When and How To Describe Abortion Procedures

WEBVTT100:00:00.760 --> 00:00:05.960I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. S and me,200:00:06.320 --> 00:00:11.550Lord, I am yours, Iam yours. I'm welcome to the300:00:11.589 --> 00:00:17.510Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast, apodcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge400:00:17.550 --> 00:00:21.109you in pro life ministry, andalways with a focus on the Gospel.500:00:21.309 --> 00:00:32.259Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me.600:00:35.969 --> 00:00:39.329Welcome back to the Gospel Center praylife podcast. Appreciate you, guys,700:00:39.409 --> 00:00:44.049joining us and we appreciate you guyslistening to this podcast. We'd appreciate if800:00:44.090 --> 00:00:48.409you guys would share this podcast,this episode and any of the other episodes900:00:48.450 --> 00:00:51.359that have been a blessing to youwith other people. 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So we're3600:02:53.159 --> 00:02:58.909going to cover, as we dooften times, a subject that kind of3700:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.669came across our radar as we weretalking with local counselors. Vicki was talking3800:03:01.710 --> 00:03:07.110with local counselor in Charlotte, andso Vicky introduced our topic real quick,3900:03:07.150 --> 00:03:10.870if you will please, and we'lljump right into it. Sure. So4000:03:10.990 --> 00:03:19.060we're going to talk about when youshould describe graphically what happens in an abortion.4100:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.020When and if, I guess somepeople are probably wondering, should you4200:03:23.180 --> 00:03:27.849ever do that? So if youshould, first of all rationale for that,4300:03:28.969 --> 00:03:32.449when you should, if you chooseto describe in detail an abortion,4400:03:34.090 --> 00:03:38.969and then how, yeah, youwould describe it. So you have to,4500:03:38.129 --> 00:03:43.840sadly, have a pretty good knowledgeof what happens in the various types4600:03:43.879 --> 00:03:50.159of abortions and the the topic wascame up when we had a mom we'd4700:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.439basically tried everything with and we're goingto go over that in a little bit4800:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.669more depth. But and and Isuggested to one of our counselors, maybe4900:03:57.710 --> 00:04:00.990it's time to in grow some detail, let this woman know what's going to5000:04:01.069 --> 00:04:08.710happen to that baby, because shewas a second trimester abortion and and the5100:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.379councilor said, you know, II don't feel really comfortable doing that.5200:04:12.659 --> 00:04:19.300She just really wasn't well versed yetin what actually happens in specifically a surgical5300:04:19.339 --> 00:04:23.819abortion, because we knew that thatwas what was going to happen during Ye5400:04:24.259 --> 00:04:28.089for that child. And so Igot on the microphone own and and described5500:04:28.129 --> 00:04:36.170it and there was all of theloud, noisy raucus lying pro abortion group5600:04:36.209 --> 00:04:41.680were silent, just just silent,and we all got this sense, it5700:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.040was like there was this very sombersilence that fell over the place and we5800:04:46.160 --> 00:04:51.040realized, you know, we probablymaybe don't even do this enough, because5900:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.750this is the truth. This isthe truth of what's going to happen to6000:04:57.269 --> 00:05:01.430these babies and these MOMS need toknow because they are not being told and6100:05:02.389 --> 00:05:06.110most of them don't know and infact neither do I believe, many of6200:05:06.180 --> 00:05:12.259the socalled pro choice people. Yeah, so we decided we really needed to6300:05:13.180 --> 00:05:17.500inform anyone that maybe is not awareof what happened. They need to know6400:05:18.100 --> 00:05:21.970what happens in an abortion, aswell as when to use it. Yeah,6500:05:23.009 --> 00:05:26.129yeah, I think it's important that, just in general, that we6600:05:26.370 --> 00:05:30.250know what happens in an abortion sothat we're informed of what we're dealing with.6700:05:30.490 --> 00:05:32.850Right, we need to know,we need to be well informed and6800:05:33.529 --> 00:05:36.839of course we have it in ourpamphlets, the little pamphlets that we hand6900:05:36.839 --> 00:05:42.839out at the abortion center, hopeis here pamphlets, and you know,7000:05:42.879 --> 00:05:45.759I think it's important that if you'regoing to hand something out, that you've7100:05:45.839 --> 00:05:48.000read what you're handing out and you'rewell versed and what's inside of that.7200:05:48.079 --> 00:05:53.310And now it doesn't get into graphicdetails, gets in some detail about what7300:05:53.389 --> 00:05:57.750happens in those abortion procedures and itbreaks down like the medical abortion, first7400:05:57.750 --> 00:06:01.230trimester, a second trimester, thirdtremester abortions and the procedures that are involved7500:06:01.269 --> 00:06:04.660in that. And so it's helpfulthat you have the information, especially again,7600:06:04.660 --> 00:06:08.379if you're going to hand out thatinformation. And I want to say7700:06:08.500 --> 00:06:13.420too, that you know we don'twant to come out of the gate talking7800:06:13.459 --> 00:06:16.540about the abortion procedures. See howgruesome they are right and the reason why7900:06:16.660 --> 00:06:19.129is because we want to try tobuild a relationship with that woman. We8000:06:19.170 --> 00:06:24.410don't want to it just immediately shutthe conversation down. Grosser out with what8100:06:24.569 --> 00:06:27.529she's doing and she kind of shutsdown in her mind when she hears this8200:06:27.689 --> 00:06:31.879graphic reality what's happening inside of there. But we have our three talking points8300:06:31.920 --> 00:06:35.160right, hey, what God says, what God says about the baby,8400:06:35.199 --> 00:06:40.800about the mom, the humanity tothe baby, describing fetal development and all8500:06:40.839 --> 00:06:44.439of that. Heart begins to beatat sixteen, Seventeen to twenty one days8600:06:44.480 --> 00:06:46.709after conception, and then, ofcourse, the resources that are available.8700:06:46.709 --> 00:06:50.189So those are three main talking points. We stick to those as much as8800:06:50.269 --> 00:06:55.269we can, but there is atime when it's appropriate to get outside of8900:06:55.350 --> 00:07:00.029that framework, certainly, and whenyou've kind of thrown everything at them as9000:07:00.069 --> 00:07:02.379far as these three talking points areconcerned, and there's a lot that's included9100:07:02.459 --> 00:07:08.060in those three talking points. It'sa framework really of points that we touch9200:07:08.180 --> 00:07:11.699on, but there's a lot thatcan be said even within that framework.9300:07:12.259 --> 00:07:15.250But there are some things outside ofthat framework and talking about abortion procedures is9400:07:15.410 --> 00:07:19.850one of those things and I thinkthis can actually be a very effective way9500:07:20.689 --> 00:07:25.370to help really awaken the conscience ofthe woman as you're talking to her,9600:07:25.810 --> 00:07:29.250and I've done it talking to themen as well. I'll ask them as9700:07:29.290 --> 00:07:31.240if they come out on the sidewalkor whatever, if they stop in their9800:07:31.240 --> 00:07:35.480vehicle to talk, I'll ask themhow far along is she? I'll just9900:07:35.560 --> 00:07:40.439go right for how far long isyour girlfriend? And then do you know10000:07:40.600 --> 00:07:43.560what's going to happen to your baby? And I do want to make sure10100:07:43.680 --> 00:07:46.470in personalize that, right. Idon't want to say something like you know10200:07:46.509 --> 00:07:50.509what happens to babies in procedures,or you know what's going to happen to10300:07:50.550 --> 00:07:54.550her baby. No, I don'tmake it personal for him as a man,10400:07:54.629 --> 00:07:57.189and if I'm talking to a woman, I want to make it personal.10500:07:57.230 --> 00:07:59.459Do you know what's going to happento your baby? I might even10600:07:59.500 --> 00:08:01.500say you know what's going to happento your son or daughter that you carry10700:08:01.540 --> 00:08:05.379in your womb? Do you knowwhat's going to happen to your son or10800:08:05.420 --> 00:08:09.459daughter that she carries in her womb? And then, of course, I'll10900:08:09.500 --> 00:08:13.689break down if I know that she'sif he says she's nine weeks along or11000:08:13.810 --> 00:08:16.889whatever, I'll take his word forit and I'll begin to describe what you11100:08:16.970 --> 00:08:18.529know, if she's going to takethe abortion pill. A lot of times11200:08:18.610 --> 00:08:22.050they don't know, but I foundthat they will actually say, well,11300:08:22.089 --> 00:08:24.290she's taking the pill, because italmost kind of like in their mind,11400:08:24.370 --> 00:08:28.519minimizes it. It's not really anabortion. And even some, some Christians,11500:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.039some pro life, or especially peoplethat are new to this kind of11600:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.000view, it that that way,that surgical abortions are real abortions, abortion11700:08:35.080 --> 00:08:37.919pills are not, and we're goingto talk about that toward the end of11800:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.149this article a little bit breaking downthat, because a medical abortion, the11900:08:41.230 --> 00:08:46.110abortion pell procedure, is just asmuch as an abortion, and I will12000:08:46.110 --> 00:08:50.309say that it's just as much anabortion as a surgical abortion and in some12100:08:50.509 --> 00:08:56.139ways can be a little more graphic. If you guys have seen the unplanned12200:08:56.259 --> 00:08:58.019movie, there's a whole scene inthere and we're going to give you a12300:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.659few in the article. We're goingto give you a few links and I12400:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.460think maybe, Vicky, we shouldlink that article as well, or that12500:09:05.980 --> 00:09:11.769that Youtube video in this article aswell, where it's a scene in unplanned12600:09:11.169 --> 00:09:16.409where the person who portrays Abby Johnsonactually goes through an abortion pill procedure.12700:09:16.809 --> 00:09:20.409She's in the bathroom, blood allover the place after the abortion pill procedure12800:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.720is completed, and we've done numerousepisodes. Go on the Gospel Center pro12900:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.879lifecom and search abortion pill and you'llfind a couple of episodes we've done and13000:09:28.919 --> 00:09:35.480we've talked about this a couple ofdifferent times. Anyway, I guess I13100:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.870kind of rabbit trailed and run throughthe article and some ways a little earlier13200:09:37.950 --> 00:09:41.429than we intended to touch on certainthings. But we're going to put some13300:09:41.590 --> 00:09:46.429videos into the show notes, orat least into the article that was written13400:09:46.429 --> 00:09:48.909as a framework for this episode,and I want you guys to watch those13500:09:48.950 --> 00:09:54.100videos. They're graphic, I getit, but I think we need to13600:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.860sometimes refresh our hearts and minds ofwhat we're actually dealing with, to just13700:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.419have our hearts broken afresh, Ithink is really helpful. And then again13800:10:03.899 --> 00:10:05.899we can help these women to seewhat they're about to do. And again13900:10:05.940 --> 00:10:09.529I think there's an appropriate time forthat. And you know, I would14000:10:09.529 --> 00:10:13.690say just again as kind of alittle maybe a little bit of a rabbit14100:10:13.730 --> 00:10:16.289trail. I think it'd be goodto get these links out of the article14200:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.769and to save them in a noteon your phone. If you're ministering out14300:10:20.769 --> 00:10:24.000on the sidewalk and you get tothe point where you think that it's appropriate14400:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.440to share these things, you canactually show them, if they're willing to14500:10:26.480 --> 00:10:31.320watch it, a video and thesethere's there's a longer video that explains all14600:10:31.360 --> 00:10:35.200of them together and then there's abreakdown of the different you know, medical14700:10:35.240 --> 00:10:39.190abortion, first trimester, second,third trimester there. So there's it's in14800:10:39.389 --> 00:10:41.710one kind of stream of videos andthen they even break it down salive action.14900:10:41.789 --> 00:10:45.230That does it break it down intolike I think it's three or four15000:10:45.230 --> 00:10:50.820minute videos for each procedure, andso I would have those on my phone.15100:10:50.899 --> 00:10:54.059You can search it really easily.Go on Youtube and search a live15200:10:54.139 --> 00:10:58.259action abortion procedures and you can findit pretty easily. But with all of15300:10:58.379 --> 00:11:01.620that said, Vicki, let's let'sjump into the article. If I didn't15400:11:01.899 --> 00:11:05.090well the really I think there's probablypeople listening already that are saying, I'm15500:11:05.090 --> 00:11:09.210never going to do that. Isaid that about the graphics signs, never15600:11:09.289 --> 00:11:11.610going to look at. Never goingto show those I'm not going to use15700:11:11.730 --> 00:11:18.919shock value to to to get someonenot to kill their baby. But you15800:11:18.000 --> 00:11:22.200know, as I was praying andthinking about this article in the aftermath of15900:11:22.399 --> 00:11:26.120when I I've talked about this often, actually on on the MIC, but16000:11:26.240 --> 00:11:33.110not in a while at the abortioncenter, and when I did this most16100:11:33.230 --> 00:11:37.029recent time, I started crying goingthrough it and it made me realize,16200:11:37.070 --> 00:11:43.190you know, I probably don't dothis enough, because if it causes this16300:11:43.950 --> 00:11:50.179strong a response in me, whoknows this information, it really could be16400:11:50.340 --> 00:11:54.100a turning point for the women goingin there who have maybe never heard it.16500:11:54.740 --> 00:11:58.100But one of the verses that ithappened to be in my Bible study16600:11:58.139 --> 00:12:05.169at the the time that I wasreheard researching for this article is Ezekiel thirty16700:12:05.289 --> 00:12:09.730three six, and I think it'ssuch an important verse in terms of maybe16800:12:11.289 --> 00:12:18.600helping to us all to think aboutshould we be warning mom's about what is16900:12:18.720 --> 00:12:22.320going to happen to their baby,and should we do so graphically, and17000:12:22.600 --> 00:12:26.120and so that verse. Did youwant to read it? You have that17100:12:26.200 --> 00:12:30.470verse there. Yeah, it says, but if the watchman sees the sword17200:12:30.549 --> 00:12:33.230coming and is not blow the trumpetto warn the people and the sword comes17300:12:33.269 --> 00:12:37.230and take someone's life. That person'slife will be taken because of their sin,17400:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.340but I will hold the watchman accountablefor their blood. Yeah, you17500:12:43.460 --> 00:12:52.059know, so that you know thesword is coming and and someone's life is17600:12:52.220 --> 00:12:56.340going to be taken and we arecalled to warn them or their blood is17700:12:56.419 --> 00:13:01.929on our hands. It's basically paraphrasingwhat what that is saying, and I17800:13:03.049 --> 00:13:09.370guess people could argue about what thatwarning should be, but we are called17900:13:09.409 --> 00:13:15.320to speak truth and the even theword abortion muddies what the truth is.18000:13:15.600 --> 00:13:20.600Abortion doesn't come close to describing whatis actually going to take place. And18100:13:20.720 --> 00:13:26.639of course, things like calling itchoice or healthcare. I don't know what's18200:13:26.639 --> 00:13:33.029happening throughout the nation, but Iknow at our facility increasingly the pro choice18300:13:33.549 --> 00:13:39.149people, the socalled pro chose people, are shouting out this is normal,18400:13:39.029 --> 00:13:46.100this is good, this is thisis loving, this is right. Yeah,18500:13:46.220 --> 00:13:52.379and that cannot stand. I justfelt more and more strongly. We18600:13:52.740 --> 00:13:58.450cannot let that lie stand and weand we have to counter it, and18700:13:58.570 --> 00:14:05.769the the best way to counter itis with truth, and I think graphic18800:14:05.850 --> 00:14:13.679truth. We there is a worldof difference between saying abortion is barbaric and18900:14:13.000 --> 00:14:20.080saying your baby, your son oryour daughter, a living member of your19000:14:20.279 --> 00:14:26.230family, is going to have theirarms and legs ripped off while they are19100:14:26.269 --> 00:14:31.789still alive, without anesthesia. Yeah, they're there, then they can conclude19200:14:33.190 --> 00:14:37.580for themselves that this is barbaric,that it is horrific. So I just19300:14:39.019 --> 00:14:45.019I I believe very strongly it's importantfor us not only to show graphic images19400:14:45.220 --> 00:14:52.450but to be knowledgeable and to describethe the graphic reality of what happens in19500:14:52.529 --> 00:14:58.330an abortion. In fact, Ithink it was ray comfort who showed some19600:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.769of these videos that you're talking aboutabout what happens in an abortion and people19700:15:03.809 --> 00:15:07.720would change their minds on the spotabout whether abortion should be legal. It19800:15:09.559 --> 00:15:15.039shows the power of that. Ihope that that convinces people that, yes,19900:15:15.200 --> 00:15:18.080this should be in your repertoire.Of You know things that you're going20000:15:18.080 --> 00:15:22.549to talk about and you alluded toalready, Daniel, when to bring that20100:15:22.710 --> 00:15:26.149into the discussion, but maybe justsummarize when. When would you, in20200:15:26.429 --> 00:15:31.909general, bring up the graphic detailsof what happens in an abortion? Yeah,20300:15:33.110 --> 00:15:35.899now, I think it is good. You were talking about doing on20400:15:35.019 --> 00:15:43.820a microphone everybody's scenario is a littlebit different where the abortion centers in different20500:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.059cities are and because of the ruleslaws things, some people can't even use20600:15:48.100 --> 00:15:56.649amplified sounds. Some people can.Again, I don't well, I'm confident20700:15:56.809 --> 00:16:00.409that it's not the main theme ofwhat we need to be saying right as20800:16:00.490 --> 00:16:03.960far as how graphic and how terribleabortion is in the sense of like describing20900:16:04.039 --> 00:16:10.480graphic details. But I do thinkit can be very appropriate to share and21000:16:10.559 --> 00:16:15.519I think the on the microphone,letting folks know what's about the happen to21100:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.269their baby, can be a powerfulway to do it. And I think21200:16:18.309 --> 00:16:22.149again, shutting the mouths of thepro abortion people who tell that this is21300:16:22.149 --> 00:16:27.789a woman's right to choose, thatthey sanitize really what's happening by using the21400:16:27.870 --> 00:16:33.059word abortion or using words like healthcareand things like that. And so when21500:16:33.059 --> 00:16:36.620you get into describing, okay,this abortion thing, what is it actually21600:16:36.620 --> 00:16:40.700what are we actually talking about?It's an act of violence. I mean21700:16:40.779 --> 00:16:47.169even abortionists that perform abortions have admittedthat abortion is an act of violence.21800:16:47.570 --> 00:16:49.809And that's really what you're trying toget to, that abortion is an act21900:16:49.850 --> 00:16:55.690of violence. So I want alwaysdescribe the abortion procedures, but I will22000:16:55.690 --> 00:17:00.129always, almost always, say thatabortion is not healthcare. Abortion is an22100:17:00.169 --> 00:17:03.559act of violence that you commit againstyour own baby. That's that's actually a22200:17:03.640 --> 00:17:07.680common phrase that I use. Yeah, and then I will get sometimes into22300:17:07.720 --> 00:17:15.319describing the abortion procedures and and theabortion pill. I think as far as22400:17:15.710 --> 00:17:19.190you know, as far as likea public declaration on a microphone or calling22500:17:19.269 --> 00:17:22.390out, I don't know if Ican say here's the perfect time to do22600:17:22.589 --> 00:17:26.430that. I think when you've kindof given everything else, you've touched on22700:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.390those three talking points, then yeah, go for it, you know.22800:17:30.099 --> 00:17:32.460But again, I don't think it'sthe first thing a woman needs to hear22900:17:32.539 --> 00:17:34.859soon as she gets out of hervehicle or soon as she you meet her23000:17:34.940 --> 00:17:38.859walking up the sidewalk. I thinkthe first thing is obviously letting her know23100:17:40.059 --> 00:17:44.369that you, you're a human beingthat acknowledges her humanity, that acknowledges the23200:17:44.410 --> 00:17:48.930humanity her baby, and talking aboutkind of around those three talking points.23300:17:48.289 --> 00:17:52.569But when you're getting into a oneone conversation, as I described earlier,23400:17:52.609 --> 00:17:55.210I do this when I'm talking tothe men, even when I'm talking to23500:17:55.250 --> 00:17:57.170the Moms, when I get himsome more of an indepth conversation. I23600:17:57.369 --> 00:18:02.640guess, for lack of a betterterm, I've thrown everything but the kitchen23700:18:02.759 --> 00:18:04.640sink at them. Then I guessthat is probably the kitchen scenk. Do23800:18:04.680 --> 00:18:08.279you know what's going to happen toyour baby? And I will begin to23900:18:08.400 --> 00:18:14.109describe and we even have within someof our literature we have a sticker of24000:18:14.190 --> 00:18:17.150a baby that's a victim of abortion, and so I'll ask, can I24100:18:17.269 --> 00:18:19.470show you what abortion looks like?And I will open that up and I24200:18:19.589 --> 00:18:22.710think that some of you, ifyou don't have them, if you're ministering24300:18:22.789 --> 00:18:27.099on the sidewalk, then you shouldreach out to the website is abortion no24400:18:27.380 --> 00:18:33.539dot org. I believe it's eitherabortion no dot org or abortion nocom.24500:18:33.740 --> 00:18:37.180It's CBR, center for bioethical reform, and they really kind of I mean24600:18:37.259 --> 00:18:41.130that's their ministry, is to showthe graphic images of abortions. They do24700:18:41.210 --> 00:18:44.609it on college campus, as wedid a podcast with some of their guys24800:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.250a while back. But they havethese little cards. It's like a business24900:18:48.329 --> 00:18:52.210card size and you can get biggerones as well, but you can order25000:18:52.250 --> 00:18:53.890them. They're like ten cents apiece or something. I don't know.25100:18:53.930 --> 00:18:59.640They're not they're not much, butit shows, it depicts an abortion,25200:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.799and so it'll be a picture ofa baby that's a victim of abortion.25300:19:03.720 --> 00:19:04.920Now, like eight weeks, nineweeks. They have it all through,25400:19:06.200 --> 00:19:10.670you know, all nine months ofpregnancy, I believe. But I think25500:19:10.670 --> 00:19:12.589it's appropriate to even have some ofthose on hand and to say, can25600:19:12.589 --> 00:19:15.509I show you what an abortion lookslike, and then to begin to describe25700:19:15.509 --> 00:19:19.190there's abortion procedures. Often Times whatyou're going to get is repulsion. Right,25800:19:19.230 --> 00:19:25.059they're they're not going to like whatthey're hearing, but you'd be surprised25900:19:25.779 --> 00:19:29.500how much they'll actually listen to isyou're describing these abortion procedures, and I26000:19:29.579 --> 00:19:33.420believe you need to be intentional aboutdoing it and not an accusatory way.26100:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.220We got to remember these women arein fear. There's a lot of fear,26200:19:37.339 --> 00:19:40.769there's a lot of lies that arebeing spoken to them. So we're26300:19:40.769 --> 00:19:45.210not trying to come across as anaccusatory way. In a sense, want26400:19:45.250 --> 00:19:48.769to make sure our tone is onethat's a tone that sets the tone of26500:19:51.410 --> 00:19:55.839kindness, gentleness, of course,but also forthrightness, like we don't need26600:19:55.880 --> 00:19:57.799to back away from the truth.I know you guys are getting from me26700:19:57.920 --> 00:20:03.200almost in this in this podcast,that that I kind of tiptoe and eggshells,26800:20:03.240 --> 00:20:06.839and this I don't I'm not tryingto convey that this not important.26900:20:07.119 --> 00:20:10.109I just do want to convey toyou guys, I think more than anything,27000:20:10.470 --> 00:20:12.349that this is not what we needto be yelling at the abortion center27100:20:12.430 --> 00:20:18.150constantly. Don't go in there anddismember your baby and describing a just I27200:20:18.269 --> 00:20:22.019don't want us to be conveyed asthe Raven Lunatics on the sidewalk that are27300:20:22.059 --> 00:20:26.779always talking about, you know,dead babies and those procedures that they do27400:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.059inside of their I think we needto be talking about Jesus. We need27500:20:30.099 --> 00:20:33.859to be talking about there's babies andtheir value. We need to be talking27600:20:33.900 --> 00:20:38.289about those mothers and what God hasprovided for them. But again, if27700:20:38.609 --> 00:20:44.410all of that sort of fails,then yeah, let's talk about the reality27800:20:44.490 --> 00:20:49.480of what's going to happen inside ofthere in a way that's informative and does27900:20:49.559 --> 00:20:53.680have some shock value to it.Let's face it, there's some shock value28000:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.559in describing these things, and thatshock value can be valuable. It can28100:20:59.599 --> 00:21:03.119awaken their conscience to the truth andfor pro abortion people it can really tear28200:21:03.240 --> 00:21:07.670down that whole lot that holds justa Blob of tissue, club of sales.28300:21:07.549 --> 00:21:11.710Like if pro choice people would watchthe videos that we talked about with28400:21:11.789 --> 00:21:17.549Dr Anthony Levantino kind of breaking downthe abortion procedures that live action put out,28500:21:18.190 --> 00:21:21.980it would dispel a lot of theirfalse notions and I think some of28600:21:22.019 --> 00:21:25.059them would actually they would have toadmit that they pent wrong, because they28700:21:25.140 --> 00:21:30.259sanitize this thing by using terms likeabortion and fetus and medical procedures and,28800:21:30.619 --> 00:21:33.170hell you, reproductive healthcare and allthat stuff, when I'm reality, we're28900:21:33.210 --> 00:21:38.769talking about dismembering little human beings intheir mother's way, right. I think29000:21:38.809 --> 00:21:45.769thinking about the tone the what Iobject to is when I'm just hearing anger,29100:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.279just anger at at the whole system. We all, I guess,29200:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.799have that, but that you shouldn'tbe the tone of our voice. But29300:21:53.880 --> 00:22:02.670I think that if your voice conveyscompassion for that child, there is a29400:22:02.789 --> 00:22:07.069difference and and I think it's importantto keep your focus not on your anger29500:22:07.109 --> 00:22:12.910at the parents or the abortionist storeor the e in the pro choice people,29600:22:12.990 --> 00:22:18.500but to to be filled with yourvoice, filled with a compassion for29700:22:18.660 --> 00:22:22.019what is going to happen to thatbaby and and I think then then it29800:22:22.180 --> 00:22:26.900is maybe more easily received because Ithink if that's really what is in your29900:22:26.940 --> 00:22:33.490heart, that is conveyed. Soso one of the things that we have30000:22:33.769 --> 00:22:38.609the benefit of as many of theabortion workers have left, including a couple30100:22:38.650 --> 00:22:42.970of abortion managers in the areas wherewe work, where we minister, and30200:22:44.170 --> 00:22:47.839so we have a lot of informationfrom them, what they've told us about30300:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.240what made them leave, what theysaw, and that's one of the things30400:22:52.319 --> 00:22:57.400I will often speak about, whichis what they observed, these people who30500:22:57.400 --> 00:23:02.109saw a day in and day apt, and there was something that, even30600:23:02.309 --> 00:23:07.549to their calloused hearts and eyes,there was a tipping point. Yeah,30700:23:07.589 --> 00:23:11.589and what that tipping point was,and I can think of two specific things30800:23:12.339 --> 00:23:18.220that for me, just really stayedwith me when these former workers described what30900:23:18.339 --> 00:23:22.059they had seen. We're going toget into and just a minute about the31000:23:22.180 --> 00:23:27.730procedure itself and what happens, butin one of them was a an abortion31100:23:29.410 --> 00:23:36.210clinic manager and she was called intoassist with with the abortion at times,31200:23:36.329 --> 00:23:41.720and she was then also involved incounting the baby parts, which you have31300:23:41.880 --> 00:23:45.519to do to make sure all thebaby is out of the mother at the31400:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.880end. Yeah, and she didthat. Oh, she did that many31500:23:48.920 --> 00:23:55.910times. But there was one timewhere the baby's eyeball floated by all by31600:23:55.950 --> 00:24:00.750itself and intact eyeball in that dish, and she said there was something about31700:24:02.230 --> 00:24:07.549that, that sight, that waswhat did it for her. She just31800:24:07.950 --> 00:24:14.779she realized, I can't do thisanymore. And and just that visual as31900:24:14.900 --> 00:24:18.339even as I said that, myeyes teered up the visual of what it32000:24:18.500 --> 00:24:23.809took for an intact eyeball to beremoved from a living child. Then the32100:24:25.089 --> 00:24:29.210second thing that really struck me.This was I don't think this was an32200:24:29.250 --> 00:24:33.690abortion manager. She was she wasa nurse or a technician that served in32300:24:33.730 --> 00:24:37.599the abortion room and when she leftshe was very traumatized. I would say32400:24:37.680 --> 00:24:45.759she definitely had post traumatic syndrome,stressing Rome and and did end up having32500:24:45.799 --> 00:24:52.759a lot of counseling and help.But I asked her what what made you32600:24:52.910 --> 00:24:56.750leave and she said it wasn't somuch what I saw, it was the32700:24:56.990 --> 00:25:02.390sounds and which made no sense tome. And I said the sounds,32800:25:02.589 --> 00:25:06.670what what do you mean? Andshe said when the abortionist would rip the32900:25:06.789 --> 00:25:11.259limb from the baby's body. Therewould be an audible pop as the joint33000:25:11.700 --> 00:25:15.779was destroyed, as the limb waspulled out at the joint. And and33100:25:17.779 --> 00:25:21.609hearing that again again makes me wantto cry just thinking of that. And33200:25:21.930 --> 00:25:26.769I remember, maybe it was DrLeavittino, someone saying an abortionist has to33300:25:26.849 --> 00:25:32.049be strong. It's not easy torip apart a living child. So you33400:25:32.210 --> 00:25:37.000say things like that, it justhits you in your gut and the I33500:25:37.279 --> 00:25:42.680we haven't even started describing the procedure. But you know, I think it's33600:25:42.720 --> 00:25:48.559valuable to know what the abortion workersthemselves have have said or the terrible things33700:25:48.640 --> 00:25:56.509that they've that they've seen. Yeah, so, so maybe we want to33800:25:56.750 --> 00:26:02.230one of the things that is alsoimportant to convey, and in the article33900:26:02.990 --> 00:26:07.140that will be putting out we willhave a link to another article where talks34000:26:07.140 --> 00:26:12.539about some of the dangers to thewoman, particularly in that article it talked34100:26:12.700 --> 00:26:17.460mostly about surgical abortion. I thinkDaniel made later on you're going to talk34200:26:17.460 --> 00:26:22.009about the pill abortion some of thedangers with that. But one of them34300:26:22.250 --> 00:26:27.569there is a huge risk of Idon't know huge risk. Let's see,34400:26:27.569 --> 00:26:32.369I actually have it down in thisarticle. It said point three two percent34500:26:33.279 --> 00:26:41.279of women have uterine perforation as arisk, and the reason for that is34600:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.839most abortions are blind, which meansthey are not ultrasound guided. In a34700:26:45.920 --> 00:26:52.150surgical abortion, in most cases theabortionist is going in blindly and into the34800:26:52.230 --> 00:26:56.670woman. With that a tool calledthe sofur clamp, which is kind of34900:26:56.750 --> 00:27:02.220like a, I don't know,a forceps with sharp, sharp metal teeth,35000:27:02.700 --> 00:27:07.019and he's going to just blindly reacharound until he hits something hard,35100:27:07.420 --> 00:27:10.539which is the baby. You know, it might be a hand, afoot35200:27:10.700 --> 00:27:17.250and arm or a leg, buthe could also hit the uterus because there's35300:27:17.289 --> 00:27:22.329no ultrasound guiding where that tool isgoing. So the woman, the woman,35400:27:22.450 --> 00:27:25.769can be damaged if any of thebaby parts are left in there.35500:27:26.769 --> 00:27:32.039The risk of infection. One anda hundred twenty five women has a dangerous35600:27:32.079 --> 00:27:41.279infection following a surgical abortion. There'sincreased risk of premature birth and subsequent pregnancies,35700:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.269and that that's a pretty big risk. Again, one and twenty three35800:27:45.309 --> 00:27:53.509women. So those are not insignificantrisks of of the abortion. So they35900:27:56.509 --> 00:28:03.740these two videos that you talked aboutare really good. We're going to link36000:28:03.940 --> 00:28:08.059them up. Dr Levantino describing whathappens in in a s urgical abortion,36100:28:08.140 --> 00:28:14.769and that that's where we'll will start. I've already started kind of describing that.36200:28:14.930 --> 00:28:18.289He goes in the the cervix issoftened. Yeah, he goes in36300:28:18.490 --> 00:28:23.569with a this sofur clamp and othertools, but the sofur clamp it can36400:28:23.690 --> 00:28:27.640both grab and hang on tightly andit's not going to let go. And36500:28:27.839 --> 00:28:33.920also the teeth or sharp, soit's also piercing and suffering as a and36600:28:33.079 --> 00:28:40.359so he goes in there, grabswhatever he finds, clamps, twist and36700:28:40.799 --> 00:28:47.390literally rips off a piece of thebaby and and then does that over and36800:28:47.430 --> 00:28:52.990over again until the baby has beenremoved. Depending upon the end the baby36900:28:53.109 --> 00:28:57.059is living. I don't know howlong the baby lives. In the video37000:28:57.220 --> 00:29:02.579it makes it look like the babylives. It's a kind of cartoony video,37100:29:02.779 --> 00:29:06.220but I assume it's based on whathe knows is the truth, and37200:29:06.579 --> 00:29:11.210it looks like the baby lives atleast through that first limb being ripped off37300:29:11.450 --> 00:29:18.490and possibly through the second, probablyexcruciating pain. We definitely there's no doubt37400:29:18.490 --> 00:29:22.849a baby at twenty weeks feels pain, probably earlier than that. They certainly37500:29:22.890 --> 00:29:27.720respond to touch at eight weeks.But because you know, sometimes you will37600:29:27.759 --> 00:29:34.480hear the pro choice crowd say thatthey're the CORTEX isn't fully developed and so37700:29:34.759 --> 00:29:40.269the baby can't possibly deal pain.But that's a misunderstanding of neurology, which37800:29:40.269 --> 00:29:45.670I studied. I was an occupationaltherapist my first career, and the CORTEX37900:29:45.789 --> 00:29:51.109actually has an inhibitory effect. Itdampens our sensory input. That's one of38000:29:51.150 --> 00:29:55.619the main roles of the CORTEX.So there when the CORTEX is fully developed,38100:29:55.660 --> 00:30:02.940it actually decreases the impact of pain, because otherwise the just the pain38200:30:03.019 --> 00:30:07.609would be so excruciating that we wouldgo into shock. But when there's no38300:30:07.849 --> 00:30:14.049cortex yet fully developed, the painis exaggerated. So this baby probably feels38400:30:14.089 --> 00:30:21.640pain to an unimaginable degree, dependingon the age of the child. But38500:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.240then because the skull, depending againon the age of the unborn baby,38600:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.519the skull is hard, it hasalready calcified and it cannot be pulled through38700:30:32.559 --> 00:30:37.349the cervix. And so the abortionist, with that sofur clamp, goes in38800:30:37.509 --> 00:30:42.589and crushes the skull and and thenremoves the the shards of the skull and38900:30:42.710 --> 00:30:48.509a milky white fluid comes out that'sthat's the brains coming out from the woman.39000:30:48.509 --> 00:30:52.980And what I read is when thatskull is crushed again there's a danger39100:30:52.339 --> 00:30:57.539of a perforated uterus because those fragmentsare sharp and there either it can perforate39200:30:57.579 --> 00:31:00.859the uterus, it can perforate thecervix, it can damage other organs.39300:31:02.700 --> 00:31:08.210So and then then the abortionist goesback in with a curet or suction scrapes39400:31:08.329 --> 00:31:14.809out anything that he might have missedand all of these pieces are suctioned and39500:31:14.970 --> 00:31:22.599collected in in a dish where thena technician or a nurse will put the39600:31:22.680 --> 00:31:27.039pieces back together and and count andmake sure that all the baby parts are39700:31:27.240 --> 00:31:32.839out and if they are, thoseall go into a medical waste bag and39800:31:33.069 --> 00:31:37.950and then in at our facility,those bags are all collected in a certain39900:31:37.990 --> 00:31:41.829time each week. A truck inour area called the sterocycle truck will come40000:31:41.869 --> 00:31:47.859and pick up this medical waste andit. The irony of this never escapes40100:31:47.940 --> 00:31:52.019me. On the side of thetruck is the sterocycle slogan, which is40200:31:52.619 --> 00:32:00.019we protect what matters and and when. When I have finished describing that in40300:32:00.339 --> 00:32:05.490detail and like, like you said, I it is a last resort.40400:32:05.650 --> 00:32:09.930If I'm talking about that, it'sbecause I know there's someone in there who's40500:32:09.930 --> 00:32:14.690about to have a surgical abortion.When I'm describing this, and and I40600:32:14.890 --> 00:32:19.240know that we've tried everything else.Are Three talking points. Their heart is40700:32:19.359 --> 00:32:23.359so hard that I feel this isthis is all that I have left,40800:32:23.400 --> 00:32:28.519anyway, that I can think ofto say, and I will often conclude40900:32:28.640 --> 00:32:35.069with with the sentence. Should anycivilized society condone this in any arm?41000:32:35.109 --> 00:32:39.190Yeah, of course the answer isno. Right, and this is what41100:32:39.349 --> 00:32:44.339you've just described, the graphic realityof what we're dealing with, right,41200:32:45.099 --> 00:32:49.700and even though it's not fun totalk about and of course, as you're41300:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.339going through and describing all of thatstuff, it's just so, so gruesome.41400:32:52.380 --> 00:32:57.180Yeah, but it is the gruesomereality of what's going on in those41500:32:57.259 --> 00:33:00.769buildings, right, and you know, we shouldn't shy away from that.41600:33:01.809 --> 00:33:07.049It's a I mean we think about, I go back to but happened in41700:33:07.089 --> 00:33:14.400the days of Nazi Germany and reallydescribing how they gassed Jews. They called41800:33:14.440 --> 00:33:19.000them nonhuman, just like we doin our society for these unborn children,41900:33:19.039 --> 00:33:22.839right, and of course, thegraphic nature of what they did in that42000:33:22.200 --> 00:33:27.309that needs to be described, itneeds to be explained to modern society so42100:33:27.470 --> 00:33:30.789that we can stop the wickedness thatwe're involved in. Yeah, the same42200:33:30.829 --> 00:33:37.069way like in the days of slaveryand the graphic things that were done to42300:33:37.269 --> 00:33:39.309the Africans that were brought over here, in others who were brought over here42400:33:39.430 --> 00:33:43.700to this country and then other countriesaround the world that have been involved in42500:33:43.819 --> 00:33:49.460slavery. It's like human beings aretreated like less than human. They're treated42600:33:49.500 --> 00:33:53.099like in this case, it's describingthese procedures treated like medical waste exactly,42700:33:53.180 --> 00:33:58.529and thrown away. Is Garbage,right, and that's a that's a gross42800:33:58.650 --> 00:34:00.730reality that needs to be shared.I think it needs to be shared in42900:34:00.769 --> 00:34:06.049a big picture way with society atlarge, but I do think also with43000:34:06.170 --> 00:34:09.360the mother's and with the fathers thatthis needs to be shared and it needs43100:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.079to be personalized in the sense thatI explained earlier. Like I'm talking to43200:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.599a young man, I'm going toexplain to him this is what's going to43300:34:16.679 --> 00:34:21.920happen to your son or your daughter, and in the same way, these43400:34:22.039 --> 00:34:23.550these mothers, this is what's goingto happen, this is what you're going43500:34:23.710 --> 00:34:29.030to be doing to your son,to your daughter? Would you want to43600:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.789do that to your baby? Andof course the reality is people can accuse43700:34:32.829 --> 00:34:37.309us of again being over the topand just, you know, trying to43800:34:37.349 --> 00:34:43.179use as a shock factor or whatever, but you can go on Google very43900:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.659easily and find out what an abortionprocedure and tails. You can go on44000:34:45.739 --> 00:34:50.340Google very easily and find out fetaldevelopment. Does my baby at nine weeks44100:34:50.380 --> 00:34:53.769have arms or legs? What doesan abortion do at nine weeks? And44200:34:53.929 --> 00:34:58.849the fact is that these women,if they have the abortion, many of44300:34:58.929 --> 00:35:02.130them, are going to find outthe graphic reality of abortion. They're conscious44400:35:02.130 --> 00:35:06.690is going to be bothering them.They're going to be wondering that really do44500:35:07.010 --> 00:35:08.440what I think I did, thatI really kill a baby, or was44600:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.039it just a blob of tissue,a clump of cells? They're going to44700:35:12.079 --> 00:35:14.679go on Google and they're going tofind out there. This is something I44800:35:14.719 --> 00:35:17.639will say on the microphone is I'mdescribing these abortion procedures. I'll say something44900:35:17.679 --> 00:35:22.030to the effect of you might notlike what you're hearing, but the fact45000:35:22.150 --> 00:35:24.349is that you're going to find outthe truth about abortion at some point.45100:35:24.349 --> 00:35:29.789Our heart our desires that you findout about abortion, about what you're about45200:35:29.789 --> 00:35:32.110to do to your baby before youdo it, and, based on that45300:35:32.349 --> 00:35:36.780truth, you turn away from itbecause the Bible says the truth will set45400:35:36.860 --> 00:35:39.380you free. Right, because theyagain, they're going to come face to45500:35:39.500 --> 00:35:43.460face with the reality of abortion.They might come face to face with that45600:35:43.579 --> 00:35:46.699reality on Google or, Gosh,the worst thing, they come face to45700:35:46.820 --> 00:35:51.170face with that reality when they standbefore God and they give an account for45800:35:51.289 --> 00:35:54.090what they've done. So our heart, our desires not just to gross them45900:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.530out and not to just come acrossas some kind of you know people bring46000:36:00.650 --> 00:36:05.079in the shock factor, whatever ourheart is, to share the truth in46100:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.599hopes of that truth will turn themaway from what they're about to do so46200:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.760they don't have to face that reality. That's right, yeah, to convict46300:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.239their hearts of what actually happens.And of course you can't do that if46400:36:15.280 --> 00:36:20.789you don't know. And I evenjust watching the video, which I've seen46500:36:20.869 --> 00:36:23.150many, many times, and it'snot even a real baby. It's a46600:36:23.389 --> 00:36:27.789depiction, you know, it's almostHartuny, like I said, but even46700:36:27.909 --> 00:36:32.260with that, it just it's horrifying. It's so horrifying. So it's not46800:36:32.460 --> 00:36:38.099pleasant, but it is very importantthat anyone involved in pro life ministry understand46900:36:38.699 --> 00:36:43.420what happens and be able to knowledge. But the speak about what happens.47000:36:43.699 --> 00:36:45.460So, Daniel, what happens then? Is A pill any better? We47100:36:45.579 --> 00:36:50.170hear over and over them saying yeah, pills just fine. Here's one thing47200:36:50.650 --> 00:36:52.889that I wouldn't try to mention asoften as I can actually, because I47300:36:53.050 --> 00:36:59.849see a lot of times people onthe sidewalks even conflating the abortion peal with47400:36:59.889 --> 00:37:02.000the morning after peal. Right,and so some people might even say,47500:37:02.039 --> 00:37:05.519well, the abortion center in ourcity, they don't. They don't do47600:37:05.639 --> 00:37:08.599real abortions. They only do thepill and they equate that because they say47700:37:08.599 --> 00:37:12.599it's like the morning after pill.But it's not. The abortion pill in47800:37:12.639 --> 00:37:16.150the morning after pill are two completelydifferent things. The morning after peal someone47900:37:16.230 --> 00:37:20.789would take if they think they had, if they had unprotected sex and they're48000:37:20.789 --> 00:37:24.949afraid they might get pregnant. Itactually primarily keeps the mother from conceiving a48100:37:25.030 --> 00:37:29.590child or keeps the woman from conceivinga baby. That's a primary function.48200:37:29.909 --> 00:37:32.300It could be abortive. It couldbe abortive facient, as that is that48300:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.739the word it could, it couldbe, but that's not the primary way48400:37:37.739 --> 00:37:40.340it works and it's not always amatter of fact, it's probably not even48500:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.650often an abortion. It just keepsher from conceiving. So that's one thing.48600:37:45.250 --> 00:37:51.969The abortion pill procedure, though,is always an abortion. It's always48700:37:52.130 --> 00:37:58.289killing a conceived child because typically theabortion pill will be administered, if a48800:37:58.329 --> 00:38:02.039woman chooses that procedure, between fiveand ten weeks. Normally they don't do48900:38:02.079 --> 00:38:07.159an abortion peal procedure after ten weeksbecause there's some further complications that can that49000:38:07.280 --> 00:38:12.869can happen, and I don't thinkit's even been FDA approved past ten weeks,49100:38:13.230 --> 00:38:15.750at least the last that I thatI knew. And most of the49200:38:15.750 --> 00:38:20.230abortion centers that do the abortion pillonly, like a lot of plan parenthoods49300:38:20.269 --> 00:38:24.110here in southern California do the abortionpill only, I think, well across49400:38:24.190 --> 00:38:29.980the nation, plan parenthoods and otherabortion centers that do the abortion pill only49500:38:30.059 --> 00:38:34.179on Ne do abortions up to tenweeks, but the abortion pill procedure.49600:38:34.659 --> 00:38:37.139And again we've done podcast about this, so please take advantage of those.49700:38:37.179 --> 00:38:43.769Be Knowledgeable about this. The abortionpill procedure is just as much an abortion49800:38:43.809 --> 00:38:46.809as a surgical abortion. So let'sjust be clear about that if the abortion49900:38:46.889 --> 00:38:52.090center down the road from Your Houseor near your church only does the abortion50000:38:52.130 --> 00:38:57.119pill, they are still killing babies. Okay, it's not. It's not.50100:38:57.360 --> 00:39:00.440And now maybe in our minds andwith our human sensitivities it's a little50200:39:00.440 --> 00:39:06.519less graphic, maybe because it's notactually dismembering a baby. Because very early50300:39:06.599 --> 00:39:08.440along, even at six weeks,five weeks, if they do a surgical50400:39:08.480 --> 00:39:13.429abortion, they do a suction aspirationabortion where the baby is sucked through a50500:39:14.829 --> 00:39:19.230to a Canula, in essence,sucks through a vacuum tube and, you50600:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.150know, it's little body is putinto a peatree dish, being kind of50700:39:22.269 --> 00:39:29.139just ground up through that section.That's a dismemberment aboard. That baby's being50800:39:29.219 --> 00:39:31.739dismembered. He or she's very small, and so we even might think of50900:39:31.820 --> 00:39:36.820that as being a little less graphicbecause they're not actually taking forceps and dismembering51000:39:36.900 --> 00:39:40.170the baby. But the reality is, if we believe life begins a conception51100:39:40.329 --> 00:39:45.889and we believe that every human beingis valuable from conception to natural death right,51200:39:45.969 --> 00:39:52.280and we believe that being prolife right, then whether they're no matter what51300:39:52.360 --> 00:39:57.280the procedure is and no matter howfar along the baby is, it's still51400:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.760an act of violence and it's stillwrong and it's still sin and we still51500:40:00.800 --> 00:40:05.199need to be speaking against it.So again, if they only do the51600:40:05.199 --> 00:40:09.349abortion pill where in your city,they're still killing children inside of that place.51700:40:09.389 --> 00:40:15.989Right and sadly, this is Iknow it's the California phenomenon and I'm51800:40:15.989 --> 00:40:19.230sure it is many of the places, many of the states here on the51900:40:19.309 --> 00:40:23.420West Coast and I'm sure some Midweststates and maybe even, I'm sure,52000:40:23.460 --> 00:40:27.099up in New York as well,where you can actually a woman can actually52100:40:27.099 --> 00:40:30.139get the abortion pill through. Tellof Mead where she didn't even have to52200:40:30.219 --> 00:40:32.059see a doctor, she didn't evenhave to have an ultrasound. She can52300:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.050just say hey, I'm this faralong and she can take the abortion pills52400:40:36.289 --> 00:40:39.289and do that whole thing at home. And that's dangerous. Dr Matt talked52500:40:39.329 --> 00:40:44.210about that in our last podcast severalmonths ago about the abortion pill. But52600:40:44.250 --> 00:40:45.889I'm just I'm going to describe,if that's okay, Vicky, what the52700:40:45.929 --> 00:40:51.840abortion pill in tells yes, andand just really I'll talk a little bit52800:40:51.880 --> 00:40:55.199about their risks, but just tokind of help you guys to understand the52900:40:55.320 --> 00:40:59.920graphic nature of the abortion pill andI mentioned earlier there's a video out there53000:41:00.280 --> 00:41:02.719from the unplanned movie. There's asegment of that whole movie you can find53100:41:02.760 --> 00:41:08.550on Youtube. I think you canjust search unplanned abortion pill and in you'll53200:41:08.590 --> 00:41:12.710find a video. I think it'sthree or four minutes long. Even try53300:41:12.710 --> 00:41:15.429to again link it in this articleor in the show notes of the podcast.53400:41:15.510 --> 00:41:19.019But the abortion pill works. Isactually not one pill, it's actually53500:41:19.099 --> 00:41:22.139two medications. So that's why Iwould say it's the abortion pill procedure,53600:41:22.460 --> 00:41:24.940because it's the procedure, not justone pill. So it's not like they53700:41:24.980 --> 00:41:29.139go into the abortion center, theytake a pill and they go on right,53800:41:29.420 --> 00:41:31.380and some people imagine this is thepro abortion. People in the abortion53900:41:31.460 --> 00:41:35.690industry wants us to believe that that'swhat it is. You just take a54000:41:35.769 --> 00:41:37.530peel, your baby disappear as yougo on with your life, your problems54100:41:37.530 --> 00:41:40.769disappear, you go on with yourlife a regular period and it's no big54200:41:40.769 --> 00:41:44.730deal. Yeah right, yeah,so it's sanitizes the whole thing, but54300:41:44.809 --> 00:41:49.559the reality is it's much more graphicthan that and it's much more involved than54400:41:49.679 --> 00:41:52.639that. It's not that you takethe peel baby kind of just dissolves,54500:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.320the pregnancy, the product of conception, dissolves and go on with your life.54600:41:55.440 --> 00:41:59.599No, they give them a medicationinside the abortion clinic. Typically,54700:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.829is how it works. They'll gointo the abortion clinic, they'll typically get54800:42:01.869 --> 00:42:07.150an ultrasound to make sure they're tenweeks or before so they can actually do54900:42:07.309 --> 00:42:13.389the abortion pill, and then theygive them a medication called mythopristone or myphoprex55000:42:13.590 --> 00:42:16.820is the brand name. I'm surethere's generic versions now, but they'll give55100:42:16.860 --> 00:42:21.500them that medication inside and that's theMedica inside the abortion center and that's the55200:42:21.579 --> 00:42:24.340medication. The actual will kill thebaby. So I won't get into all55300:42:24.340 --> 00:42:28.980the details because Dr Matt explains itin that podcast about it, but it55400:42:29.099 --> 00:42:31.730basically cuts off the flow of blood, oxygen and nutrients of the baby needs55500:42:31.730 --> 00:42:37.050to stay alive. The baby,the Placenta is attached to the uterine wall55600:42:37.409 --> 00:42:40.409that ultimately gets nutrients from the mother'sbody and gives that nutrients to the baby's55700:42:40.449 --> 00:42:45.400body. That placenta is detached fromthe uterine wall and the baby in essence55800:42:45.800 --> 00:42:50.280dies of not having the nutrients andthe auction in that he or she needs55900:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.000to survive. And then so themother will take that. The effects of56000:42:53.079 --> 00:42:58.559that medication, Mefapristone, take placein twenty four to forty eight hours.56100:42:58.590 --> 00:43:01.510It takes some time for that medicationto take an effect. Meanwhile, that56200:43:01.670 --> 00:43:07.110woman is sent home and she's toldto take the next medication. Miss a56300:43:07.230 --> 00:43:10.230pistol or sight attack is the brandname, and it's a medication that will56400:43:10.269 --> 00:43:14.019put her into Labor. But ofcourse, in an early pregnancy like that56500:43:14.380 --> 00:43:16.820and the medic the medication they gaveread the abortion clinic, killed the child's56600:43:16.900 --> 00:43:20.980in essence, what's happening is theyput her into Labor with that side attack,56700:43:21.059 --> 00:43:23.460that she takes it home and shedelivers that dead baby, often times56800:43:23.500 --> 00:43:29.010in the toilet or sometimes even inthe bathtub. Is She's trying to relieve56900:43:29.050 --> 00:43:34.250herself of the pain that comes,because that medication actually calls cause us contractions57000:43:34.289 --> 00:43:37.050and all that sometimes wrong. Gulimalsittings. Yeah, sometimes a woman be57100:43:37.090 --> 00:43:40.519sitting in a warm bath and thebaby will will be delivered that way.57200:43:40.760 --> 00:43:45.679Of course, at that point,often times that baby's dead. And of57300:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.320course, if you see that videofrom the unplanned movie and the abortion peel57400:43:50.360 --> 00:43:55.750procedure being played out in the bathroom, there there's blood everywhere. And digging57500:43:55.789 --> 00:44:02.429into plant parenthoods and the book,the abortion industries fine print on the abortion57600:44:02.469 --> 00:44:06.590peel procedure, if you read theirfine print, and this is on plant57700:44:06.630 --> 00:44:10.380pairhoods website, you'll see that oneout of five hundred women that go through57800:44:10.460 --> 00:44:15.059with the abortion pell procedure will requirea blood transfusion. So they're going to57900:44:15.099 --> 00:44:19.820lose a lot of blood. Theytell the women, because we've heard this58000:44:19.940 --> 00:44:22.940oftentimes, it's going to be likea minstrel cycle. It's not going to58100:44:22.980 --> 00:44:27.969be that big a deal. Wheneveractually on plan parents website, I think58200:44:27.969 --> 00:44:30.610they say I may get this alittle wrong. You guys can dig into58300:44:30.610 --> 00:44:35.010it. Maybe I'll even link thatin this in this article, if we58400:44:35.090 --> 00:44:37.760can do that, but they saythat the woman could pass golf ball size58500:44:37.960 --> 00:44:45.719blood clots as she's going through withthis abortion peel procedure. Now, of58600:44:45.800 --> 00:44:47.559course, you know I've talked alot about how it affects the mother,58700:44:47.679 --> 00:44:51.800but of course you talk a littlebit again about how to fix the baby.58800:44:51.920 --> 00:44:54.989That baby is a basically starved todeath that child, and very early,58900:44:55.269 --> 00:44:58.750you know, ten weeks, youcan already tell. Of course it's59000:44:58.750 --> 00:45:00.030a baby. Arms legs, fingersand toes and all that stuff. That59100:45:00.070 --> 00:45:05.949baby's already moving around, very small, but it's a baby and all the59200:45:05.989 --> 00:45:09.099nutrients, all the things that baby'sinnescence starve to death or suffocated because he59300:45:09.219 --> 00:45:13.900or she's not getting the blood,oxygen and nutrients that they need to stay59400:45:13.900 --> 00:45:16.380alive. And so it's an actof violence. Again, it's not any59500:45:16.420 --> 00:45:22.090less an abortion as a surgical abortion. It's just oftentimes completed at home.59600:45:22.769 --> 00:45:25.289And so I will lay that wholething out what I just laid out for59700:45:25.289 --> 00:45:28.610you guys. I'll lay that outfor the MOM. If I have the59800:45:28.690 --> 00:45:31.170opportunity, I'll lay that out forthe dad and I'll say something. It's59900:45:31.210 --> 00:45:36.239kind of at the end of that. You know that stream of thought is,60000:45:36.599 --> 00:45:38.760do you want that to happen toyour baby, and do you want60100:45:38.880 --> 00:45:43.639that to happen to you, ordo you want that to happen to your60200:45:43.719 --> 00:45:47.039girlfriend? To understand that there's risksinvolved. You understand that there are women60300:45:47.559 --> 00:45:52.190that have died that have taken theabortion peel, because there have been.60400:45:52.230 --> 00:45:55.989One woman I know locally, andCharlotte, died from the abortion pills.60500:45:57.070 --> 00:46:00.429She died actually because the doctor didn'tdo his due diligence and giving her an60600:46:00.469 --> 00:46:06.460ultrasound and finding out actually her babywas an ectopic pregnancy. In the abortion60700:46:06.500 --> 00:46:09.820pill doesn't do anything for nicktopic pregnancy. Her felopian to ruptured and she died.60800:46:10.340 --> 00:46:14.699So it wasn't a reass a directresult of the abortion pill itself,60900:46:15.219 --> 00:46:21.969but it was, of course thedoctor's negligence, and doctors can be negn61000:46:22.050 --> 00:46:27.250negligent, especially doctors that are paidto kill people's children from money, right.61100:46:27.690 --> 00:46:30.730And so we laying all that out. Being informed of all that stuff61200:46:30.730 --> 00:46:34.039is really helpful and if you knowthat, if you kind of go through61300:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.239like what we've just shared with youguys, and your knowledgeable about what the61400:46:37.280 --> 00:46:42.119abortion procedures and tail then you're moreknowledgeable than most of the socalled poy pro61500:46:42.199 --> 00:46:45.880choice people that support this stuff.If you have that knowledge and what we61600:46:45.000 --> 00:46:47.789shared in this podcast, you've gotmore more knowledge than even some of the61700:46:47.829 --> 00:46:52.070people that work inside the abortion clinic, because they don't have a clue.61800:46:52.710 --> 00:46:57.590They've been really lie they've been reallyduped and they've duped themselves and number their61900:46:57.630 --> 00:47:00.429own consciences seared. Their own consciencehas to believe that this is just about62000:47:00.429 --> 00:47:06.260a woman's body and they are disconnectedfrom the reality that there are two people62100:47:06.420 --> 00:47:08.820to be considered in each of theseabortion procedures, that, yes, the62200:47:08.940 --> 00:47:13.780woman should be considered, but thebaby is also to be considered, and62300:47:13.940 --> 00:47:16.369that baby's not just some foreign objectto remove from her body, but it's62400:47:16.409 --> 00:47:21.530actually a human being, right,and that's why you have, like what62500:47:21.610 --> 00:47:25.250you're talking about, these these abortionworkers, really shocked with with the truth62600:47:25.329 --> 00:47:28.969of what's going on. Yeah,and you think about it, just kind62700:47:29.010 --> 00:47:31.360of as a side note. Nowmentioned this too, that you have a62800:47:31.440 --> 00:47:36.519woman who's believed the lies that theabortion industry has told her, that her62900:47:36.559 --> 00:47:38.960baby's just a blob of tissue orclump of cells, that what she's going63000:47:39.000 --> 00:47:42.719to go through with the abortion peelprocedure, for example, is just like63100:47:42.800 --> 00:47:45.989a menstrual cycle. She she believesthat she goes in, she goes through63200:47:45.030 --> 00:47:50.070with the abortion peel procedure and,like some women have not, not I63300:47:50.150 --> 00:47:52.269don't even know the majority, butit has happened, because we've heard of63400:47:52.389 --> 00:47:55.389this. She's believed all of thatstuff, that it's not a baby,63500:47:55.710 --> 00:47:59.539and then she delivers this child atnine weeks, ten weeks, into the63600:47:59.619 --> 00:48:01.579toilet and she looks into the toiletto see, you know, did she63700:48:01.699 --> 00:48:06.139just pass a golf ball size bloodclot? I mean what? Obviously you63800:48:06.179 --> 00:48:07.739want to see what's going on there. It looks down and she sees a63900:48:07.820 --> 00:48:13.130fully formed, intact baby that shekilled. I think about that. She's64000:48:13.130 --> 00:48:15.969been told it's a blob of tissue, a clump of cells, but she64100:48:15.090 --> 00:48:17.889comes face to face of the realityof what she's done right there in her64200:48:17.969 --> 00:48:22.210bathroom by herself, seeing her baby, her son or daughter, and of64300:48:22.289 --> 00:48:27.960course, oftentimes flushing that baby downthe toilet like waste. What a grievous64400:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.800thing. What a grievous thing forher? Yeah, to really have been64500:48:30.920 --> 00:48:36.119lied to and duped and the peoplethat are supposed to support her in telling64600:48:36.159 --> 00:48:37.800her this is health care, actuallytold her it was a Blob of tissue64700:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.909and she sees it's a baby andthen, of course, for that that64800:48:42.230 --> 00:48:45.869that baby like. What a grievousthing, yeah, to have happened to64900:48:45.949 --> 00:48:50.750her into that baby. Yeah,I've heard many pro choice people try to65000:48:51.230 --> 00:48:53.989defend all of this, particularly withthe pill, because the baby so much65100:48:54.030 --> 00:49:00.340smaller early on, saying well,it's not sentient, the baby doesn't know65200:49:00.900 --> 00:49:06.500that. The baby's being starved orasphyxiated. And I just come right back65300:49:06.659 --> 00:49:15.610with where else is a stronger personto prey upon a completely vulnerable little person?65400:49:15.690 --> 00:49:20.650And it's okay because, I thinkagain, it is so important to65500:49:20.809 --> 00:49:27.199keep bringing everyone back to the factthis is a human being and it may65600:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.840not be fully developed. He orshe may not be fully developed, but65700:49:30.000 --> 00:49:39.230he or she is vulnerable and weare as as civilized people, should protect65800:49:39.550 --> 00:49:49.030the vulnerable, not contribute to theirdeath because they can't defend themselves. Heavy65900:49:49.070 --> 00:49:53.300subject and we know it is andwe're sorry for that. But but I66000:49:53.460 --> 00:49:58.900think again to reiterate, saying thatan abortion is barbaric is one thing and66100:49:59.659 --> 00:50:05.500most people will be able to justcontinue on into a clinic, but describing66200:50:06.139 --> 00:50:10.969the barber the barbaric nature of anabortion blow by blow is a completely different66300:50:12.769 --> 00:50:21.050thing and I think it really doeshelp someone to come more truthfully to grips66400:50:21.250 --> 00:50:27.199with what they're doing. And onceyou have delivered that message, then your66500:50:27.360 --> 00:50:38.030responsibility before God and for that childhas has been properly done and now it's66600:50:38.030 --> 00:50:45.309up to God and that woman andand you are absolved of the guilt of66700:50:45.429 --> 00:50:49.789that child's blood. Yeah, absolutelywe're called to speak the truth. Yeah,66800:50:49.949 --> 00:50:52.179of course we're called to speak thetruth. In love, right.66900:50:52.380 --> 00:50:59.340We're called to speak the truth andand let the Lord apply that Truth and67000:50:59.380 --> 00:51:01.980let the Lord in the heart ofthat mother change her heart and change her67100:51:02.019 --> 00:51:07.610mind. And so, guys,this has been a heavy subject. This67200:51:07.769 --> 00:51:09.130is not one of those podcasts whereyou end and it's like, you know,67300:51:09.210 --> 00:51:14.409I'll joy and great, great stuffand great feelings. Right, there's67400:51:14.409 --> 00:51:17.489a heaviness and there should be aheaviness. But we hope that this podcast67500:51:17.679 --> 00:51:22.280has been equipping for you, guys, and we hope that you've been challenged67600:51:22.920 --> 00:51:27.679to to be able to share thetruth of what abortion does to those precious67700:51:27.719 --> 00:51:31.989little babies with the MOMS, withthe dad's when appropriate, and so we67800:51:32.269 --> 00:51:37.510love for you guys to take advantage. We mentioned a few articles and a67900:51:37.670 --> 00:51:43.110few videos. I would just setaside sometime, guys, and do your68000:51:43.150 --> 00:51:45.869due diligence and study this subject matter, even as difficult as it might be,68100:51:45.949 --> 00:51:51.420be praying through the whole thing andletting God minister to your heart,68200:51:51.460 --> 00:51:53.780because this is this is heavy stuffto be to be watching and to be68300:51:53.900 --> 00:51:58.179listening to, but I do thinkit's worth it. To be informed of68400:51:58.260 --> 00:52:01.969what's going on inside of those placesof death and even to have it your68500:52:02.690 --> 00:52:07.730your fingertips. The videos to showthe women going into the abortion center when68600:52:07.769 --> 00:52:10.690appropriate. Yeah, but again,we hope this is equipping you, guys.68700:52:10.730 --> 00:52:14.050We encourage you. Guys. Pleasereach out to us if you have68800:52:14.170 --> 00:52:16.880questions other subjects she's like for usto cover. You can reach me at68900:52:16.880 --> 00:52:22.119Daniel at love life dot org,reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org.69000:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.440We love to talk with you theemail and answer any questions, encourage69100:52:25.440 --> 00:52:29.920you as much as we were ableto, and with that will wrap this69200:52:30.030 --> 00:52:36.710thing up and until next time,God bless God, bless y'all. Give69300:52:36.869 --> 00:52:49.699me our love for love, giveme our love for gratitude. I know69400:52:50.059 --> 00:52:59.050it will cost me my life.Nothing's too precious, and some that you