March 31, 2022

What If They Are Lying?

What If They Are Lying?

We encounter various issues in our outreach at the abortion centers. Oftentimes as we reach out to the women going into the abortion center they ignore us, sometimes they are completely open and honest and other times they stop to talk but lie about what they are there. In this episode, we share some insights on how to navigate through the conversation when you suspect that they are lying to you and how to bring the truth in these situations.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:05.120 I've had people stop in the driveway and make up a pretty extravagant lie and 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:08.400 I ask myself, why don't they just keep driving in a normal it's because 3 00:00:08.439 --> 00:00:14.640 of guilt. That's why I am yours, I am yours, I am 4 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:21.000 yours, and me Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm 5 00:00:21.000 --> 00:00:26.039 welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast, a podcast design to equip, 6 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:30.600 encourage and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on 7 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:39.640 the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart. 8 00:00:41.799 --> 00:00:48.799 Use Me. Welcome back to the Gospel Centered Prolife podcast. Appreciate you guys 9 00:00:48.880 --> 00:00:52.880 joining us and, as always, we'd appreciate if you guys would share this 10 00:00:52.920 --> 00:00:58.159 podcast episode with friends, family shared on social media. We normally put these 11 00:00:58.159 --> 00:01:06.120 episodes out on various social media and things like that, normally in groups and 12 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:10.040 stuff that were that we're part of. But yeah, you can feel free 13 00:01:10.079 --> 00:01:14.640 to share these publicly and encourage people to listen to these episodes. Also, 14 00:01:14.680 --> 00:01:19.799 we encourage you guys to leave us a review. If you're on apple podcast 15 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:26.200 or whatever podcast platform you're on, there's likely some way to leave a review, 16 00:01:26.239 --> 00:01:27.879 and so if you could just let us know what you think of these 17 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:33.400 podcasts and will give our email addresses at the end of this episode so you 18 00:01:33.400 --> 00:01:36.840 can reach out to us and let us know some suggestions that you have for 19 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:41.319 future podcast episodes. We've taken a few suggestions and put them in the episodes. 20 00:01:41.439 --> 00:01:44.840 We'd love to hear from you. We like to, if we don't 21 00:01:44.840 --> 00:01:48.319 forget, introduce ourselves for those who are new to the podcast. So I 22 00:01:48.359 --> 00:01:52.920 am Daniel Parks. I work with love life as the regional shepherd of the 23 00:01:52.920 --> 00:01:56.959 West Coast, so oversee our efforts on the west coast and also have an 24 00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:01.439 expertise with air quotes in sidewalk out reach ministry. been doing sidewalk out reach 25 00:02:01.560 --> 00:02:07.120 for about a little over fifteen years now and with me often times, is 26 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:12.280 a matter of fact, almost all the time, is Vicky cassie Org and 27 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.000 so introduce yourself. Say Hey, hey, there and Vicky. I've been 28 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:21.199 on the sidewalk only nine years. Yeah, so not not nearly as experienced 29 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.199 or an expert as Daniel Parks. Yeah, I don't know that. I 30 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:30.800 think probably more and of an expert in this realm of ministry than I am. 31 00:02:30.800 --> 00:02:38.039 But together we, I think, form a dynamic duo in encouraging people 32 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:42.479 and equipping people in sidewalk out reach ministry, which is what we intend to 33 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.080 do with this episode. And maybe, if your brand new to sidewalk out 34 00:02:46.080 --> 00:02:51.520 reach ministry, this subject is going to be a little unique, maybe a 35 00:02:51.520 --> 00:02:54.479 little strange, like why would we be talking about this? But we're talking 36 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:58.560 about this because it's a common thing. And so what are we talking about? 37 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.560 We're talking about what if the MOM that you've stopped is lying? You 38 00:03:01.919 --> 00:03:05.800 know she's lying, you can tell she's lying. What do you do? 39 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:07.240 How do you deal with that? And that actually was a question one of 40 00:03:07.280 --> 00:03:12.439 our councilors asked because, like you said, it happens all the time. 41 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:16.080 Yeah, they're they're, you know, ashamed of what they're doing there, 42 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:21.599 and so we here lies all the time. And how do we get our 43 00:03:21.599 --> 00:03:24.520 message across, God's message across, if we know that they're lying? Yeah, 44 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:29.319 yeah, which, again is a common scenario. A woman's pulling into 45 00:03:29.360 --> 00:03:32.599 the abortion center or walking up to the abortion center, you stop to give 46 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:38.360 them information. Are you here for an abortion? And right away the lie 47 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:40.000 could come out. No, I'm not here for that, and that is 48 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:43.719 a very common scenario. Actually, no, I'm not here for that. 49 00:03:43.800 --> 00:03:46.080 Now you'd be surprised at how many of them would actually say, yes, 50 00:03:46.120 --> 00:03:49.879 I'm here for an abortion, right. And so, yeah, we're going 51 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.240 to talk about how you cut through that, how you cut through the lies 52 00:03:53.319 --> 00:03:58.520 and get right to the truth, some ways maybe to detect that they're lying 53 00:03:58.599 --> 00:04:00.800 to you. We're going to we're going to help people, Vicki, to 54 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:04.159 be lie detectors. Yeah, WE'RE gonna. We're going to be able to 55 00:04:04.199 --> 00:04:08.199 quit them to do that. Will be able to equip them to some degree. 56 00:04:08.199 --> 00:04:11.360 Okay, it is easier if you're at a facility like the one we 57 00:04:11.400 --> 00:04:14.400 are at here at Latrobe, because all they do here is abortions, and 58 00:04:14.479 --> 00:04:15.839 that's that's often the first thing I'll say when they say, Oh, I'm 59 00:04:15.879 --> 00:04:18.720 not here for an abortion. I'll say, oh well, that's all they 60 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:23.319 do here. Yeah, and and then they kind of turn all read and 61 00:04:23.600 --> 00:04:26.600 right. Yeah, you can't do that if it's a plan parenthood, because 62 00:04:26.639 --> 00:04:30.680 you do do other things besides abortion. Yes, they do. So, 63 00:04:30.759 --> 00:04:34.839 but we will give some ideas for how to expose lies. Sometimes exposing the 64 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:39.439 lie is actually not the best strategy, right. Is is what we have 65 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:44.120 found him. We're going to talk about that right, but I mean exposing 66 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:47.720 the fact that you know that they're lying, without directly calling them a liar, 67 00:04:47.759 --> 00:04:53.399 is sometimes very positive because it's biblical. The Bible says the truth will 68 00:04:53.439 --> 00:04:59.800 set you free, not lies. Lies will only sin hides in darkness. 69 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.680 Right. So there are definitely important points at which lies should be exposed. 70 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:08.160 Yeah, so, so, yeah, we want to help you in this 71 00:05:08.240 --> 00:05:13.360 article. We have an accompanying article, as we usually do, but we 72 00:05:13.399 --> 00:05:19.360 want to we want to help you know when it is important to expose a 73 00:05:19.399 --> 00:05:28.079 lie and and at what point in a conversation it is important to expose a 74 00:05:28.120 --> 00:05:30.839 lie. And then, really, thirdly, how to expose a lie? 75 00:05:31.040 --> 00:05:34.079 Yeah, yeah, that that's in fact where we start. Really, how 76 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:38.959 do we how do we expose yeah, lies, let's let's jump into it. 77 00:05:38.959 --> 00:05:41.600 How do we expose these lies? Now I would say, first and 78 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:47.480 foremost, people who are going to kill their children. For them, lying 79 00:05:47.680 --> 00:05:50.720 is not a far leap, right, so that at all. We want 80 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:55.839 to believe the best, right, and we understand these women are in fear 81 00:05:55.879 --> 00:06:00.839 and people try to protect themselves as a human mechanism. When we're fraid, 82 00:06:00.000 --> 00:06:04.199 right, we do things to help protect ourselves, and so sometimes we lie, 83 00:06:04.279 --> 00:06:08.079 at least can be tempted to lie. We're trying to protect ourselves, 84 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:11.600 but just be aware. Again, we want to believe the best, but 85 00:06:11.720 --> 00:06:15.240 be aware that it's very likely the woman that you stop is going to lie 86 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:18.720 to you in some way. Yeah, it's not a good thing, I 87 00:06:18.720 --> 00:06:24.199 will just say right right away. and talking about exposing lies, to say 88 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:27.959 you're lying, right, that's that's that will not the most. We help 89 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:31.160 the conversation to continue. Yeah, yeah, and so how do we expose 90 00:06:31.199 --> 00:06:34.800 those lives? Yeah, I think we have said this so many times. 91 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:41.160 One of the very best counseling techniques ask questions. Yeah, usually the lie 92 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.639 will be exposed. They will trip themselves up because it's hard to keep a 93 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:50.040 whole series of flies right going. So if you ask a lot of questions, 94 00:06:50.160 --> 00:06:55.959 you don't even need to say you've been that you've been caught in a 95 00:06:56.000 --> 00:07:00.920 lie. Yeah, at some point there's going to be a contradiction and I 96 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:08.399 will sometimes just let that contradiction sit there right, because they I they know 97 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:12.920 that I now know, yeah, that they're lying. And if I'm still 98 00:07:12.920 --> 00:07:17.560 gentle compassionate, still offering help, and hope I've just gotten some Brownie points 99 00:07:17.680 --> 00:07:25.879 right in relationship building and and they are not able to continue in that lie 100 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:30.160 and they will sometimes just switch then into telling me the truth. Usually it 101 00:07:30.519 --> 00:07:33.800 goes from Oh, I'm not here for an abortion to I can't have this 102 00:07:33.839 --> 00:07:39.120 baby. There there are really there are really important reasons, yeah, for 103 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:43.839 why I can't have the child. Right. So, some of the questions 104 00:07:43.879 --> 00:07:46.800 that I don't know if that's a technique that you use. Yeah, absolutely 105 00:07:46.879 --> 00:07:50.839 nice. But yeah, and like you, I'm not going to just point 106 00:07:50.839 --> 00:07:55.399 out when I see a blatant contradiction or a lie. Yeah, and just 107 00:07:55.439 --> 00:08:00.920 point culture you're yea, do you you're lying. I'll just be gracious and 108 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:03.959 I'll just keep going right for the truth. You, in the scenario where 109 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:09.399 a woman's coming to the abortion center, I can tell because the the demeanor 110 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:13.360 on her face, I can tell because of the fear in her eyes, 111 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.639 I can tell because of the way that she's dressed. If she's dressed in 112 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:20.560 loose fitting clothing and she's going to a medical facility, she's probably going for 113 00:08:20.600 --> 00:08:26.240 a surgical procedure. And so even if she would say something to the effect 114 00:08:26.279 --> 00:08:28.959 of I'm not here for that, I'm still going to keep speaking like she 115 00:08:30.120 --> 00:08:31.840 is yeah, I'm still going to keep I'm just going to roll with it, 116 00:08:31.919 --> 00:08:35.320 right, and put it in the Lord's hands. Yeah, I'm not 117 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:37.600 going to call her a liar, but I'm going to if I if all 118 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:41.559 the other indications, rather than what she is saying, indicate that she's there 119 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.159 for an abortion. I'm going to keep talking about the three talking points with 120 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.840 God says, manage you every baby and the resources that are available. Yeah, 121 00:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.120 you've just said, but I believe is probably the most important point of 122 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:56.840 the whole this whole topic. Yeah, is no matter whether they're lying or 123 00:08:56.879 --> 00:09:01.519 not, no matter whether the lie has been exposed, you're not use stay 124 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.639 focused on getting out the information that you would have gotten out anyway. So, 125 00:09:05.720 --> 00:09:09.120 for example, they'll sometimes say I'm here for a friend. I'll often 126 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:13.039 hear that I was not for me. I'm picking someone up and and they're 127 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.159 not it is for them. Well then I'll still hand them the information and 128 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.240 say, can you give this to your friend? Let me tell you what 129 00:09:20.279 --> 00:09:24.039 we do. Yeah, and then I speak as though I'm speaking for the 130 00:09:24.039 --> 00:09:28.120 things will do for the friend, but I'm giving her all the information I 131 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:33.200 would have given her anyway. But so some of the questions that that I 132 00:09:33.279 --> 00:09:37.000 might ask just in case someone struggling with this like, well, what do 133 00:09:37.039 --> 00:09:39.879 we ask? What do we ask that help to expose the lie? Did 134 00:09:39.919 --> 00:09:46.519 you know that this Phillis facility does abortions? Because right away you're like opening 135 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.120 up the fact that we suspect that they are there. Right, we're an 136 00:09:50.159 --> 00:09:56.840 abortion. Here's one and I have heard this a lot for people driving into 137 00:09:56.840 --> 00:10:00.440 Plant parenthood. They'll say, oh, she's just getting birth control pills. 138 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:03.679 Sometimes we'll hear that from the father, or or she's just having a pep 139 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:09.279 smere. Yeah, and then we can ask, well, why does she 140 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.919 need you? FOR MORAL SUPPORT? Yeah, for she's just here for if 141 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.720 she's just control exactly. It doesn't make any sense if they're coming there with 142 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:22.240 with a driver. Right, are you married to her? Is a good 143 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.799 question because, and the reason that's a good question, I think. Maybe 144 00:10:26.840 --> 00:10:28.440 not the first question I would ask for sure, but it's one of the 145 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:33.399 questions. Is it points out they'll say, Oh, I'm a Christian. 146 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:37.039 Yeah, that's when I that's when I say it usually is when they they 147 00:10:37.039 --> 00:10:39.120 oh, I would never do that, I'm a Christian. Right. Oh, 148 00:10:39.240 --> 00:10:43.480 is that your wife? Right, yeah, pointing out that if you're 149 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:48.720 a Christian and you're having sex outside of marriage, then obviously you're not a 150 00:10:48.759 --> 00:10:52.759 consistent Christian, consistent with the Bible teaches. Yeah, which I think is 151 00:10:52.799 --> 00:10:56.639 a very important point to join out. You're planning seeds, right. Yeah, 152 00:10:56.720 --> 00:11:01.799 the conviction of the Holy Spirit can come. And even if they're lying 153 00:11:01.879 --> 00:11:05.639 about going in for an abortion, right, but they're the conviction of the 154 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:09.039 Holy Spirit comes because of their sex outside of marriage. It can just it 155 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:13.840 brings the knowledge of God into the equation. It brings the truth of God, 156 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:16.720 it brings God's standards into the equation, which ultimately, hopefully translates into 157 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:22.919 God's standard not just about sex outside of marriage but about murder. Right. 158 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:26.919 Yeah, and you can, you can actually start a little talk about sexual 159 00:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.399 purity before the Lord through that one question. If they say I am not 160 00:11:31.519 --> 00:11:33.879 married, well, and you don't have to say it in a judgmental or 161 00:11:33.960 --> 00:11:37.240 condemning way. Oh, did did you know? Do you know how the 162 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:41.440 Bible speaks? Yeah, that oftentimes I'll say no and then I I'll pull 163 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:46.320 some verses. Yeah, so as we're talking about what if they're lying? 164 00:11:46.399 --> 00:11:48.480 Yeah, a lot of the scenarios that we encounter, some of them are 165 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:52.639 the women actually going into the abortion center, but many of them are the 166 00:11:52.639 --> 00:11:54.960 boyfriend or the friend, as you guys can come to detect, and the 167 00:11:56.039 --> 00:12:00.039 questions that were asking, not the woman. We're asking these questions to a 168 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:03.200 least not all of these questions. Sometimes, again, it's the boyfriend of 169 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:07.240 the husband or the friend or family member or whatever. Right. And so 170 00:12:07.200 --> 00:12:11.600 I think with all of the things that we do, as far as reaching 171 00:12:11.600 --> 00:12:13.960 out of the abortion centers or whether it be signs, calling out, handing 172 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:18.240 out literature, facetoface, conversations one on one, car side, whatever, 173 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.679 all of those things are relationship building, right, and so we're building a 174 00:12:22.679 --> 00:12:26.799 relationship. That's why we don't want to immediately point out your liar. It's 175 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:31.200 good to help kind of bring those lies to the surface so you can cut 176 00:12:31.200 --> 00:12:33.679 through them and get to the truth. Yeah, but with the boyfriends, 177 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:37.600 if you can win them over in a conversation, if you can win them 178 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:43.399 over in a relational way, then ultimately they can win her over. Right, 179 00:12:43.480 --> 00:12:46.480 and so if you can show them, okay, I know why you're 180 00:12:46.519 --> 00:12:48.399 here. Let's let's just cut through the crap, right. I know why 181 00:12:48.519 --> 00:12:52.120 you're here. You and her or here for an abortion, but I'm going 182 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:56.600 to. I'm a compassionate person that cares about your situation. And you're doing 183 00:12:56.639 --> 00:13:00.679 this through a relationship. You're doing this through exposing lies, but graciously, 184 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:05.799 not poking your finger in their eye and telling them they're a liar. Yeah, 185 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:09.519 you can eventually win them over. You can eventually get that guy to 186 00:13:09.559 --> 00:13:13.399 go in there. We'll get her to come out and talk with me. 187 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.200 Yeah, and so it's relationship building. Yeah, really, yeah, and 188 00:13:16.240 --> 00:13:20.120 exposing lies. It can be relationship building. Yeah, it can be, 189 00:13:20.159 --> 00:13:24.360 as long as you do it in a gentle and loving way. Yeah. 190 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:30.799 Well, asking if if it's either a friend or a father, right, 191 00:13:30.919 --> 00:13:33.840 do you know? Is She pregnant? Yeah, and and then sometimes they 192 00:13:33.840 --> 00:13:37.159 will say yes, and if it's a guy, I'll say, well, 193 00:13:37.320 --> 00:13:39.919 is that? Is that your baby? Yeah, because again, you want 194 00:13:39.919 --> 00:13:46.600 to personalize that, humanize that baby, or whether it's a friend or the 195 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:50.600 father or even the mom yourself. The next one of the questions will almost 196 00:13:50.639 --> 00:13:54.759 always ask is, do you know how far along you are or she is? 197 00:13:54.000 --> 00:13:58.759 Yeah, and that that point they often will say I don't know, 198 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:01.799 yeah, or if they do know, but at that point either way about 199 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:07.600 it. Listing the developmental milestones, particularly in the first trimester. Yeah, 200 00:14:07.639 --> 00:14:11.799 it is really a good thing to do. Yeah, in answer to that 201 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:18.440 question, right. Yeah, I'm thinking right now of several conversations I've had 202 00:14:18.480 --> 00:14:22.559 with young men at the abortion centers. And we know, again here at 203 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:24.720 the latrobe abortion center, we know that they're here for an abortion. That's 204 00:14:24.799 --> 00:14:28.200 all they do. So even though we ask the question, are you here 205 00:14:28.200 --> 00:14:31.639 for an abortion, we already know the answer in a sense, unless they're 206 00:14:31.679 --> 00:14:37.399 there for a follow up. But I've had several conversations with young men when 207 00:14:37.440 --> 00:14:39.399 I'm asking them, is she here for an abortion, and they say now, 208 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.559 she's not here for that, we don't believe in that. And then 209 00:14:43.600 --> 00:14:46.879 a few sentences later I'll ask the question, so how far long is she 210 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:50.519 and then he'll tell me she's ten weeks or whatever, and then I'll ask 211 00:14:50.519 --> 00:14:54.080 the question, you know what abortion procedure she's going to be doing? You 212 00:14:54.159 --> 00:14:58.440 know, I'm like ignoring previously when he said she's not there fro an abortion, 213 00:14:58.480 --> 00:15:03.039 because I know that she is right. Sometimes you have to be aware 214 00:15:03.159 --> 00:15:07.080 as well, though, so only finish that thought. So I asked them 215 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.759 what procedures she here for, and the he'll start talking about the abortion peel 216 00:15:11.960 --> 00:15:13.279 and there she's here, as I thinks she's here, she's going to take 217 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:16.799 the pill. So in essence, a lot of times what people do when 218 00:15:16.840 --> 00:15:20.600 they talk about instead of doing the surgical abortion, they take the abortion pills. 219 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:22.600 are trying to make it less like an abortion, right, and they're 220 00:15:22.639 --> 00:15:26.759 trying to save face in one sense. But I have encountered situations talking to 221 00:15:26.840 --> 00:15:31.399 men that genuinely believe that she's not there for an abortion because she has lied 222 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:35.360 to him. That is true. Yea, that is true. That's a 223 00:15:35.440 --> 00:15:43.639 different scenario, right, and in that case I will be probably more forthright 224 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:46.360 if I have figured out that they've been lied to and I you know, 225 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:48.440 I can't think of anything specifically. Maybe I will be for the end of 226 00:15:48.440 --> 00:15:52.799 this podcast, but I will be more direct. Well, all they do 227 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:58.080 here is abortion. Yeah, to let the guy know, maybe you need 228 00:15:58.159 --> 00:16:00.000 to go in there and get her out, have a you know, bring 229 00:16:00.000 --> 00:16:03.480 her over to us. But yeah, that's that's a really important point, 230 00:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.679 because sometimes that does happen. Yeah, its oftentimes that happens with Uber Drivers. 231 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:11.519 To write. Don't know that they're dropping them for her for any organ 232 00:16:11.600 --> 00:16:15.159 then, you know, kind of along these lines were talking like we do 233 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:18.480 a lot about our experiences here at the trouble abortion center, but we've had 234 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.000 experiences that. Plenty of other abortion centers reaching out there too, and a 235 00:16:22.080 --> 00:16:27.559 plant parenthood facilities and other facilities that do things other than just abortions. Still 236 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:32.799 yet there are days where they commonly do surgical abortions. So at one of 237 00:16:32.840 --> 00:16:38.600 our parenthoods that our team in southern California reaches out at, they their abortion 238 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:44.679 day, their surgical abortion day is Friday, and throughout the week they do 239 00:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.480 the abortion pills. It's really hard to know who's coming in for the abortion 240 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:49.200 peel, but there are still teams. They're reaching out. But on Friday's 241 00:16:49.240 --> 00:16:52.879 we know they do surgical abortions. They get started very early and so you 242 00:16:52.960 --> 00:17:00.840 can you can pretty much assume that if they do their surgical abortions on Friday, 243 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:06.680 then there's a pretty concentrated group of people coming to the abortion center. 244 00:17:06.720 --> 00:17:11.880 So because the concern is maybe for those listening is we don't want to make 245 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:14.720 assumptions and we don't want to just ignore when they say they're not there for 246 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.319 an abortion, just to kind of ignore that and go for it. We 247 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:19.839 can do that here at La Troue because we know that they only do abortions 248 00:17:19.880 --> 00:17:25.480 and you can you can do that pretty confidently at a plant parenthood or whatever, 249 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:29.759 whatever other facility, if you know what their abortion days are. Yeah, 250 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.119 because they're going to push because that's their bread and butter, that's how 251 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.000 they make their money. They're going to push a lot of their patients and 252 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.319 they're going to probably take their other patients who are there for other things and 253 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:44.400 place them other days of the week because they don't want to mess with the 254 00:17:44.400 --> 00:17:47.960 abortion day. Right, they have likely they have an abortionist that comes that 255 00:17:48.000 --> 00:17:51.680 one day that does those surgical abortion procedures and they want to make as much 256 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:53.720 money as possible, so they're going to stack up the appointments. So if 257 00:17:53.759 --> 00:17:59.720 there's an abortion day, a day that they particularly do abortions, then you 258 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:02.759 can make that assumption as well that that woman is there for an abortion and 259 00:18:02.799 --> 00:18:06.319 just keep speaking like she's there for an abortion. Right, if they come 260 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:10.599 as a couple, if she's carrying a blanket, is she's dressed in loose 261 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:14.359 clothes? Again, you gather the clues and so you probably have a pretty 262 00:18:14.359 --> 00:18:17.799 good idea. Even at a plan parenthood, not all the time, but 263 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:22.160 but some of the time. Yeah, pretty soon in the discussion with them, 264 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.720 I'm going to ask do you know God has as we're which as we're 265 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:32.559 trying to expose the lies and and feed them the not feed them, but 266 00:18:32.599 --> 00:18:36.559 give them the information that we really feel as vital for them to make a 267 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:40.039 choice for life. That's one of the top ones for me. Do you 268 00:18:40.079 --> 00:18:45.480 know God? Yeah, and and if earlier in the discussion I found out 269 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:52.279 they're not married and she's pregnant, then again that would be I'll ask the 270 00:18:52.359 --> 00:18:57.240 question. Do you think God would have you be in an intimate sexual relationship 271 00:18:57.480 --> 00:19:02.559 if you're not married? Right? Does that cause you any concern? So 272 00:19:02.640 --> 00:19:06.519 those questions are really important. I often get asked how do you introduce the 273 00:19:06.559 --> 00:19:11.079 topic of sexual purity through questions? It's one of the ways that I will 274 00:19:11.119 --> 00:19:17.240 do it because I think we cannot ignore it. We just cannot ignore that 275 00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:22.279 that aspect of why abortions take place. Yeah, and foreign above and beyond 276 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:30.119 any statistic, those come into abortion centers aren't there because of sex outside of 277 00:19:30.119 --> 00:19:33.960 marriage, because of sexual impurity. Yeah, what God calls fornication and the 278 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:37.599 word. Now you might run into people who don't believe in God at all. 279 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:42.759 Yeah, or at least we'll claim that. or who really could care 280 00:19:42.839 --> 00:19:47.440 less about what you have to say about sexual purity? Right, and then 281 00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.400 I might. I'm I'm still going to introduce those, but because you're always 282 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:56.599 planning seats. But then one of the things you can ask is d questions 283 00:19:56.599 --> 00:20:00.200 about just general morality, like do you believe it is good to take an 284 00:20:00.200 --> 00:20:04.759 innocent baby's life, right, or do you believe a stronger human being should 285 00:20:04.799 --> 00:20:10.160 ever pray on a vulnerable human being? Yeah, so that you're kind of 286 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:15.519 leading them into, I guess, some more humanistic look at why abortion is 287 00:20:15.559 --> 00:20:22.319 wrong, right. Yeah, and that's helpful. Whether they're actually there for 288 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:25.640 an abortion or whether they're not, maybe they're genuinely telling the truth. It's 289 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:30.440 still good to establish a baseline of God's truth. Yeah, we're talking about 290 00:20:30.480 --> 00:20:33.720 sexual purity, for sure, but also when we're talking about the taking innocent 291 00:20:33.839 --> 00:20:37.359 life. And I'm thinking in my mind just again of some conversations that I've 292 00:20:37.359 --> 00:20:41.480 had with men and with women. Yeah, and so I'm thinking of a 293 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.119 particular conversation. I'm there in front of an abortion center that does things other 294 00:20:45.160 --> 00:20:48.680 than abortion, and a young ladies walking into the abortion center. I'm trying 295 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:51.680 to give her information. This is a scenario in which they're walking in rather 296 00:20:51.720 --> 00:20:55.319 than driving in. Right offering literature. He can I give you this information? 297 00:20:55.319 --> 00:20:56.559 And the young lady says, well, I'm not here for that. 298 00:20:56.599 --> 00:21:00.480 Now I didn't even say anything about abortion, but she knows while I'm out 299 00:21:00.480 --> 00:21:03.720 there, I'm not here for that and I would ask the question. Not 300 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:06.519 here for what? I'm not here. Her response I'm not here for an 301 00:21:06.519 --> 00:21:10.279 abortion. So okay, what do you know? They do abortions inside of 302 00:21:10.319 --> 00:21:15.200 there, and she might say yes. I forget the exact conversation. I'm 303 00:21:15.279 --> 00:21:18.400 thinking about what whether she said yes or no, but I said you know, 304 00:21:18.440 --> 00:21:22.240 they do abortions inside of there, and then my next question is whether 305 00:21:22.279 --> 00:21:25.559 she says yes or nose. What do you feel about abortion? What do 306 00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.720 you think about what they do inside of there? Now I'm still running with 307 00:21:29.759 --> 00:21:33.319 the assumption, because it's an abortion day, that she's there for an abortion, 308 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:34.880 but I want to try to get her to engage with me about what 309 00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:38.839 she thinks about abortion. Yeah, and in that scenario that young lady said 310 00:21:38.880 --> 00:21:42.279 I I don't agree with abortion, but I'm not here for that. They're 311 00:21:42.279 --> 00:21:47.519 always pretty Adam and I'm not here for that, and so continue to engage 312 00:21:47.559 --> 00:21:49.799 in the conversation. I'll say what's wrong with abortion. So I want to 313 00:21:49.799 --> 00:21:53.400 get them to acknowledge that. They're acknowledging that abortion is wrong. So, 314 00:21:53.559 --> 00:21:57.640 whether she's there for an abortion or not, I'm helping her to understand the 315 00:21:57.640 --> 00:22:02.720 place that she's associated herself with kills babies. I want to get to the 316 00:22:02.720 --> 00:22:06.400 point. What's wrong with abortion? What's wrong with abortion is they're actually killing 317 00:22:06.480 --> 00:22:10.359 children. Yeah, and so in this particular conversation, I remember talking to 318 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:12.319 the young lady. This actually happened in southern California. She's walking in. 319 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.799 She said, I'm not here for that. What do you feel about abortion? 320 00:22:15.839 --> 00:22:19.359 I don't agree with it. And why is that? Because it takes 321 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.640 an innocent life. She acknowledged that and I'm agreeing. Yeah, you're right, 322 00:22:22.680 --> 00:22:26.880 it takes an innocent life and that's what they're doing inside of there. 323 00:22:26.000 --> 00:22:30.440 So, whether you hear for that or not, your associated with the killing 324 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:36.359 of innocent babies. Yeah, what if they held Klu Klux Klan meetings inside 325 00:22:36.359 --> 00:22:37.759 of there? Like, what do you believe about racism? That was my 326 00:22:38.079 --> 00:22:41.119 actually my next question. What do you think about racism. It's horrible. 327 00:22:41.160 --> 00:22:44.960 Well, what if they held Ku Klux Klan meetings inside of there? Would 328 00:22:44.960 --> 00:22:48.279 you still go in, even if they offered other services? Of course not, 329 00:22:48.279 --> 00:22:51.559 because you don't want to be associated with racism. Do you want to 330 00:22:51.559 --> 00:22:55.720 be associated with murder, with the murder of children? Yeah, and so 331 00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.559 just dropping some truth bombs, whether she was lying or not, and actually, 332 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:02.920 in that scenario, fairly confident she was lying. It was an abortion 333 00:23:03.000 --> 00:23:07.839 day. She fit the kind of the just the facial expressions and the way 334 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:12.720 she was dressed. Pretty sure she was there for a surgical abortion. But 335 00:23:12.799 --> 00:23:17.480 either way, I'll drop some truth to her right. She had to reckon 336 00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:21.799 with the truth. Yes, she was. She said herself that abortion was 337 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:26.279 killing innocent person and she's associating herself with the place that does that exactly. 338 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:30.119 And I'm so glad you brought that up, because there are going to be 339 00:23:30.240 --> 00:23:34.079 people that aren't lying. Yeah, that are walking in truly to get something 340 00:23:34.079 --> 00:23:38.839 else, PEPs man, whatever, and do do you do they really want 341 00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:42.079 to give their money to a facility that profits off of the death of babies? 342 00:23:42.119 --> 00:23:45.559 That's often what I will say. I like the way that that you 343 00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.240 led up to that, but if they are there for an abortion, it 344 00:23:49.240 --> 00:23:55.000 gives you the opportunity for them to talk about why abortion is wrong instead of 345 00:23:55.079 --> 00:23:57.920 you telling them. They have now, through your series of questions, told 346 00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:03.039 you and for sure they're going to go in there and think about that discussion. 347 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:08.119 Yeah, so one of the points that I think is really important to 348 00:24:08.119 --> 00:24:11.720 remember is oftentimes all we're doing is planting to see. Yeah, we just 349 00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:18.599 have to keep that in our heart because we may not see an immediate result. 350 00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:22.799 Yeah, of those questions. They may still go in and abort, 351 00:24:22.839 --> 00:24:26.759 but maybe the next baby will be saved or maybe they will change their lifestyle 352 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:30.920 or maybe they will pursue knowing more about this God that this person. Yeah, 353 00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:36.039 was was talking about. Yeah, one principle I want to point out, 354 00:24:36.359 --> 00:24:40.759 and you covered a little bit in this article, is the brochure. 355 00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:45.160 Getting the brochure into their hands can cut through any lies, like they're not 356 00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:48.000 having a conversation with you. And you know, why do we lie? 357 00:24:48.000 --> 00:24:49.799 A lot of times, like I talked about earlier, we lie to protect 358 00:24:49.839 --> 00:24:56.920 ourselves, to save face, to you know, kind of guard against encroachment 359 00:24:56.160 --> 00:24:59.960 of other people and judgment and all of the stuff. Like why would a 360 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:03.559 woman coming to the abortion center. This is this is a question that I 361 00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:07.599 have. Actually, if she's coming to the abortion center and she's going to 362 00:25:07.599 --> 00:25:11.440 take the life of her baby and she's gonna lie about that, why did 363 00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:14.319 she even stop and talk? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, like, 364 00:25:14.359 --> 00:25:17.880 if she's gonna lie about why she's there, why does? Why does 365 00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:21.559 it? She just because many do, but why does Song Stranger? Yes, 366 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:23.359 that that's even what you know. I can see line. To your 367 00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:27.319 family members maybe, but to a total stranger we shall never see again. 368 00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:32.319 Why? I? Yeah, why? Why even take the time to stop? 369 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:34.920 Right? I've had people stop in the driveway and make up a pretty 370 00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:40.480 extravagant lie and I ask myself, why don't they just keep driving in Anorem 371 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:42.720 me. It's because of guilt, that's why. Yeah, yeah, and 372 00:25:42.799 --> 00:25:47.400 because they want to say face and because they want to appear. The Bible 373 00:25:47.440 --> 00:25:49.519 says each one, each man, will claim his own goodness. We want 374 00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:53.160 to proclaim our goodness. Want to make sure that people know we're actually doing 375 00:25:53.200 --> 00:25:56.599 the right thing, unlike everybody else. And reality it's a fig leaf. 376 00:25:56.720 --> 00:26:03.000 Yeah, but kind of going back to the brochure, the brochure kind of 377 00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:06.200 handles all of that, because it's really a conversation. Was the reading that 378 00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:08.279 brochure, their scripture in there. The Gospel is laid out in there, 379 00:26:08.319 --> 00:26:12.119 the fetal development of three talking points are laid out in there. They get 380 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:15.680 that literature and they got to deal with what they're reading on that between them 381 00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:19.079 and the Lord, Right. It's not about trying to guard themselves and protect 382 00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:23.359 themselves against my judgment or whatever. It's like. They're reading it and they 383 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.759 they can apply it. So we definitely need to speak and we need to 384 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:32.599 engage in conversation as much as we can. But that brochure, that needs 385 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:34.640 to be the first thing we get into their hands. So, whether they're 386 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:38.000 lying to us or not, just let that thing speak and you can save 387 00:26:38.119 --> 00:26:41.200 this is for your friend. Then yeah, you don't have to expose the 388 00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.519 lie in one of the reasons, by the way, that that when it's 389 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.799 not wise to directly, at least expose and confront expose the lie in a 390 00:26:49.839 --> 00:26:55.720 confrontational way. Yeah, we are planning seats. Sometimes those seeds sprout while 391 00:26:55.880 --> 00:27:00.799 they are in that abortion center and you don't want to have slam the door 392 00:27:00.920 --> 00:27:07.279 on the relationship by being so confrontational or calling them names, like calling them 393 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.599 a liar. Yeah, that they won't come talk with you if they change 394 00:27:11.640 --> 00:27:15.559 their mind. Yeah, and that does happen. They will get in there, 395 00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:21.200 that everything you've said has finally kind of hit home and God has convicted 396 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:25.720 their heart and they come out and they are willing then to find out how 397 00:27:25.720 --> 00:27:32.400 we can help. Yeah, and oftentimes the lies are partialized, right. 398 00:27:32.519 --> 00:27:36.720 Like one of the partial eyes that I'm remembering recently was a woman who said 399 00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:41.039 she was there for a high risk pregnancy and so she had to abort the 400 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.680 baby and it was a high risk pregnancy, but by the time she finally 401 00:27:45.720 --> 00:27:49.119 came out and talked to me more and and had chosen life, it turns 402 00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:55.119 out it wasn't really the high risk pregnancy that was the true issue. There 403 00:27:55.119 --> 00:28:00.640 were other things. So the keeping the door of communication open is one of 404 00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.799 the major reasons be careful and directly confronting, right, that we know that 405 00:28:03.839 --> 00:28:08.240 they're Lyne because we they may change their mind and we do want them to 406 00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:11.559 come back and speak with us. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. And 407 00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:17.079 in all this, just as with everything, we need to be walking with 408 00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.599 the Lord. Yeah, in God can expose those laws. It can be 409 00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.519 you can you can expose the laws all you want, you can point out 410 00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:26.759 the inconsistencies and what they're saying all you want, but if the conviction of 411 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.599 the Holy Spirit is not there, they're just going to go in. They're 412 00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:33.920 going to be mad at you for judging them or whatever. We need the 413 00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:37.839 conviction of the Holy Spirit. We need to have the Holy Spirit in the 414 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:42.960 conversation, directing the conversation and when there are times where it's appropriate to point 415 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:47.200 out, hey, you just said this and now you're telling me this, 416 00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:49.599 like that doesn't line up. Yeah, you can do that graciously in the 417 00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:53.039 Holy Spirit can guide that conversation and bring conviction, because it's not going to 418 00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:56.200 be you, it's not going to be your tone of voice or whatever that's 419 00:28:56.240 --> 00:28:59.519 going to bring conviction. It's going to be the Holy Spirit. And there 420 00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:04.000 are there are appropriate times to point out in consistencies. Yeah, but still 421 00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:07.799 do that with asking questions. So you just told me this and now you're 422 00:29:07.799 --> 00:29:12.440 saying this. Can you help me understand how those two things fit together? 423 00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:17.079 Yeah, that's a really good way to ask right, and sometimes there is 424 00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:18.720 a way that they fit together. And, like you said, they're partial 425 00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:23.400 lie. There untrues that are twisted and again, these are mechanisms are trying 426 00:29:23.440 --> 00:29:30.720 to protect themselves against right, your judgment, against embarrassment or whatever. And 427 00:29:30.799 --> 00:29:34.480 so yeah, just asking the Holy Spirit to help you navigate through these conversations 428 00:29:34.519 --> 00:29:38.160 is very important and that's why I think it's really important, as we're on 429 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.640 our way to the abortion center, to be in prayer, to ask the 430 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.880 Lord to give us his wisdom when we're there with our team on the sidewalk, 431 00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.240 to start with prayer, dedicate the morning to the Lord and ask his 432 00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.400 wisdom, ask him to come into the the situations that you're facing on a 433 00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:57.799 daytoday basis. And I want to say take that seriously, that advice seriously 434 00:29:57.839 --> 00:30:04.279 everyone, because I do when I remember you saying one Daniel, as you're 435 00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.519 driving into the abortion center, is really not the time to be listening to 436 00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:14.079 the news right the radio. Well, I often used to, because it's 437 00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.079 really the only time I ever hear the news. I don't don't let I 438 00:30:17.119 --> 00:30:22.279 don't even have a television to hear or stations that broadcast news or anything. 439 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.559 So but I stopped doing it after hearing that and I thought I'm really going 440 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:30.119 to devote this drive, which is a half hour drive for me to prayer. 441 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.559 Yeah, specifically for these women coming and and I think it really changed 442 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:38.920 my effectiveness out on the sidebox. So I really think that is really good 443 00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:45.599 advice. Devote the morning prior to coming to the abortion center to to being 444 00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:51.200 in prayer, being in the word and and asking God and the Holy Spirit 445 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:53.799 to be helping you. Yeah, Amen, that's good. Well, guys, 446 00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.720 we hope that this podcast episode was a blessing to you. Guys, 447 00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.279 if you want to reach out to me, you can reach me Daniel at 448 00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.160 love life don't Org. You can reach her Vicky at love life don't Org. 449 00:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.920 We'd love to hear from you suggestions for future podcast maybe clarification that you 450 00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:12.319 need on previous episodes that we've done. We do these things to encourage you. 451 00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:15.680 We put these episodes out to challenge you and equip you, and so 452 00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.839 we hope that they do that for you. Let us know if, if, 453 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:23.279 again, there's other things that we can cover, but until next time, 454 00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:32.519 God bless yet bless you all. You give me out left for love. 455 00:31:36.240 --> 00:31:45.000 Give me our life for gratitude. I know it will cost me my 456 00:31:45.039 --> 00:31:52.960 life. Nothing's too precious. Since I met you,