April 7, 2022

What Makes Great Leaders

What Makes Great Leaders

In order for a ministry to be healthy it needs good leaders. Especially in sidewalk ministry, we need people who are strong and yet humble as leaders . In this episode, we talk through some of the things that make great leaders and how we can grow as leaders ourselves.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.640 If we're ever going to be the type of leader that goddess calling us to 2 00:00:03.640 --> 00:00:10.400 be, we must follow him. And to follow him, to follow Jesus, 3 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.800 is to follow the way of humility, and so many of these points 4 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:20.000 that we're going to talk about require humility. I Am Yours, I am 5 00:00:20.079 --> 00:00:25.960 yours, I am yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I 6 00:00:25.960 --> 00:00:31.160 am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast 7 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:36.799 designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always 8 00:00:36.799 --> 00:00:44.799 with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish touch 9 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:55.560 your heart. Use Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate 10 00:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.159 you guys joining us and, as always, would appreciate if you guys would 11 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.560 share this podcast episode with others that you think it would be a blessing too. 12 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.280 And just to introduce myself. We've tried to introduce ourselves in the last 13 00:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.359 several podcast just so guys, who are you? Guys who are new to 14 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.560 this podcast know who we are. My name is Daniel Parks. I'm the 15 00:01:14.560 --> 00:01:19.239 West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life. So oversee our ministry, various aspects 16 00:01:19.280 --> 00:01:26.280 of our ministry on the West Coast and I'm joined often times, almost always, 17 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.640 by Vicky Cassie Org. Introduce yourself real quick. Hey there, I'm 18 00:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.560 a sidewalk missionary here in Charlotte. have been doing that for about nine years 19 00:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.840 and been doing these podcasts for Daniel about two years. Yeah, right, 20 00:01:36.920 --> 00:01:41.959 yeah, and these podcasts are focused really on there's a there's a lot to 21 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.920 the ministry that love life does. Has To do with prayer walks, as 22 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.680 you guys, if you've seen on social media, you've seen we do prayer 23 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.760 walks and we engage with churches. Are Mission of visions, unite and mobilize 24 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.079 the church, create a culture of love and life that results in into abortion 25 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.599 in the orphan crisis. That's our heart as a ministry. But there's various 26 00:01:59.640 --> 00:02:04.560 aspects of this ministry and one of the most important aspects of this ministry is 27 00:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.920 the sidewalk outreach aspect. That's my heart, that's where I got started in 28 00:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.800 pro life ministry. That's Vicky's heart, and so we bring these episodes to 29 00:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.680 help encourage and equip people who are doing sidewalk ministry and most of our episodes 30 00:02:15.719 --> 00:02:22.680 are focused really particularly on the sidewalk ministry at abortion centers. Right, and 31 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.800 we do divert from that from time to time and talk about other things, 32 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.800 but I mean almost always it serves those who are on the sidewalk. If 33 00:02:30.919 --> 00:02:36.080 we're covering other subjects that don't particularly pertain to the sidewalk, right, and 34 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:40.360 whereas this subject that we're going to cover really maybe doesn't particularly pertain to the 35 00:02:40.400 --> 00:02:46.120 sidewalk. In a sense it does, yeah, but it could pertain to 36 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.360 any kind of ministry, but we're going to be talking about it in light 37 00:02:50.400 --> 00:02:57.000 of sidewalk ministry being at the abortion centers, and that is what makes great 38 00:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.479 leaders. Yeah, and you you are going to have to have good leaders 39 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.759 on the sidewalk justice in a side that you definitely and in our facility or 40 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.199 in our city, we have team leads of every sidewalk team. Yeah, 41 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.639 and having team leads that are great leaders can really make or break a team 42 00:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.919 and it can keep volunteers or can scare volunteers the way. So this is 43 00:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.039 a really important topic, I think. Yeah, yeah, I think so. 44 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.879 Yeah. Yeah, and there's various leadership roles that people can have with 45 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.199 the sidewalk ministry but, like you mentioned, one of the main roles isn't 46 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:34.039 just at least how we structure things and have structured things with our sidewalk ministry 47 00:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.719 here in Charlotte, which has been going on, I mean officially, since 48 00:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.960 two thousand and ten, but I've been involved way before that and others have 49 00:03:40.039 --> 00:03:44.080 been as well. But the way that we structure it is that we will 50 00:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.639 have a team lead. We kind of structure our teams. Will have a 51 00:03:47.680 --> 00:03:53.000 Monday morning team in a Monday afternoon team Tom Block of about three hours, 52 00:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.560 and so for the Monday morning team will have a Monday morning team lead right. 53 00:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.400 Monday afternoon team will have a Monday afternoon team leads of one person that 54 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.120 heads up the team and have certain responsibilities. And Yeah, if you've got 55 00:04:03.199 --> 00:04:09.680 good leaders, if you've got good team leads with varying degrees of experience and 56 00:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.199 leadership and varying degrees of giftings and callings, but at the end of the 57 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.040 day, if they're good leaders, you can build a good team around good 58 00:04:16.120 --> 00:04:20.560 leaders. Right. And I would say to there's some other leadership aspects with 59 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.480 the Sidewalk Ministry, some dynamics that are maybe a little different than Charlotte that 60 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.839 work out in other cities where we'll have like one person that sort of oversees 61 00:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.519 the sidewalk ministry at one particular abortion center. That person is raising up those 62 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.360 team leads that we talked about. So I won't get to into the nitty 63 00:04:38.399 --> 00:04:44.120 gritty of the structure and all that other stuff, but there are various structures 64 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.920 and because of those structures and the need for leaders within those structures, we're 65 00:04:46.920 --> 00:04:51.720 going to talk about what makes great leaders. Write the qualities, yeah, 66 00:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.759 that that make a great leader. And I'll tell you. Daniel had me 67 00:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.279 read this article about team leaders and and I pretty much sure out the article. 68 00:05:01.319 --> 00:05:06.079 Since I am a leader in in our sidewalk ministry, I would just 69 00:05:06.120 --> 00:05:14.079 say Oho out right because I think every area could I could certainly improve upon. 70 00:05:14.120 --> 00:05:15.560 So I think it's really helpful. I do think it's helpful if you've 71 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.240 been a leader a long time or short time. I think these these why 72 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.920 might might be useful for all of us to think about. Yeah, and 73 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.800 definitely like just realize as we go through these things, maybe there's some deficiencies 74 00:05:27.839 --> 00:05:31.439 in your leadership. Those who are listening or us who are talking right, 75 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:36.600 definitely some deficiencies. You're never going to be the perfect leader until you become 76 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.480 exactly like Jesus exactly. You're not going to become exactly like Jesus. We 77 00:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.839 all can work on certain things and so don't let that, which God intends 78 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.040 to be an encouragement and to challenge you, be a discouragement. If there's 79 00:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.839 some areas where you need to grow in your leadership, then take these things. 80 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.560 I mean that's part of kind of being a good leaders being able to 81 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.560 take criticism. Yeah, and being able to take what you hear. That's 82 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.920 actually one of the points here that we're going to touch on in just a 83 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:11.519 minute. Well, what you hear as criticisms and examine yourself. Sometimes criticisms 84 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.079 that come from other people are just that. They're just criticism, just people 85 00:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.000 being critical. Sometimes there's some truth to it. Sometimes people just want to 86 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.439 point the finger and say you're a bad leader because they're frustrated or whatever. 87 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.160 Reality is, they're a bad follower. Right, right, often times. 88 00:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.720 And Yeah, that is definitely one of them that will get to, but 89 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.000 maybe we should have it the first one. Well, let me say this 90 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.120 first, because this article came from and it came from a Google search for 91 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.199 me actually. I was just looking at some leadership articles and things like that 92 00:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.639 and this article came as Scott Hagen. I don't know who the guy is, 93 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.000 right, but it came up in Google. I started reading the articles, 94 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.240 like man, this is phenomenal. Yeah, and so I think in 95 00:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.319 so you wrote an article based on this. Right, all right, just 96 00:06:54.399 --> 00:06:58.680 to kind of make it more crafted towards sidewalk ministry. Yeah, but I 97 00:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.560 think you list or you link the article within using the article at the end 98 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:05.000 of the art of this article that I wrote that will be putting out on 99 00:07:05.040 --> 00:07:08.600 sidewalks for life. Okay, yeah, I agree with you. I thought 100 00:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.279 it was it was really good and there were some various obvious connections with what 101 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.279 we do on the sidewalk. I thought, yeah, yeah, no doubt. 102 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:20.160 And so he's got some kind of subheadings or whatever that we're going to 103 00:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.319 go through. And Yeah, had seven guiding principles, I think, of 104 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.839 good leadership. But I'm going to add an eighth. I started out, 105 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.639 okay, we're starting with number eight. We're going to start art with number 106 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.480 eight. Okay, we'll start with number one and will bump all the other 107 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.120 ones down. Okay, three, four, five, six, seven, 108 00:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.279 because a good leader has the privilege to do that. If you exacts. 109 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.240 Yes, so I can do that. Yeah, because I'm not a I'm 110 00:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.600 not a good leader greatly. I guess I'm decent, but I'm a leader 111 00:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.160 that's learning some stuff. Okay, okay, good. And the most important 112 00:07:50.199 --> 00:07:56.160 principle that I have learned in leadership is this. Okay, John Maxwell, 113 00:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.600 he's a great leadership guru. Read a book by Him. Yeah, he 114 00:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.160 probably needs to write a book about this and give me some royalties for it. 115 00:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.639 He might have already written a book about it. Anyway. The first 116 00:08:05.639 --> 00:08:13.959 principles is the best leaders are good followers. The best later yeah, are 117 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.720 good follower. But you know what, that is kind of my final point 118 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.920 in the in this article. Okay, and we're gonna so. So can 119 00:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.240 we hold off on it? It's a real unless we want to talk about 120 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.279 it right now because it kind of spoils the article. But we can move 121 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.240 to the end of the article. Because who was the best leader? Who 122 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.120 was the best follower and showed his followers, yeah, how to lead by 123 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.960 following. Yeah, yeah, Jesus is the best leader. That's right. 124 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.840 And of course he said he only did what he saw his father do. 125 00:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.799 Yeah, he followed, he followed the will of his father, and so 126 00:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.360 I will say in this is kind of why I say that, and we 127 00:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.399 can talk more about it at the end. That's why I don't want to 128 00:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.200 spoil what you have. Yeah, but the best leaders are good followers. 129 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.360 Yeah, we have. If we're ever going to be the type of leader 130 00:09:03.399 --> 00:09:09.120 that God is calling us to be, we must follow him. And to 131 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.320 follow him, to follow Jesus, is to follow the way of humility. 132 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.200 And so many of these points that we're going to talk about require humility. 133 00:09:18.240 --> 00:09:24.039 Okay, absolutely, and you humility is practically the word. Means to get 134 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.639 low, right, but we know emotionally that's to not let ourselves be chief. 135 00:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.519 Our opinions are concerns. What? What concerns us? What affects us, 136 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.720 to be the main thing, right, we've got to be good followers 137 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.200 of Jesus. And what did Jesus do? He laid his life down, 138 00:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.799 right, he laid his life down for the sake of others. In matter 139 00:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.799 of fact, Jesus said, if you're going to follow me, you got 140 00:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.759 to take up your cross, right, if you're going to be my disciple, 141 00:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.639 if you're going to be discipline in my ways, you got to take 142 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.240 up across. So that's painful. So the best leaders are good followers. 143 00:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.279 And leadership is painful. Okay, it's painstaking sometimes, but there's also rewards 144 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.279 in it. So let's jump into our first kind of point here, okay, 145 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:16.360 and the first point is great leaders pay attention. Poor leaders seek attention. 146 00:10:16.720 --> 00:10:18.000 I thought that was such a great line. Yeah, and it is 147 00:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.960 so true, because I was thinking in my own life about the people that 148 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.200 I am most willing to follow, and they are not the ones that just 149 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.320 want to take all the credit. Yeah, they're the ones that spread the 150 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:37.120 credit around. And and our humble again, at the at the root of 151 00:10:37.200 --> 00:10:43.080 this one is humility. Right. Pride is the mother of US sin. 152 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.240 Yeah, and when we're prideful as when we're the one seeking attention. Yeah, 153 00:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.480 and so the great leaders, I love that. They pay attention. 154 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.080 I just started really thinking about that, right. Yeah, how does a 155 00:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.639 great leader pay attention? What's he paying attention to? Yeah, and so 156 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.120 you guys who are leading at a higher level in your city or whatever you're 157 00:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.120 doing, you're going to try to raise up leaders, like we talked about 158 00:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.600 these team leads or the sidewalk leaders or whatever you know, and you want 159 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.440 to be looking for people a good marker of someone who would be a good 160 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.159 leader for you as someone that pays attention rather than seeks attention. Yeah, 161 00:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.399 they're not always trying to get themselves in the forefront of everything. MEAN, 162 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.799 sometimes they're there, there on the forefront because they have all some testimony and 163 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.320 you know whatever. But really you'll see a good leader in a person that 164 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.000 can be developed into a good leader when you see them complimenting other people, 165 00:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.639 when you see them going out of their way to think other people for what 166 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:45.799 they're doing. Good leaders they pay attention. You can't know the good that 167 00:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.840 other people are doing if you're not paying attention to it, right. And 168 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.679 so the picture would be then, someone who self absorbed the picture that he 169 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.960 gives in this article, I think, as a picture the kind of the 170 00:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.399 contrast between David and Sault. Right. Yeah, is that? Is that 171 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.559 in the article? Yeah, he no, I think that was one of 172 00:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.799 the points that he made talking about that between David and Saul. I don't 173 00:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.240 think I put this at that in the article, but it's it is a 174 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.200 great example that he gave. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so it's 175 00:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.720 like saw, of course he was jealous because David or saw slayses thousands and 176 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.399 David his ten thousands. Right, but David didn't sing that song. It 177 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.320 was the people praising David that David was humble. Yeah, but it's all. 178 00:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.960 Didn't like to hear that there is someone better getting more credit than he 179 00:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.879 was. Yeah, and Saul was a horrible leader. He was. David 180 00:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.799 was a great leader. Now, Yeah, great leaders can stumble. We 181 00:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.120 know they would stumbled. Labor long on that, but if you're looking for 182 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.480 good leaders, look for leaders that pay attention to what others are doing, 183 00:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.360 not just try to get attention for what they're doing. Yeah, yeah, 184 00:12:45.399 --> 00:12:46.519 and then the next one. I don't know if you want to well, 185 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.879 the next one. That's the secret to high capacity leadership is knowing how to 186 00:12:50.879 --> 00:12:58.159 turn personal criticism into personal improvement. And for me, as I he makes 187 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.639 a big point in the article that Hagen wrote about the difference between criticism and 188 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.320 accusation. I think you kind of alluded to that early on and that, 189 00:13:07.519 --> 00:13:13.720 but they're almost every criticism that you're going to hear almost every time. Is 190 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.120 it has a kernel of truth. Yeah, it may have been exaggerated and 191 00:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.039 it may be phrased in an attacking way, which is I think when we're 192 00:13:20.120 --> 00:13:26.000 least able to hear it. Right, but if, rather than becoming defensive, 193 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.000 were able to discern the truth in whatever that criticism was, we can 194 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.559 grow from that. All of us can need improvement and we're not perfect, 195 00:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.919 like you said, we're not. We're not home yet, we're not with 196 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:46.000 Jesus, we're not Jesus. Yeah, so learning to take criticism and learn 197 00:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.639 from it. Yeah, and let me say that this is an important principle 198 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:56.039 of the Christian life. It is people are imperfect. Right, you're imperfect. 199 00:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.039 That's why you should be able to receive criticism. People are imperfect. 200 00:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.240 WHO GIVE CRITIQUES OR CRITICISM? Maybe they're trying their best to give constructive criticism. 201 00:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.320 Yeah, but it seems like accusation. Right, at the end of 202 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.919 the day, you're not going to stand before them, you're not going to 203 00:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.039 stand before me, you're going to stand before God. Right, you're going 204 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.440 to stand before him, and his criticisms are always accurate and they're not accusations. 205 00:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.279 Necessarily, when God brings a truth to us, that we have a 206 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.879 confrontation with truth and he wants us to change, he does it for our 207 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:37.159 good because he loves us. But he oftentime does this thing, bringing criticism, 208 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:43.120 bringing the truth to us. We have a confrontation of with truth through 209 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.480 other people, through imperfect people, so people. God may have put it 210 00:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.159 in someone's heart to address you on an issue where you are not doing so 211 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.720 well. Yeah, and they deliver it imperfectly. That's why, anytime someone 212 00:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.720 brings criticism to you, your attitude has to be one of reception, like 213 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.919 if you're attitude when someone brings criticism immediately is one of self defense and things 214 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.759 like that, you've got to check your heart just you don't have to respond. 215 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.360 Here's the thing. When someone brings a criticism, some of these says, 216 00:15:15.559 --> 00:15:16.399 you know, so I need to talk to you about this, I 217 00:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.919 need to talk to you about something. Of course, when that you know, 218 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.879 we know that feeling right. That's words. All right. What is 219 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.399 it? Let's I've learned, by God's grace, to have my ear open 220 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.759 and if it's something about me, to take it to not I don't have 221 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.919 to respond immediately. I can say, let me think about that. Yeah, 222 00:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.559 let me think about what you're saying, even maybe write it down if 223 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.759 they have a criticism, rather than to defend myself, because if you are 224 00:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.679 your defender. You got a horrible defender. But if you let the Lord 225 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.200 be your defender. So if some of this stuff is criticism that is accurate 226 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.600 in some of its accusation, let God sort through all of that stuff. 227 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:56.919 Let God be the one that sorts through it, because you're not going to 228 00:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.559 be able to sort through it all anyway. So, anyway, I'll just 229 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:07.600 kind of echo this this this point. The secret to high capacity of leadership 230 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.919 is knowing how to turn personal criticism into personal improvement. Like you said, 231 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.399 there can be a kernel of truth, apply what's good, eat the meats 232 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.960 bit out the bay, if you have to, right exactly, and I 233 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:23.919 think that's a sign of maturity as as a leader. Immature people tend to 234 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.600 want to justify why they're doing what they're doing. That you have just pointed 235 00:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.679 out to yeah, a mature people, I think, are more able to 236 00:16:33.120 --> 00:16:38.480 just take it in and and learn from what the lesson is and let the 237 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:44.159 other just pass them by. Yeah, and listen, have to acknowledge we 238 00:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.919 need the grace of God to do this. Yeah, right, so criticism 239 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.200 hurts, especially when you're pouring yourself into ministry and you think you're doing the 240 00:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.200 you're doing the best you can. You think you're doing a good job and 241 00:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.440 somebody comes along basically says you're not doing a good job. You internalaws that 242 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.519 and you make it in your mind and your heart kind of reflect on who 243 00:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.680 you are. But listen, you are if you're a child of God, 244 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.240 you belong to the king of Kings, the Lord of Lords, as his 245 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.640 daughter, as his son. Right, and all the criticisms that can come 246 00:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.039 nothing can change that. Right, if you're in Christ, none of the 247 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.279 criticisms change that. The foundation of who you are does not rest in the 248 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.519 opinions of others, but it rests in the truth of God's words. So 249 00:17:27.680 --> 00:17:36.039 the opinions and criticisms of others can be used by the Lord to to strengthen 250 00:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.160 your trust, in your resolve in in God. So let them do that 251 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.160 rather than to shake you from your trust in the yeah, yes, that's 252 00:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.759 a really good one. Yeah, the next one that Hagen brought up is 253 00:17:45.839 --> 00:17:52.440 it's not what you achieve, it's what you set in motion. Yeah, 254 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.319 and for me, as I read that, I was trying to think, 255 00:17:55.319 --> 00:17:59.400 okay, exactly what does he mean and how could I apply that? Yeah, 256 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.799 to to the sidewalk, and we tell people all the time. We've 257 00:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.160 said it so many times on this podcast. So much of what we do 258 00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.359 is planting seats. Your planting seats, and that's kind of, I think, 259 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.759 what this author was saying. Yeah, that it. You may not 260 00:18:15.920 --> 00:18:22.960 see what you have achieved ultimately, right, you may only see that a 261 00:18:23.039 --> 00:18:29.160 seed has been planted and that you can trust it's growing. Right, that's 262 00:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.920 what seeds do. Sure, yeah, so, yeah, yeah. Well, 263 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.680 so that's along this train of thought. Are practical outreach at the abortion 264 00:18:38.720 --> 00:18:45.440 centers that were planting seats. But also in this train of thought is kind 265 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.559 of the idea that you're not just out there to be a leader yourself, 266 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.960 but you're out there and you're in this ministry to train up other leaders. 267 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.680 Yeah, so you're not just doing the work with your own hands and laboring 268 00:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.599 and laboring and laboring by yourself, but some of the things you're setting in 269 00:19:00.680 --> 00:19:07.200 motion is the people who you train up after you that can take the banner 270 00:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.440 and run with it. Right. So sometimes there can almost be a sense 271 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.839 of jealousy if you've been involved in a ministry for a long time and other 272 00:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.359 people God raises up other people and God uses you to help raise up other 273 00:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.279 people and they run, they run farther with it than you do or they 274 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.720 take it maybe to another level than you had. You can always be Jut 275 00:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.920 us, right, you can almost be jealous us, yeah, but the 276 00:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.119 reality is like you're a part of that, like you set that emotion. 277 00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:38.359 That same dynamic is played out here in Charlotte where it started out with well, 278 00:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.559 with flip flip, been him here in Charlotte plowing the ground and pro 279 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.640 life ministry at the abortion centers, and then his son's start cities for life 280 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.480 and start that ministry and it moves forward and then they put me in as 281 00:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.559 the leader and then you know, I'm trying my best to take it to 282 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.240 the next level and seeing some growth, and then love life comes aloong and 283 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.680 takes things to the next level. You know, there was some temptation in 284 00:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.119 me to be a little jealous, like, okay, we never were able 285 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.119 to get churches on board, like love life is what's going on here right, 286 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:14.000 what's going on with this thing? A little bit of jealousy. But 287 00:20:14.119 --> 00:20:18.160 by God's grace I took the attitude of let let Jesus increase and let cities 288 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.000 for life, let me let any other thing decrease. Like, if this 289 00:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.119 is what God's doing, then you do it, Lord, and I'm on 290 00:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.319 board with it, you know. And that takes an attitude of humility. 291 00:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.559 Yeah, and it takes me remembering it's not just the things that I do 292 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.319 daytoday, but it's the things that, by God's grace, I've helped set 293 00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.400 in motion. The same for you, Vicky. Yeah, you've trained up 294 00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:44.640 people after you who are who are running with this thing. You've been involved 295 00:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.359 in some of our boot camp trainees that we do here in Charlotte. You 296 00:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.720 think about what you get to see. You've poured into some younger people. 297 00:20:49.759 --> 00:20:53.519 I think of Jenna, who we interviewed on this podcast some time ago, 298 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.400 he who's in Rowan Oak, who's like she's like a mini Vicky, you 299 00:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.200 know, or even like Veronica, who's you're serving, and others. You 300 00:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.039 know, I can't name all the names of people that you've poured into, 301 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.920 that we've poured into here that are doing the sidewalk ministry. Yeah, right, 302 00:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.680 and so we've set some things in motion there that you know, it's 303 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.200 not something really we achieved in the sense, but God used us to set 304 00:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.160 some things emotions. Is a couple aspects of this point. Well, that's 305 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:23.359 a great point, because I do often look at the teams that largely our 306 00:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.960 teams are have been trained by me, yeah, or by you, and 307 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480 there are some old timers there that were there before I was, but not 308 00:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.720 many. And and I look at them as my children. It's like a 309 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:41.279 hen looking at her little chicks and thinking wow, they're they're growing up and 310 00:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.519 they're they're doing so well in there. I think to have pride in that 311 00:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.119 is a good thing. That because that that's where God would, I think, 312 00:21:49.200 --> 00:21:56.640 have us be rejoicing that, you know. And so god God did 313 00:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.960 that with with, what's it Moses or with Abraham? I think it was 314 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.480 Moses, where, you know, Abraham is overwhelmed by by I'm sorry, 315 00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.799 Moses is overwhelmed with what he's facing. He can't, he can't do this 316 00:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.279 alone. And and God raises up other yeah, well, that his father 317 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.160 in Long Jeff threw, actually told him that you're going to burn yourself out 318 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.200 trying to do all this. Actually, and a lot of sidewalk people, 319 00:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.200 people with the heart to serve out there, yeah, could fall into the 320 00:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.319 trap of burning themselves out because there's not there's not other people to do this 321 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.279 thing. Yeah, and so I'll say with this your time. So certainly 322 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.039 out there on the sidewalk is important. Babies are dying. Somebody needs to 323 00:22:33.039 --> 00:22:38.039 be there. But if you can spend one hour pouring into five people that 324 00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.240 you can kind of set in motion to do this thing, you would be 325 00:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.400 better than spending three hours on the sidewalks. That makes sense. It does, 326 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:52.079 because you're multiplying through. It's no longer you alone. Yeah, you 327 00:22:52.119 --> 00:22:56.720 are. Ultimately. It's a lot of work in the beginning, but ultimately 328 00:22:56.000 --> 00:23:03.039 they will be released to carry on and even expand. Yeah, upon what 329 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.039 what you've been able to do. So that was a really good one, 330 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.400 I thought, because there is the tendency for, I think, all of 331 00:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.400 us, when we get overwhelmed, to feel where I'm all alone in this, 332 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.599 right, and maybe we're all alone in this because we haven't poured into 333 00:23:17.680 --> 00:23:23.400 others enough and and set into motion the people that will carry it on, 334 00:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.359 because we will all not be here forever. Yeah, yeah, so sadly. 335 00:23:27.839 --> 00:23:37.480 So. One that really resonated with me insecurity will emotionally rearrange everything you 336 00:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.240 see and here as a leader, right, and I think that relates very, 337 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.400 very much so to some of the things we've already said, like how 338 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:52.759 you take criticism, yes, or how you handle watching others take your banner 339 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.160 and run and do better than you. Yeah, but you can really if 340 00:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.160 you're looking through the eyes of insecurity as a leader, it can be toxic. 341 00:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.119 Yeah, you can look at everyone in the most negative light. And 342 00:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.279 I can remember you saying many times to me, me, Daniel, assume 343 00:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.920 the best. Yeah, in people. Now, sometimes, when you have 344 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:22.400 assumed the best, it's inaccurate. Yeah, but it's still it's an attitude 345 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.400 that I think is good to cultivate. Assume the best and you are much 346 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:33.839 less likely to find evil where it really never was. Yeah, but out 347 00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:41.200 of your insecurity you're seeing things that you shouldn't be seeing. Yeah, the 348 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.000 devil does a very good job of building a case against people, right, 349 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.559 and against organizations, churches or whatever, in the minds of people who are 350 00:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.319 insecure. Yeah, and in the minds of people who are secure, by 351 00:24:56.319 --> 00:24:57.759 the way, let me let me tell you. The devil is the accuser 352 00:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.319 of the brethren. Yeah, yeah, and so he's going to accuse you. 353 00:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.400 He's the devil. I've seen it so often. I've seen it in 354 00:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.240 my life. Is Seen in the laws of others, where the devil will 355 00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:12.440 line things up just so, just in just the right way, where someone 356 00:25:12.519 --> 00:25:17.519 ignoring you at church, or at least what you think is ignoring you at 357 00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.160 Church, and and and you feel like, okay, I've encountered them three 358 00:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.079 times at Church and they had me, an acknowledge me and we're friends and 359 00:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.839 they haven't said hey to me right, and you're thinking, what, they 360 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.759 hate me and you build this whole case against them. Well, they hate 361 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.960 me, and so, yeah, I don't have a reason to like them 362 00:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.960 either. You can start to build a case when meanwhile what's happening behind the 363 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.200 scenes is each time they passed by you, one time they're their kid was 364 00:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.440 throwing up and they're running past you to the bathroom. Another time you know 365 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.119 the accident happened. Other time they get an emergency phone call. You know 366 00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.440 what I'm saying? Like the devil can Lee that stuff up. So you 367 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:55.000 have to. In this takes some very, very disciplined thinking and being very 368 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.680 surrendered to the Lord. In this you have to believe the best about your 369 00:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.920 brothers and sisters in the Lord. Right, you don't have an option. 370 00:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.240 You do not have the option. Yeah, to believe the worst about your 371 00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.200 brothers and sisters in Christ and unless you're proven wrong, and less you're pretty 372 00:26:10.279 --> 00:26:15.200 wrong, then you can reassess, but your initial assessment should be one of 373 00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.200 the people that came to mind to me Biblically, and what I thought about 374 00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:23.759 is what I see with insecure leaders is they will seek to control. Yeah, 375 00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.000 and they become tyrants. Right, and the story in the Bible of 376 00:26:27.039 --> 00:26:32.359 Re Habom, I'm hope I'm pronouncing his name right. He became king as 377 00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.720 a young man. Asked this this story. By the way. I forget 378 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.559 where it's in it. I'll find the reference. I think it's in the 379 00:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.680 article somewhere. Yeah, but he has first kings. Okay, it's first 380 00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.559 characters. Will okay. So he asks the as at when he comes into 381 00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.279 to become a king as a young man. He goes to the elders, 382 00:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.240 which was appropriate, and says, Hey, how should I lead these people? 383 00:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.000 And they recommend gentleness. But he's an insecure guy. He goes and 384 00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.000 to asks his buddies his age, who say double down, Oh, my 385 00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.359 God father did be even harsher. And it ends up dividing the Kingdom of 386 00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.640 Israel forever. Yeah, so here's an insecure leader who takes the advice of 387 00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:18.279 a bunch of friends, probably is drinking buddies, right, and it and 388 00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:25.240 it, and it does. It doesn't go well at Allso tyrants, I 389 00:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.640 think, are people that are very insecure. Yeah, and they seek to 390 00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:36.839 control through a very inappropriate way. Yeah, yeah, yet leadership is well, 391 00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.759 John Maxwell, he's the leadership gurule. Yeah, says leadership is influence, 392 00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.519 nothing more and nothing less. Yeah, which is true. But if 393 00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.359 you think about leadership in the context, especially what we're talking about, is 394 00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.640 its relational influence. Like, leadership is relationship. Sure, we're building relationships 395 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.240 now, at the end of the day, as leaders, we have to 396 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.119 make certain decisions and we have to say, well, this, this is 397 00:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.920 not going to be the way that it is. This is going to be 398 00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.519 the way that it is. We have to make those decisions from time to 399 00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:08.599 time. Yeah, but most of the time we can make good decisions in 400 00:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.559 relationship with the people that we're leading and they can actually help inform our decisions. 401 00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.640 Right, we want to bring them along, right, but, yeah, 402 00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.359 if we're insecure, we can't do that. If we're insecure, we 403 00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:25.519 almost like sometimes an insecure leader. They're affected by those of their leading in 404 00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.039 such a way that where they coured down in a corner, right, and 405 00:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.160 so they don't want to lead and then they a pendulum swing the other direction 406 00:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.160 because of their insecurities and they lead like a tyrant. So either you're you 407 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.920 know, you're a puppy dog in the corner is afraid, or you're a 408 00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.640 tyrant. It's a good leadership is very balanced in its security. And so 409 00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:47.680 if you're insecure, if you see some insecurities in your leadership, bring it 410 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.240 to the Lord. Ask Him to help you to be secure. You got 411 00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:55.759 to be first and formally secure in who you are in Christ and then secure 412 00:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.160 in your calling. Are you really called to this thing? And quite likely 413 00:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.920 you are. If you're in this ministry, you're called to it. You 414 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.240 didn't step into it in the flesh, probably, and so if you called 415 00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.880 to it and you're in Christ, then that's the foundation of your security. 416 00:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.119 Again, your relationship with him, and ask the Lord to help you to 417 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.039 build on that foundation. Right. Right, I love the next one because 418 00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.799 this one was what gave me hope. Right, the leadership happens over time, 419 00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.400 not overnight. Yeah, and I will tell you when I first stepped 420 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:32.079 into leadership rolls. Yes, I really struggled and I'm sure every one of 421 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.039 these areas and still do in some of these areas. But there's hope. 422 00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.599 If you are a good leader and you're following God as your ultimate leader, 423 00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.880 he will help you to develop these skills that you need to be the best 424 00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.839 leader. Yeah, that you can be it. It does. It does 425 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.359 take time and we see that throughout the Bible with all the great leaders of 426 00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.160 the Bible. Yeah, they developed over time. You know, Moses started 427 00:29:59.200 --> 00:30:04.079 off by killing, killing a fellow Egypt sure, killing the the man who 428 00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.480 killed a fellow Egyptian. And then but he or a fellow Hebrew. But 429 00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.279 then I forget the story, but you know what I mean. He killed 430 00:30:11.319 --> 00:30:18.599 an Egyptian taskmaster, right, it was disciplining one of his Hebrew Andros and 431 00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.960 you know, and that was probably not the you know, the most appropriate 432 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.799 response for him to take bit through as a leader and and and all of 433 00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:32.960 us can yeah, and absolutely, and that will not happen unless you put 434 00:30:33.079 --> 00:30:38.839 some work. Listen, ministries work, leadership is work. Relationships take work. 435 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:44.599 Yeah, I don't mean like works based salvation or anything like that, 436 00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.759 but if you're going to grow in your leadership. You're going to have to 437 00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.119 put some work into it. Yeah, you're you need to read leadership books 438 00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.640 and there's a lot of them. I've mentioned John Maxwell. He's got a 439 00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.839 book called developing the leader within you. We actually went through it together through 440 00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.559 that. It's a great book and there's some other podcast now all of this 441 00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.000 stuff. Some some of John Maxwell stuff like I have to eat the meat 442 00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.519 and spit out the bones. Yeah, there's some things where I'm like, 443 00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.680 yeah, I don't know about that and seem so biblical. I could be 444 00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.839 wrong. I'm at least smart enough to know that guy's been walking with God 445 00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.759 longer and I could be wrong in him right. So if there's things you 446 00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.319 need to sort through with some of his stuff, or like Craig grow Shell 447 00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.599 has a leadership podcast which has been awesome to me. There's some stuff in 448 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.240 it it's a little like, and I don't know he's speaking to business man 449 00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.400 and not really speaking to the ministry leaders, but for the most part it's 450 00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.759 like meat, you know. Yeah, so you've got to put some work 451 00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:42.519 into personal development and growing as a leader. Of course putting work into cultivating 452 00:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.519 your relationship with Jesus and prayer and, in this word, right fellowship with 453 00:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.000 other believers. But it doesn't happen overnight. Yeah, and so stick with 454 00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.759 it. If you guys need some suggestions for good leadership books to listen to 455 00:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.960 or to read, I do a lot of listening. I listen to a 456 00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.559 lot of PODCASTS, yeah, and listen to a lot of books that I 457 00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.559 would be more than willing to shoot those along. I think getting a hold 458 00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.480 of this article would be great. Listen to this podcast maybe as a good 459 00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.400 first step. But let's jump into our next couple of points. We've got 460 00:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.640 just a few minutes, or actually a little overtime. Yeah, and so 461 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.359 let's try to knock these couple last couple of points out. Yeah. Well, 462 00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.839 the next one making complex things simple. Yeah, and that's the role 463 00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.640 of a leader, not to make simple things complex. There are so many 464 00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.400 times, just at this point is a little bit obvious, but there are 465 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.359 so many times when I will read an article and I'll think, Gosh, 466 00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.759 this guy is really well well acclaimed and this is obviously such a smart guy 467 00:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.880 and I don't understand a word of what he said. And I know I'm 468 00:32:44.079 --> 00:32:49.200 I'm not a dumb person. So but if I can't understand the depth of 469 00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:54.079 his thought. He probably should have made it easier, yeah, to understand, 470 00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.759 and good leaders will do that. They should not be out just to 471 00:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.559 impress you with all the big words that can use. Yeah, yeah, 472 00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.119 yeah, and you know, as it pertains to like processes, and we 473 00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.480 talked a couple of weeks ago about some strategy, some sidewalk strategies and things 474 00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.240 like that. Right, you know, we tried our best to kind of 475 00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.519 break those down and make those pretty, pretty simple. It's not. It's 476 00:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.519 not rocket surgery. That's when that said. Right, right. And so 477 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.440 being intentional about the way that you communicate certain things if there are certain things 478 00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.119 that need to be a certain way, for example, if you're leading a 479 00:33:30.160 --> 00:33:36.200 team, a sidewalk team, and there's a they're not doing so great a 480 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.119 job at passing out literature and there's some things that they need to do to 481 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.319 improve it. Yeah, don't be super complex and what you're saying be very 482 00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.599 simple and to the point and just say hey, you know, if you 483 00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.279 stand here and you look that way and you smile in your way, in 484 00:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.240 your wave, it's going to be more effective. Rather than trying to break 485 00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.799 down the psychology of the whole thing. Just make it, make it simple. 486 00:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.000 Yeah, in a way to make complex things simple that I've learned is 487 00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.799 with analogies. Yeah, right, yea, with analogies. Yeah, there's 488 00:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.320 actually some complexity, believe it or not, to holding signs at an abortion 489 00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.280 center. MMM, you know that? Yes, because I've heard that. 490 00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.280 I've listened to this podcast. Yes, there's some complexities to it. There's 491 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.719 some things that you can do to make it more effective and there's some good 492 00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.320 psychological reasons why you do those. Right, right, but what I do 493 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.559 to help when I'm training people to hold signs is I give them analogy. 494 00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.559 Hey, you know there's there's these companies like sweet frog. Right, Elijah, 495 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.719 one of our guys here locally, he he actually runs a sweet frog, 496 00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.360 yeah, as well as does sidewalk ministry, but we see him. 497 00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.199 And there's other businesses, mattress companies and stuff, where they literally hire someone 498 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.239 to hold a sign out front. Right. Why do they do that? 499 00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.400 Why do they pay someone like, I don't know, ten, twelve bucks 500 00:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.000 an hour or something like that to hold a sign out front? Because they 501 00:34:53.079 --> 00:34:59.920 know that people will engage with a message that's associated with another person than a 502 00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.000 message that's just stuck in the ground or on a billboard. Right, right, 503 00:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.280 that's an analogy. And so why would I hold a sign in front 504 00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.679 of the abortion center when I could just prop it up or whatever? Yeah, 505 00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.239 it's because people will engage with people, right, and so I help 506 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.920 to make that complex thing right instead of, you know, you need to 507 00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.239 not put this sign on that and so maybe I'm making it a little too 508 00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.480 complex. There's different ways. You can use signage and you can prop them 509 00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.719 up and got I'll use that, but there's a more more excellent way, 510 00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.800 there's a more effective way, depending on, you know, the the manpower 511 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.760 that you have. What I'm trying to say is use analogies to help people 512 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.400 connect with whether it's whatever it has to do with, whether that's the way 513 00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.400 that they arrange their team, the way that they lead their team, the 514 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.639 way that they hand out literature, the way that they hold up signs, 515 00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.840 whatever it is. I think helping people with analogies really helps him connect with 516 00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.280 with certain truths and get them on board. Jesus used it with the parables. 517 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.360 Yeah, but I want to get back to what we started with, 518 00:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.840 okay, that the best leader is is a servant and the the parable that 519 00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.239 that I thought of parable a story to hear make this complex thought simple. 520 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.280 Okay, Jesus use the parable some time. Is when he washes the feet 521 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.239 of the disciples. And in John Thirteen, I think that's such a beautiful 522 00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:21.360 picture and and in fact he actually says, you call me teacher and Lord, 523 00:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.239 and you are right. So he is teaching them, he is he 524 00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:32.360 is leading them and he teaches and leads them by showing them that I if 525 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.159 I then the Lord and the teacher washed your feet, you also ought to 526 00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.079 wash one another's feet. So, yes, I think he's teaching a very 527 00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:45.079 critical point that you raised at the beginning of a true leader gets down and 528 00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.559 does, yeah, what he is telling the others to do. Yeah, 529 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.920 and humbles himself and is serves in in his capacity as leader. so He's 530 00:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.880 our model, right, and I think that passage, just reading and truly 531 00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.320 understanding that passage because a long way, I think, to helping us to 532 00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.960 understand what a great leader looks. Yeah, yeah, everybody wants to be 533 00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.719 a leader, yeah, until they're actually leading. Yeah, and then you 534 00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.320 realize, like, leadership is hard. Yeah. Yeah, I think of 535 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:22.119 James and John. Remember they asked Jesus who? Who of us? Consider 536 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.920 on your right hand, on your left hand? You know, they want 537 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.079 the exalted position. Won't? Because that's what everybody thinks about a leader. 538 00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.480 Oh, he gets all the glory. Yeah, right. They want some 539 00:37:29.559 --> 00:37:34.519 leadership up. Yeah, they want some influence. And you know the reality 540 00:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.719 is Jesus being the best leader. What does his leadership lead him to? 541 00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.159 To Sacrifice? Yeah, to lay his life down for the sake of others. 542 00:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.880 Yeah, leadership take sacrifice. Now, there's rewards in it, there's 543 00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.800 blessings in it, but it's not all fun and Games. The leader really 544 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.360 should be the first one there in the last one to leave. In a 545 00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.320 lot of ways, now you can raise up people, and I get it. 546 00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.199 You raise up team leads. You don't want to burn yourself out unnecessarily, 547 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.719 but especially in the beginning stages of your leadership and Sidewalk Ministry, you 548 00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.440 should be the first one there. Now you should not as a leader, 549 00:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.079 if there's a certain sidewalk time, let's say nine o'clock, is like like 550 00:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.119 we try to get our teams here. Yeah, you should be there before 551 00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.440 nine o'clock. Yep, even if you've got team leads that are heading up 552 00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.880 that particular day. If they know you're going to be there, you should 553 00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.400 be there early, you should be there before they get there and you should 554 00:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.639 encourage them. And you're not there before they get there and you're letting them 555 00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.079 know, Oh, you know, I got here five minutes ago. Guess 556 00:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.119 where you bent? No, you're there. You're there to help lead. 557 00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.840 You're there to really model leadership which is sacrificial. You're not the guy who, 558 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199 when it's so hot outside that you can't bear it, that you decide, 559 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.880 well, I'm actually going to take a break from Sidewalk Ministry today. 560 00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.119 Know, you be intentional and make sure you're out there on the hottest days. 561 00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.440 Yeah, because you want to show your teams that you're a sacrificial leader 562 00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.039 and you're not doing it just to show them that that, but you're doing 563 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.519 that so that they understand that this leader, this person who's leading us, 564 00:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.280 is a good, a sacrificial, a Christ like leader. Now, we're 565 00:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.000 all in perfect in various ways, but ask for the grace of God to 566 00:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.719 do that stuff and be intentional about laying your life down for the sake of 567 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.159 those who are who are under you, and pour into others so that they'll 568 00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:29.920 lead and take it further than you ever could a man man. All right, 569 00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.280 well, guys, we hope this podcast was a blessing to you. 570 00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.159 Went over a little longer than we wanted to. Try to shoot for thirty 571 00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.719 minutes on these just so you guys can consume them. But we're loudly leaders, 572 00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:42.880 but we're learning and we're learning to be better next time after this one. 573 00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.239 Hopefully, hopefully, we'll be better next time. But we hope this 574 00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.159 was a blessing to you, guys. We'd love for you, guys, 575 00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.559 to reach out to us. Let us know, maybe some subjects we can 576 00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.960 cover in the future. Let us know. We've had a few people recently 577 00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:57.239 let us know these podcasts were a blessing. That's encouraging to us. It's 578 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.599 someone that we're yeah, we're pouring out some stuff and hopefully we're rating raising 579 00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.719 up leaders behind us. They can take this thing and run with it, 580 00:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.800 and so certainly you can reach out to us. You can reach me, 581 00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.639 Daniel Love Life Dot Org. You can reach her, Vicki, with a 582 00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.239 why at Love Life Dot Org. 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