Why Pro-life Pregnancy Centers Need to Be Gospel-Centered - Interview with Tara Quinn, Director of HELP Pregnancy Center

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:06.440I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me Lord,200:00:06.919 --> 00:00:11.630I am yours. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. This episode300:00:11.630 --> 00:00:14.990we're going to talk with Tara Quinn, director of help pregnancy center in Monroe,400:00:15.070 --> 00:00:19.030North Carolina, about the necessity ofthe Gospel in pregnancy center ministry.500:00:19.429 --> 00:00:34.460Stay with us. I felt showpassish touch your use. Today I have600:00:34.579 --> 00:00:38.770with me Tara Quinn. She's withhelp pregnancy center in Monroe and they're a700:00:38.810 --> 00:00:42.609partner Ministry of ours. On thesidewalks at the abortion centers here in Charlotte,800:00:42.729 --> 00:00:45.289they bring their mobile unit out,and so tea, just real quick900:00:45.369 --> 00:00:48.770introduce what your role is at helppregnancy center. How long you been involved1000:00:49.369 --> 00:00:53.600in that sort of thing? We'rejust celebrated twenty eight years of Ministry.1100:00:53.759 --> 00:00:59.920I actually started the center and it'sa pro life work to let women know1200:01:00.039 --> 00:01:03.640they have other choices, and somy role is really anything that needs to1300:01:03.719 --> 00:01:07.269be done as well. That's howit started and as it's grown, my1400:01:07.469 --> 00:01:11.189role is very diverse. Sometimes I'llcome out to the sidewalk, not often,1500:01:11.269 --> 00:01:17.189but sometimes I've been out here.Sometimes I feels like I'm always in1600:01:17.230 --> 00:01:19.579a car going somewhere to meet otherpeople with the same heart. That's about1700:01:19.620 --> 00:01:23.739the vision of reaching the unborn.And then, and then my favorite part.1800:01:23.819 --> 00:01:27.140She's being inside our doors and helpingto equip the people that are in1900:01:27.219 --> 00:01:30.260their serving so that we can reachthe community. Yeah, yeah, so2000:01:30.659 --> 00:01:36.489are you? You're the executive directorof help pregnancy center or the President or2100:01:36.530 --> 00:01:40.129whatever? You can all of that. It's all of the above and the2200:01:40.209 --> 00:01:42.730servant leader there. Yes, yeah. Well, so in leadership, you2300:01:42.769 --> 00:01:48.079know you you wear many hats andit's can be challenging to try to get2400:01:48.079 --> 00:01:51.959everything done. Understand that dynamic forsure. One of the things, you2500:01:52.040 --> 00:01:55.000know, I've seen with you.We've known each other for I don't know,2600:01:55.519 --> 00:01:59.319is it be ten years or moreat least? Yeah, and one2700:01:59.359 --> 00:02:02.670of the things I've always appreciated aboutyou is sort of the servant leadership,2800:02:02.790 --> 00:02:07.189The Servant Heart that you have andthe end, the understanding that you know,2900:02:07.270 --> 00:02:10.949we're in ministry, that we're notrunning a business, we're not running,3000:02:12.389 --> 00:02:15.189you know, just five hundred,one, c three will, running3100:02:15.270 --> 00:02:17.699a ministry. This is a ministrythat's about Jesus and that's someone what I3200:02:17.819 --> 00:02:21.300want to talk to you about becauseyou have a heart, you've been running3300:02:21.300 --> 00:02:25.219a pregnancy center for almost thirty yearsand that says something the successful pregnancy center3400:02:27.020 --> 00:02:29.699with. I mean, you guyshave got all kinds of stuff going on3500:02:29.819 --> 00:02:32.530there. You've got a clothing ministry, you've got a prenatal clinic, which3600:02:32.610 --> 00:02:37.650is awesome. You're doing the abortionpill reversals there now, which my wife3700:02:37.689 --> 00:02:40.849is the nurse doing that, andthen you had a mobile pregnancy center,3800:02:40.889 --> 00:02:45.960which is the mobiultra sound unit thatpartners with us out on the sidewalks in3900:02:45.960 --> 00:02:49.439front of the abortion clinic. Youguys got a lot going on. Lord's4000:02:49.560 --> 00:02:53.599obviously giving you some vision. TheLord's obviously given you some some backing from4100:02:53.639 --> 00:02:58.669him, right and and that's that'sawesome to see and I really feel like4200:02:58.870 --> 00:03:01.110that you've got some things, whichis why I wanted to have you on4300:03:02.030 --> 00:03:06.469that you can speak to other pregnancycenters that you can speak near. This4400:03:06.550 --> 00:03:09.270is Gospel Center pro life podcast.It's not just about sidewalk counseling. I4500:03:09.389 --> 00:03:14.139want us to impact, you know, pregnancy center ministry, any any ministry4600:03:14.180 --> 00:03:16.500that has anything to do with prolife. I want us to impact them4700:03:16.780 --> 00:03:22.180with understanding that the Gospel is notjust a sort of a side item in4800:03:22.300 --> 00:03:24.099our ministry, but it is thefocus. It should be the focus.4900:03:24.419 --> 00:03:28.330It doesn't always mean we're shoving thegospel down. You know, doesn't mean5000:03:28.330 --> 00:03:30.889that we're shoving the gospel down.People. Starts with everything we do a5100:03:30.930 --> 00:03:32.530season with the Gospel and you havethat heart. Will get into that a5200:03:32.610 --> 00:03:37.490little bit as we as we getthrough the conversation, but I want you5300:03:37.530 --> 00:03:42.759to share kind of how you gotinvolved initially in pregnancy center ministry, maybe5400:03:42.840 --> 00:03:46.120some of your story, some ofyour background and and yeah, just go5500:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.199for it. Well, I callmyself if we're looking at my story,5600:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.719and I think my story reflects alot of other women story. Yeah,5700:03:54.159 --> 00:04:00.150I was one of those church girls, so I truly knew the Lord from5800:04:00.150 --> 00:04:04.710an early age. But discipleship iswhat's so important. Yeah, it's not5900:04:04.949 --> 00:04:10.659just a Sunday morning life style.It's what you do those other six days6000:04:10.659 --> 00:04:14.340of the week, and so disciplingis what makes a big difference for that6100:04:14.819 --> 00:04:17.420in the heart of a believer.And so I was that girl that had6200:04:17.420 --> 00:04:21.579gotten saved on an Easter Sunday andit was very vivid, very real and6300:04:23.860 --> 00:04:28.290I remember it very plainly. Butthen the discipling and then life happens.6400:04:28.329 --> 00:04:32.850And then we have people that gointo high risk categories because of the struggles6500:04:32.930 --> 00:04:36.850that can be in our homes andthings. And so it's never about blaming6600:04:36.889 --> 00:04:42.240other people, but God had adivine order and a structure and when that6700:04:42.480 --> 00:04:46.199gets off balance, then it doesput young girls at rest. Yeah,6800:04:46.720 --> 00:04:49.519and so I really came from anat risk group of had parents, but6900:04:49.639 --> 00:04:55.509alcohol was in my home strongly andand then there was some domestic violence within7000:04:55.670 --> 00:04:59.829that and it wasn't towards me butbetween with my mother and father. And7100:04:59.990 --> 00:05:03.990and so, you know, justthose things were around me and and I7200:05:04.350 --> 00:05:08.779there were. I had a goodhome on a lot of levels, but7300:05:10.100 --> 00:05:13.339my parents sometimes I say they didthe best they could. Yeah, and7400:05:13.699 --> 00:05:17.379and so that's what I grew upin. And then when I got saved7500:05:17.420 --> 00:05:21.930and I just I wasn't really discipled, I'd go to church even when parents7600:05:21.970 --> 00:05:26.970and people weren't taking me. Itake myself as a kid, and so7700:05:27.290 --> 00:05:31.490I think it's always so important talkingto Christians to understand your youth and kids.7800:05:31.610 --> 00:05:36.160Ministries are so important. You don'talways know. A child can come7900:05:36.319 --> 00:05:40.160and look good at church and butyou don't know what they're going back to8000:05:40.439 --> 00:05:45.040and yes, sure, and soalways have a heart for people to understand8100:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.240the power of working with our kids. And so I ended up in that8200:05:48.319 --> 00:05:53.550act risk group, divorce and thingsin my home, and I never blame8300:05:53.670 --> 00:05:58.389but I ended up pregnant as ateenager. Yeah, I dated somebody older8400:05:58.750 --> 00:06:05.060and them we were engaged and Ifelt that that, you know, we8500:06:05.220 --> 00:06:09.779justify seeing, don't wait. Sure, and and so he loves me,8600:06:09.939 --> 00:06:14.459that makes it okay and all ofthat. And so I became pregnant and8700:06:14.860 --> 00:06:17.500I went to the world for answers. Right. I didn't go to a8800:06:17.610 --> 00:06:21.449youth pastor, I didn't go toparents. My parents loved me. They8900:06:21.490 --> 00:06:25.889would not have thrown me away orkicked me out. But there's a lot9000:06:25.970 --> 00:06:29.610of shame that goes with sexual seeing. Yeah, and a lot of guilt9100:06:29.730 --> 00:06:35.160and condemnation and and so what happened? I ended up in the abortion clinic9200:06:35.439 --> 00:06:39.519and I ended up in the onein Charlotte. There was a plan parenthood9300:06:40.800 --> 00:06:46.399at that time and that's where Iwent. That was the only voice I9400:06:46.560 --> 00:06:48.550was hearing. And I try andtell parents you need to be a loud9500:06:48.550 --> 00:06:51.509voice with your kids, because thevoices are out there and you need to9600:06:51.589 --> 00:06:56.189make sure you're the one they hearthe loudest. Yeah, absolutely. And9700:06:56.389 --> 00:06:59.269so just kind of in the midstof that struggling, in the midst of9800:06:59.310 --> 00:07:00.310that, you know, what amI going to do? The fear that9900:07:00.459 --> 00:07:05.540comes from yes, you and unwantedpregnancy, and that drove you ultimately to10000:07:05.579 --> 00:07:11.899the plan parenthood they did. Andso what you immediately after that? Maybe10100:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.620there's a lot going on. Youknow, obviously may can't get into all10200:07:15.660 --> 00:07:19.170of that, but sort of immediatelyafter that was there was a regret.10300:07:19.529 --> 00:07:24.370was there. You know, Ineeded to make better choices, I need10400:07:24.449 --> 00:07:27.610to get right with God, getback right with God, and that sort10500:07:27.649 --> 00:07:30.079of thing was going on in yourheart at that time. Oh, Daniel,10600:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.759for me it was immediate. Imean before I ever left the abortionist10700:07:33.160 --> 00:07:39.000table, I was convicted. Andyou know, repentance is a gift.10800:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.920brokenness is a gift from God,because as long as we're strong and we10900:07:43.040 --> 00:07:46.350think we have this, then wedon't think we have need God. Yeah,11000:07:46.509 --> 00:07:50.829for me, I because I didknow who god was. The brokenness11100:07:50.910 --> 00:07:56.470was immediately for me. Yeah,and so and and you know, you'd11200:07:56.509 --> 00:07:59.540like to think, oh well,good, life got back on track easy11300:07:59.660 --> 00:08:03.660for you. It didn't, butI will say the mercy of God is11400:08:03.779 --> 00:08:07.180what always Kelpt me in those hardplaces. And so for me that I11500:08:07.259 --> 00:08:13.529remember that day. I was broken. I immediately knew that what I had11600:08:13.569 --> 00:08:16.730done was wrong, and not justwrong, but as a believer, it's11700:08:16.769 --> 00:08:20.209seein. Yeah, and that's differentright and wrong. And then seeing us,11800:08:20.290 --> 00:08:22.769they yeah, some sorry God.You know we like to tell God11900:08:22.850 --> 00:08:26.490a lot. Oh, I'm sorry, but I don't think that's really what12000:08:26.610 --> 00:08:28.000he's looking for. Right. Yeah, you know the word of God.12100:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.159You know it's about a brokenness,of repentance, of acknowledging you're Seein,12200:08:33.720 --> 00:08:37.559and so I did immediately know thatthat that what I had done was not12300:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.519only wrong, but that it wassinful and I had taken a life.12400:08:39.799 --> 00:08:43.909We see those women come out ofclinics up here at latrobe. Oh yeah,12500:08:43.950 --> 00:08:46.470on the regular basis. They're goingin and and they have to do12600:08:46.629 --> 00:08:52.029what they have to do and youdon't understand my circumstances and we're like,12700:08:52.190 --> 00:08:54.629but there's a better way. God'sgot answers, and they go, well,12800:08:54.740 --> 00:08:58.379that's not for me. And thenwe see them come out in their12900:08:58.460 --> 00:09:01.059heads are dropped. Yeah, theydon't want to lick you in the eye13000:09:01.139 --> 00:09:03.220or they're broken and they say thingslike Oh, I wish I would have13100:09:03.299 --> 00:09:07.460listened. Yeah, for me,I didn't have the benefit of that that13200:09:07.659 --> 00:09:11.769day. There wasn't a mobile unitparked outside of that plan parenthood. That13300:09:11.850 --> 00:09:16.049day, for me, there wasn'ta believer out there with a brochure.13400:09:16.570 --> 00:09:20.009There wasn't a voice calling Tara,you don't have to do this, there's13500:09:20.009 --> 00:09:24.360a better way. Yeah, Iwas a scared young girl that walked in13600:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.480and there wasn't anyone on the sidewalk. Do you think, and I'm it13700:09:30.559 --> 00:09:33.639was hard to kind of look backand to know really what your response would13800:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.399have been, but you think ifthere would have been something will counselors,13900:09:37.440 --> 00:09:41.429they're a mobile unit there offer FreeUltra Zone. You think that would have14000:09:41.509 --> 00:09:43.950changed your mind? Oh, Daniel, that's why I believe in the power14100:09:43.990 --> 00:09:46.990of that mobile unit that we have. I think that's why God was able14200:09:46.230 --> 00:09:52.740to use me for that mobile unitto get started. Yeah, was because14300:09:52.860 --> 00:09:58.019I did know the impact it couldhave made. See, I wasn't hardhearted,14400:09:58.340 --> 00:10:01.620I wasn't like, well, blessGod, you can't tell me what14500:10:01.779 --> 00:10:03.500to do. Yeah, I didn'tknow what to do and you know what,14600:10:03.539 --> 00:10:07.090I'm fifty six. I was sixteen. That's been forty years ago and14700:10:07.129 --> 00:10:11.850Daniel, I didn't have a smartphone. I was asking if this is a14800:10:11.970 --> 00:10:15.769life. But I remember the counselor. I had a plan parenthood that day.14900:10:15.769 --> 00:10:18.490She was like, I said,is this a life? And See,15000:10:18.649 --> 00:10:22.120I always wanted to be a mom. I was scared. I didn't15100:10:22.120 --> 00:10:24.799want to be a teenage mom andif one person would have shown me a15200:10:24.879 --> 00:10:30.879picture or said there are fingers andtoes connected to this tissue, I never15300:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.480would have wanted to have killed ababy. Yeah, see, but I15400:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.710was buying the lie as this ababy or not, and my counselor said,15500:10:37.710 --> 00:10:41.750will you define life? Yeah,and I thought, I'm sixteen,15600:10:41.830 --> 00:10:45.070I'm asking you for questions, andyou know when you're sixteen. She was15700:10:45.070 --> 00:10:48.230probably about twenty five. She was. I remember that day. She's in15800:10:48.269 --> 00:10:52.539a pair of jeans on a tshirt and I just remember she looked old.15900:10:52.059 --> 00:10:54.580She seems so much older than methat I thought, well, if16000:10:54.620 --> 00:11:00.620she does it, no, she'sthe expert here, she's there counselor whatever16100:11:00.740 --> 00:11:05.490that meant to them. Yeah,and so I bought the lie because I16200:11:05.570 --> 00:11:07.850needed to keep buying the lie togo through with what I went through.16300:11:09.450 --> 00:11:11.649And the thing is is there's notruth that goes on in those clinics.16400:11:13.289 --> 00:11:16.570Nobody wanted to tell me the traceof profit. It's a for profit organization.16500:11:16.769 --> 00:11:20.000It is all about the money.It has never been about they cared16600:11:20.039 --> 00:11:24.360about women. I think there arepeople in those clinics that are genuinely deceived16700:11:26.080 --> 00:11:28.879and there might be some people intheir thinking they are helping women, but16800:11:30.000 --> 00:11:33.629it's really driven by money. Becauseyou know what, Daniel, there was16900:11:33.750 --> 00:11:37.190not a free abortion for me thatday. Right sure, if, without17000:11:37.269 --> 00:11:41.029my money, without a financial transaction, I would have had to have walked17100:11:41.029 --> 00:11:45.389out that door that day because nobodyhad a had money sitting over there in17200:11:45.470 --> 00:11:48.500the corner saying here, we loveyou enough, we'll do this for free,17300:11:48.539 --> 00:11:52.259or will give you a some moneyto get this abortion. No,17400:11:52.620 --> 00:11:56.179no, it's all about money.Yeah, of course. Now fast forward,17500:11:56.299 --> 00:12:01.299you know, some years. Yes, that abortion and and you know,17600:12:01.610 --> 00:12:05.210I'm sure, some struggles after thatand then struggling with God and then17700:12:05.250 --> 00:12:09.929ultimately your surrender to the Lord.And you surrendered your life early to the17800:12:11.090 --> 00:12:13.929Lord. But really, you know, there's seems like their seasons and times17900:12:13.970 --> 00:12:16.960in our lives where we recommit ourlives to the Lord and then we commit18000:12:16.000 --> 00:12:22.360our lives to not just to theLord in general but to particular calls and18100:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.440serve us to service. Yeah,and you committed your life to the Lord18200:12:26.679 --> 00:12:31.110and service to women like you wereat one point. Because, again,18300:12:31.149 --> 00:12:35.230you know plan parenthood, they're notoffering anything free, but there are literally18400:12:35.470 --> 00:12:39.429thousands, tens of thousands of pregnancycenters around the United States of America that18500:12:39.590 --> 00:12:45.259do everything they do for free.Current one of the things we actually are18600:12:45.340 --> 00:12:48.539calling around in the area we havea resource guide for when we encounter women18700:12:48.580 --> 00:12:50.580at an abortion clinic. I'm sureyou guys have this, to different places,18800:12:50.659 --> 00:12:54.659organizations that will help meet the needsthat we can't, and so we18900:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.250actually called around medical places that willdo like a sliding scale thing for women,19000:12:58.289 --> 00:13:03.090and we call plan parenthood just tosee what they would say and to19100:13:03.129 --> 00:13:05.809see kind of if they had asliding scale thing and and kind of contrast19200:13:05.889 --> 00:13:09.970or some of the resources we found, and plan Brenthood, by the way,19300:13:09.129 --> 00:13:13.679guys, does not offer anything forfree. Everything that they offered there19400:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.960was a fee associated with it andwe found at some of these sliding scales19500:13:18.080 --> 00:13:22.879is a complete rabbit trail. Butbut some of these sliding scale places,19600:13:22.919 --> 00:13:28.070these medical clinics and what whatnot,were far cheaper than plan parenthood. But19700:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.950we with pregnancy centers, you know, with you guys with help pregnancy center,19800:13:33.990 --> 00:13:35.269with the other pregnancy centers in thearea and all over the United States.19900:13:35.429 --> 00:13:39.990These are free services. That's theseare free. You guys have a20000:13:41.110 --> 00:13:45.500medical prenatal clinic, there's and allthat stuff is free. I was not20100:13:45.700 --> 00:13:50.139free. Obviously there has to bedonors and people that that back that prays20200:13:50.139 --> 00:13:52.419God for people like that, butfor the women that come in it's free.20300:13:52.500 --> 00:13:56.529And that was kind of your heartwith open and hill pregnancy center.20400:13:56.610 --> 00:14:00.289What was your heart? Maybe I'mjust assuming, but well, my heart,20500:14:00.330 --> 00:14:05.450Daniel, was I knew you're right. I didn't walk out of that20600:14:05.570 --> 00:14:09.649clinic and just because I was convictedof my seeing, I did repent.20700:14:09.889 --> 00:14:11.759I ask God to forgive me.But you have to realize I'm still a20800:14:11.960 --> 00:14:16.080sixteen year old kid out here struggling, and so my life is a mess,20900:14:16.320 --> 00:14:20.480but I have to go to backto school, I go to work21000:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.629the same day I had abortion,just to keep that lie up with my21100:14:24.830 --> 00:14:28.990family that I'm good. I mean. So I had to keep pretending that21200:14:28.029 --> 00:14:35.629I was good and inside I wasn'tgood. And so I struggled with yes,21300:14:35.750 --> 00:14:39.539I knew enough of God's word.If I confess my sin, he's21400:14:39.620 --> 00:14:43.860faithful and just to forgive us.That's a truth. That was true.21500:14:43.899 --> 00:14:48.740It's still true, always be true. But so many times, with seeing21600:14:48.340 --> 00:14:52.250we sit in judgment of our ownself. Yeah, and and so we21700:14:52.610 --> 00:14:58.450are trapped in that choice. We'renot trapped about forgiveness, but we're trapped21800:14:58.570 --> 00:15:01.610with the con sequences of that choice. Yeah, and the consequences of that21900:15:01.730 --> 00:15:05.409choice, Daniel, is that Iwould always be a mom but I would22000:15:05.409 --> 00:15:11.360never get to pair at that childon earth. Yeah, and so I22100:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.799went for about ten years because peopledidn't talk about it, even though I'd22200:15:15.840 --> 00:15:18.399gotten into church and all of thosethings, serving the Lord, knowing the22300:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.710Lord. You did not talk aboutabortion and church and you were it was22400:15:22.830 --> 00:15:28.350like putting this big unpardonable sin onyour shirt, you know, and and22500:15:28.590 --> 00:15:31.590you were that scarlet woman. Soyou didn't talk about it. So women22600:15:31.789 --> 00:15:35.740have stayed so trapped in that aftermathand the pain of that. And so22700:15:35.860 --> 00:15:39.340when I got freedom, you knowme, I'm free about it. Yeah,22800:15:39.460 --> 00:15:43.259I mean like I'm talking about itnow and I don't. I'm not22900:15:43.379 --> 00:15:46.980being judged by God and he lovesme and he's forgiven me, and I23000:15:48.220 --> 00:15:50.450just knew that what he did forme, Daniel, he wanted to do23100:15:50.610 --> 00:15:54.169for other women. Yeah, andtoo many women walk in those clinics that23200:15:54.250 --> 00:15:58.129should that they don't think they haveother choices. When I was growing up23300:15:58.169 --> 00:16:02.210in my town, there was nota pregnancy center. Yeah, had there23400:16:02.289 --> 00:16:04.960of being, and I've walked inone and somebody would have lovingly sat with23500:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.080me and shown me that God hada plan for me and my baby and23600:16:10.159 --> 00:16:15.159that being pregnant didn't make my lifeover. Yeah, that I wasn't some23700:16:15.440 --> 00:16:21.389bad girl. And so had somebodyand come around me, put their arm23800:16:21.429 --> 00:16:25.110around me, had shown me thetruth and show me pictures of development,23900:16:25.149 --> 00:16:27.590and I could never have gotten ridof my son or daughter. Yeah,24000:16:27.789 --> 00:16:33.220so the ministry really got birth.I say it's Genesis Twenty of what the24100:16:33.259 --> 00:16:37.539enemy intended for evil, God choosedfor good. It was never God's plan24200:16:37.659 --> 00:16:41.220for me to walk in see andget pregnant have an abortion so I could24300:16:41.220 --> 00:16:44.940be here today. But in spiteof all of that, because I turned24400:16:45.019 --> 00:16:49.210to him then God can make goodand turn beauty from our ashes. Yeah,24500:16:49.330 --> 00:16:52.970it's also and so that's what hedid with my life and I just24600:16:52.250 --> 00:16:57.049was tenacious enough to say I can'tbe quiet any longer. And so it's24700:16:57.090 --> 00:17:00.049like I say, I here,I am, Lord, Send Me.24800:17:00.330 --> 00:17:03.120Yeah, I really didn't know whatthat meant when I said but I was24900:17:03.200 --> 00:17:08.079twenty eight years old. And butit's been worth it. Yeah. So25000:17:08.920 --> 00:17:12.759I want to talk about some ofthe things because you guys, you know25100:17:12.839 --> 00:17:17.190you have a lot to offer athelp pregnancy centers that some of the pregnancy25200:17:17.230 --> 00:17:18.910centers that are just getting started maynot have, you know, their pregnancy25300:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.910centers that don't you have the ultrasoundcapabilities and that sort of thing. But25400:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.789I believe with all of the pregnancycenters and just pro lifers in general,25500:17:26.829 --> 00:17:32.140there are some things that you've learnedand some of the things that you've experienced25600:17:32.180 --> 00:17:36.339over the years just being involved inthis ministry that would help you. Know,25700:17:36.420 --> 00:17:38.259you can really I mean right nowyou have the opportunity to speak to25800:17:38.420 --> 00:17:42.420literally thousands of people that would belistening to this podcast and speaking of the25900:17:42.460 --> 00:17:47.809lives of a pregnancy center director thatwas like yourself. You know, twenty26000:17:47.809 --> 00:17:52.410eight years ago and they're just gettingstarted or they've been in this thing for26100:17:52.450 --> 00:17:55.730a while. What are some ofthe things that you would just caution and26200:17:55.849 --> 00:17:59.400some of the things that you wouldencourage a pregnancy center with? Well,26300:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.319Daniel, I think you started thispodcast talking and calling about Gospel centered.26400:18:03.359 --> 00:18:07.839Yeah, I think what we reallyhave to realize and get back to.26500:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.880As wonderful as programs are, andyou know we have a lot of programs26600:18:11.920 --> 00:18:14.990in our ministry, we have alot of classes, we offer a lot26700:18:15.029 --> 00:18:21.190of discipling and as wonderful as thosethings are, we had three points in26800:18:21.309 --> 00:18:26.710our foundation of building our work.It was one that it was to reach26900:18:26.829 --> 00:18:32.180the woman that finds herself in anunplanned pregnancy and knowing that God has a27000:18:32.259 --> 00:18:36.819plan, helping her and letting herdefind what that is. We sometimes think27100:18:36.859 --> 00:18:38.980the girls, the woman shows youngand single own you know that's not true.27200:18:40.380 --> 00:18:45.369You see married Christian women at theabortion clinic and and so it's to27300:18:45.490 --> 00:18:48.410help that woman. She determines whatan unplanned pregnancy feels like in her of27400:18:48.490 --> 00:18:52.849what would desperately drive her to anabortion clinic. Maybe she's an abuse,27500:18:53.089 --> 00:18:59.359abusive situation, Mary, maybe she'smarried to the abuser, or maybe she's27600:18:59.440 --> 00:19:03.680not. Maybe maybe she is youngand she feels her parents will disown her.27700:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.160You know, there's multiple reasons ofwhy women end up here, but27800:19:07.200 --> 00:19:10.710let's face it, it's because theyfeel hopeless, yeah, and helpless.27900:19:11.230 --> 00:19:15.269And so it's so it's to helpthat woman. It's to help the woman28000:19:15.390 --> 00:19:21.829that's already made that decision and thenshe has the penalty and the that she28100:19:21.910 --> 00:19:25.579fills within her own life of theweight of that scene. And so she's28200:19:25.660 --> 00:19:30.019broken and it's affected her life.So it's to help the posts aboarded woman28300:19:30.299 --> 00:19:33.779to know that there's Bible Studies andGod's word that we can put in an28400:19:33.779 --> 00:19:37.650impart to her to receive healing.But really, the first call all should28500:19:37.690 --> 00:19:41.809be on all pregnancy centers should bethe gospel of Jesus Christ. Yeah,28600:19:41.890 --> 00:19:47.529because, Daniel, I could notsave myself. Yeah, I couldn't put28700:19:47.569 --> 00:19:52.000myself back together, I couldn't healmyself. No other a husband couldn't do28800:19:52.079 --> 00:19:56.319it, another person couldn't do it, even a preacher couldn't do it.28900:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.519Jesus was the only one that couldbring healing. And if we don't all29000:20:00.599 --> 00:20:03.200for these men and women that comethrough our doors Jesus Christ, then we're29100:20:03.279 --> 00:20:07.390just a humanitarian work. Yeah,I'm not saying humanitarian works aren't good.29200:20:07.390 --> 00:20:11.789I'm not being critical of them,but but the Lord early on for the29300:20:11.829 --> 00:20:14.950work he's called me to. Iknow that opens a doorway for a lot29400:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.990of evangelism, but the Lord toldme Tara, as good as humanitarian work29500:20:19.109 --> 00:20:22.099is, and it's a good thing, as good as saving babies is,29600:20:22.579 --> 00:20:27.220and it's a good thing, it'sa humanitarian work without the gospel of Jesus29700:20:27.299 --> 00:20:33.619Christ. Yeah, and so Ithink it's easy to get caught up in29800:20:33.740 --> 00:20:37.769programs, but I think the Gospel. We have to keep it simple.29900:20:37.809 --> 00:20:42.410We make it way too hard sometimesbecause we can go and make something look30000:20:42.490 --> 00:20:45.970good. We live in a countrywhere there's lots of resources. You can30100:20:47.009 --> 00:20:49.200even get a lot of money andmake something look pretty. But if we30200:20:49.319 --> 00:20:52.880don't share the Gospel, then wereally think we're the person that's going to30300:20:52.960 --> 00:20:56.359fix them and save them. Yeah, and so only Christ can save this30400:20:56.519 --> 00:21:02.400women. That's, you know,for Sidewall Counseling Ministry. You know,30500:21:02.519 --> 00:21:07.109we have to always make sure thatwhen we minister, we're ministering before the30600:21:07.230 --> 00:21:10.349Lord, because it's easy. No, this is a kind of a little30700:21:10.390 --> 00:21:12.750bit of a different dynamic. Butit's easy for us to get caught up30800:21:12.750 --> 00:21:18.349in ourselves and we get caught upin ourselves. The victories and the defeats30900:21:18.700 --> 00:21:22.220we take ownership of. And sowhen that woman that we've poured into and31000:21:22.339 --> 00:21:26.420we've shared resources and we shared truthabout her baby and all that, and31100:21:26.539 --> 00:21:30.220she walks into that abortion clinic,if we're you know, if we're not31200:21:30.740 --> 00:21:33.930first minister into the Lord, we'regoing to get really discourage and we're going31300:21:33.970 --> 00:21:36.849to think, you know, it'sjust, you know, whatever, whatever,31400:21:36.890 --> 00:21:38.569we're going to blame it on.But it's not about blame and it's31500:21:38.609 --> 00:21:42.210not about taking ownership of the ministry. It's about this is God's ministry.31600:21:42.410 --> 00:21:48.279It is it's God's message that we'rebringing. It's not our message and it's31700:21:48.359 --> 00:21:52.279God's work in the hearts of theseabortion mounted men and women that we encounter.31800:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.839And and so that's really kind ofkind of Segue and into what I31900:21:57.920 --> 00:22:02.150wanted to talk to you about,which is sharing the gospel with an abortion32000:22:02.269 --> 00:22:06.190minded woman. What does that looklike as far as a pregnancy center is32100:22:06.269 --> 00:22:11.470concerned? Well, I think theI have so many of the the peer32200:22:11.589 --> 00:22:17.740counselors there that say this is awonderful place to share the gospel. They32300:22:17.779 --> 00:22:19.619come to you. Yeah, youdon't have to get out and go knock32400:22:19.619 --> 00:22:23.900on their door. or it's justlike the sidewalk counselors. They have to32500:22:23.980 --> 00:22:29.819get out in the elements and theheat and the rank and all of those32600:22:29.859 --> 00:22:34.890things and try and draw the mein where God's put us in a unique32700:22:34.930 --> 00:22:38.890opportunity that they knock on our door. Yeah, they make appointments to come32800:22:40.009 --> 00:22:45.319see us. So that's a uniqueplace that we have. And so why32900:22:45.359 --> 00:22:48.839would we not share the Gospel?Yeah, you know, for me instand33000:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.079why would we? It's why wouldn'twe? Yeah, because their problems are33100:22:53.160 --> 00:22:56.319great. You know, the womenyou serve on the sidewalk. When you33200:22:56.480 --> 00:23:00.869hear why they want an abortion withoutChrist, you're like, well, her33300:23:00.950 --> 00:23:03.029life's out of control. But wehave to put we get to put,33400:23:03.190 --> 00:23:07.710I tell people, we get toput hope back into hopeless situations. Yeah,33500:23:07.869 --> 00:23:11.029so I can't fix somebody, Ican't save somebody, but I know33600:23:11.109 --> 00:23:15.299who can. Yeah, and sowhile I don't have all the answers,33700:23:15.339 --> 00:23:18.819I know the one that does.And so they come in with so much33800:23:18.819 --> 00:23:22.460brokenness. We have the good news. Why would be we be selfish and33900:23:22.859 --> 00:23:26.059not share it with them? Sofor us it's just who we are as34000:23:26.059 --> 00:23:30.089a ministry. So it doesn't meanwe don't help somebody if they don't pray34100:23:30.130 --> 00:23:34.769that prayer of salvation. We don'tBible thump them and beat them over the34200:23:34.890 --> 00:23:41.410hedge and we don't like turn onthem because they're not saying what we want34300:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.200them to hear. But we haveto present the Gospel as believers. If34400:23:45.279 --> 00:23:48.039we really do believe it's the goodnews, then why aren't we sharing it?34500:23:48.400 --> 00:23:52.240So for us it's just an overflow. It's really the purpose of the34600:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.589ministry. And I say, youknow the mission field, or the unborn34700:23:56.869 --> 00:24:03.190and their parents of that, andit's like the Lord brings our people disguised34800:24:03.230 --> 00:24:07.549as with unplanned pregnancies. Yeah,but but that's who we're called to are34900:24:07.589 --> 00:24:12.019those women and men. Yeah,and so the the ultra saynds, the35000:24:12.099 --> 00:24:17.099pregnancy test that close, the diapers, all that stuff. It's just like35100:24:17.460 --> 00:24:22.980the it's the it's what draws themthere. But the real thing that we35200:24:23.099 --> 00:24:26.890want to give away most of allis the Gospel. And you know,35300:24:26.970 --> 00:24:32.089Daniel, it's like you know,we have women that have come to US35400:24:32.089 --> 00:24:37.450multiple times for multiple pregnancies. They'veneeded help and we share the gospel every35500:24:37.569 --> 00:24:41.480time. And she may have comein twenty five times. See, she35600:24:41.559 --> 00:24:44.319keeps coming back, so she doesknow we care about her. Yeah,35700:24:44.839 --> 00:24:49.359and and you never know, itwhat part that it's their day for salvation.35800:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.839Yeah, so we don't pick andchoose. So I don't want to35900:24:52.839 --> 00:24:55.829tell her today. You know,I've told her ten other times because it's36000:24:55.869 --> 00:24:59.150not about us. I think wemake the Gospel be about US way too36100:24:59.230 --> 00:25:03.750much when it's really about Jesus Christ. So you know, you never know,36200:25:03.910 --> 00:25:08.579it could be that twenty second visitthat she hears you and she's ready36300:25:08.619 --> 00:25:12.900to accept the Lord. So we'rejust out there sewing. We're doing the36400:25:12.980 --> 00:25:18.059kingdom work. We're doing I thinkwe were told to go and make disciples36500:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.809and and I think it's just natural. It's what we all should be doing.36600:25:22.930 --> 00:25:26.849Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Oneof the things that I see and36700:25:26.049 --> 00:25:30.049just talking with, you know,pregnancy center directors or just kind of seeing36800:25:30.170 --> 00:25:34.089things on a national scale, seeingstuff on social media and some of the36900:25:34.210 --> 00:25:41.839things that I've experienced in prolife ministry. I've seen a lot of pregnancy centers37000:25:41.160 --> 00:25:47.680sort of going away from a ministrygospel focused model to more of like a37100:25:47.960 --> 00:25:55.390woman centered sort of almost position inthemselves as sort of like a neutral voice37200:25:55.589 --> 00:25:57.670in this thing. So when awoman comes to the pregnancy center, they're37300:25:57.670 --> 00:26:00.109not really saying hey, don't havean abortion, they're just saying, well,37400:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.980here's your options and they're trusting theultrasound, they're trusting medical facts,37500:26:06.259 --> 00:26:10.140which are very powerful tools, forsure they are. They're trusting those things37600:26:10.299 --> 00:26:15.700to change your mind rather than introducingthis whole other, very vital element,37700:26:15.740 --> 00:26:18.690which is the fact that there's aGod and that God cares about that baby37800:26:18.849 --> 00:26:23.170that they're considering happening an abortion andkilling and God cares about them. Do37900:26:23.250 --> 00:26:27.049you see that in pregnancy centers?Are you seeing that yourself and and if38000:26:27.170 --> 00:26:32.569so, does that concern you andhow you remedy that? It's kind of38100:26:32.569 --> 00:26:34.359why I wanted you to have allhave you on here actually? Well,38200:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.839yes, Daniel, after almost thirtyyears, I have seen some of those38300:26:38.960 --> 00:26:47.869cycles and and I have had otherdirectors really say you really mean you share38400:26:47.910 --> 00:26:53.390the gospel with everybody, and tome it's foreign to think we would.38500:26:53.470 --> 00:26:57.349And because what else do we reallyhave to help them with. Yeah,38600:26:57.509 --> 00:27:00.740I'm for me. If I understoodthe call that we were given as a38700:27:00.819 --> 00:27:06.460ministry, it was to preach theGospel. Yeah, so, okay,38800:27:06.660 --> 00:27:11.099that's the call and pregnancy centers.But we don't do it well, I38900:27:11.220 --> 00:27:15.809think then we're making the ministry beabout US instead of about him. Yeah,39000:27:15.890 --> 00:27:18.690and it's about God's kingdom and it'snot about our own. And you39100:27:18.769 --> 00:27:22.930know what, sometimes things are uncomfortable. Yeah, Jesus crosses all cultures,39200:27:22.970 --> 00:27:27.650he transcends all of that. Theword of God is true. You know,39300:27:27.769 --> 00:27:33.279sometimes we change with different seasons andgenerations, but we don't change the39400:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.200truth of why we exist. Yeah, and so, yeah, do does39500:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.920it look different? Do you decoratedifferent and all of that? Yeah,39600:27:41.960 --> 00:27:45.670that's just the simple things. Butsure, the Gospel has to say,39700:27:45.869 --> 00:27:51.630center point. And I have beencriticized as a director through the years that39800:27:51.869 --> 00:27:55.309I'm too Gospel centered. And Yeah, and you know, you go to39900:27:55.470 --> 00:28:00.380certain conferences and this group of peoplethat are the professional somewhere say you shouldn't40000:28:00.380 --> 00:28:06.460have scripture on your wall and becausethey feel like you're going to miss a40100:28:06.619 --> 00:28:11.700group of people and defend and andI'm like, you know, the the40200:28:11.500 --> 00:28:15.849we see so many prodigals that comethrough our doors. Yeah, you see40300:28:15.849 --> 00:28:18.690them on the sidewalk. Yes,sure you're not the first time they've heard40400:28:18.690 --> 00:28:22.130about Jesus. So when you're sharingscripture, you don't know that there's not40500:28:22.210 --> 00:28:26.930a scripture that's been hidden in theirheart as a little girl in Sunday school?40600:28:26.240 --> 00:28:29.960And because you're going to give themodds word and not your own,40700:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.440that can be the very component heuses to stop that abortion. Yeah,40800:28:34.880 --> 00:28:38.759so I think we don't have torub it in their nose, we don't40900:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.910in their face. We don't haveto be demanding with the Gospel. I41000:28:44.109 --> 00:28:47.150just don't think we have to backdown from it. Yeah, it is41100:28:47.230 --> 00:28:51.549the power of God and to salvation. So there's no other way to say41200:28:51.950 --> 00:28:55.740so. To me it's simple,but I have been criticized. I have41300:28:56.019 --> 00:29:00.180seen through the years that they dowant to make them look more like a41400:29:00.579 --> 00:29:06.380woman's center, and I yes,women need help, but I think what41500:29:07.819 --> 00:29:14.250we have overlooked in the early yearsand I do see a shifting and changes,41600:29:14.289 --> 00:29:18.049and I know we have a strongerman's component at our work. This41700:29:18.250 --> 00:29:22.009really should be a ministry about family. Yeah, you know, when we41800:29:22.130 --> 00:29:26.240see more men come in with thewomen and I think as we make our41900:29:26.279 --> 00:29:30.279centers more available for me and wherethey feel comfortable, like where we have42000:29:30.440 --> 00:29:34.400a man counselor that's sitting there waitingon them to come in, they're a42100:29:34.559 --> 00:29:40.269decisionmaker. Oh Yeah, this childis there's he is. I mean,42200:29:40.430 --> 00:29:42.829we could go on and on.scripturally why his roles important, whether he42300:29:42.910 --> 00:29:47.829knows how to fully step into itor not. But I think we've missed42400:29:47.910 --> 00:29:53.940some things because we've not included theman component stronger and and so that is42500:29:55.099 --> 00:30:02.220one thing that we've been doing thepast year, is having male counselors available,42600:30:02.220 --> 00:30:07.250peer counselors, and because it isso powerful, most men in our42700:30:07.329 --> 00:30:11.130center will show up to see anultra sound, right, yeah, and42800:30:11.329 --> 00:30:15.609that's what they show up the mostfor, is that ultra sound. And42900:30:15.849 --> 00:30:19.849so you know when another man cancome alongside of them and they begin to43000:30:19.930 --> 00:30:26.400hear the truth and reality of that'stheir son or daughter. Yeah, WE43100:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.759HAVE A we've missed, I think, that opportunity. But I think God's43200:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.279full circling that and I think he'sstirring the hearts of pregnancy centers to encompass43300:30:34.359 --> 00:30:37.190the men more. But we've missedit if we just say it's a woman's43400:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.150ministry. Yeah, yeah, Imean that's that's true. With you on43500:30:41.269 --> 00:30:45.109the sidewalk and we see men showup with their girlfriends, with their wives43600:30:45.150 --> 00:30:48.869or whatever. If I could reachhim, then I can reach her and43700:30:48.950 --> 00:30:52.339if I can reach him and persuadehis heart to at least go in there43800:30:52.380 --> 00:30:56.339and talk to her. I've seenmen that I've talked to in the parking43900:30:56.380 --> 00:30:57.700lot or you know that are standingin the parking lot. They come up44000:30:57.740 --> 00:31:02.019the sidewalk and talk with us andI encourage him, which means I put44100:31:02.099 --> 00:31:06.089courage into him. He's been deflatedby the situation or by whatever is going44200:31:06.170 --> 00:31:07.890on, and I put courage intohim and I say, man, you44300:31:08.009 --> 00:31:11.970can be the father God's called youto be. And I've put a pamphlet44400:31:11.009 --> 00:31:14.410in their hand and I've watched themgo into that door. Didn't happen all44500:31:14.490 --> 00:31:15.849the time, but I've seen it. Where are they going that door?44600:31:17.210 --> 00:31:18.839A few minutes later she comes out, they hug on the Front boarch and44700:31:18.839 --> 00:31:23.200they've chosen life, because all shewas wanting was for someone. She's scared,44800:31:23.880 --> 00:31:27.559she's young, that's turn times andshe doesn't have anyone that she thinks44900:31:27.720 --> 00:31:33.269is on her side and if someone, especially that guy that she's submitted herself45000:31:33.349 --> 00:31:37.069to in some way, would speakup, then she would leave that place.45100:31:37.109 --> 00:31:40.430And there's a statistic out there andI always miss quoted it, but45200:31:40.509 --> 00:31:45.589it's high, like eighty something percentof women that have had an abortion said45300:31:45.670 --> 00:31:49.420that if the father, that childright would have spoken to them and in45400:31:49.740 --> 00:31:55.380affirmed a decision for life, thenshe would have chosen life rather than went45500:31:55.420 --> 00:31:57.619through an abortion. And so thatthat lets us know that this is not45600:31:57.660 --> 00:32:01.450just a woman's issue. This isa man's issue as well, and I45700:32:01.490 --> 00:32:06.250appreciate the fact you guys recognize thatsome. You know, I've heard of45800:32:06.289 --> 00:32:10.049other pregnancy centers that are recognizing thatand understanding the sort of the male component45900:32:10.130 --> 00:32:15.079of this thing, because even afterthe abortion, men are affected. You46000:32:15.240 --> 00:32:20.079see men who's you know whatever,I don't know if you call it a46100:32:20.160 --> 00:32:22.640syndrome or whatever. You Have PostAbortion Syndrome that they've talked about for women,46200:32:22.680 --> 00:32:27.119but have talked to men who havesomething going on in their hearts from46300:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.190abortions that they took part in orpaid for or or at least knew that46400:32:30.349 --> 00:32:34.430happened, for their girlfriend, youknow, years and years ago and they're46500:32:34.470 --> 00:32:38.109still carrying that weight of that,that decision with them. So this is46600:32:38.150 --> 00:32:43.109a man's issue as well. Iappreciate the fact you guys are are tackling46700:32:43.269 --> 00:32:47.259on that, on that angle toyou know, with that. I think46800:32:47.420 --> 00:32:52.380you know just last couple of minuteshere as we wrap up this this podcast,46900:32:52.779 --> 00:32:57.859or there things that you would liketo say in particular that we haven't47000:32:57.859 --> 00:33:04.369touched on, to pregnancy center directors, to prolife ministers just in general that47100:33:04.450 --> 00:33:07.809you think would be a great encouragementto him? I know, Daniel,47200:33:08.250 --> 00:33:12.730we were the first in North Carolinaas a pregnancy center to bring a mobile47300:33:12.809 --> 00:33:20.279ultrasound unit to a sidewalk. Yeah, and and I think back during that47400:33:20.400 --> 00:33:22.480time period people didn't understand that.They thought you had to choose, you47500:33:22.599 --> 00:33:27.309had to be the sidewalk or bein a pregnancy center, and I don't47600:33:27.309 --> 00:33:30.190think it has to be a choice. I think it's about the spirit in47700:33:30.230 --> 00:33:32.430which we go to those places andserve. Yeah, so you know,47800:33:32.630 --> 00:33:37.789I've had people want to be criticalof sidewalk work and I just say,47900:33:37.309 --> 00:33:40.460you know, if Jesus was walkingthe earth, that's where he would be.48000:33:40.779 --> 00:33:45.220Yeah, that's where people are takingpeople to be killed every day.48100:33:45.779 --> 00:33:47.859That's where he would show up tohurt these broken daughters of he has.48200:33:50.099 --> 00:33:54.890And and so I think we getafraid of what others will think, community48300:33:55.049 --> 00:34:00.009will think. I remember in theearly years with our mobile unit, I48400:34:00.210 --> 00:34:06.250had a very sincere director who wasover a large, you know, a48500:34:06.329 --> 00:34:10.119successful center, and another in SouthCarolina, and I remember her saying,48600:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.639well, what will your donors think? Yeah, I don't know how to48700:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.280think like that, Daniel, becauseI think we're called to be stewards,48800:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.230as leaders and we have to haveaccountability with funding and all of that,48900:34:25.030 --> 00:34:29.670but we have to be obedient toChrist first. And I just looked at49000:34:29.710 --> 00:34:34.070her and said it was a donorthat gave us the money to buy our49100:34:34.230 --> 00:34:39.659first unit. And and so Ithink it's about we have got to stop49200:34:39.780 --> 00:34:47.380letting people that aren't inside our doorsmake the decisions for us. People who,49300:34:50.099 --> 00:34:53.090I think guidelines and manuals and allthose affiliations, I think they're great.49400:34:53.570 --> 00:34:58.570We use them, we're affiliates withlike heartbeat and some of those places49500:34:58.730 --> 00:35:01.210they are and they do a greatjob with things. But we still have49600:35:01.329 --> 00:35:07.480to let God speak to us aboutthe work he's called us to. Yeah,49700:35:07.719 --> 00:35:12.599and so it's great to have outsideresources, but I would just challenge49800:35:13.119 --> 00:35:19.119directors and board members to seek Godabout what he wants for your community.49900:35:19.119 --> 00:35:22.469Yeah, and it's a great placeto get the body of Christ involved,50000:35:22.630 --> 00:35:28.750to serve and and we don't needto be working off of programs. We50100:35:28.869 --> 00:35:32.309need to work off of God's heartand develop it around what he wants and50200:35:32.429 --> 00:35:37.980not what we think. I've toldpeople in our doors before as wonderful and,50300:35:37.500 --> 00:35:40.659like you said, we've got alarge clothing ministry. Some months we50400:35:40.820 --> 00:35:45.820close the hundred plus children in ourcommunity. We have pack and plays and50500:35:45.980 --> 00:35:51.329car seats brand new that we willpurchase and they come and take classes.50600:35:51.730 --> 00:35:54.690We have a lot of other thingsand I have always told everybody if we50700:35:54.889 --> 00:36:00.250ever have to cut back on anything, as great as those things are,50800:36:00.690 --> 00:36:07.039we weren't called to be the diaperfactory. We weren't called to teach some50900:36:07.199 --> 00:36:10.519of these other things. We firstwere called to the unboard and that will51000:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.960always be the call and the Gospel. Yeah, and so sometimes we go51100:36:15.079 --> 00:36:20.190beyond what God called us to andwe look it looks good, it looks51200:36:20.230 --> 00:36:24.230successful, but true success is reallyonly going to be what the Lord puts51300:36:24.309 --> 00:36:28.269his seal on. Yeah, andwe have to get past what man says51400:36:28.789 --> 00:36:30.789and you have to hear the heartof God. For your own center,51500:36:30.829 --> 00:36:37.019use the guidelines, use their resources, but just remember they're just some resources51600:36:37.300 --> 00:36:40.699and nothing can ever substitute for whatthe spirit of God will tell you to51700:36:40.780 --> 00:36:44.619do in your own community. Yeah, yeah, it's a good word.51800:36:44.739 --> 00:36:46.409It's a good word not just forpregnancy centers. It's a good word for51900:36:46.449 --> 00:36:51.570any ministry that we're involved in becauseultimately, like you said, it's about52000:36:51.650 --> 00:36:54.050Jesus. It's not about us,it's not about our personality, it's not52100:36:54.130 --> 00:37:00.329about our our donors, it's aboutthe Lord Jesus, and I appreciate that.52200:37:00.369 --> 00:37:05.840I appreciate our friendship, appreciate thethings that you've taught me just from52300:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.480your years of being in ministry,and appreciate, appreciate you guys. Heart52400:37:09.760 --> 00:37:13.760again, the mobile unit. Havingthat in front of the abortion clinic is52500:37:14.119 --> 00:37:17.309massively helpful, man. It's likea mobile pregnancy center right there. I52600:37:17.349 --> 00:37:20.469don't have to say, Hey,there's a pregnancy center down the road,52700:37:20.510 --> 00:37:22.949I say there's one right here.Just we've seen women step directly out of52800:37:22.949 --> 00:37:28.590the abortion center parking lot and goon that mobile ultra sound unit and use52900:37:28.630 --> 00:37:31.579life for their babies. Awesome,awesome resource, and I know it was53000:37:31.619 --> 00:37:35.940a step of faith for you guysto do that. It was sort of53100:37:35.980 --> 00:37:38.139like ignoring some of the opinions,I would say. You know, I53200:37:38.219 --> 00:37:42.300can't prove this, but if Iwas a betting man, I'd bet you53300:37:42.500 --> 00:37:49.769guys were probably the first, orone of the first pregnancy centers or organizations53400:37:49.849 --> 00:37:52.889to put a mobile unit right infront of an abortion clinic. And and53500:37:53.250 --> 00:37:55.570you know, it is an awesomeresource. Now you have you know,53600:37:55.969 --> 00:38:00.519there's saved the storks. There's alot of pregnancy centers around the US that53700:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.639are doing this and, of course, with you, you know we talked53800:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.199about this before. You're like,this is sort of a no brainer,53900:38:07.239 --> 00:38:08.840right. If we want to ifwe want to reach abortion minded women,54000:38:09.360 --> 00:38:13.429where is the most consolidated group ofabortion mine and women going to be?54100:38:14.309 --> 00:38:16.469Not at a pregnancy center that theydo come to us a lot. It's54200:38:16.510 --> 00:38:20.190actually going to be at an abortionclinic. So if we have the ability54300:38:20.230 --> 00:38:22.230to do it, let's park thething in front of the abortion clinic and54400:38:22.710 --> 00:38:28.659and it is awesome to see momschoose life instead of abortion. Right there54500:38:28.699 --> 00:38:30.500on that side, I can chooseJesus to we see. Let's Roblems,54600:38:30.539 --> 00:38:35.260come to know the Lord and andthat's an awesome thing. So I appreciate54700:38:35.300 --> 00:38:38.579you sharing you're well and with thatwill wrap this thing up. So we54800:38:38.619 --> 00:38:43.809appreciate you guys who who listen tothe PODCAST. Want to encourage you.54900:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.610If you want to connect with Tara. Maybe you're you're a pregnancy center director55000:38:47.050 --> 00:38:50.530and you want to get some wisdomfrom Tara. I'm sure she would make55100:38:50.570 --> 00:38:52.130herself available if you shoot her overan email. I think you can get55200:38:52.170 --> 00:38:58.239in touch with them at what's thewebsite? It's Monro Helpcom, Monroe helpedcom,55300:38:58.360 --> 00:39:00.559and can they get your contact infothere? Just go and yes,55400:39:00.679 --> 00:39:04.199a contact. Yeah, but there'smy emails. Just t quin at Monroe55500:39:04.280 --> 00:39:09.909help. okay, t Quinn,Qu Okay at Monroe helpcom. Okay.55600:39:09.989 --> 00:39:15.550So you can connect with Tara there. We'll put her website address in the55700:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.750the notes on the podcast. Also, you can connect with US Charlotte dot55800:39:19.869 --> 00:39:22.070cities for Life Dot Org, andwe always encourage you guys who want to55900:39:22.070 --> 00:39:27.139get involved in sidewalk counseling. Wehave a website. Called sidewalks for lifecom.56000:39:27.500 --> 00:39:31.260WWW dot sidewalks the number for lifecom, and that's just an equipping website.56100:39:31.619 --> 00:39:35.860It'll help encouraging equip those who wantto get involved in sidewalk counseling.56200:39:36.460 --> 00:39:39.090But we do appreciate you listening.I'd appreciate if you would share this podcast56300:39:39.610 --> 00:39:45.329and and if you have ideas aboutfuture podcast for us. Guess you'd like56400:39:45.449 --> 00:39:50.329for us to to interview or subjectsyou like for us to tackle. We'd56500:39:50.369 --> 00:39:52.489love to do that. We'd loveto hear from you again. You can56600:39:52.570 --> 00:39:59.800email me and we appreciate you.Guys and God bless use, mel use,56700:40:01.280 --> 00:40:23.980give me, give me, costlymy life, but too precious.