingdom of God. And 77 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.720 so when you do try to establish that relationship with the pregnancy center. You've 78 00:06:17.759 --> 00:06:23.199 got to come with a kingdom mindset, you've got to come with humility and 79 00:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.879 you've got to come with an attitude of or at least an understanding that it's 80 00:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.279 possible. In the past there have been some other folks on the sidewalk there 81 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:35.279 that rubbed the pregnancy center the wrong way and maybe they're painting you with the 82 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.040 braw brush and putting you in that same box, but that's not who you 83 00:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.720 are. So I think what's helpful when you approach that pregnancy center for the 84 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.279 first time and in your own going connections to the pregnancy center, just letting 85 00:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.639 them know that you're a part of love life, you're part of a reputable 86 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.680 ministry, you're not just some Ragtag Group of people. Um, I think 87 00:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.480 helping them to to see like even with our code of conduct, sharing with 88 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.480 them, our sidewalk out reach code of conduct, sharing with them, I 89 00:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.000 mean to me, it's helpful if you can set up a one on one 90 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.959 meeting. Again, if you're brand new to the sidewalk and you're one of 91 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:12.199 the leaders there, UM, set up a meeting with the pregnancy center to 92 00:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.439 establish a relationship there, help them to understand who you are, the angle 93 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.079 that you're coming from and your heart, and that'll help build that bridge, 94 00:07:19.120 --> 00:07:26.240 for sure it will. And I if I have a mom who is willing 95 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.639 to go onto an ultrasound, to the free ultrasound of a pregnancy resource center, 96 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:36.879 I will call and schedule with that pregnancy resource center instead of just sending 97 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.720 her there. For one thing, she might get way laid by the pro 98 00:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.199 abortion crowd, she may have doubts, she's certainly still vulnerable, and so 99 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.800 I will call the pregnancy resource center and to tip them off where I am, 100 00:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.480 I'll introduce myself. I'm Vicky and I'm standing in front of the so 101 00:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.800 and so abortion center. We have a mom who would love to see her 102 00:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.759 baby. Would would you be able to schedule her? And what you're doing 103 00:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.079 than is indicating. This is dire. You know, time is of the 104 00:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.480 essence. Is Mom needs to get in and and see the baby right away. 105 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.000 So and that gets that gets into I think, a really important point 106 00:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.839 about the different populations, because they are slightly different that typically a pregnancy resource 107 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:31.560 center will see and what we will see as sidewalk counselors on the sidewalk. 108 00:08:31.320 --> 00:08:35.840 Yeah, and so you have here in the article that the PRCS typically see, 109 00:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.759 and my wife has worked for I think, three or four different pregnancy 110 00:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.679 centers here in our area over the years and so we know that side of 111 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.399 things. Again, we have a good relationship with, I think with all 112 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.919 of the local pregnancy centers here in the Charlotte area. But it's been a 113 00:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.720 long time coming. I mean there has been some contention and some things we 114 00:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.240 had to work through. We have to come with humility. But Um, 115 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.360 because we talk about the populations that pregnancy centers you have here, that they 116 00:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.879 serve typically abortion vulnerable women, and we on the sidewalks see abortion determined women 117 00:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.200 and I would say, Um, there are a lot of situations in which 118 00:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.679 these pregnancy centers do encounter abortion determined women, women who sometimes think they're coming 119 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.120 to an abortion center and or at least think that that pregnancy center will refer 120 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.480 them for an abortion. And so these women are, UM, abortion determined. 121 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.759 But I think for the most part, and Um, you know, 122 00:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.960 maybe some of the pregnancy center folks could correct us on this, but at 123 00:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.879 least my experience and what I know from my wife working at pregnancy centers, 124 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.639 Um, I would think the abortion vulnerable category for sure now I will say 125 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.000 for us, Um, on the sidewalks in front of the abortion center, 126 00:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.480 not only do we see abortion vulnerable women and abortion determined women, but there's 127 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.440 a sense in which we encounter abortion engaged women, like they're engaged in the 128 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.519 process of having abortion right, they have the money in their hand, they 129 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.159 have an appointment on the books, they're already engaged in that process, and 130 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.360 so it's even a level higher than even abortion determined. Is that I mean? 131 00:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.600 I guess it's the same in a sense, but you are we are 132 00:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.799 stopping someone in their tracks on their way to take the life of their baby, 133 00:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.519 and the mentality is a good bit different, or at least it's ramped 134 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.600 up more than someone who's just considering an abortion. They're determined to have an 135 00:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.000 abortion, but they don't have the appointment on the books, they don't have 136 00:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.519 the money in their hand, they don't have, you know, all the 137 00:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.320 things together, ride to the abortion center and all that stuff together. Yet 138 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.039 Um, and it kind of puts us in more of a non one, 139 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:48.960 one emergency situation, right. And I think why this is important. Yeah, 140 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.480 I think why this is important is because we have to come when we're 141 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.320 trying to build that relationship with the pregnancy center, when we're on the sidewalk 142 00:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.960 calling the pregnancy center saying we have a mom here that's you know, she's 143 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.919 at the abortion center and she was willing to come and get an ultrasound. 144 00:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.200 We have to understand that the pregnancy centers are not always going to understand the 145 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.919 kind of emergency nature and the urgency that we have. And we can take 146 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.639 a posture, because I've seen this happen where we call the pregnancy center, 147 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.559 one of our teams calls the pregnancy center and the pregnancy center says, well, 148 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.759 we're booked for the day and we don't have any open slots, and 149 00:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.360 the immediate reaction is, well, this is a life and death situation, 150 00:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.360 you need to make an open slot now. That's true, and you know, 151 00:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.440 if we can graciously kind of help them understand this, then we should 152 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.919 do that. But the tendency can be especially from our perspective and it is 153 00:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.320 a nine one one emergency situation. Um, we still got to come with 154 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.919 some grace, we still gotta come with some humility, we still got to 155 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.879 come with some understanding that they don't grasp that if they're not willing to open 156 00:11:54.919 --> 00:12:01.399 that Um open up their appointments, but we can't just writes them off immediately. 157 00:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.080 That's the tendency. We want to just write them off and we're not 158 00:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.320 sending anybody to them again. That is calls for a conversation, sit down 159 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.360 with them, help them to understand. Um, as important as going to 160 00:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.879 the pregnancy center is and get any ultrasound is getting them away from the abortion 161 00:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.879 center. Still. Yet we have to understand that even if we get them 162 00:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.879 there, there's no guarantee that that mom is gonna stay, stay with that 163 00:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.159 choice for life. Right. So we kind of think if the pregnancy center 164 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.879 doesn't open up a slot for her, then they're responsible for the death of 165 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.440 that child. Not necessarily right. And so anyway, all I'm trying to 166 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.960 say is they're not always gonna see things like you do. Many do, 167 00:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.519 but but many don't. We just have to believe the best. We have 168 00:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.759 to come with an attitude of humility and do everything we can. As Paul 169 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.320 says, and as much as it depends on you live at peace with all 170 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.279 men. Yeah, and so having that initial conversation, if you can, 171 00:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.080 with them saying this, when I when I say this, I'm in front 172 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.480 of the abortion center. That's my code for this is a mom who really 173 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.600 is in a life or death situation, and when I've discussed that with at 174 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.440 least the pregnancy be centers around us, they will almost always work around they're 175 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.240 very busy schedule so that they can see that woman immediately, because they know 176 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.799 that's what I've just told them, that this woman is seeing that baby is 177 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.879 is critical. Yeah, and that comes really in relationship. Right. We've 178 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.600 got to build a relationship with them as much as we can beforehand, because 179 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.120 just some random stranger calling nobub on the phone and saying, you know, 180 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.080 I'm here in front of the abortion center and I have a woman who's considering 181 00:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.919 abortion I want to send to you, you know, it can be a 182 00:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.000 little off putting or it can be a little bit of like okay, well, 183 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.799 who are you? If you can build a relationship beforehand, and thank 184 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.919 God, like many of our teams across the nation have done this, and 185 00:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.360 this is this is probably, along with relationships with local churches, this is 186 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.519 probably the most important relationship you can build in a city, is the relationship 187 00:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679 with the pregnancy center. And so yeah, again, if you have a 188 00:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.720 pro relationship, you can get on the phone they know who you are and 189 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.960 they trust you. It really has to do with trust, right. They 190 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.000 trust that what you're saying is accurate, that it really is an emergency and 191 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.080 they do need to clear out a slot to get that woman in there and 192 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.679 get an ultrasound. Sure. So go visit ahead of time, and most 193 00:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.080 of our missionaries, I think, have done that. They will find the 194 00:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.759 local pregnancy centers nearby, they will go visit, they will tour, they 195 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.639 will oo and ah over the amazing things that these pregnancy resource centers are doing. 196 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.720 And one of the things we do, because we work so closely with 197 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:45.879 one in particular, that I think smooths a lot of um issues before they 198 00:14:45.879 --> 00:14:50.559 ever begin, is, from the get go, delineate your roles. Um. 199 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.840 For example, when we come on the mobile ultrasound unit which the pregnancy 200 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.559 center, the Monroe help pregnancy center, sends to the sidewalk, our role 201 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.679 is to go over the obstacles that that woman faces, Um, to let 202 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.879 her know that there will be resources that can help her, to tell her 203 00:15:09.919 --> 00:15:15.960 that there will be a mentorship program that we will talk about later, Um 204 00:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.200 and UH. And then the the ultrasound person, will take over with all 205 00:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.120 the medical stuff. And we it's very clear we are not to step on 206 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.679 those toes. Were not medically trained. That is not our role. That's 207 00:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.440 the role of the sonographer or the nurse. So Um. And then after 208 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.919 they see their baby, another role that we take over is sharing the Gospel, 209 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.240 and this has worked really well. Before those roles were really clear, 210 00:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.600 we would tend to go on that RV for just too long. Too Long 211 00:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.279 MOMS were worn out, we were worn out. So having having the roles 212 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.840 clear is really important. Yeah, yeah, I would say to an important 213 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:07.720 part of this is Um respecting the boundaries that they put forth against some pregnancy 214 00:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.120 centers. Um are more open than others in the sense that there so there's 215 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.720 a pregnancy center in UH California and Riverside California, and you actually have this 216 00:16:15.759 --> 00:16:21.559 mentioned in the article that they said specifically when love life hit the sidewalks in 217 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.919 Riverside that they saw up to a nine increase in women coming into their doors. 218 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.039 It's amazing. And that pregnancy center actually, when the counselor brings the 219 00:16:30.080 --> 00:16:36.039 MOM from Plant parenthood over to the pregnancy center, they allow the counselor to 220 00:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.360 come in to be in the counseling room they even allow the counselor to come 221 00:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.960 in to be in the ultrasound room. That is a pretty rare situation and 222 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.080 we have that same relationship with the mobile ultrasound unit from help pregnancy center. 223 00:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.679 That's not common, though, and so if they tell you you can't come 224 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.639 in, don't be offended. If they say, well, this is this 225 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.240 is kind of where your job ends and our job begins. Don't be offended 226 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:03.840 by that. Honor the boundaries that they set forth. After all, they're 227 00:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.720 the ones that own the building or the mobile unit, they own the ultrasound 228 00:17:07.759 --> 00:17:15.279 they trained and um either you know hired the nurse or that nurses of volunteers. 229 00:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.480 Either way, they've put the resources into that and as much as we 230 00:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.079 might not like the boundaries that they set, we have to honor them. 231 00:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.960 And who knows, as you build relationship and gain trust, they'll maybe be 232 00:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.920 more open. But you still have to honor what they say and just don't 233 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.079 be offended by it because, after all, that's their ministry and they have 234 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.880 to stand before the Lord for what they do with what he's given them. 235 00:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.559 Right. One of the things as a new counselor that upset me is I 236 00:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.960 would get the mom to the pregnancy resource center and they wouldn't tell us if 237 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.359 the mom chose life and I remember feeling, I guess, offended. Uh, 238 00:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.880 that, you know I did. They would have had this mom if 239 00:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.200 if our counselors had not been out there and it it's so encouraging to know 240 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.279 if the mom chose life or not. And they would not share that and 241 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.599 they can't. So you know, some are more careful about that than others. 242 00:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.319 But Um, the hippo laws do prevent them from sharing details of that 243 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:17.079 particular mom. So we we need to know that that is that is going 244 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.519 to be the case. If you go on the mobile ultrasound unit, if 245 00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:26.440 they or or into the back room at a PRC, you are also bound 246 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.960 by those hippo laws for privacy. So you may be able to say things 247 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.400 very generally so that no one could identify that woman, but you have to 248 00:18:34.480 --> 00:18:44.000 be so careful about the hippo laws guarding that Woman's privacy. So, UM, 249 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.200 one of the issues that has come up recently a couple of times some 250 00:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.599 of our missionaries have said, well, what if the mom says yes, 251 00:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.440 I will go on, Um, the free ultrasound at the pregnancy resource center, 252 00:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.920 but I don't have a car, I don't have a ride. I'd 253 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.759 of money for an Uber and they have, our missionaries have said, well, 254 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.559 what do we do? Yeah, what? What's our policy? Yeah, 255 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.279 well, I mean we talked about this a little bit and we don't 256 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.119 have any official policy. Maybe some guidelines, some things that are helpful. 257 00:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.920 I mean, I know our team in New York City. So New York 258 00:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.200 City is definitely, Um, a different animal altogether. It seems that most 259 00:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.519 of the women come from the subway walking to the abortion center where our team 260 00:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.599 there reaches out, and there have been situations where, you know, they're 261 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.440 offering them a free ultrasound from a place down the road. I think it's 262 00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.759 twenty uh minutes are so away. It's a pregnancy center that offers free ultrasounds 263 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.519 and, Um, they've actually been prone to ask the woman, Hey, 264 00:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.400 would you be willing to get in the vehicle with us? It's it's ladies 265 00:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.400 that are doing this and I think it's good, if you're going to do 266 00:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.880 that, to do it too by two, just so there's accountability there and 267 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.920 there's no there's no opportunity for the enemy to falsely accused or anything like that. 268 00:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.599 And so they've gotten women to get in their car and they drive them 269 00:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.200 to the pregnancy center, they drive them home after that. There have been 270 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.279 other situations and know the suggestion that we've given to people is maybe calling Uber 271 00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.440 and helpful thing maybe to have if that's your situation, if the pregnancy center 272 00:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.720 is a good ways away or whatever. A suggestion would be. Um Uber 273 00:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.559 has gift cards that you can get, I believe, and uh, you 274 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.319 can get maybe some Uber Gift Cards, figure out how much it costs during 275 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.240 that time of day to get an Uber from the abortion center to the pregnancy 276 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.079 center and maybe you could probably find a local church or some volunteers, or 277 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.519 not some volunteers, some donors that would be willing to buy twenty five dollar 278 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.680 Uber cards or something. You can handle that mom or just however. But 279 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.519 those are just some ways that you can navigate through that. I'm sure you've 280 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.039 got some other suggestions, things you want to mention, Vicky, right. 281 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.319 Well, I I just wanted those are the two main ways really, because 282 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.240 you really, if possible, you're taking a risk that they're gonna just turn 283 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.359 right, right around and come back to the abortion and center. Um, 284 00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.440 if unless you take them too in some way or get them to the pregnancy 285 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.279 resource center. They may decide it's not worth it. So I point out 286 00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.599 that in the article we wrote about this. There are risks. There are 287 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.880 definitely risks involved if you're going to drive the mom, but when it's a 288 00:21:15.880 --> 00:21:22.759 life or death decision, most of the time I have chosen to drive the 289 00:21:22.839 --> 00:21:30.079 mom to the pregnancy resource center and I remember at several times when I've been 290 00:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.319 able to share the Gospel. Because the drive is long enough. The mom 291 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:40.640 submits her life to the Lord on that drive and just the likelihood of her 292 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.599 staying firm in the choice for life is greater. So there are some really 293 00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:51.799 valuable things that can happen if if you drive her uh at, which isn't 294 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.319 gonna Happen if you call an Uber. But either way about it, you 295 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.839 are showing that you care, that you are you are you. It's worth 296 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.200 it to you to do whatever it takes to get her to a place where 297 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.839 she can see her baby. Yeah, another alternative too is, and I 298 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.400 don't think we have this in the article, but Um like one of the 299 00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.480 things we have at the windover abortion center here in Charlotte. We have oftentimes 300 00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.079 at Latrobe, the mobile ultrasound unit, but we don't have that at windover. 301 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.720 There's there's really not a place to park it there and we only have 302 00:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.359 only one mobile unit that actually can can be up there at this point. 303 00:22:26.400 --> 00:22:32.759 But the windover clinic is probably five minutes or less away from latrobe. So 304 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.960 we're not sending women to the Trobe Abortion Center, but we're sending them to 305 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.559 the mobile ultrasound unit. And so Elijah, who's reaching out there, has 306 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:42.920 a card with directions to the mobile ultrasound unit's got a picture of the mobile 307 00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.400 ultrasound unit. It's got directions. I believe maybe a map drawn, but 308 00:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.640 at least turned by turn directions and English on one side and Spanish on the 309 00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.920 other. So that's another alternative. If you have some cards that are made 310 00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.880 up that have directions to the local pregnancy center, you can hand those too 311 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.759 the woman. Of course, if they're driving Um, you know they have 312 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.240 their own vehicle. I think it is helpful if you can do this and 313 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.359 if you have the manpower to do it, if you've got enough people on 314 00:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.400 the sidewalk to have one of the ladies on the sidewalk say we'll follow me 315 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.079 there if you can get them to follow you. Again, if, if 316 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.279 you only have two people on the sidewalk, you don't want to do that, 317 00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.519 or if you have a smaller team, Um, and it would be 318 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.160 a disadvantage for you to do that, then it probably would be best just 319 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.640 to hand them that card give them directions. I think, though, like 320 00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.599 you mentioned before, if you're gonna do that, if you're gonna hand them 321 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.720 a card that has directions, or if you're gonna give them directions, get 322 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.680 them to put it in on their phone or whatever. If you can call 323 00:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.079 ahead, though, like you mentioned, it's definitely good to call ahead and 324 00:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.240 it can kind of keep them, I guess, locked into that appointment. 325 00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.920 They know that they're expected to be there and so it kind of keeps them 326 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160 with some vision that, Hey, I'm gonna go to this place and they're 327 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.640 expecting me and they're gonna be ready for me and all that stuff. That 328 00:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.440 that's helpful to do. Yeah, definitely, people are Um. Are enjoy 329 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.079 being scheduled and they tend to want to stay with us something that has been 330 00:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.920 scheduled. So they currently have a schedule to kill their baby and you want 331 00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.039 to replace that with a schedule to look at their baby and hopefully choose life. 332 00:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.599 The other thing is because the pregnancy resource center is not going to be 333 00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.599 likely to call you and and tell you what happened, for very good reasons, 334 00:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.640 the confidential reality reasons. So it's important that you get the name and 335 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.079 number of that mom so that you can do follow up because again, in 336 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.839 those first forty eight hours, even after seeing their baby, they're vulnerable, 337 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.200 they're abortion vulnerable and if you can touch base with them, remind them of 338 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.960 the mentorship program, remind them of all the help that is available, send 339 00:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.279 some encouraging Bible verses, it definitely can help solidify that choice for life. 340 00:24:49.319 --> 00:24:55.759 And you have their numbers so that you can continue to keep the communication open 341 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:02.000 between the mom and you and some pregnancy most pregnancy resource centers do have a 342 00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.200 lot of resources and Um, and it can be a joint Um, you 343 00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.200 know, effort. These moms are usually in great need and it's not like 344 00:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.640 we're going to provide all the needs and it'll be just hunky dory. We 345 00:25:15.839 --> 00:25:22.720 usually it takes a village a lot of people helping these MOMS. So Um. 346 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440 So it's it's important to do that follow up. Get, get the 347 00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.279 MOM's name and number. Let her know you will be calling her later, 348 00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.000 you're so excited, and then do it. Then then be sure to follow 349 00:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.759 up. And kind of the last point. I think we're getting towards the 350 00:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.720 end of this podcast. Um, I was not so good at this early 351 00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.680 on, Daniel, you were. And the pregnancy resource center, let me 352 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.039 know. It is. Um, they have donors, they have people that 353 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:55.319 are looking at social media and, while preserving privacy, if you put something 354 00:25:55.400 --> 00:26:02.200 out on social media about what this Um Uh uh, in very general terms, 355 00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:08.559 what transpired, give the credit and tag the pregnancy resource center and don't 356 00:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.720 what I made the mistake of doing, because I do think of them as 357 00:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.039 such an integral partner. I was saying our nurse, our pregnancy resource center. 358 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.079 Well, they're not there. They are definitely a partner, but I 359 00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.559 wanted to, I I had to learn, be very careful that you give 360 00:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.960 them credit because they deserve credit and Um, and that will help to smooth, 361 00:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.240 I think, that relationship as well. Yeah, so, Um, 362 00:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.000 I don't know if there's any other topics that you want to cover. I 363 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.039 would just say again, just reiterate the need to build relationships, to come 364 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.960 with understanding, to realize that their ministry is different than our ministry. Help 365 00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:55.119 them to understand that our ministry is different than their ministry then that there is 366 00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.720 a partnership in a in a way that really, like the Bible talks about, 367 00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.960 the of Christ can work together, the arms and legs, the fingers, 368 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.960 that toes, the eyes and the nose. And so it's not that 369 00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.039 the pregnancy centers um are the only game in town or love life is the 370 00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.559 only game in town or the most important game in town. Right. This 371 00:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.440 is all about bringing glory to the name of Jesus and US working together, 372 00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.319 and it really is kind of that that three three stranded chord working together right, 373 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.200 and even, of course, the Lord working through it. But the 374 00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:32.440 pregnancy center, love life, the local church and the Lord binds all that 375 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.880 together so that this three stranded chord cannot be broken, you know, and 376 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.640 it's a really powerful way to show these women that there is a group of 377 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.519 people that will come around them, the body of Christ, whether it's a 378 00:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.039 pregnancy center, love life, the church, Maternity Hall, whatever Um, 379 00:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.359 that want to stand with them to see that there there's no good reason to 380 00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.519 have an abortion for these women. There's so, so many resources and so 381 00:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.960 much help available. Yes, and Amen. There is one other point that 382 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.599 is that isn't in this that I just want to bring up quickly. Is 383 00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.200 that many, well, I don't know about many, but some pregnancy resource 384 00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.960 centers do do abortion pill remersal and so knowing if you're if there is one 385 00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.920 in your area, you can specifically refer them to that pregnancy resource center if 386 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.240 they immediately regret taking the first abortion pill. So it's good to know that. 387 00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.759 Absolutely. Yeah. Well with that, I guess we'll wrap this thing 388 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.279 up. We appreciate you guys listening to this podcast episode. We hope it 389 00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.000 wasn't too annoying if we talked over each other and the recording maybe it was 390 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.720 a little, a little off because we're recording remotely, but Um, we 391 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:41.960 hope it was a blessing to you guys. 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Give 401 00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:26.200 me our love for love. Give me our life for gratitude. I know 402 00:29:26.519 --> 00:29:36.519 it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and so met you