When and How To Describe Abortion Procedures

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So we're 36 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:58.909 going to cover, as we do often times, a subject that kind of 37 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.669 came across our radar as we were talking with local counselors. Vicki was talking 38 00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:07.110 with local counselor in Charlotte, and so Vicky introduced our topic real quick, 39 00:03:07.150 --> 00:03:10.870 if you will please, and we'll jump right into it. Sure. So 40 00:03:10.990 --> 00:03:19.060 we're going to talk about when you should describe graphically what happens in an abortion. 41 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.020 When and if, I guess some people are probably wondering, should you 42 00:03:23.180 --> 00:03:27.849 ever do that? So if you should, first of all rationale for that, 43 00:03:28.969 --> 00:03:32.449 when you should, if you choose to describe in detail an abortion, 44 00:03:34.090 --> 00:03:38.969 and then how, yeah, you would describe it. So you have to, 45 00:03:38.129 --> 00:03:43.840 sadly, have a pretty good knowledge of what happens in the various types 46 00:03:43.879 --> 00:03:50.159 of abortions and the the topic was came up when we had a mom we'd 47 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.439 basically tried everything with and we're going to go over that in a little bit 48 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.669 more depth. But and and I suggested to one of our counselors, maybe 49 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:00.990 it's time to in grow some detail, let this woman know what's going to 50 00:04:01.069 --> 00:04:08.710 happen to that baby, because she was a second trimester abortion and and the 51 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.379 councilor said, you know, I I don't feel really comfortable doing that. 52 00:04:12.659 --> 00:04:19.300 She just really wasn't well versed yet in what actually happens in specifically a surgical 53 00:04:19.339 --> 00:04:23.819 abortion, because we knew that that was what was going to happen during Ye 54 00:04:24.259 --> 00:04:28.089 for that child. And so I got on the microphone own and and described 55 00:04:28.129 --> 00:04:36.170 it and there was all of the loud, noisy raucus lying pro abortion group 56 00:04:36.209 --> 00:04:41.680 were silent, just just silent, and we all got this sense, it 57 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.040 was like there was this very somber silence that fell over the place and we 58 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:51.040 realized, you know, we probably maybe don't even do this enough, because 59 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.750 this is the truth. This is the truth of what's going to happen to 60 00:04:57.269 --> 00:05:01.430 these babies and these MOMS need to know because they are not being told and 61 00:05:02.389 --> 00:05:06.110 most of them don't know and in fact neither do I believe, many of 62 00:05:06.180 --> 00:05:12.259 the socalled pro choice people. Yeah, so we decided we really needed to 63 00:05:13.180 --> 00:05:17.500 inform anyone that maybe is not aware of what happened. They need to know 64 00:05:18.100 --> 00:05:21.970 what happens in an abortion, as well as when to use it. Yeah, 65 00:05:23.009 --> 00:05:26.129 yeah, I think it's important that, just in general, that we 66 00:05:26.370 --> 00:05:30.250 know what happens in an abortion so that we're informed of what we're dealing with. 67 00:05:30.490 --> 00:05:32.850 Right, we need to know, we need to be well informed and 68 00:05:33.529 --> 00:05:36.839 of course we have it in our pamphlets, the little pamphlets that we hand 69 00:05:36.839 --> 00:05:42.839 out at the abortion center, hope is here pamphlets, and you know, 70 00:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.759 I think it's important that if you're going to hand something out, that you've 71 00:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.000 read what you're handing out and you're well versed and what's inside of that. 72 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:53.310 And now it doesn't get into graphic details, gets in some detail about what 73 00:05:53.389 --> 00:05:57.750 happens in those abortion procedures and it breaks down like the medical abortion, first 74 00:05:57.750 --> 00:06:01.230 trimester, a second trimester, third tremester abortions and the procedures that are involved 75 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:04.660 in that. And so it's helpful that you have the information, especially again, 76 00:06:04.660 --> 00:06:08.379 if you're going to hand out that information. And I want to say 77 00:06:08.500 --> 00:06:13.420 too, that you know we don't want to come out of the gate talking 78 00:06:13.459 --> 00:06:16.540 about the abortion procedures. See how gruesome they are right and the reason why 79 00:06:16.660 --> 00:06:19.129 is because we want to try to build a relationship with that woman. We 80 00:06:19.170 --> 00:06:24.410 don't want to it just immediately shut the conversation down. Grosser out with what 81 00:06:24.569 --> 00:06:27.529 she's doing and she kind of shuts down in her mind when she hears this 82 00:06:27.689 --> 00:06:31.879 graphic reality what's happening inside of there. But we have our three talking points 83 00:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.160 right, hey, what God says, what God says about the baby, 84 00:06:35.199 --> 00:06:40.800 about the mom, the humanity to the baby, describing fetal development and all 85 00:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.439 of that. Heart begins to beat at sixteen, Seventeen to twenty one days 86 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.709 after conception, and then, of course, the resources that are available. 87 00:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.189 So those are three main talking points. We stick to those as much as 88 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:55.269 we can, but there is a time when it's appropriate to get outside of 89 00:06:55.350 --> 00:07:00.029 that framework, certainly, and when you've kind of thrown everything at them as 90 00:07:00.069 --> 00:07:02.379 far as these three talking points are concerned, and there's a lot that's included 91 00:07:02.459 --> 00:07:08.060 in those three talking points. It's a framework really of points that we touch 92 00:07:08.180 --> 00:07:11.699 on, but there's a lot that can be said even within that framework. 93 00:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.250 But there are some things outside of that framework and talking about abortion procedures is 94 00:07:15.410 --> 00:07:19.850 one of those things and I think this can actually be a very effective way 95 00:07:20.689 --> 00:07:25.370 to help really awaken the conscience of the woman as you're talking to her, 96 00:07:25.810 --> 00:07:29.250 and I've done it talking to the men as well. I'll ask them as 97 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.240 if they come out on the sidewalk or whatever, if they stop in their 98 00:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.480 vehicle to talk, I'll ask them how far along is she? I'll just 99 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.439 go right for how far long is your girlfriend? And then do you know 100 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.560 what's going to happen to your baby? And I do want to make sure 101 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.470 in personalize that, right. I don't want to say something like you know 102 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:50.509 what happens to babies in procedures, or you know what's going to happen to 103 00:07:50.550 --> 00:07:54.550 her baby. No, I don't make it personal for him as a man, 104 00:07:54.629 --> 00:07:57.189 and if I'm talking to a woman, I want to make it personal. 105 00:07:57.230 --> 00:07:59.459 Do you know what's going to happen to your baby? I might even 106 00:07:59.500 --> 00:08:01.500 say you know what's going to happen to your son or daughter that you carry 107 00:08:01.540 --> 00:08:05.379 in your womb? Do you know what's going to happen to your son or 108 00:08:05.420 --> 00:08:09.459 daughter that she carries in her womb? And then, of course, I'll 109 00:08:09.500 --> 00:08:13.689 break down if I know that she's if he says she's nine weeks along or 110 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.889 whatever, I'll take his word for it and I'll begin to describe what you 111 00:08:16.970 --> 00:08:18.529 know, if she's going to take the abortion pill. A lot of times 112 00:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.050 they don't know, but I found that they will actually say, well, 113 00:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.290 she's taking the pill, because it almost kind of like in their mind, 114 00:08:24.370 --> 00:08:28.519 minimizes it. It's not really an abortion. And even some, some Christians, 115 00:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.039 some pro life, or especially people that are new to this kind of 116 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.000 view, it that that way, that surgical abortions are real abortions, abortion 117 00:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919 pills are not, and we're going to talk about that toward the end of 118 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.149 this article a little bit breaking down that, because a medical abortion, the 119 00:08:41.230 --> 00:08:46.110 abortion pell procedure, is just as much as an abortion, and I will 120 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:50.309 say that it's just as much an abortion as a surgical abortion and in some 121 00:08:50.509 --> 00:08:56.139 ways can be a little more graphic. If you guys have seen the unplanned 122 00:08:56.259 --> 00:08:58.019 movie, there's a whole scene in there and we're going to give you a 123 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.659 few in the article. We're going to give you a few links and I 124 00:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.460 think maybe, Vicky, we should link that article as well, or that 125 00:09:05.980 --> 00:09:11.769 that Youtube video in this article as well, where it's a scene in unplanned 126 00:09:11.169 --> 00:09:16.409 where the person who portrays Abby Johnson actually goes through an abortion pill procedure. 127 00:09:16.809 --> 00:09:20.409 She's in the bathroom, blood all over the place after the abortion pill procedure 128 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.720 is completed, and we've done numerous episodes. Go on the Gospel Center pro 129 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.879 lifecom and search abortion pill and you'll find a couple of episodes we've done and 130 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.480 we've talked about this a couple of different times. Anyway, I guess I 131 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.870 kind of rabbit trailed and run through the article and some ways a little earlier 132 00:09:37.950 --> 00:09:41.429 than we intended to touch on certain things. But we're going to put some 133 00:09:41.590 --> 00:09:46.429 videos into the show notes, or at least into the article that was written 134 00:09:46.429 --> 00:09:48.909 as a framework for this episode, and I want you guys to watch those 135 00:09:48.950 --> 00:09:54.100 videos. They're graphic, I get it, but I think we need to 136 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.860 sometimes refresh our hearts and minds of what we're actually dealing with, to just 137 00:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.419 have our hearts broken afresh, I think is really helpful. And then again 138 00:10:03.899 --> 00:10:05.899 we can help these women to see what they're about to do. And again 139 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:09.529 I think there's an appropriate time for that. And you know, I would 140 00:10:09.529 --> 00:10:13.690 say just again as kind of a little maybe a little bit of a rabbit 141 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:16.289 trail. I think it'd be good to get these links out of the article 142 00:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.769 and to save them in a note on your phone. If you're ministering out 143 00:10:20.769 --> 00:10:24.000 on the sidewalk and you get to the point where you think that it's appropriate 144 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.440 to share these things, you can actually show them, if they're willing to 145 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.320 watch it, a video and these there's there's a longer video that explains all 146 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.200 of them together and then there's a breakdown of the different you know, medical 147 00:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.190 abortion, first trimester, second, third trimester there. So there's it's in 148 00:10:39.389 --> 00:10:41.710 one kind of stream of videos and then they even break it down salive action. 149 00:10:41.789 --> 00:10:45.230 That does it break it down into like I think it's three or four 150 00:10:45.230 --> 00:10:50.820 minute videos for each procedure, and so I would have those on my phone. 151 00:10:50.899 --> 00:10:54.059 You can search it really easily. Go on Youtube and search a live 152 00:10:54.139 --> 00:10:58.259 action abortion procedures and you can find it pretty easily. But with all of 153 00:10:58.379 --> 00:11:01.620 that said, Vicki, let's let's jump into the article. If I didn't 154 00:11:01.899 --> 00:11:05.090 well the really I think there's probably people listening already that are saying, I'm 155 00:11:05.090 --> 00:11:09.210 never going to do that. I said that about the graphics signs, never 156 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:11.610 going to look at. Never going to show those I'm not going to use 157 00:11:11.730 --> 00:11:18.919 shock value to to to get someone not to kill their baby. But you 158 00:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.200 know, as I was praying and thinking about this article in the aftermath of 159 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.120 when I I've talked about this often, actually on on the MIC, but 160 00:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.110 not in a while at the abortion center, and when I did this most 161 00:11:33.230 --> 00:11:37.029 recent time, I started crying going through it and it made me realize, 162 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:43.190 you know, I probably don't do this enough, because if it causes this 163 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:50.179 strong a response in me, who knows this information, it really could be 164 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.100 a turning point for the women going in there who have maybe never heard it. 165 00:11:54.740 --> 00:11:58.100 But one of the verses that it happened to be in my Bible study 166 00:11:58.139 --> 00:12:05.169 at the the time that I was reheard researching for this article is Ezekiel thirty 167 00:12:05.289 --> 00:12:09.730 three six, and I think it's such an important verse in terms of maybe 168 00:12:11.289 --> 00:12:18.600 helping to us all to think about should we be warning mom's about what is 169 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.320 going to happen to their baby, and should we do so graphically, and 170 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.120 and so that verse. Did you want to read it? You have that 171 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.470 verse there. Yeah, it says, but if the watchman sees the sword 172 00:12:30.549 --> 00:12:33.230 coming and is not blow the trumpet to warn the people and the sword comes 173 00:12:33.269 --> 00:12:37.230 and take someone's life. That person's life will be taken because of their sin, 174 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.340 but I will hold the watchman accountable for their blood. Yeah, you 175 00:12:43.460 --> 00:12:52.059 know, so that you know the sword is coming and and someone's life is 176 00:12:52.220 --> 00:12:56.340 going to be taken and we are called to warn them or their blood is 177 00:12:56.419 --> 00:13:01.929 on our hands. It's basically paraphrasing what what that is saying, and I 178 00:13:03.049 --> 00:13:09.370 guess people could argue about what that warning should be, but we are called 179 00:13:09.409 --> 00:13:15.320 to speak truth and the even the word abortion muddies what the truth is. 180 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.600 Abortion doesn't come close to describing what is actually going to take place. And 181 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:26.639 of course, things like calling it choice or healthcare. I don't know what's 182 00:13:26.639 --> 00:13:33.029 happening throughout the nation, but I know at our facility increasingly the pro choice 183 00:13:33.549 --> 00:13:39.149 people, the socalled pro chose people, are shouting out this is normal, 184 00:13:39.029 --> 00:13:46.100 this is good, this is this is loving, this is right. Yeah, 185 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:52.379 and that cannot stand. I just felt more and more strongly. We 186 00:13:52.740 --> 00:13:58.450 cannot let that lie stand and we and we have to counter it, and 187 00:13:58.570 --> 00:14:05.769 the the best way to counter it is with truth, and I think graphic 188 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:13.679 truth. We there is a world of difference between saying abortion is barbaric and 189 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:20.080 saying your baby, your son or your daughter, a living member of your 190 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:26.230 family, is going to have their arms and legs ripped off while they are 191 00:14:26.269 --> 00:14:31.789 still alive, without anesthesia. Yeah, they're there, then they can conclude 192 00:14:33.190 --> 00:14:37.580 for themselves that this is barbaric, that it is horrific. So I just 193 00:14:39.019 --> 00:14:45.019 I I believe very strongly it's important for us not only to show graphic images 194 00:14:45.220 --> 00:14:52.450 but to be knowledgeable and to describe the the graphic reality of what happens in 195 00:14:52.529 --> 00:14:58.330 an abortion. In fact, I think it was ray comfort who showed some 196 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.769 of these videos that you're talking about about what happens in an abortion and people 197 00:15:03.809 --> 00:15:07.720 would change their minds on the spot about whether abortion should be legal. It 198 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.039 shows the power of that. I hope that that convinces people that, yes, 199 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.080 this should be in your repertoire. Of You know things that you're going 200 00:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.549 to talk about and you alluded to already, Daniel, when to bring that 201 00:15:22.710 --> 00:15:26.149 into the discussion, but maybe just summarize when. When would you, in 202 00:15:26.429 --> 00:15:31.909 general, bring up the graphic details of what happens in an abortion? Yeah, 203 00:15:33.110 --> 00:15:35.899 now, I think it is good. You were talking about doing on 204 00:15:35.019 --> 00:15:43.820 a microphone everybody's scenario is a little bit different where the abortion centers in different 205 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.059 cities are and because of the rules laws things, some people can't even use 206 00:15:48.100 --> 00:15:56.649 amplified sounds. Some people can. Again, I don't well, I'm confident 207 00:15:56.809 --> 00:16:00.409 that it's not the main theme of what we need to be saying right as 208 00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:03.960 far as how graphic and how terrible abortion is in the sense of like describing 209 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.480 graphic details. But I do think it can be very appropriate to share and 210 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.519 I think the on the microphone, letting folks know what's about the happen to 211 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.269 their baby, can be a powerful way to do it. And I think 212 00:16:18.309 --> 00:16:22.149 again, shutting the mouths of the pro abortion people who tell that this is 213 00:16:22.149 --> 00:16:27.789 a woman's right to choose, that they sanitize really what's happening by using the 214 00:16:27.870 --> 00:16:33.059 word abortion or using words like healthcare and things like that. And so when 215 00:16:33.059 --> 00:16:36.620 you get into describing, okay, this abortion thing, what is it actually 216 00:16:36.620 --> 00:16:40.700 what are we actually talking about? It's an act of violence. I mean 217 00:16:40.779 --> 00:16:47.169 even abortionists that perform abortions have admitted that abortion is an act of violence. 218 00:16:47.570 --> 00:16:49.809 And that's really what you're trying to get to, that abortion is an act 219 00:16:49.850 --> 00:16:55.690 of violence. So I want always describe the abortion procedures, but I will 220 00:16:55.690 --> 00:17:00.129 always, almost always, say that abortion is not healthcare. Abortion is an 221 00:17:00.169 --> 00:17:03.559 act of violence that you commit against your own baby. That's that's actually a 222 00:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.680 common phrase that I use. Yeah, and then I will get sometimes into 223 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:15.319 describing the abortion procedures and and the abortion pill. I think as far as 224 00:17:15.710 --> 00:17:19.190 you know, as far as like a public declaration on a microphone or calling 225 00:17:19.269 --> 00:17:22.390 out, I don't know if I can say here's the perfect time to do 226 00:17:22.589 --> 00:17:26.430 that. I think when you've kind of given everything else, you've touched on 227 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.390 those three talking points, then yeah, go for it, you know. 228 00:17:30.099 --> 00:17:32.460 But again, I don't think it's the first thing a woman needs to hear 229 00:17:32.539 --> 00:17:34.859 soon as she gets out of her vehicle or soon as she you meet her 230 00:17:34.940 --> 00:17:38.859 walking up the sidewalk. I think the first thing is obviously letting her know 231 00:17:40.059 --> 00:17:44.369 that you, you're a human being that acknowledges her humanity, that acknowledges the 232 00:17:44.410 --> 00:17:48.930 humanity her baby, and talking about kind of around those three talking points. 233 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:52.569 But when you're getting into a one one conversation, as I described earlier, 234 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:55.210 I do this when I'm talking to the men, even when I'm talking to 235 00:17:55.250 --> 00:17:57.170 the Moms, when I get him some more of an indepth conversation. I 236 00:17:57.369 --> 00:18:02.640 guess, for lack of a better term, I've thrown everything but the kitchen 237 00:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.640 sink at them. Then I guess that is probably the kitchen scenk. Do 238 00:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.279 you know what's going to happen to your baby? And I will begin to 239 00:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.109 describe and we even have within some of our literature we have a sticker of 240 00:18:14.190 --> 00:18:17.150 a baby that's a victim of abortion, and so I'll ask, can I 241 00:18:17.269 --> 00:18:19.470 show you what abortion looks like? And I will open that up and I 242 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:22.710 think that some of you, if you don't have them, if you're ministering 243 00:18:22.789 --> 00:18:27.099 on the sidewalk, then you should reach out to the website is abortion no 244 00:18:27.380 --> 00:18:33.539 dot org. I believe it's either abortion no dot org or abortion nocom. 245 00:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.180 It's CBR, center for bioethical reform, and they really kind of I mean 246 00:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.130 that's their ministry, is to show the graphic images of abortions. They do 247 00:18:41.210 --> 00:18:44.609 it on college campus, as we did a podcast with some of their guys 248 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.250 a while back. But they have these little cards. It's like a business 249 00:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.210 card size and you can get bigger ones as well, but you can order 250 00:18:52.250 --> 00:18:53.890 them. They're like ten cents a piece or something. I don't know. 251 00:18:53.930 --> 00:18:59.640 They're not they're not much, but it shows, it depicts an abortion, 252 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.799 and so it'll be a picture of a baby that's a victim of abortion. 253 00:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.920 Now, like eight weeks, nine weeks. They have it all through, 254 00:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.670 you know, all nine months of pregnancy, I believe. But I think 255 00:19:10.670 --> 00:19:12.589 it's appropriate to even have some of those on hand and to say, can 256 00:19:12.589 --> 00:19:15.509 I show you what an abortion looks like, and then to begin to describe 257 00:19:15.509 --> 00:19:19.190 there's abortion procedures. Often Times what you're going to get is repulsion. Right, 258 00:19:19.230 --> 00:19:25.059 they're they're not going to like what they're hearing, but you'd be surprised 259 00:19:25.779 --> 00:19:29.500 how much they'll actually listen to is you're describing these abortion procedures, and I 260 00:19:29.579 --> 00:19:33.420 believe you need to be intentional about doing it and not an accusatory way. 261 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.220 We got to remember these women are in fear. There's a lot of fear, 262 00:19:37.339 --> 00:19:40.769 there's a lot of lies that are being spoken to them. So we're 263 00:19:40.769 --> 00:19:45.210 not trying to come across as an accusatory way. In a sense, want 264 00:19:45.250 --> 00:19:48.769 to make sure our tone is one that's a tone that sets the tone of 265 00:19:51.410 --> 00:19:55.839 kindness, gentleness, of course, but also forthrightness, like we don't need 266 00:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.799 to back away from the truth. I know you guys are getting from me 267 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:03.200 almost in this in this podcast, that that I kind of tiptoe and eggshells, 268 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.839 and this I don't I'm not trying to convey that this not important. 269 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.109 I just do want to convey to you guys, I think more than anything, 270 00:20:10.470 --> 00:20:12.349 that this is not what we need to be yelling at the abortion center 271 00:20:12.430 --> 00:20:18.150 constantly. Don't go in there and dismember your baby and describing a just I 272 00:20:18.269 --> 00:20:22.019 don't want us to be conveyed as the Raven Lunatics on the sidewalk that are 273 00:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.779 always talking about, you know, dead babies and those procedures that they do 274 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.059 inside of their I think we need to be talking about Jesus. We need 275 00:20:30.099 --> 00:20:33.859 to be talking about there's babies and their value. We need to be talking 276 00:20:33.900 --> 00:20:38.289 about those mothers and what God has provided for them. But again, if 277 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:44.410 all of that sort of fails, then yeah, let's talk about the reality 278 00:20:44.490 --> 00:20:49.480 of what's going to happen inside of there in a way that's informative and does 279 00:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.680 have some shock value to it. Let's face it, there's some shock value 280 00:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.559 in describing these things, and that shock value can be valuable. It can 281 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.119 awaken their conscience to the truth and for pro abortion people it can really tear 282 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.670 down that whole lot that holds just a Blob of tissue, club of sales. 283 00:21:07.549 --> 00:21:11.710 Like if pro choice people would watch the videos that we talked about with 284 00:21:11.789 --> 00:21:17.549 Dr Anthony Levantino kind of breaking down the abortion procedures that live action put out, 285 00:21:18.190 --> 00:21:21.980 it would dispel a lot of their false notions and I think some of 286 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:25.059 them would actually they would have to admit that they pent wrong, because they 287 00:21:25.140 --> 00:21:30.259 sanitize this thing by using terms like abortion and fetus and medical procedures and, 288 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:33.170 hell you, reproductive healthcare and all that stuff, when I'm reality, we're 289 00:21:33.210 --> 00:21:38.769 talking about dismembering little human beings in their mother's way, right. I think 290 00:21:38.809 --> 00:21:45.769 thinking about the tone the what I object to is when I'm just hearing anger, 291 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.279 just anger at at the whole system. We all, I guess, 292 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.799 have that, but that you shouldn't be the tone of our voice. But 293 00:21:53.880 --> 00:22:02.670 I think that if your voice conveys compassion for that child, there is a 294 00:22:02.789 --> 00:22:07.069 difference and and I think it's important to keep your focus not on your anger 295 00:22:07.109 --> 00:22:12.910 at the parents or the abortionist store or the e in the pro choice people, 296 00:22:12.990 --> 00:22:18.500 but to to be filled with your voice, filled with a compassion for 297 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:22.019 what is going to happen to that baby and and I think then then it 298 00:22:22.180 --> 00:22:26.900 is maybe more easily received because I think if that's really what is in your 299 00:22:26.940 --> 00:22:33.490 heart, that is conveyed. So so one of the things that we have 300 00:22:33.769 --> 00:22:38.609 the benefit of as many of the abortion workers have left, including a couple 301 00:22:38.650 --> 00:22:42.970 of abortion managers in the areas where we work, where we minister, and 302 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:47.839 so we have a lot of information from them, what they've told us about 303 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.240 what made them leave, what they saw, and that's one of the things 304 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.400 I will often speak about, which is what they observed, these people who 305 00:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.109 saw a day in and day apt, and there was something that, even 306 00:23:02.309 --> 00:23:07.549 to their calloused hearts and eyes, there was a tipping point. Yeah, 307 00:23:07.589 --> 00:23:11.589 and what that tipping point was, and I can think of two specific things 308 00:23:12.339 --> 00:23:18.220 that for me, just really stayed with me when these former workers described what 309 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:22.059 they had seen. We're going to get into and just a minute about the 310 00:23:22.180 --> 00:23:27.730 procedure itself and what happens, but in one of them was a an abortion 311 00:23:29.410 --> 00:23:36.210 clinic manager and she was called into assist with with the abortion at times, 312 00:23:36.329 --> 00:23:41.720 and she was then also involved in counting the baby parts, which you have 313 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.519 to do to make sure all the baby is out of the mother at the 314 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.880 end. Yeah, and she did that. Oh, she did that many 315 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.910 times. But there was one time where the baby's eyeball floated by all by 316 00:23:55.950 --> 00:24:00.750 itself and intact eyeball in that dish, and she said there was something about 317 00:24:02.230 --> 00:24:07.549 that, that sight, that was what did it for her. She just 318 00:24:07.950 --> 00:24:14.779 she realized, I can't do this anymore. And and just that visual as 319 00:24:14.900 --> 00:24:18.339 even as I said that, my eyes teered up the visual of what it 320 00:24:18.500 --> 00:24:23.809 took for an intact eyeball to be removed from a living child. Then the 321 00:24:25.089 --> 00:24:29.210 second thing that really struck me. This was I don't think this was an 322 00:24:29.250 --> 00:24:33.690 abortion manager. She was she was a nurse or a technician that served in 323 00:24:33.730 --> 00:24:37.599 the abortion room and when she left she was very traumatized. I would say 324 00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.759 she definitely had post traumatic syndrome, stressing Rome and and did end up having 325 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:52.759 a lot of counseling and help. But I asked her what what made you 326 00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:56.750 leave and she said it wasn't so much what I saw, it was the 327 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:02.390 sounds and which made no sense to me. And I said the sounds, 328 00:25:02.589 --> 00:25:06.670 what what do you mean? And she said when the abortionist would rip the 329 00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:11.259 limb from the baby's body. There would be an audible pop as the joint 330 00:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.779 was destroyed, as the limb was pulled out at the joint. And and 331 00:25:17.779 --> 00:25:21.609 hearing that again again makes me want to cry just thinking of that. And 332 00:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.769 I remember, maybe it was Dr Leavittino, someone saying an abortionist has to 333 00:25:26.849 --> 00:25:32.049 be strong. It's not easy to rip apart a living child. So you 334 00:25:32.210 --> 00:25:37.000 say things like that, it just hits you in your gut and the I 335 00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.680 we haven't even started describing the procedure. But you know, I think it's 336 00:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.559 valuable to know what the abortion workers themselves have have said or the terrible things 337 00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:56.509 that they've that they've seen. Yeah, so, so maybe we want to 338 00:25:56.750 --> 00:26:02.230 one of the things that is also important to convey, and in the article 339 00:26:02.990 --> 00:26:07.140 that will be putting out we will have a link to another article where talks 340 00:26:07.140 --> 00:26:12.539 about some of the dangers to the woman, particularly in that article it talked 341 00:26:12.700 --> 00:26:17.460 mostly about surgical abortion. I think Daniel made later on you're going to talk 342 00:26:17.460 --> 00:26:22.009 about the pill abortion some of the dangers with that. But one of them 343 00:26:22.250 --> 00:26:27.569 there is a huge risk of I don't know huge risk. Let's see, 344 00:26:27.569 --> 00:26:32.369 I actually have it down in this article. It said point three two percent 345 00:26:33.279 --> 00:26:41.279 of women have uterine perforation as a risk, and the reason for that is 346 00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.839 most abortions are blind, which means they are not ultrasound guided. In a 347 00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:52.150 surgical abortion, in most cases the abortionist is going in blindly and into the 348 00:26:52.230 --> 00:26:56.670 woman. With that a tool called the sofur clamp, which is kind of 349 00:26:56.750 --> 00:27:02.220 like a, I don't know, a forceps with sharp, sharp metal teeth, 350 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:07.019 and he's going to just blindly reach around until he hits something hard, 351 00:27:07.420 --> 00:27:10.539 which is the baby. You know, it might be a hand, afoot 352 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:17.250 and arm or a leg, but he could also hit the uterus because there's 353 00:27:17.289 --> 00:27:22.329 no ultrasound guiding where that tool is going. So the woman, the woman, 354 00:27:22.450 --> 00:27:25.769 can be damaged if any of the baby parts are left in there. 355 00:27:26.769 --> 00:27:32.039 The risk of infection. One and a hundred twenty five women has a dangerous 356 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:41.279 infection following a surgical abortion. There's increased risk of premature birth and subsequent pregnancies, 357 00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.269 and that that's a pretty big risk. Again, one and twenty three 358 00:27:45.309 --> 00:27:53.509 women. So those are not insignificant risks of of the abortion. So they 359 00:27:56.509 --> 00:28:03.740 these two videos that you talked about are really good. We're going to link 360 00:28:03.940 --> 00:28:08.059 them up. Dr Levantino describing what happens in in a s urgical abortion, 361 00:28:08.140 --> 00:28:14.769 and that that's where we'll will start. I've already started kind of describing that. 362 00:28:14.930 --> 00:28:18.289 He goes in the the cervix is softened. Yeah, he goes in 363 00:28:18.490 --> 00:28:23.569 with a this sofur clamp and other tools, but the sofur clamp it can 364 00:28:23.690 --> 00:28:27.640 both grab and hang on tightly and it's not going to let go. And 365 00:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.920 also the teeth or sharp, so it's also piercing and suffering as a and 366 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:40.359 so he goes in there, grabs whatever he finds, clamps, twist and 367 00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:47.390 literally rips off a piece of the baby and and then does that over and 368 00:28:47.430 --> 00:28:52.990 over again until the baby has been removed. Depending upon the end the baby 369 00:28:53.109 --> 00:28:57.059 is living. I don't know how long the baby lives. In the video 370 00:28:57.220 --> 00:29:02.579 it makes it look like the baby lives. It's a kind of cartoony video, 371 00:29:02.779 --> 00:29:06.220 but I assume it's based on what he knows is the truth, and 372 00:29:06.579 --> 00:29:11.210 it looks like the baby lives at least through that first limb being ripped off 373 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:18.490 and possibly through the second, probably excruciating pain. We definitely there's no doubt 374 00:29:18.490 --> 00:29:22.849 a baby at twenty weeks feels pain, probably earlier than that. They certainly 375 00:29:22.890 --> 00:29:27.720 respond to touch at eight weeks. But because you know, sometimes you will 376 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:34.480 hear the pro choice crowd say that they're the CORTEX isn't fully developed and so 377 00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:40.269 the baby can't possibly deal pain. But that's a misunderstanding of neurology, which 378 00:29:40.269 --> 00:29:45.670 I studied. I was an occupational therapist my first career, and the CORTEX 379 00:29:45.789 --> 00:29:51.109 actually has an inhibitory effect. It dampens our sensory input. That's one of 380 00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:55.619 the main roles of the CORTEX. So there when the CORTEX is fully developed, 381 00:29:55.660 --> 00:30:02.940 it actually decreases the impact of pain, because otherwise the just the pain 382 00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:07.609 would be so excruciating that we would go into shock. But when there's no 383 00:30:07.849 --> 00:30:14.049 cortex yet fully developed, the pain is exaggerated. So this baby probably feels 384 00:30:14.089 --> 00:30:21.640 pain to an unimaginable degree, depending on the age of the child. But 385 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.240 then because the skull, depending again on the age of the unborn baby, 386 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.519 the skull is hard, it has already calcified and it cannot be pulled through 387 00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.349 the cervix. And so the abortionist, with that sofur clamp, goes in 388 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:42.589 and crushes the skull and and then removes the the shards of the skull and 389 00:30:42.710 --> 00:30:48.509 a milky white fluid comes out that's that's the brains coming out from the woman. 390 00:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.980 And what I read is when that skull is crushed again there's a danger 391 00:30:52.339 --> 00:30:57.539 of a perforated uterus because those fragments are sharp and there either it can perforate 392 00:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.859 the uterus, it can perforate the cervix, it can damage other organs. 393 00:31:02.700 --> 00:31:08.210 So and then then the abortionist goes back in with a curet or suction scrapes 394 00:31:08.329 --> 00:31:14.809 out anything that he might have missed and all of these pieces are suctioned and 395 00:31:14.970 --> 00:31:22.599 collected in in a dish where then a technician or a nurse will put the 396 00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.039 pieces back together and and count and make sure that all the baby parts are 397 00:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.839 out and if they are, those all go into a medical waste bag and 398 00:31:33.069 --> 00:31:37.950 and then in at our facility, those bags are all collected in a certain 399 00:31:37.990 --> 00:31:41.829 time each week. A truck in our area called the sterocycle truck will come 400 00:31:41.869 --> 00:31:47.859 and pick up this medical waste and it. The irony of this never escapes 401 00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:52.019 me. On the side of the truck is the sterocycle slogan, which is 402 00:31:52.619 --> 00:32:00.019 we protect what matters and and when. When I have finished describing that in 403 00:32:00.339 --> 00:32:05.490 detail and like, like you said, I it is a last resort. 404 00:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.930 If I'm talking about that, it's because I know there's someone in there who's 405 00:32:09.930 --> 00:32:14.690 about to have a surgical abortion. When I'm describing this, and and I 406 00:32:14.890 --> 00:32:19.240 know that we've tried everything else. Are Three talking points. Their heart is 407 00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.359 so hard that I feel this is this is all that I have left, 408 00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.519 anyway, that I can think of to say, and I will often conclude 409 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:35.069 with with the sentence. Should any civilized society condone this in any arm? 410 00:32:35.109 --> 00:32:39.190 Yeah, of course the answer is no. Right, and this is what 411 00:32:39.349 --> 00:32:44.339 you've just described, the graphic reality of what we're dealing with, right, 412 00:32:45.099 --> 00:32:49.700 and even though it's not fun to talk about and of course, as you're 413 00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.339 going through and describing all of that stuff, it's just so, so gruesome. 414 00:32:52.380 --> 00:32:57.180 Yeah, but it is the gruesome reality of what's going on in those 415 00:32:57.259 --> 00:33:00.769 buildings, right, and you know, we shouldn't shy away from that. 416 00:33:01.809 --> 00:33:07.049 It's a I mean we think about, I go back to but happened in 417 00:33:07.089 --> 00:33:14.400 the days of Nazi Germany and really describing how they gassed Jews. They called 418 00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.000 them nonhuman, just like we do in our society for these unborn children, 419 00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.839 right, and of course, the graphic nature of what they did in that 420 00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.309 that needs to be described, it needs to be explained to modern society so 421 00:33:27.470 --> 00:33:30.789 that we can stop the wickedness that we're involved in. Yeah, the same 422 00:33:30.829 --> 00:33:37.069 way like in the days of slavery and the graphic things that were done to 423 00:33:37.269 --> 00:33:39.309 the Africans that were brought over here, in others who were brought over here 424 00:33:39.430 --> 00:33:43.700 to this country and then other countries around the world that have been involved in 425 00:33:43.819 --> 00:33:49.460 slavery. It's like human beings are treated like less than human. They're treated 426 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:53.099 like in this case, it's describing these procedures treated like medical waste exactly, 427 00:33:53.180 --> 00:33:58.529 and thrown away. Is Garbage, right, and that's a that's a gross 428 00:33:58.650 --> 00:34:00.730 reality that needs to be shared. I think it needs to be shared in 429 00:34:00.769 --> 00:34:06.049 a big picture way with society at large, but I do think also with 430 00:34:06.170 --> 00:34:09.360 the mother's and with the fathers that this needs to be shared and it needs 431 00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.079 to be personalized in the sense that I explained earlier. Like I'm talking to 432 00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.599 a young man, I'm going to explain to him this is what's going to 433 00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.920 happen to your son or your daughter, and in the same way, these 434 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.550 these mothers, this is what's going to happen, this is what you're going 435 00:34:23.710 --> 00:34:29.030 to be doing to your son, to your daughter? Would you want to 436 00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.789 do that to your baby? And of course the reality is people can accuse 437 00:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.309 us of again being over the top and just, you know, trying to 438 00:34:37.349 --> 00:34:43.179 use as a shock factor or whatever, but you can go on Google very 439 00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.659 easily and find out what an abortion procedure and tails. You can go on 440 00:34:45.739 --> 00:34:50.340 Google very easily and find out fetal development. Does my baby at nine weeks 441 00:34:50.380 --> 00:34:53.769 have arms or legs? What does an abortion do at nine weeks? And 442 00:34:53.929 --> 00:34:58.849 the fact is that these women, if they have the abortion, many of 443 00:34:58.929 --> 00:35:02.130 them, are going to find out the graphic reality of abortion. They're conscious 444 00:35:02.130 --> 00:35:06.690 is going to be bothering them. They're going to be wondering that really do 445 00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:08.440 what I think I did, that I really kill a baby, or was 446 00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.039 it just a blob of tissue, a clump of cells? They're going to 447 00:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.679 go on Google and they're going to find out there. This is something I 448 00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.639 will say on the microphone is I'm describing these abortion procedures. I'll say something 449 00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.030 to the effect of you might not like what you're hearing, but the fact 450 00:35:22.150 --> 00:35:24.349 is that you're going to find out the truth about abortion at some point. 451 00:35:24.349 --> 00:35:29.789 Our heart our desires that you find out about abortion, about what you're about 452 00:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.110 to do to your baby before you do it, and, based on that 453 00:35:32.349 --> 00:35:36.780 truth, you turn away from it because the Bible says the truth will set 454 00:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.380 you free. Right, because they again, they're going to come face to 455 00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:43.460 face with the reality of abortion. They might come face to face with that 456 00:35:43.579 --> 00:35:46.699 reality on Google or, Gosh, the worst thing, they come face to 457 00:35:46.820 --> 00:35:51.170 face with that reality when they stand before God and they give an account for 458 00:35:51.289 --> 00:35:54.090 what they've done. So our heart, our desires not just to gross them 459 00:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.530 out and not to just come across as some kind of you know people bring 460 00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:05.079 in the shock factor, whatever our heart is, to share the truth in 461 00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.599 hopes of that truth will turn them away from what they're about to do so 462 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.760 they don't have to face that reality. That's right, yeah, to convict 463 00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.239 their hearts of what actually happens. And of course you can't do that if 464 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.789 you don't know. And I even just watching the video, which I've seen 465 00:36:20.869 --> 00:36:23.150 many, many times, and it's not even a real baby. It's a 466 00:36:23.389 --> 00:36:27.789 depiction, you know, it's almost Hartuny, like I said, but even 467 00:36:27.909 --> 00:36:32.260 with that, it just it's horrifying. It's so horrifying. So it's not 468 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:38.099 pleasant, but it is very important that anyone involved in pro life ministry understand 469 00:36:38.699 --> 00:36:43.420 what happens and be able to knowledge. But the speak about what happens. 470 00:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.460 So, Daniel, what happens then? Is A pill any better? We 471 00:36:45.579 --> 00:36:50.170 hear over and over them saying yeah, pills just fine. Here's one thing 472 00:36:50.650 --> 00:36:52.889 that I wouldn't try to mention as often as I can actually, because I 473 00:36:53.050 --> 00:36:59.849 see a lot of times people on the sidewalks even conflating the abortion peal with 474 00:36:59.889 --> 00:37:02.000 the morning after peal. Right, and so some people might even say, 475 00:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.519 well, the abortion center in our city, they don't. They don't do 476 00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.599 real abortions. They only do the pill and they equate that because they say 477 00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.599 it's like the morning after pill. But it's not. The abortion pill in 478 00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.150 the morning after pill are two completely different things. The morning after peal someone 479 00:37:16.230 --> 00:37:20.789 would take if they think they had, if they had unprotected sex and they're 480 00:37:20.789 --> 00:37:24.949 afraid they might get pregnant. It actually primarily keeps the mother from conceiving a 481 00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:29.590 child or keeps the woman from conceiving a baby. That's a primary function. 482 00:37:29.909 --> 00:37:32.300 It could be abortive. It could be abortive facient, as that is that 483 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.739 the word it could, it could be, but that's not the primary way 484 00:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.340 it works and it's not always a matter of fact, it's probably not even 485 00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.650 often an abortion. It just keeps her from conceiving. So that's one thing. 486 00:37:45.250 --> 00:37:51.969 The abortion pill procedure, though, is always an abortion. It's always 487 00:37:52.130 --> 00:37:58.289 killing a conceived child because typically the abortion pill will be administered, if a 488 00:37:58.329 --> 00:38:02.039 woman chooses that procedure, between five and ten weeks. Normally they don't do 489 00:38:02.079 --> 00:38:07.159 an abortion peal procedure after ten weeks because there's some further complications that can that 490 00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.869 can happen, and I don't think it's even been FDA approved past ten weeks, 491 00:38:13.230 --> 00:38:15.750 at least the last that I that I knew. And most of the 492 00:38:15.750 --> 00:38:20.230 abortion centers that do the abortion pill only, like a lot of plan parenthoods 493 00:38:20.269 --> 00:38:24.110 here in southern California do the abortion pill only, I think, well across 494 00:38:24.190 --> 00:38:29.980 the nation, plan parenthoods and other abortion centers that do the abortion pill only 495 00:38:30.059 --> 00:38:34.179 on Ne do abortions up to ten weeks, but the abortion pill procedure. 496 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:37.139 And again we've done podcast about this, so please take advantage of those. 497 00:38:37.179 --> 00:38:43.769 Be Knowledgeable about this. The abortion pill procedure is just as much an abortion 498 00:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.809 as a surgical abortion. So let's just be clear about that if the abortion 499 00:38:46.889 --> 00:38:52.090 center down the road from Your House or near your church only does the abortion 500 00:38:52.130 --> 00:38:57.119 pill, they are still killing babies. Okay, it's not. It's not. 501 00:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.440 And now maybe in our minds and with our human sensitivities it's a little 502 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.519 less graphic, maybe because it's not actually dismembering a baby. Because very early 503 00:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.440 along, even at six weeks, five weeks, if they do a surgical 504 00:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.429 abortion, they do a suction aspiration abortion where the baby is sucked through a 505 00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:19.230 to a Canula, in essence, sucks through a vacuum tube and, you 506 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.150 know, it's little body is put into a peatree dish, being kind of 507 00:39:22.269 --> 00:39:29.139 just ground up through that section. That's a dismemberment aboard. That baby's being 508 00:39:29.219 --> 00:39:31.739 dismembered. He or she's very small, and so we even might think of 509 00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:36.820 that as being a little less graphic because they're not actually taking forceps and dismembering 510 00:39:36.900 --> 00:39:40.170 the baby. But the reality is, if we believe life begins a conception 511 00:39:40.329 --> 00:39:45.889 and we believe that every human being is valuable from conception to natural death right, 512 00:39:45.969 --> 00:39:52.280 and we believe that being prolife right, then whether they're no matter what 513 00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.280 the procedure is and no matter how far along the baby is, it's still 514 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.760 an act of violence and it's still wrong and it's still sin and we still 515 00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.199 need to be speaking against it. So again, if they only do the 516 00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.349 abortion pill where in your city, they're still killing children inside of that place. 517 00:40:09.389 --> 00:40:15.989 Right and sadly, this is I know it's the California phenomenon and I'm 518 00:40:15.989 --> 00:40:19.230 sure it is many of the places, many of the states here on the 519 00:40:19.309 --> 00:40:23.420 West Coast and I'm sure some Midwest states and maybe even, I'm sure, 520 00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:27.099 up in New York as well, where you can actually a woman can actually 521 00:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.139 get the abortion pill through. Tell of Mead where she didn't even have to 522 00:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.059 see a doctor, she didn't even have to have an ultrasound. She can 523 00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.050 just say hey, I'm this far along and she can take the abortion pills 524 00:40:36.289 --> 00:40:39.289 and do that whole thing at home. And that's dangerous. Dr Matt talked 525 00:40:39.329 --> 00:40:44.210 about that in our last podcast several months ago about the abortion pill. But 526 00:40:44.250 --> 00:40:45.889 I'm just I'm going to describe, if that's okay, Vicky, what the 527 00:40:45.929 --> 00:40:51.840 abortion pill in tells yes, and and just really I'll talk a little bit 528 00:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.199 about their risks, but just to kind of help you guys to understand the 529 00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.920 graphic nature of the abortion pill and I mentioned earlier there's a video out there 530 00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.719 from the unplanned movie. There's a segment of that whole movie you can find 531 00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:08.550 on Youtube. I think you can just search unplanned abortion pill and in you'll 532 00:41:08.590 --> 00:41:12.710 find a video. I think it's three or four minutes long. Even try 533 00:41:12.710 --> 00:41:15.429 to again link it in this article or in the show notes of the podcast. 534 00:41:15.510 --> 00:41:19.019 But the abortion pill works. Is actually not one pill, it's actually 535 00:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.139 two medications. So that's why I would say it's the abortion pill procedure, 536 00:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.940 because it's the procedure, not just one pill. So it's not like they 537 00:41:24.980 --> 00:41:29.139 go into the abortion center, they take a pill and they go on right, 538 00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.380 and some people imagine this is the pro abortion. People in the abortion 539 00:41:31.460 --> 00:41:35.690 industry wants us to believe that that's what it is. You just take a 540 00:41:35.769 --> 00:41:37.530 peel, your baby disappear as you go on with your life, your problems 541 00:41:37.530 --> 00:41:40.769 disappear, you go on with your life a regular period and it's no big 542 00:41:40.769 --> 00:41:44.730 deal. Yeah right, yeah, so it's sanitizes the whole thing, but 543 00:41:44.809 --> 00:41:49.559 the reality is it's much more graphic than that and it's much more involved than 544 00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.639 that. It's not that you take the peel baby kind of just dissolves, 545 00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.320 the pregnancy, the product of conception, dissolves and go on with your life. 546 00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.599 No, they give them a medication inside the abortion clinic. Typically, 547 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.829 is how it works. They'll go into the abortion clinic, they'll typically get 548 00:42:01.869 --> 00:42:07.150 an ultrasound to make sure they're ten weeks or before so they can actually do 549 00:42:07.309 --> 00:42:13.389 the abortion pill, and then they give them a medication called mythopristone or myphoprex 550 00:42:13.590 --> 00:42:16.820 is the brand name. I'm sure there's generic versions now, but they'll give 551 00:42:16.860 --> 00:42:21.500 them that medication inside and that's the Medica inside the abortion center and that's the 552 00:42:21.579 --> 00:42:24.340 medication. The actual will kill the baby. So I won't get into all 553 00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:28.980 the details because Dr Matt explains it in that podcast about it, but it 554 00:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.730 basically cuts off the flow of blood, oxygen and nutrients of the baby needs 555 00:42:31.730 --> 00:42:37.050 to stay alive. The baby, the Placenta is attached to the uterine wall 556 00:42:37.409 --> 00:42:40.409 that ultimately gets nutrients from the mother's body and gives that nutrients to the baby's 557 00:42:40.449 --> 00:42:45.400 body. That placenta is detached from the uterine wall and the baby in essence 558 00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.280 dies of not having the nutrients and the auction in that he or she needs 559 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.000 to survive. And then so the mother will take that. The effects of 560 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.559 that medication, Mefapristone, take place in twenty four to forty eight hours. 561 00:42:58.590 --> 00:43:01.510 It takes some time for that medication to take an effect. Meanwhile, that 562 00:43:01.670 --> 00:43:07.110 woman is sent home and she's told to take the next medication. Miss a 563 00:43:07.230 --> 00:43:10.230 pistol or sight attack is the brand name, and it's a medication that will 564 00:43:10.269 --> 00:43:14.019 put her into Labor. But of course, in an early pregnancy like that 565 00:43:14.380 --> 00:43:16.820 and the medic the medication they gave read the abortion clinic, killed the child's 566 00:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.980 in essence, what's happening is they put her into Labor with that side attack, 567 00:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.460 that she takes it home and she delivers that dead baby, often times 568 00:43:23.500 --> 00:43:29.010 in the toilet or sometimes even in the bathtub. Is She's trying to relieve 569 00:43:29.050 --> 00:43:34.250 herself of the pain that comes, because that medication actually calls cause us contractions 570 00:43:34.289 --> 00:43:37.050 and all that sometimes wrong. Gulimal sittings. Yeah, sometimes a woman be 571 00:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.519 sitting in a warm bath and the baby will will be delivered that way. 572 00:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.679 Of course, at that point, often times that baby's dead. And of 573 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.320 course, if you see that video from the unplanned movie and the abortion peel 574 00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.750 procedure being played out in the bathroom, there there's blood everywhere. And digging 575 00:43:55.789 --> 00:44:02.429 into plant parenthoods and the book, the abortion industries fine print on the abortion 576 00:44:02.469 --> 00:44:06.590 peel procedure, if you read their fine print, and this is on plant 577 00:44:06.630 --> 00:44:10.380 pairhoods website, you'll see that one out of five hundred women that go through 578 00:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.059 with the abortion pell procedure will require a blood transfusion. So they're going to 579 00:44:15.099 --> 00:44:19.820 lose a lot of blood. They tell the women, because we've heard this 580 00:44:19.940 --> 00:44:22.940 oftentimes, it's going to be like a minstrel cycle. It's not going to 581 00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:27.969 be that big a deal. Whenever actually on plan parents website, I think 582 00:44:27.969 --> 00:44:30.610 they say I may get this a little wrong. You guys can dig into 583 00:44:30.610 --> 00:44:35.010 it. Maybe I'll even link that in this in this article, if we 584 00:44:35.090 --> 00:44:37.760 can do that, but they say that the woman could pass golf ball size 585 00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.719 blood clots as she's going through with this abortion peel procedure. Now, of 586 00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.559 course, you know I've talked a lot about how it affects the mother, 587 00:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.800 but of course you talk a little bit again about how to fix the baby. 588 00:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.989 That baby is a basically starved to death that child, and very early, 589 00:44:55.269 --> 00:44:58.750 you know, ten weeks, you can already tell. Of course it's 590 00:44:58.750 --> 00:45:00.030 a baby. Arms legs, fingers and toes and all that stuff. That 591 00:45:00.070 --> 00:45:05.949 baby's already moving around, very small, but it's a baby and all the 592 00:45:05.989 --> 00:45:09.099 nutrients, all the things that baby's innescence starve to death or suffocated because he 593 00:45:09.219 --> 00:45:13.900 or she's not getting the blood, oxygen and nutrients that they need to stay 594 00:45:13.900 --> 00:45:16.380 alive. And so it's an act of violence. Again, it's not any 595 00:45:16.420 --> 00:45:22.090 less an abortion as a surgical abortion. It's just oftentimes completed at home. 596 00:45:22.769 --> 00:45:25.289 And so I will lay that whole thing out what I just laid out for 597 00:45:25.289 --> 00:45:28.610 you guys. I'll lay that out for the MOM. If I have the 598 00:45:28.690 --> 00:45:31.170 opportunity, I'll lay that out for the dad and I'll say something. It's 599 00:45:31.210 --> 00:45:36.239 kind of at the end of that. You know that stream of thought is, 600 00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.760 do you want that to happen to your baby, and do you want 601 00:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.639 that to happen to you, or do you want that to happen to your 602 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.039 girlfriend? To understand that there's risks involved. You understand that there are women 603 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.190 that have died that have taken the abortion peel, because there have been. 604 00:45:52.230 --> 00:45:55.989 One woman I know locally, and Charlotte, died from the abortion pills. 605 00:45:57.070 --> 00:46:00.429 She died actually because the doctor didn't do his due diligence and giving her an 606 00:46:00.469 --> 00:46:06.460 ultrasound and finding out actually her baby was an ectopic pregnancy. In the abortion 607 00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:09.820 pill doesn't do anything for nicktopic pregnancy. Her felopian to ruptured and she died. 608 00:46:10.340 --> 00:46:14.699 So it wasn't a reass a direct result of the abortion pill itself, 609 00:46:15.219 --> 00:46:21.969 but it was, of course the doctor's negligence, and doctors can be negn 610 00:46:22.050 --> 00:46:27.250 negligent, especially doctors that are paid to kill people's children from money, right. 611 00:46:27.690 --> 00:46:30.730 And so we laying all that out. Being informed of all that stuff 612 00:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.039 is really helpful and if you know that, if you kind of go through 613 00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.239 like what we've just shared with you guys, and your knowledgeable about what the 614 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.119 abortion procedures and tail then you're more knowledgeable than most of the socalled poy pro 615 00:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.880 choice people that support this stuff. If you have that knowledge and what we 616 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.789 shared in this podcast, you've got more more knowledge than even some of the 617 00:46:47.829 --> 00:46:52.070 people that work inside the abortion clinic, because they don't have a clue. 618 00:46:52.710 --> 00:46:57.590 They've been really lie they've been really duped and they've duped themselves and number their 619 00:46:57.630 --> 00:47:00.429 own consciences seared. Their own conscience has to believe that this is just about 620 00:47:00.429 --> 00:47:06.260 a woman's body and they are disconnected from the reality that there are two people 621 00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:08.820 to be considered in each of these abortion procedures, that, yes, the 622 00:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.780 woman should be considered, but the baby is also to be considered, and 623 00:47:13.940 --> 00:47:16.369 that baby's not just some foreign object to remove from her body, but it's 624 00:47:16.409 --> 00:47:21.530 actually a human being, right, and that's why you have, like what 625 00:47:21.610 --> 00:47:25.250 you're talking about, these these abortion workers, really shocked with with the truth 626 00:47:25.329 --> 00:47:28.969 of what's going on. Yeah, and you think about it, just kind 627 00:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.360 of as a side note. Now mentioned this too, that you have a 628 00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.519 woman who's believed the lies that the abortion industry has told her, that her 629 00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960 baby's just a blob of tissue or clump of cells, that what she's going 630 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.719 to go through with the abortion peel procedure, for example, is just like 631 00:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.989 a menstrual cycle. She she believes that she goes in, she goes through 632 00:47:45.030 --> 00:47:50.070 with the abortion peel procedure and, like some women have not, not I 633 00:47:50.150 --> 00:47:52.269 don't even know the majority, but it has happened, because we've heard of 634 00:47:52.389 --> 00:47:55.389 this. She's believed all of that stuff, that it's not a baby, 635 00:47:55.710 --> 00:47:59.539 and then she delivers this child at nine weeks, ten weeks, into the 636 00:47:59.619 --> 00:48:01.579 toilet and she looks into the toilet to see, you know, did she 637 00:48:01.699 --> 00:48:06.139 just pass a golf ball size blood clot? I mean what? Obviously you 638 00:48:06.179 --> 00:48:07.739 want to see what's going on there. It looks down and she sees a 639 00:48:07.820 --> 00:48:13.130 fully formed, intact baby that she killed. I think about that. She's 640 00:48:13.130 --> 00:48:15.969 been told it's a blob of tissue, a clump of cells, but she 641 00:48:15.090 --> 00:48:17.889 comes face to face of the reality of what she's done right there in her 642 00:48:17.969 --> 00:48:22.210 bathroom by herself, seeing her baby, her son or daughter, and of 643 00:48:22.289 --> 00:48:27.960 course, oftentimes flushing that baby down the toilet like waste. What a grievous 644 00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.800 thing. What a grievous thing for her? Yeah, to really have been 645 00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.119 lied to and duped and the people that are supposed to support her in telling 646 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.800 her this is health care, actually told her it was a Blob of tissue 647 00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.909 and she sees it's a baby and then, of course, for that that 648 00:48:42.230 --> 00:48:45.869 that baby like. What a grievous thing, yeah, to have happened to 649 00:48:45.949 --> 00:48:50.750 her into that baby. Yeah, I've heard many pro choice people try to 650 00:48:51.230 --> 00:48:53.989 defend all of this, particularly with the pill, because the baby so much 651 00:48:54.030 --> 00:49:00.340 smaller early on, saying well, it's not sentient, the baby doesn't know 652 00:49:00.900 --> 00:49:06.500 that. The baby's being starved or asphyxiated. And I just come right back 653 00:49:06.659 --> 00:49:15.610 with where else is a stronger person to prey upon a completely vulnerable little person? 654 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:20.650 And it's okay because, I think again, it is so important to 655 00:49:20.809 --> 00:49:27.199 keep bringing everyone back to the fact this is a human being and it may 656 00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.840 not be fully developed. He or she may not be fully developed, but 657 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:39.230 he or she is vulnerable and we are as as civilized people, should protect 658 00:49:39.550 --> 00:49:49.030 the vulnerable, not contribute to their death because they can't defend themselves. Heavy 659 00:49:49.070 --> 00:49:53.300 subject and we know it is and we're sorry for that. But but I 660 00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:58.900 think again to reiterate, saying that an abortion is barbaric is one thing and 661 00:49:59.659 --> 00:50:05.500 most people will be able to just continue on into a clinic, but describing 662 00:50:06.139 --> 00:50:10.969 the barber the barbaric nature of an abortion blow by blow is a completely different 663 00:50:12.769 --> 00:50:21.050 thing and I think it really does help someone to come more truthfully to grips 664 00:50:21.250 --> 00:50:27.199 with what they're doing. And once you have delivered that message, then your 665 00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:38.030 responsibility before God and for that child has has been properly done and now it's 666 00:50:38.030 --> 00:50:45.309 up to God and that woman and and you are absolved of the guilt of 667 00:50:45.429 --> 00:50:49.789 that child's blood. Yeah, absolutely we're called to speak the truth. Yeah, 668 00:50:49.949 --> 00:50:52.179 of course we're called to speak the truth. In love, right. 669 00:50:52.380 --> 00:50:59.340 We're called to speak the truth and and let the Lord apply that Truth and 670 00:50:59.380 --> 00:51:01.980 let the Lord in the heart of that mother change her heart and change her 671 00:51:02.019 --> 00:51:07.610 mind. And so, guys, this has been a heavy subject. This 672 00:51:07.769 --> 00:51:09.130 is not one of those podcasts where you end and it's like, you know, 673 00:51:09.210 --> 00:51:14.409 I'll joy and great, great stuff and great feelings. Right, there's 674 00:51:14.409 --> 00:51:17.489 a heaviness and there should be a heaviness. But we hope that this podcast 675 00:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.280 has been equipping for you, guys, and we hope that you've been challenged 676 00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.679 to to be able to share the truth of what abortion does to those precious 677 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.989 little babies with the MOMS, with the dad's when appropriate, and so we 678 00:51:32.269 --> 00:51:37.510 love for you guys to take advantage. We mentioned a few articles and a 679 00:51:37.670 --> 00:51:43.110 few videos. I would just set aside sometime, guys, and do your 680 00:51:43.150 --> 00:51:45.869 due diligence and study this subject matter, even as difficult as it might be, 681 00:51:45.949 --> 00:51:51.420 be praying through the whole thing and letting God minister to your heart, 682 00:51:51.460 --> 00:51:53.780 because this is this is heavy stuff to be to be watching and to be 683 00:51:53.900 --> 00:51:58.179 listening to, but I do think it's worth it. To be informed of 684 00:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.969 what's going on inside of those places of death and even to have it your 685 00:52:02.690 --> 00:52:07.730 your fingertips. The videos to show the women going into the abortion center when 686 00:52:07.769 --> 00:52:10.690 appropriate. Yeah, but again, we hope this is equipping you, guys. 687 00:52:10.730 --> 00:52:14.050 We encourage you. Guys. Please reach out to us if you have 688 00:52:14.170 --> 00:52:16.880 questions other subjects she's like for us to cover. You can reach me at 689 00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.119 Daniel at love life dot org, reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. 690 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.440 We love to talk with you the email and answer any questions, encourage 691 00:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.920 you as much as we were able to, and with that will wrap this 692 00:52:30.030 --> 00:52:36.710 thing up and until next time, God bless God, bless y'all. Give 693 00:52:36.869 --> 00:52:49.699 me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know 694 00:52:50.059 --> 00:52:59.050 it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious, and some that you