Where Were You When Roe Was Overturned?

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.439And I had in my mind thatthat picture like. Finally, it's like200:00:03.799 --> 00:00:07.599freedom has come darkness, the veilof darkness has been lifted off of our300:00:07.679 --> 00:00:11.519land, and that's the picture thatcame to my mind. This veil of400:00:11.599 --> 00:00:17.280darkness that shrouded our land, thethe national support of the shedding of innocent500:00:17.280 --> 00:00:23.039blood, has finally been peeled back. I Am Yours, I'm yours,600:00:23.480 --> 00:00:30.920I'm yours, and me Lord,I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome700:00:30.960 --> 00:00:36.280to the Gospel centered pro life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage800:00:36.439 --> 00:00:40.200and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the900:00:40.200 --> 00:00:53.200Gospel. Stay tuned. I feltyour past touch your hearty welcome back to1000:00:53.240 --> 00:00:57.520the Gospel centered pro life podcast.Appreciate you guys joining us and, as1100:00:57.600 --> 00:01:00.960always, we appreciate if you guyswould leave us a review. We've been1200:01:00.960 --> 00:01:03.959getting a lot of reviews lately.Actually, Oh yeah, I didn't know1300:01:04.000 --> 00:01:10.560that. Well, it's it's uh, it's not very encouraging. Actually.1400:01:10.760 --> 00:01:12.680It's a bunch of pro boorts.I think because of the Roade Wade thing,1500:01:14.439 --> 00:01:19.239they're more enraged against us, whichis okay. They can throw a1600:01:19.239 --> 00:01:23.280Tantrum if they want to online leaveus one star reviews, but you guys,1700:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.760you can leave us five star reviewsand that might counteract some of their1800:01:26.760 --> 00:01:32.760efforts, although they have put alot of reviews on our podcast. Yeah,1900:01:32.840 --> 00:01:37.920we have more reviews on any morereviews of all the pro life podcasts2000:01:38.680 --> 00:01:42.439on Apple. That's a big deal. I'm proud of us. Yeah,2100:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.319it's, except for their they're mostlyall negative. But either way, if2200:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.799you guys can leave us a review, we would just find that to be2300:01:49.840 --> 00:01:53.319a tremendous blessing. I will mentionedtoo, before we get into this episode,2400:01:53.319 --> 00:01:56.959in the content of this episode,that we and I didn't actually mention2500:01:57.000 --> 00:02:02.239this to Vicky Um, but werevamped podcast website, Gospel centered pro life2600:02:02.280 --> 00:02:07.080dot Com. So good at Gospelcentered pro life dot Com and it's just2700:02:07.120 --> 00:02:13.439an updated website. It's a littlemore accessible. What's easier to search for2800:02:13.560 --> 00:02:16.840keywords. 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So if you have an3800:02:50.840 --> 00:02:53.120encouraging thing that you want to leaveus, if you have a testimony,3900:02:53.240 --> 00:02:59.479even maybe something just took place onthe sidewalk that was just worthy of sharing,4000:03:00.080 --> 00:03:02.599maybe we'll share some of those testimonieson the air. And if our4100:03:02.639 --> 00:03:06.960pro board friends get ahold of thatfeature, maybe we'll share some of their4200:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.800shenanigans. You're probably not, butif it's fun, um it's something we4300:03:10.840 --> 00:03:15.599can treat of the so called protraice. Yeah, yeah, we might4400:03:15.639 --> 00:03:19.159do that. We we did anepisode with reading several of their reviews.4500:03:19.319 --> 00:03:22.360It's fun to read that stuff,but at the end of the day,4600:03:22.960 --> 00:03:28.800Um, we know that what we'redoing we're doing for the Lord Right and4700:03:28.960 --> 00:03:31.360Um, there's gonna be people thatare angry just the fact that these folks4800:03:31.360 --> 00:03:36.080are angry with the whole Rovie Wadebeing overturned. There's just this anger,4900:03:36.240 --> 00:03:40.159this angst with pro abortion people,um, and it's really a measure of5000:03:40.240 --> 00:03:46.479success actually. It's really actually encouragingto see them sort of, uh,5100:03:46.280 --> 00:03:51.479throwing a fit. Now, theBible says that we shouldn't delight in the5200:03:51.520 --> 00:03:53.840demise of our enemy, lest theLord sit it, and we're not doing5300:03:53.879 --> 00:03:59.199that. So we're not gloating,we're glorying and what the Lord has done.5400:03:59.360 --> 00:04:01.719Amen. And this episode is gonnabe about Roe v Wade being overturned5500:04:02.240 --> 00:04:08.000and it's going to be in particularabout kind of like that historic day.5600:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.520Where were you? What what wasgoing through your heart, what was going5700:04:10.520 --> 00:04:13.039through your mind? So we're gonnashare some of that from our perspective.5800:04:13.319 --> 00:04:15.680And I know many of you,Um, you guys, you, when5900:04:15.720 --> 00:04:19.920you found the news, found outabout the news reevie way being overturned,6000:04:20.000 --> 00:04:23.560you were shocked, you were amazed. Some of you are maybe you're not6100:04:23.600 --> 00:04:28.040surprised, UM, but we're justgonna Glory in what the Lord has done6200:04:28.279 --> 00:04:30.000and we hope that this will bean encouragement. I just do want to6300:04:30.040 --> 00:04:36.399say, though, like to me. It's it's a God thing. It's6400:04:36.399 --> 00:04:42.680a God thing through and through.I never would have imagined that we would6500:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.560see in twenty twenty two, thatwe would see the overturning of Roevie Wade.6600:04:46.920 --> 00:04:50.879I had pretty much, and thisis my lack of faith. Okay,6700:04:50.959 --> 00:04:55.800so I'll admit that, but Ipretty much thought, well, it's6800:04:55.839 --> 00:05:01.480just gonna be in the American historybooks as something that has always been and6900:05:01.519 --> 00:05:06.279always will be. Um Now Ihad faith to believe that God can turn7000:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.240the heart of this nation back tohimself. And but it's just one of7100:05:10.279 --> 00:05:14.399those things and it just it's beenaround Roe v Wade. That decision has7200:05:14.480 --> 00:05:18.959kind of stood for almost fifty yearsright. So it's amazing. It's miraculous7300:05:18.959 --> 00:05:23.560to imagine that thing has been overturned. So we're gonna talk about that.7400:05:23.560 --> 00:05:27.279I don't know if you have someintroductory statements you want to make before we7500:05:27.319 --> 00:05:30.519get into well, I was thinking, because I did write something for our7600:05:30.560 --> 00:05:32.879love life blog. I did notwrite an article for this because we're going7700:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.480to kind of just share from ourheart where we were that day and what7800:05:36.560 --> 00:05:41.920we felt and what happened where wewere. But I was thinking, as7900:05:41.959 --> 00:05:46.319it was happening about. I remembervery clearly where I was. I can8000:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.040picture my whole family when the firstman stepped on the moon, which was8100:05:50.079 --> 00:05:54.879another one of those kind of pivotaldays in history that everybody kind of knows8200:05:54.920 --> 00:05:59.120and they remember. When when UmPresident Kennedy was shot, was another one8300:05:59.160 --> 00:06:02.439of those kinds of days where Iremember very clearly, and I was little8400:06:02.680 --> 00:06:05.800for both of those events, butI remember those so clearly and I think8500:06:05.839 --> 00:06:10.600this is one of those kinds ofdays. Well, I'm remembering where you8600:06:10.680 --> 00:06:15.480were when, especially Um, ifyou're involved in the in the pro life8700:06:15.600 --> 00:06:20.439movement in any way, like likewe were. So and I share a8800:06:20.439 --> 00:06:25.720lot of what you said, Daniel, that I I just really kind of8900:06:26.040 --> 00:06:30.360never thought it was going to happenin my lifetime. and Uh Yeah,9000:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.439I mean we've kind of been told, we've kind of been indoctrinated with this9100:06:32.560 --> 00:06:36.759idea, and it's a lie thatRoevie Wade is the law of the land.9200:06:38.079 --> 00:06:41.199And of course we know, ifyou know how this system of government9300:06:41.240 --> 00:06:46.319works, the Supreme Court does notmake laws, right, they don't make9400:06:46.399 --> 00:06:49.319legislation. So it's not a law. Right, road was not a law.9500:06:49.480 --> 00:06:53.199So what do you call it.It was a decision that was handing9600:06:53.319 --> 00:07:00.560down decision right. It was aninterpretation of the constitution that allow because of9700:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.360a person's right to privacy, itallowed for a woman to kill her child9800:07:03.399 --> 00:07:06.160in her womb. That was thebasis of it. Now, I don't9900:07:06.279 --> 00:07:10.199know all the INS and outs.I'm sure there's a there's a lot more10000:07:10.240 --> 00:07:13.879than we're ever gonna be able todig into in that decision, but ultimately10100:07:14.319 --> 00:07:17.680we know what it did is itopened up, just so you guys understand10200:07:17.680 --> 00:07:20.759those who maybe are not in theknow about all this this stuff, and10300:07:20.759 --> 00:07:25.560we're gonna talk maybe a little bitabout what we did an episode about this.10400:07:25.720 --> 00:07:29.160What would happen if REV wads returned? How will we UM? So10500:07:29.199 --> 00:07:32.160I won't. I won't go throughall of that again. But before Roe10600:07:32.240 --> 00:07:36.560v Wade, before that decision washanded down in nineteen seventy three, there10700:07:36.560 --> 00:07:43.439were already states that had abortion asa person's right, a woman's right.10800:07:43.519 --> 00:07:46.720So New York, UH, NewYork State, I believe, California,10900:07:47.040 --> 00:07:53.360I'm pretty sure in nineteen sixty eightor something, California made it Um pretty11000:07:53.439 --> 00:07:58.519much abortion on demand. What whathappened with Roe v Wade? Was essentially11100:07:59.480 --> 00:08:03.720every eight had to allow, accordingto the Supreme Court's decision and the way11200:08:03.720 --> 00:08:09.600that people interpreted that decision, thatstates had to allow abortion up to viability.11300:08:09.720 --> 00:08:13.720They couldn't put restrictions on abortion upto viability, and so it made11400:08:13.720 --> 00:08:20.399abortion a woman's right, supposedly allacross the nation. And so we know11500:08:20.879 --> 00:08:24.920Roevie Wade being overturned does not meanthat abortion is made illegal. Some people11600:08:24.920 --> 00:08:26.680have been saying that abortion is nowillegal in the United States. No,11700:08:26.800 --> 00:08:31.959it's not. Actually, abortion isvery much legal. It's very much legal11800:08:31.000 --> 00:08:37.320and in most every state. Evenin some states it's more restricted than others11900:08:37.360 --> 00:08:41.559some states. Eventually it's gonna be, hopefully in the next couple of weeks12000:08:41.639 --> 00:08:45.240or days or whatever, it's gonnabe illegal. Um. But there's a12100:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.720lot to that that we're not goingto get into because I'm not a constitutional12200:08:48.799 --> 00:08:52.919lawyer. I'm not an attorney,Vicky, you're not an attorney, um.12300:08:52.960 --> 00:08:58.120But we are going to talk aboutkind of how we felt, where12400:08:58.159 --> 00:09:01.320we were at when we heard aboutreevue waving overturned. Now, you guys12500:09:01.440 --> 00:09:05.080know, if you've been watching thenews for the past I don't know,12600:09:05.200 --> 00:09:09.559since that leak since that draft leakin early, Um, was it in12700:09:09.679 --> 00:09:13.320late April, early May? Ithink it was in May. But yeah,12800:09:13.480 --> 00:09:16.799so we kind of, I meanat least there was an understanding that12900:09:16.879 --> 00:09:20.360this thing, there's a high likelihoodthat this thing is going to be a13000:09:20.399 --> 00:09:24.679return and of course pro abortion peoplewanted to put pressure on. The fact13100:09:24.720 --> 00:09:28.159that it was leaked was proved thatthey wanted to put pressure on the justices13200:09:28.279 --> 00:09:33.600and maybe even on Congress to makesome decisions and to kind of, you13300:09:33.639 --> 00:09:37.440know, quote, push back onthe infringement of a woman's right to choose13400:09:37.559 --> 00:09:41.200or whatever. Death threats to someof the Supreme Court judges, which is13500:09:41.240 --> 00:09:46.039just awful, right. Yeah,so there was at least there was an13600:09:46.120 --> 00:09:52.080understanding that this could be possible.But really just knowing that something could happen13700:09:52.360 --> 00:09:56.919and then it actually happening are twovery different things. It was, it13800:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.679was, it was. So Iwant to start with I happen to be13900:10:01.759 --> 00:10:05.240on the sidewalk that day. Itwasn't by accident that I was on the14000:10:05.279 --> 00:10:11.000sidewalk. I knew we were allgetting kind of news that it was going14100:10:11.039 --> 00:10:16.879to happen soon and I was actuallythere. I've been on the sidewalk quite14200:10:16.879 --> 00:10:20.600a bit lately because I was concerned. I was concerned for our teams what's14300:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.480going to happen, because there havebeen so many threats of violence and there14400:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.919have has been violence again and vandalismagainst especially pregnancy resource centers. So I14500:10:31.000 --> 00:10:37.279was there and I got um atext from someone who was there at the14600:10:37.360 --> 00:10:43.440Supreme Court who had some inside knowledge, who said it's going to happen today.14700:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.600So I was I told our teamI thought it was going to happen14800:10:46.639 --> 00:10:50.759today and we were all just waitingand I was texting. Well, I14900:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.840was checking my phone every every fewseconds and probably two seconds after it was15000:10:54.879 --> 00:11:00.320announced I got the text that andI just Um, you know, I15100:11:00.919 --> 00:11:07.600can't describe that feeling because it's we'vejust been doing this for so long and15200:11:07.159 --> 00:11:13.000I knew that it would change nothingin our state. If anything, my15300:11:13.120 --> 00:11:18.559work was going to now increase rightand and that is because North Carolina is15400:11:18.600 --> 00:11:22.080not one of those states that itwas immediately abortion is going to be made15500:11:22.080 --> 00:11:28.279illegal or even more tight restrictions onabortions. But the surrounding states, Tennessee15600:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.279in particular, Tennessee in South Carolina, I think, in particular, and15700:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.799then also Georgia will likely severely restrictabortions and that will push we already see15800:11:39.799 --> 00:11:43.840women from those areas, we do. That'll push even more ladies to this15900:11:43.879 --> 00:11:46.039abortion clinic, especially here on Latrobe. Yes, so I knew that was16000:11:46.039 --> 00:11:50.240going to happen and I knew thatthis really didn't change. You know,16100:11:50.360 --> 00:11:56.360if it doesn't change the heart ofthe nation, then abortion is not going16200:11:56.440 --> 00:12:01.440to change, and not not,not to. It's a gospel issue.16300:12:01.480 --> 00:12:05.519I truly believe and know that.But to know that our nation was no16400:12:05.600 --> 00:12:15.000longer defined as as a place wherethe rights of the unborn are Um,16500:12:15.039 --> 00:12:20.399are just null and void, asas a as a nation, that saying16600:12:20.440 --> 00:12:28.759that there's a constitutional right to abortionwas now overturned, and that meant a16700:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.960lot to me. So I youknow, I I pumped my fist in16800:12:33.000 --> 00:12:39.000the air and Um and, youknow, waving to all of our team16900:12:39.000 --> 00:12:43.919members. We were spread out,following good strategic placement our team, so17000:12:43.960 --> 00:12:46.559we're all up and down the roadand every one of them looked over and17100:12:46.679 --> 00:12:52.000instantly knew what what I was communicating. Um, and then I went to17200:12:52.120 --> 00:12:58.840each one, hugging them and takinga picture because I wanted to memorialize where17300:12:58.879 --> 00:13:03.440each of us was on the onthis day and we're just beaming. All17400:13:03.480 --> 00:13:07.159of us are beaming, texting thepeople that we know and Um posting it.17500:13:07.320 --> 00:13:13.440You know, rope waite is overturned. So Um. So I had17600:13:13.480 --> 00:13:18.480that that mixed feelings of I knowthat tomorrow we're probably going to face a17700:13:20.080 --> 00:13:24.720very disturbing number of people coming infor an abortion, or certainly over the17800:13:24.759 --> 00:13:30.759next few days, but for todayI just wanted to rejoice, just rejoice,17900:13:31.200 --> 00:13:37.240and there was a really we wehad. We had organized tentatively the18000:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.600day before, thinking it might bethat day. We had already organized,18100:13:41.000 --> 00:13:45.039Um, a worship service on ourproperty next door to the abortion center,18200:13:45.399 --> 00:13:48.960and as soon as we knew itwas overturned, we started texting everyone and18300:13:48.000 --> 00:13:52.360saying, Hey, gather, we'regonna worship, we're going to praise the18400:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.039Lord, and we did and afew of the love life of Edmund People18500:13:56.320 --> 00:13:58.320showed up. I know you wereout of town and I'd love to hear18600:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.120what happened in California where you were, but Um, I think one of18700:14:03.279 --> 00:14:09.559the most pivotal stories for me was, um, we're doing the worship service.18800:14:09.639 --> 00:14:13.000I actually was on the MIC andstill calling out to women are over18900:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.399by the driveway so that the restof our team could could be at that19000:14:16.440 --> 00:14:24.759worship service. So Um. ButI did see a woman's pull over for19100:14:24.200 --> 00:14:30.879UH, the Charlotte City director ofLove Life, and get out of her19200:14:30.879 --> 00:14:33.399car. I didn't know what wasgoing on at the time, but it19300:14:33.399 --> 00:14:41.559turns out she has fertility issues andcannot conceive and she had come asking for19400:14:41.720 --> 00:14:46.039prayer. I don't know if sheknew it was the day Roe v way19500:14:46.159 --> 00:14:52.360was overturned, but I thought howironic that this woman who cannot conceive is19600:14:52.399 --> 00:15:01.960showing up at an abortion center sidewalkwhere women are throwing their aldren away as19700:15:01.120 --> 00:15:09.080medical waste, and it happens tobe on the day that that so called19800:15:09.200 --> 00:15:16.120right has been overturned nationally. AndJonathan, our city director, prayed with19900:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.240the woman. She turned out tobe angry at God, she didn't understand,20000:15:20.039 --> 00:15:24.200and he prayed with her and spokeabout the truth of the Gospel and20100:15:24.279 --> 00:15:30.519she submitted her life to the Lordright right then and there on this historic20200:15:30.639 --> 00:15:35.559day. and to me that's whathas to happen for for abortion to truly20300:15:35.639 --> 00:15:39.679change, and I took it asa very wonderful symbol and omen and just20400:15:39.360 --> 00:15:46.879um proof and presence of the Lordat that place. So that's my story.20500:15:46.960 --> 00:15:50.559That's where I was and that that'swhat that's what happened on this historic20600:15:50.639 --> 00:15:54.279day. They were by the way, they were helicopters circling. There were20700:15:54.440 --> 00:15:58.840all kinds of newspeople and they've been. It's kind of flattening out now,20800:15:58.879 --> 00:16:02.320but they have been all over thesidewalk trying to interview us. We just20900:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.360refer them onto love life, butit's it's really been kind of a zoo21000:16:06.720 --> 00:16:11.919in that respect. But the proabortion crowd has been surprisingly quiet through it21100:16:11.960 --> 00:16:17.840all. So when you guys foundout, then obviously I'm sure they found21200:16:17.840 --> 00:16:22.159out shortly after, if not atthe same time. What was the reaction21300:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.399of the pro abortion people? wasthere not like something? Okay, so21400:16:25.519 --> 00:16:29.080that was interesting. Daniel. I'mglad you asked that because, Um,21500:16:29.320 --> 00:16:32.919we were purposely. I had alreadyactually talked with some people. Were not21600:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.000going to gloat. This is nomatter what happens, we can't be gloating21700:16:36.039 --> 00:16:41.759about this. It is caused forrejoicing. But Um, uh, but21800:16:41.960 --> 00:16:45.440you know, we did. Youknow, I went and hugged everyone and21900:16:45.639 --> 00:16:49.480what there was from the pro abortioncrowd was dead silence and they all go22000:16:49.559 --> 00:16:52.840on their phone and I'm sure theywere all checking to see if it was22100:16:52.879 --> 00:16:57.799true. No one said a wordto me about it. No one said22200:16:57.840 --> 00:17:02.720Hey, I'll bet you're happier anything. There was just silence from the pro22300:17:02.759 --> 00:17:07.279abortion group. Yeah, yeah,yeah, I mean. Well, I'm22400:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.519gonna read this passage of scripture thathas to do with that Um because the22500:17:11.559 --> 00:17:17.359Lord has reminded me of this.I've we've been under attacked by pro abortion22600:17:17.400 --> 00:17:21.160people since we've been doing this ministry. We've seen a lot of really nasty22700:17:21.200 --> 00:17:23.319people do a lot of really nastythings and we've seen them come and go.22800:17:23.440 --> 00:17:27.160I mean I've watched some people.Remember one security guarden out here some22900:17:27.240 --> 00:17:32.720years ago that was really nasty andI was there the day that the abortion23000:17:32.720 --> 00:17:36.640clinic finally fired him because he waseven more nasty than they wanted him to23100:17:36.680 --> 00:17:38.240be, and I watched him tobe pretty bad. Yeah, and I23200:17:38.279 --> 00:17:41.920watched him walk away cussing because hedidn't even have a vehicle at that time.23300:17:42.240 --> 00:17:45.240I think his girlfriend or his wifeor something worked inside the clinic and23400:17:45.279 --> 00:17:48.720so he had to walk, hehad to leave walking and get a bus23500:17:49.440 --> 00:17:53.240and I remember watching him walk awayand I wanted so badly to like just23600:17:55.279 --> 00:17:56.920gloat in the fact. Hey,dude, look what just happened to you.23700:17:56.920 --> 00:18:00.119You got fired, ha ha ha. And then I've seen another,23800:18:00.440 --> 00:18:04.759UM, really nasty pro abortion ladywho used to come out. This is23900:18:04.960 --> 00:18:10.960probably about ten years ago or somethingand, Um, I watched the clinic24000:18:11.119 --> 00:18:12.599tell her to leave as well,and I watched the look on her face,24100:18:12.799 --> 00:18:17.400like she was heartbroken. This clinicthat had encouraged her to come and24200:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.440counter protest told her to leave becauseshe was doing some risky things that really24300:18:22.759 --> 00:18:26.799wasn't helpful, according to them right, and they had asked her to come,24400:18:26.839 --> 00:18:29.920and I watched her just to lookon her face was kind of heartbreaking24500:18:30.279 --> 00:18:33.319because she was like surprised that theytold her you have to get off our24600:18:33.319 --> 00:18:34.680property and you have to leave.How bad much do you be to be24700:18:34.680 --> 00:18:41.559rejected by right? But then abrother reminded me of this scripture. This24800:18:41.599 --> 00:18:45.200is proverb, verse Seventeen, thatsays do not rejoice when your enemy falls24900:18:45.319 --> 00:18:48.480and do not let your heart beglad when he stumbles. Verse Eighteen.25000:18:48.599 --> 00:18:51.839Less the Lord see it, andit displeased him and he turned away his25100:18:51.880 --> 00:18:56.799wrath from him. So we rejoicein what the Lord has done, but25200:18:56.880 --> 00:19:03.240we don't need to gloat and rejoicethat our enemies fall Um. And that's25300:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.000really not what this is about anyway. This is not about pro aborts,25400:19:07.039 --> 00:19:10.920this is not about the pro abortioncontingency in the United States of America.25500:19:10.920 --> 00:19:17.039It's not about Democrats losing. It'sabout little babies being valued as human beings,25600:19:17.079 --> 00:19:21.839at least in some measure, atleast not being devalued because that Supreme25700:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.160Court decision, Roe v Wade,in a sense, well, not in25800:19:25.160 --> 00:19:27.720a sense, I think. Plainlyjust said they are not persons, that25900:19:29.319 --> 00:19:33.880unborn child is not a person,and so we've seen that overturn. I26000:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.480believe it's it's a in a sense. Again, it's not about pro aborts,26100:19:37.480 --> 00:19:38.599it's not about the Democrat Party,it's not about the Supreme Court.26200:19:38.880 --> 00:19:47.319It's about the Lord. It's aboutwhat God's words says actually being being agreed26300:19:47.359 --> 00:19:49.400with, right that human beings areare made in the image of God,26400:19:49.440 --> 00:19:53.920that human beings are persons because they'rehuman beings. Um, and so that's26500:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.640what's about. So we can rejoice, we're gonna have to gloat. Um.26600:19:56.680 --> 00:20:00.160I think in a sense, likewe need to understand where these pro26700:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.119abortion people are at, as misguided, as misdirected as these people are,26800:20:03.160 --> 00:20:07.920as full of demons as some ofthem are. Um, they just lost26900:20:08.079 --> 00:20:11.599something that's very precious to them.And again, we know it's ridiculous a27000:20:11.640 --> 00:20:15.480woman's right to choose. It's notabout that. It's about murdering, murdering27100:20:15.559 --> 00:20:18.720children. Um. But we needto understand where these people are at and27200:20:18.839 --> 00:20:23.200we need to pray that their eyesare open to the reality that what they27300:20:23.240 --> 00:20:26.880were supporting was the murder of children. Maybe, somehow this could bring that27400:20:26.920 --> 00:20:32.759reality to them, and so Ithink understanding that is helpful. Having a27500:20:32.799 --> 00:20:36.519heart posture before the Lord, becausecertainly we don't want to gloat and mock27600:20:36.759 --> 00:20:38.640pro abortion people in the Democrat Partyor whatever. And then, as that27700:20:38.680 --> 00:20:42.000scripture says, the Lord like turnedback his wrath. Right, the Lord27800:20:42.079 --> 00:20:47.680somehow just lets us, as anation, go back into that whole that27900:20:47.680 --> 00:20:55.079that just wicked direction of basically supportingthe murder of children inside right. Yeah,28000:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.799and I will tell you I've beenso just honored and out to stand28100:21:00.839 --> 00:21:06.720alongside our team members, because Ihave not seen one moment of gloating or28200:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.480mocking the pro abortion crowd. WhatI have seen is a heart that is28300:21:11.599 --> 00:21:19.000just so um kind and I think, if anything, praying more for the28400:21:19.039 --> 00:21:26.559probortion group. And literally yesterday wesurrounded a young lady who's brother is in28500:21:26.559 --> 00:21:30.799the hospital and she's on the otherside. She's probortioned but Um, we're28600:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.440all heartbroken for her. Her brothercould die and we just we prayed for28700:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.640her, we laid her hands onher and prayed for her, and that's28800:21:37.680 --> 00:21:44.559that is overwhelmingly the response to thepeople that I know. Yeah, it's28900:21:44.599 --> 00:21:49.839important that we ourselves are not proudof the overturning of road vie way,29000:21:49.920 --> 00:21:56.759but we're humbled by it because whocould imagine again in that we would see29100:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.519this if it didn't happen? Youknow, when we had think about it,29200:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.839right now we have Joe Biden inoffice. He's like, you know,29300:22:06.920 --> 00:22:08.680I don't know if he himself,but he's certainly controlled by some of29400:22:08.680 --> 00:22:15.880the most radical pro abortion people thathave ever existed in the history of country.29500:22:15.000 --> 00:22:21.000Um, the congress is kind ofstacked against us and so it's like29600:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.759the power that's in control right nowfor the most part, is the party29700:22:25.799 --> 00:22:29.279that supports the murder of children.So who would imagine that it would be29800:22:29.279 --> 00:22:34.319overturned now? But it's only againby the mercy of God, and I'll29900:22:34.359 --> 00:22:40.079say this too, this is aflip flip. Benham said this. Yesterday30000:22:40.200 --> 00:22:44.960we did a celebration of just ofhim and his life and his dedication to30100:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.200the Lord and to overturn Roevie weight. He literally Baptized Jane Roe of Roe30200:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.799v Waight. Normal cory been inbeen pro life warrior for what? Fifties,30300:22:52.880 --> 00:22:57.039sixty? Well, not ever since, ever since Roe was handed down.30400:22:57.079 --> 00:23:00.000So fifty years, almost fifty years, a little less than that.30500:23:00.039 --> 00:23:03.880Actually. He came into this battlein the early eighties, maybe mid eighties,30600:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.680because really before and I won't getinto all his testimony, probably should30700:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.920do an interview with him and along time ago I did one. Maybe30800:23:11.920 --> 00:23:15.519you should do another one. Buthe was actually a pro abortion pastor.30900:23:15.599 --> 00:23:18.440Like he he thought that abortion wasjust a woman's right to choose and all31000:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.759that, until he had an encounterwith the Lord and the truth was spoken31100:23:22.759 --> 00:23:26.240to him. Um. But whatI was getting at is he he mentioned31200:23:26.880 --> 00:23:33.240how God used the Jawbone of adonkey to slay his enemies, Donald Trump,31300:23:33.319 --> 00:23:37.400and I don't care what you thinkabout that guy. I don't care31400:23:37.519 --> 00:23:40.160what you guys that are listening think. Many of you love the Guy,31500:23:40.240 --> 00:23:42.359many of you can't stand the guy, some of you voted, some of31600:23:42.400 --> 00:23:45.160you didn't vote for him. But, whatever you think of the Guy,31700:23:45.759 --> 00:23:53.400God used that man to put threejustices on that Supreme Court that ultimately he31800:23:53.559 --> 00:23:57.839used to overturn this Roe v waydecision. And, if you think about31900:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.319it too, this is kind offun. We always hear a pro abortion32000:24:02.400 --> 00:24:07.519friends talking about white men controlling women'sbodies. Right, white men should have32100:24:07.559 --> 00:24:14.200no say in a woman's body.In nineteen seventy three, who made that32200:24:14.200 --> 00:24:18.720that that Roe v Way Decision?Was All white men, right now here32300:24:18.720 --> 00:24:22.079in two who made the decision tooverturn Roe v Way? It was some32400:24:22.119 --> 00:24:26.599white men, but also a blackman and a woman. Right. So32500:24:26.200 --> 00:24:32.119the Supreme Court is more diverse nowthan it was then and it's that diverse32600:24:32.160 --> 00:24:37.680supreme court that overturned that that decisionfrom a pretty much monolithic group of people32700:24:37.039 --> 00:24:41.839back in and so that's amazing.This is just miraculous what the Lord has32800:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.920done and what the Lord has usedto overturn this decision. So I'll share.32900:24:47.160 --> 00:24:51.799Yeah, I wanted to hear becauseI haven't heard really what happened where33000:24:51.839 --> 00:24:55.960you were, where you were andwhat the response was around you. So33100:24:56.039 --> 00:25:00.759I was actually Um and I wasin northern Californ and there was a march33200:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.680for life in northern California, Sacramento, and so I was there. But33300:25:03.759 --> 00:25:07.880then that was on a Wednesday andthen shortly after Um and that that afternoon,33400:25:07.880 --> 00:25:11.079that evening, I flew up toWashington state. So I was in33500:25:11.119 --> 00:25:15.720Washington State, which is pretty prettypro abortion right that nothing much is gonna33600:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.759Change, if anything is going tochange in Washington state after the overturning,33700:25:18.799 --> 00:25:23.119in Ruby way just like California.Um, but it's it's a dark place.33800:25:23.200 --> 00:25:26.839Let me just tell you. There'sa lot of our team there suffers33900:25:26.880 --> 00:25:32.720a lot of opposition. Their churchgot vandalized by the people that are threatening34000:25:32.799 --> 00:25:37.319vandalism for churches and for Um lifepregnancy centers. A pregnancy center locally there34100:25:37.440 --> 00:25:41.279got vandalized as well. So it'sa pretty hostile area. So I'm thinking,34200:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.000and this is you know, I'mthere on a Thursday, on the34300:25:45.039 --> 00:25:48.079Thursday before Um in Washington state,and I'm gonna be there for the next34400:25:48.119 --> 00:25:51.720couple of days. I'm thinking ifthis decision does get handed down, like34500:25:51.759 --> 00:25:57.240I'm probably in the worst place youcould be, um. And so that34600:25:57.279 --> 00:26:03.359Friday morning. So I remember that. I'm on three hours Um time difference.34700:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.119So ten o'clock, I think itwas. It was just shortly after34800:26:07.160 --> 00:26:10.359ten, so it would have beenlike shortly after seven years time. Yeah,34900:26:10.400 --> 00:26:12.160and I'm not a super early rise. Okay, I'll only get up35000:26:12.200 --> 00:26:17.400about seven, maybe a little bitbefore seven, and so I think I35100:26:17.440 --> 00:26:21.680was up at like seven. Asa matter of fact. I think I35200:26:21.720 --> 00:26:26.000was awakened by a text message,Um, from another guy, I want35300:26:26.559 --> 00:26:32.319name, and you and I werein that and I think that was probably35400:26:32.359 --> 00:26:34.319the first communication I got during thatday. And I'm like you, I'm35500:26:34.359 --> 00:26:37.960kind of like rubbing my eyes,I'm like looking like is this? Is35600:26:37.960 --> 00:26:41.480this for real? Like in mysleep, am I awake? Is this35700:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.000a dream? Is it a dreaming? And then in my mind, this35800:26:47.079 --> 00:26:49.359is the picture that I saw.And you, you won't relate to this35900:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.359because you're not a star wars personright now, but I've seen it.36000:26:53.359 --> 00:26:56.440Watched return of the Jedi, Idon't remember. I saw the first one36100:26:56.720 --> 00:27:03.119return of the Jedi, which ismy face favorite star wars episode, episode36200:27:03.640 --> 00:27:08.440six right of the series, turnedinto Jedi Um at the very end,36300:27:10.000 --> 00:27:14.559after the forces of darkness are defeated, because in that episode you had the36400:27:14.559 --> 00:27:17.599e walks, right, they werekind of some main characters there. So36500:27:17.759 --> 00:27:21.319once the empire was taken down,once the Um, the death star,36600:27:21.960 --> 00:27:26.920was blown up, you had allacross all of the planets and all of36700:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.359the areas, everybody was rejoicings,like this big party, and I had36800:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.119in my mind that that picture likefinally, it's like freedom has come darkness,36900:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.440the veil of darkness has been liftedoff of our land, and that's37000:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.839the picture that came to my mind. This veil of darkness that shrouded our37100:27:41.920 --> 00:27:48.039land, the the national support ofthe shedding of innocent blood, has finally37200:27:48.079 --> 00:27:55.559been peeled back and I really believethat this could be an opportunity for this37300:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.799nation to turn back to the Lord. Yeah, I think so too,37400:27:59.400 --> 00:28:03.440even the like we said, notmuch is going to change in some states,37500:28:03.720 --> 00:28:08.839at least as a nation, wehave repented of our support of the37600:28:08.839 --> 00:28:12.799shedding of innocent blood. We haverepented and we've decided no longer will we37700:28:12.839 --> 00:28:17.319have this in our land? Yeah, I I had a dream. It37800:28:17.400 --> 00:28:21.240was I think it was the nightthat it was overturned and I really hadn't37900:28:21.279 --> 00:28:23.319thought much about it, but Iknew it was probably a significant dream.38000:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.440But I was in my van andhit reverse by accident. I was trying38100:28:27.440 --> 00:28:33.200to escape an evil enemy and myand I end up hitting reverse instead of38200:28:33.279 --> 00:28:40.240like going forward and ended up backinginto the river and my van just was38300:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.599going deep underwater and the water wasover me, it was all around me38400:28:45.720 --> 00:28:51.119and I knew there was no wayout, no escape. I knew Eva38500:28:51.240 --> 00:28:56.279was going to win. And somehowI opened the door, which you can't38600:28:56.359 --> 00:28:59.559really do when you're underwater and yourdoor is closed, but I opened the38700:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.160door and not only did I makeit safely to the surface, but I38800:29:04.200 --> 00:29:10.640pushed my van out of the riverand on to dry land and the evil38900:29:10.759 --> 00:29:15.319was gone. And that to mewas a picture kind of of the enormity39000:29:15.400 --> 00:29:21.039of what I felt, that Inot that I had done the impossible,39100:29:21.039 --> 00:29:27.000but but that somehow, um theimpossible had been empowered to be done and39200:29:27.079 --> 00:29:30.519I was an instrument of it.And that's kind of how I think.39300:29:30.519 --> 00:29:33.359A lot of pro life. Peopleare feeling that we have been used by39400:29:33.400 --> 00:29:38.440God and we got to see somethingwe never expected to see. That was39500:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.720just glorious. Yeah, yeah,it's amazing. And on that particular day,39600:29:42.759 --> 00:29:47.720after rejoicing over there, returning ofRovy Wade, I was actually doing39700:29:47.720 --> 00:29:51.160what we call a one hour journeywith some pastors. So that's when we39800:29:51.200 --> 00:29:53.119bring pastors out for one hour topray in front of the abortion center.39900:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.119Said, a group of Pastors andministry leaders come out to the side walk40000:29:57.119 --> 00:30:00.880in front of a Plant parenthood therein Washington's eight and we had an awesome40100:30:00.880 --> 00:30:03.599time of prayer. There was somepro abortion opposition there, but it was40200:30:03.680 --> 00:30:07.960really pretty tame actually, which isa surprise. And that was a large40300:30:08.039 --> 00:30:15.599number of pastors, wasn't it?Yeah, people, maybe, and Um,40400:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.799it was good just to be therepraying, worshiping the Lord, the40500:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.440the I guess excitement, maybe euphoria, it's too strong a word. Maybe40600:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.880that's the right word it was.It was evident in the crowd and our40700:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.799folks, but also, of course, this concern that these pro abortion people40800:30:30.799 --> 00:30:33.759are gonna who knows what they're gonnado, be violent, and what's in40900:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.880their hearts gonna manifest in the streets. Thank God that's not what happened.41000:30:37.960 --> 00:30:41.200And again, the pro abortion oppositionthat was out there was pretty mild,41100:30:41.680 --> 00:30:47.319maybe, maybe, kind of discouragedactually. And UH, yeah, that's41200:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.839a sense I got that there wasvery disheartened people. Yeah, so we41300:30:51.839 --> 00:30:53.440definitely need to pray for them whenencourage you, guess, to do that.41400:30:55.039 --> 00:30:59.319Um, but I think we're readyto wrap this episode up. We41500:30:59.400 --> 00:31:00.759just wanted to are kind of wherewe were at, what we were thinking,41600:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.200you know, and we didn't wantit to go unnoticed because, you41700:31:03.240 --> 00:31:11.599know, we we definitely are justreally happy about this development. Yeah,41800:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.799yeah, and it really cannot beattributed to one organization, one group,41900:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.920one I mean, we can attributeit to the Supreme Court, maybe to42000:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.640Donald Trump and put the right peoplein place, but ultimately we've got to42100:31:22.680 --> 00:31:26.119acknowledge this is the Lord, thisis the Lord's doing, this is a42200:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.920mercy from God and I think allthe more as those those who are called42300:31:32.519 --> 00:31:34.920to stand and to speak and toproclaim the gospel of the Church of Jesus42400:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.559Christ, all the more we needto stand up and we need to press42500:31:38.599 --> 00:31:44.119into the Lord in prayer and believeGod for revival in our land. I42600:31:44.160 --> 00:31:48.039believe God can send revival. BelieveGod will send revival at least one more42700:31:48.039 --> 00:31:52.039time to our nation. Or we'llsee his holy spirit sweep across this land.42800:31:52.039 --> 00:31:55.160We'll see many come into the Kingdomof God, including some of those42900:31:55.160 --> 00:31:57.920pro abortion people who were mad thatthat Roevie Wade was overturned. God's going43000:31:59.000 --> 00:32:01.160to bring people into his Ken Ingdom. We have to be faithful, regardless43100:32:01.160 --> 00:32:05.200of what the Supreme Court does ordoes not do. We have to be43200:32:05.240 --> 00:32:08.279faithful to do what God has calledus to do. And remember, abortion43300:32:08.519 --> 00:32:14.960is not over in our land rightit's still happening, it's still gonna Happen43400:32:15.359 --> 00:32:20.440Until the Gospel saturates this nation.Um, we still have a lot of43500:32:20.440 --> 00:32:22.119work to do. So I justwant to encourage you guys that are out43600:32:22.119 --> 00:32:25.319there doing this work that we're prayingfor you guys, and we appreciate you43700:32:25.319 --> 00:32:30.680guys praying for us. Appreciate youguys listening to this podcast. Just encourage43800:32:30.680 --> 00:32:32.039you to share this with others,that it would be a blessing, to43900:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.519encourage you to reach out to us. You can reach me, Daniel at44000:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.000Love Life Dot Org. You reachher, Vicky with why at Love Life44100:32:38.039 --> 00:32:42.519Dot Org. Also again encourage youguys to take advantage of our website,44200:32:42.759 --> 00:32:45.480Gospel centered pro life dot Com.It's the PODCAST websites. All the episodes44300:32:45.480 --> 00:32:50.160are available, new and improved.Yeah, and so we think it will44400:32:50.200 --> 00:32:53.400be a blessing to you guys.Also our sidewalks for Life Dot Com website,44500:32:53.440 --> 00:32:58.160training and equipping website with articles thatwe put out on almost weekly basis.44600:32:58.519 --> 00:33:00.480That will be a blessing to youguys. A lot of other stuff44700:33:00.519 --> 00:33:02.359there. So take advantage of thosethings. But until next time, do44800:33:02.559 --> 00:33:15.200bless God, bless you all.Give me our lift for love. Give44900:33:15.319 --> 00:33:23.200me our life for gratitude. Iknow it will cost me my life.45000:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.160Nothing's too precious since I met you