Working With Pregnancy Centers

WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:04.040This is all about bringing glory tothe name of Jesus and US working together,200:00:04.599 --> 00:00:10.080and it really is kind of thatthat three, three stranded chord working300:00:10.119 --> 00:00:13.080together right and even, of course, the Lord working through it. But400:00:13.759 --> 00:00:18.920the pregnancy center, love life,the local church and the Lord bonds all500:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.359that together so that this three strandedchord cannot be broken, you know,600:00:23.399 --> 00:00:28.079and it's a really powerful way toshow these women that there is a group700:00:28.120 --> 00:00:35.159of people that will come around them. I'm yours, I'm yours, I'm800:00:35.280 --> 00:00:41.960yours, and me, Lord,I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome900:00:42.000 --> 00:00:47.359to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage1000:00:47.439 --> 00:00:51.200and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the1100:00:51.240 --> 00:01:04.959Gospel. Stay tuned. I feltyour past touch your welcome back to the1200:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.079Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciateyou guys, joining us and just want1300:01:10.079 --> 00:01:12.599to let you guys know that weare recording this podcast episode remotely, so1400:01:12.640 --> 00:01:15.879if there's a little bit of uh, sound glitches or something like that,1500:01:15.920 --> 00:01:19.359we apologize, but we're doing thebest we can to bring you content that1600:01:19.400 --> 00:01:23.200will encourage you and bless you,and we have to do that remotely today1700:01:23.319 --> 00:01:26.879for various reasons, but we're gladto be able to do that. And1800:01:27.079 --> 00:01:32.120UH, of course I'm joined aboutVicky, cassie, Org hey, Vicky,1900:01:32.159 --> 00:01:36.239hey, there everyone, and Um, we're gonna jump right into our2000:01:36.280 --> 00:01:40.599subject, and our subject today is, I think, a very important topic2100:01:40.640 --> 00:01:45.079that we we've talked about all along, but I don't know if we've done2200:01:45.079 --> 00:01:49.480a specific episode about this subject now. I did did do an interview at2300:01:49.480 --> 00:01:55.879the very beginning of this actual ofthis podcast. Um, so that would2400:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.680have been like maybe two years agoor something, where I interviewed Tara Quinn,2500:01:59.760 --> 00:02:04.239who works with health pregnancy center,our partnering Ministry in Monrode, North2600:02:04.239 --> 00:02:10.080Carolina, which is awesome partnering MinistryParty Probably Pioneered The whole mobile ultrasound unit2700:02:10.159 --> 00:02:14.840thing, like bringing the mobile ultrasoundunit out to the abortion center and just2800:02:15.000 --> 00:02:20.080that that whole ministry they have beendoing for years and years before really any2900:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.120of the other pregnancy centers or ministrieswere doing that. So awesome partners.3000:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.240So, guys, I definitely encourageyou to guys, to go back and3100:02:25.280 --> 00:02:30.960listen to that episode. Really focusedon the Gospel and the necessary component of3200:02:30.000 --> 00:02:35.400bringing the Gospel Um to the womenat the pregnancy centers. But we're gonna3300:02:35.439 --> 00:02:42.240be talking more about how we assidewalk folks can can really help, Um,3400:02:42.360 --> 00:02:46.000these MOMS that we encounter at theabortion center by connecting them to pregnancy3500:02:46.039 --> 00:02:49.159resource centers and how we can workwith the pregnancy centers. I don't know,3600:02:49.240 --> 00:02:51.639Vicky, if you want to sharesomething by the way of introy before3700:02:51.639 --> 00:02:55.400we jump into everything. Yeah,well, of all of the ministry partner,3800:02:55.879 --> 00:03:02.560ministry Um Relationships, the relationship withthe pregnancy resource center is certainly one3900:03:02.599 --> 00:03:07.360of the most important. The churchfirst and foremost, but then the pregnancy4000:03:07.520 --> 00:03:09.879resource centers, because they've already beendoing this. They usually have a lot4100:03:09.919 --> 00:03:15.360of resources on their own. Theyalready have the groundwork for working with MOMS4200:03:15.360 --> 00:03:22.719invulnerable pregnancy. So they are anincredible ally and everything they offer is free,4300:03:23.080 --> 00:03:28.080and so many of these women arein such deep financial distress that that4400:03:28.400 --> 00:03:35.199is an awesome service for them tobe aware of. Yeah, definitely.4500:03:35.280 --> 00:03:39.400Like I would say, one ofthe most important things is having an alternative4600:03:39.520 --> 00:03:45.120to the abortion center, so wecan say, rather than go there talking4700:03:45.120 --> 00:03:49.319about the abortion center, you cango here Um, and it's incredible.4800:03:49.360 --> 00:03:53.400If you can have a pregnancy centerthat's within walking distance, within the line4900:03:53.400 --> 00:03:57.639of side, or like we havea mobile ultrasound unit and many other cities5000:03:57.639 --> 00:04:01.120have a mobile ultrasound unit right therenear the Abord and center of some cities5100:04:01.159 --> 00:04:06.479have the pregnancy center is just aroundthe corner or whatever. But it's like5200:04:06.599 --> 00:04:11.280it's a good it's a good alternative, it's a good instead of going there,5300:04:11.840 --> 00:04:14.800come here to get them away fromthe battle zone and from that place5400:04:14.840 --> 00:04:19.079of darkness, for sure right.And it is so important that, in5500:04:19.560 --> 00:04:24.920if you're new on the sidewalk andyou're starting to expand your network of of5600:04:25.000 --> 00:04:31.639partnering ministries, that you establish acollaborative relationship with the PRCS as opposed to5700:04:31.839 --> 00:04:39.000a competitive relationship. And I can'tstress that enough, because sometimes people can5800:04:39.040 --> 00:04:44.560be very territorial, especially if donorfunds are limited and they feel like they're5900:04:44.600 --> 00:04:49.959not being given credit. So it'sreally important to recognize we do different things6000:04:50.680 --> 00:04:58.680and Um and what we do isdefinitely collaborative and we really can enhance what6100:04:58.920 --> 00:05:04.399each ministry does. So, youknow, go and establish a a good6200:05:04.439 --> 00:05:10.399relationship with with the PRCS. IntroduceYourself, go and talk with them.6300:05:10.480 --> 00:05:14.240Let them know you're new on thesidewalk or you're on the sidewalk and you6400:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.480will be sending moms their way andfind out how they would most want you6500:05:17.519 --> 00:05:23.199to do that so they don't feellike you're just running the show. But6600:05:23.480 --> 00:05:28.399it has without a doubt it's oneof the most important Um tools I think,6700:05:28.439 --> 00:05:33.920that we have in helping about andI will say that just so folks6800:05:33.959 --> 00:05:38.399know who are maybe brand new topro life ministry, is there is some6900:05:38.560 --> 00:05:46.040history and some potential contention between pregnancycenters and sidewalk ministries. There's a view7000:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.879from some pregnancy centers, maybe notmost, but some pregnancy centers, that7100:05:49.959 --> 00:05:56.000the sidewalk ministry is either not avalid ministry or maybe they've had some bad7200:05:56.000 --> 00:06:00.279experiences in the past with sidewalk people, and so it's it's helpful to come7300:06:00.319 --> 00:06:03.279in knowing that Um but also youdon't want to come in with a posture7400:06:03.360 --> 00:06:08.600of, you know, immediately thinkingthat they're they're not gonna like you Um,7500:06:08.959 --> 00:06:11.639because this is a kingdom effort.This is not about us, this7600:06:11.680 --> 00:06:15.079is not about them, this isabout advancing the Kingdom of God. And7700:06:15.120 --> 00:06:17.720so when you do try to establishthat relationship with the pregnancy center. You've7800:06:17.759 --> 00:06:23.199got to come with a kingdom mindset, you've got to come with humility and7900:06:23.240 --> 00:06:27.879you've got to come with an attitudeof or at least an understanding that it's8000:06:27.879 --> 00:06:30.279possible. In the past there havebeen some other folks on the sidewalk there8100:06:30.399 --> 00:06:35.279that rubbed the pregnancy center the wrongway and maybe they're painting you with the8200:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.040braw brush and putting you in thatsame box, but that's not who you8300:06:39.079 --> 00:06:42.720are. So I think what's helpfulwhen you approach that pregnancy center for the8400:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.279first time and in your own goingconnections to the pregnancy center, just letting8500:06:46.319 --> 00:06:49.639them know that you're a part oflove life, you're part of a reputable8600:06:49.680 --> 00:06:54.680ministry, you're not just some RagtagGroup of people. Um, I think8700:06:54.759 --> 00:06:58.480helping them to to see like evenwith our code of conduct, sharing with8800:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.480them, our sidewalk out reach codeof conduct, sharing with them, I8900:07:01.519 --> 00:07:04.000mean to me, it's helpful ifyou can set up a one on one9000:07:04.079 --> 00:07:06.959meeting. Again, if you're brandnew to the sidewalk and you're one of9100:07:06.959 --> 00:07:12.199the leaders there, UM, setup a meeting with the pregnancy center to9200:07:12.439 --> 00:07:15.439establish a relationship there, help themto understand who you are, the angle9300:07:15.480 --> 00:07:19.079that you're coming from and your heart, and that'll help build that bridge,9400:07:19.120 --> 00:07:26.240for sure it will. And Iif I have a mom who is willing9500:07:26.279 --> 00:07:30.639to go onto an ultrasound, tothe free ultrasound of a pregnancy resource center,9600:07:31.279 --> 00:07:36.879I will call and schedule with thatpregnancy resource center instead of just sending9700:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.720her there. For one thing,she might get way laid by the pro9800:07:40.800 --> 00:07:46.199abortion crowd, she may have doubts, she's certainly still vulnerable, and so9900:07:46.240 --> 00:07:49.800I will call the pregnancy resource centerand to tip them off where I am,10000:07:49.879 --> 00:07:54.480I'll introduce myself. I'm Vicky andI'm standing in front of the so10100:07:54.560 --> 00:07:57.800and so abortion center. We havea mom who would love to see her10200:07:57.839 --> 00:08:01.759baby. Would would you be ableto schedule her? And what you're doing10300:08:01.480 --> 00:08:07.079than is indicating. This is dire. You know, time is of the10400:08:07.199 --> 00:08:11.480essence. Is Mom needs to getin and and see the baby right away.10500:08:11.959 --> 00:08:16.000So and that gets that gets intoI think, a really important point10600:08:16.560 --> 00:08:24.839about the different populations, because theyare slightly different that typically a pregnancy resource10700:08:24.879 --> 00:08:31.560center will see and what we willsee as sidewalk counselors on the sidewalk.10800:08:31.320 --> 00:08:35.840Yeah, and so you have herein the article that the PRCS typically see,10900:08:35.840 --> 00:08:39.759and my wife has worked for Ithink, three or four different pregnancy11000:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.679centers here in our area over theyears and so we know that side of11100:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.399things. Again, we have agood relationship with, I think with all11200:08:46.440 --> 00:08:50.919of the local pregnancy centers here inthe Charlotte area. But it's been a11300:08:50.960 --> 00:08:52.720long time coming. I mean therehas been some contention and some things we11400:08:52.759 --> 00:08:56.240had to work through. We haveto come with humility. But Um,11500:08:56.279 --> 00:09:01.360because we talk about the populations thatpregnancy centers you have here, that they11600:09:01.399 --> 00:09:07.879serve typically abortion vulnerable women, andwe on the sidewalks see abortion determined women11700:09:07.360 --> 00:09:11.200and I would say, Um,there are a lot of situations in which11800:09:11.240 --> 00:09:18.679these pregnancy centers do encounter abortion determinedwomen, women who sometimes think they're coming11900:09:18.720 --> 00:09:22.120to an abortion center and or atleast think that that pregnancy center will refer12000:09:22.159 --> 00:09:26.480them for an abortion. And sothese women are, UM, abortion determined.12100:09:26.519 --> 00:09:30.759But I think for the most part, and Um, you know,12200:09:30.799 --> 00:09:33.960maybe some of the pregnancy center folkscould correct us on this, but at12300:09:33.000 --> 00:09:35.879least my experience and what I knowfrom my wife working at pregnancy centers,12400:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.639Um, I would think the abortionvulnerable category for sure now I will say12500:09:41.720 --> 00:09:46.000for us, Um, on thesidewalks in front of the abortion center,12600:09:46.600 --> 00:09:52.480not only do we see abortion vulnerablewomen and abortion determined women, but there's12700:09:52.519 --> 00:09:58.440a sense in which we encounter abortionengaged women, like they're engaged in the12800:09:58.519 --> 00:10:03.519process of having abortion right, theyhave the money in their hand, they12900:10:03.559 --> 00:10:09.159have an appointment on the books,they're already engaged in that process, and13000:10:09.159 --> 00:10:13.360so it's even a level higher thaneven abortion determined. Is that I mean?13100:10:13.399 --> 00:10:16.600I guess it's the same in asense, but you are we are13200:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.799stopping someone in their tracks on theirway to take the life of their baby,13300:10:20.879 --> 00:10:24.519and the mentality is a good bitdifferent, or at least it's ramped13400:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.600up more than someone who's just consideringan abortion. They're determined to have an13500:10:28.639 --> 00:10:33.000abortion, but they don't have theappointment on the books, they don't have13600:10:33.039 --> 00:10:35.519the money in their hand, theydon't have, you know, all the13700:10:35.600 --> 00:10:39.320things together, ride to the abortioncenter and all that stuff together. Yet13800:10:39.000 --> 00:10:43.039Um, and it kind of putsus in more of a non one,13900:10:43.080 --> 00:10:48.960one emergency situation, right. AndI think why this is important. Yeah,14000:10:50.000 --> 00:10:54.480I think why this is important isbecause we have to come when we're14100:10:54.480 --> 00:10:58.320trying to build that relationship with thepregnancy center, when we're on the sidewalk14200:10:58.360 --> 00:11:01.960calling the pregnancy center saying we havea mom here that's you know, she's14300:11:01.960 --> 00:11:05.919at the abortion center and she waswilling to come and get an ultrasound.14400:11:05.600 --> 00:11:11.200We have to understand that the pregnancycenters are not always going to understand the14500:11:11.279 --> 00:11:16.919kind of emergency nature and the urgencythat we have. And we can take14600:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.639a posture, because I've seen thishappen where we call the pregnancy center,14700:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.559one of our teams calls the pregnancycenter and the pregnancy center says, well,14800:11:24.600 --> 00:11:26.759we're booked for the day and wedon't have any open slots, and14900:11:26.759 --> 00:11:30.360the immediate reaction is, well,this is a life and death situation,15000:11:30.399 --> 00:11:35.360you need to make an open slotnow. That's true, and you know,15100:11:35.399 --> 00:11:39.440if we can graciously kind of helpthem understand this, then we should15200:11:39.480 --> 00:11:43.919do that. But the tendency canbe especially from our perspective and it is15300:11:43.960 --> 00:11:48.320a nine one one emergency situation.Um, we still got to come with15400:11:48.399 --> 00:11:50.919some grace, we still gotta comewith some humility, we still got to15500:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.879come with some understanding that they don'tgrasp that if they're not willing to open15600:11:54.919 --> 00:12:01.399that Um open up their appointments,but we can't just writes them off immediately.15700:12:01.440 --> 00:12:03.080That's the tendency. We want tojust write them off and we're not15800:12:03.120 --> 00:12:09.320sending anybody to them again. Thatis calls for a conversation, sit down15900:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.360with them, help them to understand. Um, as important as going to16000:12:13.440 --> 00:12:16.879the pregnancy center is and get anyultrasound is getting them away from the abortion16100:12:16.919 --> 00:12:20.879center. Still. Yet we haveto understand that even if we get them16200:12:20.960 --> 00:12:24.879there, there's no guarantee that thatmom is gonna stay, stay with that16300:12:26.000 --> 00:12:28.159choice for life. Right. Sowe kind of think if the pregnancy center16400:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.879doesn't open up a slot for her, then they're responsible for the death of16500:12:31.879 --> 00:12:37.440that child. Not necessarily right.And so anyway, all I'm trying to16600:12:37.480 --> 00:12:39.960say is they're not always gonna seethings like you do. Many do,16700:12:41.080 --> 00:12:45.519but but many don't. We justhave to believe the best. We have16800:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.759to come with an attitude of humilityand do everything we can. As Paul16900:12:48.799 --> 00:12:52.320says, and as much as itdepends on you live at peace with all17000:12:52.360 --> 00:12:58.279men. Yeah, and so havingthat initial conversation, if you can,17100:12:58.360 --> 00:13:01.080with them saying this, when Iwhen I say this, I'm in front17200:13:01.080 --> 00:13:05.480of the abortion center. That's mycode for this is a mom who really17300:13:05.559 --> 00:13:09.600is in a life or death situation, and when I've discussed that with at17400:13:09.639 --> 00:13:16.440least the pregnancy be centers around us, they will almost always work around they're17500:13:16.559 --> 00:13:20.240very busy schedule so that they cansee that woman immediately, because they know17600:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.799that's what I've just told them,that this woman is seeing that baby is17700:13:24.799 --> 00:13:30.879is critical. Yeah, and thatcomes really in relationship. Right. We've17800:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.600got to build a relationship with themas much as we can beforehand, because17900:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.120just some random stranger calling nobub onthe phone and saying, you know,18000:13:37.159 --> 00:13:41.080I'm here in front of the abortioncenter and I have a woman who's considering18100:13:41.080 --> 00:13:43.919abortion I want to send to you, you know, it can be a18200:13:43.919 --> 00:13:48.000little off putting or it can bea little bit of like okay, well,18300:13:48.000 --> 00:13:50.799who are you? If you canbuild a relationship beforehand, and thank18400:13:50.840 --> 00:13:54.919God, like many of our teamsacross the nation have done this, and18500:13:54.960 --> 00:14:00.360this is this is probably, alongwith relationships with local churches, this is18600:14:00.399 --> 00:14:03.519probably the most important relationship you canbuild in a city, is the relationship18700:14:03.559 --> 00:14:07.679with the pregnancy center. And soyeah, again, if you have a18800:14:07.720 --> 00:14:11.720pro relationship, you can get onthe phone they know who you are and18900:14:11.000 --> 00:14:13.960they trust you. It really hasto do with trust, right. They19000:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.000trust that what you're saying is accurate, that it really is an emergency and19100:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.080they do need to clear out aslot to get that woman in there and19200:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.679get an ultrasound. Sure. Sogo visit ahead of time, and most19300:14:26.720 --> 00:14:28.080of our missionaries, I think,have done that. They will find the19400:14:28.120 --> 00:14:31.759local pregnancy centers nearby, they willgo visit, they will tour, they19500:14:31.759 --> 00:14:37.639will oo and ah over the amazingthings that these pregnancy resource centers are doing.19600:14:37.080 --> 00:14:39.720And one of the things we do, because we work so closely with19700:14:39.799 --> 00:14:45.879one in particular, that I thinksmooths a lot of um issues before they19800:14:45.879 --> 00:14:50.559ever begin, is, from theget go, delineate your roles. Um.19900:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.840For example, when we come onthe mobile ultrasound unit which the pregnancy20000:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.559center, the Monroe help pregnancy center, sends to the sidewalk, our role20100:15:01.159 --> 00:15:05.679is to go over the obstacles thatthat woman faces, Um, to let20200:15:05.720 --> 00:15:09.879her know that there will be resourcesthat can help her, to tell her20300:15:09.919 --> 00:15:15.960that there will be a mentorship programthat we will talk about later, Um20400:15:16.000 --> 00:15:22.200and UH. And then the theultrasound person, will take over with all20500:15:22.200 --> 00:15:26.120the medical stuff. And we it'svery clear we are not to step on20600:15:26.120 --> 00:15:30.679those toes. Were not medically trained. That is not our role. That's20700:15:30.720 --> 00:15:35.440the role of the sonographer or thenurse. So Um. And then after20800:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.919they see their baby, another rolethat we take over is sharing the Gospel,20900:15:41.559 --> 00:15:46.240and this has worked really well.Before those roles were really clear,21000:15:46.360 --> 00:15:50.600we would tend to go on thatRV for just too long. Too Long21100:15:50.759 --> 00:15:56.279MOMS were worn out, we wereworn out. So having having the roles21200:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.840clear is really important. Yeah,yeah, I would say to an important21300:16:00.840 --> 00:16:07.720part of this is Um respecting theboundaries that they put forth against some pregnancy21400:16:07.759 --> 00:16:11.120centers. Um are more open thanothers in the sense that there so there's21500:16:11.159 --> 00:16:15.720a pregnancy center in UH California andRiverside California, and you actually have this21600:16:15.759 --> 00:16:21.559mentioned in the article that they saidspecifically when love life hit the sidewalks in21700:16:21.679 --> 00:16:25.919Riverside that they saw up to anine increase in women coming into their doors.21800:16:26.360 --> 00:16:30.039It's amazing. And that pregnancy centeractually, when the counselor brings the21900:16:30.080 --> 00:16:36.039MOM from Plant parenthood over to thepregnancy center, they allow the counselor to22000:16:36.080 --> 00:16:38.360come in to be in the counselingroom they even allow the counselor to come22100:16:38.360 --> 00:16:42.960in to be in the ultrasound room. That is a pretty rare situation and22200:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.080we have that same relationship with themobile ultrasound unit from help pregnancy center.22300:16:48.879 --> 00:16:52.679That's not common, though, andso if they tell you you can't come22400:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.639in, don't be offended. Ifthey say, well, this is this22500:16:55.720 --> 00:16:59.240is kind of where your job endsand our job begins. Don't be offended22600:16:59.240 --> 00:17:03.840by that. Honor the boundaries thatthey set forth. After all, they're22700:17:03.840 --> 00:17:07.720the ones that own the building orthe mobile unit, they own the ultrasound22800:17:07.759 --> 00:17:15.279they trained and um either you knowhired the nurse or that nurses of volunteers.22900:17:15.400 --> 00:17:18.480Either way, they've put the resourcesinto that and as much as we23000:17:18.559 --> 00:17:22.079might not like the boundaries that theyset, we have to honor them.23100:17:22.119 --> 00:17:26.960And who knows, as you buildrelationship and gain trust, they'll maybe be23200:17:26.039 --> 00:17:30.920more open. But you still haveto honor what they say and just don't23300:17:30.920 --> 00:17:33.079be offended by it because, afterall, that's their ministry and they have23400:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.880to stand before the Lord for whatthey do with what he's given them.23500:17:37.119 --> 00:17:41.559Right. One of the things asa new counselor that upset me is I23600:17:41.559 --> 00:17:45.960would get the mom to the pregnancyresource center and they wouldn't tell us if23700:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.359the mom chose life and I rememberfeeling, I guess, offended. Uh,23800:17:51.400 --> 00:17:53.880that, you know I did.They would have had this mom if23900:17:53.920 --> 00:18:00.200if our counselors had not been outthere and it it's so encouraging to know24000:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.279if the mom chose life or not. And they would not share that and24100:18:03.319 --> 00:18:07.599they can't. So you know,some are more careful about that than others.24200:18:07.799 --> 00:18:12.319But Um, the hippo laws doprevent them from sharing details of that24300:18:12.359 --> 00:18:17.079particular mom. So we we needto know that that is that is going24400:18:17.119 --> 00:18:21.519to be the case. If yougo on the mobile ultrasound unit, if24500:18:21.559 --> 00:18:26.440they or or into the back roomat a PRC, you are also bound24600:18:26.880 --> 00:18:30.960by those hippo laws for privacy.So you may be able to say things24700:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.400very generally so that no one couldidentify that woman, but you have to24800:18:34.480 --> 00:18:44.000be so careful about the hippo lawsguarding that Woman's privacy. So, UM,24900:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.200one of the issues that has comeup recently a couple of times some25000:18:48.319 --> 00:18:51.599of our missionaries have said, well, what if the mom says yes,25100:18:51.759 --> 00:18:56.440I will go on, Um,the free ultrasound at the pregnancy resource center,25200:18:56.480 --> 00:18:59.920but I don't have a car,I don't have a ride. I'd25300:19:00.200 --> 00:19:03.759of money for an Uber and theyhave, our missionaries have said, well,25400:19:03.759 --> 00:19:07.559what do we do? Yeah,what? What's our policy? Yeah,25500:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.279well, I mean we talked aboutthis a little bit and we don't25600:19:11.319 --> 00:19:15.119have any official policy. Maybe someguidelines, some things that are helpful.25700:19:15.519 --> 00:19:18.920I mean, I know our teamin New York City. So New York25800:19:18.960 --> 00:19:23.200City is definitely, Um, adifferent animal altogether. It seems that most25900:19:23.240 --> 00:19:26.519of the women come from the subwaywalking to the abortion center where our team26000:19:26.519 --> 00:19:30.599there reaches out, and there havebeen situations where, you know, they're26100:19:30.640 --> 00:19:33.440offering them a free ultrasound from aplace down the road. I think it's26200:19:33.480 --> 00:19:37.759twenty uh minutes are so away.It's a pregnancy center that offers free ultrasounds26300:19:38.359 --> 00:19:41.519and, Um, they've actually beenprone to ask the woman, Hey,26400:19:41.559 --> 00:19:45.400would you be willing to get inthe vehicle with us? It's it's ladies26500:19:45.559 --> 00:19:48.400that are doing this and I thinkit's good, if you're going to do26600:19:48.480 --> 00:19:51.880that, to do it too bytwo, just so there's accountability there and26700:19:51.880 --> 00:19:56.920there's no there's no opportunity for theenemy to falsely accused or anything like that.26800:19:56.799 --> 00:20:00.599And so they've gotten women to getin their car and they drive them26900:20:00.599 --> 00:20:04.200to the pregnancy center, they drivethem home after that. There have been27000:20:04.200 --> 00:20:08.279other situations and know the suggestion thatwe've given to people is maybe calling Uber27100:20:10.000 --> 00:20:14.440and helpful thing maybe to have ifthat's your situation, if the pregnancy center27200:20:14.480 --> 00:20:18.720is a good ways away or whatever. A suggestion would be. Um Uber27300:20:18.759 --> 00:20:22.559has gift cards that you can get, I believe, and uh, you27400:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.319can get maybe some Uber Gift Cards, figure out how much it costs during27500:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.240that time of day to get anUber from the abortion center to the pregnancy27600:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.079center and maybe you could probably finda local church or some volunteers, or27700:20:33.480 --> 00:20:38.519not some volunteers, some donors thatwould be willing to buy twenty five dollar27800:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.680Uber cards or something. You canhandle that mom or just however. But27900:20:42.920 --> 00:20:45.519those are just some ways that youcan navigate through that. I'm sure you've28000:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.039got some other suggestions, things youwant to mention, Vicky, right.28100:20:48.119 --> 00:20:52.319Well, I I just wanted thoseare the two main ways really, because28200:20:52.680 --> 00:20:57.240you really, if possible, you'retaking a risk that they're gonna just turn28300:20:57.359 --> 00:21:00.359right, right around and come backto the abortion and center. Um,28400:21:00.400 --> 00:21:04.440if unless you take them too insome way or get them to the pregnancy28500:21:04.480 --> 00:21:08.279resource center. They may decide it'snot worth it. So I point out28600:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.599that in the article we wrote aboutthis. There are risks. There are28700:21:11.599 --> 00:21:15.880definitely risks involved if you're going todrive the mom, but when it's a28800:21:15.880 --> 00:21:22.759life or death decision, most ofthe time I have chosen to drive the28900:21:22.839 --> 00:21:30.079mom to the pregnancy resource center andI remember at several times when I've been29000:21:30.119 --> 00:21:33.319able to share the Gospel. Becausethe drive is long enough. The mom29100:21:33.359 --> 00:21:40.640submits her life to the Lord onthat drive and just the likelihood of her29200:21:40.720 --> 00:21:45.599staying firm in the choice for lifeis greater. So there are some really29300:21:45.400 --> 00:21:51.799valuable things that can happen if ifyou drive her uh at, which isn't29400:21:51.799 --> 00:21:55.319gonna Happen if you call an Uber. But either way about it, you29500:21:55.359 --> 00:21:59.839are showing that you care, thatyou are you are you. It's worth29600:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.200it to you to do whatever ittakes to get her to a place where29700:22:03.200 --> 00:22:07.839she can see her baby. Yeah, another alternative too is, and I29800:22:07.839 --> 00:22:11.400don't think we have this in thearticle, but Um like one of the29900:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.480things we have at the windover abortioncenter here in Charlotte. We have oftentimes30000:22:15.480 --> 00:22:19.079at Latrobe, the mobile ultrasound unit, but we don't have that at windover.30100:22:19.119 --> 00:22:22.720There's there's really not a place topark it there and we only have30200:22:22.359 --> 00:22:26.359only one mobile unit that actually cancan be up there at this point.30300:22:26.400 --> 00:22:32.759But the windover clinic is probably fiveminutes or less away from latrobe. So30400:22:32.880 --> 00:22:34.960we're not sending women to the TrobeAbortion Center, but we're sending them to30500:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.559the mobile ultrasound unit. And soElijah, who's reaching out there, has30600:22:38.599 --> 00:22:42.920a card with directions to the mobileultrasound unit's got a picture of the mobile30700:22:42.960 --> 00:22:47.400ultrasound unit. It's got directions.I believe maybe a map drawn, but30800:22:47.440 --> 00:22:49.640at least turned by turn directions andEnglish on one side and Spanish on the30900:22:49.680 --> 00:22:52.920other. So that's another alternative.If you have some cards that are made31000:22:52.960 --> 00:22:56.880up that have directions to the localpregnancy center, you can hand those too31100:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.759the woman. Of course, ifthey're driving Um, you know they have31200:23:00.799 --> 00:23:04.240their own vehicle. I think itis helpful if you can do this and31300:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.359if you have the manpower to doit, if you've got enough people on31400:23:07.400 --> 00:23:11.400the sidewalk to have one of theladies on the sidewalk say we'll follow me31500:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.079there if you can get them tofollow you. Again, if, if31600:23:15.079 --> 00:23:18.279you only have two people on thesidewalk, you don't want to do that,31700:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.519or if you have a smaller team, Um, and it would be31800:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.160a disadvantage for you to do that, then it probably would be best just31900:23:25.200 --> 00:23:27.640to hand them that card give themdirections. I think, though, like32000:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.599you mentioned before, if you're gonnado that, if you're gonna hand them32100:23:30.599 --> 00:23:34.720a card that has directions, orif you're gonna give them directions, get32200:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.680them to put it in on theirphone or whatever. If you can call32300:23:37.759 --> 00:23:42.079ahead, though, like you mentioned, it's definitely good to call ahead and32400:23:42.160 --> 00:23:45.240it can kind of keep them,I guess, locked into that appointment.32500:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.920They know that they're expected to bethere and so it kind of keeps them32600:23:48.920 --> 00:23:52.160with some vision that, Hey,I'm gonna go to this place and they're32700:23:52.200 --> 00:23:55.640expecting me and they're gonna be readyfor me and all that stuff. That32800:23:55.640 --> 00:24:00.440that's helpful to do. Yeah,definitely, people are Um. Are enjoy32900:24:00.559 --> 00:24:04.079being scheduled and they tend to wantto stay with us something that has been33000:24:04.119 --> 00:24:08.920scheduled. So they currently have aschedule to kill their baby and you want33100:24:08.960 --> 00:24:14.039to replace that with a schedule tolook at their baby and hopefully choose life.33200:24:14.880 --> 00:24:18.599The other thing is because the pregnancyresource center is not going to be33300:24:18.640 --> 00:24:22.599likely to call you and and tellyou what happened, for very good reasons,33400:24:22.599 --> 00:24:26.640the confidential reality reasons. So it'simportant that you get the name and33500:24:26.720 --> 00:24:32.079number of that mom so that youcan do follow up because again, in33600:24:32.119 --> 00:24:34.839those first forty eight hours, evenafter seeing their baby, they're vulnerable,33700:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.200they're abortion vulnerable and if you cantouch base with them, remind them of33800:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.960the mentorship program, remind them ofall the help that is available, send33900:24:44.039 --> 00:24:49.279some encouraging Bible verses, it definitelycan help solidify that choice for life.34000:24:49.319 --> 00:24:55.759And you have their numbers so thatyou can continue to keep the communication open34100:24:55.839 --> 00:25:02.000between the mom and you and somepregnancy most pregnancy resource centers do have a34200:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.200lot of resources and Um, andit can be a joint Um, you34300:25:07.200 --> 00:25:11.200know, effort. These moms areusually in great need and it's not like34400:25:11.519 --> 00:25:15.640we're going to provide all the needsand it'll be just hunky dory. We34500:25:15.839 --> 00:25:22.720usually it takes a village a lotof people helping these MOMS. So Um.34600:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440So it's it's important to do thatfollow up. Get, get the34700:25:25.440 --> 00:25:27.279MOM's name and number. Let herknow you will be calling her later,34800:25:27.400 --> 00:25:33.000you're so excited, and then doit. Then then be sure to follow34900:25:33.119 --> 00:25:36.759up. And kind of the lastpoint. I think we're getting towards the35000:25:36.839 --> 00:25:40.720end of this podcast. Um,I was not so good at this early35100:25:40.759 --> 00:25:44.680on, Daniel, you were.And the pregnancy resource center, let me35200:25:44.680 --> 00:25:48.039know. It is. Um,they have donors, they have people that35300:25:48.119 --> 00:25:55.319are looking at social media and,while preserving privacy, if you put something35400:25:55.400 --> 00:26:02.200out on social media about what thisUm Uh uh, in very general terms,35500:26:02.559 --> 00:26:08.559what transpired, give the credit andtag the pregnancy resource center and don't35600:26:08.759 --> 00:26:11.720what I made the mistake of doing, because I do think of them as35700:26:11.720 --> 00:26:18.039such an integral partner. I wassaying our nurse, our pregnancy resource center.35800:26:18.519 --> 00:26:22.079Well, they're not there. Theyare definitely a partner, but I35900:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.559wanted to, I I had tolearn, be very careful that you give36000:26:26.599 --> 00:26:30.960them credit because they deserve credit andUm, and that will help to smooth,36100:26:30.480 --> 00:26:36.240I think, that relationship as well. Yeah, so, Um,36200:26:36.279 --> 00:26:40.000I don't know if there's any othertopics that you want to cover. I36300:26:40.039 --> 00:26:45.039would just say again, just reiteratethe need to build relationships, to come36400:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.960with understanding, to realize that theirministry is different than our ministry. Help36500:26:49.039 --> 00:26:55.119them to understand that our ministry isdifferent than their ministry then that there is36600:26:55.160 --> 00:26:59.720a partnership in a in a waythat really, like the Bible talks about,36700:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.960the of Christ can work together,the arms and legs, the fingers,36800:27:03.000 --> 00:27:06.960that toes, the eyes and thenose. And so it's not that36900:27:07.039 --> 00:27:11.039the pregnancy centers um are the onlygame in town or love life is the37000:27:11.039 --> 00:27:12.559only game in town or the mostimportant game in town. Right. This37100:27:12.640 --> 00:27:17.440is all about bringing glory to thename of Jesus and US working together,37200:27:18.000 --> 00:27:23.319and it really is kind of thatthat three three stranded chord working together right,37300:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.200and even, of course, theLord working through it. But the37400:27:26.519 --> 00:27:32.440pregnancy center, love life, thelocal church and the Lord binds all that37500:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.880together so that this three stranded chordcannot be broken, you know, and37600:27:36.920 --> 00:27:41.640it's a really powerful way to showthese women that there is a group of37700:27:41.680 --> 00:27:45.519people that will come around them,the body of Christ, whether it's a37800:27:45.559 --> 00:27:49.039pregnancy center, love life, thechurch, Maternity Hall, whatever Um,37900:27:49.279 --> 00:27:53.359that want to stand with them tosee that there there's no good reason to38000:27:53.400 --> 00:27:56.519have an abortion for these women.There's so, so many resources and so38100:27:56.599 --> 00:28:00.960much help available. Yes, andAmen. There is one other point that38200:28:00.119 --> 00:28:03.599is that isn't in this that Ijust want to bring up quickly. Is38300:28:03.680 --> 00:28:07.200that many, well, I don'tknow about many, but some pregnancy resource38400:28:07.240 --> 00:28:12.960centers do do abortion pill remersal andso knowing if you're if there is one38500:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.920in your area, you can specificallyrefer them to that pregnancy resource center if38600:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.240they immediately regret taking the first abortionpill. So it's good to know that.38700:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.759Absolutely. Yeah. Well with that, I guess we'll wrap this thing38800:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.279up. We appreciate you guys listeningto this podcast episode. We hope it38900:28:30.359 --> 00:28:36.000wasn't too annoying if we talked overeach other and the recording maybe it was39000:28:36.039 --> 00:28:40.720a little, a little off becausewe're recording remotely, but Um, we39100:28:40.759 --> 00:28:41.960hope it was a blessing to youguys. Hope that you will share this39200:28:42.000 --> 00:28:45.960podcast with others. Hope that youguys will leave us a review. You39300:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.319can leave us a review on ourwebsite. So Gospel Center Pro Life Dot39400:28:48.400 --> 00:28:52.440Com is the website. You canleave reviews there. You can leave reviews39500:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.799on apple podcast and other podcast services. We'd love to hear from you about39600:28:55.839 --> 00:28:57.519that. We'd love for you toreach out to us if you have suggestions39700:28:57.519 --> 00:29:00.480of other episodes that we can door questions about episodes that we've done,39800:29:00.480 --> 00:29:03.799you can reach me Daniel at LoveLife Dot Org. Reach her Vicky,39900:29:03.920 --> 00:29:07.319with a why I love life dotOrg. We'd love to hear from you,40000:29:07.720 --> 00:29:14.160but until next time, God blessGod, bless you all. Give40100:29:14.279 --> 00:29:26.200me our love for love. Giveme our life for gratitude. I know40200:29:26.519 --> 00:29:36.519it will cost me my life.Nothing's too precious, and so met you