Where Were You When Roe Was Overturned?

0:00 And I had in my mind that that picture like. Finally, it's like freedom has come darkness, the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our land, and that's the picture that came to my mind. This veil of darkness that shrouded our land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent blood, has finally been peeled back. I Am Yours, I'm yours, I'm yours, and me Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your past touch your hearty welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us and, as always, we appreciate if you guys would leave us a review. We've been getting a lot of reviews lately. Actually, Oh yeah, I didn't know that. Well, it's it's uh, it's not very encouraging. Actually.

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2:42 think at the right hand bottom, right hand corner, there's a microphone there and you can actually leave us a voice message. So if you have an encouraging thing that you want to leave us, if you have a testimony, even maybe something just took place on the sidewalk that was just worthy of sharing, maybe we'll share some of those testimonies on the air. And if our pro board friends get ahold of that feature, maybe we'll share some of their shenanigans. You're probably not, but if it's fun, um it's something we can treat of the so called pro traice. Yeah, yeah, we might do that. We we did an episode with reading several of their reviews. It's fun to read that stuff, but at the end of the day, Um, we know that what we're doing we're doing for the Lord Right and Um, there's gonna be people that are angry just the fact that these folks are angry with the whole Rovie Wade being overturned. There's just this anger, this angst with pro abortion people, um, and it's really a measure of success actually. It's really actually encouraging to see them sort of, uh, throwing a fit. Now, the Bible says that we shouldn't delight in the demise of our enemy, lest the Lord sit it, and we're not doing that. So we're not gloating, we're glorying and what the Lord has done.

3:59 Amen. And this episode is gonna be about Roe v Wade being overturned and it's going to be in particular about kind of like that historic day. Where were you? What what was going through your heart, what was going through your mind? So we're gonna share some of that from our perspective. And I know many of you, Um, you guys, you, when you found the news, found out about the news reevie way being overturned, you were shocked, you were amazed. Some of you are maybe you're not surprised, UM, but we're just gonna Glory in what the Lord has done and we hope that this will be an encouragement. I just do want to say, though, like to me. It's it's a God thing. It's a God thing through and through. I never would have imagined that we would see in twenty twenty two, that we would see the overturning of Roevie Wade.

4:46 I had pretty much, and this is my lack of faith. Okay, so I'll admit that, but I pretty much thought, well, it's just gonna be in the American history books as something that has always been and always will be. Um Now I had faith to believe that God can turn the heart of this nation back to himself. And but it's just one of those things and it just it's been around Roe v Wade. That decision has kind of stood for almost fifty years right. So it's amazing. It's miraculous to imagine that thing has been overturned. So we're gonna talk about that. I don't know if you have some introductory statements you want to make before we get into well, I was thinking, because I did write something for our love life blog. I did not write an article for this because we're going to kind of just share from our heart where we were that day and what we felt and what happened where we were. But I was thinking, as it was happening about. I remember very clearly where I was. I can picture my whole family when the first man stepped on the moon, which was another one of those kind of pivotal days in history that everybody kind of knows and they remember. When when Um President Kennedy was shot, was another one of those kinds of days where I remember very clearly, and I was little for both of those events, but I remember those so clearly and I think this is one of those kinds of days. Well, I'm remembering where you were when, especially Um, if you're involved in the in the pro life movement in any way, like like we were. So and I share a

6:20 lot of what you said, Daniel, that I I just really kind of never thought it was going to happen in my lifetime. and Uh Yeah, I mean we've kind of been told, we've kind of been indoctrinated with this idea, and it's a lie that Roevie Wade is the law of the land. And of course we know, if you know how this system of government works, the Supreme Court does not make laws, right, they don't make legislation. So it's not a law. Right, road was not a law. So what do you call it. It was a decision that was handing down decision right. It was an interpretation of the constitution that allow because of a person's right to privacy, it allowed for a woman to kill her child in her womb. That was the basis of it. Now, I don't know all the INS and outs. I'm sure there's a there's a lot more than we're ever gonna be able to dig into in that decision, but ultimately we know what it did is it opened up, just so you guys understand those who maybe are not in the know about all this this stuff, and we're gonna talk maybe a little bit about what we did an episode about this.

7:25 What would happen if REV wads returned? How will we UM? So I won't. I won't go through all of that again. But before Roe v Wade, before that decision was handed down in nineteen seventy three, there were already states that had abortion as a person's right, a woman's right. So New York, UH, New York State, I believe, California, I'm pretty sure in nineteen sixty eight or something, California made it Um pretty much abortion on demand. What what happened with Roe v Wade? Was essentially every eight had to allow, according to the Supreme Court's decision and the way that people interpreted that decision, that states had to allow abortion up to viability.

8:09 They couldn't put restrictions on abortion up to viability, and so it made abortion a woman's right, supposedly all across the nation. And so we know Roevie Wade being overturned does not mean that abortion is made illegal. Some people have been saying that abortion is now illegal in the United States. No, it's not. Actually, abortion is very much legal. It's very much legal and in most every state. Even in some states it's more restricted than others some states. Eventually it's gonna be, hopefully in the next couple of weeks or days or whatever, it's gonna be illegal. Um. But there's a lot to that that we're not going to get into because I'm not a constitutional lawyer. I'm not an attorney, Vicky, you're not an attorney, um.

8:52 But we are going to talk about kind of how we felt, where we were at when we heard about reevue waving overturned. Now, you guys know, if you've been watching the news for the past I don't know, since that leak since that draft leak in early, Um, was it in late April, early May? I think it was in May. But yeah, so we kind of, I mean at least there was an understanding that this thing, there's a high likelihood that this thing is going to be a return and of course pro abortion people wanted to put pressure on. The fact that it was leaked was proved that they wanted to put pressure on the justices and maybe even on Congress to make some decisions and to kind of, you know, quote, push back on the infringement of a woman's right to choose or whatever. Death threats to some of the Supreme Court judges, which is just awful, right. Yeah, so there was at least there was an understanding that this could be possible. But really just knowing that something could happen and then it actually happening are two very different things. It was, it was, it was. So I want to start with I happen to be on the sidewalk that day. It wasn't by accident that I was on the sidewalk. I knew we were all getting kind of news that it was going to happen soon and I was actually there. I've been on the sidewalk quite a bit lately because I was concerned. I was concerned for our teams what's going to happen, because there have been so many threats of violence and there

10:24 have has been violence again and vandalism against especially pregnancy resource centers. So I was there and I got um a text from someone who was there at the Supreme Court who had some inside knowledge, who said it's going to happen today. So I was I told our team I thought it was going to happen today and we were all just waiting and I was texting. Well, I was checking my phone every every few seconds and probably two seconds after it was announced I got the text that and I just Um, you know, I can't describe that feeling because it's we've just been doing this for so long and I knew that it would change nothing in our state. If anything, my work was going to now increase right and and that is because North Carolina is not one of those states that it was immediately abortion is going to be made illegal or even more tight restrictions on abortions. But the surrounding states, Tennessee in particular, Tennessee in South Carolina, I think, in particular, and then also Georgia will likely severely restrict abortions and that will push we already see women from those areas, we do. That'll push even more ladies to this abortion clinic, especially here on Latrobe. Yes, so I knew that was going to happen and I knew that this really didn't change. You know, if it doesn't change the heart of the nation, then abortion is not going

11:56 to change, and not not, not to. It's a gospel issue. I truly believe and know that. But to know that our nation was no longer defined as as a place where the rights of the unborn are Um, are just null and void, as as a as a nation, that saying that there's a constitutional right to abortion was now overturned, and that meant a lot to me. So I you know, I I pumped my fist in the air and Um and, you know, waving to all of our team members. We were spread out, following good strategic placement our team, so we're all up and down the road and every one of them looked over and instantly knew what what I was communicating. Um, and then I went to each one, hugging them and taking a picture because I wanted to memorialize where each of us was on the on this day and we're just beaming. All of us are beaming, texting the people that we know and Um posting it.

13:07 You know, rope waite is overturned. So Um. So I had that that mixed feelings of I know that tomorrow we're probably going to face a very disturbing number of people coming in for an abortion, or certainly over the next few days, but for today I just wanted to rejoice, just rejoice, and there was a really we we had. We had organized tentatively the day before, thinking it might be that day. We had already organized, Um, a worship service on our property next door to the abortion center, and as soon as we knew it was overturned, we started texting everyone and saying, Hey, gather, we're gonna worship, we're going to praise the Lord, and we did and a few of the love life of Edmund People showed up. I know you were out of town and I'd love to hear what happened in California where you were, but Um, I think one of the most pivotal stories for me was, um, we're doing the worship service.

14:09 I actually was on the MIC and still calling out to women are over by the driveway so that the rest of our team could could be at that worship service. So Um. But I did see a woman's pull over for UH, the Charlotte City director of Love Life, and get out of her car. I didn't know what was going on at the time, but it turns out she has fertility issues and cannot conceive and she had come asking for prayer. I don't know if she knew it was the day Roe v way was overturned, but I thought how ironic that this woman who cannot conceive is showing up at an abortion center sidewalk where women are throwing their aldren away as medical waste, and it happens to be on the day that that so called right has been overturned nationally. And Jonathan, our city director, prayed with the woman. She turned out to be angry at God, she didn't understand, and he prayed with her and spoke about the truth of the Gospel and she submitted her life to the Lord right right then and there on this historic day. and to me that's what has to happen for for abortion to truly change, and I took it as a very wonderful symbol and omen and just um proof and presence of the Lord at that place. So that's my story.

15:46 That's where I was and that that's what that's what happened on this historic day. They were by the way, they were helicopters circling. There were all kinds of newspeople and they've been. It's kind of flattening out now, but they have been all over the sidewalk trying to interview us. We just refer them onto love life, but it's it's really been kind of a zoo in that respect. But the pro abortion crowd has been surprisingly quiet through it all. So when you guys found out, then obviously I'm sure they found out shortly after, if not at the same time. What was the reaction of the pro abortion people? was there not like something? Okay, so that was interesting. Daniel. I'm glad you asked that because, Um, we were purposely. I had already actually talked with some people. Were not going to gloat. This is no matter what happens, we can't be gloating about this. It is caused for rejoicing. But Um, uh, but you know, we did. You know, I went and hugged everyone and what there was from the pro abortion crowd was dead silence and they all go on their phone and I'm sure they were all checking to see if it was true. No one said a word to me about it. No one said Hey, I'll bet you're happier anything. There was just silence from the pro abortion group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean. Well, I'm gonna read this passage of scripture that has to do with that Um because the Lord has reminded me of this. I've we've been under attacked by pro abortion

17:17 people since we've been doing this ministry. We've seen a lot of really nasty people do a lot of really nasty things and we've seen them come and go. I mean I've watched some people. Remember one security guarden out here some years ago that was really nasty and I was there the day that the abortion clinic finally fired him because he was even more nasty than they wanted him to be, and I watched him to be pretty bad. Yeah, and I watched him walk away cussing because he didn't even have a vehicle at that time. I think his girlfriend or his wife or something worked inside the clinic and so he had to walk, he had to leave walking and get a bus and I remember watching him walk away and I wanted so badly to like just gloat in the fact. Hey, dude, look what just happened to you. You got fired, ha ha ha. And then I've seen another, UM, really nasty pro abortion lady who used to come out. This is probably about ten years ago or something and, Um, I watched the clinic tell her to leave as well, and I watched the look on her face, like she was heartbroken. This clinic that had encouraged her to come and counter protest told her to leave because she was doing some risky things that really wasn't helpful, according to them right, and they had asked her to come, and I watched her just to look on her face was kind of heartbreaking because she was like surprised that they told her you have to get off our property and you have to leave. How bad much do you be to be rejected by right? But then a brother reminded me of this scripture. This is proverb, verse Seventeen, that says do not rejoice when your enemy falls and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles. Verse Eighteen.

18:48 Less the Lord see it, and it displeased him and he turned away his wrath from him. So we rejoice in what the Lord has done, but we don't need to gloat and rejoice that our enemies fall Um. And that's really not what this is about anyway. This is not about pro aborts, this is not about the pro abortion contingency in the United States of America. It's not about Democrats losing. It's about little babies being valued as human beings, at least in some measure, at least not being devalued because that Supreme Court decision, Roe v Wade, in a sense, well, not in a sense, I think. Plainly just said they are not persons, that unborn child is not a person, and so we've seen that overturn. I believe it's it's a in a sense. Again, it's not about pro aborts, it's not about the Democrat Party, it's not about the Supreme Court.

19:38 It's about the Lord. It's about what God's words says actually being being agreed with, right that human beings are are made in the image of God, that human beings are persons because they're human beings. Um, and so that's what's about. So we can rejoice, we're gonna have to gloat. Um. I think in a sense, like we need to understand where these pro abortion people are at, as misguided, as misdirected as these people are, as full of demons as some of them are. Um, they just lost something that's very precious to them. And again, we know it's ridiculous a woman's right to choose. It's not about that. It's about murdering, murdering children. Um. But we need to understand where these people are at and we need to pray that their eyes are open to the reality that what they were supporting was the murder of children. Maybe, somehow this could bring that reality to them, and so I think understanding that is helpful. Having a heart posture before the Lord, because certainly we don't want to gloat and mock pro abortion people in the Democrat Party or whatever. And then, as that scripture says, the Lord like turned back his wrath. Right, the Lord somehow just lets us, as a nation, go back into that whole that that just wicked direction of basically supporting the murder of children inside right. Yeah, and I will tell you I've been so just honored and out to stand alongside our team members, because I have not seen one moment of gloating or mocking the pro abortion crowd. What I have seen is a heart that is

21:11 just so um kind and I think, if anything, praying more for the probortion group. And literally yesterday we surrounded a young lady who's brother is in the hospital and she's on the other side. She's probortioned but Um, we're all heartbroken for her. Her brother could die and we just we prayed for her, we laid her hands on her and prayed for her, and that's that is overwhelmingly the response to the people that I know. Yeah, it's important that we ourselves are not proud of the overturning of road vie way, but we're humbled by it because who could imagine again in that we would see this if it didn't happen? You know, when we had think about it, right now we have Joe Biden in office. He's like, you know, I don't know if he himself, but he's certainly controlled by some of the most radical pro abortion people that have ever existed in the history of country.

22:15 Um, the congress is kind of stacked against us and so it's like the power that's in control right now for the most part, is the party that supports the murder of children. So who would imagine that it would be overturned now? But it's only again by the mercy of God, and I'll say this too, this is a flip flip. Benham said this. Yesterday we did a celebration of just of him and his life and his dedication to the Lord and to overturn Roevie weight. He literally Baptized Jane Roe of Roe v Waight. Normal cory been in been pro life warrior for what? Fifties, sixty? Well, not ever since, ever since Roe was handed down.

22:57 So fifty years, almost fifty years, a little less than that. Actually. He came into this battle in the early eighties, maybe mid eighties, because really before and I won't get into all his testimony, probably should do an interview with him and a long time ago I did one. Maybe you should do another one. But he was actually a pro abortion pastor. Like he he thought that abortion was just a woman's right to choose and all that, until he had an encounter with the Lord and the truth was spoken to him. Um. But what I was getting at is he he mentioned how God used the Jawbone of a donkey to slay his enemies, Donald Trump, and I don't care what you think about that guy. I don't care what you guys that are listening think. Many of you love the Guy, many of you can't stand the guy, some of you voted, some of you didn't vote for him. But, whatever you think of the Guy, God used that man to put three justices on that Supreme Court that ultimately he used to overturn this Roe v way decision. And, if you think about it too, this is kind of fun. We always hear a pro abortion friends talking about white men controlling women's bodies. Right, white men should have no say in a woman's body. In nineteen seventy three, who made that that that Roe v Way Decision? Was All white men, right now here in two who made the decision to overturn Roe v Way? It was some white men, but also a black man and a woman. Right. So the Supreme Court is more diverse now than it was then and it's that diverse

24:32 supreme court that overturned that that decision from a pretty much monolithic group of people back in and so that's amazing. This is just miraculous what the Lord has done and what the Lord has used to overturn this decision. So I'll share. Yeah, I wanted to hear because I haven't heard really what happened where you were, where you were and what the response was around you. So I was actually Um and I was in northern Californ and there was a march for life in northern California, Sacramento, and so I was there. But then that was on a Wednesday and then shortly after Um and that that afternoon, that evening, I flew up to Washington state. So I was in Washington State, which is pretty pretty pro abortion right that nothing much is gonna Change, if anything is going to change in Washington state after the overturning, in Ruby way just like California. Um, but it's it's a dark place.

25:23 Let me just tell you. There's a lot of our team there suffers a lot of opposition. Their church got vandalized by the people that are threatening vandalism for churches and for Um life pregnancy centers. A pregnancy center locally there got vandalized as well. So it's a pretty hostile area. So I'm thinking, and this is you know, I'm there on a Thursday, on the Thursday before Um in Washington state, and I'm gonna be there for the next couple of days. I'm thinking if this decision does get handed down, like I'm probably in the worst place you could be, um. And so that Friday morning. So I remember that. I'm on three hours Um time difference.

26:03 So ten o'clock, I think it was. It was just shortly after ten, so it would have been like shortly after seven years time. Yeah, and I'm not a super early rise. Okay, I'll only get up about seven, maybe a little bit before seven, and so I think I was up at like seven. As a matter of fact. I think I was awakened by a text message, Um, from another guy, I want name, and you and I were in that and I think that was probably the first communication I got during that day. And I'm like you, I'm kind of like rubbing my eyes, I'm like looking like is this? Is this for real? Like in my sleep, am I awake? Is this a dream? Is it a dreaming? And then in my mind, this is the picture that I saw. And you, you won't relate to this because you're not a star wars person right now, but I've seen it.

26:53 Watched return of the Jedi, I don't remember. I saw the first one return of the Jedi, which is my face favorite star wars episode, episode six right of the series, turned into Jedi Um at the very end, after the forces of darkness are defeated, because in that episode you had the e walks, right, they were kind of some main characters there. So once the empire was taken down, once the Um, the death star, was blown up, you had all across all of the planets and all of the areas, everybody was rejoicings, like this big party, and I had in my mind that that picture like finally, it's like freedom has come darkness, the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our land, and that's the picture that came to my mind. This veil of darkness that shrouded our land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent blood, has finally been peeled back and I really believe that this could be an opportunity for this nation to turn back to the Lord. Yeah, I think so too, even the like we said, not much is going to change in some states, at least as a nation, we have repented of our support of the shedding of innocent blood. We have repented and we've decided no longer will we have this in our land? Yeah, I I had a dream. It was I think it was the night that it was overturned and I really hadn't thought much about it, but I knew it was probably a significant dream.

28:23 But I was in my van and hit reverse by accident. I was trying to escape an evil enemy and my and I end up hitting reverse instead of like going forward and ended up backing into the river and my van just was going deep underwater and the water was over me, it was all around me and I knew there was no way out, no escape. I knew Eva was going to win. And somehow I opened the door, which you can't really do when you're underwater and your door is closed, but I opened the door and not only did I make it safely to the surface, but I pushed my van out of the river and on to dry land and the evil was gone. And that to me was a picture kind of of the enormity of what I felt, that I not that I had done the impossible, but but that somehow, um the impossible had been empowered to be done and I was an instrument of it. And that's kind of how I think.

29:30 A lot of pro life. People are feeling that we have been used by God and we got to see something we never expected to see. That was just glorious. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And on that particular day, after rejoicing over there, returning of Rovy Wade, I was actually doing what we call a one hour journey with some pastors. So that's when we bring pastors out for one hour to pray in front of the abortion center. Said, a group of Pastors and ministry leaders come out to the side walk in front of a Plant parenthood there in Washington's eight and we had an awesome time of prayer. There was some pro abortion opposition there, but it was really pretty tame actually, which is a surprise. And that was a large number of pastors, wasn't it? Yeah, people, maybe, and Um, it was good just to be there praying, worshiping the Lord, the the I guess excitement, maybe euphoria, it's too strong a word. Maybe that's the right word it was. It was evident in the crowd and our folks, but also, of course, this concern that these pro abortion people are gonna who knows what they're gonna do, be violent, and what's in their hearts gonna manifest in the streets. Thank God that's not what happened.

30:37 And again, the pro abortion opposition that was out there was pretty mild, maybe, maybe, kind of discouraged actually. And UH, yeah, that's a sense I got that there was very disheartened people. Yeah, so we definitely need to pray for them when encourage you, guess, to do that. Um, but I think we're ready to wrap this episode up. We just wanted to are kind of where we were at, what we were thinking, you know, and we didn't want it to go unnoticed because, you know, we we definitely are just really happy about this development. Yeah, yeah, and it really cannot be attributed to one organization, one group, one I mean, we can attribute it to the Supreme Court, maybe to Donald Trump and put the right people in place, but ultimately we've got to acknowledge this is the Lord, this is the Lord's doing, this is a mercy from God and I think all the more as those those who are called to stand and to speak and to proclaim the gospel of the Church of Jesus Christ, all the more we need to stand up and we need to press into the Lord in prayer and believe God for revival in our land. I believe God can send revival. Believe God will send revival at least one more time to our nation. Or we'll see his holy spirit sweep across this land.

31:52 We'll see many come into the Kingdom of God, including some of those pro abortion people who were mad that that Roevie Wade was overturned. God's going to bring people into his Ken Ingdom. We have to be faithful, regardless of what the Supreme Court does or does not do. We have to be faithful to do what God has called us to do. And remember, abortion is not over in our land right it's still happening, it's still gonna Happen Until the Gospel saturates this nation. Um, we still have a lot of work to do. So I just want to encourage you guys that are out there doing this work that we're praying for you guys, and we appreciate you guys praying for us. Appreciate you guys listening to this podcast. Just encourage you to share this with others, that it would be a blessing, to encourage you to reach out to us. You can reach me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach her, Vicky with why at Love Life Dot Org. Also again encourage you guys to take advantage of our website, Gospel centered pro life dot Com. It's the PODCAST websites. All the episodes are available, new and improved. Yeah, and so we think it will be a blessing to you guys. Also our sidewalks for Life Dot Com website, training and equipping website with articles that we put out on almost weekly basis.

32:58 That will be a blessing to you guys. A lot of other stuff there. So take advantage of those things. But until next time, do bless God, bless you all. Give me our lift for love. Give me our life for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious since I met you