Aug. 13, 2020

What is Love Life America?

What is Love Life America?

God is doing some amazing things in raising up Gospel-centered voices for life all over our nation. Recently the ministries of Cities4Life and Love Life have merged in an effort the raise up a Christian witness at every abortion mission field in the...


God is doing some amazing things in raising up Gospel-centered voices for life all over our nation. Recently the ministries of Cities4Life and Love Life have merged in an effort the raise up a Christian witness at every abortion mission field in the U.S. In this interview, Daniel talks with Josh Kappes, from Love Life, about the merger and what Love Life America is all about.

www.lovelife.org/america

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.919 I believe that there are thousands of Christians in the United States and across the 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:12.310 world that they are aware of the issue of abortion and it's impact and they 3 00:00:12.349 --> 00:00:17.989 don't know what to do. Our ministries are now providing a packaged but effective 4 00:00:18.149 --> 00:00:22.780 way to say this is what you can do. I Am Yours, I 5 00:00:23.100 --> 00:00:28.899 am yours, I am yours. Send Me Lord. Welcome to the Gospel 6 00:00:28.899 --> 00:00:32.979 Center pro life podcast. This episode I do an interview with Josh Kappas with 7 00:00:33.100 --> 00:00:36.729 Love Life, about the merger of love life and cities for life, what 8 00:00:36.929 --> 00:00:45.770 God is doing through Love Life America. Stay with us. I felt show 9 00:00:46.369 --> 00:00:58.799 passish, touch your heart, use me love. Welcome to the Gospel Center 10 00:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.759 pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening. Appreciate you guys who comment and 11 00:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.870 leave us good and positive comments, because that's always important, because we've had 12 00:01:06.909 --> 00:01:10.430 a lot of negative comments as of late. So if you would leave a 13 00:01:10.590 --> 00:01:14.590 good review, that would bless my heart and I'm sure it would bless Josh's 14 00:01:14.629 --> 00:01:18.549 heart. To Josh Kappas is here with us today. Vicki is actually on 15 00:01:18.659 --> 00:01:22.420 vacation, so I'm sure she's a joy. That yeah, but I want 16 00:01:22.459 --> 00:01:25.819 to bring Josh Kappas in he's would love life, and we'll get into a 17 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:27.739 little bit of what love life and cities for life is doing together, but 18 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:30.819 I want you to introduce yourself, Josh, and just tell the folks what 19 00:01:30.939 --> 00:01:36.450 you're involved with in love life. Yeahs Daniel said, my name is Josh 20 00:01:36.450 --> 00:01:41.329 Kappus, of the Director of city development for love life, which is basically 21 00:01:41.409 --> 00:01:45.329 just a fancy way of saying I oversee our local staff in the four major 22 00:01:45.489 --> 00:01:49.519 cities that were in, which is Charlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh and Manhattan, 23 00:01:49.560 --> 00:01:56.079 and then also have responsibilities of overseeing our expansion now through love life America and 24 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:02.310 just helping to continue to cast vision and look for potential missionaries and Partnering Churches 25 00:02:02.349 --> 00:02:07.030 Across the United States and even beyond that, as we're seeing the reach of 26 00:02:07.110 --> 00:02:10.750 this go even outside of the United States, which is pretty exciting. So, 27 00:02:10.909 --> 00:02:14.069 yeah, we're going to get more into that here in a little bit. 28 00:02:14.189 --> 00:02:15.419 Yeah, we will. Will jump into that pretty quick and just to 29 00:02:15.500 --> 00:02:19.219 let you guys know who are listening, who've been listening for a long time, 30 00:02:19.460 --> 00:02:22.860 you may have heard because a lot of folks that follow cities for life 31 00:02:22.900 --> 00:02:25.259 follow us on social media, also follow you guys and some of you guys 32 00:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.979 have heard about the merger between cities for life and love life, and it's 33 00:02:30.009 --> 00:02:31.969 one of the reasons why I want to have Josh Own, because he's been 34 00:02:32.009 --> 00:02:37.090 an integral part in that merger and just the conversations we've been having and just 35 00:02:37.169 --> 00:02:40.969 seeing what the Lord is doing is just just been awesome. And so let's 36 00:02:42.009 --> 00:02:46.919 talk real quick about that merger and just what that means. And I guess 37 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:51.400 maybe from from my perspective it's just a natural outflow. It's like the Lord, 38 00:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.759 yeah, has really wanted to take I feel like it's one of the 39 00:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.479 reasons why we started this podcast, to to take what we've learned in Charlotte, 40 00:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.710 in cities for life and the sidewalk out reach ministry and really broadcasted across 41 00:03:00.830 --> 00:03:04.710 the nation, and that's one of the reasons why we put a lot of 42 00:03:04.750 --> 00:03:07.229 energy behind the sidewalks for life website, just helping people get equipped and all 43 00:03:07.270 --> 00:03:10.590 of that, and then partner with you guys seemed to be a natural flow 44 00:03:10.669 --> 00:03:15.819 of that. But talk real quick from a love life perspective, the reason 45 00:03:15.979 --> 00:03:20.780 for just praying through and having these conversations about the merging and then ultimately, 46 00:03:20.819 --> 00:03:23.500 Hey, this is God, let's do it. What was the thinking behind 47 00:03:23.580 --> 00:03:29.449 that? Yeah, you know, I mean look back at our history and 48 00:03:29.729 --> 00:03:34.169 how, you know, cities for life was in existence in the the founders 49 00:03:34.250 --> 00:03:42.360 of cities for life were influential in exposing our founder Justin to what we call 50 00:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.039 the tragic truth of abortion. Yeah, you know, I mean Justin for 51 00:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.120 however many years, is doing business with, you know, one of his 52 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.879 clients right across the street from the abortion. Clint didn't even know it was 53 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.949 there, yeah, or what they were doing and all of a sudden, 54 00:03:55.949 --> 00:04:00.830 because of, you know, the Benham brothers, you know, he's exposed 55 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.669 to that. So you guys are already already running with sidewalk out reach with 56 00:04:03.789 --> 00:04:10.620 cities for life, and Justin feels convicted to, you know, figure out 57 00:04:10.659 --> 00:04:14.979 a way to mobilize the church, to bring the church out in numbers, 58 00:04:15.379 --> 00:04:19.459 not in a protest, but in a prayerful presence, you know, ushering 59 00:04:19.579 --> 00:04:25.370 in kind of air support to what you as they're doing. Yeah, with 60 00:04:25.649 --> 00:04:29.050 being on the ground and actually being the ones who are engaging and calling out, 61 00:04:29.689 --> 00:04:32.490 making those connections, getting them on the mobile unit for a free ultrasound 62 00:04:32.649 --> 00:04:36.970 where you can kind of like take a deep breath. Yeah, process with 63 00:04:38.209 --> 00:04:41.600 with a mom and a dad, and be able to calmly talk through their 64 00:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.560 options and get them connected to real help, to real peace and real solutions 65 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.120 through Christ and his church. And so, you know, we've kind of 66 00:04:50.199 --> 00:04:59.149 like modeled what a real holistic outreach would look like between our two ministries here 67 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:04.149 in Charlotte and beyond. You know, just a holistic outreach, you know, 68 00:05:04.470 --> 00:05:08.699 there really has been modeled to something that I think is unique to the 69 00:05:08.740 --> 00:05:15.420 pro life movement, of a willingness to humble ourselves to one another, to 70 00:05:16.779 --> 00:05:21.449 trust the Lord for provision and not make it about a name of a ministry 71 00:05:21.449 --> 00:05:29.129 or a person or a personality and and say we are far better together. 72 00:05:29.290 --> 00:05:31.689 So we've been doing that, you know, without merging ministries. We've been 73 00:05:31.730 --> 00:05:34.649 doing that now since, you know, two thousand and sixteen, if it 74 00:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.279 is. We've grown in relationship with one another and now, as we approach 75 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.079 the idea of expansion and rolling this out across the United States, it only 76 00:05:45.120 --> 00:05:53.189 made sense that we would really just officially merge and partner together because the best 77 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:58.389 of both worlds where we excel in the area of church engagement. You guys 78 00:05:58.430 --> 00:06:03.699 are second to none in sidewalk out reaching the effectiveness that you guys have developed 79 00:06:03.899 --> 00:06:08.899 of you know, I know your ministries ten years old, but even beyond 80 00:06:08.939 --> 00:06:13.740 that you've been doing sidewall ministry for fifteen plus years, taking all the expertise, 81 00:06:14.579 --> 00:06:16.819 all that you've learned, all the hard knocks and everything that you've done 82 00:06:17.379 --> 00:06:24.129 and now merging that all together and packaging it for pastors and leaders across the 83 00:06:24.209 --> 00:06:27.209 United States to be able to take this and run with it, yeah, 84 00:06:27.290 --> 00:06:30.569 in their cities. So I love, you know, the I saw the 85 00:06:30.610 --> 00:06:35.240 announcement video yesterday and I love the statement that Justin and David and Jason made 86 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.199 that it's not about a name. Yeah, we're not concerned about a name 87 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.000 and a branding and you know I mean we value those things are important our 88 00:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.550 culture today, but at the end of the day, like we, both 89 00:06:46.790 --> 00:06:51.389 you and I and our ministries, desire just to see God's people present and 90 00:06:51.750 --> 00:06:56.310 and loving our neighbor and he's abortion mission fields. I know one of the 91 00:06:56.350 --> 00:06:59.750 things I've said, and up said this to pastors, even as I'm having 92 00:06:59.750 --> 00:07:03.819 a conversation about about cities for life and in time past, trying to get 93 00:07:03.819 --> 00:07:08.300 pastors out there, which you guys have been massively successful and the cities for 94 00:07:08.379 --> 00:07:11.899 life, for whatever reason we just cann't get the traction we wanted with pastors 95 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.339 again out there. But as I'm sharing with pastors, one of the things 96 00:07:15.379 --> 00:07:16.730 I say that catches them off guard as I say, you know what, 97 00:07:17.050 --> 00:07:21.290 pair church ministries like cities life should not exist. Yeah, we're a necessary 98 00:07:21.329 --> 00:07:25.529 I want to say a necessary evil, but we're a necessary component to the 99 00:07:25.569 --> 00:07:29.610 way the American church is geared. It's like peer Church ministries are the specialist 100 00:07:29.889 --> 00:07:32.000 right, and I really don't think. I guess in a big picture way, 101 00:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.759 my heart is that ministry should flood of the local church. Yes, 102 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.439 that's where it should flow out of. So I don't really think that cities 103 00:07:40.480 --> 00:07:44.709 for life, love life, should exist, but I know that we should 104 00:07:44.949 --> 00:07:48.470 to. It's kind of a weird dynamic, right. It's a necessitated component 105 00:07:48.629 --> 00:07:53.949 of church life. And until the church is is mobilized in a way where 106 00:07:54.149 --> 00:07:57.629 the church is really take an ownership of these mission fields, we're going to 107 00:07:57.629 --> 00:08:00.740 talk about that language a little bit too these that these are mission fields, 108 00:08:01.420 --> 00:08:03.819 then love life, cities for life, whatever ministry God Raises Up is going 109 00:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.899 to continue to do his work. And you know what, you said about 110 00:08:09.019 --> 00:08:11.379 unity. I think people need to understand this is this is really important, 111 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:15.050 because there maybe some people wondering like, well, why would you guys merge 112 00:08:15.050 --> 00:08:16.529 together? Why don't you just do this thing together? Really, all it 113 00:08:16.649 --> 00:08:22.050 is, it's just to minimize confusion from because we're we've been together since the 114 00:08:22.129 --> 00:08:26.329 beginning of lives and Suders Life we've been walking step and step with one another, 115 00:08:26.370 --> 00:08:30.600 right, and so just to minimize confusion nationally it's like we've been together. 116 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.480 So let's let's just bring these two things together. Let's do the sidewalk 117 00:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.679 thing, let's do the church thing, and this is really the heart of 118 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.320 God, I believe, across the nation and, like you said, I 119 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.029 think we do pretty good with sidewalk out reach. You guys do excellent in 120 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:48.950 church engagement, and those two things are just necessary components to work together, 121 00:08:48.990 --> 00:08:52.110 right. Yeah, and you know, I agree with you. I think 122 00:08:52.230 --> 00:08:58.779 one of the dangers of parachurch organizations is that they become a replacement for the 123 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:01.299 church or kind of maybe take responsibility off of the church for things that the 124 00:09:01.299 --> 00:09:05.220 church should be doing. You and I are both former pastors and still pastors 125 00:09:05.259 --> 00:09:07.860 at heart. I mean, you know, the calling is on our lives 126 00:09:07.899 --> 00:09:13.570 to shepherd and care for people. But you know, we're busy, right. 127 00:09:13.730 --> 00:09:16.450 You know pastors are busy right, and there's a lot of need out 128 00:09:16.450 --> 00:09:20.769 there, and so I do think organizations like ours and many others that kind 129 00:09:20.809 --> 00:09:26.720 of develop solutions that maybe a pastor doesn't have the margin to do, can 130 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.240 serve the church in that way, as long as we're continuing to say we're 131 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.480 not a replacement for the church, we are a tool for the church. 132 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.149 We're coming alongside of you and we want to be a blessing to you and 133 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:41.830 encouragement to you. And that's what we've seen happened. And you know again 134 00:09:41.909 --> 00:09:46.470 where there is such synergy in our ministries. You know, taking a church 135 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.070 that maybe is, you know, as zero, two, three on the 136 00:09:50.149 --> 00:09:54.019 scale of engagement around the issue of abortion and asking them to start doing sidewalk 137 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:56.500 counseling right off the get go as a big ask, because there's a lot 138 00:09:56.539 --> 00:10:00.700 of fear and unknown about what you guys do. A lot of stigma, 139 00:10:00.779 --> 00:10:05.460 feels, yes, stigma as well, right. And so love life, 140 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:09.250 I think, is let that intermediate step, yeah, of Hey, just 141 00:10:09.370 --> 00:10:13.649 come and pray, come and worship, and exposing God's people to the tragic 142 00:10:13.690 --> 00:10:18.409 truth of a board Porson and then watching with the Holy Spirit does, yeah, 143 00:10:18.610 --> 00:10:22.240 to move them along to the point where they're so convicted and so burdened 144 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.240 that there, you know, it becomes a I think it's a good idea 145 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.879 to stand outside in ninety eight degree heat and be berated by, yeah, 146 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.639 some twenty somethings for being out here to, yeah, offer life to a 147 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.950 family that's considering killing their own child. Well, I know one of the 148 00:10:37.029 --> 00:10:39.190 keys. You know one of the keys for me and if you've, guys, 149 00:10:39.230 --> 00:10:43.309 have listened to this podcast for long enough, you've heard me share my 150 00:10:43.429 --> 00:10:46.669 testimony. You've likely even heard Vicki share her testimony, and it probably rings 151 00:10:46.750 --> 00:10:50.379 true for you to one of the keys. The key things the Lord use 152 00:10:50.500 --> 00:10:54.460 to get me involved at the level that I'm involved in is to get me 153 00:10:54.500 --> 00:10:58.779 out there on the front line and have me exposed to the issue of abortion 154 00:10:58.059 --> 00:11:01.620 where it takes place. Yes, and you guys have been getting them out 155 00:11:01.659 --> 00:11:07.049 there to pray in hopes that, hey, I will take it to the 156 00:11:07.129 --> 00:11:11.450 next level, I will get involved in a way that I would never imagine 157 00:11:11.889 --> 00:11:13.129 that I would be involved in. You know, we have a guy who's 158 00:11:13.129 --> 00:11:18.570 one of our regular volunteers now who the Lord kind of set him up. 159 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.000 His wife was really burdened with the issue of abortion. She'd come out with 160 00:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.320 her church, she'd prayed with you guys and then really wanted to do something 161 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:30.039 at the next level and got involved with us as a sidewalk counselor. And 162 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.830 her husband thought she was kind of offer rails. Right, I mean right, 163 00:11:33.909 --> 00:11:35.070 how you being involve? I mean he knew abortion was bad, but 164 00:11:35.309 --> 00:11:37.710 it's like you're going to be out there, going to be protesting. That's 165 00:11:37.750 --> 00:11:41.309 the way people view it. Yeah, and she started telling him, of 166 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:43.830 course, about what I was doing, but also some of the opposition. 167 00:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.870 He's like, well, I need to go and just stand with my wife, 168 00:11:46.909 --> 00:11:50.139 make sure to my mess right wife. And so he goes in there 169 00:11:50.340 --> 00:11:52.299 to stand with his wife to make sure, you know, she's protected and 170 00:11:52.460 --> 00:11:56.620 whatever, just to observe, and the Lord gets a hold of his heart 171 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:58.779 right then, right there. Yeah, and now he's out, you know, 172 00:11:58.860 --> 00:12:03.210 sometimes two and three days a week he's driving the mobileultra sound unit from 173 00:12:03.210 --> 00:12:07.090 Monroe or to the abortion center in Charlotte, and the Lord just set him 174 00:12:07.090 --> 00:12:09.610 up in that way. Yeah, and I'm sure the Lord did that for 175 00:12:09.730 --> 00:12:13.090 you as well. And Yeah, some measure. Oh, it is a 176 00:12:13.730 --> 00:12:16.679 you know, it's kind of a funny word to say that it's a setup, 177 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.840 but that really is what takes place. I mean, you know what, 178 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.840 what is the the fruit of the Gospel in people's lives? And you 179 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.720 look at Paul's letters and there's two things that he marks in the Intros of 180 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:33.870 many of his letters where he he knew the Gospel came to a people because 181 00:12:33.909 --> 00:12:37.470 of their love for one another and their faith in the Lord. Yeah, 182 00:12:37.750 --> 00:12:43.740 and when you go to a place like an abortion clinic and you see all 183 00:12:43.860 --> 00:12:48.740 that's happening, you know from the whatever you want to call them, Pro 184 00:12:48.860 --> 00:12:52.580 Choice folks, the escorts, the security guards, that you know we've seen 185 00:12:52.659 --> 00:12:56.419 some vile things, we've seen some hateful things, we've seen some really foolish 186 00:12:56.460 --> 00:13:01.129 things. You know, in Raleigh one time one of the escorts started playing 187 00:13:01.169 --> 00:13:05.129 another one bites the dust. Yeah, in the parking lot of an abortion 188 00:13:05.169 --> 00:13:09.889 clinic and dancing. Yeah, you know. So when you see that you're 189 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.480 stirred. When you see the MOMS and dad's going in going out, knowing 190 00:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.039 what's taking place, you see the hoodies, you see the head down you 191 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.919 see the burden on them. If you have the spirit of God and you've 192 00:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.360 been, you know, as Paul Talks about Philippines, to like if you 193 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.110 have sharing in like fellowship in the spirit and the love of God and those 194 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:31.389 sorts of things, like, it's just natural that your heart's going to be 195 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.269 moved and you want to do something. Yeah, like you can't shut you 196 00:13:33.389 --> 00:13:37.789 can't go there and see those things and just being different. And if you 197 00:13:37.909 --> 00:13:41.860 are like that's kind of scary, that's not a great place to be in, 198 00:13:41.940 --> 00:13:46.940 and that's to where then you'll you know, for years the churches into 199 00:13:46.940 --> 00:13:50.899 a degree, has preached about life and talked about it from a political standpoint, 200 00:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.460 but we haven't given our people things to do. You take forty five 201 00:13:54.460 --> 00:14:00.409 minutes to preach on abortion and then you close your Bible and pray and there's 202 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:03.009 no call to action, there's nothing to do beyond that. Like you really 203 00:14:03.009 --> 00:14:07.690 kind of innoculate your people to yeah, the tragedy of abortion that really demends 204 00:14:07.730 --> 00:14:11.360 just becomes life change. It becomes just another issue, right, like this 205 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.559 is another issue that pastor preaches own and for us to just make abortion and 206 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:22.519 the issue of abortion just a common issue. It does do a disservice to 207 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.870 the people, right. And so to see a pasture not just preaching about 208 00:14:26.870 --> 00:14:28.990 abortion, because he should be doing that, and the way you guys are 209 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.750 doing it, and guys, if you haven't listened to the podcast I did 210 00:14:31.789 --> 00:14:35.190 with Justin some months back, please listen to it. And he's he talks 211 00:14:35.190 --> 00:14:37.110 about love life and what love life is doing. But to get a pastor 212 00:14:37.149 --> 00:14:41.500 to preach on the issue of abortion on a Sunday and to get him ultimately, 213 00:14:41.539 --> 00:14:43.179 by the end of that week, on that Saturday, to mobilize his 214 00:14:43.340 --> 00:14:48.740 people and really shepherd them out to the abortion center is is a I mean 215 00:14:48.820 --> 00:14:52.330 that's a move of God in itself. Yeah, and it's really, though, 216 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.570 that exposure out there, they're out at the abortion center, to some 217 00:14:56.690 --> 00:15:00.250 of the things that you mentioned, that really pulls the the scales off the 218 00:15:00.289 --> 00:15:05.049 eyes and lets these pastors and their congregation see this is not just some other 219 00:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.960 issue, but this is the number one moral issue of our day. Yeah, 220 00:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.639 and the way you guys have led pastors along rather than just asking them 221 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.159 to go from zero to a thousand and like five seconds of pastor that's never 222 00:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.590 preached on the issue of abortion right, because he's afraid he's going to offend 223 00:15:20.590 --> 00:15:24.029 some people in his congregation. To take him from that to addressing the issue 224 00:15:24.029 --> 00:15:28.389 of abortion and then to a prayer walk. I mean you're taking them along 225 00:15:28.590 --> 00:15:31.549 little by little, and it's been it's been very effective. Yeah, you 226 00:15:31.669 --> 00:15:39.980 know, the issue of abortion is been politicized, obviously, but it is 227 00:15:41.139 --> 00:15:45.820 so foundational as an as an evil and a work of the enemy. Satan 228 00:15:46.059 --> 00:15:48.940 loves the destruction of the image of God in the Earth, because the image 229 00:15:48.940 --> 00:15:52.009 of God in the Earth is meant for the glory of God. When God 230 00:15:52.129 --> 00:15:54.490 said, you know, we're going to make them in my image, is 231 00:15:54.529 --> 00:15:56.090 going to be fruitful in multiply and fill the earth, we're talking about filling 232 00:15:56.129 --> 00:16:00.970 the earth with image bearers, reflections of God. So Satan loves attacking the 233 00:16:02.049 --> 00:16:04.440 image of God in humanity, and the pinnacle of that is murder. It's 234 00:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.480 the destruction of whether here it's in the womber, outside of the womb, 235 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.519 it is murder, is the ultimate destruction and it is a declaration that I'm 236 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.200 God. Right, if I can take your life, I'm saying I'm God. 237 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.990 When I take my own child's life, I'm saying God does not exist. 238 00:16:18.269 --> 00:16:21.669 And if he does exist, it's me. Yeah, I have the 239 00:16:21.710 --> 00:16:26.070 authority to give and to take away, and so you know it's important. 240 00:16:26.070 --> 00:16:30.549 I'll never forget in February of this year we were in New York City, 241 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:34.779 before all this stuff broke out, and I was standing across the street from 242 00:16:34.779 --> 00:16:38.980 the largest plan parenthood New York City, the Marker Singer Center, and standing 243 00:16:40.059 --> 00:16:41.940 with a pastor there, and he said to me, he said, Josh, 244 00:16:42.019 --> 00:16:45.059 when I was getting ready to preach on abortion, it's the first time 245 00:16:45.059 --> 00:16:48.850 I've ever preached an abortion here in New York and I knew you know that 246 00:16:49.730 --> 00:16:53.690 I don't, but it may not be received well. Yeah, and he 247 00:16:53.809 --> 00:17:00.850 said the Lord brought me to a place where I believed my entire ministry hinges 248 00:17:00.129 --> 00:17:03.319 on whether or not I can preach on life. And if I can't preach 249 00:17:03.400 --> 00:17:08.000 on life, how in the world can I preach on anything else? And 250 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:11.519 that's the kind of work that we've seen the Lord do in Pastor's heart. 251 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.519 So just help in them. See, like, this is not about a 252 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.950 d and an Ur, this is right activism. Yeah, this is about 253 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.190 the glory of God and the souls of men and women and just the church 254 00:17:22.309 --> 00:17:26.910 being the church and so when you help a pastor kind of shift in their 255 00:17:26.950 --> 00:17:30.339 thinking and not get, you know, forced into a corner that you can't 256 00:17:30.380 --> 00:17:33.019 talk about this because it's too political, it's Bologney, and they really can 257 00:17:33.099 --> 00:17:36.660 talk on it and talk on it. Well, yeah, I was in 258 00:17:36.900 --> 00:17:41.900 a meeting with several pro life leaders and one of them made this passing comment 259 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.490 of like, you know, it's important for pastors to talk about abortion but 260 00:17:45.849 --> 00:17:48.730 not preach a whole message on abortion. Nobody wants to go to a church 261 00:17:48.890 --> 00:17:52.569 like that. And that comment flew all over me. I had dress I 262 00:17:52.609 --> 00:17:55.289 was sitting next to Justin and he had to call like, calm me down, 263 00:17:55.329 --> 00:17:59.359 I'm still new to all this stuff and you know, but that that's 264 00:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.960 such a poor way of viewing this. The issues that we have in the 265 00:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.480 church, of they are because we haven't spoken about it enough. Of what 266 00:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.839 God says Hundred Percent Truth, hundred percent grace. We want to be railing 267 00:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.109 on people from the pulpit, but there is much life that we're able to 268 00:18:15.150 --> 00:18:18.150 give to our people when we do talk about this from a biblical perspective. 269 00:18:18.190 --> 00:18:21.269 Yeah, and I know you guys have seen even at the prayer walks, 270 00:18:21.309 --> 00:18:23.509 which is something I guess it should have been. What it wasn't really on 271 00:18:23.589 --> 00:18:29.420 my radar as far as people come into the prayer walks who have abortion in 272 00:18:29.460 --> 00:18:33.339 their past and being confronted with what they had done and, obviously in a 273 00:18:33.380 --> 00:18:37.740 very gracious way, repenting and get in healing. Yeah, before the Lord 274 00:18:37.539 --> 00:18:41.849 even being exposed to a prayer walk or being exposed to their pastor preaching on 275 00:18:41.890 --> 00:18:44.210 the issue of abortion. I know you've seen some of that stuff in the 276 00:18:44.250 --> 00:18:47.410 churches where you guys have been talk a little bit about that, just people 277 00:18:47.410 --> 00:18:51.690 getting set free from past abortions and things like that. Yeah, I remember 278 00:18:51.769 --> 00:18:55.210 early on, even before we partnered with love life, there was one young 279 00:18:55.250 --> 00:18:59.160 lady in particular that was supposed to abortive and was passionate about post abort of 280 00:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.240 healing, and so you know that that brought it to the radar and we 281 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.680 would do the typical annual message on life and there would always be like this 282 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.349 like and intrepidation in me that I don't want to hurt people when I do 283 00:19:11.509 --> 00:19:15.750 this. You know, I know there's probably more in my congregation than I 284 00:19:15.789 --> 00:19:21.670 even know about, and actually quite the opposite is true. There's an article 285 00:19:21.710 --> 00:19:25.740 that karenet wrote and I remember a lady was quoted in there. She said 286 00:19:25.940 --> 00:19:30.140 I thought that I had committed the unforgivable sin because when my pastor preached on 287 00:19:30.299 --> 00:19:33.579 forgiveness, he never mentioned the sin of abortion. And I don't think pastors 288 00:19:33.619 --> 00:19:37.019 are doing that intentionally. I think it's like, you know, kind of 289 00:19:37.019 --> 00:19:37.930 how I felt, that I want to hurt people. I don't want to, 290 00:19:38.250 --> 00:19:41.329 you know, it's like bring up this wound. Yeah, but actually 291 00:19:41.369 --> 00:19:45.450 the opposite is true, that when we connect the gospel of Jesus Christ specifically 292 00:19:45.490 --> 00:19:48.170 to the sin of abortion, call it what it is. We don't have 293 00:19:48.210 --> 00:19:52.130 to soften it. We don't help people by softening sin. Right. Yeah, 294 00:19:52.210 --> 00:19:56.680 like sin is so egregious. The only solution to the sin problem was 295 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.480 the brutal murder of the son of God and him drinking the full wrath from 296 00:20:00.519 --> 00:20:06.079 the father for our sin on himself on the Cross and being resurrected. So 297 00:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.829 sin is egregious. We don't need to minimize that because we minimize the value 298 00:20:10.869 --> 00:20:12.670 of what Christ has done for us. Yeah, so when we do it 299 00:20:12.829 --> 00:20:18.990 well, we do it effectively. We're not angry and railing on people, 300 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:22.099 but just saying what the Bible says and then preaching the hope of the Gospel 301 00:20:22.140 --> 00:20:25.460 of Jesus Christ that you're not a second rate Christian just because you had an 302 00:20:25.460 --> 00:20:29.819 abortion. You're not disqualified for the rest of your life from all ministry, 303 00:20:29.940 --> 00:20:33.420 like the Lord wants to use you. And so what we've seen is, 304 00:20:33.619 --> 00:20:36.849 you know, I believe six women. We have about a hundred and fifty 305 00:20:36.849 --> 00:20:40.930 people. There's been at least six women that I know of that have gone 306 00:20:40.970 --> 00:20:47.210 through post abortion classes in our congregation are now sharing their stories helping other women. 307 00:20:47.250 --> 00:20:48.490 So some of that is in a public format, some of that is 308 00:20:48.529 --> 00:20:53.000 more just like this one on one. But you know, our vocal about 309 00:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.480 it. They're not hiding, they're not covered up in guild and shame. 310 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.880 And you know, a lot of that started with love life, participating in 311 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.670 love life prayer walks. So yes, if you're a pastor and you're listening 312 00:21:03.750 --> 00:21:07.309 and you're just you're dabbling with the idea, or maybe you're just, you 313 00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.430 know, a congregant, whatever you're listening, you want to influence your pastor 314 00:21:11.470 --> 00:21:15.349 and encourage him. Someone what Josh said is really important to share it. 315 00:21:15.549 --> 00:21:18.579 You know, it's just like a doctor that doesn't directly address the issue that 316 00:21:18.700 --> 00:21:22.099 his patient is suffering with. If you don't address the disease, there's not 317 00:21:22.220 --> 00:21:23.819 going to be healing, there's not going to be a remedy that comes right. 318 00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:27.619 So pastors need to be sharing about the issue of abortion and even again, 319 00:21:29.339 --> 00:21:33.210 shepherding their people to take ownership of this issue and to go out and 320 00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:37.369 do something about it where it takes place. And that has been a key, 321 00:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.849 I know for me. Being exposed to the issue of abortion where it 322 00:21:41.849 --> 00:21:45.049 takes place has been a key for so many of our volunteers and so many 323 00:21:45.049 --> 00:21:47.480 of the pastors that you, you know, you guys, are bringing out 324 00:21:47.480 --> 00:21:52.200 there and we're we're seeing pastors who, again, who weren't even talking about 325 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.559 the issue of abortion, now bringing their congregation out, now even themselves coming 326 00:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.279 out with their families, even when their congregations aren't adopting weeks, go and 327 00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.549 cover some of the other abortion centers here in Charlotte. So some of the 328 00:22:03.630 --> 00:22:07.069 ones that are I mean they've got some really vile pro abortion people there yet 329 00:22:07.150 --> 00:22:11.309 and they're confronting this, obviously with the grace of God, and they went 330 00:22:11.430 --> 00:22:14.509 it was took him step by step by step, and the Lord is very 331 00:22:14.549 --> 00:22:18.900 gracious to do that with us, but it wasn't from zero to a thousand. 332 00:22:18.099 --> 00:22:21.059 And that's right. Again. That's one of the things that the Lord's 333 00:22:21.099 --> 00:22:23.579 really used you guys to do is to bring people along. One story that 334 00:22:23.700 --> 00:22:29.180 was really powerful for US friend of mine, she was part of our church 335 00:22:29.220 --> 00:22:33.769 up to start, our church. Her first love life prayer walk was the 336 00:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.410 first time that she went back to that abortion clinic where she had an abortion 337 00:22:37.529 --> 00:22:44.640 ten years ago. Yeah, and like everything in her that morning like she 338 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.240 didn't want to go. Yeah, sure, you know, and which is, 339 00:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.680 you know, completely understandable. And she blogged about it later that day. 340 00:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.720 She did go and she took her kids and and was a powerful experience. 341 00:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.190 You know, it was like a picture of redemption, of what God 342 00:23:00.269 --> 00:23:06.990 does and what's available to people, that he takes our brokenness and our mess 343 00:23:07.029 --> 00:23:10.710 and our things from our past and he redeems them. And now, you 344 00:23:10.829 --> 00:23:15.380 know, she leads ministry. She Leads Ministry to other post abortive moms and 345 00:23:15.980 --> 00:23:19.259 you know, it's just what God does. Yeah, so a man. 346 00:23:19.900 --> 00:23:25.259 Well, you guys are currently are we guys, I guess? Yeah, 347 00:23:25.380 --> 00:23:30.490 as are currently in Charlotte, of course, and then Raleigh, Greensboro. 348 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:36.289 So the triangle the triad and then New York City. But listen, we 349 00:23:36.769 --> 00:23:38.849 know God's not just going to stop it for cities. Right, all right, 350 00:23:38.930 --> 00:23:42.400 the desire of God is at the church across the nation and across the 351 00:23:42.440 --> 00:23:48.200 nations. Yes, rises up and because Jesus Christ has given us this, 352 00:23:48.240 --> 00:23:55.000 this prevailing against the gates of Hale, we will not fail in this. 353 00:23:55.279 --> 00:23:57.430 We have the gates of hell won't prevail against the Church of Jesus Christ. 354 00:23:57.910 --> 00:24:02.950 We know that the church needs to rise up, and so I know it's 355 00:24:02.990 --> 00:24:06.509 on Justin's heart against simultaneously on my heart. Just like man, the Church 356 00:24:06.630 --> 00:24:08.630 needs arise up. We need to equip Christians to be out there, and 357 00:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.940 God's doing it through what we're calling the love life America. Right, so 358 00:24:14.099 --> 00:24:18.460 talk a little bit about Love Life America, because it is going basically across 359 00:24:18.460 --> 00:24:22.220 America and beyond, and that's the desire. But talk about that, the 360 00:24:22.339 --> 00:24:26.609 motivation behind that, some of what that entails and whatever other details you want 361 00:24:26.609 --> 00:24:30.769 to share. Yeah, so you know, when I transition from pastoring a 362 00:24:30.809 --> 00:24:33.369 church to coming on with love life, it was to help launch Greensboro and 363 00:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.369 Raleigh and from that point, I remember early on, we have been talking 364 00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:41.319 and praying about how do we move this across the nation in a way that 365 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.839 it can spread quickly but it doesn't lose the integrity of what it is and 366 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.640 at the same time, it doesn't kill our staff. Yeah, because when 367 00:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.509 you look at what all was involved with launching each one of those four major 368 00:24:52.549 --> 00:24:56.549 cities, it's quite an endeavor. Yeah, you know. I mean we 369 00:24:56.630 --> 00:24:59.910 talked about you know, we have over three hundred partnering churches. Well, 370 00:24:59.950 --> 00:25:02.789 the reason we have over three hundred partnering churches because it took a lot of 371 00:25:02.910 --> 00:25:07.140 hard work, it took a lot of relational work. Andre who is our 372 00:25:07.180 --> 00:25:11.220 director here in Charlotte, who was, you know, started with Justin from 373 00:25:11.339 --> 00:25:17.059 the very beginning. You know that that's our he's our grinder. I mean 374 00:25:17.220 --> 00:25:22.650 we are at where we are at because of Andrei's just relentless work to pursue 375 00:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.490 relationships with pastors and bring them to clinics and move them along. And so 376 00:25:27.609 --> 00:25:30.730 we haven't really had clarity about how do we do that, how do we 377 00:25:30.849 --> 00:25:34.410 move this across the United States? And ironically, you know, when the 378 00:25:34.490 --> 00:25:40.680 pandemic hit and the message of our you know, from federal government all the 379 00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:45.359 way on down to local governments was we're turning our lives upside down to protect 380 00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.519 the vulnerable among us from this disease, because life matters. I remember Andrew 381 00:25:48.599 --> 00:25:55.230 Cuomo said no one would ever choose a human life over a single dollar bill. 382 00:25:55.269 --> 00:25:57.390 Yeah, you know. So we had all of a sudden, you 383 00:25:57.470 --> 00:26:02.309 know, life is so precious valuable, and it is. I'm being a 384 00:26:02.390 --> 00:26:06.380 little tongue in cheek, but so. So we had this message, but 385 00:26:06.420 --> 00:26:11.500 at the same time local governments and and and others are saying abortion is essential, 386 00:26:11.539 --> 00:26:15.660 right. So what we're doing? All this stuff to protect the vulnerable. 387 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.049 We're intentionally taking the lives of the most vulnerable among us and continuing. 388 00:26:19.170 --> 00:26:23.609 And not only was abortion continuing, but it was thriving. Yeah, because 389 00:26:23.769 --> 00:26:26.730 of the fear, right, of the pandemic and all of the unknown. 390 00:26:27.410 --> 00:26:32.210 And so, you know, early on, as as stay at home orders 391 00:26:32.250 --> 00:26:36.519 were coming and things like that, just I just remember just very clearly saying 392 00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.200 if abortion is essential during a podamic, during the pandemic, than a Christian 393 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:45.039 witness is also essential at abortion clinics during a pandemic and beyond. And so 394 00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.309 early on that came at a cost, you know, as you were there 395 00:26:48.829 --> 00:26:53.190 and and and you were threatened with arrest and you were you know, they 396 00:26:53.309 --> 00:26:59.710 tried to local governments tried to use the stay at home orders to remove the 397 00:26:59.750 --> 00:27:03.660 Christian witness from abortion clinics and Greensboro and in Charlotte some of our leaders were 398 00:27:03.700 --> 00:27:07.259 arrested and all of those things started to happen. But in the middle of 399 00:27:07.339 --> 00:27:11.819 all that the clarity came. Let's start asking pastors and Christian leaders across the 400 00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:15.539 United States to lead a small group within the stay at home orders to go 401 00:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.890 out and pray. It wasn't some like government rebellion right. It's just saying 402 00:27:18.009 --> 00:27:22.609 like no, if abortion is essential, Christian witnesses essential, let's go. 403 00:27:22.970 --> 00:27:26.089 Let's yea, let's show that life really does matter. If we're going to 404 00:27:26.250 --> 00:27:30.880 change our lives to protect the vulnerable among us from the disease, why are 405 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:36.039 we not also changing our lives and putting our lives on the line and sacrificing 406 00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.400 to go out and to and to protect the most vulnerable? So that's kind 407 00:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.119 of how it started with, you know, just go out and lead. 408 00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.390 And what we saw very quickly was we went from covering for clinics to covering 409 00:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.829 around twenty clinics with small groups. We're going out on praying and then they're 410 00:27:49.869 --> 00:27:53.390 in a zoom feed and we're broadcasting that zoom feed on our facebook page every 411 00:27:53.430 --> 00:27:57.509 Saturday morning at nine am. And so it just kind of took off and 412 00:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.059 within that we realize this is the front door to expansion. Yeah, this 413 00:28:03.299 --> 00:28:07.539 is exposing people not only to love life, but is exposing people to the 414 00:28:07.660 --> 00:28:12.009 tragic truth of six hundred plus abortion clinics across the United States. Here's twenty 415 00:28:12.049 --> 00:28:15.210 of them. You're getting a front row seat to this from your home, 416 00:28:15.369 --> 00:28:19.970 where you can watch it. And now using that and leveraging it to say, 417 00:28:19.970 --> 00:28:22.650 all right, here's some next steps that you can do so you can 418 00:28:22.730 --> 00:28:27.279 lead a group yourself. So it started helping to recruit other leaders and new 419 00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:33.039 cities. And then the kind of the final component, which you and Vicki 420 00:28:33.319 --> 00:28:40.680 spoke about, the aspect of sidewalk missionaries and viewing the the abortion clinics as 421 00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.910 legitimate mission fields. All of that really kind of took shape during this pandemic 422 00:28:45.069 --> 00:28:51.190 to say this is a legitimate mission field, it's worthy of full time missionaries 423 00:28:51.710 --> 00:28:55.190 and and kind of that model of like if I'm you know, Honduras is 424 00:28:55.269 --> 00:28:59.900 on my mind. We have a mission in Honduras. You know, there 425 00:28:59.980 --> 00:29:03.859 were missionaries that we work with in Honduras who were kind of the shepherds of 426 00:29:03.940 --> 00:29:07.859 that work, the experts on the ground, and we send people to them 427 00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:12.410 to work with them and to develop that's kind of the same aspect. Here. 428 00:29:12.410 --> 00:29:17.289 We're saying the abortion clinic is the mission field. There should be kind 429 00:29:17.289 --> 00:29:21.450 of at least one, preferably two, missionaries that are kind of the experts 430 00:29:21.490 --> 00:29:23.960 on the ground that are shepherding the work. They're not doing all the work, 431 00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.400 they're coordinating, they're equipping their training and then churches are sending their people, 432 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.119 just like a short term mission trip. They're sending their people one day 433 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.640 a month, one day a week, multiple days a week, whatever it 434 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.829 is. But I'm working together so that there's a holistic ministry of the church, 435 00:29:41.190 --> 00:29:45.509 local churches in their area that are working with their local missionaries to do 436 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:51.470 effective outreach at their local abortion clinic. So that is Love Life America and 437 00:29:52.029 --> 00:29:56.740 amazingly, when we announced this last week, unbelievable conversations as people have been 438 00:29:56.779 --> 00:30:02.460 reaching out to us and sharing their stories about how God is burdened them and 439 00:30:02.579 --> 00:30:11.329 convicted them to bring this to their city and one couple in particular there south 440 00:30:11.410 --> 00:30:15.529 of Savannah. They used to live here in Charlotte, so they knew about 441 00:30:15.529 --> 00:30:18.769 love life. Yeah, and they had always kind of said, you know, 442 00:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.480 man, if we ever moved back to Charlotte, we're going to, 443 00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.359 you know, get involved with love life. And as I was talking to 444 00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.240 her and her husband last week, she has started weeping. She was like 445 00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.119 we wanted to do something with love life if we move back. But now 446 00:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.910 love life is coming here and there's something that we can do here in our 447 00:30:38.029 --> 00:30:44.309 city at our abortion clinic. And that's happening from Reno, Nevada, just 448 00:30:44.470 --> 00:30:48.589 got off the phone with someone, and in Visalia, California, Atlanta, 449 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:56.859 Miami, Indianapolis, I mean they're just springing up all over and really all 450 00:30:56.940 --> 00:31:00.299 it boils down to, Daniel, and you know this. I believe that 451 00:31:00.579 --> 00:31:07.730 there are thousands of Christians in the United States and across the world that they 452 00:31:07.769 --> 00:31:11.809 are aware of the issue of abortion and it's impact and they don't know what 453 00:31:11.930 --> 00:31:15.450 to do. They want to do something, but they don't know what to 454 00:31:15.490 --> 00:31:23.599 do, and our ministries are now providing a packaged but effective way to say 455 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.880 this is what you can do. Yeah, and and so you know, 456 00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.480 we'll have our hands on it to a degree, but we really want to 457 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.230 give this over to local churches for them to run with it. And and 458 00:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.910 we're starting to see the the first fruits of that taking places. You trained, 459 00:31:38.269 --> 00:31:44.190 yeah, fourteen sidewalk missionaries to too is a man is almost three weeks 460 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.859 ago now. Yeah, and you know, just hearing the stories from that 461 00:31:48.099 --> 00:31:53.059 group alone of what's already happening is you know, they didn't waste the training 462 00:31:53.099 --> 00:31:56.859 right, immediately putting it into a fat run and, yeah, developing their 463 00:31:56.980 --> 00:32:00.609 cities, developing a network of life, bringing people together, getting ready to 464 00:32:01.450 --> 00:32:06.809 go out or some of them are already going out to their sidewalks. You 465 00:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.250 know, we it's our conviction, with with you and included, Daniel. 466 00:32:12.250 --> 00:32:15.960 I know you're convicted as any of us, that this is going to happen 467 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.400 across the United States and even beyond me, Israel. You know, there's 468 00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.599 there's activity in Israel. There's a things stirring in Australia. Someone reached out 469 00:32:25.599 --> 00:32:31.390 to us today about Ghana, and so it's no coincidence we're seeing the uptick 470 00:32:31.589 --> 00:32:37.670 in Shenanigan's from yea, you know, counts people. Yeah, and those 471 00:32:37.710 --> 00:32:42.990 sorts of things, because they see now the churches is awakening. Yeah, 472 00:32:43.029 --> 00:32:46.500 the church is rising up and it really is just a matter of we're providing 473 00:32:46.539 --> 00:32:50.700 them some tracks and run on. Yeah, they're doing it. Yeah, 474 00:32:50.819 --> 00:32:53.339 so what are those tracks? So let's say somebody is listening to this and 475 00:32:53.380 --> 00:32:58.099 they've been praying about how to get involved and how to get their church involved 476 00:32:58.299 --> 00:33:00.930 and and all of that. What what are the steps? If someone says, 477 00:33:00.970 --> 00:33:07.009 yeah, I'm thinking maybe Love Life America might be that that thing that 478 00:33:07.049 --> 00:33:08.809 I needed to get on board with, what is the process? Yeah, 479 00:33:08.930 --> 00:33:13.319 so the first thing I would say is go to love life dot org slash 480 00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.599 America and just check out the landing page there and you can see some of 481 00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.720 our videos that lay some more groundwork. But the three steps, to make 482 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.480 it simple for you, without even having to go to the page, is 483 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.349 watch, go and launch. So we're basically saying every Saturday from nine am 484 00:33:30.430 --> 00:33:34.750 to about ten fifteen, ten twenty eastern time, we're hosting a live virtual 485 00:33:34.829 --> 00:33:38.710 prayer walk on our facebook page. It's the handle is at Love Life USA 486 00:33:38.910 --> 00:33:44.220 on facebook in and go on there and watch, watch the prayer walk, 487 00:33:44.339 --> 00:33:49.420 pray with us and, you know, engage in the experience of seeing Christian 488 00:33:49.420 --> 00:33:52.059 leaders across the United States giving live updates. This past Saturday we saw, 489 00:33:52.900 --> 00:34:00.289 literally saw a family get in their car, drive out of the abortion parking 490 00:34:00.410 --> 00:34:05.170 lot over to the adjacent parking lot where there's a mobile unit there for a 491 00:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.489 free ultrasound, and they chose life on the live feet. And you do. 492 00:34:07.769 --> 00:34:10.440 We're not putting people on blast and showing their faces and stuff like that, 493 00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.559 but you can see their car and in real time, like people praying 494 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.039 and seeing an immediate answer to prayer in the Valley of decision. And so 495 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.309 you know, watch, watch with US and invite others, invite leaders in 496 00:34:24.389 --> 00:34:27.510 your church. Why, Hey, guys, I heard about this thing. 497 00:34:27.590 --> 00:34:30.110 Love Life. Watch the live prayer walk or right now you can go on 498 00:34:30.150 --> 00:34:34.590 our facebook page and they're all recorded on there, so you can watch some 499 00:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.510 of the prerecorded ones as well. So that's the first step, is just 500 00:34:37.789 --> 00:34:43.219 watch and then, you know, connect with us and will equip you to 501 00:34:43.340 --> 00:34:49.460 go, okay and lead your own group out to pray at your abortion clinic. 502 00:34:49.619 --> 00:34:52.139 So a couple of things we just want to make sure of is that 503 00:34:52.659 --> 00:34:54.210 you know you're a part of a local church. Again, we're not a 504 00:34:54.329 --> 00:34:58.250 replacement for the local church. So you know, we want to know that 505 00:34:58.289 --> 00:35:01.449 you're a part of a local evangelical church and you're in good standing there and 506 00:35:01.530 --> 00:35:07.039 you have at the very least the blessing of your pastor to go and so 507 00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.079 we have, you know, some steps that we can walk through with you 508 00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.360 on that and we have a training website that we can share with you to 509 00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.599 get you prepared and equip to lead a group. We have tools for you 510 00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.829 to use that make it very turnkey and very simple but effective out there as 511 00:35:22.869 --> 00:35:28.510 you go. And then the last step is, as these new go groups 512 00:35:28.510 --> 00:35:32.070 or prayer groups are starting, the last step is all right, let's start 513 00:35:32.110 --> 00:35:37.699 gathering now other churches in the area share the vision of love life with them. 514 00:35:37.059 --> 00:35:42.139 We're looking for partnering churches, what we call houses of refuge, and 515 00:35:42.219 --> 00:35:45.579 the idea there is many women stop running the local abortion clinics and instead of 516 00:35:45.619 --> 00:35:51.530 running to churches for real help and real solutions. And then, along with 517 00:35:51.849 --> 00:35:58.289 partnering House of Refuge Churches, we're looking to identify one to two sidewalk missionaries 518 00:35:58.809 --> 00:36:01.250 that can come to our five day boot camp here in Charlotte and be trained 519 00:36:01.329 --> 00:36:06.079 and equip not only during that five day camp. But you know, one 520 00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.559 of the major reasons we merge with you guys is because of your ability to 521 00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.679 train and equip and encourage ongoing the sidewalk missionaries across the United States to have 522 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:22.030 an effective witness out there. A lot of times what we see in sidewalk 523 00:36:22.110 --> 00:36:24.429 outreaches kind of like the wild wild west. Anybody can show up and there's 524 00:36:24.429 --> 00:36:29.269 all sorts of approaches and it's very it's not very well organized and it's not 525 00:36:29.389 --> 00:36:32.099 very unified. Yeah, and I think that's one of the great fruits of 526 00:36:32.460 --> 00:36:40.420 our merger. And what we're doing is is bringing a level of I don't 527 00:36:40.420 --> 00:36:44.739 know, professionalism does not the right word, but like warmity. Yeah, 528 00:36:44.860 --> 00:36:51.250 you know, like a standard of care and a standard of time tested approaches 529 00:36:51.409 --> 00:36:57.250 to effective outreach that's been in place for the last ten plus years that you 530 00:36:57.329 --> 00:37:00.840 guys have been using, and I've seen over five thousand babies saved and their 531 00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.679 families saved from that decision as well. Is Putting that in place to where 532 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.960 there is a unified affective tested a biblical biblically that's that's that, honestly. 533 00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.789 I mean I'm appreciate you saying that, but that is one of the things 534 00:37:15.829 --> 00:37:22.230 that I admire greatly as the time that I've known you is what I've seen 535 00:37:22.269 --> 00:37:24.510 in your ministry and your approach out there. Sometimes we get a little too 536 00:37:24.550 --> 00:37:30.739 pragmatic with these sorts of things and data and all of that, and really 537 00:37:30.820 --> 00:37:34.659 the foundation is what does the Bible instruct us to do? Yeah, in 538 00:37:34.820 --> 00:37:40.500 these situations and bring not being afraid to bring that to the abortion clinic. 539 00:37:40.659 --> 00:37:45.530 Yes, speak, what does God say about the situation? When is God 540 00:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.849 say about your baby? Was God say about you? And not saving that 541 00:37:49.090 --> 00:37:52.730 for last right, but leading with that. Yeah, because we believe in 542 00:37:52.809 --> 00:37:57.969 the sufficiency of the Scriptures and the power of the Holy Spirit to intervene in 543 00:37:58.010 --> 00:38:00.000 people's lives. And so, yeah, it's very exciting to me, Daniel, 544 00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.000 the potential of what can take place. As you know, in two 545 00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.199 of our cities this week we saw saves for the first time in Madison, 546 00:38:08.239 --> 00:38:15.110 Wisconsin and Fayetteville. Folks who have been going out and they're all different too. 547 00:38:15.230 --> 00:38:19.909 That's the other thing too, is you know, I think the one 548 00:38:19.949 --> 00:38:23.309 guy is is like Filipino, and you have young, you know, one 549 00:38:23.429 --> 00:38:29.699 gals nineteen. Yeah, you have retired people. You know, it's such 550 00:38:29.699 --> 00:38:34.539 a diverse group, but the one thing they all share in common is this 551 00:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.179 isn't a fad, this isn't a neat idea like. This is a deeply 552 00:38:39.059 --> 00:38:43.769 burdened group of people. Yeah, that are just saying yes, yeah, 553 00:38:44.130 --> 00:38:46.090 and I think in one sense, you know, when I share with people, 554 00:38:46.449 --> 00:38:51.170 and hopefully you guys who listen to this podcast list and our previous podcast, 555 00:38:51.530 --> 00:38:55.079 about this being a missionary endeavor, when I share with folks about the 556 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.559 fact that this is a mission field, it helps to tear off some of 557 00:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.800 that stigma which is associated with protesting and making this thing of political issue and 558 00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.159 really just helping churches, helping individuals to understand this is a mission field and 559 00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.469 those we are going out our missionaries. It helps to cut through that stigma 560 00:39:12.510 --> 00:39:15.909 in the light comes on for people. Sometimes they just can connect with Alice, 561 00:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.150 sharing with actually my pastor a couple of weeks ago, just what God 562 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.750 is doing and I was sharing with him. Know we're really contending for the 563 00:39:22.789 --> 00:39:27.739 language at this is a missionary endeavor that those out there are sidewalk missionaries and 564 00:39:27.820 --> 00:39:30.099 my pastors like it's exactly what they are. You're right there there, right 565 00:39:30.179 --> 00:39:34.579 this mission field. Their missionaries yeah, yeah, and so really just I 566 00:39:34.699 --> 00:39:37.380 think people understanding, people are listening, understanding that language, understanding what we're 567 00:39:37.380 --> 00:39:42.369 talking about. What we're trying to do is basically have these mission fields that 568 00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:46.889 currently in our country do not have a missionary, raising up missionaries to be 569 00:39:47.010 --> 00:39:51.530 out there on those front lines, right, and just to see within that 570 00:39:51.690 --> 00:39:55.920 training those people that were there were you know, they've been involved, most 571 00:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.239 of them in some measure, but to really see them embrace this idea that 572 00:40:00.320 --> 00:40:01.920 you're going to be sent out as a missionary. You're not just out there 573 00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.510 is just an individual doing your thing and you're not a prolifed activist, but 574 00:40:07.590 --> 00:40:09.909 you're a missionary. I really think I saw some lights come on with them 575 00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:15.550 when they really understood in that boot camp what we're after, what we're trying 576 00:40:15.550 --> 00:40:17.469 to do nationally. Right. So hopefully you guys that are listening, you 577 00:40:17.550 --> 00:40:22.780 understand what we're what we're seeking is to have these mission fields covered with a 578 00:40:22.900 --> 00:40:24.500 missionary. Yeah, and, you know, just to bring clarity, because 579 00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:29.739 I know there may be some like diehard and missiologists, who maybe, as 580 00:40:29.780 --> 00:40:34.739 parsing words, that maybe we're just being cute with this language. You know, 581 00:40:36.010 --> 00:40:39.769 the differentiator again is what you just mentioned about it being Biblical and understanding 582 00:40:39.849 --> 00:40:44.090 that. We don't just train subwalt missionaries to go out and save babies. 583 00:40:44.570 --> 00:40:47.010 They're trained to share the gospel. Yeah, they're equipped to share the hope 584 00:40:47.010 --> 00:40:54.440 of Jesus Christ with people were we're intersecting because of the reason why they're there. 585 00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.960 Were intersecting with them because they have been brought to a place in life 586 00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.480 where they believe that a reasonable solution their problem is killing their child. But 587 00:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.670 the end goal is not just that the child is saved, it's that people 588 00:41:06.710 --> 00:41:08.829 come to know Christ. Yeah, which is the mission of the church. 589 00:41:08.869 --> 00:41:13.070 Absolutely, we're commission to, you know, go into all the world, 590 00:41:13.150 --> 00:41:16.389 preach the good news, baptized, teach all of those things, and that 591 00:41:16.710 --> 00:41:22.739 is, in fact what our sidewalk missionaries are being equipped to do and to 592 00:41:22.980 --> 00:41:29.619 equip churches in their area to do as well, and that's why we're using 593 00:41:29.659 --> 00:41:32.530 the language of sidewalk missionary, because it is in line with the Great Commission. 594 00:41:32.570 --> 00:41:38.050 Yeah, absolutely, in the discipleship component fits perfectly in with the necessity 595 00:41:38.130 --> 00:41:43.050 for these local churches to be involved and when a mom chooses live so not 596 00:41:43.170 --> 00:41:45.409 just be involved and come out there and pray that's great, but even within 597 00:41:45.449 --> 00:41:51.199 these churches, to identify mentors or disciples that right disciple these MOMS, because 598 00:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.880 that's the goal. Again, it's not to want to minimize it, but 599 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.519 not to just save a baby, but to disciple that mother right so that 600 00:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.239 ultimately that child and that child is raised, that child is raised being discipled 601 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.429 as well. And then, you know, God, by His grace and 602 00:42:04.590 --> 00:42:07.750 mercy, is saving mom's babies, being saved, these children to be in 603 00:42:07.829 --> 00:42:13.510 disciple. And this, this message of life, is covering the entire United 604 00:42:13.550 --> 00:42:16.539 States, from America exactly, and God is glorified through it. That's right, 605 00:42:16.579 --> 00:42:21.340 because that's the ultimate goal. That's right. Yeah, well, man, 606 00:42:21.539 --> 00:42:23.500 that's that's pretty much where I wanted to go with this. That's pretty 607 00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.780 much all I wanted to cover. Anything else you want to mention before we 608 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:30.170 wrap this thing up? No, I just you know, I just would 609 00:42:30.170 --> 00:42:34.889 encourage folks check out love life dot org slash America, you know, and 610 00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:37.489 share it too. Yeah, you know, share it with people in your 611 00:42:37.489 --> 00:42:42.369 network that you know have a burden for this. You've had conversations with them. 612 00:42:43.570 --> 00:42:47.039 I can assure you there are thousands of people in the United States that 613 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.679 are praying and looking for something to do around the issue of life and and 614 00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.949 something that's far deeper than just political activism. That has a place. I 615 00:42:59.030 --> 00:43:02.349 don't want to minimize that, but for far too long the church has been 616 00:43:02.389 --> 00:43:07.469 waiting for politicians to change culture, which they don't do. They follow culture. 617 00:43:07.469 --> 00:43:10.710 Yeah, the Church has. It's not that just we are to be 618 00:43:10.909 --> 00:43:15.139 salt and light, it's actually who we are. That's what Jesus said we 619 00:43:15.179 --> 00:43:16.860 are. So you are the salt of the earth, you are the light 620 00:43:16.940 --> 00:43:21.340 of the world, and that is the role that we played, the pillar 621 00:43:21.460 --> 00:43:25.780 and buttress of truth in society. We've advocated that and that's why we're in 622 00:43:27.329 --> 00:43:30.210 a lot of the trouble we're in is because we've gotten soft on truth and 623 00:43:30.289 --> 00:43:32.170 we're afraid to be controversial and we want to be liked by everybody, and 624 00:43:32.210 --> 00:43:37.289 I struggle with that just as much as the next guy. But we do 625 00:43:37.489 --> 00:43:44.159 have the unique opportunity to fulfill the God given role that he's already said that 626 00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.840 we have a commissioned us to be salt and light and shift the culture. 627 00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.519 And you know, we have numerous stories that we can share if how that's 628 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.469 taking place. But we're not satisfied with. You know just what's taken place 629 00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:00.750 in the last four or five years. And for you guys, ten years 630 00:44:00.469 --> 00:44:05.150 there's still a ton more people, yeah, that need Jesus. And I 631 00:44:05.230 --> 00:44:09.820 mean the reality is we've gotten this country three hundred and eighty thousand churches, 632 00:44:10.380 --> 00:44:14.260 and maybe half of those are Bible preaching churches. You know, some of 633 00:44:14.300 --> 00:44:17.139 these we wouldn't even identify as churches. We at least a hundred and fifty 634 00:44:17.300 --> 00:44:22.460 thousand, I would say, Solid Bible preaching churches in the United States of 635 00:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.170 America. Yeah, and seven hundred abortions, the seven hundred abortion clinics is 636 00:44:25.250 --> 00:44:28.889 seven hundred too many, right, but when you compare it to how many 637 00:44:28.929 --> 00:44:31.329 believers there are, how many pastors there are, yeah, we should have 638 00:44:31.409 --> 00:44:36.050 these things covered in no time. There should be a there should already be 639 00:44:36.130 --> 00:44:39.880 a quick Christian witness there. Yeah, but I'm believing God and we're looking 640 00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.960 for by November of two thousand and twenty one, to have a Christian witness 641 00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.800 at every abortion center in the United States of America and we're going to celebrate 642 00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.110 what God has done, what God is doing. I'm believing God for it. 643 00:44:53.630 --> 00:44:58.230 I'm I know it can happen and so, guys, if you're burdened, 644 00:44:58.389 --> 00:45:00.110 you heard Josh talking, you've heard I mean that. Listen, we're 645 00:45:00.110 --> 00:45:06.510 making it simple. Yeah, it's just three simple steps to get involved and 646 00:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.780 we'll walk you through it the boot camp man. We're making ourselves available to 647 00:45:09.900 --> 00:45:14.260 train you, guys, to give you just the wisdom. You can learn 648 00:45:14.300 --> 00:45:15.739 from a lot of my mistakes. Yeah, Vicky, you'll be there in 649 00:45:15.820 --> 00:45:19.139 the training. Will have others in there in the training. Justin will be 650 00:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.530 there. Josh's there. Just speaking about Church engagement, Andre that you mentioned 651 00:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.690 earlier, who actually had on a podcast several months ago, will help you, 652 00:45:25.849 --> 00:45:30.730 equip you to engage with the churches, give the churches involved. We 653 00:45:30.809 --> 00:45:34.250 want to quip, we want empower these salwalt missionaries to be effective in these 654 00:45:34.289 --> 00:45:36.840 mission fields. So, if you're burden with that, I'm actually going to 655 00:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.599 put a link in the description of the podcast so you guys can go to 656 00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.599 love life America and get connected and see the steps there and you can certainly 657 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.920 reach out to me. For now my email address. You can reach out 658 00:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.829 a deep parks of cities for lifecom it'll be. I'll be sharing my new 659 00:45:52.070 --> 00:45:55.550 love life email address. You guys. Coming up in the next couple of 660 00:45:55.710 --> 00:46:00.989 PODCASTS. You can certainly reach out to me. Please share this podcast. 661 00:46:00.150 --> 00:46:04.269 Share. Like Josh said, there are a live feed there on facebook, 662 00:46:04.739 --> 00:46:12.340 but until next time, got blessed. Give me our love for love, 663 00:46:15.059 --> 00:46:24.170 give me our lift for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. 664 00:46:28.849 --> 00:46:31.250 Nothing's too precious and some met you