What Makes Great Leaders

WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:03.640If we're ever going to be thetype of leader that goddess calling us to200:00:03.640 --> 00:00:10.400be, we must follow him.And to follow him, to follow Jesus,300:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.800is to follow the way of humility, and so many of these points400:00:13.800 --> 00:00:20.000that we're going to talk about requirehumility. I Am Yours, I am500:00:20.079 --> 00:00:25.960yours, I am yours, andme Lord, I am yours, I600:00:25.960 --> 00:00:31.160am yours. I'm welcome to theGospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast700:00:31.239 --> 00:00:36.799designed to equip, encourage and challengeyou in pro life ministry, and always800:00:36.799 --> 00:00:44.799with a focus on the Gospel.Stay tuned. I felt show passish touch900:00:45.240 --> 00:00:55.560your heart. Use Welcome back tothe Gospel centered pro life podcast. Appreciate1000:00:55.560 --> 00:00:59.159you guys joining us and, asalways, would appreciate if you guys would1100:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.560share this podcast episode with others thatyou think it would be a blessing too.1200:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.280And just to introduce myself. We'vetried to introduce ourselves in the last1300:01:07.319 --> 00:01:11.359several podcast just so guys, whoare you? Guys who are new to1400:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.560this podcast know who we are.My name is Daniel Parks. I'm the1500:01:14.560 --> 00:01:19.239West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life. So oversee our ministry, various aspects1600:01:19.280 --> 00:01:26.280of our ministry on the West Coastand I'm joined often times, almost always,1700:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.640by Vicky Cassie Org. Introduce yourselfreal quick. Hey there, I'm1800:01:29.680 --> 00:01:33.560a sidewalk missionary here in Charlotte.have been doing that for about nine years1900:01:33.680 --> 00:01:36.840and been doing these podcasts for Danielabout two years. Yeah, right,2000:01:36.920 --> 00:01:41.959yeah, and these podcasts are focusedreally on there's a there's a lot to2100:01:42.359 --> 00:01:45.920the ministry that love life does.Has To do with prayer walks, as2200:01:45.959 --> 00:01:48.680you guys, if you've seen onsocial media, you've seen we do prayer2300:01:48.680 --> 00:01:52.760walks and we engage with churches.Are Mission of visions, unite and mobilize2400:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.079the church, create a culture oflove and life that results in into abortion2500:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.599in the orphan crisis. That's ourheart as a ministry. But there's various2600:01:59.640 --> 00:02:04.560aspects of this ministry and one ofthe most important aspects of this ministry is2700:02:04.640 --> 00:02:07.920the sidewalk outreach aspect. That's myheart, that's where I got started in2800:02:07.920 --> 00:02:10.800pro life ministry. That's Vicky's heart, and so we bring these episodes to2900:02:10.840 --> 00:02:15.680help encourage and equip people who aredoing sidewalk ministry and most of our episodes3000:02:15.719 --> 00:02:22.680are focused really particularly on the sidewalkministry at abortion centers. Right, and3100:02:22.800 --> 00:02:24.800we do divert from that from timeto time and talk about other things,3200:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.800but I mean almost always it servesthose who are on the sidewalk. If3300:02:30.919 --> 00:02:36.080we're covering other subjects that don't particularlypertain to the sidewalk, right, and3400:02:36.080 --> 00:02:40.360whereas this subject that we're going tocover really maybe doesn't particularly pertain to the3500:02:40.400 --> 00:02:46.120sidewalk. In a sense it does, yeah, but it could pertain to3600:02:46.120 --> 00:02:50.360any kind of ministry, but we'regoing to be talking about it in light3700:02:50.400 --> 00:02:57.000of sidewalk ministry being at the abortioncenters, and that is what makes great3800:02:57.080 --> 00:03:00.479leaders. Yeah, and you youare going to have to have good leaders3900:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.759on the sidewalk justice in a sidethat you definitely and in our facility or4000:03:04.800 --> 00:03:09.199in our city, we have teamleads of every sidewalk team. Yeah,4100:03:09.280 --> 00:03:14.639and having team leads that are greatleaders can really make or break a team4200:03:14.639 --> 00:03:16.919and it can keep volunteers or canscare volunteers the way. So this is4300:03:16.960 --> 00:03:21.039a really important topic, I think. Yeah, yeah, I think so.4400:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.879Yeah. Yeah, and there's variousleadership roles that people can have with4500:03:24.960 --> 00:03:29.199the sidewalk ministry but, like youmentioned, one of the main roles isn't4600:03:29.319 --> 00:03:34.039just at least how we structure thingsand have structured things with our sidewalk ministry4700:03:34.080 --> 00:03:36.719here in Charlotte, which has beengoing on, I mean officially, since4800:03:36.759 --> 00:03:39.960two thousand and ten, but I'vebeen involved way before that and others have4900:03:40.039 --> 00:03:44.080been as well. But the waythat we structure it is that we will5000:03:44.120 --> 00:03:47.639have a team lead. We kindof structure our teams. Will have a5100:03:47.680 --> 00:03:53.000Monday morning team in a Monday afternoonteam Tom Block of about three hours,5200:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.560and so for the Monday morning teamwill have a Monday morning team lead right.5300:03:55.599 --> 00:04:00.400Monday afternoon team will have a Mondayafternoon team leads of one person that5400:04:00.439 --> 00:04:03.120heads up the team and have certainresponsibilities. And Yeah, if you've got5500:04:03.199 --> 00:04:09.680good leaders, if you've got goodteam leads with varying degrees of experience and5600:04:09.759 --> 00:04:13.199leadership and varying degrees of giftings andcallings, but at the end of the5700:04:13.240 --> 00:04:16.040day, if they're good leaders,you can build a good team around good5800:04:16.120 --> 00:04:20.560leaders. Right. And I wouldsay to there's some other leadership aspects with5900:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.480the Sidewalk Ministry, some dynamics thatare maybe a little different than Charlotte that6000:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.839work out in other cities where we'llhave like one person that sort of oversees6100:04:29.839 --> 00:04:33.519the sidewalk ministry at one particular abortioncenter. That person is raising up those6200:04:33.560 --> 00:04:38.360team leads that we talked about.So I won't get to into the nitty6300:04:38.399 --> 00:04:44.120gritty of the structure and all thatother stuff, but there are various structures6400:04:44.160 --> 00:04:46.920and because of those structures and theneed for leaders within those structures, we're6500:04:46.920 --> 00:04:51.720going to talk about what makes greatleaders. Write the qualities, yeah,6600:04:51.759 --> 00:04:56.759that that make a great leader.And I'll tell you. Daniel had me6700:04:56.800 --> 00:05:01.279read this article about team leaders andand I pretty much sure out the article.6800:05:01.319 --> 00:05:06.079Since I am a leader in inour sidewalk ministry, I would just6900:05:06.120 --> 00:05:14.079say Oho out right because I thinkevery area could I could certainly improve upon.7000:05:14.120 --> 00:05:15.560So I think it's really helpful.I do think it's helpful if you've7100:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.240been a leader a long time orshort time. I think these these why7200:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.920might might be useful for all ofus to think about. Yeah, and7300:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.800definitely like just realize as we gothrough these things, maybe there's some deficiencies7400:05:27.839 --> 00:05:31.439in your leadership. Those who arelistening or us who are talking right,7500:05:31.639 --> 00:05:36.600definitely some deficiencies. You're never goingto be the perfect leader until you become7600:05:36.759 --> 00:05:42.480exactly like Jesus exactly. You're notgoing to become exactly like Jesus. We7700:05:42.519 --> 00:05:46.839all can work on certain things andso don't let that, which God intends7800:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.040to be an encouragement and to challengeyou, be a discouragement. If there's7900:05:50.079 --> 00:05:55.839some areas where you need to growin your leadership, then take these things.8000:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.560I mean that's part of kind ofbeing a good leaders being able to8100:05:58.560 --> 00:06:02.560take criticism. Yeah, and beingable to take what you hear. That's8200:06:02.600 --> 00:06:04.920actually one of the points here thatwe're going to touch on in just a8300:06:04.959 --> 00:06:11.519minute. Well, what you hearas criticisms and examine yourself. Sometimes criticisms8400:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.079that come from other people are justthat. They're just criticism, just people8500:06:15.160 --> 00:06:19.000being critical. Sometimes there's some truthto it. Sometimes people just want to8600:06:19.000 --> 00:06:23.439point the finger and say you're abad leader because they're frustrated or whatever.8700:06:23.600 --> 00:06:27.160Reality is, they're a bad follower. Right, right, often times.8800:06:27.240 --> 00:06:29.720And Yeah, that is definitely oneof them that will get to, but8900:06:29.759 --> 00:06:32.000maybe we should have it the firstone. Well, let me say this9000:06:32.160 --> 00:06:36.120first, because this article came fromand it came from a Google search for9100:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.199me actually. I was just lookingat some leadership articles and things like that9200:06:41.279 --> 00:06:44.639and this article came as Scott Hagen. I don't know who the guy is,9300:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.000right, but it came up inGoogle. I started reading the articles,9400:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.240like man, this is phenomenal.Yeah, and so I think in9500:06:50.519 --> 00:06:54.319so you wrote an article based onthis. Right, all right, just9600:06:54.399 --> 00:06:58.680to kind of make it more craftedtowards sidewalk ministry. Yeah, but I9700:06:58.680 --> 00:07:01.560think you list or you link thearticle within using the article at the end9800:07:01.560 --> 00:07:05.000of the art of this article thatI wrote that will be putting out on9900:07:05.040 --> 00:07:08.600sidewalks for life. Okay, yeah, I agree with you. I thought10000:07:08.600 --> 00:07:13.279it was it was really good andthere were some various obvious connections with what10100:07:13.319 --> 00:07:15.279we do on the sidewalk. Ithought, yeah, yeah, no doubt.10200:07:15.319 --> 00:07:20.160And so he's got some kind ofsubheadings or whatever that we're going to10300:07:20.199 --> 00:07:24.319go through. And Yeah, hadseven guiding principles, I think, of10400:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.839good leadership. But I'm going toadd an eighth. I started out,10500:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.639okay, we're starting with number eight. We're going to start art with number10600:07:30.680 --> 00:07:32.480eight. Okay, we'll start withnumber one and will bump all the other10700:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.120ones down. Okay, three,four, five, six, seven,10800:07:35.160 --> 00:07:39.279because a good leader has the privilegeto do that. If you exacts.10900:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.240Yes, so I can do that. Yeah, because I'm not a I'm11000:07:43.240 --> 00:07:46.600not a good leader greatly. Iguess I'm decent, but I'm a leader11100:07:46.639 --> 00:07:50.160that's learning some stuff. Okay,okay, good. And the most important11200:07:50.199 --> 00:07:56.160principle that I have learned in leadershipis this. Okay, John Maxwell,11300:07:56.759 --> 00:07:59.600he's a great leadership guru. Reada book by Him. Yeah, he11400:07:59.639 --> 00:08:03.160probably needs to write a book aboutthis and give me some royalties for it.11500:08:03.920 --> 00:08:05.639He might have already written a bookabout it. Anyway. The first11600:08:05.639 --> 00:08:13.959principles is the best leaders are goodfollowers. The best later yeah, are11700:08:13.000 --> 00:08:16.720good follower. But you know what, that is kind of my final point11800:08:16.720 --> 00:08:20.920in the in this article. Okay, and we're gonna so. So can11900:08:20.959 --> 00:08:24.240we hold off on it? It'sa real unless we want to talk about12000:08:24.279 --> 00:08:28.279it right now because it kind ofspoils the article. But we can move12100:08:28.319 --> 00:08:33.240to the end of the article.Because who was the best leader? Who12200:08:33.399 --> 00:08:39.120was the best follower and showed hisfollowers, yeah, how to lead by12300:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.960following. Yeah, yeah, Jesusis the best leader. That's right.12400:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.840And of course he said he onlydid what he saw his father do.12500:08:48.360 --> 00:08:50.799Yeah, he followed, he followedthe will of his father, and so12600:08:50.879 --> 00:08:54.360I will say in this is kindof why I say that, and we12700:08:54.399 --> 00:08:56.399can talk more about it at theend. That's why I don't want to12800:08:56.440 --> 00:09:00.200spoil what you have. Yeah,but the best leaders are good followers.12900:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.360Yeah, we have. If we'reever going to be the type of leader13000:09:03.399 --> 00:09:09.120that God is calling us to be, we must follow him. And to13100:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.320follow him, to follow Jesus,is to follow the way of humility.13200:09:13.440 --> 00:09:18.200And so many of these points thatwe're going to talk about require humility.13300:09:18.240 --> 00:09:24.039Okay, absolutely, and you humilityis practically the word. Means to get13400:09:24.080 --> 00:09:30.639low, right, but we knowemotionally that's to not let ourselves be chief.13500:09:30.639 --> 00:09:35.519Our opinions are concerns. What?What concerns us? What affects us,13600:09:35.519 --> 00:09:37.720to be the main thing, right, we've got to be good followers13700:09:37.799 --> 00:09:41.200of Jesus. And what did Jesusdo? He laid his life down,13800:09:41.360 --> 00:09:43.799right, he laid his life downfor the sake of others. In matter13900:09:43.799 --> 00:09:46.799of fact, Jesus said, ifyou're going to follow me, you got14000:09:46.799 --> 00:09:50.759to take up your cross, right, if you're going to be my disciple,14100:09:50.840 --> 00:09:52.639if you're going to be discipline inmy ways, you got to take14200:09:52.720 --> 00:09:58.240up across. So that's painful.So the best leaders are good followers.14300:09:58.279 --> 00:10:03.279And leadership is painful. Okay,it's painstaking sometimes, but there's also rewards14400:10:03.279 --> 00:10:07.279in it. So let's jump intoour first kind of point here, okay,14500:10:07.399 --> 00:10:16.360and the first point is great leaderspay attention. Poor leaders seek attention.14600:10:16.720 --> 00:10:18.000I thought that was such a greatline. Yeah, and it is14700:10:18.080 --> 00:10:22.960so true, because I was thinkingin my own life about the people that14800:10:24.000 --> 00:10:28.200I am most willing to follow,and they are not the ones that just14900:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.320want to take all the credit.Yeah, they're the ones that spread the15000:10:31.360 --> 00:10:37.120credit around. And and our humbleagain, at the at the root of15100:10:37.200 --> 00:10:43.080this one is humility. Right.Pride is the mother of US sin.15200:10:43.159 --> 00:10:48.240Yeah, and when we're prideful aswhen we're the one seeking attention. Yeah,15300:10:48.480 --> 00:10:50.480and so the great leaders, Ilove that. They pay attention.15400:10:52.080 --> 00:10:56.080I just started really thinking about that, right. Yeah, how does a15500:10:56.120 --> 00:11:00.639great leader pay attention? What's hepaying attention to? Yeah, and so15600:11:00.759 --> 00:11:05.120you guys who are leading at ahigher level in your city or whatever you're15700:11:05.159 --> 00:11:09.120doing, you're going to try toraise up leaders, like we talked about15800:11:09.159 --> 00:11:13.600these team leads or the sidewalk leadersor whatever you know, and you want15900:11:13.639 --> 00:11:18.440to be looking for people a goodmarker of someone who would be a good16000:11:18.480 --> 00:11:22.159leader for you as someone that paysattention rather than seeks attention. Yeah,16100:11:22.200 --> 00:11:24.399they're not always trying to get themselvesin the forefront of everything. MEAN,16200:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.799sometimes they're there, there on theforefront because they have all some testimony and16300:11:28.840 --> 00:11:33.320you know whatever. But really you'llsee a good leader in a person that16400:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.000can be developed into a good leaderwhen you see them complimenting other people,16500:11:37.679 --> 00:11:39.639when you see them going out oftheir way to think other people for what16600:11:39.679 --> 00:11:45.799they're doing. Good leaders they payattention. You can't know the good that16700:11:45.840 --> 00:11:48.840other people are doing if you're notpaying attention to it, right. And16800:11:48.879 --> 00:11:52.679so the picture would be then,someone who self absorbed the picture that he16900:11:52.720 --> 00:11:54.960gives in this article, I think, as a picture the kind of the17000:11:54.960 --> 00:11:58.399contrast between David and Sault. Right. Yeah, is that? Is that17100:11:58.440 --> 00:12:01.559in the article? Yeah, heno, I think that was one of17200:12:01.600 --> 00:12:03.799the points that he made talking aboutthat between David and Saul. I don't17300:12:03.799 --> 00:12:07.240think I put this at that inthe article, but it's it is a17400:12:07.240 --> 00:12:11.200great example that he gave. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and so it's17500:12:11.240 --> 00:12:16.720like saw, of course he wasjealous because David or saw slayses thousands and17600:12:16.840 --> 00:12:20.399David his ten thousands. Right,but David didn't sing that song. It17700:12:20.480 --> 00:12:24.320was the people praising David that Davidwas humble. Yeah, but it's all.17800:12:24.399 --> 00:12:26.960Didn't like to hear that there issomeone better getting more credit than he17900:12:28.080 --> 00:12:30.879was. Yeah, and Saul wasa horrible leader. He was. David18000:12:30.960 --> 00:12:33.799was a great leader. Now,Yeah, great leaders can stumble. We18100:12:33.840 --> 00:12:37.120know they would stumbled. Labor longon that, but if you're looking for18200:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.480good leaders, look for leaders thatpay attention to what others are doing,18300:12:41.519 --> 00:12:45.360not just try to get attention forwhat they're doing. Yeah, yeah,18400:12:45.399 --> 00:12:46.519and then the next one. Idon't know if you want to well,18500:12:46.559 --> 00:12:50.879the next one. That's the secretto high capacity leadership is knowing how to18600:12:50.879 --> 00:12:58.159turn personal criticism into personal improvement.And for me, as I he makes18700:12:58.200 --> 00:13:03.639a big point in the article thatHagen wrote about the difference between criticism and18800:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.320accusation. I think you kind ofalluded to that early on and that,18900:13:07.519 --> 00:13:13.720but they're almost every criticism that you'regoing to hear almost every time. Is19000:13:13.799 --> 00:13:16.120it has a kernel of truth.Yeah, it may have been exaggerated and19100:13:16.159 --> 00:13:20.039it may be phrased in an attackingway, which is I think when we're19200:13:20.120 --> 00:13:26.000least able to hear it. Right, but if, rather than becoming defensive,19300:13:26.080 --> 00:13:31.000were able to discern the truth inwhatever that criticism was, we can19400:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.559grow from that. All of uscan need improvement and we're not perfect,19500:13:35.679 --> 00:13:37.919like you said, we're not.We're not home yet, we're not with19600:13:39.000 --> 00:13:46.000Jesus, we're not Jesus. Yeah, so learning to take criticism and learn19700:13:46.120 --> 00:13:50.639from it. Yeah, and letme say that this is an important principle19800:13:50.639 --> 00:13:56.039of the Christian life. It ispeople are imperfect. Right, you're imperfect.19900:13:56.080 --> 00:14:01.039That's why you should be able toreceive criticism. People are imperfect.20000:14:01.039 --> 00:14:05.240WHO GIVE CRITIQUES OR CRITICISM? Maybethey're trying their best to give constructive criticism.20100:14:05.279 --> 00:14:09.320Yeah, but it seems like accusation. Right, at the end of20200:14:09.320 --> 00:14:13.919the day, you're not going tostand before them, you're not going to20300:14:13.960 --> 00:14:18.039stand before me, you're going tostand before God. Right, you're going20400:14:18.039 --> 00:14:22.440to stand before him, and hiscriticisms are always accurate and they're not accusations.20500:14:22.440 --> 00:14:26.279Necessarily, when God brings a truthto us, that we have a20600:14:26.320 --> 00:14:30.879confrontation with truth and he wants usto change, he does it for our20700:14:30.919 --> 00:14:37.159good because he loves us. Buthe oftentime does this thing, bringing criticism,20800:14:37.159 --> 00:14:43.120bringing the truth to us. Wehave a confrontation of with truth through20900:14:43.120 --> 00:14:46.480other people, through imperfect people,so people. God may have put it21000:14:46.519 --> 00:14:50.159in someone's heart to address you onan issue where you are not doing so21100:14:50.240 --> 00:14:56.720well. Yeah, and they deliverit imperfectly. That's why, anytime someone21200:14:56.799 --> 00:15:01.720brings criticism to you, your attitudehas to be one of reception, like21300:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.919if you're attitude when someone brings criticismimmediately is one of self defense and things21400:15:07.000 --> 00:15:11.759like that, you've got to checkyour heart just you don't have to respond.21500:15:11.879 --> 00:15:15.360Here's the thing. When someone bringsa criticism, some of these says,21600:15:15.559 --> 00:15:16.399you know, so I need totalk to you about this, I21700:15:16.440 --> 00:15:18.919need to talk to you about something. Of course, when that you know,21800:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.879we know that feeling right. That'swords. All right. What is21900:15:22.919 --> 00:15:28.399it? Let's I've learned, byGod's grace, to have my ear open22000:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.759and if it's something about me,to take it to not I don't have22100:15:31.840 --> 00:15:35.919to respond immediately. I can say, let me think about that. Yeah,22200:15:37.279 --> 00:15:39.559let me think about what you're saying, even maybe write it down if22300:15:39.559 --> 00:15:43.759they have a criticism, rather thanto defend myself, because if you are22400:15:43.799 --> 00:15:46.679your defender. You got a horribledefender. But if you let the Lord22500:15:46.720 --> 00:15:50.200be your defender. So if someof this stuff is criticism that is accurate22600:15:50.200 --> 00:15:54.600in some of its accusation, letGod sort through all of that stuff.22700:15:54.879 --> 00:15:56.919Let God be the one that sortsthrough it, because you're not going to22800:15:56.919 --> 00:16:00.559be able to sort through it allanyway. So, anyway, I'll just22900:16:00.720 --> 00:16:07.600kind of echo this this this point. The secret to high capacity of leadership23000:16:07.639 --> 00:16:11.919is knowing how to turn personal criticisminto personal improvement. Like you said,23100:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.399there can be a kernel of truth, apply what's good, eat the meats23200:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.960bit out the bay, if youhave to, right exactly, and I23300:16:18.000 --> 00:16:23.919think that's a sign of maturity asas a leader. Immature people tend to23400:16:23.960 --> 00:16:29.600want to justify why they're doing whatthey're doing. That you have just pointed23500:16:29.679 --> 00:16:33.679out to yeah, a mature people, I think, are more able to23600:16:33.120 --> 00:16:38.480just take it in and and learnfrom what the lesson is and let the23700:16:38.480 --> 00:16:44.159other just pass them by. Yeah, and listen, have to acknowledge we23800:16:44.200 --> 00:16:47.919need the grace of God to dothis. Yeah, right, so criticism23900:16:48.000 --> 00:16:52.200hurts, especially when you're pouring yourselfinto ministry and you think you're doing the24000:16:52.679 --> 00:16:55.200you're doing the best you can.You think you're doing a good job and24100:16:55.240 --> 00:16:59.440somebody comes along basically says you're notdoing a good job. You internalaws that24200:16:59.639 --> 00:17:03.519and you make it in your mindand your heart kind of reflect on who24300:17:03.559 --> 00:17:07.680you are. But listen, youare if you're a child of God,24400:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.240you belong to the king of Kings, the Lord of Lords, as his24500:17:11.359 --> 00:17:15.640daughter, as his son. Right, and all the criticisms that can come24600:17:15.720 --> 00:17:18.039nothing can change that. Right,if you're in Christ, none of the24700:17:18.039 --> 00:17:23.279criticisms change that. The foundation ofwho you are does not rest in the24800:17:23.319 --> 00:17:27.519opinions of others, but it restsin the truth of God's words. So24900:17:27.680 --> 00:17:36.039the opinions and criticisms of others canbe used by the Lord to to strengthen25000:17:36.839 --> 00:17:40.160your trust, in your resolve inin God. So let them do that25100:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.160rather than to shake you from yourtrust in the yeah, yes, that's25200:17:42.160 --> 00:17:45.759a really good one. Yeah,the next one that Hagen brought up is25300:17:45.839 --> 00:17:52.440it's not what you achieve, it'swhat you set in motion. Yeah,25400:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.319and for me, as I readthat, I was trying to think,25500:17:55.319 --> 00:17:59.400okay, exactly what does he meanand how could I apply that? Yeah,25600:17:59.400 --> 00:18:03.799to to the sidewalk, and wetell people all the time. We've25700:18:03.839 --> 00:18:07.160said it so many times on thispodcast. So much of what we do25800:18:07.319 --> 00:18:11.359is planting seats. Your planting seats, and that's kind of, I think,25900:18:11.440 --> 00:18:15.759what this author was saying. Yeah, that it. You may not26000:18:15.920 --> 00:18:22.960see what you have achieved ultimately,right, you may only see that a26100:18:23.039 --> 00:18:29.160seed has been planted and that youcan trust it's growing. Right, that's26200:18:29.200 --> 00:18:33.920what seeds do. Sure, yeah, so, yeah, yeah. Well,26300:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.680so that's along this train of thought. Are practical outreach at the abortion26400:18:38.720 --> 00:18:45.440centers that were planting seats. Butalso in this train of thought is kind26500:18:45.480 --> 00:18:49.559of the idea that you're not justout there to be a leader yourself,26600:18:49.799 --> 00:18:53.960but you're out there and you're inthis ministry to train up other leaders.26700:18:55.039 --> 00:18:57.680Yeah, so you're not just doingthe work with your own hands and laboring26800:18:57.720 --> 00:19:00.599and laboring and laboring by yourself,but some of the things you're setting in26900:19:00.680 --> 00:19:07.200motion is the people who you trainup after you that can take the banner27000:19:07.519 --> 00:19:11.440and run with it. Right.So sometimes there can almost be a sense27100:19:11.480 --> 00:19:15.839of jealousy if you've been involved ina ministry for a long time and other27200:19:15.920 --> 00:19:19.359people God raises up other people andGod uses you to help raise up other27300:19:19.400 --> 00:19:23.279people and they run, they runfarther with it than you do or they27400:19:23.279 --> 00:19:26.720take it maybe to another level thanyou had. You can always be Jut27500:19:26.799 --> 00:19:30.920us, right, you can almostbe jealous us, yeah, but the27600:19:30.920 --> 00:19:33.119reality is like you're a part ofthat, like you set that emotion.27700:19:33.200 --> 00:19:38.359That same dynamic is played out herein Charlotte where it started out with well,27800:19:38.440 --> 00:19:42.559with flip flip, been him herein Charlotte plowing the ground and pro27900:19:42.599 --> 00:19:48.640life ministry at the abortion centers,and then his son's start cities for life28000:19:48.720 --> 00:19:52.480and start that ministry and it movesforward and then they put me in as28100:19:52.519 --> 00:19:56.559the leader and then you know,I'm trying my best to take it to28200:19:56.559 --> 00:20:00.240the next level and seeing some growth, and then love life comes aloong and28300:20:00.519 --> 00:20:03.680takes things to the next level.You know, there was some temptation in28400:20:03.720 --> 00:20:07.119me to be a little jealous,like, okay, we never were able28500:20:07.160 --> 00:20:10.119to get churches on board, likelove life is what's going on here right,28600:20:10.240 --> 00:20:14.000what's going on with this thing?A little bit of jealousy. But28700:20:14.119 --> 00:20:18.160by God's grace I took the attitudeof let let Jesus increase and let cities28800:20:18.160 --> 00:20:22.000for life, let me let anyother thing decrease. Like, if this28900:20:22.079 --> 00:20:26.119is what God's doing, then youdo it, Lord, and I'm on29000:20:26.160 --> 00:20:29.319board with it, you know.And that takes an attitude of humility.29100:20:29.440 --> 00:20:32.559Yeah, and it takes me rememberingit's not just the things that I do29200:20:32.759 --> 00:20:36.319daytoday, but it's the things that, by God's grace, I've helped set29300:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.400in motion. The same for you, Vicky. Yeah, you've trained up29400:20:38.440 --> 00:20:44.640people after you who are who arerunning with this thing. You've been involved29500:20:44.680 --> 00:20:47.359in some of our boot camp traineesthat we do here in Charlotte. You29600:20:47.359 --> 00:20:49.720think about what you get to see. You've poured into some younger people.29700:20:49.759 --> 00:20:53.519I think of Jenna, who weinterviewed on this podcast some time ago,29800:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.400he who's in Rowan Oak, who'slike she's like a mini Vicky, you29900:20:57.400 --> 00:21:00.200know, or even like Veronica,who's you're serving, and others. You30000:21:00.240 --> 00:21:03.039know, I can't name all thenames of people that you've poured into,30100:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.920that we've poured into here that aredoing the sidewalk ministry. Yeah, right,30200:21:07.960 --> 00:21:11.680and so we've set some things inmotion there that you know, it's30300:21:11.720 --> 00:21:15.200not something really we achieved in thesense, but God used us to set30400:21:15.240 --> 00:21:18.160some things emotions. Is a coupleaspects of this point. Well, that's30500:21:18.160 --> 00:21:23.359a great point, because I dooften look at the teams that largely our30600:21:23.359 --> 00:21:27.960teams are have been trained by me, yeah, or by you, and30700:21:30.000 --> 00:21:33.480there are some old timers there thatwere there before I was, but not30800:21:33.559 --> 00:21:36.720many. And and I look atthem as my children. It's like a30900:21:36.799 --> 00:21:41.279hen looking at her little chicks andthinking wow, they're they're growing up and31000:21:41.319 --> 00:21:45.519they're they're doing so well in there. I think to have pride in that31100:21:45.680 --> 00:21:49.119is a good thing. That becausethat that's where God would, I think,31200:21:49.200 --> 00:21:56.640have us be rejoicing that, youknow. And so god God did31300:21:56.680 --> 00:22:00.960that with with, what's it Mosesor with Abraham? I think it was31400:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.480Moses, where, you know,Abraham is overwhelmed by by I'm sorry,31500:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.799Moses is overwhelmed with what he's facing. He can't, he can't do this31600:22:07.839 --> 00:22:12.279alone. And and God raises upother yeah, well, that his father31700:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.160in Long Jeff threw, actually toldhim that you're going to burn yourself out31800:22:15.240 --> 00:22:18.200trying to do all this. Actually, and a lot of sidewalk people,31900:22:18.200 --> 00:22:22.200people with the heart to serve outthere, yeah, could fall into the32000:22:22.200 --> 00:22:26.319trap of burning themselves out because there'snot there's not other people to do this32100:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.279thing. Yeah, and so I'llsay with this your time. So certainly32200:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.039out there on the sidewalk is important. Babies are dying. Somebody needs to32300:22:33.039 --> 00:22:38.039be there. But if you canspend one hour pouring into five people that32400:22:38.119 --> 00:22:41.240you can kind of set in motionto do this thing, you would be32500:22:41.240 --> 00:22:45.400better than spending three hours on thesidewalks. That makes sense. It does,32600:22:45.559 --> 00:22:52.079because you're multiplying through. It's nolonger you alone. Yeah, you32700:22:52.119 --> 00:22:56.720are. Ultimately. It's a lotof work in the beginning, but ultimately32800:22:56.000 --> 00:23:03.039they will be released to carry onand even expand. Yeah, upon what32900:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.039what you've been able to do.So that was a really good one,33000:23:06.079 --> 00:23:08.400I thought, because there is thetendency for, I think, all of33100:23:08.480 --> 00:23:12.400us, when we get overwhelmed,to feel where I'm all alone in this,33200:23:12.480 --> 00:23:17.599right, and maybe we're all alonein this because we haven't poured into33300:23:17.680 --> 00:23:23.400others enough and and set into motionthe people that will carry it on,33400:23:23.440 --> 00:23:27.359because we will all not be hereforever. Yeah, yeah, so sadly.33500:23:27.839 --> 00:23:37.480So. One that really resonated withme insecurity will emotionally rearrange everything you33600:23:37.640 --> 00:23:41.240see and here as a leader,right, and I think that relates very,33700:23:41.319 --> 00:23:45.400very much so to some of thethings we've already said, like how33800:23:45.440 --> 00:23:52.759you take criticism, yes, orhow you handle watching others take your banner33900:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.160and run and do better than you. Yeah, but you can really if34000:23:56.200 --> 00:24:03.160you're looking through the eyes of insecurityas a leader, it can be toxic.34100:24:03.240 --> 00:24:07.119Yeah, you can look at everyonein the most negative light. And34200:24:07.160 --> 00:24:11.279I can remember you saying many timesto me, me, Daniel, assume34300:24:11.799 --> 00:24:15.920the best. Yeah, in people. Now, sometimes, when you have34400:24:15.000 --> 00:24:22.400assumed the best, it's inaccurate.Yeah, but it's still it's an attitude34500:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.400that I think is good to cultivate. Assume the best and you are much34600:24:26.519 --> 00:24:33.839less likely to find evil where itreally never was. Yeah, but out34700:24:33.839 --> 00:24:41.200of your insecurity you're seeing things thatyou shouldn't be seeing. Yeah, the34800:24:41.240 --> 00:24:47.000devil does a very good job ofbuilding a case against people, right,34900:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.559and against organizations, churches or whatever, in the minds of people who are35000:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.319insecure. Yeah, and in theminds of people who are secure, by35100:24:56.319 --> 00:24:57.759the way, let me let metell you. The devil is the accuser35200:24:57.799 --> 00:25:02.319of the brethren. Yeah, yeah, and so he's going to accuse you.35300:25:02.359 --> 00:25:04.400He's the devil. I've seen itso often. I've seen it in35400:25:04.519 --> 00:25:07.240my life. Is Seen in thelaws of others, where the devil will35500:25:07.319 --> 00:25:12.440line things up just so, justin just the right way, where someone35600:25:12.519 --> 00:25:17.519ignoring you at church, or atleast what you think is ignoring you at35700:25:17.599 --> 00:25:21.160Church, and and and you feellike, okay, I've encountered them three35800:25:21.200 --> 00:25:23.079times at Church and they had me, an acknowledge me and we're friends and35900:25:23.079 --> 00:25:26.839they haven't said hey to me right, and you're thinking, what, they36000:25:26.839 --> 00:25:29.759hate me and you build this wholecase against them. Well, they hate36100:25:29.759 --> 00:25:30.960me, and so, yeah,I don't have a reason to like them36200:25:32.000 --> 00:25:34.960either. You can start to builda case when meanwhile what's happening behind the36300:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.200scenes is each time they passed byyou, one time they're their kid was36400:25:38.240 --> 00:25:41.440throwing up and they're running past youto the bathroom. Another time you know36500:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.119the accident happened. Other time theyget an emergency phone call. You know36600:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.440what I'm saying? Like the devilcan Lee that stuff up. So you36700:25:48.599 --> 00:25:55.000have to. In this takes somevery, very disciplined thinking and being very36800:25:55.039 --> 00:25:59.680surrendered to the Lord. In thisyou have to believe the best about your36900:25:59.759 --> 00:26:02.920brothers and sisters in the Lord.Right, you don't have an option.37000:26:02.880 --> 00:26:06.240You do not have the option.Yeah, to believe the worst about your37100:26:06.279 --> 00:26:10.200brothers and sisters in Christ and unlessyou're proven wrong, and less you're pretty37200:26:10.279 --> 00:26:15.200wrong, then you can reassess,but your initial assessment should be one of37300:26:15.240 --> 00:26:18.200the people that came to mind tome Biblically, and what I thought about37400:26:18.279 --> 00:26:23.759is what I see with insecure leadersis they will seek to control. Yeah,37500:26:23.759 --> 00:26:27.000and they become tyrants. Right,and the story in the Bible of37600:26:27.039 --> 00:26:32.359Re Habom, I'm hope I'm pronouncinghis name right. He became king as37700:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.720a young man. Asked this thisstory. By the way. I forget37800:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.559where it's in it. I'll findthe reference. I think it's in the37900:26:37.599 --> 00:26:42.680article somewhere. Yeah, but hehas first kings. Okay, it's first38000:26:42.720 --> 00:26:48.559characters. Will okay. So heasks the as at when he comes into38100:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.279to become a king as a youngman. He goes to the elders,38200:26:51.279 --> 00:26:53.240which was appropriate, and says,Hey, how should I lead these people?38300:26:53.279 --> 00:26:59.000And they recommend gentleness. But he'san insecure guy. He goes and38400:26:59.079 --> 00:27:03.000to asks his buddies his age,who say double down, Oh, my38500:27:03.000 --> 00:27:07.359God father did be even harsher.And it ends up dividing the Kingdom of38600:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.640Israel forever. Yeah, so here'san insecure leader who takes the advice of38700:27:11.680 --> 00:27:18.279a bunch of friends, probably isdrinking buddies, right, and it and38800:27:18.400 --> 00:27:25.240it, and it does. Itdoesn't go well at Allso tyrants, I38900:27:25.279 --> 00:27:29.640think, are people that are veryinsecure. Yeah, and they seek to39000:27:29.640 --> 00:27:36.839control through a very inappropriate way.Yeah, yeah, yet leadership is well,39100:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.759John Maxwell, he's the leadership gurule. Yeah, says leadership is influence,39200:27:40.960 --> 00:27:44.519nothing more and nothing less. Yeah, which is true. But if39300:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.359you think about leadership in the context, especially what we're talking about, is39400:27:48.400 --> 00:27:53.640its relational influence. Like, leadershipis relationship. Sure, we're building relationships39500:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.240now, at the end of theday, as leaders, we have to39600:27:56.240 --> 00:28:00.119make certain decisions and we have tosay, well, this, this is39700:28:00.119 --> 00:28:00.920not going to be the way thatit is. This is going to be39800:28:00.960 --> 00:28:03.519the way that it is. Wehave to make those decisions from time to39900:28:03.559 --> 00:28:08.599time. Yeah, but most ofthe time we can make good decisions in40000:28:08.640 --> 00:28:14.559relationship with the people that we're leadingand they can actually help inform our decisions.40100:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.640Right, we want to bring themalong, right, but, yeah,40200:28:17.640 --> 00:28:19.359if we're insecure, we can't dothat. If we're insecure, we40300:28:19.400 --> 00:28:25.519almost like sometimes an insecure leader.They're affected by those of their leading in40400:28:25.599 --> 00:28:27.039such a way that where they coureddown in a corner, right, and40500:28:27.079 --> 00:28:32.160so they don't want to lead andthen they a pendulum swing the other direction40600:28:32.319 --> 00:28:36.160because of their insecurities and they leadlike a tyrant. So either you're you40700:28:36.160 --> 00:28:37.920know, you're a puppy dog inthe corner is afraid, or you're a40800:28:37.920 --> 00:28:42.640tyrant. It's a good leadership isvery balanced in its security. And so40900:28:42.680 --> 00:28:47.680if you're insecure, if you seesome insecurities in your leadership, bring it41000:28:47.759 --> 00:28:51.240to the Lord. Ask Him tohelp you to be secure. You got41100:28:51.240 --> 00:28:55.759to be first and formally secure inwho you are in Christ and then secure41200:28:55.920 --> 00:29:00.160in your calling. Are you reallycalled to this thing? And quite likely41300:29:00.240 --> 00:29:03.920you are. If you're in thisministry, you're called to it. You41400:29:03.960 --> 00:29:07.240didn't step into it in the flesh, probably, and so if you called41500:29:07.279 --> 00:29:11.880to it and you're in Christ,then that's the foundation of your security.41600:29:11.920 --> 00:29:15.119Again, your relationship with him,and ask the Lord to help you to41700:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.039build on that foundation. Right.Right, I love the next one because41800:29:18.160 --> 00:29:22.799this one was what gave me hope. Right, the leadership happens over time,41900:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.400not overnight. Yeah, and Iwill tell you when I first stepped42000:29:26.400 --> 00:29:32.079into leadership rolls. Yes, Ireally struggled and I'm sure every one of42100:29:32.119 --> 00:29:37.039these areas and still do in someof these areas. But there's hope.42200:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.599If you are a good leader andyou're following God as your ultimate leader,42300:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.880he will help you to develop theseskills that you need to be the best42400:29:48.000 --> 00:29:49.839leader. Yeah, that you canbe it. It does. It does42500:29:49.920 --> 00:29:55.359take time and we see that throughoutthe Bible with all the great leaders of42600:29:55.400 --> 00:29:59.160the Bible. Yeah, they developedover time. You know, Moses started42700:29:59.200 --> 00:30:04.079off by killing, killing a fellowEgypt sure, killing the the man who42800:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.480killed a fellow Egyptian. And thenbut he or a fellow Hebrew. But42900:30:08.519 --> 00:30:11.279then I forget the story, butyou know what I mean. He killed43000:30:11.319 --> 00:30:18.599an Egyptian taskmaster, right, itwas disciplining one of his Hebrew Andros and43100:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.960you know, and that was probablynot the you know, the most appropriate43200:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.799response for him to take bit throughas a leader and and and all of43300:30:26.880 --> 00:30:32.960us can yeah, and absolutely,and that will not happen unless you put43400:30:33.079 --> 00:30:38.839some work. Listen, ministries work, leadership is work. Relationships take work.43500:30:38.920 --> 00:30:44.599Yeah, I don't mean like worksbased salvation or anything like that,43600:30:45.079 --> 00:30:48.759but if you're going to grow inyour leadership. You're going to have to43700:30:48.759 --> 00:30:52.119put some work into it. Yeah, you're you need to read leadership books43800:30:52.160 --> 00:30:56.640and there's a lot of them.I've mentioned John Maxwell. He's got a43900:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.839book called developing the leader within you. We actually went through it together through44000:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.559that. It's a great book andthere's some other podcast now all of this44100:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.000stuff. Some some of John Maxwellstuff like I have to eat the meat44200:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.519and spit out the bones. Yeah, there's some things where I'm like,44300:31:11.559 --> 00:31:14.680yeah, I don't know about thatand seem so biblical. I could be44400:31:14.720 --> 00:31:17.839wrong. I'm at least smart enoughto know that guy's been walking with God44500:31:17.920 --> 00:31:19.759longer and I could be wrong inhim right. So if there's things you44600:31:19.799 --> 00:31:23.319need to sort through with some ofhis stuff, or like Craig grow Shell44700:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.599has a leadership podcast which has beenawesome to me. There's some stuff in44800:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.240it it's a little like, andI don't know he's speaking to business man44900:31:30.240 --> 00:31:33.400and not really speaking to the ministryleaders, but for the most part it's45000:31:33.440 --> 00:31:36.759like meat, you know. Yeah, so you've got to put some work45100:31:36.759 --> 00:31:42.519into personal development and growing as aleader. Of course putting work into cultivating45200:31:42.519 --> 00:31:47.519your relationship with Jesus and prayer and, in this word, right fellowship with45300:31:47.559 --> 00:31:52.000other believers. But it doesn't happenovernight. Yeah, and so stick with45400:31:52.079 --> 00:31:56.759it. If you guys need somesuggestions for good leadership books to listen to45500:31:56.880 --> 00:31:59.960or to read, I do alot of listening. I listen to a45600:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.559lot of PODCASTS, yeah, andlisten to a lot of books that I45700:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.559would be more than willing to shootthose along. I think getting a hold45800:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.480of this article would be great.Listen to this podcast maybe as a good45900:32:09.480 --> 00:32:13.400first step. But let's jump intoour next couple of points. We've got46000:32:13.480 --> 00:32:15.640just a few minutes, or actuallya little overtime. Yeah, and so46100:32:15.720 --> 00:32:20.359let's try to knock these couple lastcouple of points out. Yeah. Well,46200:32:20.400 --> 00:32:24.839the next one making complex things simple. Yeah, and that's the role46300:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.640of a leader, not to makesimple things complex. There are so many46400:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.400times, just at this point isa little bit obvious, but there are46500:32:30.519 --> 00:32:35.359so many times when I will readan article and I'll think, Gosh,46600:32:35.480 --> 00:32:39.759this guy is really well well acclaimedand this is obviously such a smart guy46700:32:39.799 --> 00:32:43.880and I don't understand a word ofwhat he said. And I know I'm46800:32:44.079 --> 00:32:49.200I'm not a dumb person. Sobut if I can't understand the depth of46900:32:49.240 --> 00:32:54.079his thought. He probably should havemade it easier, yeah, to understand,47000:32:54.119 --> 00:32:57.759and good leaders will do that.They should not be out just to47100:32:57.799 --> 00:33:00.559impress you with all the big wordsthat can use. Yeah, yeah,47200:33:00.640 --> 00:33:06.119yeah, and you know, asit pertains to like processes, and we47300:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.480talked a couple of weeks ago aboutsome strategy, some sidewalk strategies and things47400:33:09.519 --> 00:33:15.240like that. Right, you know, we tried our best to kind of47500:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.519break those down and make those pretty, pretty simple. It's not. It's47600:33:17.519 --> 00:33:22.519not rocket surgery. That's when thatsaid. Right, right. And so47700:33:22.880 --> 00:33:27.440being intentional about the way that youcommunicate certain things if there are certain things47800:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.119that need to be a certain way, for example, if you're leading a47900:33:30.160 --> 00:33:36.200team, a sidewalk team, andthere's a they're not doing so great a48000:33:36.279 --> 00:33:38.119job at passing out literature and there'ssome things that they need to do to48100:33:38.160 --> 00:33:43.319improve it. Yeah, don't besuper complex and what you're saying be very48200:33:43.359 --> 00:33:45.599simple and to the point and justsay hey, you know, if you48300:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.279stand here and you look that wayand you smile in your way, in48400:33:47.319 --> 00:33:51.240your wave, it's going to bemore effective. Rather than trying to break48500:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.799down the psychology of the whole thing. Just make it, make it simple.48600:33:54.880 --> 00:34:00.000Yeah, in a way to makecomplex things simple that I've learned is48700:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.799with analogies. Yeah, right,yea, with analogies. Yeah, there's48800:34:04.839 --> 00:34:09.320actually some complexity, believe it ornot, to holding signs at an abortion48900:34:09.360 --> 00:34:13.280center. MMM, you know that? Yes, because I've heard that.49000:34:13.360 --> 00:34:16.280I've listened to this podcast. Yes, there's some complexities to it. There's49100:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.719some things that you can do tomake it more effective and there's some good49200:34:21.440 --> 00:34:24.320psychological reasons why you do those.Right, right, but what I do49300:34:24.360 --> 00:34:29.559to help when I'm training people tohold signs is I give them analogy.49400:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.559Hey, you know there's there's thesecompanies like sweet frog. Right, Elijah,49500:34:32.719 --> 00:34:36.719one of our guys here locally,he he actually runs a sweet frog,49600:34:36.800 --> 00:34:39.360yeah, as well as does sidewalkministry, but we see him.49700:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.199And there's other businesses, mattress companiesand stuff, where they literally hire someone49800:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.239to hold a sign out front.Right. Why do they do that?49900:34:47.239 --> 00:34:51.400Why do they pay someone like,I don't know, ten, twelve bucks50000:34:51.400 --> 00:34:53.000an hour or something like that tohold a sign out front? Because they50100:34:53.079 --> 00:34:59.920know that people will engage with amessage that's associated with another person than a50200:35:00.000 --> 00:35:02.000message that's just stuck in the groundor on a billboard. Right, right,50300:35:02.039 --> 00:35:05.280that's an analogy. And so whywould I hold a sign in front50400:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.679of the abortion center when I couldjust prop it up or whatever? Yeah,50500:35:07.840 --> 00:35:12.239it's because people will engage with people, right, and so I help50600:35:12.360 --> 00:35:15.920to make that complex thing right insteadof, you know, you need to50700:35:15.960 --> 00:35:19.239not put this sign on that andso maybe I'm making it a little too50800:35:19.239 --> 00:35:22.480complex. There's different ways. Youcan use signage and you can prop them50900:35:22.519 --> 00:35:24.719up and got I'll use that,but there's a more more excellent way,51000:35:24.760 --> 00:35:28.800there's a more effective way, dependingon, you know, the the manpower51100:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.760that you have. What I'm tryingto say is use analogies to help people51200:35:31.800 --> 00:35:36.400connect with whether it's whatever it hasto do with, whether that's the way51300:35:36.440 --> 00:35:38.400that they arrange their team, theway that they lead their team, the51400:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.639way that they hand out literature,the way that they hold up signs,51500:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.840whatever it is. I think helpingpeople with analogies really helps him connect with51600:35:46.840 --> 00:35:52.280with certain truths and get them onboard. Jesus used it with the parables.51700:35:52.440 --> 00:35:55.360Yeah, but I want to getback to what we started with,51800:35:55.480 --> 00:36:00.840okay, that the best leader isis a servant and the the parable that51900:36:00.920 --> 00:36:06.239that I thought of parable a storyto hear make this complex thought simple.52000:36:06.360 --> 00:36:09.280Okay, Jesus use the parable sometime. Is when he washes the feet52100:36:09.320 --> 00:36:14.239of the disciples. And in JohnThirteen, I think that's such a beautiful52200:36:14.280 --> 00:36:21.360picture and and in fact he actuallysays, you call me teacher and Lord,52300:36:21.400 --> 00:36:25.239and you are right. So heis teaching them, he is he52400:36:25.360 --> 00:36:32.360is leading them and he teaches andleads them by showing them that I if52500:36:32.440 --> 00:36:37.159I then the Lord and the teacherwashed your feet, you also ought to52600:36:37.159 --> 00:36:39.079wash one another's feet. So,yes, I think he's teaching a very52700:36:39.079 --> 00:36:45.079critical point that you raised at thebeginning of a true leader gets down and52800:36:45.239 --> 00:36:50.559does, yeah, what he istelling the others to do. Yeah,52900:36:50.559 --> 00:36:55.920and humbles himself and is serves inin his capacity as leader. so He's53000:36:55.960 --> 00:37:00.880our model, right, and Ithink that passage, just reading and truly53100:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.320understanding that passage because a long way, I think, to helping us to53200:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.960understand what a great leader looks.Yeah, yeah, everybody wants to be53300:37:08.000 --> 00:37:12.719a leader, yeah, until they'reactually leading. Yeah, and then you53400:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.320realize, like, leadership is hard. Yeah. Yeah, I think of53500:37:15.440 --> 00:37:22.119James and John. Remember they askedJesus who? Who of us? Consider53600:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.920on your right hand, on yourleft hand? You know, they want53700:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.079the exalted position. Won't? Becausethat's what everybody thinks about a leader.53800:37:27.079 --> 00:37:29.480Oh, he gets all the glory. Yeah, right. They want some53900:37:29.559 --> 00:37:34.519leadership up. Yeah, they wantsome influence. And you know the reality54000:37:34.639 --> 00:37:38.719is Jesus being the best leader.What does his leadership lead him to?54100:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.159To Sacrifice? Yeah, to layhis life down for the sake of others.54200:37:43.360 --> 00:37:45.880Yeah, leadership take sacrifice. Now, there's rewards in it, there's54300:37:45.880 --> 00:37:51.800blessings in it, but it's notall fun and Games. The leader really54400:37:51.840 --> 00:37:54.360should be the first one there inthe last one to leave. In a54500:37:54.360 --> 00:37:58.320lot of ways, now you canraise up people, and I get it.54600:37:58.360 --> 00:38:01.199You raise up team leads. Youdon't want to burn yourself out unnecessarily,54700:38:01.239 --> 00:38:06.719but especially in the beginning stages ofyour leadership and Sidewalk Ministry, you54800:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.440should be the first one there.Now you should not as a leader,54900:38:09.719 --> 00:38:14.079if there's a certain sidewalk time,let's say nine o'clock, is like like55000:38:14.199 --> 00:38:16.119we try to get our teams here. Yeah, you should be there before55100:38:16.199 --> 00:38:21.440nine o'clock. Yep, even ifyou've got team leads that are heading up55200:38:21.480 --> 00:38:23.880that particular day. If they knowyou're going to be there, you should55300:38:23.920 --> 00:38:28.400be there early, you should bethere before they get there and you should55400:38:28.519 --> 00:38:30.639encourage them. And you're not therebefore they get there and you're letting them55500:38:30.679 --> 00:38:34.079know, Oh, you know,I got here five minutes ago. Guess55600:38:34.079 --> 00:38:37.119where you bent? No, you'rethere. You're there to help lead.55700:38:37.159 --> 00:38:43.840You're there to really model leadership whichis sacrificial. You're not the guy who,55800:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.199when it's so hot outside that youcan't bear it, that you decide,55900:38:47.199 --> 00:38:50.880well, I'm actually going to takea break from Sidewalk Ministry today.56000:38:50.920 --> 00:38:54.119Know, you be intentional and makesure you're out there on the hottest days.56100:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.440Yeah, because you want to showyour teams that you're a sacrificial leader56200:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.039and you're not doing it just toshow them that that, but you're doing56300:39:00.119 --> 00:39:06.519that so that they understand that thisleader, this person who's leading us,56400:39:06.920 --> 00:39:10.280is a good, a sacrificial,a Christ like leader. Now, we're56500:39:10.320 --> 00:39:15.000all in perfect in various ways,but ask for the grace of God to56600:39:15.039 --> 00:39:20.719do that stuff and be intentional aboutlaying your life down for the sake of56700:39:20.760 --> 00:39:24.159those who are who are under you, and pour into others so that they'll56800:39:24.239 --> 00:39:29.920lead and take it further than youever could a man man. All right,56900:39:29.960 --> 00:39:31.280well, guys, we hope thispodcast was a blessing to you.57000:39:31.320 --> 00:39:36.159Went over a little longer than wewanted to. Try to shoot for thirty57100:39:36.159 --> 00:39:38.719minutes on these just so you guyscan consume them. But we're loudly leaders,57200:39:38.760 --> 00:39:42.880but we're learning and we're learning tobe better next time after this one.57300:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.239Hopefully, hopefully, we'll be betternext time. But we hope this57400:39:45.320 --> 00:39:47.159was a blessing to you, guys. We'd love for you, guys,57500:39:47.199 --> 00:39:51.559to reach out to us. Letus know, maybe some subjects we can57600:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.960cover in the future. Let usknow. We've had a few people recently57700:39:53.039 --> 00:39:57.239let us know these podcasts were ablessing. That's encouraging to us. It's57800:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.599someone that we're yeah, we're pouringout some stuff and hopefully we're rating raising57900:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.719up leaders behind us. They cantake this thing and run with it,58000:40:04.760 --> 00:40:06.800and so certainly you can reach outto us. You can reach me,58100:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.639Daniel Love Life Dot Org. Youcan reach her, Vicki, with a58200:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.239why at Love Life Dot Org.We'd love to hear from you, but58300:40:14.360 --> 00:40:22.000until next time, God bless God, bless you all our love for love,58400:40:25.119 --> 00:40:34.519give me our love. For gratitude. I know it will cost me58500:40:34.639 --> 00:40:42.840my life. Nothing's too precious sinceI met you,