What is Love Life America?

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:05.919I believe that there are thousands ofChristians in the United States and across the200:00:06.000 --> 00:00:12.310world that they are aware of theissue of abortion and it's impact and they300:00:12.349 --> 00:00:17.989don't know what to do. Ourministries are now providing a packaged but effective400:00:18.149 --> 00:00:22.780way to say this is what youcan do. I Am Yours, I500:00:23.100 --> 00:00:28.899am yours, I am yours.Send Me Lord. Welcome to the Gospel600:00:28.899 --> 00:00:32.979Center pro life podcast. This episodeI do an interview with Josh Kappas with700:00:33.100 --> 00:00:36.729Love Life, about the merger oflove life and cities for life, what800:00:36.929 --> 00:00:45.770God is doing through Love Life America. Stay with us. I felt show900:00:46.369 --> 00:00:58.799passish, touch your heart, useme love. Welcome to the Gospel Center1000:00:58.840 --> 00:01:02.759pro life podcast. Appreciate you guyslistening. Appreciate you guys who comment and1100:01:02.799 --> 00:01:06.870leave us good and positive comments,because that's always important, because we've had1200:01:06.909 --> 00:01:10.430a lot of negative comments as oflate. So if you would leave a1300:01:10.590 --> 00:01:14.590good review, that would bless myheart and I'm sure it would bless Josh's1400:01:14.629 --> 00:01:18.549heart. To Josh Kappas is herewith us today. Vicki is actually on1500:01:18.659 --> 00:01:22.420vacation, so I'm sure she's ajoy. That yeah, but I want1600:01:22.459 --> 00:01:25.819to bring Josh Kappas in he's wouldlove life, and we'll get into a1700:01:25.859 --> 00:01:27.739little bit of what love life andcities for life is doing together, but1800:01:27.780 --> 00:01:30.819I want you to introduce yourself,Josh, and just tell the folks what1900:01:30.939 --> 00:01:36.450you're involved with in love life.Yeahs Daniel said, my name is Josh2000:01:36.450 --> 00:01:41.329Kappus, of the Director of citydevelopment for love life, which is basically2100:01:41.409 --> 00:01:45.329just a fancy way of saying Ioversee our local staff in the four major2200:01:45.489 --> 00:01:49.519cities that were in, which isCharlotte, Greensboro, Raleigh and Manhattan,2300:01:49.560 --> 00:01:56.079and then also have responsibilities of overseeingour expansion now through love life America and2400:01:57.040 --> 00:02:02.310just helping to continue to cast visionand look for potential missionaries and Partnering Churches2500:02:02.349 --> 00:02:07.030Across the United States and even beyondthat, as we're seeing the reach of2600:02:07.110 --> 00:02:10.750this go even outside of the UnitedStates, which is pretty exciting. So,2700:02:10.909 --> 00:02:14.069yeah, we're going to get moreinto that here in a little bit.2800:02:14.189 --> 00:02:15.419Yeah, we will. Will jumpinto that pretty quick and just to2900:02:15.500 --> 00:02:19.219let you guys know who are listening, who've been listening for a long time,3000:02:19.460 --> 00:02:22.860you may have heard because a lotof folks that follow cities for life3100:02:22.900 --> 00:02:25.259follow us on social media, alsofollow you guys and some of you guys3200:02:25.300 --> 00:02:29.979have heard about the merger between citiesfor life and love life, and it's3300:02:30.009 --> 00:02:31.969one of the reasons why I wantto have Josh Own, because he's been3400:02:32.009 --> 00:02:37.090an integral part in that merger andjust the conversations we've been having and just3500:02:37.169 --> 00:02:40.969seeing what the Lord is doing isjust just been awesome. And so let's3600:02:42.009 --> 00:02:46.919talk real quick about that merger andjust what that means. And I guess3700:02:46.039 --> 00:02:51.400maybe from from my perspective it's justa natural outflow. It's like the Lord,3800:02:51.479 --> 00:02:53.759yeah, has really wanted to takeI feel like it's one of the3900:02:53.759 --> 00:02:57.479reasons why we started this podcast,to to take what we've learned in Charlotte,4000:02:57.560 --> 00:03:00.710in cities for life and the sidewalkout reach ministry and really broadcasted across4100:03:00.830 --> 00:03:04.710the nation, and that's one ofthe reasons why we put a lot of4200:03:04.750 --> 00:03:07.229energy behind the sidewalks for life website, just helping people get equipped and all4300:03:07.270 --> 00:03:10.590of that, and then partner withyou guys seemed to be a natural flow4400:03:10.669 --> 00:03:15.819of that. But talk real quickfrom a love life perspective, the reason4500:03:15.979 --> 00:03:20.780for just praying through and having theseconversations about the merging and then ultimately,4600:03:20.819 --> 00:03:23.500Hey, this is God, let'sdo it. What was the thinking behind4700:03:23.580 --> 00:03:29.449that? Yeah, you know,I mean look back at our history and4800:03:29.729 --> 00:03:34.169how, you know, cities forlife was in existence in the the founders4900:03:34.250 --> 00:03:42.360of cities for life were influential inexposing our founder Justin to what we call5000:03:42.439 --> 00:03:46.039the tragic truth of abortion. Yeah, you know, I mean Justin for5100:03:46.840 --> 00:03:50.120however many years, is doing businesswith, you know, one of his5200:03:50.240 --> 00:03:52.879clients right across the street from theabortion. Clint didn't even know it was5300:03:52.919 --> 00:03:55.949there, yeah, or what theywere doing and all of a sudden,5400:03:55.949 --> 00:04:00.830because of, you know, theBenham brothers, you know, he's exposed5500:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.669to that. So you guys arealready already running with sidewalk out reach with5600:04:03.789 --> 00:04:10.620cities for life, and Justin feelsconvicted to, you know, figure out5700:04:10.659 --> 00:04:14.979a way to mobilize the church,to bring the church out in numbers,5800:04:15.379 --> 00:04:19.459not in a protest, but ina prayerful presence, you know, ushering5900:04:19.579 --> 00:04:25.370in kind of air support to whatyou as they're doing. Yeah, with6000:04:25.649 --> 00:04:29.050being on the ground and actually beingthe ones who are engaging and calling out,6100:04:29.689 --> 00:04:32.490making those connections, getting them onthe mobile unit for a free ultrasound6200:04:32.649 --> 00:04:36.970where you can kind of like takea deep breath. Yeah, process with6300:04:38.209 --> 00:04:41.600with a mom and a dad,and be able to calmly talk through their6400:04:41.879 --> 00:04:46.560options and get them connected to realhelp, to real peace and real solutions6500:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.120through Christ and his church. Andso, you know, we've kind of6600:04:50.199 --> 00:04:59.149like modeled what a real holistic outreachwould look like between our two ministries here6700:04:59.230 --> 00:05:04.149in Charlotte and beyond. You know, just a holistic outreach, you know,6800:05:04.470 --> 00:05:08.699there really has been modeled to somethingthat I think is unique to the6900:05:08.740 --> 00:05:15.420pro life movement, of a willingnessto humble ourselves to one another, to7000:05:16.779 --> 00:05:21.449trust the Lord for provision and notmake it about a name of a ministry7100:05:21.449 --> 00:05:29.129or a person or a personality andand say we are far better together.7200:05:29.290 --> 00:05:31.689So we've been doing that, youknow, without merging ministries. We've been7300:05:31.730 --> 00:05:34.649doing that now since, you know, two thousand and sixteen, if it7400:05:34.800 --> 00:05:40.279is. We've grown in relationship withone another and now, as we approach7500:05:40.480 --> 00:05:45.079the idea of expansion and rolling thisout across the United States, it only7600:05:45.120 --> 00:05:53.189made sense that we would really justofficially merge and partner together because the best7700:05:53.269 --> 00:05:58.389of both worlds where we excel inthe area of church engagement. You guys7800:05:58.430 --> 00:06:03.699are second to none in sidewalk outreaching the effectiveness that you guys have developed7900:06:03.899 --> 00:06:08.899of you know, I know yourministries ten years old, but even beyond8000:06:08.939 --> 00:06:13.740that you've been doing sidewall ministry forfifteen plus years, taking all the expertise,8100:06:14.579 --> 00:06:16.819all that you've learned, all thehard knocks and everything that you've done8200:06:17.379 --> 00:06:24.129and now merging that all together andpackaging it for pastors and leaders across the8300:06:24.209 --> 00:06:27.209United States to be able to takethis and run with it, yeah,8400:06:27.290 --> 00:06:30.569in their cities. So I love, you know, the I saw the8500:06:30.610 --> 00:06:35.240announcement video yesterday and I love thestatement that Justin and David and Jason made8600:06:35.319 --> 00:06:40.199that it's not about a name.Yeah, we're not concerned about a name8700:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.000and a branding and you know Imean we value those things are important our8800:06:44.040 --> 00:06:46.550culture today, but at the endof the day, like we, both8900:06:46.790 --> 00:06:51.389you and I and our ministries,desire just to see God's people present and9000:06:51.750 --> 00:06:56.310and loving our neighbor and he's abortionmission fields. I know one of the9100:06:56.350 --> 00:06:59.750things I've said, and up saidthis to pastors, even as I'm having9200:06:59.750 --> 00:07:03.819a conversation about about cities for lifeand in time past, trying to get9300:07:03.819 --> 00:07:08.300pastors out there, which you guyshave been massively successful and the cities for9400:07:08.379 --> 00:07:11.899life, for whatever reason we justcann't get the traction we wanted with pastors9500:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.339again out there. But as I'msharing with pastors, one of the things9600:07:15.379 --> 00:07:16.730I say that catches them off guardas I say, you know what,9700:07:17.050 --> 00:07:21.290pair church ministries like cities life shouldnot exist. Yeah, we're a necessary9800:07:21.329 --> 00:07:25.529I want to say a necessary evil, but we're a necessary component to the9900:07:25.569 --> 00:07:29.610way the American church is geared.It's like peer Church ministries are the specialist10000:07:29.889 --> 00:07:32.000right, and I really don't think. I guess in a big picture way,10100:07:33.160 --> 00:07:36.759my heart is that ministry should floodof the local church. Yes,10200:07:36.800 --> 00:07:40.439that's where it should flow out of. So I don't really think that cities10300:07:40.480 --> 00:07:44.709for life, love life, shouldexist, but I know that we should10400:07:44.949 --> 00:07:48.470to. It's kind of a weirddynamic, right. It's a necessitated component10500:07:48.629 --> 00:07:53.949of church life. And until thechurch is is mobilized in a way where10600:07:54.149 --> 00:07:57.629the church is really take an ownershipof these mission fields, we're going to10700:07:57.629 --> 00:08:00.740talk about that language a little bittoo these that these are mission fields,10800:08:01.420 --> 00:08:03.819then love life, cities for life, whatever ministry God Raises Up is going10900:08:03.819 --> 00:08:07.899to continue to do his work.And you know what, you said about11000:08:09.019 --> 00:08:11.379unity. I think people need tounderstand this is this is really important,11100:08:11.420 --> 00:08:15.050because there maybe some people wondering like, well, why would you guys merge11200:08:15.050 --> 00:08:16.529together? Why don't you just dothis thing together? Really, all it11300:08:16.649 --> 00:08:22.050is, it's just to minimize confusionfrom because we're we've been together since the11400:08:22.129 --> 00:08:26.329beginning of lives and Suders Life we'vebeen walking step and step with one another,11500:08:26.370 --> 00:08:30.600right, and so just to minimizeconfusion nationally it's like we've been together.11600:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.480So let's let's just bring these twothings together. Let's do the sidewalk11700:08:33.519 --> 00:08:37.679thing, let's do the church thing, and this is really the heart of11800:08:37.720 --> 00:08:39.320God, I believe, across thenation and, like you said, I11900:08:39.440 --> 00:08:43.029think we do pretty good with sidewalkout reach. You guys do excellent in12000:08:43.110 --> 00:08:48.950church engagement, and those two thingsare just necessary components to work together,12100:08:48.990 --> 00:08:52.110right. Yeah, and you know, I agree with you. I think12200:08:52.230 --> 00:08:58.779one of the dangers of parachurch organizationsis that they become a replacement for the12300:08:58.860 --> 00:09:01.299church or kind of maybe take responsibilityoff of the church for things that the12400:09:01.299 --> 00:09:05.220church should be doing. You andI are both former pastors and still pastors12500:09:05.259 --> 00:09:07.860at heart. I mean, youknow, the calling is on our lives12600:09:07.899 --> 00:09:13.570to shepherd and care for people.But you know, we're busy, right.12700:09:13.730 --> 00:09:16.450You know pastors are busy right,and there's a lot of need out12800:09:16.450 --> 00:09:20.769there, and so I do thinkorganizations like ours and many others that kind12900:09:20.809 --> 00:09:26.720of develop solutions that maybe a pastordoesn't have the margin to do, can13000:09:26.879 --> 00:09:31.240serve the church in that way,as long as we're continuing to say we're13100:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.480not a replacement for the church,we are a tool for the church.13200:09:35.600 --> 00:09:39.149We're coming alongside of you and wewant to be a blessing to you and13300:09:39.269 --> 00:09:41.830encouragement to you. And that's whatwe've seen happened. And you know again13400:09:41.909 --> 00:09:46.470where there is such synergy in ourministries. You know, taking a church13500:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.070that maybe is, you know,as zero, two, three on the13600:09:50.149 --> 00:09:54.019scale of engagement around the issue ofabortion and asking them to start doing sidewalk13700:09:54.100 --> 00:09:56.500counseling right off the get go asa big ask, because there's a lot13800:09:56.539 --> 00:10:00.700of fear and unknown about what youguys do. A lot of stigma,13900:10:00.779 --> 00:10:05.460feels, yes, stigma as well, right. And so love life,14000:10:05.460 --> 00:10:09.250I think, is let that intermediatestep, yeah, of Hey, just14100:10:09.370 --> 00:10:13.649come and pray, come and worship, and exposing God's people to the tragic14200:10:13.690 --> 00:10:18.409truth of a board Porson and thenwatching with the Holy Spirit does, yeah,14300:10:18.610 --> 00:10:22.240to move them along to the pointwhere they're so convicted and so burdened14400:10:22.840 --> 00:10:26.240that there, you know, itbecomes a I think it's a good idea14500:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.879to stand outside in ninety eight degreeheat and be berated by, yeah,14600:10:30.000 --> 00:10:33.639some twenty somethings for being out hereto, yeah, offer life to a14700:10:33.759 --> 00:10:37.950family that's considering killing their own child. Well, I know one of the14800:10:37.029 --> 00:10:39.190keys. You know one of thekeys for me and if you've, guys,14900:10:39.230 --> 00:10:43.309have listened to this podcast for longenough, you've heard me share my15000:10:43.429 --> 00:10:46.669testimony. You've likely even heard Vickishare her testimony, and it probably rings15100:10:46.750 --> 00:10:50.379true for you to one of thekeys. The key things the Lord use15200:10:50.500 --> 00:10:54.460to get me involved at the levelthat I'm involved in is to get me15300:10:54.500 --> 00:10:58.779out there on the front line andhave me exposed to the issue of abortion15400:10:58.059 --> 00:11:01.620where it takes place. Yes,and you guys have been getting them out15500:11:01.659 --> 00:11:07.049there to pray in hopes that,hey, I will take it to the15600:11:07.129 --> 00:11:11.450next level, I will get involvedin a way that I would never imagine15700:11:11.889 --> 00:11:13.129that I would be involved in.You know, we have a guy who's15800:11:13.129 --> 00:11:18.570one of our regular volunteers now whothe Lord kind of set him up.15900:11:18.960 --> 00:11:22.000His wife was really burdened with theissue of abortion. She'd come out with16000:11:22.120 --> 00:11:24.320her church, she'd prayed with youguys and then really wanted to do something16100:11:24.360 --> 00:11:30.039at the next level and got involvedwith us as a sidewalk counselor. And16200:11:30.240 --> 00:11:33.830her husband thought she was kind ofoffer rails. Right, I mean right,16300:11:33.909 --> 00:11:35.070how you being involve? I meanhe knew abortion was bad, but16400:11:35.309 --> 00:11:37.710it's like you're going to be outthere, going to be protesting. That's16500:11:37.750 --> 00:11:41.309the way people view it. Yeah, and she started telling him, of16600:11:41.429 --> 00:11:43.830course, about what I was doing, but also some of the opposition.16700:11:43.950 --> 00:11:46.870He's like, well, I needto go and just stand with my wife,16800:11:46.909 --> 00:11:50.139make sure to my mess right wife. And so he goes in there16900:11:50.340 --> 00:11:52.299to stand with his wife to makesure, you know, she's protected and17000:11:52.460 --> 00:11:56.620whatever, just to observe, andthe Lord gets a hold of his heart17100:11:56.620 --> 00:11:58.779right then, right there. Yeah, and now he's out, you know,17200:11:58.860 --> 00:12:03.210sometimes two and three days a weekhe's driving the mobileultra sound unit from17300:12:03.210 --> 00:12:07.090Monroe or to the abortion center inCharlotte, and the Lord just set him17400:12:07.090 --> 00:12:09.610up in that way. Yeah,and I'm sure the Lord did that for17500:12:09.730 --> 00:12:13.090you as well. And Yeah,some measure. Oh, it is a17600:12:13.730 --> 00:12:16.679you know, it's kind of afunny word to say that it's a setup,17700:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.840but that really is what takes place. I mean, you know what,17800:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.840what is the the fruit of theGospel in people's lives? And you17900:12:24.960 --> 00:12:28.720look at Paul's letters and there's twothings that he marks in the Intros of18000:12:28.200 --> 00:12:33.870many of his letters where he heknew the Gospel came to a people because18100:12:33.909 --> 00:12:37.470of their love for one another andtheir faith in the Lord. Yeah,18200:12:37.750 --> 00:12:43.740and when you go to a placelike an abortion clinic and you see all18300:12:43.860 --> 00:12:48.740that's happening, you know from thewhatever you want to call them, Pro18400:12:48.860 --> 00:12:52.580Choice folks, the escorts, thesecurity guards, that you know we've seen18500:12:52.659 --> 00:12:56.419some vile things, we've seen somehateful things, we've seen some really foolish18600:12:56.460 --> 00:13:01.129things. You know, in Raleighone time one of the escorts started playing18700:13:01.169 --> 00:13:05.129another one bites the dust. Yeah, in the parking lot of an abortion18800:13:05.169 --> 00:13:09.889clinic and dancing. Yeah, youknow. So when you see that you're18900:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.480stirred. When you see the MOMSand dad's going in going out, knowing19000:13:13.519 --> 00:13:18.039what's taking place, you see thehoodies, you see the head down you19100:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.919see the burden on them. Ifyou have the spirit of God and you've19200:13:20.960 --> 00:13:24.360been, you know, as PaulTalks about Philippines, to like if you19300:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.110have sharing in like fellowship in thespirit and the love of God and those19400:13:28.149 --> 00:13:31.389sorts of things, like, it'sjust natural that your heart's going to be19500:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.269moved and you want to do something. Yeah, like you can't shut you19600:13:33.389 --> 00:13:37.789can't go there and see those thingsand just being different. And if you19700:13:37.909 --> 00:13:41.860are like that's kind of scary,that's not a great place to be in,19800:13:41.940 --> 00:13:46.940and that's to where then you'll youknow, for years the churches into19900:13:46.940 --> 00:13:50.899a degree, has preached about lifeand talked about it from a political standpoint,20000:13:50.899 --> 00:13:54.460but we haven't given our people thingsto do. You take forty five20100:13:54.460 --> 00:14:00.409minutes to preach on abortion and thenyou close your Bible and pray and there's20200:14:00.529 --> 00:14:03.009no call to action, there's nothingto do beyond that. Like you really20300:14:03.009 --> 00:14:07.690kind of innoculate your people to yeah, the tragedy of abortion that really demends20400:14:07.730 --> 00:14:11.360just becomes life change. It becomesjust another issue, right, like this20500:14:11.480 --> 00:14:16.559is another issue that pastor preaches ownand for us to just make abortion and20600:14:16.639 --> 00:14:22.519the issue of abortion just a commonissue. It does do a disservice to20700:14:22.559 --> 00:14:26.870the people, right. And soto see a pasture not just preaching about20800:14:26.870 --> 00:14:28.990abortion, because he should be doingthat, and the way you guys are20900:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.750doing it, and guys, ifyou haven't listened to the podcast I did21000:14:31.789 --> 00:14:35.190with Justin some months back, pleaselisten to it. And he's he talks21100:14:35.190 --> 00:14:37.110about love life and what love lifeis doing. But to get a pastor21200:14:37.149 --> 00:14:41.500to preach on the issue of abortionon a Sunday and to get him ultimately,21300:14:41.539 --> 00:14:43.179by the end of that week,on that Saturday, to mobilize his21400:14:43.340 --> 00:14:48.740people and really shepherd them out tothe abortion center is is a I mean21500:14:48.820 --> 00:14:52.330that's a move of God in itself. Yeah, and it's really, though,21600:14:52.570 --> 00:14:56.570that exposure out there, they're outat the abortion center, to some21700:14:56.690 --> 00:15:00.250of the things that you mentioned,that really pulls the the scales off the21800:15:00.289 --> 00:15:05.049eyes and lets these pastors and theircongregation see this is not just some other21900:15:05.250 --> 00:15:09.960issue, but this is the numberone moral issue of our day. Yeah,22000:15:09.279 --> 00:15:13.639and the way you guys have ledpastors along rather than just asking them22100:15:13.679 --> 00:15:18.159to go from zero to a thousandand like five seconds of pastor that's never22200:15:18.240 --> 00:15:20.590preached on the issue of abortion right, because he's afraid he's going to offend22300:15:20.590 --> 00:15:24.029some people in his congregation. Totake him from that to addressing the issue22400:15:24.029 --> 00:15:28.389of abortion and then to a prayerwalk. I mean you're taking them along22500:15:28.590 --> 00:15:31.549little by little, and it's beenit's been very effective. Yeah, you22600:15:31.669 --> 00:15:39.980know, the issue of abortion isbeen politicized, obviously, but it is22700:15:41.139 --> 00:15:45.820so foundational as an as an eviland a work of the enemy. Satan22800:15:46.059 --> 00:15:48.940loves the destruction of the image ofGod in the Earth, because the image22900:15:48.940 --> 00:15:52.009of God in the Earth is meantfor the glory of God. When God23000:15:52.129 --> 00:15:54.490said, you know, we're goingto make them in my image, is23100:15:54.529 --> 00:15:56.090going to be fruitful in multiply andfill the earth, we're talking about filling23200:15:56.129 --> 00:16:00.970the earth with image bearers, reflectionsof God. So Satan loves attacking the23300:16:02.049 --> 00:16:04.440image of God in humanity, andthe pinnacle of that is murder. It's23400:16:04.480 --> 00:16:07.480the destruction of whether here it's inthe womber, outside of the womb,23500:16:07.519 --> 00:16:11.519it is murder, is the ultimatedestruction and it is a declaration that I'm23600:16:11.639 --> 00:16:15.200God. Right, if I cantake your life, I'm saying I'm God.23700:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.990When I take my own child's life, I'm saying God does not exist.23800:16:18.269 --> 00:16:21.669And if he does exist, it'sme. Yeah, I have the23900:16:21.710 --> 00:16:26.070authority to give and to take away, and so you know it's important.24000:16:26.070 --> 00:16:30.549I'll never forget in February of thisyear we were in New York City,24100:16:30.669 --> 00:16:34.779before all this stuff broke out,and I was standing across the street from24200:16:34.779 --> 00:16:38.980the largest plan parenthood New York City, the Marker Singer Center, and standing24300:16:40.059 --> 00:16:41.940with a pastor there, and hesaid to me, he said, Josh,24400:16:42.019 --> 00:16:45.059when I was getting ready to preachon abortion, it's the first time24500:16:45.059 --> 00:16:48.850I've ever preached an abortion here inNew York and I knew you know that24600:16:49.730 --> 00:16:53.690I don't, but it may notbe received well. Yeah, and he24700:16:53.809 --> 00:17:00.850said the Lord brought me to aplace where I believed my entire ministry hinges24800:17:00.129 --> 00:17:03.319on whether or not I can preachon life. And if I can't preach24900:17:03.400 --> 00:17:08.000on life, how in the worldcan I preach on anything else? And25000:17:08.480 --> 00:17:11.519that's the kind of work that we'veseen the Lord do in Pastor's heart.25100:17:11.559 --> 00:17:15.519So just help in them. See, like, this is not about a25200:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.950d and an Ur, this isright activism. Yeah, this is about25300:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.190the glory of God and the soulsof men and women and just the church25400:17:22.309 --> 00:17:26.910being the church and so when youhelp a pastor kind of shift in their25500:17:26.950 --> 00:17:30.339thinking and not get, you know, forced into a corner that you can't25600:17:30.380 --> 00:17:33.019talk about this because it's too political, it's Bologney, and they really can25700:17:33.099 --> 00:17:36.660talk on it and talk on it. Well, yeah, I was in25800:17:36.900 --> 00:17:41.900a meeting with several pro life leadersand one of them made this passing comment25900:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.490of like, you know, it'simportant for pastors to talk about abortion but26000:17:45.849 --> 00:17:48.730not preach a whole message on abortion. Nobody wants to go to a church26100:17:48.890 --> 00:17:52.569like that. And that comment flewall over me. I had dress I26200:17:52.609 --> 00:17:55.289was sitting next to Justin and hehad to call like, calm me down,26300:17:55.329 --> 00:17:59.359I'm still new to all this stuffand you know, but that that's26400:17:59.440 --> 00:18:03.960such a poor way of viewing this. The issues that we have in the26500:18:03.960 --> 00:18:07.480church, of they are because wehaven't spoken about it enough. Of what26600:18:07.720 --> 00:18:11.839God says Hundred Percent Truth, hundredpercent grace. We want to be railing26700:18:11.079 --> 00:18:15.109on people from the pulpit, butthere is much life that we're able to26800:18:15.150 --> 00:18:18.150give to our people when we dotalk about this from a biblical perspective.26900:18:18.190 --> 00:18:21.269Yeah, and I know you guyshave seen even at the prayer walks,27000:18:21.309 --> 00:18:23.509which is something I guess it shouldhave been. What it wasn't really on27100:18:23.589 --> 00:18:29.420my radar as far as people comeinto the prayer walks who have abortion in27200:18:29.460 --> 00:18:33.339their past and being confronted with whatthey had done and, obviously in a27300:18:33.380 --> 00:18:37.740very gracious way, repenting and getin healing. Yeah, before the Lord27400:18:37.539 --> 00:18:41.849even being exposed to a prayer walkor being exposed to their pastor preaching on27500:18:41.890 --> 00:18:44.210the issue of abortion. I knowyou've seen some of that stuff in the27600:18:44.250 --> 00:18:47.410churches where you guys have been talka little bit about that, just people27700:18:47.410 --> 00:18:51.690getting set free from past abortions andthings like that. Yeah, I remember27800:18:51.769 --> 00:18:55.210early on, even before we partneredwith love life, there was one young27900:18:55.250 --> 00:18:59.160lady in particular that was supposed toabortive and was passionate about post abort of28000:18:59.240 --> 00:19:03.240healing, and so you know thatthat brought it to the radar and we28100:19:03.279 --> 00:19:07.680would do the typical annual message onlife and there would always be like this28200:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.349like and intrepidation in me that Idon't want to hurt people when I do28300:19:11.509 --> 00:19:15.750this. You know, I knowthere's probably more in my congregation than I28400:19:15.789 --> 00:19:21.670even know about, and actually quitethe opposite is true. There's an article28500:19:21.710 --> 00:19:25.740that karenet wrote and I remember alady was quoted in there. She said28600:19:25.940 --> 00:19:30.140I thought that I had committed theunforgivable sin because when my pastor preached on28700:19:30.299 --> 00:19:33.579forgiveness, he never mentioned the sinof abortion. And I don't think pastors28800:19:33.619 --> 00:19:37.019are doing that intentionally. I thinkit's like, you know, kind of28900:19:37.019 --> 00:19:37.930how I felt, that I wantto hurt people. I don't want to,29000:19:38.250 --> 00:19:41.329you know, it's like bring upthis wound. Yeah, but actually29100:19:41.369 --> 00:19:45.450the opposite is true, that whenwe connect the gospel of Jesus Christ specifically29200:19:45.490 --> 00:19:48.170to the sin of abortion, callit what it is. We don't have29300:19:48.210 --> 00:19:52.130to soften it. We don't helppeople by softening sin. Right. Yeah,29400:19:52.210 --> 00:19:56.680like sin is so egregious. Theonly solution to the sin problem was29500:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.480the brutal murder of the son ofGod and him drinking the full wrath from29600:20:00.519 --> 00:20:06.079the father for our sin on himselfon the Cross and being resurrected. So29700:20:06.640 --> 00:20:10.829sin is egregious. We don't needto minimize that because we minimize the value29800:20:10.869 --> 00:20:12.670of what Christ has done for us. Yeah, so when we do it29900:20:12.829 --> 00:20:18.990well, we do it effectively.We're not angry and railing on people,30000:20:18.029 --> 00:20:22.099but just saying what the Bible saysand then preaching the hope of the Gospel30100:20:22.140 --> 00:20:25.460of Jesus Christ that you're not asecond rate Christian just because you had an30200:20:25.460 --> 00:20:29.819abortion. You're not disqualified for therest of your life from all ministry,30300:20:29.940 --> 00:20:33.420like the Lord wants to use you. And so what we've seen is,30400:20:33.619 --> 00:20:36.849you know, I believe six women. We have about a hundred and fifty30500:20:36.849 --> 00:20:40.930people. There's been at least sixwomen that I know of that have gone30600:20:40.970 --> 00:20:47.210through post abortion classes in our congregationare now sharing their stories helping other women.30700:20:47.250 --> 00:20:48.490So some of that is in apublic format, some of that is30800:20:48.529 --> 00:20:53.000more just like this one on one. But you know, our vocal about30900:20:53.039 --> 00:20:56.480it. They're not hiding, they'renot covered up in guild and shame.31000:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.880And you know, a lot ofthat started with love life, participating in31100:21:00.000 --> 00:21:03.670love life prayer walks. So yes, if you're a pastor and you're listening31200:21:03.750 --> 00:21:07.309and you're just you're dabbling with theidea, or maybe you're just, you31300:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.430know, a congregant, whatever you'relistening, you want to influence your pastor31400:21:11.470 --> 00:21:15.349and encourage him. Someone what Joshsaid is really important to share it.31500:21:15.549 --> 00:21:18.579You know, it's just like adoctor that doesn't directly address the issue that31600:21:18.700 --> 00:21:22.099his patient is suffering with. Ifyou don't address the disease, there's not31700:21:22.220 --> 00:21:23.819going to be healing, there's notgoing to be a remedy that comes right.31800:21:23.859 --> 00:21:27.619So pastors need to be sharing aboutthe issue of abortion and even again,31900:21:29.339 --> 00:21:33.210shepherding their people to take ownership ofthis issue and to go out and32000:21:33.289 --> 00:21:37.369do something about it where it takesplace. And that has been a key,32100:21:37.970 --> 00:21:41.849I know for me. Being exposedto the issue of abortion where it32200:21:41.849 --> 00:21:45.049takes place has been a key forso many of our volunteers and so many32300:21:45.049 --> 00:21:47.480of the pastors that you, youknow, you guys, are bringing out32400:21:47.480 --> 00:21:52.200there and we're we're seeing pastors who, again, who weren't even talking about32500:21:52.200 --> 00:21:56.559the issue of abortion, now bringingtheir congregation out, now even themselves coming32600:21:56.559 --> 00:22:00.279out with their families, even whentheir congregations aren't adopting weeks, go and32700:22:00.359 --> 00:22:03.549cover some of the other abortion centershere in Charlotte. So some of the32800:22:03.630 --> 00:22:07.069ones that are I mean they've gotsome really vile pro abortion people there yet32900:22:07.150 --> 00:22:11.309and they're confronting this, obviously withthe grace of God, and they went33000:22:11.430 --> 00:22:14.509it was took him step by stepby step, and the Lord is very33100:22:14.549 --> 00:22:18.900gracious to do that with us,but it wasn't from zero to a thousand.33200:22:18.099 --> 00:22:21.059And that's right. Again. That'sone of the things that the Lord's33300:22:21.099 --> 00:22:23.579really used you guys to do isto bring people along. One story that33400:22:23.700 --> 00:22:29.180was really powerful for US friend ofmine, she was part of our church33500:22:29.220 --> 00:22:33.769up to start, our church.Her first love life prayer walk was the33600:22:33.890 --> 00:22:37.410first time that she went back tothat abortion clinic where she had an abortion33700:22:37.529 --> 00:22:44.640ten years ago. Yeah, andlike everything in her that morning like she33800:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.240didn't want to go. Yeah,sure, you know, and which is,33900:22:48.559 --> 00:22:52.680you know, completely understandable. Andshe blogged about it later that day.34000:22:52.839 --> 00:22:56.720She did go and she took herkids and and was a powerful experience.34100:22:56.839 --> 00:23:00.190You know, it was like apicture of redemption, of what God34200:23:00.269 --> 00:23:06.990does and what's available to people,that he takes our brokenness and our mess34300:23:07.029 --> 00:23:10.710and our things from our past andhe redeems them. And now, you34400:23:10.829 --> 00:23:15.380know, she leads ministry. SheLeads Ministry to other post abortive moms and34500:23:15.980 --> 00:23:19.259you know, it's just what Goddoes. Yeah, so a man.34600:23:19.900 --> 00:23:25.259Well, you guys are currently arewe guys, I guess? Yeah,34700:23:25.380 --> 00:23:30.490as are currently in Charlotte, ofcourse, and then Raleigh, Greensboro.34800:23:30.609 --> 00:23:36.289So the triangle the triad and thenNew York City. But listen, we34900:23:36.769 --> 00:23:38.849know God's not just going to stopit for cities. Right, all right,35000:23:38.930 --> 00:23:42.400the desire of God is at thechurch across the nation and across the35100:23:42.440 --> 00:23:48.200nations. Yes, rises up andbecause Jesus Christ has given us this,35200:23:48.240 --> 00:23:55.000this prevailing against the gates of Hale, we will not fail in this.35300:23:55.279 --> 00:23:57.430We have the gates of hell won'tprevail against the Church of Jesus Christ.35400:23:57.910 --> 00:24:02.950We know that the church needs torise up, and so I know it's35500:24:02.990 --> 00:24:06.509on Justin's heart against simultaneously on myheart. Just like man, the Church35600:24:06.630 --> 00:24:08.630needs arise up. We need toequip Christians to be out there, and35700:24:08.869 --> 00:24:12.940God's doing it through what we're callingthe love life America. Right, so35800:24:14.099 --> 00:24:18.460talk a little bit about Love LifeAmerica, because it is going basically across35900:24:18.460 --> 00:24:22.220America and beyond, and that's thedesire. But talk about that, the36000:24:22.339 --> 00:24:26.609motivation behind that, some of whatthat entails and whatever other details you want36100:24:26.609 --> 00:24:30.769to share. Yeah, so youknow, when I transition from pastoring a36200:24:30.809 --> 00:24:33.369church to coming on with love life, it was to help launch Greensboro and36300:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.369Raleigh and from that point, Iremember early on, we have been talking36400:24:37.569 --> 00:24:41.319and praying about how do we movethis across the nation in a way that36500:24:41.400 --> 00:24:45.839it can spread quickly but it doesn'tlose the integrity of what it is and36600:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.640at the same time, it doesn'tkill our staff. Yeah, because when36700:24:48.680 --> 00:24:52.509you look at what all was involvedwith launching each one of those four major36800:24:52.549 --> 00:24:56.549cities, it's quite an endeavor.Yeah, you know. I mean we36900:24:56.630 --> 00:24:59.910talked about you know, we haveover three hundred partnering churches. Well,37000:24:59.950 --> 00:25:02.789the reason we have over three hundredpartnering churches because it took a lot of37100:25:02.910 --> 00:25:07.140hard work, it took a lotof relational work. Andre who is our37200:25:07.180 --> 00:25:11.220director here in Charlotte, who was, you know, started with Justin from37300:25:11.339 --> 00:25:17.059the very beginning. You know thatthat's our he's our grinder. I mean37400:25:17.220 --> 00:25:22.650we are at where we are atbecause of Andrei's just relentless work to pursue37500:25:22.690 --> 00:25:26.490relationships with pastors and bring them toclinics and move them along. And so37600:25:27.609 --> 00:25:30.730we haven't really had clarity about howdo we do that, how do we37700:25:30.849 --> 00:25:34.410move this across the United States?And ironically, you know, when the37800:25:34.490 --> 00:25:40.680pandemic hit and the message of ouryou know, from federal government all the37900:25:40.720 --> 00:25:45.359way on down to local governments waswe're turning our lives upside down to protect38000:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.519the vulnerable among us from this disease, because life matters. I remember Andrew38100:25:48.599 --> 00:25:55.230Cuomo said no one would ever choosea human life over a single dollar bill.38200:25:55.269 --> 00:25:57.390Yeah, you know. So wehad all of a sudden, you38300:25:57.470 --> 00:26:02.309know, life is so precious valuable, and it is. I'm being a38400:26:02.390 --> 00:26:06.380little tongue in cheek, but so. So we had this message, but38500:26:06.420 --> 00:26:11.500at the same time local governments andand and others are saying abortion is essential,38600:26:11.539 --> 00:26:15.660right. So what we're doing?All this stuff to protect the vulnerable.38700:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.049We're intentionally taking the lives of themost vulnerable among us and continuing.38800:26:19.170 --> 00:26:23.609And not only was abortion continuing,but it was thriving. Yeah, because38900:26:23.769 --> 00:26:26.730of the fear, right, ofthe pandemic and all of the unknown.39000:26:27.410 --> 00:26:32.210And so, you know, earlyon, as as stay at home orders39100:26:32.250 --> 00:26:36.519were coming and things like that,just I just remember just very clearly saying39200:26:36.559 --> 00:26:40.200if abortion is essential during a podamic, during the pandemic, than a Christian39300:26:40.200 --> 00:26:45.039witness is also essential at abortion clinicsduring a pandemic and beyond. And so39400:26:45.279 --> 00:26:48.309early on that came at a cost, you know, as you were there39500:26:48.829 --> 00:26:53.190and and and you were threatened witharrest and you were you know, they39600:26:53.309 --> 00:26:59.710tried to local governments tried to usethe stay at home orders to remove the39700:26:59.750 --> 00:27:03.660Christian witness from abortion clinics and Greensboroand in Charlotte some of our leaders were39800:27:03.700 --> 00:27:07.259arrested and all of those things startedto happen. But in the middle of39900:27:07.339 --> 00:27:11.819all that the clarity came. Let'sstart asking pastors and Christian leaders across the40000:27:11.859 --> 00:27:15.539United States to lead a small groupwithin the stay at home orders to go40100:27:15.539 --> 00:27:18.890out and pray. It wasn't somelike government rebellion right. It's just saying40200:27:18.009 --> 00:27:22.609like no, if abortion is essential, Christian witnesses essential, let's go.40300:27:22.970 --> 00:27:26.089Let's yea, let's show that lifereally does matter. If we're going to40400:27:26.250 --> 00:27:30.880change our lives to protect the vulnerableamong us from the disease, why are40500:27:30.880 --> 00:27:36.039we not also changing our lives andputting our lives on the line and sacrificing40600:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.400to go out and to and toprotect the most vulnerable? So that's kind40700:27:38.400 --> 00:27:41.119of how it started with, youknow, just go out and lead.40800:27:41.160 --> 00:27:45.390And what we saw very quickly waswe went from covering for clinics to covering40900:27:45.470 --> 00:27:49.829around twenty clinics with small groups.We're going out on praying and then they're41000:27:49.869 --> 00:27:53.390in a zoom feed and we're broadcastingthat zoom feed on our facebook page every41100:27:53.430 --> 00:27:57.509Saturday morning at nine am. Andso it just kind of took off and41200:27:57.579 --> 00:28:03.059within that we realize this is thefront door to expansion. Yeah, this41300:28:03.299 --> 00:28:07.539is exposing people not only to lovelife, but is exposing people to the41400:28:07.660 --> 00:28:12.009tragic truth of six hundred plus abortionclinics across the United States. Here's twenty41500:28:12.049 --> 00:28:15.210of them. You're getting a frontrow seat to this from your home,41600:28:15.369 --> 00:28:19.970where you can watch it. Andnow using that and leveraging it to say,41700:28:19.970 --> 00:28:22.650all right, here's some next stepsthat you can do so you can41800:28:22.730 --> 00:28:27.279lead a group yourself. So itstarted helping to recruit other leaders and new41900:28:27.400 --> 00:28:33.039cities. And then the kind ofthe final component, which you and Vicki42000:28:33.319 --> 00:28:40.680spoke about, the aspect of sidewalkmissionaries and viewing the the abortion clinics as42100:28:40.720 --> 00:28:45.910legitimate mission fields. All of thatreally kind of took shape during this pandemic42200:28:45.069 --> 00:28:51.190to say this is a legitimate missionfield, it's worthy of full time missionaries42300:28:51.710 --> 00:28:55.190and and kind of that model oflike if I'm you know, Honduras is42400:28:55.269 --> 00:28:59.900on my mind. We have amission in Honduras. You know, there42500:28:59.980 --> 00:29:03.859were missionaries that we work with inHonduras who were kind of the shepherds of42600:29:03.940 --> 00:29:07.859that work, the experts on theground, and we send people to them42700:29:08.500 --> 00:29:12.410to work with them and to developthat's kind of the same aspect. Here.42800:29:12.410 --> 00:29:17.289We're saying the abortion clinic is themission field. There should be kind42900:29:17.289 --> 00:29:21.450of at least one, preferably two, missionaries that are kind of the experts43000:29:21.490 --> 00:29:23.960on the ground that are shepherding thework. They're not doing all the work,43100:29:25.240 --> 00:29:29.400they're coordinating, they're equipping their trainingand then churches are sending their people,43200:29:29.480 --> 00:29:33.119just like a short term mission trip. They're sending their people one day43300:29:33.119 --> 00:29:34.640a month, one day a week, multiple days a week, whatever it43400:29:34.720 --> 00:29:41.829is. But I'm working together sothat there's a holistic ministry of the church,43500:29:41.190 --> 00:29:45.509local churches in their area that areworking with their local missionaries to do43600:29:45.750 --> 00:29:51.470effective outreach at their local abortion clinic. So that is Love Life America and43700:29:52.029 --> 00:29:56.740amazingly, when we announced this lastweek, unbelievable conversations as people have been43800:29:56.779 --> 00:30:02.460reaching out to us and sharing theirstories about how God is burdened them and43900:30:02.579 --> 00:30:11.329convicted them to bring this to theircity and one couple in particular there south44000:30:11.410 --> 00:30:15.529of Savannah. They used to livehere in Charlotte, so they knew about44100:30:15.529 --> 00:30:18.769love life. Yeah, and theyhad always kind of said, you know,44200:30:18.890 --> 00:30:21.480man, if we ever moved backto Charlotte, we're going to,44300:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.359you know, get involved with lovelife. And as I was talking to44400:30:25.799 --> 00:30:29.240her and her husband last week,she has started weeping. She was like44500:30:29.440 --> 00:30:33.119we wanted to do something with lovelife if we move back. But now44600:30:33.279 --> 00:30:37.910love life is coming here and there'ssomething that we can do here in our44700:30:38.029 --> 00:30:44.309city at our abortion clinic. Andthat's happening from Reno, Nevada, just44800:30:44.470 --> 00:30:48.589got off the phone with someone,and in Visalia, California, Atlanta,44900:30:49.059 --> 00:30:56.859Miami, Indianapolis, I mean they'rejust springing up all over and really all45000:30:56.940 --> 00:31:00.299it boils down to, Daniel,and you know this. I believe that45100:31:00.579 --> 00:31:07.730there are thousands of Christians in theUnited States and across the world that they45200:31:07.769 --> 00:31:11.809are aware of the issue of abortionand it's impact and they don't know what45300:31:11.930 --> 00:31:15.450to do. They want to dosomething, but they don't know what to45400:31:15.490 --> 00:31:23.599do, and our ministries are nowproviding a packaged but effective way to say45500:31:23.880 --> 00:31:26.880this is what you can do.Yeah, and and so you know,45600:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.480we'll have our hands on it toa degree, but we really want to45700:31:30.599 --> 00:31:33.230give this over to local churches forthem to run with it. And and45800:31:33.950 --> 00:31:37.910we're starting to see the the firstfruits of that taking places. You trained,45900:31:38.269 --> 00:31:44.190yeah, fourteen sidewalk missionaries to toois a man is almost three weeks46000:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.859ago now. Yeah, and youknow, just hearing the stories from that46100:31:48.099 --> 00:31:53.059group alone of what's already happening isyou know, they didn't waste the training46200:31:53.099 --> 00:31:56.859right, immediately putting it into afat run and, yeah, developing their46300:31:56.980 --> 00:32:00.609cities, developing a network of life, bringing people together, getting ready to46400:32:01.450 --> 00:32:06.809go out or some of them arealready going out to their sidewalks. You46500:32:06.890 --> 00:32:12.250know, we it's our conviction,with with you and included, Daniel.46600:32:12.250 --> 00:32:15.960I know you're convicted as any ofus, that this is going to happen46700:32:15.000 --> 00:32:20.400across the United States and even beyondme, Israel. You know, there's46800:32:20.480 --> 00:32:25.599there's activity in Israel. There's athings stirring in Australia. Someone reached out46900:32:25.599 --> 00:32:31.390to us today about Ghana, andso it's no coincidence we're seeing the uptick47000:32:31.589 --> 00:32:37.670in Shenanigan's from yea, you know, counts people. Yeah, and those47100:32:37.710 --> 00:32:42.990sorts of things, because they seenow the churches is awakening. Yeah,47200:32:43.029 --> 00:32:46.500the church is rising up and itreally is just a matter of we're providing47300:32:46.539 --> 00:32:50.700them some tracks and run on.Yeah, they're doing it. Yeah,47400:32:50.819 --> 00:32:53.339so what are those tracks? Solet's say somebody is listening to this and47500:32:53.380 --> 00:32:58.099they've been praying about how to getinvolved and how to get their church involved47600:32:58.299 --> 00:33:00.930and and all of that. Whatwhat are the steps? If someone says,47700:33:00.970 --> 00:33:07.009yeah, I'm thinking maybe Love LifeAmerica might be that that thing that47800:33:07.049 --> 00:33:08.809I needed to get on board with, what is the process? Yeah,47900:33:08.930 --> 00:33:13.319so the first thing I would sayis go to love life dot org slash48000:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.599America and just check out the landingpage there and you can see some of48100:33:17.640 --> 00:33:22.720our videos that lay some more groundwork. But the three steps, to make48200:33:22.759 --> 00:33:24.480it simple for you, without evenhaving to go to the page, is48300:33:24.680 --> 00:33:30.349watch, go and launch. Sowe're basically saying every Saturday from nine am48400:33:30.430 --> 00:33:34.750to about ten fifteen, ten twentyeastern time, we're hosting a live virtual48500:33:34.829 --> 00:33:38.710prayer walk on our facebook page.It's the handle is at Love Life USA48600:33:38.910 --> 00:33:44.220on facebook in and go on thereand watch, watch the prayer walk,48700:33:44.339 --> 00:33:49.420pray with us and, you know, engage in the experience of seeing Christian48800:33:49.420 --> 00:33:52.059leaders across the United States giving liveupdates. This past Saturday we saw,48900:33:52.900 --> 00:34:00.289literally saw a family get in theircar, drive out of the abortion parking49000:34:00.410 --> 00:34:05.170lot over to the adjacent parking lotwhere there's a mobile unit there for a49100:34:05.250 --> 00:34:07.489free ultrasound, and they chose lifeon the live feet. And you do.49200:34:07.769 --> 00:34:10.440We're not putting people on blast andshowing their faces and stuff like that,49300:34:10.599 --> 00:34:15.559but you can see their car andin real time, like people praying49400:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.039and seeing an immediate answer to prayerin the Valley of decision. And so49500:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.309you know, watch, watch withUS and invite others, invite leaders in49600:34:24.389 --> 00:34:27.510your church. Why, Hey,guys, I heard about this thing.49700:34:27.590 --> 00:34:30.110Love Life. Watch the live prayerwalk or right now you can go on49800:34:30.150 --> 00:34:34.590our facebook page and they're all recordedon there, so you can watch some49900:34:34.710 --> 00:34:37.510of the prerecorded ones as well.So that's the first step, is just50000:34:37.789 --> 00:34:43.219watch and then, you know,connect with us and will equip you to50100:34:43.340 --> 00:34:49.460go, okay and lead your owngroup out to pray at your abortion clinic.50200:34:49.619 --> 00:34:52.139So a couple of things we justwant to make sure of is that50300:34:52.659 --> 00:34:54.210you know you're a part of alocal church. Again, we're not a50400:34:54.329 --> 00:34:58.250replacement for the local church. Soyou know, we want to know that50500:34:58.289 --> 00:35:01.449you're a part of a local evangelicalchurch and you're in good standing there and50600:35:01.530 --> 00:35:07.039you have at the very least theblessing of your pastor to go and so50700:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.079we have, you know, somesteps that we can walk through with you50800:35:10.199 --> 00:35:14.360on that and we have a trainingwebsite that we can share with you to50900:35:14.480 --> 00:35:16.599get you prepared and equip to leada group. We have tools for you51000:35:16.719 --> 00:35:22.829to use that make it very turnkeyand very simple but effective out there as51100:35:22.869 --> 00:35:28.510you go. And then the laststep is, as these new go groups51200:35:28.510 --> 00:35:32.070or prayer groups are starting, thelast step is all right, let's start51300:35:32.110 --> 00:35:37.699gathering now other churches in the areashare the vision of love life with them.51400:35:37.059 --> 00:35:42.139We're looking for partnering churches, whatwe call houses of refuge, and51500:35:42.219 --> 00:35:45.579the idea there is many women stoprunning the local abortion clinics and instead of51600:35:45.619 --> 00:35:51.530running to churches for real help andreal solutions. And then, along with51700:35:51.849 --> 00:35:58.289partnering House of Refuge Churches, we'relooking to identify one to two sidewalk missionaries51800:35:58.809 --> 00:36:01.250that can come to our five dayboot camp here in Charlotte and be trained51900:36:01.329 --> 00:36:06.079and equip not only during that fiveday camp. But you know, one52000:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.559of the major reasons we merge withyou guys is because of your ability to52100:36:08.599 --> 00:36:15.679train and equip and encourage ongoing thesidewalk missionaries across the United States to have52200:36:15.800 --> 00:36:22.030an effective witness out there. Alot of times what we see in sidewalk52300:36:22.110 --> 00:36:24.429outreaches kind of like the wild wildwest. Anybody can show up and there's52400:36:24.429 --> 00:36:29.269all sorts of approaches and it's veryit's not very well organized and it's not52500:36:29.389 --> 00:36:32.099very unified. Yeah, and Ithink that's one of the great fruits of52600:36:32.460 --> 00:36:40.420our merger. And what we're doingis is bringing a level of I don't52700:36:40.420 --> 00:36:44.739know, professionalism does not the rightword, but like warmity. Yeah,52800:36:44.860 --> 00:36:51.250you know, like a standard ofcare and a standard of time tested approaches52900:36:51.409 --> 00:36:57.250to effective outreach that's been in placefor the last ten plus years that you53000:36:57.329 --> 00:37:00.840guys have been using, and I'veseen over five thousand babies saved and their53100:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.679families saved from that decision as well. Is Putting that in place to where53200:37:07.039 --> 00:37:13.960there is a unified affective tested abiblical biblically that's that's that, honestly.53300:37:14.079 --> 00:37:15.789I mean I'm appreciate you saying that, but that is one of the things53400:37:15.829 --> 00:37:22.230that I admire greatly as the timethat I've known you is what I've seen53500:37:22.269 --> 00:37:24.510in your ministry and your approach outthere. Sometimes we get a little too53600:37:24.550 --> 00:37:30.739pragmatic with these sorts of things anddata and all of that, and really53700:37:30.820 --> 00:37:34.659the foundation is what does the Bibleinstruct us to do? Yeah, in53800:37:34.820 --> 00:37:40.500these situations and bring not being afraidto bring that to the abortion clinic.53900:37:40.659 --> 00:37:45.530Yes, speak, what does Godsay about the situation? When is God54000:37:45.570 --> 00:37:47.849say about your baby? Was Godsay about you? And not saving that54100:37:49.090 --> 00:37:52.730for last right, but leading withthat. Yeah, because we believe in54200:37:52.809 --> 00:37:57.969the sufficiency of the Scriptures and thepower of the Holy Spirit to intervene in54300:37:58.010 --> 00:38:00.000people's lives. And so, yeah, it's very exciting to me, Daniel,54400:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.000the potential of what can take place. As you know, in two54500:38:05.039 --> 00:38:08.199of our cities this week we sawsaves for the first time in Madison,54600:38:08.239 --> 00:38:15.110Wisconsin and Fayetteville. Folks who havebeen going out and they're all different too.54700:38:15.230 --> 00:38:19.909That's the other thing too, isyou know, I think the one54800:38:19.949 --> 00:38:23.309guy is is like Filipino, andyou have young, you know, one54900:38:23.429 --> 00:38:29.699gals nineteen. Yeah, you haveretired people. You know, it's such55000:38:29.699 --> 00:38:34.539a diverse group, but the onething they all share in common is this55100:38:34.739 --> 00:38:38.179isn't a fad, this isn't aneat idea like. This is a deeply55200:38:39.059 --> 00:38:43.769burdened group of people. Yeah,that are just saying yes, yeah,55300:38:44.130 --> 00:38:46.090and I think in one sense,you know, when I share with people,55400:38:46.449 --> 00:38:51.170and hopefully you guys who listen tothis podcast list and our previous podcast,55500:38:51.530 --> 00:38:55.079about this being a missionary endeavor,when I share with folks about the55600:38:55.159 --> 00:38:59.559fact that this is a mission field, it helps to tear off some of55700:38:59.639 --> 00:39:02.800that stigma which is associated with protestingand making this thing of political issue and55800:39:04.559 --> 00:39:08.159really just helping churches, helping individualsto understand this is a mission field and55900:39:08.320 --> 00:39:12.469those we are going out our missionaries. It helps to cut through that stigma56000:39:12.510 --> 00:39:15.909in the light comes on for people. Sometimes they just can connect with Alice,56100:39:15.949 --> 00:39:19.150sharing with actually my pastor a coupleof weeks ago, just what God56200:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.750is doing and I was sharing withhim. Know we're really contending for the56300:39:22.789 --> 00:39:27.739language at this is a missionary endeavorthat those out there are sidewalk missionaries and56400:39:27.820 --> 00:39:30.099my pastors like it's exactly what theyare. You're right there there, right56500:39:30.179 --> 00:39:34.579this mission field. Their missionaries yeah, yeah, and so really just I56600:39:34.699 --> 00:39:37.380think people understanding, people are listening, understanding that language, understanding what we're56700:39:37.380 --> 00:39:42.369talking about. What we're trying todo is basically have these mission fields that56800:39:42.530 --> 00:39:46.889currently in our country do not havea missionary, raising up missionaries to be56900:39:47.010 --> 00:39:51.530out there on those front lines,right, and just to see within that57000:39:51.690 --> 00:39:55.920training those people that were there wereyou know, they've been involved, most57100:39:55.960 --> 00:40:00.239of them in some measure, butto really see them embrace this idea that57200:40:00.320 --> 00:40:01.920you're going to be sent out asa missionary. You're not just out there57300:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.510is just an individual doing your thingand you're not a prolifed activist, but57400:40:07.590 --> 00:40:09.909you're a missionary. I really thinkI saw some lights come on with them57500:40:09.949 --> 00:40:15.550when they really understood in that bootcamp what we're after, what we're trying57600:40:15.550 --> 00:40:17.469to do nationally. Right. Sohopefully you guys that are listening, you57700:40:17.550 --> 00:40:22.780understand what we're what we're seeking isto have these mission fields covered with a57800:40:22.900 --> 00:40:24.500missionary. Yeah, and, youknow, just to bring clarity, because57900:40:24.500 --> 00:40:29.739I know there may be some likediehard and missiologists, who maybe, as58000:40:29.780 --> 00:40:34.739parsing words, that maybe we're justbeing cute with this language. You know,58100:40:36.010 --> 00:40:39.769the differentiator again is what you justmentioned about it being Biblical and understanding58200:40:39.849 --> 00:40:44.090that. We don't just train subwaltmissionaries to go out and save babies.58300:40:44.570 --> 00:40:47.010They're trained to share the gospel.Yeah, they're equipped to share the hope58400:40:47.010 --> 00:40:54.440of Jesus Christ with people were we'reintersecting because of the reason why they're there.58500:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.960Were intersecting with them because they havebeen brought to a place in life58600:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.480where they believe that a reasonable solutiontheir problem is killing their child. But58700:41:01.639 --> 00:41:06.670the end goal is not just thatthe child is saved, it's that people58800:41:06.710 --> 00:41:08.829come to know Christ. Yeah,which is the mission of the church.58900:41:08.869 --> 00:41:13.070Absolutely, we're commission to, youknow, go into all the world,59000:41:13.150 --> 00:41:16.389preach the good news, baptized,teach all of those things, and that59100:41:16.710 --> 00:41:22.739is, in fact what our sidewalkmissionaries are being equipped to do and to59200:41:22.980 --> 00:41:29.619equip churches in their area to doas well, and that's why we're using59300:41:29.659 --> 00:41:32.530the language of sidewalk missionary, becauseit is in line with the Great Commission.59400:41:32.570 --> 00:41:38.050Yeah, absolutely, in the discipleshipcomponent fits perfectly in with the necessity59500:41:38.130 --> 00:41:43.050for these local churches to be involvedand when a mom chooses live so not59600:41:43.170 --> 00:41:45.409just be involved and come out thereand pray that's great, but even within59700:41:45.449 --> 00:41:51.199these churches, to identify mentors ordisciples that right disciple these MOMS, because59800:41:51.199 --> 00:41:52.880that's the goal. Again, it'snot to want to minimize it, but59900:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.519not to just save a baby,but to disciple that mother right so that60000:41:57.599 --> 00:42:00.239ultimately that child and that child israised, that child is raised being discipled60100:42:00.280 --> 00:42:04.429as well. And then, youknow, God, by His grace and60200:42:04.590 --> 00:42:07.750mercy, is saving mom's babies,being saved, these children to be in60300:42:07.829 --> 00:42:13.510disciple. And this, this messageof life, is covering the entire United60400:42:13.550 --> 00:42:16.539States, from America exactly, andGod is glorified through it. That's right,60500:42:16.579 --> 00:42:21.340because that's the ultimate goal. That'sright. Yeah, well, man,60600:42:21.539 --> 00:42:23.500that's that's pretty much where I wantedto go with this. That's pretty60700:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.780much all I wanted to cover.Anything else you want to mention before we60800:42:25.860 --> 00:42:30.170wrap this thing up? No,I just you know, I just would60900:42:30.170 --> 00:42:34.889encourage folks check out love life dotorg slash America, you know, and61000:42:36.090 --> 00:42:37.489share it too. Yeah, youknow, share it with people in your61100:42:37.489 --> 00:42:42.369network that you know have a burdenfor this. You've had conversations with them.61200:42:43.570 --> 00:42:47.039I can assure you there are thousandsof people in the United States that61300:42:47.119 --> 00:42:52.679are praying and looking for something todo around the issue of life and and61400:42:53.519 --> 00:42:58.949something that's far deeper than just politicalactivism. That has a place. I61500:42:59.030 --> 00:43:02.349don't want to minimize that, butfor far too long the church has been61600:43:02.389 --> 00:43:07.469waiting for politicians to change culture,which they don't do. They follow culture.61700:43:07.469 --> 00:43:10.710Yeah, the Church has. It'snot that just we are to be61800:43:10.909 --> 00:43:15.139salt and light, it's actually whowe are. That's what Jesus said we61900:43:15.179 --> 00:43:16.860are. So you are the saltof the earth, you are the light62000:43:16.940 --> 00:43:21.340of the world, and that isthe role that we played, the pillar62100:43:21.460 --> 00:43:25.780and buttress of truth in society.We've advocated that and that's why we're in62200:43:27.329 --> 00:43:30.210a lot of the trouble we're inis because we've gotten soft on truth and62300:43:30.289 --> 00:43:32.170we're afraid to be controversial and wewant to be liked by everybody, and62400:43:32.210 --> 00:43:37.289I struggle with that just as muchas the next guy. But we do62500:43:37.489 --> 00:43:44.159have the unique opportunity to fulfill theGod given role that he's already said that62600:43:44.320 --> 00:43:47.840we have a commissioned us to besalt and light and shift the culture.62700:43:49.000 --> 00:43:52.519And you know, we have numerousstories that we can share if how that's62800:43:52.559 --> 00:43:58.469taking place. But we're not satisfiedwith. You know just what's taken place62900:43:58.550 --> 00:44:00.750in the last four or five years. And for you guys, ten years63000:44:00.469 --> 00:44:05.150there's still a ton more people,yeah, that need Jesus. And I63100:44:05.230 --> 00:44:09.820mean the reality is we've gotten thiscountry three hundred and eighty thousand churches,63200:44:10.380 --> 00:44:14.260and maybe half of those are Biblepreaching churches. You know, some of63300:44:14.300 --> 00:44:17.139these we wouldn't even identify as churches. We at least a hundred and fifty63400:44:17.300 --> 00:44:22.460thousand, I would say, SolidBible preaching churches in the United States of63500:44:22.539 --> 00:44:25.170America. Yeah, and seven hundredabortions, the seven hundred abortion clinics is63600:44:25.250 --> 00:44:28.889seven hundred too many, right,but when you compare it to how many63700:44:28.929 --> 00:44:31.329believers there are, how many pastorsthere are, yeah, we should have63800:44:31.409 --> 00:44:36.050these things covered in no time.There should be a there should already be63900:44:36.130 --> 00:44:39.880a quick Christian witness there. Yeah, but I'm believing God and we're looking64000:44:39.920 --> 00:44:45.960for by November of two thousand andtwenty one, to have a Christian witness64100:44:45.960 --> 00:44:50.800at every abortion center in the UnitedStates of America and we're going to celebrate64200:44:50.840 --> 00:44:53.110what God has done, what Godis doing. I'm believing God for it.64300:44:53.630 --> 00:44:58.230I'm I know it can happen andso, guys, if you're burdened,64400:44:58.389 --> 00:45:00.110you heard Josh talking, you've heardI mean that. Listen, we're64500:45:00.110 --> 00:45:06.510making it simple. Yeah, it'sjust three simple steps to get involved and64600:45:07.260 --> 00:45:09.780we'll walk you through it the bootcamp man. We're making ourselves available to64700:45:09.900 --> 00:45:14.260train you, guys, to giveyou just the wisdom. You can learn64800:45:14.300 --> 00:45:15.739from a lot of my mistakes.Yeah, Vicky, you'll be there in64900:45:15.820 --> 00:45:19.139the training. Will have others inthere in the training. Justin will be65000:45:19.139 --> 00:45:22.530there. Josh's there. Just speakingabout Church engagement, Andre that you mentioned65100:45:22.570 --> 00:45:25.690earlier, who actually had on apodcast several months ago, will help you,65200:45:25.849 --> 00:45:30.730equip you to engage with the churches, give the churches involved. We65300:45:30.809 --> 00:45:34.250want to quip, we want empowerthese salwalt missionaries to be effective in these65400:45:34.289 --> 00:45:36.840mission fields. So, if you'reburden with that, I'm actually going to65500:45:36.880 --> 00:45:39.599put a link in the description ofthe podcast so you guys can go to65600:45:39.719 --> 00:45:45.599love life America and get connected andsee the steps there and you can certainly65700:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.920reach out to me. For nowmy email address. You can reach out65800:45:47.920 --> 00:45:52.829a deep parks of cities for lifecomit'll be. I'll be sharing my new65900:45:52.070 --> 00:45:55.550love life email address. You guys. Coming up in the next couple of66000:45:55.710 --> 00:46:00.989PODCASTS. You can certainly reach outto me. Please share this podcast.66100:46:00.150 --> 00:46:04.269Share. Like Josh said, thereare a live feed there on facebook,66200:46:04.739 --> 00:46:12.340but until next time, got blessed. Give me our love for love,66300:46:15.059 --> 00:46:24.170give me our lift for gratitude.I know it will cost me my life.66400:46:28.849 --> 00:46:31.250Nothing's too precious and some met you