Sept. 22, 2022

When Our Best Isn't Good Enough

When Our Best Isn't Good Enough

We pour our hearts out to moms and dads in our outreach at the abortion centers. Of course, our hope is that they would choose life but that isn't always the case. Sometimes no matter how well we present a case for life they will reject it and choose abortion. In this episode, we offer some wisdom, encouragement, and experience on how to deal with this.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.080 You can't change anyone's heart, no matter how wise you are, no matter 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.000 how long you've been doing this, no matter how whinsome you are in the 3 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:12.480 way that you talk. It's God that changes hearts and it's up to them, 4 00:00:12.519 --> 00:00:16.199 the people that you're speaking to, to respond to what God is speaking 5 00:00:16.480 --> 00:00:23.039 through you. I'm yours, I'm yours, I'm yours, and me, 6 00:00:23.320 --> 00:00:29.559 Lord, I'm yours, I'm yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel centered pro 7 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:35.039 life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro 8 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:39.000 life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. 9 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:53.840 I felt your pastih touch your heart. Lord. Welcome back to the Gospel 10 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:58.640 centured pro life podcast. I'm Daniel Park's west coast regional shepherd for love life. 11 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.520 I'm joined, as always, about Vicky cassie organ everyone. Vicky is 12 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:10.640 our sidewalk training director. She oversees sidewalk training four our sidewalk teams across the 13 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:14.840 nation and is pouring into folks here in Charlotte, but also all across the 14 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:19.879 country and has taking a trip to Denver and some sometimes in the not too 15 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.599 distant future, a couple of weeks. Yeah, yeah, very excited to 16 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:26.079 help pour into the sidewalk teams that are beginning there, and so we're blessed 17 00:01:26.079 --> 00:01:30.480 to bring you guys these episodes focused really on the sidewalk ministry, although we're 18 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.079 involved in a lot of other stuff as a ministry through love life, our 19 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:38.680 heart with this podcast is to help equip and encourage those who are doing ministry 20 00:01:38.680 --> 00:01:41.920 on the sidewalk in particular. We talked about other subjects to that have to 21 00:01:41.959 --> 00:01:44.959 do with pro life ministry, always with a focus on the Gospel, like 22 00:01:45.480 --> 00:01:52.079 in the intro and Um, but really our expertise with air quotes is the 23 00:01:52.120 --> 00:01:53.840 sidewalk ministry. We've been doing that for a long time. So you guys 24 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.519 that might be new to this podcast. That's a little background on who we 25 00:01:57.560 --> 00:02:01.200 are. have been doing this stuff combined plus years. Right. I've been 26 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.920 involved since two thousand and five. Vicky, you got started in, Oh 27 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:09.080 Gosh, two thousand fourteen. I've been doing it ten years, so I 28 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:15.439 guess that would be so. Anyway, I've been doing this stuff for a 29 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:20.360 long time, made some mistakes over the years and our hope is that when 30 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:23.199 we do trainings and we do podcasts, whatever we might do along these lines, 31 00:02:23.879 --> 00:02:27.120 is we're helping you, guests, to learn from our mistakes so you 32 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:29.759 don't have to make your own. Yeah, that sound good a man, 33 00:02:29.840 --> 00:02:32.000 I think that's a noble purpose of ours. I think it is too. 34 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:38.879 So with that I want to get into our subject. And Vicky writes an 35 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.400 article, oftentimes with the subjects that we cover in these podcast episodes of these 36 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.319 articles are always available at Um sidewalks for life, sidewalks, the number four 37 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.560 life dot com. If you go on that website, that's our training and 38 00:02:51.599 --> 00:02:54.960 equipping website. At the top of the page is a tab that says equipping 39 00:02:55.080 --> 00:03:00.479 articles, and these articles are always there. Also linked them in the show 40 00:03:00.520 --> 00:03:05.879 notes of the podcast as well. This article is called when my best is 41 00:03:05.919 --> 00:03:10.199 not good enough. So you had an experience just last week or just yesterday, 42 00:03:10.280 --> 00:03:14.840 yesterday, just happing yesterday. Yeah, that kind of spurred this article. 43 00:03:14.960 --> 00:03:16.879 You thought it would be an encouragement to those who are doing sidewalk ministry. 44 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:21.280 So why don't you kind of give us a little background on this article, 45 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:23.120 what your heart with this episode is, and then we'll jump into it. 46 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:27.759 Well, so this is something we are all going to face. If 47 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:30.960 you're in front of an abortion center, as a sidewalk counselor. Every one 48 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:36.439 of us will will face what is can be a great disappointment, which is 49 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:42.280 when mom chooses to abort, even after you've given everything you have. And 50 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.080 the reason that I think it will be an encouragement is this happened to me. 51 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:50.120 Didn't end the way that I had hoped and prayed it would end. 52 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.400 But I've been doing this a long time. I mean ten years is a 53 00:03:54.400 --> 00:04:00.319 long time to be a sidewalk counselor and there have been many, many women 54 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:06.479 who have chosen life after I've counseled but there are also women who choose abortion 55 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:14.560 and I really I felt like I kind of did everything right. I didn't 56 00:04:14.639 --> 00:04:17.839 feel that way with with this discussion. It felt holy, Spirit led, 57 00:04:19.040 --> 00:04:24.879 and yet it didn't end with her choosing life. So I thought it was 58 00:04:24.920 --> 00:04:30.360 important for people to know, whether you're experienced or brand new on the sidewalk, 59 00:04:30.879 --> 00:04:33.240 this is going to happen. There's going to be people that will not 60 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:41.720 choose life and I wanted to go through kind of what I experienced, what 61 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:46.319 the discussion was. Maybe you'll come up with some ideas of things that I 62 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:51.920 didn't touch on that I should have, but um and then maybe some just 63 00:04:53.199 --> 00:04:59.199 general reminders for all of us when we face this situation that will help us 64 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.639 to deal with with the inevitable disappointment when it doesn't go as you had planned, 65 00:05:03.639 --> 00:05:09.800 when you've done your best and it just wasn't good enough. Yeah, 66 00:05:10.079 --> 00:05:13.639 it wasn't good enough to see the result that you wanted to see correct. 67 00:05:13.920 --> 00:05:17.759 But, spoiler alert, the end result is in God's hands, right, 68 00:05:18.319 --> 00:05:26.000 and the encouragement is you can't change anyone's heart, no matter how wise you 69 00:05:26.040 --> 00:05:30.079 are, no matter how long you've been doing this, no matter how whensome 70 00:05:30.199 --> 00:05:32.040 you are in the way that you talk. It's God that changes hearts and 71 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.879 it's up to them, the people that you're speaking to, to respawn to 72 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.720 what God is speaking through you to. Yeah, exactly, and that's probably 73 00:05:40.759 --> 00:05:45.519 the absolute basic, most important takeaway from this. But so so let me 74 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.800 tell you this story. Um, I was standing up the street, away 75 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:54.639 from the craziness of the opposition, all the noise they make and everything that 76 00:05:54.759 --> 00:05:59.279 happens, at the entry point into the parking lot of an abortion center and 77 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.439 I had been Um, I'd talked to a lot of people, I'd given 78 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:05.360 out a lot of literature, I'd had a lot of what I felt were 79 00:06:05.399 --> 00:06:11.160 really good conversations. So I was feeling pretty good. I was feeling like 80 00:06:11.360 --> 00:06:15.199 this is where God wants me. He's using me here today. And a 81 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.800 young couple stopped. They brought down their window right away. I did what 82 00:06:17.959 --> 00:06:21.199 we train you all to do. I was extending my hand, already with 83 00:06:21.279 --> 00:06:26.120 the literature in my hand, offered it to them. It was classic, 84 00:06:26.240 --> 00:06:30.000 picture perfect. They stopped, rolled down the window, took the literature. 85 00:06:30.079 --> 00:06:32.879 I introduced myself, Um, asked if they were on the way to the 86 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:39.279 women's clinic, which they readily admitted they were. and Um, and then 87 00:06:39.959 --> 00:06:43.920 I told them right away who we were, that were a ministry who loves 88 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:48.560 the Lord and we are there offering hope and help so that they would not 89 00:06:49.360 --> 00:06:53.959 consider abortion as as their only choice. And then I point to with the 90 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:59.079 mobile ultrasound unit is right down the street, just very close to where they 91 00:06:59.079 --> 00:07:02.680 had stopped. For me, pointing to it, said we have free ultrasound, 92 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.279 free pregnancy test. We can go over a whole bunch of resources that 93 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:10.800 we can share with you to help you no matter what you face. and 94 00:07:10.920 --> 00:07:15.120 Um, the woman is already leafing through the pamphlet that I had handed her. 95 00:07:16.600 --> 00:07:19.839 That's that's a positive thing, right. She's not just kind of thrown 96 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:24.040 it in the backseat or put it to a side. She's actually looking at 97 00:07:24.079 --> 00:07:28.439 the brochure. So that's a positive that's right. That's the guy is looking 98 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:33.160 stonily straight ahead. He's pretty looking at me at all. He's pretending to 99 00:07:33.199 --> 00:07:39.079 not be paying attention at all. But and and she kind of starts giggling 100 00:07:39.120 --> 00:07:43.120 a little as I'm talking with her. Yeah, which that's a pretty common 101 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:47.120 thing to people laugh off when people feel conviction, sometimes they laugh at off. 102 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:50.879 That's a weird reaction, but it's a very common reaction when you're when 103 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:55.959 you're giving people hard truth. Yeah, and she's she's kind of giving him 104 00:07:56.000 --> 00:07:59.360 the eye, the guy the eye, and Um, so, you know, 105 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:05.000 I I knew that there was UM, some hardness in their heart right 106 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.399 away from kind of their their body language. But when they started giggling, 107 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:13.720 uh, I asked them if they knew God, and I do try to 108 00:08:13.759 --> 00:08:16.680 get to God right away, which I did. I was able to do 109 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.240 you know God. I don't remember if there was an opening other than that 110 00:08:20.279 --> 00:08:24.959 they were giggling and and I said, Hey, are you guys believers? 111 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.240 And they said they were. and Um, and I said, well, 112 00:08:30.439 --> 00:08:33.879 what do you think God would would say about you about to go in and 113 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:41.679 take your child's life in an abortion? and Um UH. Then I'm not 114 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.320 sure they even answered me right away. But then I took it a step 115 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:50.840 further from do you know God too, do you know Jesus. They said 116 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:56.279 yes, and then I said is Jesus? Do you love Jesus? They 117 00:08:56.279 --> 00:09:00.639 said yes. Would you consider Jesus the Lord of Your Life? And they 118 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:07.320 said yes. So now you have a whole new permission. Obviously, I 119 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.320 would say either they were raised in church or they're being exposed a church in 120 00:09:11.360 --> 00:09:15.799 some capacity, so they had some knowledge of God and Jesus and his Lordship 121 00:09:15.840 --> 00:09:18.279 of me. If they don't know what that means, that Jesus is Lord, 122 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:22.279 typically people aren't going to respond in the affirmative and say that he is 123 00:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.559 their Lord. They'll ask what do you mean by that? They've been well 124 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.600 churched, well versed in Church Yanity at least. Yeah. And when I 125 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.440 said okay, well, if Jesus is your Lord, then what do you 126 00:09:33.480 --> 00:09:39.039 make with Luke Sixty six, where Jesus himself says, why do you call 127 00:09:39.120 --> 00:09:41.480 me Lord? Lord, and not do what I say. Yeah, so 128 00:09:41.600 --> 00:09:46.440 letting the word of God have its place of conviction in their hearts. That 129 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:48.360 was the hope. That was the hope, and there was a very interesting 130 00:09:48.440 --> 00:09:56.000 response. Um, the guy starts sweating, literally as I'm sitting there while 131 00:09:56.039 --> 00:10:00.480 standing there watching. It wasn't even all that hot today yet. Um, 132 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:05.120 and and he just breaks out in a sweat and I took that as okay, 133 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.480 the Holy Spirit is convicting this guy. He knows he's in the wrong 134 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:11.440 place, that he shouldn't be here. and Um, they insisted that that 135 00:10:11.559 --> 00:10:18.320 Jesus was Lord. and Um, and then I said really, Jesus Lord 136 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:22.000 of Your Life? Well then, Um, what do you think about the 137 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:26.600 sixth commandment? What does he say about the sixth commandment? And she said, 138 00:10:26.600 --> 00:10:28.720 well, what is the sixth commandment? And I said that shall not 139 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:35.519 murder, and both of them looked down but didn't answer. Um, and 140 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.039 UH. And then I said, well, is what you carry in your 141 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:43.519 room a human being? So pointing out the humanity of the baby brought I 142 00:10:43.519 --> 00:10:46.960 brought God into the equations. I'm going along the three talking points. I 143 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.840 brought God in very quickly, scripture, very quickly. Now talking about the 144 00:10:50.919 --> 00:10:56.480 humanity the baby, Um and Um, and she she said Yeah, they 145 00:10:56.919 --> 00:11:01.720 agreed it was human. And I said, well, is is it living? 146 00:11:01.960 --> 00:11:03.360 Yes, it's living. Is it a little person? Yes, it's 147 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:07.600 a little person. Well, is it innocent? Yes, it's innocent. 148 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:13.600 Well then, what do you think you are doing here? If this is 149 00:11:13.679 --> 00:11:18.799 you're considering taking the life of this little person? That that's the definition of 150 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:22.519 murder. I was pretty blunt and it was kind of surprising, though they 151 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:28.000 didn't make any attempt to drive away. Um, they were listening. So 152 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:31.840 Um, the man at that point said he knew it was wrong. He 153 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:37.039 even knew it was murder, but God will forgive me. Now we had 154 00:11:37.200 --> 00:11:43.080 just had a training session with our national missionaries where we where we talked about 155 00:11:43.120 --> 00:11:46.759 this. This is one of the most common things, especially in the south, 156 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.440 but I would say I mean across the board, no matter whereof ministered, 157 00:11:50.559 --> 00:11:52.639 you'll hear this commonly. I know what's wrong, but God will forgive 158 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:58.559 me for some some form of that right. And I went right into exactly 159 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.480 what I trained our sational missionaries that we should say at that point. I 160 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:07.279 said if you're Um, well, you're right. God is a forgiving God, 161 00:12:07.399 --> 00:12:11.720 but if you're about to expressly go and do what he has clearly told 162 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:16.120 you not to do, banking on his forgiveness. Are you asking His forgiveness 163 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:22.000 or permission to sin? And pointed out this was really a mockery of what 164 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:28.200 forgiveness, and particularly repentance, really really means. Um and then shared the 165 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:33.279 story that I often share when I hear this, where let's let's pretend you're 166 00:12:33.320 --> 00:12:37.559 married and your your your husband. I'm talking to the woman. Now your 167 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:43.120 husband tells you that he's going to go next door and and have sex with 168 00:12:43.159 --> 00:12:46.600 his beautiful woman because he can't help himself. But but because you're a forgiving 169 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:50.720 woman, he will come right back and tell you I'm sorry, because he 170 00:12:50.759 --> 00:12:54.240 knows you'll forgive him. D that be okay? And she neither of them 171 00:12:54.399 --> 00:13:00.600 answered. They just both looked down shaking their heads. No, it was 172 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:05.480 not okay. And I said, but that's that's what you're asking Um God 173 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:11.240 to do. and Um the guy's sweating more. That's fine. He takes 174 00:13:11.279 --> 00:13:16.720 out his handkerchief and he's moping his face after he's pouring sweat. But he's 175 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:22.360 starting to look at me like I could tell maybe at that moment he's starting 176 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:28.840 to connect and be convicted in a way that even um she had had not 177 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:31.960 yet. And then I um. Then I asked them if they were married. 178 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:35.960 I figure, you know, as long as they're staying here, no 179 00:13:35.279 --> 00:13:39.840 one, let's let's go for them. You already message as well. And 180 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:45.200 No, they were not married, but they were going to be married soon. 181 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:50.399 And I said, wow, marriage is a big commitment. And if 182 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.720 Um uh I, I assume that this baby you're thinking of getting married. 183 00:13:54.759 --> 00:13:56.840 You love each other, right. They say yes. I said, well, 184 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:01.639 that's a big commitment to want to marry each other. I assume this 185 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:07.159 baby was conceived in love. You, you loved each other and Um, 186 00:14:07.240 --> 00:14:11.679 and you know that sex can produce babies, right? They said yes, 187 00:14:11.720 --> 00:14:16.039 and I said, well, well, you know you have a commitment to 188 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:24.039 that baby. When do you believe that the Um you should start honoring commitments? 189 00:14:24.080 --> 00:14:31.320 Because marriage is a huge commitment and usually when we promise to remain committed, 190 00:14:31.720 --> 00:14:37.039 it's when everything's going well and when things are good. It's easy to 191 00:14:37.080 --> 00:14:41.559 maintain a commitment when things are easy. It's it's a whole lot harder when 192 00:14:41.559 --> 00:14:45.720 things are hard. So you've you made a commitment to each other in a 193 00:14:45.799 --> 00:14:50.720 sense when, when you conceived this child, because that was certainly a possibility. 194 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:54.480 You have a commitment to that child, ass that child's parents. When 195 00:14:54.519 --> 00:14:58.840 do you think would be a good time to start practicing commitment? And and 196 00:14:58.919 --> 00:15:03.799 they they agreed. The amazing thing is, throughout this discussion which went on, 197 00:15:03.840 --> 00:15:07.159 I'm not going to go through everything I said, but over there it 198 00:15:07.279 --> 00:15:11.279 lasted about forty minutes. They agreed. Car Side, car side, minister 199 00:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.840 into them. They were pulling down to the abortion center. They stopped in 200 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:20.279 the road and you talk with him thirty minutes, minutes in a minute itself 201 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.679 is miraculous. It is, it is, and you've heard what I'm saying. 202 00:15:24.080 --> 00:15:28.799 This is not easy stuff for someone to listen to that doesn't have to. 203 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:31.480 I wasn't hanging onto the car, I wasn't leaning in. That was 204 00:15:31.519 --> 00:15:37.679 in no way impeding their ability to to leave. and Um, and I 205 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:45.399 asked them Um, so you you know it's wrong. You know that you 206 00:15:45.559 --> 00:15:50.720 should um of that. You you're claiming Jesus's Lord. What do you think 207 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:56.759 would be honoring to God right now? Would would it be driving in to 208 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:03.919 that abortion center? or how how could you honor God in in Your Life? 209 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:08.120 Right now. And they said going on the mobile ultrasound unit. They 210 00:16:08.159 --> 00:16:11.120 agreed, it was. It was. It was not going into the they 211 00:16:11.120 --> 00:16:15.639 said not. In fact, she said at that point, not going into 212 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:19.840 the abortion center. So I'm feeling like, praise God, they their hearts 213 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:26.000 are turning. Wouldn't you have thought that these with these responses? So Um, 214 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:29.360 I said, you know, you could die at any any moment. 215 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:32.559 I hope you don't, but this could be your last few moments on earth. 216 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:37.519 None of us know. And if our if you know what the next 217 00:16:37.600 --> 00:16:41.320 step should be an honoring God, and that might be the only step you 218 00:16:41.360 --> 00:16:47.600 have left before you stand before Jesus. You don't know. So what do 219 00:16:47.679 --> 00:16:52.679 you think, then, you should do at at this point? Um, 220 00:16:52.879 --> 00:16:59.639 and they they both said to Um, to go on the R V, 221 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:04.160 and I said great, I agree with you. Um, let me Um, 222 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.920 I and I told her about the resources, a very general overview of 223 00:17:07.960 --> 00:17:11.720 all the resources that we could offer to help, which we would talk about 224 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:14.200 more in the R V. I said, I'll walk you over and she 225 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.559 said no, my mind is made up. This is forty minutes later, 226 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:22.759 forty minutes of him sweating tear, you know, he's sweating up a storm 227 00:17:22.759 --> 00:17:29.359 because he's so convicted. She's saying Yes to everything. They agreed with everything. 228 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:33.160 And I just looked at her and said, young lady, after all 229 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:38.920 that you're telling me, you're you still are going to go in there and 230 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:45.519 abort your baby. Um Oh, I did talk about the heartbeat, brain 231 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:48.480 waves, ten fingers and tent totes. I knew how far along she was 232 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.240 also, so I did everything I knew to do, quite honestly, and 233 00:17:53.680 --> 00:18:00.440 she was eight weeks. So ten fingers and Tintoes, brain waves, heartbeat, 234 00:18:00.599 --> 00:18:03.519 every organ in place. told her all that, Um, and and 235 00:18:03.599 --> 00:18:07.599 yet she said, but she did say, but listen, I'll Um, 236 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:11.160 we'll, we'll hang on to this. I've got your name and number and 237 00:18:11.200 --> 00:18:14.559 if we get in there and change our mind, I'll be right back, 238 00:18:14.599 --> 00:18:18.640 I promise you. And I said, is there anywhere in the Bible that 239 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:23.440 says when we know sin and we know temptation, we should step as close 240 00:18:23.519 --> 00:18:27.720 to it as we can get to see if we can withstand temptation? Or 241 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:32.720 does the Bible say that we are to flee from up, from the devil 242 00:18:32.960 --> 00:18:36.599 and or, you know, resist the devil and he will flee from us. 243 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.160 So resisting, you don't creep up as close as you can to temptation. 244 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:45.640 And at that moment, um I know I've kind of she's not back 245 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:51.680 and down. I know I've kind of for whatever reason. Um, and 246 00:18:51.839 --> 00:18:56.079 I say can I pray with you, and they said yes, so I 247 00:18:56.119 --> 00:18:59.839 started praying. I prayed at them, as we've talked about another podcast. 248 00:19:00.039 --> 00:19:04.480 We're kind of recounting everything that I'd gone through and as I'm finishing the prayer, 249 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:11.400 Um, who should drive up behind them but the the owner's daughter who 250 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:17.640 manages the abortion center, directs the Abortion Center here. And I tell you, 251 00:19:17.680 --> 00:19:21.559 there was at least two car with beside this truck. They could have 252 00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:27.200 gone by easily. She could. You could have plenty of rooms, but 253 00:19:27.359 --> 00:19:32.519 she laid on the Horn, just wouldn't take her hand off of the horn. 254 00:19:32.599 --> 00:19:37.119 So the horns blaring and she rolls down her window and it's swearing and 255 00:19:37.240 --> 00:19:41.319 screaming at me and at them to get out of the road. Um. 256 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:47.559 And I had purposely not told them to pull over because as soon as I 257 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:53.319 say that of the time women keep driving and drive into the abortion center and 258 00:19:53.359 --> 00:19:56.559 I knew they were not. Ever, in the conversation at a point where 259 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:02.720 I felt confident they would pull over. At this point. I know I'm 260 00:20:02.799 --> 00:20:07.279 kind of she's going to call the police and and, Um, the and 261 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:11.440 and the people were getting so frazzled. So I said would you pull over? 262 00:20:12.039 --> 00:20:15.920 At first I told them the reason she doesn't want to just go around 263 00:20:17.039 --> 00:20:19.960 us, which we're all flagging her on, I said, is because the 264 00:20:21.599 --> 00:20:23.960 she doesn't profit off of the death of your baby. Lose money, right 265 00:20:25.240 --> 00:20:29.920 and and so she doesn't want me talking to you. Um. And as 266 00:20:29.960 --> 00:20:34.759 soon as I said, would you mind pulling over, he rolls forward slowly 267 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:42.559 and kept driving and drove right in to the abortion sid yeah, that's heavy 268 00:20:42.599 --> 00:20:47.279 stuff. Dealt with that. If you do this ministry at any length of 269 00:20:47.319 --> 00:20:49.200 time, you'll deal with that, whether it's, you know, car side 270 00:20:49.319 --> 00:20:53.960 or talking to him on the sidewalk or on the mobile ultrasound union. I 271 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:56.839 know my wife as a nurse and I know you've been on the mobile ultra 272 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.240 sound unit a lot to you where you're pouring everything you can, everything you 273 00:21:00.279 --> 00:21:04.400 can pour out until you can't pour out anymore and then, even though there's 274 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:07.759 agreement there, I agree, all you're saying is correct. I agree with 275 00:21:07.799 --> 00:21:12.880 that stuff. Yet I'm still going to have this abortion and on top of 276 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:17.000 it, in this case. I don't always feel this, but in this 277 00:21:17.079 --> 00:21:21.640 case I felt Holy Spirit guided. I really felt like things were coming out 278 00:21:21.680 --> 00:21:26.240 of my mouth that I've never said before but that I felt led by the 279 00:21:26.319 --> 00:21:30.359 spirit to say. So I felt really good about it until she said no, 280 00:21:30.440 --> 00:21:34.160 I've made made up my mind, and you pretty much figured it's a 281 00:21:34.200 --> 00:21:37.400 done deal. Right there. They're sitting here listening for thirty minutes. That's 282 00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:41.279 a good indication that they're going to choose life if they're they're talking that long. 283 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:47.000 And none of the opposition came over to stop the conversation, which was 284 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:52.680 another miracle. So anyway, that you know, my first as they drive 285 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:57.440 in, I felt like collapsing. That's the first kind of takeaway is, 286 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:06.079 I think, gets okay for the exhaustion and disappointment to hit you, because 287 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:12.400 it is disappointing. It is disappointing and and I thought it was very important 288 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:17.319 for you to know. I've been doing this ten years and it still happens, 289 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.480 and not infrequently either. Right. I mean, we can train you. 290 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:23.200 This is what we've said often. We can train you. We have 291 00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:27.240 three training modules. Now for the Sidewalk Ministry. We do this podcast. 292 00:22:27.960 --> 00:22:32.920 Um, we do a monthly meeting for all of our sidewalk folks to encourage 293 00:22:32.920 --> 00:22:37.359 them and answer questions. We can pour any kind of training and and kind 294 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:41.039 of here's what you do in this scenario into you and you can apply all 295 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.319 of that stuff, but at the end of the day, none of that 296 00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.039 stuff is bad, by the way, all that stuff is good. We 297 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:48.440 should learn, we should equip ourselves as much as we can, but at 298 00:22:48.440 --> 00:22:52.640 the end of the day, the people that were ministering to have to decide 299 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:57.839 to yield to the Holy Spirit. They do have a freedom of their will 300 00:22:59.480 --> 00:23:03.559 to read jacked or to receive what they're hearing, and you can't force your 301 00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.440 will on them. We're told that we we try to force our religion on 302 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:12.559 people. No, we don't. We offer the truth, we offer alternatives. 303 00:23:14.079 --> 00:23:17.279 God offers a way of escape to them, but it's up to them 304 00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:21.079 whether they receive it or reject it. And it is discouraging. I mean, 305 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:22.400 I know one of the things that can happen when you kind of pour 306 00:23:22.519 --> 00:23:27.519 everything out is you know, once the situation is over, I remember a 307 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:30.319 situation. I'm sure I've shared this a couple of times on the PODCAST. 308 00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:34.559 But I remember on the mobiultrasound unit that we had a woman on board. 309 00:23:34.640 --> 00:23:37.920 I wasn't on board, but the counselor maybe you were the counselor I can't 310 00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.799 remember. It's been a while, but the mom of twins, eighteen week 311 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.720 twins, she was on the mob ultra sound unit and the nurse on board, 312 00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:47.839 I think it might have been my wife. If not, it was 313 00:23:48.319 --> 00:23:52.000 one of the nurses that is out there on a regular basis. Um, 314 00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:57.839 they gave the ultrasound eighteen week twins. They showed her every resource that corresponded 315 00:23:57.839 --> 00:24:02.160 with the needs that she had, gave her every reason to choose life, 316 00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:06.519 and she still stepped right off of that mobile ultrasound unit and went into that 317 00:24:06.559 --> 00:24:10.440 abortion center and killed both of those baby. It feels like you've been punched 318 00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.839 in the gut when, when that happens, you've poured everything into that. 319 00:24:12.960 --> 00:24:17.680 And then, especially it's worse that I don't think it was me that that 320 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:21.920 day. It was a long time before I saw twins on the mobile sound 321 00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:26.480 unit. But Um uh, but when you've seen the baby on top of 322 00:24:26.480 --> 00:24:30.720 it, it's a double whammy, a double punch. It really her. 323 00:24:32.440 --> 00:24:33.680 Yeah, and one of the things. Kind of where I was getting with 324 00:24:33.720 --> 00:24:38.119 that is you poured everything out that you could, but the devil is still 325 00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:42.000 going to be an accuser of the brethren. The devil is still going to 326 00:24:42.079 --> 00:24:45.799 say, Oh, you should have said this, you should have done that, 327 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:48.160 should have, could have, would have? All that second guessing exactly. 328 00:24:48.160 --> 00:24:52.200 That's one of our points in the enemy will get you and he will 329 00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:57.519 neutralize you because could you always say things better or differently, or could you 330 00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.960 have said more stuff? Sure, you can always say things differently. You 331 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:04.920 but you don't know the end from the beginning. You don't know who you're 332 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:07.799 you're not God, you don't see all the things that are going on in 333 00:25:07.839 --> 00:25:11.079 their hearts. You have to do the best you can and that's the best 334 00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:15.279 you can do. The best you can do is the best you can do 335 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:19.240 right in the moment, and so it's in the Lord's hands. You've got 336 00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:23.440 to trust God and it's between them and the Lord. Like when that couple, 337 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:27.759 when they stand before the Lord on the Day of Judgment, they're not 338 00:25:27.759 --> 00:25:32.359 gonna be able to accuse Vicki of not having told them the truth. Right 339 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:36.319 there. God's gonna Bring Out. I believe the Bible says the books are 340 00:25:36.319 --> 00:25:38.039 going to be opened when we stand before the Lord. It's gonna be the 341 00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:42.160 book of of the law. Bible says there's this book called the Book of 342 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:48.720 Remembrance, and it's quite possible that book of Remembrance is God showing you all 343 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:52.640 the chances that he gave you to repent, all the opportunities, and this 344 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:55.240 is gonna be played back, whether it's read back to them in the book 345 00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.759 of remembrance or however that works out, they're gonna see that day, in 346 00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:02.559 that time and they're not going to be able to accuse you or God of 347 00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.599 having not told them the truth or not given them an opportunity to repent in 348 00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:10.359 a wave escape. Right. Um, so many good points. One one 349 00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:14.279 of the things, even when I wrote the title of this Um Uh, 350 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.920 if this is my when I give my best and my best isn't good enough, 351 00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:21.799 I knew that that title was a false title. Um, in terms 352 00:26:21.799 --> 00:26:23.519 of I think you said it earlier, maybe it was before the podcast actually 353 00:26:23.519 --> 00:26:26.680 even started, but that I did give my best, it was the best 354 00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:32.000 I had to give at that moment, but it was in the sense of 355 00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:36.599 that we're ever good enough. It was all I had to give and I 356 00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:41.720 will never be up to the task, but God always will be. I 357 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:44.680 I can only give what I'm able to give, and then I've got to 358 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:49.720 trust and know that it's it's really God's best that that takes over. It's 359 00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:55.000 not. It's not us, it's not up to us. Yeah, this 360 00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.000 is the thought I want to leave you guys with, and I've given this 361 00:26:57.119 --> 00:27:00.119 encouragement a couple of times, but I don't think I can give it enough. 362 00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:07.279 That what we're doing is we are planting seeds and we are watering seeds, 363 00:27:08.079 --> 00:27:11.799 and God is the one that gives the increase. This passage here in 364 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:15.839 First Corinthians chapter three, starting in verse six, this is Paul talking about 365 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.480 his ministry and the Ministry of Apolos and how they ministered to the church in 366 00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.319 Corinth and he says in Verse Six of First Corinthians Chapter Three, says I 367 00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.680 planted a policy, watered, but God gave the increase. So neither he 368 00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:30.000 who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the 369 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.839 increase. We're we're just vessels, right. It's not our responsibility to change 370 00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:40.920 hearts. It's our responsibility to be vessels that are willing to either water seeds 371 00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.440 or tosso seeds, and it's in God's hands. Now I'm not saying that 372 00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:48.640 it's not because God didn't want them to choose life. It's between them and 373 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.200 the Lord. You've given them the truth, you've you've planted a seed or 374 00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:56.839 you've I think you probably watered seeds that were already planted, because these people 375 00:27:56.880 --> 00:28:02.920 obviously knew something about God and God gives the increase, but people have to 376 00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.640 yield to his truth. People have to yield to when they're convicted by the 377 00:28:06.680 --> 00:28:10.160 Holy Spirit. The Bible says don't resist the Holy Spirit. People have to 378 00:28:10.240 --> 00:28:14.319 yield to the to the call and the conviction of the Holy Spirit, and 379 00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:18.559 they apparently didn't. Yeah, so I was talking with the counselor today, 380 00:28:18.599 --> 00:28:22.680 who knew about this experience that I had yesterday, and she said, and 381 00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:23.720 I told her we were going to do a podcast about it, and she 382 00:28:23.720 --> 00:28:29.000 said, I hope that you will tell us um what to do that helps 383 00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:32.799 us to to get through the discouragement. And My last point in the article, 384 00:28:32.880 --> 00:28:34.839 I think, does address that. I think everything you said, Daniel, 385 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:40.839 we have to keep in our heart that that that is first that you 386 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.720 have to keep the knowledge that it is truly up to God, not us. 387 00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.160 But something that did help me is, as I thought back on it, 388 00:28:48.200 --> 00:28:52.359 the natural inclination is to say what did I do wrong, but I 389 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:56.359 think a helpful thing for you to do following something like this happening is to 390 00:28:56.480 --> 00:29:02.880 think what did I do right? Well, was an optimistic thing that came 391 00:29:02.920 --> 00:29:04.440 out of this, so I listed some of them as I was thinking about 392 00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:08.839 that. Biblical truth was presented, no doubt, lots of scripture, lots 393 00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:12.599 of truth. Um. I would not say I presented the Gospel, Um, 394 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.319 because I really didn't go into Jesus, death and resurrection or anything like 395 00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:21.440 that. I was really just citing biblical truth about the baby, about Um 396 00:29:21.519 --> 00:29:26.559 killing an innocent human being. Um. But the truth about fetal development was 397 00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:32.200 presented. They could not go in there without picturing that baby because I drew 398 00:29:32.240 --> 00:29:36.279 a picture for them. So they went in with full knowledge. They will 399 00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:38.400 not be able to stand before God someday saying I didn't know it was a 400 00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:42.000 baby. They knew it was a baby. Um. Thirdly, the truth 401 00:29:42.200 --> 00:29:48.799 about the grievous and dangerous sin that they are engaging in was clearly presented and 402 00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.759 and I don't think we should ever gloss over that. Do it gently, 403 00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:57.400 do it kindly, and then, Um, finally that it was clear the 404 00:29:57.440 --> 00:30:02.599 Holy Spirit was convicting their heart and I got to enter into that. So 405 00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:07.359 I think that's a really important way to help you get through is to think 406 00:30:07.680 --> 00:30:11.240 what went right, what did I do wrong, correct what went right and 407 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:15.880 just the fact that you were there. That's a big thing that went right. 408 00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:19.680 So, Um, I hope this was encouraging to you guys. Hope 409 00:30:19.720 --> 00:30:25.920 you guys were Um challenge but also encouraged. I mean, you guys have 410 00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:29.400 had these these encounters with people. You've poured out your heart to people and 411 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:32.880 they've went into the abortion center and it can be heavy. But know that 412 00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.839 it doesn't happen to just you. It happens to everybody, something that's part 413 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:40.759 of this ministry. It stinks, but remember the Lord is with us in 414 00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.519 it. He shares our grief and, uh, he gives us comfort right 415 00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.640 and so, hopefully again you guys are encouraged by this. If you want 416 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:49.119 to reach out to me, you can reach me Daniel at Love Life Dot 417 00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.039 Org, and reach out to Vicky. Vicky with a Y, I love 418 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:56.720 life dot Org. We'd love to hear suggestions for future podcasts from you guys. 419 00:30:56.119 --> 00:31:00.160 We loved for you guys to put a review out on whatever podcast as 420 00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.799 service that you use to listen to this podcast. So leave us a review. 421 00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:07.160 Five stars would be great. 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