May 28, 2020

What is the Abortion Pill Reversal?

What is the Abortion Pill Reversal?

The abortion pill is becoming the most common method of abortion. Many don't realize that there's actually a procedure that can reverse the effects of the abortion pill before the baby dies. In this episode, we interview Courtney Parks, an APR nurse...


The abortion pill is becoming the most common method of abortion. Many don't realize that there's actually a procedure that can reverse the effects of the abortion pill before the baby dies. In this episode, we interview Courtney Parks, an APR nurse as well as Daniel's wife, about the abortion pill reversal. She shares some medical facts about it as well as some stories of women who have undergone the APR protocol.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.189 Lord. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. This episode we're going 3 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.509 to have a special guest, my wife Courtney Parks, on to talk about 4 00:00:13.550 --> 00:00:17.550 the abortion pill reversal. She'll explain what the abortion pill reversal is, as 5 00:00:17.589 --> 00:00:21.109 well as share some stories what God has done through this awesome procedure. Stay 6 00:00:21.190 --> 00:00:37.049 tuned. I felt show passis touch your heart. Use Welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:37.090 --> 00:00:41.530 Center pro life podcast. We have a special guest, very special guests, 8 00:00:41.609 --> 00:00:45.570 very my favorite guest that we've had of all thus far, of all times, 9 00:00:46.770 --> 00:00:50.840 and we'll be talking about a future Amen, and we're going to be 10 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:55.280 talking about a special subject which hopefully we'll be a blessing to you guys. 11 00:00:55.479 --> 00:01:02.359 Hopefully this will be informative to you guys and informational but also cheering some stories, 12 00:01:02.840 --> 00:01:06.670 because God has done some amazing things. We have some pretty amazing stories 13 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:11.549 to share and we have an amazing woman here, my wife, courtney parks, 14 00:01:11.989 --> 00:01:17.349 are in. She's a registered nurse and we're very happy to have her. 15 00:01:17.469 --> 00:01:19.540 We're here with US and she's been involved in what we're going to be 16 00:01:19.620 --> 00:01:23.739 talking about, which is the abortion pill reversal. She's been involved in that 17 00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.340 for a few years. How many years that's been? Probably Five, five 18 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:30.700 years. So she's been involved in the abortion pill reversals and doing the abortion 19 00:01:30.700 --> 00:01:34.329 peal reversals for about five years. And some of you guys have no clue 20 00:01:34.370 --> 00:01:38.370 what we're talking about. Some of you guys know exactly what we're talking about. 21 00:01:38.090 --> 00:01:42.090 But hopefully, as we when we wrap up this podcast, you'll be 22 00:01:42.209 --> 00:01:48.040 fully aware of what we're talking about and how, if you're ministering in a 23 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:52.239 pregnancy center or you're ministering, like we do, on the sidewalks an abortion 24 00:01:52.359 --> 00:01:57.040 center, you'll know how to effectively offer the abortion pell reversal, or at 25 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.400 least what you're offering, what you're talking about, and even where to refer 26 00:02:00.560 --> 00:02:04.189 people to. And so let's let's jump into a Vicky, you got some 27 00:02:04.269 --> 00:02:06.989 questions there that you were going to ask my wife. So we're going to 28 00:02:07.030 --> 00:02:10.909 be grilling her with these questions and I'm sure she'll do a very good job 29 00:02:10.990 --> 00:02:15.550 in answering them. So hop into your first question. Yeah, well, 30 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:20.580 and and it just as an introduction of this wonderful woman. I have been 31 00:02:20.659 --> 00:02:24.180 with Courtney for at least a few of these abortion pill reversals, one of 32 00:02:24.259 --> 00:02:28.819 which took all day and I think we're going to hear later about that story, 33 00:02:29.020 --> 00:02:34.770 but it is just such a beautiful example of God giving a second chance. 34 00:02:34.889 --> 00:02:37.810 He is the God of Second Chances, isn't he? and to me 35 00:02:38.050 --> 00:02:43.849 the abortion pill reversal is just such a beautiful example of that. So maybe 36 00:02:44.169 --> 00:02:47.159 for the people listening who have no idea what it is or they've probably heard 37 00:02:47.159 --> 00:02:52.479 some lies about it, because there are a lot of misperceptions and lies about 38 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.639 it out there, can you tell us what it is, how it works, 39 00:02:55.680 --> 00:03:01.909 who developed it, maybe when it was developed? How about we talked 40 00:03:01.909 --> 00:03:07.229 about what the abortion pill actually does and then then we can jump into because 41 00:03:07.590 --> 00:03:10.990 one of the misconceptions that people have is that the abortion pill that they give 42 00:03:12.030 --> 00:03:15.500 them inside the abortion center and the morning after peeple are the same thing in 43 00:03:15.620 --> 00:03:17.860 Courtney. Those are not the same thing, absolutely not two different things. 44 00:03:19.060 --> 00:03:23.099 So how does the abortion peel work? So they give them medication inside the 45 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:25.900 abortion center. What what is that medication? How does it work? Is 46 00:03:25.939 --> 00:03:30.250 there a combination of medications, that sort of thing? So when we talk 47 00:03:30.330 --> 00:03:37.050 about the abortion pill, it's actually a series of two medications. The first 48 00:03:37.129 --> 00:03:43.240 medication they actually give them in the abortion clinic. It's called mythopristone, or 49 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.680 another name you might hear is are you for eighty six? And and what 50 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:51.120 that is? It's a progesterone blocker. All right. So they give them 51 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:55.349 this medication in the abortion clinic and what it does is it attaches itself to 52 00:03:55.389 --> 00:04:02.990 the progesterone receptors in the uterus and it effectively tells the body this pregnancy is 53 00:04:03.030 --> 00:04:08.750 no longer wanted. It causes just the blood flow to stop to the Plus 54 00:04:08.750 --> 00:04:13.900 Sinta and essentially cuts off all the blood supply and the baby dies. Okay. 55 00:04:14.340 --> 00:04:18.220 They then send them home with actually a second part of the process, 56 00:04:18.339 --> 00:04:23.980 which a lot of people don't even understand or think that it has a second 57 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:29.889 process. They think that first pill is all it takes. And the second 58 00:04:29.970 --> 00:04:32.930 part is actually called Mr Pro stall, or side attack. Okay, and 59 00:04:33.009 --> 00:04:41.959 it actually causes the woman to have contractions and expel this baby, quote unquote, 60 00:04:41.959 --> 00:04:45.199 in the privacy of her own home. Right. So it would be 61 00:04:45.360 --> 00:04:47.600 it'd be a good assessment to say the first medication. So we're talking about 62 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:51.720 the abortion pill. We're talking about not just one medication, we're talking about 63 00:04:51.720 --> 00:04:56.870 an abortion peel procedure regiments? YEA, and so it would be fair to 64 00:04:56.910 --> 00:05:00.350 say the first medication, mythopristals, which you know it right, is what 65 00:05:00.430 --> 00:05:03.310 kills the baby and the second medication is what puts them into labor and then 66 00:05:03.350 --> 00:05:06.180 they delivered their dead baby a lot of times in the toilet, right, 67 00:05:06.459 --> 00:05:10.660 bathtub or whatever. If anybody, if you guys, listen to ever seeing 68 00:05:10.819 --> 00:05:15.300 the unplanned movie, I think we mentioned this in previous podcast, there's kind 69 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:20.060 of a graphic depiction of that process happening and seem pretty realistic, actually very 70 00:05:20.100 --> 00:05:25.490 realistic from what I've heard from clients and vasitions. that. Okay, so 71 00:05:25.689 --> 00:05:29.769 that's the abortion pill and that's what it does. WHAT IS APR? What 72 00:05:29.889 --> 00:05:32.050 is the abortion pell reversal, and what does it do? Okay, so 73 00:05:32.889 --> 00:05:40.040 when we talk about abortion peel reversal, it's actually not really a reversal. 74 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:45.639 It reverses the process that you've started. But what we're doing is we're giving 75 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:50.189 the woman extra progestero and over and above what her body is already making to 76 00:05:50.350 --> 00:05:54.910 really just flood the body and say no, we really do want to support 77 00:05:54.990 --> 00:06:00.149 this pregnancy, we really do want this pregnancy to survive, and the thought 78 00:06:00.230 --> 00:06:04.939 behind it is that it kind of over rides those blocked receptors and it does 79 00:06:05.019 --> 00:06:11.139 support the pregnancy and it just reminds the body that no, we do want 80 00:06:11.259 --> 00:06:15.420 this baby. Take Pretty simple concept or pretty amazing and it was developed by 81 00:06:15.459 --> 00:06:19.769 one of our very own dietors right here in Charlotte, right here at Cabaris 82 00:06:19.850 --> 00:06:25.410 Women Center. Actually it was I think cabaris pregnancy center at the time, 83 00:06:25.529 --> 00:06:29.089 but yeah, Dr Matthew Harrison and came up with it. Actually, a 84 00:06:29.410 --> 00:06:33.639 woman walked into the pregnancy center and with her mother and said, my daughter's 85 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:38.360 taken this pill. There has to be a way that we can get this 86 00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:41.639 fixed. We have to be able to reverse this. So they regretted it, 87 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:45.360 definitely regretted it. She told her mom what she did. Mom brought 88 00:06:45.399 --> 00:06:48.949 her to us and and Dr Matt Harrison was our medical director and so we 89 00:06:49.189 --> 00:06:54.389 sent her over to him and he tells the story and he says, you 90 00:06:54.470 --> 00:06:56.230 know, I had no idea what to do. I just kind of went 91 00:06:56.269 --> 00:07:00.230 out in the hall and prayed Lord Help me. Wow, what do I 92 00:07:00.350 --> 00:07:03.660 do? And the Lord just dropped this thought into his head. This is 93 00:07:03.899 --> 00:07:09.139 how the abortion pill works. What can you do to counteract that? Let's 94 00:07:09.180 --> 00:07:13.100 flutter with progesterone. And how did he happen to have progesterone? Is that 95 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:17.129 already is there already a met a collapplication of Proteus? PROGESTERONE is readily used. 96 00:07:17.250 --> 00:07:23.209 It's widely used for women who have frequent miscarriages. Okay, frequent. 97 00:07:23.449 --> 00:07:27.730 It's very frequently used in the obstetrics community for things like that. Yeah, 98 00:07:28.170 --> 00:07:30.920 so it isn't what you're doing. I mean, let's say, you know, 99 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:33.879 maybe a bad example your nurse. I'm not but I'm thinking. You 100 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:38.839 know, a kid swallows a, you know, some poison, something that's 101 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:43.240 poisonous. Sometimes a doctor, are you called poison control and they'll say we'll 102 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.110 have them dilute that with a bunch of water. Drink a bunch of water 103 00:07:46.189 --> 00:07:48.990 and that will dilute any of the poisonous effects. That's similar to what's going 104 00:07:49.069 --> 00:07:53.910 on. Or like charcoal. If you swallow poison and they say to take 105 00:07:53.949 --> 00:07:57.750 charcoal, thatple kind of absorbs the poison. Okay, I guess it would 106 00:07:57.750 --> 00:08:01.220 be. It would be similar to that, but it's just like a counter 107 00:08:01.379 --> 00:08:05.100 effective measure to yea to yeah, re verse the effects. In that story, 108 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:09.259 which we actually have a video on our website, the Charlotte cities for 109 00:08:09.339 --> 00:08:15.610 life website, of the story of Ashley Say Yeah, and and so you 110 00:08:15.689 --> 00:08:18.529 guys can check out that story to kind of goes through it's you that baby 111 00:08:18.769 --> 00:08:22.769 will saved. It was effective, awesome testimony. Will get in some more 112 00:08:22.810 --> 00:08:28.000 of the testimonies here, but we do know it's effective. Right. We've 113 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:31.240 seen it's effect. How effective is it, though? I mean I know 114 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:35.720 it's hard to grab a percentage or number and say here's what it is, 115 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.799 but what's the general effectiveness rate of it? Well, as of right now, 116 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:43.669 I think they're saying about sixty four to sixty eight percent success rate, 117 00:08:45.549 --> 00:08:50.509 and we have seen that the earlier these women come for treatment, usually twenty 118 00:08:50.549 --> 00:08:56.379 four hours or less, of starting them on this protocol, and the further 119 00:08:56.460 --> 00:09:01.340 along they are. Now you can take the abortion pill here in North Carolina 120 00:09:01.379 --> 00:09:05.620 up to ten weeks of pregnancy and then you know, if I can see 121 00:09:05.620 --> 00:09:09.009 a detectable heartbeat on an ultrasound and if I can get to you within twenty 122 00:09:09.049 --> 00:09:13.289 four hours, your chances of success are really high. Sixty four to sixty 123 00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:18.330 eight percent or the last statistics that we have. So that's pretty good teen 124 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:20.409 chances. I mean we'll talk a little bit matter of fact. Let's just 125 00:09:20.450 --> 00:09:24.440 go ahead and talk about that. On the sidewalk, because you do sidewalk 126 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.240 counseling as well. Your nurse on the mobile unit, your nurse also in 127 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:31.480 to pregnancy centers, so you've seen a lot of sides of this thing. 128 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:37.200 But on the sidewalk is we're offering the abortion peell reversal and we offer that 129 00:09:37.480 --> 00:09:41.070 in a way that, of course, we're not saying it's a hundred percent 130 00:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.470 that there baby can be saved. In your opinion, what are some of 131 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:48.070 the best ways for us to be offering that? Yeah, I think one 132 00:09:48.070 --> 00:09:50.269 of the best ways, and I think we do it really well here in 133 00:09:50.350 --> 00:09:54.700 Charlotte, is just to have a sign outside the exit of the abortion clinic 134 00:09:54.740 --> 00:09:58.340 letting people know that it actually is an option. Yeah, I've heard so 135 00:09:58.379 --> 00:10:01.700 many women who have called US and come in for help that say they didn't 136 00:10:01.700 --> 00:10:05.779 stop to talk to anybody because they were scared, they were intimidated by clinic 137 00:10:05.860 --> 00:10:09.409 staff, but they saw that sign line and they knew it was a possibility. 138 00:10:09.730 --> 00:10:15.330 Okay, so they went home and they googled it and they come across 139 00:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.850 the abortion pill reversal information. So I think that is one of the most 140 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:24.240 effective tools that I have seen used. And even just calling out as people 141 00:10:24.240 --> 00:10:26.879 are leaving the clinic. You know, sometimes we don't know if they're there 142 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:31.799 for a surgical abortion or if they're there for a check up. But even 143 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:35.750 just calling out if you've taken the abortion pill, abortion pill reversalcom I've heard 144 00:10:35.830 --> 00:10:41.629 many women say that they have heard that and known it was a possibility and 145 00:10:41.750 --> 00:10:45.309 going home and called that number. Yeah, and how often do you get 146 00:10:45.429 --> 00:10:48.909 calls, say, in a typical week or month for abortion pill reversal? 147 00:10:50.259 --> 00:10:54.980 Well, here in Charlotte we get, you know, probably three calls a 148 00:10:54.059 --> 00:11:00.379 month. Okay, at the centers that I work at, but I think 149 00:11:00.460 --> 00:11:05.649 heartbeat internationals that they get about hundred and fifty calls a month and then they 150 00:11:05.730 --> 00:11:11.730 distribute those referrals out to over five hundred providers nationwide now. So that is 151 00:11:11.769 --> 00:11:16.169 actually really exciting for me. I'm like, we have this nationwide system of 152 00:11:16.769 --> 00:11:20.519 providers who are willing to see these women and offer them a second yeah, 153 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:26.919 that's that's awesome. And so so someone calls this hotline and and someone picks 154 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:31.200 up the phone and then how does that person get connected with someone who is 155 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.990 trained, and can you tell us a little bit about your role, because 156 00:11:35.029 --> 00:11:39.909 you're one of those trained people that they call? How does that press this 157 00:11:39.070 --> 00:11:43.549 work? So when they call the number, and there's so many options now 158 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.820 with technology, they can call, they can text, they can instant message, 159 00:11:46.980 --> 00:11:52.379 they can email. To get connected, they call the abortion pill reversal 160 00:11:52.500 --> 00:11:58.220 hotline or APR Hotline, and I don't have that number, but heartbeat international 161 00:11:58.779 --> 00:12:03.450 dot org is where it's run. Through our abortion pill reversalcom you can go 162 00:12:03.570 --> 00:12:07.769 to. Yeah, Turfin International's more of the provider side. Okay, abortion 163 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:15.490 pill reversalcom is the like for instant messaging with patients. But so when they 164 00:12:15.529 --> 00:12:20.000 get that call, they are connected with a nurse and that nurse kind of 165 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:26.320 takes their information, looks at their location, finds a provider in their area 166 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:33.029 and then they call that provider and connect that patient directly with that provider. 167 00:12:33.350 --> 00:12:37.190 And would that be the nurse or would that be the it just pregnancy resource 168 00:12:37.269 --> 00:12:41.429 center? It depends on the location. For our location here in Charlotte, 169 00:12:41.789 --> 00:12:48.100 they call our center directly and normally that is our director at compair swim and 170 00:12:48.139 --> 00:12:52.980 centers. That Sarah Ship perist. She takes those calls and kind of screens 171 00:12:54.019 --> 00:12:58.179 them and then she and I together find a time we actually see that patient 172 00:12:58.299 --> 00:13:01.250 in our clinic. I do a whole medical assessment, we do an ultra 173 00:13:01.450 --> 00:13:05.970 sound to confirm that that baby is still alive and in the uterus and then 174 00:13:05.570 --> 00:13:11.529 we get her started immediately on progesterone. Do you ever get calls at midnight? 175 00:13:11.570 --> 00:13:16.960 Yes, all the time. Huh, frequently do you? Sarah? 176 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.360 You go take care of that that not at midnight. We do have a 177 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:24.039 cutoff for that for safety reasons. But Sarah and I joke that we spend 178 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.509 every holiday together because it never fails on Christmas Eve or New Year's Eve we 179 00:13:28.590 --> 00:13:33.269 get a call and she and I end up spending holidays and weekends after hours 180 00:13:33.309 --> 00:13:35.269 together. Right and if it's really late, we always make one of our 181 00:13:35.309 --> 00:13:39.830 husband's come with us. So yeah, Dane's my security a lot of times. 182 00:13:39.750 --> 00:13:43.259 So the information is so I just just googled on my phone. I'm 183 00:13:43.259 --> 00:13:48.779 sure if people google abortion peel reversal, it's just abortion peel reversalcom. You 184 00:13:48.860 --> 00:13:52.419 know, take them directly to the information they need. In the number is 185 00:13:52.860 --> 00:13:54.659 eight, seven, seven, five, five. Eight hundredzero, three, 186 00:13:54.929 --> 00:13:58.169 three, three, and that's the number that these MOMS would call into eats 187 00:13:58.529 --> 00:14:01.970 and that they would get connected with a person who would ultimately get them connected 188 00:14:03.009 --> 00:14:07.210 rights, connected with you. So walk us through real quick then, if 189 00:14:07.250 --> 00:14:09.450 you can. I think we've already talked a little bit about it, but 190 00:14:09.529 --> 00:14:11.879 when somebody calls, I get in touch with you, you go to they 191 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:16.840 meet you at the center. What what's the first thing you do? Well, 192 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:18.720 the first thing we really feel like we need to do is something that 193 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:22.639 we would do for any patient that walk through our clinic. We want to 194 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:28.429 do a full assessment of their needs, their their social situation, because we 195 00:14:28.590 --> 00:14:33.830 know that that woman didn't just take the abortion pill because she felt like it 196 00:14:33.990 --> 00:14:37.070 was a great day to take an abortion pill. She took it for a 197 00:14:37.149 --> 00:14:43.460 reason. These women have abortions because they're desperate, they're scared, they're hopeless. 198 00:14:43.620 --> 00:14:46.940 So we really want to make sure we know what her challenges and her 199 00:14:46.980 --> 00:14:50.779 struggles are. So we have one of our counselors meet with her and do 200 00:14:50.860 --> 00:14:54.129 an assessment of that situation. We do a pregnancy test and then I do 201 00:14:54.210 --> 00:14:58.809 an ultrasound to show her that baby in her womb okay, and you know, 202 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:01.330 that's kind of where we all hold her breath and just pray that that 203 00:15:01.330 --> 00:15:05.090 baby still has a heartbeat. Yeah, because that's one of our biggest indicators 204 00:15:05.169 --> 00:15:09.399 of if the abortion pill reversal is going to be successful or not, if 205 00:15:09.879 --> 00:15:13.919 is that baby still alive. Yeah, and then, you know, after 206 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.879 that, if the baby is still alive, then we will get her started 207 00:15:16.919 --> 00:15:20.360 on progesterone immediately. Every center is different. That our center we like to 208 00:15:22.190 --> 00:15:26.309 do a two part process. We do an injection first and then we send 209 00:15:26.309 --> 00:15:28.029 her home with oral medication to take. Okay, yes, one of the 210 00:15:28.029 --> 00:15:33.309 questions I was going to ask because I know with one of the other pregnancy 211 00:15:33.309 --> 00:15:37.500 centers, with help pregnancy center, they do just oral medications and then, 212 00:15:37.860 --> 00:15:41.700 like you said, each pregnancy centers different. Each has their own medical directors 213 00:15:41.860 --> 00:15:45.820 decide different things and example that. So, yeah, all right, I 214 00:15:45.820 --> 00:15:50.370 appreciate you touching on that. Yeah, I'm really actually blessed to have just 215 00:15:50.730 --> 00:15:54.250 such a great network of doctors here locally that we work with. Yeah, 216 00:15:54.529 --> 00:15:58.570 we work, I work personally with Cobarras Women Center, who also has a 217 00:15:58.889 --> 00:16:03.559 location in the university area called You City Women Center. In our medical director 218 00:16:03.720 --> 00:16:07.919 they are is Dr Russell Suita. He's just a great guy to work with, 219 00:16:07.679 --> 00:16:12.200 and also work for help pregnancy center in Monroe with Dr Matthew Harrison, 220 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:19.830 also excellent doctor to work with, and they just are so available for our 221 00:16:19.870 --> 00:16:25.350 patients and just really want to make sure we have the ability to take care 222 00:16:25.389 --> 00:16:29.990 of these women the best we can. So very blessed to work with them 223 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:32.590 well. You know, I think it would be great for you to tell 224 00:16:32.629 --> 00:16:37.139 us a story that that folks can can really understand in true life what it 225 00:16:37.259 --> 00:16:41.899 what has happened, if you could. I know we've shared some great abortion 226 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.299 for reversal story. So is there some that stick in your mind? Is 227 00:16:45.379 --> 00:16:48.730 maybe just walk us through what that was like and change the name, but 228 00:16:48.889 --> 00:16:52.330 tell us, tell us about that, that woman situation and and her abortion 229 00:16:52.570 --> 00:16:57.289 reversal story. I think one of my favorite ones is actually one that we 230 00:16:57.409 --> 00:17:02.080 did together, Vicki. Her name is Maria, okay, I'll go with 231 00:17:02.200 --> 00:17:06.480 that, and you know, she had come to the abortion clinic and immediately 232 00:17:06.519 --> 00:17:10.880 regretted her decision, but she actually couldn't get to us. She was at 233 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:15.559 work and couldn't get away and, like I said, we're so honored to 234 00:17:15.680 --> 00:17:19.230 work with people who will bend over backwards to help women and say babies, 235 00:17:19.269 --> 00:17:25.670 and our director said, well, we have a mobile ultrasound machine, put 236 00:17:25.710 --> 00:17:26.829 it in the back of your car and we can go to her. And 237 00:17:26.950 --> 00:17:33.940 so me and you and Kelly Byrom, our medical director, packed up and 238 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:38.380 we drove to Maria's house. And what we drove a few places, because 239 00:17:38.420 --> 00:17:41.740 I recall we were kind of chasing her all over the city because of where 240 00:17:41.779 --> 00:17:45.609 she was working. Or we went to it the pregnancy resourcener, because I 241 00:17:45.650 --> 00:17:49.690 remember I logged a hundred miles that day drive in after Maria, we went 242 00:17:49.849 --> 00:17:55.569 to help pregnancy center in Monroe and she wasn't what maybe did? She got 243 00:17:55.650 --> 00:17:56.970 she was going to be able to come, but she actually wasn't able to 244 00:17:57.049 --> 00:18:02.160 come and we knew that she was fairly early in her pregnancy and we really 245 00:18:02.240 --> 00:18:06.000 felt like we needed to get her started on progester and right away. So, 246 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:08.599 yeah, we ended up packing up and going to her and I remember 247 00:18:08.599 --> 00:18:15.710 her boyfriend was just so thankful and shocked that we would do something like that 248 00:18:15.990 --> 00:18:19.670 just to save their baby. And you know, we went and we did 249 00:18:19.710 --> 00:18:25.109 the ultrasound and we got her the medication and then she came back the next 250 00:18:25.150 --> 00:18:29.859 day and met us very early in the morning on a Sunday morning, and 251 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.019 we were able to you know, just make sure her baby was okay. 252 00:18:33.059 --> 00:18:37.619 Right, and we were all I think it was. It was over the 253 00:18:37.779 --> 00:18:42.170 recommended or right on the borderline of the recommended number of hours after she had 254 00:18:42.250 --> 00:18:48.089 taken the pill. So I remember I went home that night and prepared two 255 00:18:48.170 --> 00:18:52.769 different scenario. was telling me two different ways to share the Gospel, one 256 00:18:52.809 --> 00:18:56.599 if the baby died and one if the baby was still alive. And Praise 257 00:18:56.640 --> 00:19:00.559 God, when we saw that heartbeat, we did a dance for joy. 258 00:19:00.720 --> 00:19:03.240 Did. Yeah, it was. Remember how far long she was? She 259 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.200 was around seven weeks, I think. Okay, so she's pretty early. 260 00:19:07.240 --> 00:19:11.309 Yeah, and I remember just the sense of urgency thinking, yeah, I 261 00:19:11.509 --> 00:19:15.509 have to get her taking care of today, which is why we did a 262 00:19:15.589 --> 00:19:18.789 wild goose chase. But right. And I remember when you did share the 263 00:19:18.869 --> 00:19:22.069 Gospel with her and just that Sama and and the boyfriend, boy, they 264 00:19:22.109 --> 00:19:25.859 were both there. Yeah, right, her and her boyfriend both were there 265 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:30.619 and I just remember them just being so thankful and just kind of, you 266 00:19:30.700 --> 00:19:34.059 know, explaining that free gift that Jesus gave and the second chance that they've 267 00:19:34.099 --> 00:19:38.369 been given and them just looking each other and like why wouldn't we turned our 268 00:19:38.609 --> 00:19:42.809 was so incredible. Yeah, and they both not only saved their little baby, 269 00:19:42.970 --> 00:19:47.690 yeah, little baby boy now, but they both surrender their lives to 270 00:19:47.730 --> 00:19:51.609 Jesus and they ended up getting married because they were so convicted by the truth 271 00:19:51.650 --> 00:19:53.720 of the Gospel that they said we but we can't, we can't live together 272 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:57.480 and sin. They went and got married. They went got married and the 273 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:02.519 last I heard from them they were doing well. They're beautiful baby picture. 274 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:06.160 Yeah, we have on the wall were picture alone. Obviously those were listening 275 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:10.230 to the podcast. Yeah, we have her picture holding her little baby boy 276 00:20:10.390 --> 00:20:11.990 on the wall here, just as a celebration of what the Lord did in 277 00:20:12.069 --> 00:20:17.910 that story. I think that was my first time seen an actual abortion pill 278 00:20:17.950 --> 00:20:22.339 reversal success and it was. It was an incredible experience. Yeah. Well, 279 00:20:22.460 --> 00:20:27.579 you know, praise God for the successes in sidewalk counseling and any kind 280 00:20:27.579 --> 00:20:32.299 of ministry. We praise God for the successes, but there are also sometimes 281 00:20:32.420 --> 00:20:37.809 what seems like defeats. I mean seventy percent effective, praise God it's that 282 00:20:37.890 --> 00:20:41.569 effective, but it's not always effective. Right. There are some moms that 283 00:20:41.769 --> 00:20:45.849 lose their babies. They regret taking that abortion pell they wish they could undo 284 00:20:45.930 --> 00:20:48.450 what they did. They get to you, they start doing the abortion peel 285 00:20:48.490 --> 00:20:53.480 reversal regiment and for whatever reason it doesn't work. Yeah, how do you 286 00:20:53.680 --> 00:20:57.200 deal with those situations? I mean they're I know there's no cut and dry 287 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:00.799 easy way to do it. Obviously we need the Holy Spirit to help us, 288 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.950 but there are stories like that and how do you how do you deal 289 00:21:04.029 --> 00:21:08.269 with that, from a medical perspective, but also from a just practical relational 290 00:21:08.349 --> 00:21:11.069 perspective with them? Yeah, like, what do you say to them? 291 00:21:11.150 --> 00:21:18.740 Yes, yeah, I'm listening. Yeah, well, it's definitely something, 292 00:21:18.779 --> 00:21:22.259 unfortunately, that I have had to do several times. But for me personally, 293 00:21:22.539 --> 00:21:26.779 I just know that we have all fallen short of the glory of God. 294 00:21:26.859 --> 00:21:30.460 We've all sinned, we've all messed up, and you know what I 295 00:21:30.619 --> 00:21:36.809 normally tell these people are I've sinned and you send big time. Yeah, 296 00:21:37.250 --> 00:21:40.650 and there are consequences to our sin. You know, just because we say 297 00:21:40.809 --> 00:21:45.809 we're sorry and we repent doesn't mean that we don't have to pay consequences. 298 00:21:45.890 --> 00:21:51.079 Sometimes, we did everything we could to save your little baby, but unfortunately 299 00:21:51.400 --> 00:21:55.799 this baby wasn't strong enough to withstand the effects of that first medication and, 300 00:21:56.599 --> 00:22:03.910 you know, just coming at it, you know, imploring them to rely 301 00:22:03.029 --> 00:22:07.269 on God for strength, yeah, for forgiveness. Yeah, and you kind 302 00:22:07.269 --> 00:22:14.470 of have to counsel both from like a post abortive aspect and from a miscarriage 303 00:22:14.470 --> 00:22:18.299 aspect, because they've gone from intentionally ending the life of their child to do 304 00:22:18.380 --> 00:22:22.819 it in everything in their power as a mother to save their child. They've 305 00:22:22.859 --> 00:22:29.259 had a complete change of heart and you really have to it's a unique situation. 306 00:22:29.619 --> 00:22:30.930 Absolutely. Yeah, and, like you said, you have to allow 307 00:22:30.970 --> 00:22:33.890 on the Holy Spirit to give you the words to say to them. I've 308 00:22:33.970 --> 00:22:37.809 held many a woman while they wept. Yeah, over you know, the 309 00:22:37.930 --> 00:22:41.609 consequences of their actions. They've said, you know, the Lord is punishing 310 00:22:41.690 --> 00:22:47.240 me, I don't deserve this baby, and you just have to try to 311 00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:49.920 your best to minister to them and where they are. Every woman's different. 312 00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:55.200 Yeah, yeah, it is it. They have done something that is positive. 313 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.509 They have tried their hardest to save that baby and I imagine that there 314 00:22:59.670 --> 00:23:06.589 can be at least a little bit better emotional outcome knowing that at least they 315 00:23:06.670 --> 00:23:11.109 did at that point they had turned back to God and done everything that they 316 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.140 could just save the baby. Hasn't to say it is sort of a unique 317 00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:21.859 scenario we're in that they're, like you said, they're doing everything that they 318 00:23:21.940 --> 00:23:25.619 can to say that Babe. To me it has to at least in some 319 00:23:25.819 --> 00:23:30.089 way satisfy some of that regrets. And you know that's some of the conversations, 320 00:23:30.089 --> 00:23:33.809 because you you had in one of your questions. You're talking about the 321 00:23:33.849 --> 00:23:36.130 pro abortion people and some of the things they say. They say this is 322 00:23:36.329 --> 00:23:40.329 fake or whatever, and I've had conversations with pro abortion people on the sidewalks 323 00:23:40.410 --> 00:23:44.319 and your bortion reversal thing is fake and all of this, and I don't 324 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:47.079 respond to that a lot of times, but sometimes I have responded and say, 325 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.319 well, you know, it's not fake. It actually works. And 326 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:52.920 why would you if you're against if you're for choice, why would you be 327 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:56.990 against them choosing to do this? Yeah, and they've already gotten the money. 328 00:23:56.990 --> 00:24:00.589 Yeah, and we know women regret abortions. Isn't it a good thing 329 00:24:00.710 --> 00:24:03.309 that they're at least able in some way try to satisfy those regrets? You 330 00:24:03.390 --> 00:24:07.789 know, and we I just think that it has to be. It has 331 00:24:07.869 --> 00:24:11.339 to be, has to be good for them to be able to do something. 332 00:24:11.380 --> 00:24:15.940 You talk about empowering women, that they've empowered themselves to try to go 333 00:24:15.299 --> 00:24:18.339 back on what they've done. You know. Yeah, and I mean it's 334 00:24:18.339 --> 00:24:23.690 not like you're they're coming to you and you're deceiving them and not telling them 335 00:24:23.809 --> 00:24:27.329 of the statistics, if not telling them what the risks are, right. 336 00:24:27.369 --> 00:24:30.609 I mean that's part of your initial assessment, right. I don't want to 337 00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:34.890 give anyone false hope, yeah, or, you know, expectations that can't 338 00:24:34.890 --> 00:24:37.720 be met. Yeah, I can't see this. Access is not going to 339 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.559 save every baby. There are going to be babies that still die. Yeah, 340 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:47.000 and babies die from miscarriage, unfortunately. Yeah, there's many reasons why 341 00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.240 women can't carry babies to term, but if I can offer them a second 342 00:24:52.279 --> 00:24:56.269 chance, then I think why would you want to take that away from somebody 343 00:24:56.269 --> 00:24:59.390 or not let them know? Yeah, that option right. Yeah, I 344 00:24:59.589 --> 00:25:03.470 mean that's that'd be my thinking. Yeah, how have do you understand? 345 00:25:04.309 --> 00:25:08.819 Because I don't why people, like so many people that we meet out that 346 00:25:08.859 --> 00:25:14.259 are the pro choice, people that at the sidebook, why would they not 347 00:25:14.579 --> 00:25:18.140 want us to offer that information or help? I mean, honestly, I 348 00:25:18.180 --> 00:25:22.569 think it's just like your side versus my side. This is a pro life 349 00:25:22.289 --> 00:25:26.890 initiative. They're going to be against it no matter what we say. Even 350 00:25:26.930 --> 00:25:32.930 if I gave them every article under the sun that says that every doctor in 351 00:25:33.009 --> 00:25:37.799 America recommends this, I think they would probably still not like it. Yeah, 352 00:25:37.839 --> 00:25:41.839 because it's from the pro life side. Yeah, so there's no basis 353 00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:45.079 in them saying this is fake. It's, you know, this is still, 354 00:25:45.079 --> 00:25:48.799 quote unquote, and experimental procedures. It's not approved by the FDA, 355 00:25:49.190 --> 00:25:56.910 it's not sanctioned by the American Medical Association. We do have some Obie doctors 356 00:25:56.910 --> 00:26:02.069 who are not okay with this. Yeah, because it's not been, you 357 00:26:02.150 --> 00:26:04.460 know, researched very long. It's still, like I said, in an 358 00:26:04.500 --> 00:26:08.460 experimental procedure. Is there any downside to it, though? Is there anything 359 00:26:08.660 --> 00:26:12.740 that that could harm the woman? There are, I mean, like I 360 00:26:12.819 --> 00:26:18.930 said earlier, this medication is used widely for women who have preterm labor and 361 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:25.609 frequent miscarriages. It's the same exact medication. Okay, it comes nausea, 362 00:26:25.769 --> 00:26:29.410 just room right. Yes, progesteron is a naturally clearing hormone that's in our 363 00:26:29.450 --> 00:26:33.960 body anyway. Right. I mean it can cause increase nause like I said, 364 00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:38.640 headaches, fatigue, dizziness, but other than that, I mean there's 365 00:26:38.759 --> 00:26:45.319 not any increased birth defects with it. So I don't know why. Yeah, 366 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.509 but you know, one of the the very hypocritical things not to be 367 00:26:48.589 --> 00:26:52.029 Labor this point too long. But I've had conversations with pro choice people that 368 00:26:52.109 --> 00:26:53.589 say that's fake and I'll ask him. Do you even know what the abortion 369 00:26:53.630 --> 00:26:57.069 peel reversal is? Many don't, but if if they do, they say 370 00:26:57.109 --> 00:27:00.819 what's Pagestro and pogesterone has this and this this side effects. Well, so 371 00:27:00.940 --> 00:27:04.140 there's the abortion pill. Yeah, and it's not being approved by the FDA. 372 00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:08.619 So it's not been very long that that. CIDEOTECH, which is the 373 00:27:08.660 --> 00:27:14.019 second medication, has been improved to induce labor. And they because it was 374 00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:17.529 a stomach medication first. Well, use it was for stomach ulcers. Yes, 375 00:27:17.809 --> 00:27:22.170 so a lot of drugs that are used nowadays are using experimental ways and 376 00:27:22.289 --> 00:27:26.930 not they're all label uses. So that's not really a very good argument against 377 00:27:26.009 --> 00:27:30.000 this thing. I think it is exactly what you said. It's this us 378 00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.440 against them dynamic comes from the pro lifeside. Has To be horrible, you 379 00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.240 know, and it's just yes, the way. I think they also think 380 00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:41.759 that we manipulate these women into making this decision and make them feel so bad 381 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.150 that they're guilt ridden and then, you know, we forced them to do 382 00:27:45.349 --> 00:27:48.589 this to ease their consciences, which is not true at all. Well, 383 00:27:48.710 --> 00:27:52.750 the bulk of the time it's people that have not stopped and talked with us. 384 00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:56.230 It's people that have gone home. That Maria actually researched it herself when 385 00:27:56.390 --> 00:28:00.259 not sure she heard it from us. Yeah, I think they went home 386 00:28:00.339 --> 00:28:03.500 and looked it up on the sactly. Yeah, yeah, we're thankfully now 387 00:28:03.779 --> 00:28:07.099 Google, if you search, can I reverse the abortion peo? Yeah, 388 00:28:07.220 --> 00:28:11.420 the APR website comes up like on the top. That's awesome, which is 389 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:17.329 fantastic. Yeah, so, while this is not the happiest, probably part 390 00:28:17.329 --> 00:28:19.809 of your experience. But how about when things don't work out? You have 391 00:28:19.930 --> 00:28:26.400 a story of a sad outcome with APR? I do have several of that 392 00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:30.039 stick out in my mind, but I think one of the saddest was a 393 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:34.319 young lady who had waited probably a little too long to come in and call 394 00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:41.309 and she ended up coming in I was getting ready to do her ultrasound and 395 00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.990 she was doing the pregnancy test in the bathroom and she just started wailing and 396 00:28:47.069 --> 00:28:51.710 so I went to check on her and she was actually miscarrying into our our 397 00:28:51.789 --> 00:28:56.380 toilet and our center, and I ended up just holding her while she miscarried 398 00:28:56.420 --> 00:29:03.660 her little baby into the bathroom toilet and she just wept and wept and sobbed 399 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:06.819 and said, I would have done this at home by myself if you wouldn't 400 00:29:06.819 --> 00:29:10.089 have been here with me. Exactly. So in that situation, it just 401 00:29:10.170 --> 00:29:14.450 gave me an opportunity to be there with her, to hold her while she 402 00:29:14.609 --> 00:29:18.210 did that, and also us to just share the gospel with her. She 403 00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.250 was broken, she was hurting, she was helped, you know, hopeless, 404 00:29:23.009 --> 00:29:27.519 and she needed Jesus. Yeah, so bad. So in that situation, 405 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:32.039 as you held her, you didn't whisper in her ear you're going to 406 00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:34.799 the lake of fire. I did not. Yeah, we've talked about that 407 00:29:34.880 --> 00:29:38.109 in our podcast. We talked about balancing grace and truth. Yeah, you 408 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:41.869 know, Jesus, the Bible says he doesn't Quinch a smoking flax, nor 409 00:29:41.950 --> 00:29:45.789 break a Bruise Reeve. When someone's already broken, you don't need to add 410 00:29:45.829 --> 00:29:48.589 more to it. But the Gospel does need to be shared, right. 411 00:29:48.630 --> 00:29:52.140 I mean there's there's a realization, and I don't think you even had to 412 00:29:52.220 --> 00:29:55.940 tell her you killed your child, like you right, took part in this. 413 00:29:56.819 --> 00:29:59.420 She already knew that. But yeah, just to come in, because 414 00:29:59.420 --> 00:30:02.980 at that point what happens? Either the devil gets ahold of her. Look 415 00:30:03.019 --> 00:30:04.779 what you've done, there's no salvation for you. You can never be redeemed 416 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:07.650 all of this, or the Lord gets ahold offer and says, come to 417 00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:11.329 me, yes, you've sinned, but I'm a savior, you know, 418 00:30:11.809 --> 00:30:15.170 and that's awesome that you were there in that story. So that's a sad 419 00:30:15.210 --> 00:30:18.809 story, but it's also a redeeming story. Yeah, and God's a redeemer. 420 00:30:18.849 --> 00:30:22.319 Yeah, and I just think of all the other women who have been 421 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.400 sit home, sent home, and done the exact same thing alone. Yeah, 422 00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:33.119 and and been left to be hopeless. And that's when you hear of, 423 00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:37.029 you know, women who deal with depression, post abortion and and suicide 424 00:30:37.069 --> 00:30:41.750 and drug abuse and alcohol abuse. Yeah, it's because of what they've been 425 00:30:41.950 --> 00:30:45.829 through and what they've seen and they have to, you know, numb that 426 00:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.430 memory in some way. So, yeah, it that's exactly where my thoughts 427 00:30:48.430 --> 00:30:55.579 when is all the abortion. Minded determined women who then go through with the 428 00:30:55.660 --> 00:30:59.740 abortion and so many have regret. I believe at some point in that life 429 00:30:59.859 --> 00:31:03.569 all will. Yeah, but they're they have bought into a lie and there's 430 00:31:03.609 --> 00:31:10.369 no one there to comfort them. Yeah, yeah, praise God. You 431 00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:14.569 know, God is a redeemer. God is a god of second chances, 432 00:31:15.049 --> 00:31:18.559 and US just talking about this on the Gospel Center pro life podcast, talking 433 00:31:18.640 --> 00:31:22.839 about the redemption. The even come within the midst of an abortion pill and 434 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:29.480 then the second chance to be able to reverse that is that's that's God inspired. 435 00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:32.720 You think about Dr Matten, him seeking God and pray and say what 436 00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:34.190 do I do in the situation, and God drops us in his heart's just 437 00:31:34.349 --> 00:31:37.589 like the Lord to be a redeemer like that. It's just like the Lord 438 00:31:37.670 --> 00:31:41.430 and that woman situation to have someone there. It's just like the Lord and 439 00:31:41.789 --> 00:31:45.670 Maria situation that have you guys come and meet her and do that abortion peal 440 00:31:45.750 --> 00:31:49.339 reversal. So I think with that, well, you've covered all the bases 441 00:31:49.380 --> 00:31:52.220 I wanted to cover with this. Anything else you wanted to mention in Courtney, 442 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.779 before we wrap this thing up? No, just if you are a 443 00:31:56.940 --> 00:32:00.450 pregnancy center or a doctor that wants to be involved, or even a nurse 444 00:32:00.529 --> 00:32:04.930 that wants to learn how to get involved with this. You can go to 445 00:32:05.009 --> 00:32:08.130 heartbeat international dot organ they will, they would be they would love to talk 446 00:32:08.250 --> 00:32:12.369 with you and share with you how you can get involved. Yeah, we 447 00:32:12.490 --> 00:32:16.039 need, like I said, we have providers, over five hundred medical providers 448 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:20.799 in the country, but they're going international with this. We want this available 449 00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:24.039 everywhere, and the more it's available, the more readily accepted it'll be, 450 00:32:24.200 --> 00:32:30.470 and that is endorsements from these big Ama and FDA will come. Yeah, 451 00:32:30.670 --> 00:32:32.630 yeah, let me ask you. I do you have one more question. 452 00:32:32.670 --> 00:32:37.430 I think you do know the answer to this. How how many, approximately, 453 00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:43.029 how many successful abortion pill reversals have there been, either in our state 454 00:32:43.150 --> 00:32:45.019 nationwide? Would what? Do you have any of those numbers? I don't 455 00:32:45.059 --> 00:32:50.380 have statewide, but an heartbeat does collect data and we try to, you 456 00:32:50.460 --> 00:32:53.740 know, collect statistics so that we can, like I said, validate this 457 00:32:53.980 --> 00:33:00.130 procedure right in sciences eyes, and I think the last I saw was over 458 00:33:00.210 --> 00:33:04.849 a thousand babies have been born amazing as a you know, successfully after this 459 00:33:05.049 --> 00:33:09.329 procedure. Yeah, just hearing that number and hearing that the the pro choice 460 00:33:09.369 --> 00:33:14.240 group says that all women don't regret an abortion. Well, that number immediately 461 00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:16.920 puts the light of the Destin't it? Yes, absolutely. Yeah, thank 462 00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:21.960 you for coming and sharing. You're welcome. We really you. Means you 463 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:24.279 have been my favorite guests? Yeah, but that we've had some good ones. 464 00:33:24.319 --> 00:33:29.390 We have, but we barely appreciate what you do. It is awesome. 465 00:33:29.630 --> 00:33:31.990 Yeah, Amen, it is awesome. All right, guys. Well, 466 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:36.349 we appreciate you listening to the Gospel Center per life podcast. We appreciate 467 00:33:36.390 --> 00:33:39.470 if you guys would share this a share it with friends that work in pregnancy 468 00:33:39.549 --> 00:33:43.220 centers, share it with other people who are sidewalk counselors, people are not. 469 00:33:43.220 --> 00:33:45.259 Just share with all your friends and family. Go to our website, 470 00:33:45.859 --> 00:33:51.460 www dot sidewalks for life, sidewalks number four, lifecom, where we put 471 00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:53.259 out articles on a regular basis. Of course, you can check in on 472 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:57.650 our website, Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org, here locally. 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