July 7, 2022

Where Were You When Roe Was Overturned?

Where Were You When Roe Was Overturned?

We are all rejoicing over the miraculous move from the Supreme Court to overturn the Roe Vs Wade decision. In this episode, we wanted to share some insights and how we felt when we first heard the news.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.439 And I had in my mind that that picture like. Finally, it's like 2 00:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.599 freedom has come darkness, the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our 3 00:00:07.679 --> 00:00:11.519 land, and that's the picture that came to my mind. This veil of 4 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:17.280 darkness that shrouded our land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent 5 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:23.039 blood, has finally been peeled back. I Am Yours, I'm yours, 6 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:30.920 I'm yours, and me Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome 7 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:36.280 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 8 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.200 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 9 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:53.200 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt your past touch your hearty welcome back to 10 00:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.520 the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys joining us and, as 11 00:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.960 always, we appreciate if you guys would leave us a review. We've been 12 00:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.959 getting a lot of reviews lately. Actually, Oh yeah, I didn't know 13 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.560 that. Well, it's it's uh, it's not very encouraging. Actually. 14 00:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.680 It's a bunch of pro boorts. I think because of the Roade Wade thing, 15 00:01:14.439 --> 00:01:19.239 they're more enraged against us, which is okay. They can throw a 16 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.280 Tantrum if they want to online leave us one star reviews, but you guys, 17 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.760 you can leave us five star reviews and that might counteract some of their 18 00:01:26.760 --> 00:01:32.760 efforts, although they have put a lot of reviews on our podcast. Yeah, 19 00:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.920 we have more reviews on any more reviews of all the pro life podcasts 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.439 on Apple. That's a big deal. I'm proud of us. Yeah, 21 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.319 it's, except for their they're mostly all negative. But either way, if 22 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.799 you guys can leave us a review, we would just find that to be 23 00:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.319 a tremendous blessing. I will mentioned too, before we get into this episode, 24 00:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.959 in the content of this episode, that we and I didn't actually mention 25 00:01:57.000 --> 00:02:02.239 this to Vicky Um, but we revamped podcast website, Gospel centered pro life 26 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.080 dot Com. So good at Gospel centered pro life dot Com and it's just 27 00:02:07.120 --> 00:02:13.439 an updated website. It's a little more accessible. What's easier to search for 28 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.840 keywords. So if you have a particular subject, something that you would wonder 29 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:20.360 have they done an episode about that, you can just put in the search 30 00:02:20.479 --> 00:02:23.520 that keyword and it will show you all the episodes that have dealt with that 31 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:27.439 keywords. Even in the transcript of that episode. It'll find those keywords and 32 00:02:27.759 --> 00:02:30.879 it does a lot better job than our previous website did of that. And 33 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:35.280 then there's also a feature which I probably shouldn't say this because they're pro board 34 00:02:35.319 --> 00:02:38.960 friends might get ahold of it, but there's a feature on the Website Gospel 35 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.479 centered pro life dot Com. If you see a little microphone down, I 36 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.680 think at the right hand bottom, right hand corner, there's a microphone there 37 00:02:46.680 --> 00:02:50.759 and you can actually leave us a voice message. So if you have an 38 00:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.120 encouraging thing that you want to leave us, if you have a testimony, 39 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:59.479 even maybe something just took place on the sidewalk that was just worthy of sharing, 40 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.599 maybe we'll share some of those testimonies on the air. And if our 41 00:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.960 pro board friends get ahold of that feature, maybe we'll share some of their 42 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.800 shenanigans. You're probably not, but if it's fun, um it's something we 43 00:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.599 can treat of the so called pro traice. Yeah, yeah, we might 44 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.159 do that. We we did an episode with reading several of their reviews. 45 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.360 It's fun to read that stuff, but at the end of the day, 46 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:28.800 Um, we know that what we're doing we're doing for the Lord Right and 47 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.360 Um, there's gonna be people that are angry just the fact that these folks 48 00:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.080 are angry with the whole Rovie Wade being overturned. There's just this anger, 49 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.159 this angst with pro abortion people, um, and it's really a measure of 50 00:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.479 success actually. It's really actually encouraging to see them sort of, uh, 51 00:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.479 throwing a fit. Now, the Bible says that we shouldn't delight in the 52 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.840 demise of our enemy, lest the Lord sit it, and we're not doing 53 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.199 that. So we're not gloating, we're glorying and what the Lord has done. 54 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.719 Amen. And this episode is gonna be about Roe v Wade being overturned 55 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:08.000 and it's going to be in particular about kind of like that historic day. 56 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.520 Where were you? What what was going through your heart, what was going 57 00:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.039 through your mind? So we're gonna share some of that from our perspective. 58 00:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.680 And I know many of you, Um, you guys, you, when 59 00:04:15.720 --> 00:04:19.920 you found the news, found out about the news reevie way being overturned, 60 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.560 you were shocked, you were amazed. Some of you are maybe you're not 61 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.040 surprised, UM, but we're just gonna Glory in what the Lord has done 62 00:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.000 and we hope that this will be an encouragement. I just do want to 63 00:04:30.040 --> 00:04:36.399 say, though, like to me. It's it's a God thing. It's 64 00:04:36.399 --> 00:04:42.680 a God thing through and through. I never would have imagined that we would 65 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.560 see in twenty twenty two, that we would see the overturning of Roevie Wade. 66 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.879 I had pretty much, and this is my lack of faith. Okay, 67 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.800 so I'll admit that, but I pretty much thought, well, it's 68 00:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.480 just gonna be in the American history books as something that has always been and 69 00:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.279 always will be. Um Now I had faith to believe that God can turn 70 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.240 the heart of this nation back to himself. And but it's just one of 71 00:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.399 those things and it just it's been around Roe v Wade. That decision has 72 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.959 kind of stood for almost fifty years right. So it's amazing. It's miraculous 73 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.560 to imagine that thing has been overturned. So we're gonna talk about that. 74 00:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.279 I don't know if you have some introductory statements you want to make before we 75 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.519 get into well, I was thinking, because I did write something for our 76 00:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.879 love life blog. I did not write an article for this because we're going 77 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.480 to kind of just share from our heart where we were that day and what 78 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.920 we felt and what happened where we were. But I was thinking, as 79 00:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.319 it was happening about. I remember very clearly where I was. I can 80 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.040 picture my whole family when the first man stepped on the moon, which was 81 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.879 another one of those kind of pivotal days in history that everybody kind of knows 82 00:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.120 and they remember. When when Um President Kennedy was shot, was another one 83 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.439 of those kinds of days where I remember very clearly, and I was little 84 00:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.800 for both of those events, but I remember those so clearly and I think 85 00:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.600 this is one of those kinds of days. Well, I'm remembering where you 86 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.480 were when, especially Um, if you're involved in the in the pro life 87 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.439 movement in any way, like like we were. So and I share a 88 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:25.720 lot of what you said, Daniel, that I I just really kind of 89 00:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.360 never thought it was going to happen in my lifetime. and Uh Yeah, 90 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.439 I mean we've kind of been told, we've kind of been indoctrinated with this 91 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.759 idea, and it's a lie that Roevie Wade is the law of the land. 92 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.199 And of course we know, if you know how this system of government 93 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.319 works, the Supreme Court does not make laws, right, they don't make 94 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.319 legislation. So it's not a law. Right, road was not a law. 95 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.199 So what do you call it. It was a decision that was handing 96 00:06:53.319 --> 00:07:00.560 down decision right. It was an interpretation of the constitution that allow because of 97 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.360 a person's right to privacy, it allowed for a woman to kill her child 98 00:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.160 in her womb. That was the basis of it. Now, I don't 99 00:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.199 know all the INS and outs. I'm sure there's a there's a lot more 100 00:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.879 than we're ever gonna be able to dig into in that decision, but ultimately 101 00:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.680 we know what it did is it opened up, just so you guys understand 102 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.759 those who maybe are not in the know about all this this stuff, and 103 00:07:20.759 --> 00:07:25.560 we're gonna talk maybe a little bit about what we did an episode about this. 104 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.160 What would happen if REV wads returned? How will we UM? So 105 00:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.160 I won't. I won't go through all of that again. But before Roe 106 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.560 v Wade, before that decision was handed down in nineteen seventy three, there 107 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:43.439 were already states that had abortion as a person's right, a woman's right. 108 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.720 So New York, UH, New York State, I believe, California, 109 00:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.360 I'm pretty sure in nineteen sixty eight or something, California made it Um pretty 110 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:58.519 much abortion on demand. What what happened with Roe v Wade? Was essentially 111 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.720 every eight had to allow, according to the Supreme Court's decision and the way 112 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.600 that people interpreted that decision, that states had to allow abortion up to viability. 113 00:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.720 They couldn't put restrictions on abortion up to viability, and so it made 114 00:08:13.720 --> 00:08:20.399 abortion a woman's right, supposedly all across the nation. And so we know 115 00:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.920 Roevie Wade being overturned does not mean that abortion is made illegal. Some people 116 00:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.680 have been saying that abortion is now illegal in the United States. No, 117 00:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.959 it's not. Actually, abortion is very much legal. It's very much legal 118 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.320 and in most every state. Even in some states it's more restricted than others 119 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.559 some states. Eventually it's gonna be, hopefully in the next couple of weeks 120 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.240 or days or whatever, it's gonna be illegal. Um. But there's a 121 00:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.720 lot to that that we're not going to get into because I'm not a constitutional 122 00:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.919 lawyer. I'm not an attorney, Vicky, you're not an attorney, um. 123 00:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.120 But we are going to talk about kind of how we felt, where 124 00:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.320 we were at when we heard about reevue waving overturned. Now, you guys 125 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.080 know, if you've been watching the news for the past I don't know, 126 00:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.559 since that leak since that draft leak in early, Um, was it in 127 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.320 late April, early May? I think it was in May. But yeah, 128 00:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.799 so we kind of, I mean at least there was an understanding that 129 00:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.360 this thing, there's a high likelihood that this thing is going to be a 130 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.679 return and of course pro abortion people wanted to put pressure on. The fact 131 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.159 that it was leaked was proved that they wanted to put pressure on the justices 132 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:33.600 and maybe even on Congress to make some decisions and to kind of, you 133 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.440 know, quote, push back on the infringement of a woman's right to choose 134 00:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.200 or whatever. Death threats to some of the Supreme Court judges, which is 135 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.039 just awful, right. Yeah, so there was at least there was an 136 00:09:46.120 --> 00:09:52.080 understanding that this could be possible. But really just knowing that something could happen 137 00:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.919 and then it actually happening are two very different things. It was, it 138 00:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.679 was, it was. So I want to start with I happen to be 139 00:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.240 on the sidewalk that day. It wasn't by accident that I was on the 140 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.000 sidewalk. I knew we were all getting kind of news that it was going 141 00:10:11.039 --> 00:10:16.879 to happen soon and I was actually there. I've been on the sidewalk quite 142 00:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.600 a bit lately because I was concerned. I was concerned for our teams what's 143 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.480 going to happen, because there have been so many threats of violence and there 144 00:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.919 have has been violence again and vandalism against especially pregnancy resource centers. So I 145 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:37.279 was there and I got um a text from someone who was there at the 146 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.440 Supreme Court who had some inside knowledge, who said it's going to happen today. 147 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.600 So I was I told our team I thought it was going to happen 148 00:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.759 today and we were all just waiting and I was texting. Well, I 149 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.840 was checking my phone every every few seconds and probably two seconds after it was 150 00:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.320 announced I got the text that and I just Um, you know, I 151 00:11:00.919 --> 00:11:07.600 can't describe that feeling because it's we've just been doing this for so long and 152 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.000 I knew that it would change nothing in our state. If anything, my 153 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.559 work was going to now increase right and and that is because North Carolina is 154 00:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.080 not one of those states that it was immediately abortion is going to be made 155 00:11:22.080 --> 00:11:28.279 illegal or even more tight restrictions on abortions. But the surrounding states, Tennessee 156 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.279 in particular, Tennessee in South Carolina, I think, in particular, and 157 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.799 then also Georgia will likely severely restrict abortions and that will push we already see 158 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.840 women from those areas, we do. That'll push even more ladies to this 159 00:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.039 abortion clinic, especially here on Latrobe. Yes, so I knew that was 160 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.240 going to happen and I knew that this really didn't change. You know, 161 00:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.360 if it doesn't change the heart of the nation, then abortion is not going 162 00:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.440 to change, and not not, not to. It's a gospel issue. 163 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.519 I truly believe and know that. But to know that our nation was no 164 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:15.000 longer defined as as a place where the rights of the unborn are Um, 165 00:12:15.039 --> 00:12:20.399 are just null and void, as as a as a nation, that saying 166 00:12:20.440 --> 00:12:28.759 that there's a constitutional right to abortion was now overturned, and that meant a 167 00:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.960 lot to me. So I you know, I I pumped my fist in 168 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:39.000 the air and Um and, you know, waving to all of our team 169 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.919 members. We were spread out, following good strategic placement our team, so 170 00:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.559 we're all up and down the road and every one of them looked over and 171 00:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.000 instantly knew what what I was communicating. Um, and then I went to 172 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.840 each one, hugging them and taking a picture because I wanted to memorialize where 173 00:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.440 each of us was on the on this day and we're just beaming. All 174 00:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.159 of us are beaming, texting the people that we know and Um posting it. 175 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.440 You know, rope waite is overturned. So Um. So I had 176 00:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480 that that mixed feelings of I know that tomorrow we're probably going to face a 177 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.720 very disturbing number of people coming in for an abortion, or certainly over the 178 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:30.759 next few days, but for today I just wanted to rejoice, just rejoice, 179 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.240 and there was a really we we had. We had organized tentatively the 180 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600 day before, thinking it might be that day. We had already organized, 181 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.039 Um, a worship service on our property next door to the abortion center, 182 00:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.960 and as soon as we knew it was overturned, we started texting everyone and 183 00:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.360 saying, Hey, gather, we're gonna worship, we're going to praise the 184 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.039 Lord, and we did and a few of the love life of Edmund People 185 00:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.320 showed up. I know you were out of town and I'd love to hear 186 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.120 what happened in California where you were, but Um, I think one of 187 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:09.559 the most pivotal stories for me was, um, we're doing the worship service. 188 00:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.000 I actually was on the MIC and still calling out to women are over 189 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.399 by the driveway so that the rest of our team could could be at that 190 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:24.759 worship service. So Um. But I did see a woman's pull over for 191 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:30.879 UH, the Charlotte City director of Love Life, and get out of her 192 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.399 car. I didn't know what was going on at the time, but it 193 00:14:33.399 --> 00:14:41.559 turns out she has fertility issues and cannot conceive and she had come asking for 194 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.039 prayer. I don't know if she knew it was the day Roe v way 195 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:52.360 was overturned, but I thought how ironic that this woman who cannot conceive is 196 00:14:52.399 --> 00:15:01.960 showing up at an abortion center sidewalk where women are throwing their aldren away as 197 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:09.080 medical waste, and it happens to be on the day that that so called 198 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:16.120 right has been overturned nationally. And Jonathan, our city director, prayed with 199 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.240 the woman. She turned out to be angry at God, she didn't understand, 200 00:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.200 and he prayed with her and spoke about the truth of the Gospel and 201 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:30.519 she submitted her life to the Lord right right then and there on this historic 202 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.559 day. and to me that's what has to happen for for abortion to truly 203 00:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.679 change, and I took it as a very wonderful symbol and omen and just 204 00:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.879 um proof and presence of the Lord at that place. So that's my story. 205 00:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.559 That's where I was and that that's what that's what happened on this historic 206 00:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.279 day. They were by the way, they were helicopters circling. There were 207 00:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.840 all kinds of newspeople and they've been. It's kind of flattening out now, 208 00:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.320 but they have been all over the sidewalk trying to interview us. We just 209 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.360 refer them onto love life, but it's it's really been kind of a zoo 210 00:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.919 in that respect. But the pro abortion crowd has been surprisingly quiet through it 211 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.840 all. So when you guys found out, then obviously I'm sure they found 212 00:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.159 out shortly after, if not at the same time. What was the reaction 213 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.399 of the pro abortion people? was there not like something? Okay, so 214 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.080 that was interesting. Daniel. I'm glad you asked that because, Um, 215 00:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.919 we were purposely. I had already actually talked with some people. Were not 216 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.000 going to gloat. This is no matter what happens, we can't be gloating 217 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.759 about this. It is caused for rejoicing. But Um, uh, but 218 00:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.440 you know, we did. You know, I went and hugged everyone and 219 00:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.480 what there was from the pro abortion crowd was dead silence and they all go 220 00:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.840 on their phone and I'm sure they were all checking to see if it was 221 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.799 true. No one said a word to me about it. No one said 222 00:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.720 Hey, I'll bet you're happier anything. There was just silence from the pro 223 00:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.279 abortion group. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean. Well, I'm 224 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.519 gonna read this passage of scripture that has to do with that Um because the 225 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:17.359 Lord has reminded me of this. I've we've been under attacked by pro abortion 226 00:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.160 people since we've been doing this ministry. We've seen a lot of really nasty 227 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.319 people do a lot of really nasty things and we've seen them come and go. 228 00:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.160 I mean I've watched some people. Remember one security guarden out here some 229 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:32.720 years ago that was really nasty and I was there the day that the abortion 230 00:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.640 clinic finally fired him because he was even more nasty than they wanted him to 231 00:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.240 be, and I watched him to be pretty bad. Yeah, and I 232 00:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.920 watched him walk away cussing because he didn't even have a vehicle at that time. 233 00:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.240 I think his girlfriend or his wife or something worked inside the clinic and 234 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.720 so he had to walk, he had to leave walking and get a bus 235 00:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.240 and I remember watching him walk away and I wanted so badly to like just 236 00:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.920 gloat in the fact. Hey, dude, look what just happened to you. 237 00:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.119 You got fired, ha ha ha. And then I've seen another, 238 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.759 UM, really nasty pro abortion lady who used to come out. This is 239 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:10.960 probably about ten years ago or something and, Um, I watched the clinic 240 00:18:11.119 --> 00:18:12.599 tell her to leave as well, and I watched the look on her face, 241 00:18:12.799 --> 00:18:17.400 like she was heartbroken. This clinic that had encouraged her to come and 242 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.440 counter protest told her to leave because she was doing some risky things that really 243 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.799 wasn't helpful, according to them right, and they had asked her to come, 244 00:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.920 and I watched her just to look on her face was kind of heartbreaking 245 00:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.319 because she was like surprised that they told her you have to get off our 246 00:18:33.319 --> 00:18:34.680 property and you have to leave. How bad much do you be to be 247 00:18:34.680 --> 00:18:41.559 rejected by right? But then a brother reminded me of this scripture. This 248 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.200 is proverb, verse Seventeen, that says do not rejoice when your enemy falls 249 00:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.480 and do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles. Verse Eighteen. 250 00:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.839 Less the Lord see it, and it displeased him and he turned away his 251 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.799 wrath from him. So we rejoice in what the Lord has done, but 252 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:03.240 we don't need to gloat and rejoice that our enemies fall Um. And that's 253 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.000 really not what this is about anyway. This is not about pro aborts, 254 00:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.920 this is not about the pro abortion contingency in the United States of America. 255 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:17.039 It's not about Democrats losing. It's about little babies being valued as human beings, 256 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.839 at least in some measure, at least not being devalued because that Supreme 257 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.160 Court decision, Roe v Wade, in a sense, well, not in 258 00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.720 a sense, I think. Plainly just said they are not persons, that 259 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.880 unborn child is not a person, and so we've seen that overturn. I 260 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.480 believe it's it's a in a sense. Again, it's not about pro aborts, 261 00:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.599 it's not about the Democrat Party, it's not about the Supreme Court. 262 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:47.319 It's about the Lord. It's about what God's words says actually being being agreed 263 00:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.400 with, right that human beings are are made in the image of God, 264 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.920 that human beings are persons because they're human beings. Um, and so that's 265 00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.640 what's about. So we can rejoice, we're gonna have to gloat. Um. 266 00:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.160 I think in a sense, like we need to understand where these pro 267 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.119 abortion people are at, as misguided, as misdirected as these people are, 268 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.920 as full of demons as some of them are. Um, they just lost 269 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.599 something that's very precious to them. And again, we know it's ridiculous a 270 00:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.480 woman's right to choose. It's not about that. It's about murdering, murdering 271 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.720 children. Um. But we need to understand where these people are at and 272 00:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.200 we need to pray that their eyes are open to the reality that what they 273 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.880 were supporting was the murder of children. Maybe, somehow this could bring that 274 00:20:26.920 --> 00:20:32.759 reality to them, and so I think understanding that is helpful. Having a 275 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.519 heart posture before the Lord, because certainly we don't want to gloat and mock 276 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.640 pro abortion people in the Democrat Party or whatever. And then, as that 277 00:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000 scripture says, the Lord like turned back his wrath. Right, the Lord 278 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:47.680 somehow just lets us, as a nation, go back into that whole that 279 00:20:47.680 --> 00:20:55.079 that just wicked direction of basically supporting the murder of children inside right. Yeah, 280 00:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.799 and I will tell you I've been so just honored and out to stand 281 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:06.720 alongside our team members, because I have not seen one moment of gloating or 282 00:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.480 mocking the pro abortion crowd. What I have seen is a heart that is 283 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:19.000 just so um kind and I think, if anything, praying more for the 284 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:26.559 probortion group. And literally yesterday we surrounded a young lady who's brother is in 285 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.799 the hospital and she's on the other side. She's probortioned but Um, we're 286 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.440 all heartbroken for her. Her brother could die and we just we prayed for 287 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.640 her, we laid her hands on her and prayed for her, and that's 288 00:21:37.680 --> 00:21:44.559 that is overwhelmingly the response to the people that I know. Yeah, it's 289 00:21:44.599 --> 00:21:49.839 important that we ourselves are not proud of the overturning of road vie way, 290 00:21:49.920 --> 00:21:56.759 but we're humbled by it because who could imagine again in that we would see 291 00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.519 this if it didn't happen? You know, when we had think about it, 292 00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.839 right now we have Joe Biden in office. He's like, you know, 293 00:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.680 I don't know if he himself, but he's certainly controlled by some of 294 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:15.880 the most radical pro abortion people that have ever existed in the history of country. 295 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.000 Um, the congress is kind of stacked against us and so it's like 296 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.759 the power that's in control right now for the most part, is the party 297 00:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.279 that supports the murder of children. So who would imagine that it would be 298 00:22:29.279 --> 00:22:34.319 overturned now? But it's only again by the mercy of God, and I'll 299 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:40.079 say this too, this is a flip flip. Benham said this. Yesterday 300 00:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.960 we did a celebration of just of him and his life and his dedication to 301 00:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.200 the Lord and to overturn Roevie weight. He literally Baptized Jane Roe of Roe 302 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.799 v Waight. Normal cory been in been pro life warrior for what? Fifties, 303 00:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.039 sixty? Well, not ever since, ever since Roe was handed down. 304 00:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.000 So fifty years, almost fifty years, a little less than that. 305 00:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.880 Actually. He came into this battle in the early eighties, maybe mid eighties, 306 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.680 because really before and I won't get into all his testimony, probably should 307 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.920 do an interview with him and a long time ago I did one. Maybe 308 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.519 you should do another one. But he was actually a pro abortion pastor. 309 00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.440 Like he he thought that abortion was just a woman's right to choose and all 310 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.759 that, until he had an encounter with the Lord and the truth was spoken 311 00:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.240 to him. Um. But what I was getting at is he he mentioned 312 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.240 how God used the Jawbone of a donkey to slay his enemies, Donald Trump, 313 00:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.400 and I don't care what you think about that guy. I don't care 314 00:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.160 what you guys that are listening think. Many of you love the Guy, 315 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.359 many of you can't stand the guy, some of you voted, some of 316 00:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.160 you didn't vote for him. But, whatever you think of the Guy, 317 00:23:45.759 --> 00:23:53.400 God used that man to put three justices on that Supreme Court that ultimately he 318 00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.839 used to overturn this Roe v way decision. And, if you think about 319 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.319 it too, this is kind of fun. We always hear a pro abortion 320 00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.519 friends talking about white men controlling women's bodies. Right, white men should have 321 00:24:07.559 --> 00:24:14.200 no say in a woman's body. In nineteen seventy three, who made that 322 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.720 that that Roe v Way Decision? Was All white men, right now here 323 00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.079 in two who made the decision to overturn Roe v Way? It was some 324 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.599 white men, but also a black man and a woman. Right. So 325 00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:32.119 the Supreme Court is more diverse now than it was then and it's that diverse 326 00:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.680 supreme court that overturned that that decision from a pretty much monolithic group of people 327 00:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.839 back in and so that's amazing. This is just miraculous what the Lord has 328 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.920 done and what the Lord has used to overturn this decision. So I'll share. 329 00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.799 Yeah, I wanted to hear because I haven't heard really what happened where 330 00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.960 you were, where you were and what the response was around you. So 331 00:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.759 I was actually Um and I was in northern Californ and there was a march 332 00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.680 for life in northern California, Sacramento, and so I was there. But 333 00:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.880 then that was on a Wednesday and then shortly after Um and that that afternoon, 334 00:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.079 that evening, I flew up to Washington state. So I was in 335 00:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.720 Washington State, which is pretty pretty pro abortion right that nothing much is gonna 336 00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.759 Change, if anything is going to change in Washington state after the overturning, 337 00:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.119 in Ruby way just like California. Um, but it's it's a dark place. 338 00:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.839 Let me just tell you. There's a lot of our team there suffers 339 00:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.720 a lot of opposition. Their church got vandalized by the people that are threatening 340 00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.319 vandalism for churches and for Um life pregnancy centers. A pregnancy center locally there 341 00:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.279 got vandalized as well. So it's a pretty hostile area. So I'm thinking, 342 00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.000 and this is you know, I'm there on a Thursday, on the 343 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.079 Thursday before Um in Washington state, and I'm gonna be there for the next 344 00:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.720 couple of days. I'm thinking if this decision does get handed down, like 345 00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.240 I'm probably in the worst place you could be, um. And so that 346 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.359 Friday morning. So I remember that. I'm on three hours Um time difference. 347 00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.119 So ten o'clock, I think it was. It was just shortly after 348 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.359 ten, so it would have been like shortly after seven years time. Yeah, 349 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.160 and I'm not a super early rise. Okay, I'll only get up 350 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:17.400 about seven, maybe a little bit before seven, and so I think I 351 00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.680 was up at like seven. As a matter of fact. I think I 352 00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.000 was awakened by a text message, Um, from another guy, I want 353 00:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.319 name, and you and I were in that and I think that was probably 354 00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.319 the first communication I got during that day. And I'm like you, I'm 355 00:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.960 kind of like rubbing my eyes, I'm like looking like is this? Is 356 00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.480 this for real? Like in my sleep, am I awake? Is this 357 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.000 a dream? Is it a dreaming? And then in my mind, this 358 00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.359 is the picture that I saw. And you, you won't relate to this 359 00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.359 because you're not a star wars person right now, but I've seen it. 360 00:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.440 Watched return of the Jedi, I don't remember. I saw the first one 361 00:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.119 return of the Jedi, which is my face favorite star wars episode, episode 362 00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.440 six right of the series, turned into Jedi Um at the very end, 363 00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.559 after the forces of darkness are defeated, because in that episode you had the 364 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.599 e walks, right, they were kind of some main characters there. So 365 00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.319 once the empire was taken down, once the Um, the death star, 366 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.920 was blown up, you had all across all of the planets and all of 367 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.359 the areas, everybody was rejoicings, like this big party, and I had 368 00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.119 in my mind that that picture like finally, it's like freedom has come darkness, 369 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.440 the veil of darkness has been lifted off of our land, and that's 370 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.839 the picture that came to my mind. This veil of darkness that shrouded our 371 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.039 land, the the national support of the shedding of innocent blood, has finally 372 00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:55.559 been peeled back and I really believe that this could be an opportunity for this 373 00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.799 nation to turn back to the Lord. Yeah, I think so too, 374 00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440 even the like we said, not much is going to change in some states, 375 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.839 at least as a nation, we have repented of our support of the 376 00:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.799 shedding of innocent blood. We have repented and we've decided no longer will we 377 00:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.319 have this in our land? Yeah, I I had a dream. It 378 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240 was I think it was the night that it was overturned and I really hadn't 379 00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.319 thought much about it, but I knew it was probably a significant dream. 380 00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.440 But I was in my van and hit reverse by accident. I was trying 381 00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.200 to escape an evil enemy and my and I end up hitting reverse instead of 382 00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:40.240 like going forward and ended up backing into the river and my van just was 383 00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.599 going deep underwater and the water was over me, it was all around me 384 00:28:45.720 --> 00:28:51.119 and I knew there was no way out, no escape. I knew Eva 385 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.279 was going to win. And somehow I opened the door, which you can't 386 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.559 really do when you're underwater and your door is closed, but I opened the 387 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.160 door and not only did I make it safely to the surface, but I 388 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:10.640 pushed my van out of the river and on to dry land and the evil 389 00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.319 was gone. And that to me was a picture kind of of the enormity 390 00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.039 of what I felt, that I not that I had done the impossible, 391 00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:27.000 but but that somehow, um the impossible had been empowered to be done and 392 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.519 I was an instrument of it. And that's kind of how I think. 393 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.359 A lot of pro life. People are feeling that we have been used by 394 00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.440 God and we got to see something we never expected to see. That was 395 00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.720 just glorious. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. And on that particular day, 396 00:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.720 after rejoicing over there, returning of Rovy Wade, I was actually doing 397 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.160 what we call a one hour journey with some pastors. So that's when we 398 00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.119 bring pastors out for one hour to pray in front of the abortion center. 399 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.119 Said, a group of Pastors and ministry leaders come out to the side walk 400 00:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.880 in front of a Plant parenthood there in Washington's eight and we had an awesome 401 00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.599 time of prayer. There was some pro abortion opposition there, but it was 402 00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.960 really pretty tame actually, which is a surprise. And that was a large 403 00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.599 number of pastors, wasn't it? Yeah, people, maybe, and Um, 404 00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.799 it was good just to be there praying, worshiping the Lord, the 405 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.440 the I guess excitement, maybe euphoria, it's too strong a word. Maybe 406 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.880 that's the right word it was. It was evident in the crowd and our 407 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.799 folks, but also, of course, this concern that these pro abortion people 408 00:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.759 are gonna who knows what they're gonna do, be violent, and what's in 409 00:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.880 their hearts gonna manifest in the streets. Thank God that's not what happened. 410 00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.200 And again, the pro abortion opposition that was out there was pretty mild, 411 00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:47.319 maybe, maybe, kind of discouraged actually. And UH, yeah, that's 412 00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.839 a sense I got that there was very disheartened people. Yeah, so we 413 00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.440 definitely need to pray for them when encourage you, guess, to do that. 414 00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.319 Um, but I think we're ready to wrap this episode up. We 415 00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.759 just wanted to are kind of where we were at, what we were thinking, 416 00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.200 you know, and we didn't want it to go unnoticed because, you 417 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:11.599 know, we we definitely are just really happy about this development. Yeah, 418 00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.799 yeah, and it really cannot be attributed to one organization, one group, 419 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.920 one I mean, we can attribute it to the Supreme Court, maybe to 420 00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.640 Donald Trump and put the right people in place, but ultimately we've got to 421 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.119 acknowledge this is the Lord, this is the Lord's doing, this is a 422 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.920 mercy from God and I think all the more as those those who are called 423 00:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.920 to stand and to speak and to proclaim the gospel of the Church of Jesus 424 00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.559 Christ, all the more we need to stand up and we need to press 425 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:44.119 into the Lord in prayer and believe God for revival in our land. I 426 00:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.039 believe God can send revival. Believe God will send revival at least one more 427 00:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.039 time to our nation. Or we'll see his holy spirit sweep across this land. 428 00:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.160 We'll see many come into the Kingdom of God, including some of those 429 00:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.920 pro abortion people who were mad that that Roevie Wade was overturned. God's going 430 00:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160 to bring people into his Ken Ingdom. We have to be faithful, regardless 431 00:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.200 of what the Supreme Court does or does not do. We have to be 432 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.279 faithful to do what God has called us to do. And remember, abortion 433 00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:14.960 is not over in our land right it's still happening, it's still gonna Happen 434 00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440 Until the Gospel saturates this nation. Um, we still have a lot of 435 00:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.119 work to do. 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