Dec. 2, 2021

When and How To Describe Abortion Procedures

When and How To Describe Abortion Procedures

The three talking points we train our sidewalk teams to use are effective but there are times when sharing the graphic reality of abortion can be effective in changing a mother's mind about abortion as well. In this episode, we talk about the appropriate time and way to describe abortion procedures to men and women at the abortion centers. We also share some resources to equip you to do this effectively. 

Abortion procedures video: https://youtu.be/CFZDhM5Gwhk

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.760 --> 00:00:05.960 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. S and me, 2 00:00:06.320 --> 00:00:11.550 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the 3 00:00:11.589 --> 00:00:17.510 Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge 4 00:00:17.550 --> 00:00:21.109 you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. 5 00:00:21.309 --> 00:00:32.259 Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:35.969 --> 00:00:39.329 Welcome back to the Gospel Center pray life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, 7 00:00:39.409 --> 00:00:44.049 joining us and we appreciate you guys listening to this podcast. We'd appreciate if 8 00:00:44.090 --> 00:00:48.409 you guys would share this podcast, this episode and any of the other episodes 9 00:00:48.450 --> 00:00:51.359 that have been a blessing to you with other people. 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That was 27 00:02:14.550 --> 00:02:17.900 that was really created to help you guys who have questions about things that we 28 00:02:19.099 --> 00:02:23.259 cover and so that you don't have to dig through all of the episodes on 29 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:29.659 itunes or how Google podcasts or spotify or whatever. You can just go into 30 00:02:29.699 --> 00:02:31.490 that Web page, you can find which episode if you want to listen to 31 00:02:31.530 --> 00:02:36.650 it on spotify or whatever. You can certainly do that, but you can 32 00:02:36.729 --> 00:02:38.930 listen to it right off of that Web page and I believe you can even 33 00:02:38.930 --> 00:02:44.560 download them onto your phone or whatever directly off of that that Web page as 34 00:02:44.599 --> 00:02:47.520 well. So that's something we put together for you guys to help just continue 35 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:53.120 to encourage and equip you to do the ministry on the sidewalk. So we're 36 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:58.909 going to cover, as we do often times, a subject that kind of 37 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.669 came across our radar as we were talking with local counselors. Vicki was talking 38 00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:07.110 with local counselor in Charlotte, and so Vicky introduced our topic real quick, 39 00:03:07.150 --> 00:03:10.870 if you will please, and we'll jump right into it. Sure. So 40 00:03:10.990 --> 00:03:19.060 we're going to talk about when you should describe graphically what happens in an abortion. 41 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.020 When and if, I guess some people are probably wondering, should you 42 00:03:23.180 --> 00:03:27.849 ever do that? So if you should, first of all rationale for that, 43 00:03:28.969 --> 00:03:32.449 when you should, if you choose to describe in detail an abortion, 44 00:03:34.090 --> 00:03:38.969 and then how, yeah, you would describe it. So you have to, 45 00:03:38.129 --> 00:03:43.840 sadly, have a pretty good knowledge of what happens in the various types 46 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:50.159 of abortions and the the topic was came up when we had a mom we'd 47 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.439 basically tried everything with and we're going to go over that in a little bit 48 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.669 more depth. But and and I suggested to one of our counselors, maybe 49 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:00.990 it's time to in grow some detail, let this woman know what's going to 50 00:04:01.069 --> 00:04:08.710 happen to that baby, because she was a second trimester abortion and and the 51 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.379 councilor said, you know, I I don't feel really comfortable doing that. 52 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:19.300 She just really wasn't well versed yet in what actually happens in specifically a surgical 53 00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:23.819 abortion, because we knew that that was what was going to happen during Ye 54 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:28.089 for that child. And so I got on the microphone own and and described 55 00:04:28.129 --> 00:04:36.170 it and there was all of the loud, noisy raucus lying pro abortion group 56 00:04:36.209 --> 00:04:41.680 were silent, just just silent, and we all got this sense, it 57 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.040 was like there was this very somber silence that fell over the place and we 58 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:51.040 realized, you know, we probably maybe don't even do this enough, because 59 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.750 this is the truth. This is the truth of what's going to happen to 60 00:04:57.269 --> 00:05:01.430 these babies and these MOMS need to know because they are not being told and 61 00:05:02.389 --> 00:05:06.110 most of them don't know and in fact neither do I believe, many of 62 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:12.259 the socalled pro choice people. Yeah, so we decided we really needed to 63 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:17.500 inform anyone that maybe is not aware of what happened. They need to know 64 00:05:18.100 --> 00:05:21.970 what happens in an abortion, as well as when to use it. Yeah, 65 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:26.129 yeah, I think it's important that, just in general, that we 66 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:30.250 know what happens in an abortion so that we're informed of what we're dealing with. 67 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:32.850 Right, we need to know, we need to be well informed and 68 00:05:33.529 --> 00:05:36.839 of course we have it in our pamphlets, the little pamphlets that we hand 69 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:42.839 out at the abortion center, hope is here pamphlets, and you know, 70 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.759 I think it's important that if you're going to hand something out, that you've 71 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.000 read what you're handing out and you're well versed and what's inside of that. 72 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:53.310 And now it doesn't get into graphic details, gets in some detail about what 73 00:05:53.389 --> 00:05:57.750 happens in those abortion procedures and it breaks down like the medical abortion, first 74 00:05:57.750 --> 00:06:01.230 trimester, a second trimester, third tremester abortions and the procedures that are involved 75 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:04.660 in that. And so it's helpful that you have the information, especially again, 76 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:08.379 if you're going to hand out that information. And I want to say 77 00:06:08.500 --> 00:06:13.420 too, that you know we don't want to come out of the gate talking 78 00:06:13.459 --> 00:06:16.540 about the abortion procedures. See how gruesome they are right and the reason why 79 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:19.129 is because we want to try to build a relationship with that woman. We 80 00:06:19.170 --> 00:06:24.410 don't want to it just immediately shut the conversation down. Grosser out with what 81 00:06:24.569 --> 00:06:27.529 she's doing and she kind of shuts down in her mind when she hears this 82 00:06:27.689 --> 00:06:31.879 graphic reality what's happening inside of there. But we have our three talking points 83 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.160 right, hey, what God says, what God says about the baby, 84 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:40.800 about the mom, the humanity to the baby, describing fetal development and all 85 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.439 of that. Heart begins to beat at sixteen, Seventeen to twenty one days 86 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.709 after conception, and then, of course, the resources that are available. 87 00:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.189 So those are three main talking points. We stick to those as much as 88 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:55.269 we can, but there is a time when it's appropriate to get outside of 89 00:06:55.350 --> 00:07:00.029 that framework, certainly, and when you've kind of thrown everything at them as 90 00:07:00.069 --> 00:07:02.379 far as these three talking points are concerned, and there's a lot that's included 91 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:08.060 in those three talking points. It's a framework really of points that we touch 92 00:07:08.180 --> 00:07:11.699 on, but there's a lot that can be said even within that framework. 93 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.250 But there are some things outside of that framework and talking about abortion procedures is 94 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:19.850 one of those things and I think this can actually be a very effective way 95 00:07:20.689 --> 00:07:25.370 to help really awaken the conscience of the woman as you're talking to her, 96 00:07:25.810 --> 00:07:29.250 and I've done it talking to the men as well. I'll ask them as 97 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.240 if they come out on the sidewalk or whatever, if they stop in their 98 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.480 vehicle to talk, I'll ask them how far along is she? I'll just 99 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.439 go right for how far long is your girlfriend? And then do you know 100 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.560 what's going to happen to your baby? And I do want to make sure 101 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.470 in personalize that, right. I don't want to say something like you know 102 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:50.509 what happens to babies in procedures, or you know what's going to happen to 103 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:54.550 her baby. No, I don't make it personal for him as a man, 104 00:07:54.629 --> 00:07:57.189 and if I'm talking to a woman, I want to make it personal. 105 00:07:57.230 --> 00:07:59.459 Do you know what's going to happen to your baby? I might even 106 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:01.500 say you know what's going to happen to your son or daughter that you carry 107 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:05.379 in your womb? Do you know what's going to happen to your son or 108 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:09.459 daughter that she carries in her womb? And then, of course, I'll 109 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:13.689 break down if I know that she's if he says she's nine weeks along or 110 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.889 whatever, I'll take his word for it and I'll begin to describe what you 111 00:08:16.970 --> 00:08:18.529 know, if she's going to take the abortion pill. A lot of times 112 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.050 they don't know, but I found that they will actually say, well, 113 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.290 she's taking the pill, because it almost kind of like in their mind, 114 00:08:24.370 --> 00:08:28.519 minimizes it. It's not really an abortion. And even some, some Christians, 115 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.039 some pro life, or especially people that are new to this kind of 116 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.000 view, it that that way, that surgical abortions are real abortions, abortion 117 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919 pills are not, and we're going to talk about that toward the end of 118 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.149 this article a little bit breaking down that, because a medical abortion, the 119 00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:46.110 abortion pell procedure, is just as much as an abortion, and I will 120 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:50.309 say that it's just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion and in some 121 00:08:50.509 --> 00:08:56.139 ways can be a little more graphic. If you guys have seen the unplanned 122 00:08:56.259 --> 00:08:58.019 movie, there's a whole scene in there and we're going to give you a 123 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.659 few in the article. We're going to give you a few links and I 124 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.460 think maybe, Vicky, we should link that article as well, or that 125 00:09:05.980 --> 00:09:11.769 that Youtube video in this article as well, where it's a scene in unplanned 126 00:09:11.169 --> 00:09:16.409 where the person who portrays Abby Johnson actually goes through an abortion pill procedure. 127 00:09:16.809 --> 00:09:20.409 She's in the bathroom, blood all over the place after the abortion pill procedure 128 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.720 is completed, and we've done numerous episodes. Go on the Gospel Center pro 129 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.879 lifecom and search abortion pill and you'll find a couple of episodes we've done and 130 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.480 we've talked about this a couple of different times. Anyway, I guess I 131 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.870 kind of rabbit trailed and run through the article and some ways a little earlier 132 00:09:37.950 --> 00:09:41.429 than we intended to touch on certain things. But we're going to put some 133 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:46.429 videos into the show notes, or at least into the article that was written 134 00:09:46.429 --> 00:09:48.909 as a framework for this episode, and I want you guys to watch those 135 00:09:48.950 --> 00:09:54.100 videos. They're graphic, I get it, but I think we need to 136 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.860 sometimes refresh our hearts and minds of what we're actually dealing with, to just 137 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.419 have our hearts broken afresh, I think is really helpful. And then again 138 00:10:03.899 --> 00:10:05.899 we can help these women to see what they're about to do. And again 139 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:09.529 I think there's an appropriate time for that. And you know, I would 140 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:13.690 say just again as kind of a little maybe a little bit of a rabbit 141 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:16.289 trail. I think it'd be good to get these links out of the article 142 00:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.769 and to save them in a note on your phone. If you're ministering out 143 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:24.000 on the sidewalk and you get to the point where you think that it's appropriate 144 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.440 to share these things, you can actually show them, if they're willing to 145 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.320 watch it, a video and these there's there's a longer video that explains all 146 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.200 of them together and then there's a breakdown of the different you know, medical 147 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.190 abortion, first trimester, second, third trimester there. So there's it's in 148 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:41.710 one kind of stream of videos and then they even break it down salive action. 149 00:10:41.789 --> 00:10:45.230 That does it break it down into like I think it's three or four 150 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:50.820 minute videos for each procedure, and so I would have those on my phone. 151 00:10:50.899 --> 00:10:54.059 You can search it really easily. Go on Youtube and search a live 152 00:10:54.139 --> 00:10:58.259 action abortion procedures and you can find it pretty easily. But with all of 153 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:01.620 that said, Vicki, let's let's jump into the article. If I didn't 154 00:11:01.899 --> 00:11:05.090 well the really I think there's probably people listening already that are saying, I'm 155 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:09.210 never going to do that. I said that about the graphics signs, never 156 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:11.610 going to look at. Never going to show those I'm not going to use 157 00:11:11.730 --> 00:11:18.919 shock value to to to get someone not to kill their baby. But you 158 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.200 know, as I was praying and thinking about this article in the aftermath of 159 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.120 when I I've talked about this often, actually on on the MIC, but 160 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.110 not in a while at the abortion center, and when I did this most 161 00:11:33.230 --> 00:11:37.029 recent time, I started crying going through it and it made me realize, 162 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:43.190 you know, I probably don't do this enough, because if it causes this 163 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:50.179 strong a response in me, who knows this information, it really could be 164 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.100 a turning point for the women going in there who have maybe never heard it. 165 00:11:54.740 --> 00:11:58.100 But one of the verses that it happened to be in my Bible study 166 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:05.169 at the the time that I was reheard researching for this article is Ezekiel thirty 167 00:12:05.289 --> 00:12:09.730 three six, and I think it's such an important verse in terms of maybe 168 00:12:11.289 --> 00:12:18.600 helping to us all to think about should we be warning mom's about what is 169 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.320 going to happen to their baby, and should we do so graphically, and 170 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.120 and so that verse. Did you want to read it? You have that 171 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.470 verse there. Yeah, it says, but if the watchman sees the sword 172 00:12:30.549 --> 00:12:33.230 coming and is not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes 173 00:12:33.269 --> 00:12:37.230 and take someone's life. That person's life will be taken because of their sin, 174 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.340 but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood. Yeah, you 175 00:12:43.460 --> 00:12:52.059 know, so that you know the sword is coming and and someone's life is 176 00:12:52.220 --> 00:12:56.340 going to be taken and we are called to warn them or their blood is 177 00:12:56.419 --> 00:13:01.929 on our hands. It's basically paraphrasing what what that is saying, and I 178 00:13:03.049 --> 00:13:09.370 guess people could argue about what that warning should be, but we are called 179 00:13:09.409 --> 00:13:15.320 to speak truth and the even the word abortion muddies what the truth is. 180 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.600 Abortion doesn't come close to describing what is actually going to take place. And 181 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:26.639 of course, things like calling it choice or healthcare. I don't know what's 182 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:33.029 happening throughout the nation, but I know at our facility increasingly the pro choice 183 00:13:33.549 --> 00:13:39.149 people, the socalled pro chose people, are shouting out this is normal, 184 00:13:39.029 --> 00:13:46.100 this is good, this is this is loving, this is right. Yeah, 185 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:52.379 and that cannot stand. I just felt more and more strongly. We 186 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:58.450 cannot let that lie stand and we and we have to counter it, and 187 00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:05.769 the the best way to counter it is with truth, and I think graphic 188 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:13.679 truth. We there is a world of difference between saying abortion is barbaric and 189 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:20.080 saying your baby, your son or your daughter, a living member of your 190 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:26.230 family, is going to have their arms and legs ripped off while they are 191 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:31.789 still alive, without anesthesia. Yeah, they're there, then they can conclude 192 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:37.580 for themselves that this is barbaric, that it is horrific. So I just 193 00:14:39.019 --> 00:14:45.019 I I believe very strongly it's important for us not only to show graphic images 194 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:52.450 but to be knowledgeable and to describe the the graphic reality of what happens in 195 00:14:52.529 --> 00:14:58.330 an abortion. In fact, I think it was ray comfort who showed some 196 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.769 of these videos that you're talking about about what happens in an abortion and people 197 00:15:03.809 --> 00:15:07.720 would change their minds on the spot about whether abortion should be legal. It 198 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.039 shows the power of that. I hope that that convinces people that, yes, 199 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.080 this should be in your repertoire. Of You know things that you're going 200 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.549 to talk about and you alluded to already, Daniel, when to bring that 201 00:15:22.710 --> 00:15:26.149 into the discussion, but maybe just summarize when. When would you, in 202 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:31.909 general, bring up the graphic details of what happens in an abortion? Yeah, 203 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:35.899 now, I think it is good. You were talking about doing on 204 00:15:35.019 --> 00:15:43.820 a microphone everybody's scenario is a little bit different where the abortion centers in different 205 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.059 cities are and because of the rules laws things, some people can't even use 206 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:56.649 amplified sounds. Some people can. Again, I don't well, I'm confident 207 00:15:56.809 --> 00:16:00.409 that it's not the main theme of what we need to be saying right as 208 00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:03.960 far as how graphic and how terrible abortion is in the sense of like describing 209 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.480 graphic details. But I do think it can be very appropriate to share and 210 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.519 I think the on the microphone, letting folks know what's about the happen to 211 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.269 their baby, can be a powerful way to do it. And I think 212 00:16:18.309 --> 00:16:22.149 again, shutting the mouths of the pro abortion people who tell that this is 213 00:16:22.149 --> 00:16:27.789 a woman's right to choose, that they sanitize really what's happening by using the 214 00:16:27.870 --> 00:16:33.059 word abortion or using words like healthcare and things like that. And so when 215 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:36.620 you get into describing, okay, this abortion thing, what is it actually 216 00:16:36.620 --> 00:16:40.700 what are we actually talking about? It's an act of violence. I mean 217 00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:47.169 even abortionists that perform abortions have admitted that abortion is an act of violence. 218 00:16:47.570 --> 00:16:49.809 And that's really what you're trying to get to, that abortion is an act 219 00:16:49.850 --> 00:16:55.690 of violence. So I want always describe the abortion procedures, but I will 220 00:16:55.690 --> 00:17:00.129 always, almost always, say that abortion is not healthcare. Abortion is an 221 00:17:00.169 --> 00:17:03.559 act of violence that you commit against your own baby. That's that's actually a 222 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.680 common phrase that I use. Yeah, and then I will get sometimes into 223 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:15.319 describing the abortion procedures and and the abortion pill. I think as far as 224 00:17:15.710 --> 00:17:19.190 you know, as far as like a public declaration on a microphone or calling 225 00:17:19.269 --> 00:17:22.390 out, I don't know if I can say here's the perfect time to do 226 00:17:22.589 --> 00:17:26.430 that. I think when you've kind of given everything else, you've touched on 227 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.390 those three talking points, then yeah, go for it, you know. 228 00:17:30.099 --> 00:17:32.460 But again, I don't think it's the first thing a woman needs to hear 229 00:17:32.539 --> 00:17:34.859 soon as she gets out of her vehicle or soon as she you meet her 230 00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:38.859 walking up the sidewalk. I think the first thing is obviously letting her know 231 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:44.369 that you, you're a human being that acknowledges her humanity, that acknowledges the 232 00:17:44.410 --> 00:17:48.930 humanity her baby, and talking about kind of around those three talking points. 233 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:52.569 But when you're getting into a one one conversation, as I described earlier, 234 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:55.210 I do this when I'm talking to the men, even when I'm talking to 235 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:57.170 the Moms, when I get him some more of an indepth conversation. I 236 00:17:57.369 --> 00:18:02.640 guess, for lack of a better term, I've thrown everything but the kitchen 237 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.640 sink at them. Then I guess that is probably the kitchen scenk. Do 238 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.279 you know what's going to happen to your baby? And I will begin to 239 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.109 describe and we even have within some of our literature we have a sticker of 240 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:17.150 a baby that's a victim of abortion, and so I'll ask, can I 241 00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:19.470 show you what abortion looks like? And I will open that up and I 242 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:22.710 think that some of you, if you don't have them, if you're ministering 243 00:18:22.789 --> 00:18:27.099 on the sidewalk, then you should reach out to the website is abortion no 244 00:18:27.380 --> 00:18:33.539 dot org. I believe it's either abortion no dot org or abortion nocom. 245 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.180 It's CBR, center for bioethical reform, and they really kind of I mean 246 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.130 that's their ministry, is to show the graphic images of abortions. They do 247 00:18:41.210 --> 00:18:44.609 it on college campus, as we did a podcast with some of their guys 248 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.250 a while back. But they have these little cards. It's like a business 249 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.210 card size and you can get bigger ones as well, but you can order 250 00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:53.890 them. They're like ten cents a piece or something. I don't know. 251 00:18:53.930 --> 00:18:59.640 They're not they're not much, but it shows, it depicts an abortion, 252 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.799 and so it'll be a picture of a baby that's a victim of abortion. 253 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.920 Now, like eight weeks, nine weeks. They have it all through, 254 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.670 you know, all nine months of pregnancy, I believe. But I think 255 00:19:10.670 --> 00:19:12.589 it's appropriate to even have some of those on hand and to say, can 256 00:19:12.589 --> 00:19:15.509 I show you what an abortion looks like, and then to begin to describe 257 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:19.190 there's abortion procedures. Often Times what you're going to get is repulsion. Right, 258 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:25.059 they're they're not going to like what they're hearing, but you'd be surprised 259 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:29.500 how much they'll actually listen to is you're describing these abortion procedures, and I 260 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:33.420 believe you need to be intentional about doing it and not an accusatory way. 261 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.220 We got to remember these women are in fear. There's a lot of fear, 262 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:40.769 there's a lot of lies that are being spoken to them. So we're 263 00:19:40.769 --> 00:19:45.210 not trying to come across as an accusatory way. In a sense, want 264 00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:48.769 to make sure our tone is one that's a tone that sets the tone of 265 00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:55.839 kindness, gentleness, of course, but also forthrightness, like we don't need 266 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.799 to back away from the truth. I know you guys are getting from me 267 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:03.200 almost in this in this podcast, that that I kind of tiptoe and eggshells, 268 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.839 and this I don't I'm not trying to convey that this not important. 269 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.109 I just do want to convey to you guys, I think more than anything, 270 00:20:10.470 --> 00:20:12.349 that this is not what we need to be yelling at the abortion center 271 00:20:12.430 --> 00:20:18.150 constantly. Don't go in there and dismember your baby and describing a just I 272 00:20:18.269 --> 00:20:22.019 don't want us to be conveyed as the Raven Lunatics on the sidewalk that are 273 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.779 always talking about, you know, dead babies and those procedures that they do 274 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.059 inside of their I think we need to be talking about Jesus. We need 275 00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:33.859 to be talking about there's babies and their value. We need to be talking 276 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:38.289 about those mothers and what God has provided for them. But again, if 277 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:44.410 all of that sort of fails, then yeah, let's talk about the reality 278 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:49.480 of what's going to happen inside of there in a way that's informative and does 279 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.680 have some shock value to it. Let's face it, there's some shock value 280 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.559 in describing these things, and that shock value can be valuable. It can 281 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.119 awaken their conscience to the truth and for pro abortion people it can really tear 282 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.670 down that whole lot that holds just a Blob of tissue, club of sales. 283 00:21:07.549 --> 00:21:11.710 Like if pro choice people would watch the videos that we talked about with 284 00:21:11.789 --> 00:21:17.549 Dr Anthony Levantino kind of breaking down the abortion procedures that live action put out, 285 00:21:18.190 --> 00:21:21.980 it would dispel a lot of their false notions and I think some of 286 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:25.059 them would actually they would have to admit that they pent wrong, because they 287 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:30.259 sanitize this thing by using terms like abortion and fetus and medical procedures and, 288 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:33.170 hell you, reproductive healthcare and all that stuff, when I'm reality, we're 289 00:21:33.210 --> 00:21:38.769 talking about dismembering little human beings in their mother's way, right. I think 290 00:21:38.809 --> 00:21:45.769 thinking about the tone the what I object to is when I'm just hearing anger, 291 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.279 just anger at at the whole system. We all, I guess, 292 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.799 have that, but that you shouldn't be the tone of our voice. But 293 00:21:53.880 --> 00:22:02.670 I think that if your voice conveys compassion for that child, there is a 294 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:07.069 difference and and I think it's important to keep your focus not on your anger 295 00:22:07.109 --> 00:22:12.910 at the parents or the abortionist store or the e in the pro choice people, 296 00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:18.500 but to to be filled with your voice, filled with a compassion for 297 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:22.019 what is going to happen to that baby and and I think then then it 298 00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:26.900 is maybe more easily received because I think if that's really what is in your 299 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:33.490 heart, that is conveyed. So so one of the things that we have 300 00:22:33.769 --> 00:22:38.609 the benefit of as many of the abortion workers have left, including a couple 301 00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:42.970 of abortion managers in the areas where we work, where we minister, and 302 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:47.839 so we have a lot of information from them, what they've told us about 303 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.240 what made them leave, what they saw, and that's one of the things 304 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.400 I will often speak about, which is what they observed, these people who 305 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.109 saw a day in and day apt, and there was something that, even 306 00:23:02.309 --> 00:23:07.549 to their calloused hearts and eyes, there was a tipping point. Yeah, 307 00:23:07.589 --> 00:23:11.589 and what that tipping point was, and I can think of two specific things 308 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:18.220 that for me, just really stayed with me when these former workers described what 309 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:22.059 they had seen. We're going to get into and just a minute about the 310 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:27.730 procedure itself and what happens, but in one of them was a an abortion 311 00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:36.210 clinic manager and she was called into assist with with the abortion at times, 312 00:23:36.329 --> 00:23:41.720 and she was then also involved in counting the baby parts, which you have 313 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.519 to do to make sure all the baby is out of the mother at the 314 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.880 end. Yeah, and she did that. Oh, she did that many 315 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.910 times. But there was one time where the baby's eyeball floated by all by 316 00:23:55.950 --> 00:24:00.750 itself and intact eyeball in that dish, and she said there was something about 317 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:07.549 that, that sight, that was what did it for her. She just 318 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:14.779 she realized, I can't do this anymore. And and just that visual as 319 00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:18.339 even as I said that, my eyes teered up the visual of what it 320 00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:23.809 took for an intact eyeball to be removed from a living child. Then the 321 00:24:25.089 --> 00:24:29.210 second thing that really struck me. This was I don't think this was an 322 00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:33.690 abortion manager. She was she was a nurse or a technician that served in 323 00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:37.599 the abortion room and when she left she was very traumatized. I would say 324 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.759 she definitely had post traumatic syndrome, stressing Rome and and did end up having 325 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:52.759 a lot of counseling and help. But I asked her what what made you 326 00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:56.750 leave and she said it wasn't so much what I saw, it was the 327 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:02.390 sounds and which made no sense to me. And I said the sounds, 328 00:25:02.589 --> 00:25:06.670 what what do you mean? And she said when the abortionist would rip the 329 00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:11.259 limb from the baby's body. There would be an audible pop as the joint 330 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.779 was destroyed, as the limb was pulled out at the joint. And and 331 00:25:17.779 --> 00:25:21.609 hearing that again again makes me want to cry just thinking of that. And 332 00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.769 I remember, maybe it was Dr Leavittino, someone saying an abortionist has to 333 00:25:26.849 --> 00:25:32.049 be strong. It's not easy to rip apart a living child. So you 334 00:25:32.210 --> 00:25:37.000 say things like that, it just hits you in your gut and the I 335 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.680 we haven't even started describing the procedure. But you know, I think it's 336 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.559 valuable to know what the abortion workers themselves have have said or the terrible things 337 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:56.509 that they've that they've seen. Yeah, so, so maybe we want to 338 00:25:56.750 --> 00:26:02.230 one of the things that is also important to convey, and in the article 339 00:26:02.990 --> 00:26:07.140 that will be putting out we will have a link to another article where talks 340 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:12.539 about some of the dangers to the woman, particularly in that article it talked 341 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:17.460 mostly about surgical abortion. I think Daniel made later on you're going to talk 342 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:22.009 about the pill abortion some of the dangers with that. But one of them 343 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:27.569 there is a huge risk of I don't know huge risk. Let's see, 344 00:26:27.569 --> 00:26:32.369 I actually have it down in this article. It said point three two percent 345 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:41.279 of women have uterine perforation as a risk, and the reason for that is 346 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.839 most abortions are blind, which means they are not ultrasound guided. In a 347 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:52.150 surgical abortion, in most cases the abortionist is going in blindly and into the 348 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:56.670 woman. With that a tool called the sofur clamp, which is kind of 349 00:26:56.750 --> 00:27:02.220 like a, I don't know, a forceps with sharp, sharp metal teeth, 350 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:07.019 and he's going to just blindly reach around until he hits something hard, 351 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:10.539 which is the baby. You know, it might be a hand, afoot 352 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:17.250 and arm or a leg, but he could also hit the uterus because there's 353 00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:22.329 no ultrasound guiding where that tool is going. So the woman, the woman, 354 00:27:22.450 --> 00:27:25.769 can be damaged if any of the baby parts are left in there. 355 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:32.039 The risk of infection. One and a hundred twenty five women has a dangerous 356 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:41.279 infection following a surgical abortion. There's increased risk of premature birth and subsequent pregnancies, 357 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.269 and that that's a pretty big risk. Again, one and twenty three 358 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:53.509 women. So those are not insignificant risks of of the abortion. So they 359 00:27:56.509 --> 00:28:03.740 these two videos that you talked about are really good. We're going to link 360 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:08.059 them up. Dr Levantino describing what happens in in a s urgical abortion, 361 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:14.769 and that that's where we'll will start. I've already started kind of describing that. 362 00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:18.289 He goes in the the cervix is softened. Yeah, he goes in 363 00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:23.569 with a this sofur clamp and other tools, but the sofur clamp it can 364 00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:27.640 both grab and hang on tightly and it's not going to let go. And 365 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.920 also the teeth or sharp, so it's also piercing and suffering as a and 366 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:40.359 so he goes in there, grabs whatever he finds, clamps, twist and 367 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:47.390 literally rips off a piece of the baby and and then does that over and 368 00:28:47.430 --> 00:28:52.990 over again until the baby has been removed. Depending upon the end the baby 369 00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:57.059 is living. I don't know how long the baby lives. In the video 370 00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:02.579 it makes it look like the baby lives. It's a kind of cartoony video, 371 00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:06.220 but I assume it's based on what he knows is the truth, and 372 00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:11.210 it looks like the baby lives at least through that first limb being ripped off 373 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:18.490 and possibly through the second, probably excruciating pain. We definitely there's no doubt 374 00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:22.849 a baby at twenty weeks feels pain, probably earlier than that. They certainly 375 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:27.720 respond to touch at eight weeks. But because you know, sometimes you will 376 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:34.480 hear the pro choice crowd say that they're the CORTEX isn't fully developed and so 377 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:40.269 the baby can't possibly deal pain. But that's a misunderstanding of neurology, which 378 00:29:40.269 --> 00:29:45.670 I studied. I was an occupational therapist my first career, and the CORTEX 379 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:51.109 actually has an inhibitory effect. It dampens our sensory input. That's one of 380 00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:55.619 the main roles of the CORTEX. So there when the CORTEX is fully developed, 381 00:29:55.660 --> 00:30:02.940 it actually decreases the impact of pain, because otherwise the just the pain 382 00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:07.609 would be so excruciating that we would go into shock. But when there's no 383 00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:14.049 cortex yet fully developed, the pain is exaggerated. So this baby probably feels 384 00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:21.640 pain to an unimaginable degree, depending on the age of the child. But 385 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.240 then because the skull, depending again on the age of the unborn baby, 386 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.519 the skull is hard, it has already calcified and it cannot be pulled through 387 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.349 the cervix. And so the abortionist, with that sofur clamp, goes in 388 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:42.589 and crushes the skull and and then removes the the shards of the skull and 389 00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:48.509 a milky white fluid comes out that's that's the brains coming out from the woman. 390 00:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.980 And what I read is when that skull is crushed again there's a danger 391 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:57.539 of a perforated uterus because those fragments are sharp and there either it can perforate 392 00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.859 the uterus, it can perforate the cervix, it can damage other organs. 393 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:08.210 So and then then the abortionist goes back in with a curet or suction scrapes 394 00:31:08.329 --> 00:31:14.809 out anything that he might have missed and all of these pieces are suctioned and 395 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:22.599 collected in in a dish where then a technician or a nurse will put the 396 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.039 pieces back together and and count and make sure that all the baby parts are 397 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.839 out and if they are, those all go into a medical waste bag and 398 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:37.950 and then in at our facility, those bags are all collected in a certain 399 00:31:37.990 --> 00:31:41.829 time each week. A truck in our area called the sterocycle truck will come 400 00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:47.859 and pick up this medical waste and it. The irony of this never escapes 401 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:52.019 me. On the side of the truck is the sterocycle slogan, which is 402 00:31:52.619 --> 00:32:00.019 we protect what matters and and when. When I have finished describing that in 403 00:32:00.339 --> 00:32:05.490 detail and like, like you said, I it is a last resort. 404 00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.930 If I'm talking about that, it's because I know there's someone in there who's 405 00:32:09.930 --> 00:32:14.690 about to have a surgical abortion. When I'm describing this, and and I 406 00:32:14.890 --> 00:32:19.240 know that we've tried everything else. Are Three talking points. Their heart is 407 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.359 so hard that I feel this is this is all that I have left, 408 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.519 anyway, that I can think of to say, and I will often conclude 409 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:35.069 with with the sentence. Should any civilized society condone this in any arm? 410 00:32:35.109 --> 00:32:39.190 Yeah, of course the answer is no. Right, and this is what 411 00:32:39.349 --> 00:32:44.339 you've just described, the graphic reality of what we're dealing with, right, 412 00:32:45.099 --> 00:32:49.700 and even though it's not fun to talk about and of course, as you're 413 00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.339 going through and describing all of that stuff, it's just so, so gruesome. 414 00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:57.180 Yeah, but it is the gruesome reality of what's going on in those 415 00:32:57.259 --> 00:33:00.769 buildings, right, and you know, we shouldn't shy away from that. 416 00:33:01.809 --> 00:33:07.049 It's a I mean we think about, I go back to but happened in 417 00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:14.400 the days of Nazi Germany and really describing how they gassed Jews. They called 418 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.000 them nonhuman, just like we do in our society for these unborn children, 419 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.839 right, and of course, the graphic nature of what they did in that 420 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.309 that needs to be described, it needs to be explained to modern society so 421 00:33:27.470 --> 00:33:30.789 that we can stop the wickedness that we're involved in. Yeah, the same 422 00:33:30.829 --> 00:33:37.069 way like in the days of slavery and the graphic things that were done to 423 00:33:37.269 --> 00:33:39.309 the Africans that were brought over here, in others who were brought over here 424 00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:43.700 to this country and then other countries around the world that have been involved in 425 00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:49.460 slavery. It's like human beings are treated like less than human. They're treated 426 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:53.099 like in this case, it's describing these procedures treated like medical waste exactly, 427 00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:58.529 and thrown away. Is Garbage, right, and that's a that's a gross 428 00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:00.730 reality that needs to be shared. I think it needs to be shared in 429 00:34:00.769 --> 00:34:06.049 a big picture way with society at large, but I do think also with 430 00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:09.360 the mother's and with the fathers that this needs to be shared and it needs 431 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.079 to be personalized in the sense that I explained earlier. Like I'm talking to 432 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.599 a young man, I'm going to explain to him this is what's going to 433 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.920 happen to your son or your daughter, and in the same way, these 434 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.550 these mothers, this is what's going to happen, this is what you're going 435 00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:29.030 to be doing to your son, to your daughter? Would you want to 436 00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.789 do that to your baby? And of course the reality is people can accuse 437 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.309 us of again being over the top and just, you know, trying to 438 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:43.179 use as a shock factor or whatever, but you can go on Google very 439 00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.659 easily and find out what an abortion procedure and tails. You can go on 440 00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:50.340 Google very easily and find out fetal development. Does my baby at nine weeks 441 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:53.769 have arms or legs? What does an abortion do at nine weeks? And 442 00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:58.849 the fact is that these women, if they have the abortion, many of 443 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:02.130 them, are going to find out the graphic reality of abortion. They're conscious 444 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:06.690 is going to be bothering them. They're going to be wondering that really do 445 00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:08.440 what I think I did, that I really kill a baby, or was 446 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.039 it just a blob of tissue, a clump of cells? They're going to 447 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.679 go on Google and they're going to find out there. This is something I 448 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.639 will say on the microphone is I'm describing these abortion procedures. I'll say something 449 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.030 to the effect of you might not like what you're hearing, but the fact 450 00:35:22.150 --> 00:35:24.349 is that you're going to find out the truth about abortion at some point. 451 00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:29.789 Our heart our desires that you find out about abortion, about what you're about 452 00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.110 to do to your baby before you do it, and, based on that 453 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:36.780 truth, you turn away from it because the Bible says the truth will set 454 00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.380 you free. Right, because they again, they're going to come face to 455 00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:43.460 face with the reality of abortion. They might come face to face with that 456 00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:46.699 reality on Google or, Gosh, the worst thing, they come face to 457 00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:51.170 face with that reality when they stand before God and they give an account for 458 00:35:51.289 --> 00:35:54.090 what they've done. So our heart, our desires not just to gross them 459 00:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.530 out and not to just come across as some kind of you know people bring 460 00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:05.079 in the shock factor, whatever our heart is, to share the truth in 461 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.599 hopes of that truth will turn them away from what they're about to do so 462 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.760 they don't have to face that reality. That's right, yeah, to convict 463 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.239 their hearts of what actually happens. And of course you can't do that if 464 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.789 you don't know. And I even just watching the video, which I've seen 465 00:36:20.869 --> 00:36:23.150 many, many times, and it's not even a real baby. It's a 466 00:36:23.389 --> 00:36:27.789 depiction, you know, it's almost Hartuny, like I said, but even 467 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:32.260 with that, it just it's horrifying. It's so horrifying. So it's not 468 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:38.099 pleasant, but it is very important that anyone involved in pro life ministry understand 469 00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:43.420 what happens and be able to knowledge. But the speak about what happens. 470 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.460 So, Daniel, what happens then? Is A pill any better? We 471 00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:50.170 hear over and over them saying yeah, pills just fine. Here's one thing 472 00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:52.889 that I wouldn't try to mention as often as I can actually, because I 473 00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:59.849 see a lot of times people on the sidewalks even conflating the abortion peal with 474 00:36:59.889 --> 00:37:02.000 the morning after peal. Right, and so some people might even say, 475 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.519 well, the abortion center in our city, they don't. They don't do 476 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.599 real abortions. They only do the pill and they equate that because they say 477 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.599 it's like the morning after pill. But it's not. The abortion pill in 478 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.150 the morning after pill are two completely different things. The morning after peal someone 479 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:20.789 would take if they think they had, if they had unprotected sex and they're 480 00:37:20.789 --> 00:37:24.949 afraid they might get pregnant. It actually primarily keeps the mother from conceiving a 481 00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:29.590 child or keeps the woman from conceiving a baby. That's a primary function. 482 00:37:29.909 --> 00:37:32.300 It could be abortive. It could be abortive facient, as that is that 483 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.739 the word it could, it could be, but that's not the primary way 484 00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.340 it works and it's not always a matter of fact, it's probably not even 485 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.650 often an abortion. It just keeps her from conceiving. So that's one thing. 486 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:51.969 The abortion pill procedure, though, is always an abortion. It's always 487 00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:58.289 killing a conceived child because typically the abortion pill will be administered, if a 488 00:37:58.329 --> 00:38:02.039 woman chooses that procedure, between five and ten weeks. Normally they don't do 489 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:07.159 an abortion peal procedure after ten weeks because there's some further complications that can that 490 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.869 can happen, and I don't think it's even been FDA approved past ten weeks, 491 00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:15.750 at least the last that I that I knew. And most of the 492 00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:20.230 abortion centers that do the abortion pill only, like a lot of plan parenthoods 493 00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:24.110 here in southern California do the abortion pill only, I think, well across 494 00:38:24.190 --> 00:38:29.980 the nation, plan parenthoods and other abortion centers that do the abortion pill only 495 00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:34.179 on Ne do abortions up to ten weeks, but the abortion pill procedure. 496 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:37.139 And again we've done podcast about this, so please take advantage of those. 497 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:43.769 Be Knowledgeable about this. The abortion pill procedure is just as much an abortion 498 00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.809 as a surgical abortion. So let's just be clear about that if the abortion 499 00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:52.090 center down the road from Your House or near your church only does the abortion 500 00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:57.119 pill, they are still killing babies. Okay, it's not. It's not. 501 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.440 And now maybe in our minds and with our human sensitivities it's a little 502 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.519 less graphic, maybe because it's not actually dismembering a baby. Because very early 503 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.440 along, even at six weeks, five weeks, if they do a surgical 504 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.429 abortion, they do a suction aspiration abortion where the baby is sucked through a 505 00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:19.230 to a Canula, in essence, sucks through a vacuum tube and, you 506 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.150 know, it's little body is put into a peatree dish, being kind of 507 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:29.139 just ground up through that section. That's a dismemberment aboard. That baby's being 508 00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:31.739 dismembered. He or she's very small, and so we even might think of 509 00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:36.820 that as being a little less graphic because they're not actually taking forceps and dismembering 510 00:39:36.900 --> 00:39:40.170 the baby. But the reality is, if we believe life begins a conception 511 00:39:40.329 --> 00:39:45.889 and we believe that every human being is valuable from conception to natural death right, 512 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:52.280 and we believe that being prolife right, then whether they're no matter what 513 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.280 the procedure is and no matter how far along the baby is, it's still 514 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.760 an act of violence and it's still wrong and it's still sin and we still 515 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.199 need to be speaking against it. So again, if they only do the 516 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.349 abortion pill where in your city, they're still killing children inside of that place. 517 00:40:09.389 --> 00:40:15.989 Right and sadly, this is I know it's the California phenomenon and I'm 518 00:40:15.989 --> 00:40:19.230 sure it is many of the places, many of the states here on the 519 00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:23.420 West Coast and I'm sure some Midwest states and maybe even, I'm sure, 520 00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:27.099 up in New York as well, where you can actually a woman can actually 521 00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.139 get the abortion pill through. Tell of Mead where she didn't even have to 522 00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.059 see a doctor, she didn't even have to have an ultrasound. She can 523 00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.050 just say hey, I'm this far along and she can take the abortion pills 524 00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:39.289 and do that whole thing at home. And that's dangerous. Dr Matt talked 525 00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:44.210 about that in our last podcast several months ago about the abortion pill. But 526 00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:45.889 I'm just I'm going to describe, if that's okay, Vicky, what the 527 00:40:45.929 --> 00:40:51.840 abortion pill in tells yes, and and just really I'll talk a little bit 528 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.199 about their risks, but just to kind of help you guys to understand the 529 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.920 graphic nature of the abortion pill and I mentioned earlier there's a video out there 530 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.719 from the unplanned movie. There's a segment of that whole movie you can find 531 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:08.550 on Youtube. I think you can just search unplanned abortion pill and in you'll 532 00:41:08.590 --> 00:41:12.710 find a video. I think it's three or four minutes long. Even try 533 00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:15.429 to again link it in this article or in the show notes of the podcast. 534 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:19.019 But the abortion pill works. Is actually not one pill, it's actually 535 00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.139 two medications. So that's why I would say it's the abortion pill procedure, 536 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.940 because it's the procedure, not just one pill. So it's not like they 537 00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:29.139 go into the abortion center, they take a pill and they go on right, 538 00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.380 and some people imagine this is the pro abortion. People in the abortion 539 00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:35.690 industry wants us to believe that that's what it is. You just take a 540 00:41:35.769 --> 00:41:37.530 peel, your baby disappear as you go on with your life, your problems 541 00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:40.769 disappear, you go on with your life a regular period and it's no big 542 00:41:40.769 --> 00:41:44.730 deal. Yeah right, yeah, so it's sanitizes the whole thing, but 543 00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:49.559 the reality is it's much more graphic than that and it's much more involved than 544 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.639 that. It's not that you take the peel baby kind of just dissolves, 545 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.320 the pregnancy, the product of conception, dissolves and go on with your life. 546 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.599 No, they give them a medication inside the abortion clinic. Typically, 547 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.829 is how it works. They'll go into the abortion clinic, they'll typically get 548 00:42:01.869 --> 00:42:07.150 an ultrasound to make sure they're ten weeks or before so they can actually do 549 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:13.389 the abortion pill, and then they give them a medication called mythopristone or myphoprex 550 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:16.820 is the brand name. I'm sure there's generic versions now, but they'll give 551 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:21.500 them that medication inside and that's the Medica inside the abortion center and that's the 552 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:24.340 medication. The actual will kill the baby. So I won't get into all 553 00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:28.980 the details because Dr Matt explains it in that podcast about it, but it 554 00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.730 basically cuts off the flow of blood, oxygen and nutrients of the baby needs 555 00:42:31.730 --> 00:42:37.050 to stay alive. The baby, the Placenta is attached to the uterine wall 556 00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:40.409 that ultimately gets nutrients from the mother's body and gives that nutrients to the baby's 557 00:42:40.449 --> 00:42:45.400 body. That placenta is detached from the uterine wall and the baby in essence 558 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.280 dies of not having the nutrients and the auction in that he or she needs 559 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.000 to survive. And then so the mother will take that. The effects of 560 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.559 that medication, Mefapristone, take place in twenty four to forty eight hours. 561 00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:01.510 It takes some time for that medication to take an effect. Meanwhile, that 562 00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:07.110 woman is sent home and she's told to take the next medication. Miss a 563 00:43:07.230 --> 00:43:10.230 pistol or sight attack is the brand name, and it's a medication that will 564 00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:14.019 put her into Labor. But of course, in an early pregnancy like that 565 00:43:14.380 --> 00:43:16.820 and the medic the medication they gave read the abortion clinic, killed the child's 566 00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.980 in essence, what's happening is they put her into Labor with that side attack, 567 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.460 that she takes it home and she delivers that dead baby, often times 568 00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:29.010 in the toilet or sometimes even in the bathtub. Is She's trying to relieve 569 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:34.250 herself of the pain that comes, because that medication actually calls cause us contractions 570 00:43:34.289 --> 00:43:37.050 and all that sometimes wrong. Gulimal sittings. Yeah, sometimes a woman be 571 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.519 sitting in a warm bath and the baby will will be delivered that way. 572 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.679 Of course, at that point, often times that baby's dead. And of 573 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.320 course, if you see that video from the unplanned movie and the abortion peel 574 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.750 procedure being played out in the bathroom, there there's blood everywhere. And digging 575 00:43:55.789 --> 00:44:02.429 into plant parenthoods and the book, the abortion industries fine print on the abortion 576 00:44:02.469 --> 00:44:06.590 peel procedure, if you read their fine print, and this is on plant 577 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:10.380 pairhoods website, you'll see that one out of five hundred women that go through 578 00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.059 with the abortion pell procedure will require a blood transfusion. So they're going to 579 00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:19.820 lose a lot of blood. They tell the women, because we've heard this 580 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:22.940 oftentimes, it's going to be like a minstrel cycle. It's not going to 581 00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:27.969 be that big a deal. Whenever actually on plan parents website, I think 582 00:44:27.969 --> 00:44:30.610 they say I may get this a little wrong. You guys can dig into 583 00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:35.010 it. Maybe I'll even link that in this in this article, if we 584 00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:37.760 can do that, but they say that the woman could pass golf ball size 585 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.719 blood clots as she's going through with this abortion peel procedure. Now, of 586 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.559 course, you know I've talked a lot about how it affects the mother, 587 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.800 but of course you talk a little bit again about how to fix the baby. 588 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.989 That baby is a basically starved to death that child, and very early, 589 00:44:55.269 --> 00:44:58.750 you know, ten weeks, you can already tell. Of course it's 590 00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:00.030 a baby. Arms legs, fingers and toes and all that stuff. That 591 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:05.949 baby's already moving around, very small, but it's a baby and all the 592 00:45:05.989 --> 00:45:09.099 nutrients, all the things that baby's innescence starve to death or suffocated because he 593 00:45:09.219 --> 00:45:13.900 or she's not getting the blood, oxygen and nutrients that they need to stay 594 00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:16.380 alive. And so it's an act of violence. Again, it's not any 595 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:22.090 less an abortion as a surgical abortion. It's just oftentimes completed at home. 596 00:45:22.769 --> 00:45:25.289 And so I will lay that whole thing out what I just laid out for 597 00:45:25.289 --> 00:45:28.610 you guys. I'll lay that out for the MOM. If I have the 598 00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:31.170 opportunity, I'll lay that out for the dad and I'll say something. It's 599 00:45:31.210 --> 00:45:36.239 kind of at the end of that. You know that stream of thought is, 600 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.760 do you want that to happen to your baby, and do you want 601 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.639 that to happen to you, or do you want that to happen to your 602 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.039 girlfriend? To understand that there's risks involved. You understand that there are women 603 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.190 that have died that have taken the abortion peel, because there have been. 604 00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:55.989 One woman I know locally, and Charlotte, died from the abortion pills. 605 00:45:57.070 --> 00:46:00.429 She died actually because the doctor didn't do his due diligence and giving her an 606 00:46:00.469 --> 00:46:06.460 ultrasound and finding out actually her baby was an ectopic pregnancy. In the abortion 607 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:09.820 pill doesn't do anything for nicktopic pregnancy. Her felopian to ruptured and she died. 608 00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:14.699 So it wasn't a reass a direct result of the abortion pill itself, 609 00:46:15.219 --> 00:46:21.969 but it was, of course the doctor's negligence, and doctors can be negn 610 00:46:22.050 --> 00:46:27.250 negligent, especially doctors that are paid to kill people's children from money, right. 611 00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:30.730 And so we laying all that out. Being informed of all that stuff 612 00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.039 is really helpful and if you know that, if you kind of go through 613 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.239 like what we've just shared with you guys, and your knowledgeable about what the 614 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.119 abortion procedures and tail then you're more knowledgeable than most of the socalled poy pro 615 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.880 choice people that support this stuff. If you have that knowledge and what we 616 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.789 shared in this podcast, you've got more more knowledge than even some of the 617 00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:52.070 people that work inside the abortion clinic, because they don't have a clue. 618 00:46:52.710 --> 00:46:57.590 They've been really lie they've been really duped and they've duped themselves and number their 619 00:46:57.630 --> 00:47:00.429 own consciences seared. Their own conscience has to believe that this is just about 620 00:47:00.429 --> 00:47:06.260 a woman's body and they are disconnected from the reality that there are two people 621 00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:08.820 to be considered in each of these abortion procedures, that, yes, the 622 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.780 woman should be considered, but the baby is also to be considered, and 623 00:47:13.940 --> 00:47:16.369 that baby's not just some foreign object to remove from her body, but it's 624 00:47:16.409 --> 00:47:21.530 actually a human being, right, and that's why you have, like what 625 00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:25.250 you're talking about, these these abortion workers, really shocked with with the truth 626 00:47:25.329 --> 00:47:28.969 of what's going on. Yeah, and you think about it, just kind 627 00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.360 of as a side note. Now mentioned this too, that you have a 628 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.519 woman who's believed the lies that the abortion industry has told her, that her 629 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960 baby's just a blob of tissue or clump of cells, that what she's going 630 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.719 to go through with the abortion peel procedure, for example, is just like 631 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.989 a menstrual cycle. She she believes that she goes in, she goes through 632 00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:50.070 with the abortion peel procedure and, like some women have not, not I 633 00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:52.269 don't even know the majority, but it has happened, because we've heard of 634 00:47:52.389 --> 00:47:55.389 this. She's believed all of that stuff, that it's not a baby, 635 00:47:55.710 --> 00:47:59.539 and then she delivers this child at nine weeks, ten weeks, into the 636 00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:01.579 toilet and she looks into the toilet to see, you know, did she 637 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:06.139 just pass a golf ball size blood clot? I mean what? Obviously you 638 00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:07.739 want to see what's going on there. It looks down and she sees a 639 00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:13.130 fully formed, intact baby that she killed. I think about that. She's 640 00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:15.969 been told it's a blob of tissue, a clump of cells, but she 641 00:48:15.090 --> 00:48:17.889 comes face to face of the reality of what she's done right there in her 642 00:48:17.969 --> 00:48:22.210 bathroom by herself, seeing her baby, her son or daughter, and of 643 00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:27.960 course, oftentimes flushing that baby down the toilet like waste. What a grievous 644 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.800 thing. What a grievous thing for her? Yeah, to really have been 645 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.119 lied to and duped and the people that are supposed to support her in telling 646 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.800 her this is health care, actually told her it was a Blob of tissue 647 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.909 and she sees it's a baby and then, of course, for that that 648 00:48:42.230 --> 00:48:45.869 that baby like. What a grievous thing, yeah, to have happened to 649 00:48:45.949 --> 00:48:50.750 her into that baby. Yeah, I've heard many pro choice people try to 650 00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:53.989 defend all of this, particularly with the pill, because the baby so much 651 00:48:54.030 --> 00:49:00.340 smaller early on, saying well, it's not sentient, the baby doesn't know 652 00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:06.500 that. The baby's being starved or asphyxiated. And I just come right back 653 00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:15.610 with where else is a stronger person to prey upon a completely vulnerable little person? 654 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:20.650 And it's okay because, I think again, it is so important to 655 00:49:20.809 --> 00:49:27.199 keep bringing everyone back to the fact this is a human being and it may 656 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.840 not be fully developed. He or she may not be fully developed, but 657 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:39.230 he or she is vulnerable and we are as as civilized people, should protect 658 00:49:39.550 --> 00:49:49.030 the vulnerable, not contribute to their death because they can't defend themselves. Heavy 659 00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:53.300 subject and we know it is and we're sorry for that. But but I 660 00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:58.900 think again to reiterate, saying that an abortion is barbaric is one thing and 661 00:49:59.659 --> 00:50:05.500 most people will be able to just continue on into a clinic, but describing 662 00:50:06.139 --> 00:50:10.969 the barber the barbaric nature of an abortion blow by blow is a completely different 663 00:50:12.769 --> 00:50:21.050 thing and I think it really does help someone to come more truthfully to grips 664 00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:27.199 with what they're doing. And once you have delivered that message, then your 665 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:38.030 responsibility before God and for that child has has been properly done and now it's 666 00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:45.309 up to God and that woman and and you are absolved of the guilt of 667 00:50:45.429 --> 00:50:49.789 that child's blood. Yeah, absolutely we're called to speak the truth. Yeah, 668 00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:52.179 of course we're called to speak the truth. In love, right. 669 00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:59.340 We're called to speak the truth and and let the Lord apply that Truth and 670 00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:01.980 let the Lord in the heart of that mother change her heart and change her 671 00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:07.610 mind. And so, guys, this has been a heavy subject. This 672 00:51:07.769 --> 00:51:09.130 is not one of those podcasts where you end and it's like, you know, 673 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:14.409 I'll joy and great, great stuff and great feelings. Right, there's 674 00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:17.489 a heaviness and there should be a heaviness. But we hope that this podcast 675 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.280 has been equipping for you, guys, and we hope that you've been challenged 676 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.679 to to be able to share the truth of what abortion does to those precious 677 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.989 little babies with the MOMS, with the dad's when appropriate, and so we 678 00:51:32.269 --> 00:51:37.510 love for you guys to take advantage. We mentioned a few articles and a 679 00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:43.110 few videos. I would just set aside sometime, guys, and do your 680 00:51:43.150 --> 00:51:45.869 due diligence and study this subject matter, even as difficult as it might be, 681 00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:51.420 be praying through the whole thing and letting God minister to your heart, 682 00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:53.780 because this is this is heavy stuff to be to be watching and to be 683 00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:58.179 listening to, but I do think it's worth it. To be informed of 684 00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.969 what's going on inside of those places of death and even to have it your 685 00:52:02.690 --> 00:52:07.730 your fingertips. The videos to show the women going into the abortion center when 686 00:52:07.769 --> 00:52:10.690 appropriate. Yeah, but again, we hope this is equipping you, guys. 687 00:52:10.730 --> 00:52:14.050 We encourage you. Guys. Please reach out to us if you have 688 00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:16.880 questions other subjects she's like for us to cover. You can reach me at 689 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.119 Daniel at love life dot org, reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. 690 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.440 We love to talk with you the email and answer any questions, encourage 691 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.920 you as much as we were able to, and with that will wrap this 692 00:52:30.030 --> 00:52:36.710 thing up and until next time, God bless God, bless y'all. Give 693 00:52:36.869 --> 00:52:49.699 me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know 694 00:52:50.059 --> 00:52:59.050 it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you