March 23, 2020

What Does Coronavirus Have to Do With Abortion?

What Does Coronavirus Have to Do With Abortion?

Special Episode


With Coronavirus sweeping the nation and the world, there's a lot of fear and concern. As believers, we have hope in Christ but these are still trying times. In this special episode, Vicky and Daniel talk about this current crisis and look at Biblical principles that will challenge and encourage you through this difficult time.

 

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.630 Lord, I am your what in the world is coronavirus have to do with 3 00:00:10.710 --> 00:00:13.990 abortion? Join us in this episode of Gospel Center Pro Life. Is Me 4 00:00:14.029 --> 00:00:19.429 and Vicky talk about coronavirus and abortion, the similarities in the biblical implications. 5 00:00:19.829 --> 00:00:32.060 Stay too. I felt show passish, touch your heart. Use Me. 6 00:00:34.619 --> 00:00:39.009 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We wanted to have a little 7 00:00:39.049 --> 00:00:46.090 bit of a conversation, because everyone is having a conversation. I'll share the 8 00:00:47.009 --> 00:00:53.920 coronavirus, covid nineteen, and so we wanted to talk about it and we 9 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:57.640 want to talk about it in light of abortion and in light of the Gospel 10 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:02.200 and you might be wondering, hopefully you are wondering, what in the world 11 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:07.269 does coronavirus have to do with abortion? Where you wondering that? Whenever I 12 00:01:07.390 --> 00:01:10.829 ask you, Hey, you cover this topic now? No, I because 13 00:01:10.829 --> 00:01:14.750 I was thinking, okay, pro life, life's in there and coronavirus kills, 14 00:01:14.870 --> 00:01:18.109 so it's antied life. So okay, it's like abortion. Yeah, 15 00:01:18.620 --> 00:01:23.099 it is, but in particular, and we'll touch on a few topics. 16 00:01:23.739 --> 00:01:26.540 What as far as the Christian response, what should our response be to this 17 00:01:26.620 --> 00:01:32.299 thing because, you know, just full to disclosure, I'm probably all over 18 00:01:32.379 --> 00:01:34.849 the map about this thing. I'm one of those guys is like, you 19 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:38.489 know, the government's going to tell me I can't go places or I can't 20 00:01:38.530 --> 00:01:41.450 do things. The government ain't telling me, squat, I'll do it I 21 00:01:41.609 --> 00:01:45.370 want. I'll take that attitude. But also I take the attitude of well, 22 00:01:45.489 --> 00:01:48.159 you know, God has put us under submission to the government and we're 23 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:51.560 supposed to do things that, as long as they're not telling us to disobey 24 00:01:51.599 --> 00:01:53.879 God, we're supposed to obey the government and that sort of thing. So 25 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:57.680 I'm in this tension of governing and to tell me what to do and, 26 00:01:57.920 --> 00:02:00.790 you know, also wisdom. I need to use wisdom and you know, 27 00:02:01.030 --> 00:02:06.549 as a prolife person who believes every life is valuable, there's some implications of 28 00:02:06.750 --> 00:02:12.189 not using wisdom and how my decisions and my actions can affect other people. 29 00:02:12.389 --> 00:02:15.229 Yeah, and that ties directly into abortion, which is, you know, 30 00:02:15.349 --> 00:02:16.740 one of the points that we're going to touch on. US We're talking through 31 00:02:17.139 --> 00:02:20.780 but what I wanted to do, as I don't want, I wanted to 32 00:02:21.740 --> 00:02:24.740 not really. I guess maybe we'll come to some conclusions here, but just 33 00:02:24.900 --> 00:02:30.169 have a conversation and just talk this through. Maybe you guys who are listening, 34 00:02:30.250 --> 00:02:32.169 you can help me. Maybe there's some points as we're going through this 35 00:02:32.490 --> 00:02:36.770 that we didn't mention, that we didn't think through, that we didn't talk 36 00:02:36.810 --> 00:02:39.289 about that we needed to, and you can help me, help me be 37 00:02:39.530 --> 00:02:44.319 more clear on where I should stand on this. Again, I don't really 38 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.479 care. I do care in the sense that, you know, the government 39 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:50.199 says things and we're supposed to be in submission to the government, CDC, 40 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:53.479 all of that, but more than anything, I care about what the Bible 41 00:02:53.560 --> 00:02:57.520 says. What does the Scripture say? So if you're gonna argue with me 42 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.509 about what my attitude should be toward the coronavirus, you're going to have to 43 00:03:00.590 --> 00:03:04.710 use scripture. For me, and some other stuff too, scripture is going 44 00:03:04.750 --> 00:03:07.389 to be the main and that's that's what we did in our attempt to, 45 00:03:07.750 --> 00:03:09.469 you know, to work through this discussion that we're about to have. We 46 00:03:09.629 --> 00:03:13.379 looked, we looked at scripture. For me, one of the I think 47 00:03:13.419 --> 00:03:15.939 the biggest tension is who to believe, is it? Yeah, we'll read 48 00:03:15.939 --> 00:03:20.860 run article where it's very terrifying. There was a family in New York at 49 00:03:20.900 --> 00:03:23.939 a family gathering. I think of ten, okay, and seven, three 50 00:03:23.979 --> 00:03:28.569 of them died and for them are in I see you right now, right 51 00:03:28.650 --> 00:03:31.129 out of seven out of ten. I mean that's pretty terrifying. And then 52 00:03:31.129 --> 00:03:36.409 I read articles that that point, you know, print not all the numbers 53 00:03:36.490 --> 00:03:40.169 of people affected and and really a relatively low death rate, lower than the 54 00:03:40.250 --> 00:03:46.919 flu from what I can see in America right now, and probably the coronavirus 55 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:51.479 numbers are under reported. There's probably lots of people who've already had it and 56 00:03:51.599 --> 00:03:53.919 recovered or don't even know they have it because they're such a mild case. 57 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:58.110 So that's for me. Yeah, who to believe? Who to believe, 58 00:03:58.270 --> 00:04:00.830 and and and I just and a certainly is no help to get on facebook 59 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.389 and see everybody's opinion there, because I got, you know, on my 60 00:04:03.469 --> 00:04:06.789 facebook feed and we have a lot of the same folks as friends. I'm 61 00:04:06.789 --> 00:04:12.259 seeing every every end of the spectrum and everything in between. Yeah, stay 62 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:15.460 out of the general public, never even come out of your house. All, 63 00:04:15.500 --> 00:04:16.860 who cares about this virus? You know, on the other the other 64 00:04:16.939 --> 00:04:20.379 end of the spectrum, it's just the government, conspiracy whatever. And you 65 00:04:20.459 --> 00:04:24.810 see so much. You see so much, also on social media right now, 66 00:04:24.810 --> 00:04:28.250 at least in our groups, which are, in my case, largely 67 00:04:28.649 --> 00:04:31.490 believers, saying, oh well, perfect love cast out fear. If you 68 00:04:31.569 --> 00:04:35.930 love the Lord, you shall have no fear. And and basically your you're 69 00:04:36.649 --> 00:04:43.160 faithless if if you're worried at all. Yeah, and and and then you 70 00:04:43.279 --> 00:04:46.279 know the the other side that that saying you should be worried. There's a 71 00:04:46.399 --> 00:04:48.519 lot of diy all that to all right, there will it paper. You 72 00:04:48.639 --> 00:04:51.600 can. You should be worried, worried for your family and for your life. 73 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:56.910 And I suspect, you know, the where we should end up is 74 00:04:57.029 --> 00:05:00.110 maybe somewhere kind of down the middle. But so it seems like it's like 75 00:05:00.230 --> 00:05:03.310 that with a lot of stuff. There's this biblical tension of, you know, 76 00:05:03.430 --> 00:05:08.300 not going in one ditch or the other. And hopefully at the end 77 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.819 of this podcast will have you guys. Maybe we'll help balance you out. 78 00:05:13.060 --> 00:05:15.300 Maybe, who knows, maybe you'll help balance us out, as you responded 79 00:05:15.379 --> 00:05:18.100 this podcast and let us know how terrible it was or how great it was. 80 00:05:18.779 --> 00:05:23.449 And and so let's jump into it, though, because we're talking about 81 00:05:23.490 --> 00:05:28.730 a communical pool disease. Yeah, Cole disease, which means it can be 82 00:05:30.329 --> 00:05:33.769 passed along to other people, and so there are some implications here. We're 83 00:05:33.810 --> 00:05:39.399 going to talk about bodily autonomy and how your decisions affect other people in a 84 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:44.800 biblical framework for that and a biblical understanding of that. But let's talk about 85 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.829 because it's not like the Bible doesn't mention communicable diseases. It does mention these 86 00:05:49.949 --> 00:05:55.430 diseases and you know it does. It should help us to see how thorough 87 00:05:55.550 --> 00:05:59.310 God is in his word, and we talked in the numbers podcast about how 88 00:05:59.389 --> 00:06:01.189 thorough God is and keeping numbers, but how there are is in dealing with 89 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:05.740 stuff like communicable diseases, in particular with leprosy and and some folks say, 90 00:06:05.740 --> 00:06:10.980 and I think it's true, if you study out leprosy and what's implied here 91 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:14.420 in the Leviticus passage, what they were dealing with the New Testament, it 92 00:06:14.899 --> 00:06:18.250 could include a lot more than just what we properly know as leprosy. It 93 00:06:18.290 --> 00:06:23.569 could be other skin diseases, other diseases that are that affect person in similar 94 00:06:23.610 --> 00:06:26.449 ways. Yeah, but you know, broadly we're talking about leprosy. I 95 00:06:26.490 --> 00:06:29.889 think probably I could be wrong about this. Maybe I need to study it 96 00:06:29.970 --> 00:06:32.480 more before I say this. Probably the word leprosy is more of a broad 97 00:06:32.519 --> 00:06:36.240 term than just a particular communic couple disease that we know is leprosy now, 98 00:06:36.240 --> 00:06:40.800 but maybe not. I don't. But does God talk about this disease? 99 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.959 Is God talk about diseases and passing diseases in the Bible? Yeah, and 100 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:47.670 and of course, you know, leprosy is what came right to my mind 101 00:06:47.709 --> 00:06:50.269 as I was thinking about this. So, and there are a lot of 102 00:06:50.350 --> 00:06:57.149 parallels. Lepers in in that time period were socially isolated. That is how 103 00:06:57.670 --> 00:07:01.980 the spread of leprosy was contained. They were socially isolated and they were self 104 00:07:02.139 --> 00:07:08.699 responsible, but through the rule of the government. You know that that they 105 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:13.420 were too, and God's Word said that. Actually it was in God's word. 106 00:07:13.540 --> 00:07:17.170 The command was that they were to alert everyone who came near them that 107 00:07:17.410 --> 00:07:23.810 would be in danger by shouting unclean, unclean. Yeah, Leviticus thirteen, 108 00:07:24.089 --> 00:07:27.490 forty five through forty six. You right, like you always do. Written 109 00:07:27.490 --> 00:07:31.160 an outline here, an article basically, and the will post this anywhere. 110 00:07:31.160 --> 00:07:33.920 It just helps us as we flow through this. Yeah, but at yeah, 111 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.319 leviticas one thousand three hundred and forty five through forty six the Lebrous, 112 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:42.199 person who has the disease shall wear torn clothes and let the hair of his 113 00:07:42.319 --> 00:07:46.430 head hang loose, and he shall cover his upper lip and cry out unclean, 114 00:07:46.509 --> 00:07:48.910 unclean, he shrimming, unclean. As long as he has the disease, 115 00:07:49.149 --> 00:07:53.310 he is unclean. He shall them, he shall live alone, his 116 00:07:53.389 --> 00:07:57.110 dwellings shall be outside of the camp. So this is quarantining. Basically, 117 00:07:57.269 --> 00:08:03.420 he's separated from the general population and the intention is that he wouldn't share that 118 00:08:03.579 --> 00:08:07.339 disease and spread that disease to the rest of Israel. And there was no 119 00:08:07.500 --> 00:08:11.740 cure for for lepre seat. There was no vaccine, there was no vaccine, 120 00:08:11.819 --> 00:08:16.009 there was no medicine that they could take. They basically would just slowly 121 00:08:16.050 --> 00:08:20.209 lose all of their body part seems that sounds like a fun podcast. Yeah, 122 00:08:20.370 --> 00:08:22.730 that would be a middle one. That would be a good one. 123 00:08:22.889 --> 00:08:26.680 About fifty years from yeah, but you know, whenever I read about the 124 00:08:26.720 --> 00:08:31.039 lepers it makes me so sad. Yeah, I mean they had a miserable 125 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:39.879 existence, but but God did that to protect his community. Yeah, to 126 00:08:39.960 --> 00:08:45.830 protect the rest of the community. So now that's kind of in sharp contrast 127 00:08:46.149 --> 00:08:48.110 to what happens in the New Testament. And yes, yes, yeah, 128 00:08:48.629 --> 00:08:52.509 you know I've said before I actually preached on this passage that you brought up. 129 00:08:54.110 --> 00:08:56.500 Actually, matthew and mark, as long as well as Luke, have 130 00:08:56.659 --> 00:09:03.980 this particular story shared where this lepross man comes before Jesus and basically preached about, 131 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:09.049 you know, how in the New Testament or in the Old Testament, 132 00:09:09.210 --> 00:09:15.809 the unclean makes the clean unclean. In the New Testament the clean makes the 133 00:09:15.889 --> 00:09:18.370 unclean clean. Oh, that's interesting and it's true. You know, in 134 00:09:18.370 --> 00:09:20.889 the Old Testament if you touch the lepros person, you were unclean. You 135 00:09:20.970 --> 00:09:24.320 are not supposed to touch a list leper person. You were unclean after that 136 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:28.200 point. But in the New Testament, you know, in this story, 137 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.120 this is Luke, Chapter Five, or this man comes, a sleppers man 138 00:09:31.200 --> 00:09:35.200 comes before Jesus and the Bible says in one passage he bowed down, bow 139 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:37.360 down and worshiped him and said, Lord, if you are willing, you 140 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:39.470 can make me clean. So he knew that Jesus was able to the question 141 00:09:39.549 --> 00:09:45.070 was he willing? and Jesus stretches out his hand, touches the man and 142 00:09:45.509 --> 00:09:48.470 says I'm willing be cleansed and he the leprosy leaves him, he's a good 143 00:09:48.470 --> 00:09:52.100 present himself before the priest and give the offering that is required for a person 144 00:09:52.179 --> 00:09:56.340 that's been cleansed of leprosy. And mean of you know the story. But 145 00:09:56.019 --> 00:10:01.179 Jesus makes this unclean man, rather than Jesus becoming unclean, which is the 146 00:10:01.299 --> 00:10:03.539 the typical way it would happen in the Old Testament, under the new covenant, 147 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:09.250 Jesus makes this unclean man clean, to his cleanliness anyway. That's a 148 00:10:09.690 --> 00:10:13.129 you know that that'll preach and doesn't necessarily have to do with this, but 149 00:10:13.210 --> 00:10:16.330 it does have to do with the fact that Jesus was not afraid of the 150 00:10:16.409 --> 00:10:20.889 leprosy. You could say, you know, he's he's God. Yeah, 151 00:10:20.889 --> 00:10:24.600 of course he is. What the Bible does tell tell us that he laid 152 00:10:24.840 --> 00:10:30.240 the that glorious side his divinity, in the sense that you're functioning as God. 153 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.799 He laid that aside and took on the form of a servant. Yeah, 154 00:10:35.159 --> 00:10:39.029 became a human being. So he he certainly stepped out as a human 155 00:10:39.070 --> 00:10:43.389 being in touch this man, yeah, who was lepers as far as not 156 00:10:43.470 --> 00:10:48.110 mine in clinging right and as far as we know, though some things says, 157 00:10:48.110 --> 00:10:52.379 I'm trying to connect that with coronavirus. He didn't tell the rest of 158 00:10:52.460 --> 00:10:56.379 the lepers okay, everybody go, just join the community. Yeah, he 159 00:10:56.460 --> 00:11:01.940 didn't change the social isolation. And I think it's interesting, though, went 160 00:11:03.220 --> 00:11:07.250 that the lepers says if you are willing, yeah, and then Jesus says, 161 00:11:07.289 --> 00:11:16.409 I am willing, and that spoke to me about how so many of 162 00:11:16.570 --> 00:11:20.759 the things I'm seen written on social media talk about well, you're safe, 163 00:11:20.960 --> 00:11:26.399 you're you're you're a believer and God will protect us and and and all of 164 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:31.480 this will. Yeah, I think we're presuming upon God's willingness or lack of 165 00:11:31.559 --> 00:11:37.629 willingness to heal or to protect. He may or may not, and I 166 00:11:37.830 --> 00:11:43.629 think that there is a call for wisdom. Jesus did not say to those 167 00:11:43.710 --> 00:11:48.740 lepers, since I'm in control, you all go on out and I'll take 168 00:11:48.779 --> 00:11:52.379 care of my people. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, he certainly 169 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:56.259 didn't overturn complete that social norm, although touching the lepers man, that was 170 00:11:56.620 --> 00:12:01.210 that was confronting a social norm. Yeah, and some could argue, and 171 00:12:01.210 --> 00:12:03.929 I think a good argument could be made, that Jesus did that not as 172 00:12:03.970 --> 00:12:07.769 abroad. You know, I will I'm willing to heal every lepers person, 173 00:12:09.049 --> 00:12:11.809 but as a particular sign and a testimony, and certainly was that, and 174 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:16.519 to the Ministry of Jesus. But I believe he shows his willingness to step 175 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:20.120 out and to break with social norms to meet this man's need, and he 176 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.039 certainly did right. He looked on this man with compassion. Now does that 177 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.519 mean then, you know, bringing it to today, and as far as 178 00:12:28.559 --> 00:12:33.070 the coronavirus, the coronavirus with Jesus heal someone from the of the coronavirus? 179 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.389 Certainly he would. Certainly he can. He may already have. You know, 180 00:12:37.549 --> 00:12:41.309 somebody maybe had it and has been healed from it. God still does 181 00:12:41.389 --> 00:12:43.340 that, I believe, in this day at age. Does that mean, 182 00:12:43.419 --> 00:12:46.779 though, we need to go out as Christians and start, you know, 183 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:52.659 laying hands on everybody that has coronavirus and and and, you know, potentially 184 00:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.259 passing it around everyone? Hey, no, I don't think that it does. 185 00:12:56.659 --> 00:12:58.769 I think that we, as you said, we have to use wisdom. 186 00:13:00.370 --> 00:13:05.450 We have certain directives and their people smarter than me, smarter maybe even 187 00:13:05.529 --> 00:13:11.009 than you, no doubt, who have said they're there are these risks that 188 00:13:11.090 --> 00:13:13.679 are involved in passing this thing around, and so do this and do that. 189 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:18.840 So I think, you know, there has to be that has to 190 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.879 be taken into consideration, not just this idea that if you have enough faith 191 00:13:22.200 --> 00:13:24.759 then God it's not going to make you sick. Yeah, and and I 192 00:13:24.919 --> 00:13:28.710 think that at that house God's not going to let you get sick. That's 193 00:13:28.750 --> 00:13:31.309 right, he I'm sure there's Christians that are dying of this too, but 194 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:37.590 it helps me just to say this and to think about this, that it's 195 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:43.179 not a measure of your standing before God or your faith if you're not going 196 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:48.620 to be shaking all your friend's hands right now. They're saying don't shake hands. 197 00:13:48.700 --> 00:13:54.659 But I do get this sense by some people in the Christian community that 198 00:13:54.769 --> 00:14:01.210 that shows I'm quivering in fear or that I'm not as good a Christianist. 199 00:14:01.330 --> 00:14:05.610 Yeah, or maybe even the the idea of having church services. Are Church 200 00:14:05.850 --> 00:14:09.769 is not meeting? Yes, as far as you know, as a congregation 201 00:14:09.850 --> 00:14:13.840 of the same building, our pastors are doing online service at you know, 202 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.879 last Sunday. It was great. You know, just confess when I first 203 00:14:16.960 --> 00:14:20.480 heard that they were not going to have services, I'm like what, Canceling 204 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:24.549 Church Service? Yeah, because of this thing. Yeah, and you know, 205 00:14:24.590 --> 00:14:26.710 I took the sort of I don't know, I didn't take the you 206 00:14:26.789 --> 00:14:30.230 know, you don't have faith approach, but I was just disappointed. I 207 00:14:30.350 --> 00:14:31.470 was like, man, we got to press through this. And then I 208 00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:33.470 was like, you know, the Lord really spoke to my heart. Hey, 209 00:14:33.549 --> 00:14:39.460 you put yourself under submission to your pastor and the leadership there and they're 210 00:14:39.460 --> 00:14:41.139 doing the best they can with the information they have and they're trying to apply 211 00:14:41.299 --> 00:14:45.419 wisdom and, you know, I felt like, okay, you're right, 212 00:14:45.500 --> 00:14:48.899 Lord. I did. And then we watch the church service Sunday morning, 213 00:14:48.139 --> 00:14:52.259 right, and it was I was blessed by it. Yes, it was 214 00:14:52.379 --> 00:14:54.090 good as a family who watch together in our live room, and it was 215 00:14:54.129 --> 00:15:00.169 a blessing and I trust that God is is guiding the leaders of our fellowship 216 00:15:00.169 --> 00:15:03.409 and the other churches around, even though I might might not be my perfect 217 00:15:03.529 --> 00:15:05.730 will for that to happen. Yeah, I think that, you know, 218 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:09.480 God has other people in that position to make that decision rather than me for 219 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:13.480 a reason. Yeah, I mean there's been some good things from all of 220 00:15:13.639 --> 00:15:18.480 this social isolation. I've heard so many stories of families that are gathering together 221 00:15:18.600 --> 00:15:22.990 and doing simple things that families should be doing. Yeah, together, there 222 00:15:24.110 --> 00:15:26.669 worshiping to go and also I think it's helping people just not be gross. 223 00:15:28.710 --> 00:15:31.870 You know, that's like one of the one of the benefits. Well, 224 00:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.350 I wash my hand. I'm not a FREAKO. Wash my hands your everything, 225 00:15:35.549 --> 00:15:37.500 but you know, I wash my hands on a pretty regular basis, 226 00:15:37.580 --> 00:15:41.620 normally because I think it's gross not to write every time I use the bath 227 00:15:41.700 --> 00:15:46.700 it. Listen, if if you needed the coronavirus in order to start washing 228 00:15:46.740 --> 00:15:50.370 your hands after use the bathroom, you're a gross person. In your part 229 00:15:50.409 --> 00:15:54.129 of the problem. But and and that brings up a second point that I 230 00:15:54.250 --> 00:16:02.970 was thinking about, is that many times these sorts of things, not that 231 00:16:03.049 --> 00:16:07.279 I've ever had a global pandemic before. I never lived through one, which 232 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:11.879 better during the bubonic plague, and I'm not that was a few hit me 233 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:19.549 on but I I, I do think that there is certainly biblical evidence that 234 00:16:19.710 --> 00:16:32.309 God uses terrible things like plagues to punish and alarm and wake up people to 235 00:16:33.379 --> 00:16:37.179 unrighteousness and wickedness. And I as and that's where I think it does relate 236 00:16:37.179 --> 00:16:45.299 very directly to abortion. Is this plague the result of the worldwide growth in 237 00:16:45.620 --> 00:16:48.450 the acceptance of abortion? I don't know. Yeah, but I don't. 238 00:16:48.570 --> 00:16:52.929 I'm not going to be opposed to thinking that that could be the case, 239 00:16:52.090 --> 00:16:57.570 because abortion is wicked. God hates the shutting of innocent blood. He hates 240 00:16:57.970 --> 00:17:07.039 people killing babies. Yeah, and and there's been so much effort to encourage 241 00:17:07.119 --> 00:17:11.680 people to recognize that and to so little avail. Yes, so many people 242 00:17:11.720 --> 00:17:15.519 have hardened their hearts and stiff in their necks. Yeah, you know, 243 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:18.069 I'm certainly not going to be the you know, I Guess Doomsday Prophet that 244 00:17:18.150 --> 00:17:22.670 says, you know, this is absolutely a judgment from God and and you 245 00:17:22.789 --> 00:17:26.150 know, but I will say God does bring judgment and people need to repent, 246 00:17:26.549 --> 00:17:29.190 whether or not this is a judgment from God or, you know, 247 00:17:29.269 --> 00:17:33.740 it's from the devil, or it's just a virus that can come back from 248 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.900 China. Yeah, either way, this is an opportunity, I think, 249 00:17:38.019 --> 00:17:41.059 for people, I know, for people, to check themselves. Yeah, 250 00:17:41.420 --> 00:17:45.769 yeah, the Bible says if we judge ourselves, will not be judged of 251 00:17:45.849 --> 00:17:49.490 God. We need to make an examination of ourselves. Believers, Christians, 252 00:17:51.089 --> 00:17:53.250 we guys, we have to make an assessment of our behavior. If you're 253 00:17:53.250 --> 00:17:56.849 one of those people, and I get it, we need to take care 254 00:17:56.890 --> 00:17:59.960 of our families. I have a family are we have ten in our family. 255 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.200 But if you're one of those people, as soon as you heard about 256 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:07.319 this coronavirus, you went to the store and you bought eighty seven packs of 257 00:18:07.519 --> 00:18:12.349 toilet paper. I think you probably did that out of fear and I think 258 00:18:12.390 --> 00:18:15.509 it's probably should be evidence to you, evident to you, that you're a 259 00:18:15.549 --> 00:18:19.470 selfish person, because now I don't have toilet paper in my house. We 260 00:18:19.589 --> 00:18:22.789 do actually, but you know what I'm saying. It's like this selfishness that 261 00:18:22.910 --> 00:18:26.789 flows. I'll got to take care of of myself. I've got to take 262 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:30.140 care of me in my own whenever. Really, as believers, were supposed 263 00:18:30.180 --> 00:18:33.140 to consider those around us. Maybe you bought eighty seven packs of toilet paper 264 00:18:33.299 --> 00:18:37.180 so you can give your neighbor some toilet paper and praise God. Hope, 265 00:18:37.299 --> 00:18:40.140 hopefully, you did that. But even as a world you know you're we're 266 00:18:40.180 --> 00:18:42.089 talking about judgment. We're talking about the way that God brings judgments and we 267 00:18:42.289 --> 00:18:47.250 do know in the Bible, old Tesiman and New Testament, that God will 268 00:18:47.329 --> 00:18:51.970 bring pestilence. I think this would qualify as pestilence. Pestilence is like insects 269 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:59.359 and some kind of invasion of some foreign or a Dissolu disinvited creature, and 270 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:03.680 I think a virus would wouldn't qualify as that. This is pestilence and whether 271 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:07.279 it's again, it's been unleashed by the Lord as a judgment. Either way, 272 00:19:07.400 --> 00:19:11.950 we let's not waste it. Yeah, right, let's let's check ourselves 273 00:19:11.990 --> 00:19:15.589 as believers, as a nation, let's check ourselves. Are we right with 274 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.190 God? And I would say, you know, of course we're not. 275 00:19:18.349 --> 00:19:19.670 As a nation, we need to turn back to the Lord and I've been 276 00:19:19.869 --> 00:19:22.990 man. As a family, we've been praying. God. Use this exactly 277 00:19:23.029 --> 00:19:26.259 because, if nothing else, people, you know, will wash their hands 278 00:19:26.660 --> 00:19:30.380 when they're supposed to not be gross, but people will check their own mortality. 279 00:19:30.859 --> 00:19:33.339 They don't. You listen, you, you're not going to live forever. 280 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.700 You're not going to be on this earth forever. Whether you coronavirus gets 281 00:19:37.740 --> 00:19:41.009 you. You know, Ray Comfort. We love him. Right. He 282 00:19:41.089 --> 00:19:44.890 says the ultimate statistic ten out of ten people die. Were all going to 283 00:19:44.930 --> 00:19:47.970 be part of that ultimate statistic. You're going to die. If you don't 284 00:19:48.009 --> 00:19:52.130 die from something, death is going to get you right, right, and 285 00:19:52.289 --> 00:19:56.480 so you're going to die from something. And we're going to face the Lord. 286 00:19:56.640 --> 00:19:59.279 So as believers, we're going to face God. We're going to have 287 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.240 to give an account for our lives and how we've lived. Yeah, so, 288 00:20:02.319 --> 00:20:06.680 if nothing else, allow this is an opportunity for reflection and be a 289 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:08.309 witness in a testimony. It probably not the best thing for you to be 290 00:20:08.390 --> 00:20:11.910 tapping on facebook about how much God hates America and that's why he's judging. 291 00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:15.869 Probably probably not the best testimony, but but the testimony of worn in people 292 00:20:17.190 --> 00:20:19.430 of whether or not this is a judgment. There is judgment to come and 293 00:20:19.829 --> 00:20:23.539 inviting people to come to the Lord and to check themselves. Yeah, as 294 00:20:23.579 --> 00:20:26.900 a believer and being a testimony to your neighbors and helping out and that sort 295 00:20:26.900 --> 00:20:30.460 of thing can be an opportunity to share the gospel with people. Yeah, 296 00:20:30.460 --> 00:20:34.700 and to be an intercessor in the midst of the plague is very biblical. 297 00:20:34.769 --> 00:20:38.369 Absolutely. So, you know, I'm going to save my voice because I've 298 00:20:38.369 --> 00:20:44.890 got some some rough vocal courts, but if it's not coronavirus now the wagon 299 00:20:44.930 --> 00:20:48.009 around, it's it's and if you hear my voice cracking a promise it's not 300 00:20:48.130 --> 00:20:52.160 corona either. We both there. It's like the pollen. Pollen is thick. 301 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.000 I mean that's like a double whammy form now right, yeah, you 302 00:20:55.079 --> 00:21:00.359 know, but this one is numbers sixteen and it's how number sixteen verses forty 303 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.349 four, two, hundred and fifty and an old testament dealing with the plague 304 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:10.950 and and really pay attention to prayer and intercession for the people in the midst 305 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:12.589 of this plague. Okay, so I'll read it here. And the Lord 306 00:21:12.670 --> 00:21:15.789 spoke to Moses, saying get away from the midst of this congregation, that 307 00:21:15.869 --> 00:21:19.700 I may consume them in a moment. And they fell on their faces and 308 00:21:19.779 --> 00:21:23.019 Moses said to Aaron, Take Your Censer and put fire on it, from 309 00:21:23.059 --> 00:21:26.940 from off the altar, and lay incense on it and carry it quickly to 310 00:21:27.059 --> 00:21:30.420 the congregation and make a toment for them, for wrath has gone out from 311 00:21:30.420 --> 00:21:33.970 the Lord. The plague has begun. So Aaron took it, as Moses 312 00:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.930 had said, and ran into the midst of the assembly and behold, the 313 00:21:37.009 --> 00:21:41.289 plague had already begun among the people. And he put out the incense and 314 00:21:41.329 --> 00:21:44.329 made a Toment for the people and he stood between the dead and the living 315 00:21:44.650 --> 00:21:47.880 and the plague was stopped. Now those who died in the plague. Were 316 00:21:47.920 --> 00:21:51.720 fourteen thousand seven hundred besides of those who died in the affair of Cora, 317 00:21:52.160 --> 00:21:55.680 and Aaron returned to Moses at the entrance of the Tene meeting when the plague 318 00:21:55.759 --> 00:21:59.880 was stopped. So here's intercession, here's Aaron intervening, you know, God 319 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.269 speaking to Moses and Moses speaking to Aaron and the there's intercession, there's interestanding 320 00:22:06.309 --> 00:22:10.470 between the living and the dead and and putting out in atonement for the people. 321 00:22:10.630 --> 00:22:14.789 And Yeah, and back in those days it was Jesus had not yet 322 00:22:14.950 --> 00:22:19.900 come in as and died on the cross, and now the atonement is to 323 00:22:21.099 --> 00:22:26.740 point people to Jesus. Yeah, and to sacrifice on their behalf. So 324 00:22:26.099 --> 00:22:30.690 prayer, intercession, pointing others to God and Atonement, I think, are 325 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:36.809 all really important things for us all to be actively doing. Yeah, during 326 00:22:36.890 --> 00:22:40.849 this during this plague. Yeah, yeah, and that that again, you 327 00:22:40.970 --> 00:22:44.089 got to balance that out. It's it's, you know, probably not the 328 00:22:44.170 --> 00:22:48.039 best testimony to be putting on facebook or whatever, be standing in the grocery 329 00:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.720 store and yelling at everybody this is a judgment of God. You need to 330 00:22:49.799 --> 00:22:53.759 repent right. That never goes well. It typically does not go well, 331 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:59.630 but taken, I don't say capitalizing on the moment because I don't want to 332 00:22:59.630 --> 00:23:02.109 make light of it, but it's sort of like that. We're taking this 333 00:23:02.269 --> 00:23:07.269 moment where people are reflecting on their own mortality. Yeah, and there's fear 334 00:23:07.029 --> 00:23:11.109 and people are under a spirit of fear, to bring the truth of the 335 00:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.819 Gospel and to point them to the one who, the Bible does say perfect 336 00:23:15.900 --> 00:23:18.859 love casts out fear. You don't have to be under a spirit of fear. 337 00:23:18.140 --> 00:23:22.140 Now, fear and caution are two different things. Being under you know, 338 00:23:22.259 --> 00:23:26.289 just kind of hiding under a rock somewhere and and not wanting to be 339 00:23:26.289 --> 00:23:30.690 out in public because you're afraid of this virus can be one thing. Using 340 00:23:30.730 --> 00:23:34.089 wisdom, little bit of stuff we've talked about already is a whole other thing. 341 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.609 But as a believer in Jesus, you have a platform here. You've 342 00:23:37.609 --> 00:23:41.130 got your family and you got your friends and you got those around you that 343 00:23:41.210 --> 00:23:44.440 you can share the gospel with. Take that opportunity. Don't waste this. 344 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.680 Yeah, well, the Bible says make the most of every opportun absolutely, 345 00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:49.920 so we should do that. Now. You know, one of the things 346 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:56.630 with abortion rights is bodily autonomy. Yeah, that's my my body, my 347 00:23:56.710 --> 00:24:00.430 choice, right. Yeah, but suddenly that's kind of not what they're saying. 348 00:24:00.789 --> 00:24:06.390 With coronavirus, your body, get, get and into quarantine and don't 349 00:24:06.390 --> 00:24:10.180 let your body come anywhere near my body. Not your body, your choice, 350 00:24:10.220 --> 00:24:12.380 because it affects me. Ye, which is the opposite message. The 351 00:24:12.460 --> 00:24:18.700 little says, yeah, it is, it is. So you had found 352 00:24:18.779 --> 00:24:22.660 an interesting article, yeah, which I think you printed that off, and 353 00:24:22.940 --> 00:24:26.930 I think it is an article about. You know, we did a podcast, 354 00:24:27.769 --> 00:24:32.250 think in our first couple of podcast we told about bodily autonomy. Yeah, 355 00:24:32.329 --> 00:24:34.849 and is this the biblical concept, the idea of bodily autonomy, and 356 00:24:36.289 --> 00:24:40.319 I think we established the bodily autonomy is, I mean in one sense, 357 00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.559 yeah, you're responsible for your body, but the decisions that you make with 358 00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:48.400 your body do affect other people. And when your decisions affect other people, 359 00:24:48.480 --> 00:24:51.440 that's when, you know, one person said, my bodily autonomy stops at 360 00:24:51.480 --> 00:24:53.910 the end of my fist. My fist connect with your nose. Have violated 361 00:24:53.950 --> 00:24:56.190 bodily of time. I can't do what I want to with my body. 362 00:24:56.230 --> 00:25:00.910 Yeah, and ultimately are our bodies are not our own. Our bodies belong 363 00:25:00.950 --> 00:25:03.349 to the Lord exactly everything be yes, yeah, and we know everything belongs 364 00:25:03.390 --> 00:25:06.430 to God. The body is for the Lord and the Lord is for the 365 00:25:06.470 --> 00:25:10.460 body. As believers in particular, our bodies are temple of the Holy Spirit, 366 00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:11.740 timples of the Holy Spirit. So you can't do whatever you want to 367 00:25:11.819 --> 00:25:15.900 with your body. Right. And it's funny, though, as I'm looking 368 00:25:15.900 --> 00:25:19.859 out on facebook, social media, in the media in general, and a 369 00:25:19.980 --> 00:25:23.690 lot of folks who would tell bodily autonomy as the end all of everything. 370 00:25:25.289 --> 00:25:26.809 You have bodily autonomy, you can do it, you won't. You can't 371 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:29.970 tell me what to do with my body, or some of the same folks 372 00:25:30.410 --> 00:25:33.210 that would support the idea of like forced quarantine. Right, right, so 373 00:25:33.769 --> 00:25:37.039 you can do what you want to do with your own body or you can't. 374 00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:38.680 Which one is it? Yeah, just today I was I was with 375 00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:44.119 I guess I was closer than six feet Tokay, at one of the pro 376 00:25:44.240 --> 00:25:48.079 choice people, okay, and he said you need to move back. I 377 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:52.109 probably was five feet away from him, and I did. I did. 378 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:56.670 I got it. But you know, it's funny because he is also there 379 00:25:56.750 --> 00:26:02.069 standing in support of the full bodily autonomy of any mother who wants to kill 380 00:26:02.109 --> 00:26:03.619 their child. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I mean I talked to the 381 00:26:03.660 --> 00:26:07.539 same guy today and he he believes that children in the womb are alive. 382 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.980 He says he's a Christian. He's not a Christian. Yeah, says he's 383 00:26:11.980 --> 00:26:15.220 the Christian. He's believes that unborn children have value, but their value is 384 00:26:15.779 --> 00:26:19.569 basically the woman's choice. Trump's the value of that, that life, which 385 00:26:19.609 --> 00:26:22.490 is like completely upside down with this. But this is an article. This 386 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:27.329 is a CNN article actually, and the title is a corona patient refused to 387 00:26:27.329 --> 00:26:30.569 quarantine. Their deputies are surrounding his house to force him to. Wow. 388 00:26:30.690 --> 00:26:33.039 And where is this? This is in Kentucky. Okay, so it says 389 00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:40.039 a Kentucky Novel Corona Virus Patient Checked himself out of the hospital against medical advice. 390 00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.640 So to prevent him from spreading the virus, officials are surrounding his house 391 00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.559 to keep him there. So this is a guy, fifty three year old 392 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.109 man, who has test depositive for this thing. So he's got it. 393 00:26:49.190 --> 00:26:53.390 Yeah, and he has the potential of affecting other people. I mean possibly 394 00:26:53.470 --> 00:26:57.269 he could affect thousands of people, just one person. He's yeah, you 395 00:26:57.349 --> 00:27:00.539 look at these graphs and how one person can affect a bunch of people. 396 00:27:00.579 --> 00:27:04.299 He can just spreads, spreads and spreads. So this man is being forced 397 00:27:04.539 --> 00:27:10.099 to be quarantine, it says, read known Nelson County, from Nelson County, 398 00:27:10.539 --> 00:27:17.049 which is in Kentucky, officials said forced isolate or imposed forced isolation on 399 00:27:17.130 --> 00:27:21.289 the man who was confirmed to have the he was one of the first of 400 00:27:21.450 --> 00:27:26.250 twenty confirmed cases in Kentucky. And you know, it just was interesting to 401 00:27:26.369 --> 00:27:30.480 me because I'm thinking, if I'm this dude, I mean, if I'm 402 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.400 this dude and I found that I've got this coronavirus, I'm going to self 403 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:38.400 quarantine myself, sure, but I also can identify with him in one sense. 404 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.480 It is like the government's not going to tell me what to do. 405 00:27:41.119 --> 00:27:45.509 You know, he's probably got this thing and he's probably not that sick. 406 00:27:45.549 --> 00:27:48.549 If he checked himselt out of the hospital, he's probably not doing so bad 407 00:27:48.670 --> 00:27:52.190 himself. Right, if he's able to check himself out of the hospital, 408 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:56.109 he's probably not doing so bad. so He's thinking to McDonald's. He wants 409 00:27:56.150 --> 00:27:57.619 to go to McDonald's, he wants to hang out with his family, he 410 00:27:57.819 --> 00:28:02.700 wants to whatever, you know, he wants to do. And who gets 411 00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:06.019 to tell him he can't. Yeah, well, apparently these officials can the 412 00:28:06.099 --> 00:28:10.019 so what does this have to do with bodily autonomy? It has everything to 413 00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:12.769 do with bodily autonomy. Yeah, this virus is in his body, right, 414 00:28:14.089 --> 00:28:17.769 it's something that's inside of his body. Can't he do with his body 415 00:28:17.849 --> 00:28:21.609 what he wants to, even if it will affect other people? I mean, 416 00:28:21.650 --> 00:28:25.049 that's the pro choice argument. A lot of pro choice people will say, 417 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:26.920 yes, I agree, the baby is a living thing. I mean, 418 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:30.039 listen, if we're looking at viruses, and it's little off track, 419 00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:33.880 but a virus, is that a living thing? Okay, I mean some 420 00:28:34.039 --> 00:28:37.240 people say no, some people say yeah, at least it's the potential. 421 00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:44.309 Right, most people. You'd have to be a little bit sick. We're 422 00:28:44.390 --> 00:28:48.589 not sick. You just stupid to believe that an unborn child in the womb 423 00:28:48.750 --> 00:28:52.589 is not a living thing. It is a living thing. And of course 424 00:28:52.670 --> 00:28:56.579 the argument is from their standpoint, pro choice people standpoint, is it. 425 00:28:56.859 --> 00:29:00.099 Yes, it's a living thing, but it's not a person. It does 426 00:29:00.220 --> 00:29:03.539 have personhood and of course viruses don't have personhood, and that's true. We 427 00:29:04.380 --> 00:29:07.500 we believe that it is a person right. We believe that there's a person 428 00:29:07.539 --> 00:29:11.490 there inside the womb and that your decision to what you want to do, 429 00:29:11.569 --> 00:29:14.490 quote, with your body, is going to affect that person to the point 430 00:29:14.490 --> 00:29:17.529 where that person is going to die. In this case, you know, 431 00:29:17.650 --> 00:29:22.730 this man may infect other people and other people may die. That's a possibility 432 00:29:23.130 --> 00:29:27.519 in an abortion, at least from our standpoint, it definitely will affected of 433 00:29:27.559 --> 00:29:33.599 the person that that other person definitely will die if a woman exercises her bodily 434 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:37.599 autonomy to to have an abortion. Yeah, yeah, so you would. 435 00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:42.750 It's a there's a should be a greater punishment. Yeah, whide. There 436 00:29:42.869 --> 00:29:47.390 is a definite death versus a P sibbule. Yeah, yeah, in the 437 00:29:47.470 --> 00:29:49.710 other yeah, no doubt about it. And so it just seems to me 438 00:29:51.029 --> 00:29:53.460 a little hypocritical, yeah, for people who would claim to be pro choice 439 00:29:53.500 --> 00:29:57.779 and all, for like bodily autonomy is the end all of everything, to 440 00:29:59.099 --> 00:30:00.460 be okay with this. Yeah, a minute. I mean, yeah, 441 00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:03.619 he's his decision is going to affect other people, right, some my body, 442 00:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.970 not my choice in him, not in this situation. But I think 443 00:30:07.210 --> 00:30:12.609 most people will agree that this is an appropriate restriction, and this is kind 444 00:30:12.650 --> 00:30:18.089 of the point. This is an appropriate restriction imposed by the government on a 445 00:30:18.210 --> 00:30:22.519 person who doesn't want to do the right thing. People talk about in the 446 00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:26.920 abortion conversations that you and I've had is a government forcing the morality of some 447 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.640 people on other people. Right, the can't have an abortion. And you 448 00:30:32.759 --> 00:30:37.630 know there's restrictions and stuff that people have imposed and they're saying that's religious legislators 449 00:30:37.670 --> 00:30:45.910 imposing their morality on women. This is legislators, this is government officials imposing 450 00:30:47.190 --> 00:30:51.819 their morality on this man. Exactly. They're saying his quality of life is 451 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.259 not as important as all the people that he might ultimately harm. Yeah, 452 00:30:56.420 --> 00:31:00.900 yeah, and it seems again, it seems to be a contradiction. If 453 00:31:00.940 --> 00:31:06.849 you're okay with this, then if there's restrictions of the government places on abortion, 454 00:31:06.930 --> 00:31:08.569 why wouldn't you be okay with that? And it's because, you know 455 00:31:08.730 --> 00:31:11.569 pro choice person is going to say right away, it's because the unborn child 456 00:31:11.609 --> 00:31:15.170 is not a person, people that might be infected by this gay our people. 457 00:31:15.329 --> 00:31:18.000 Yeah, yeah, you know, think is which we have demolished that 458 00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.720 argument and other think we can think we have and I'll look at that. 459 00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:29.079 Yeah, so here's another point about one of the commonalities, okay, between 460 00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:37.029 abortion and coronavirus. Does the Bible say anything about protecting the vulnerable, because, 461 00:31:37.109 --> 00:31:41.990 for example, the elderly, yeah, or those with the underlying issues 462 00:31:41.150 --> 00:31:48.380 are very vulnerable right now, apparently, absolutely, during this coronavirus. Does 463 00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:52.140 the Bible say anything about how we are to treat those who are elderly? 464 00:31:52.900 --> 00:31:56.700 And, of course we know it does. Yeah, talk about that. 465 00:31:56.779 --> 00:32:01.690 In the elderly are are very effective, very effected, a very effected sorry, 466 00:32:01.890 --> 00:32:08.930 correct. So let's talk about like one of those verses that tells us 467 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.039 how we are to treat the vulnerable. Yeah, and well, and others. 468 00:32:15.039 --> 00:32:19.559 Let's talk about the dynamic of which is why we do what we do, 469 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:22.599 exactly, speaking for these unborn children, and it's the dynamic of taking 470 00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.599 up your cross, laying down your life for the sake of other people. 471 00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.839 Right, I don't go out to the sidewalk in front of an abortion clinic, 472 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:32.190 regardless of what pro choice people might say, to stroke my ego. 473 00:32:32.630 --> 00:32:36.349 Ego, if I want to stroke my ego and feel better about myself, 474 00:32:36.710 --> 00:32:38.950 there's a lot of other places I could go, my fun places. Yes, 475 00:32:39.069 --> 00:32:44.150 exactly. I go out there because I see that there's a group of 476 00:32:44.190 --> 00:32:46.660 people are dying and I am, by God's grace, willing to lay my 477 00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:50.220 life down for them. That's why I go out. I'm willing to lay 478 00:32:50.259 --> 00:32:52.339 my life down. And you know, you people who are on social media 479 00:32:52.339 --> 00:32:57.140 and you're complaining about having to be quarantine, you're complaining about whatever you're complaining 480 00:32:57.220 --> 00:33:00.569 about. You know, we're called to lay our lives down for other people 481 00:33:00.769 --> 00:33:04.170 and it is a suffering to have to stay home. Maybe you're in the 482 00:33:04.289 --> 00:33:07.170 category of people who won't really be affected. If you did get this thing, 483 00:33:07.730 --> 00:33:10.690 it would just be like a bad cold, or not even that. 484 00:33:10.849 --> 00:33:14.759 Some people are saying it's like totally just a mild old people have it, 485 00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:16.359 don't even know it right. Maybe you're one of those people. Yeah, 486 00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.880 but understand it's not about you. Yeah, one of the the major concerns 487 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.960 here, which kind of shifted my thinking about this thing, is that you 488 00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.990 could pass along to somebody who can easily be affected by this saying and it'll 489 00:33:32.150 --> 00:33:35.869 put them out, possibly kill them. Yeah, who made that may be 490 00:33:36.029 --> 00:33:40.069 hidden that, whatever their disability or whatever that they're facing could be completely hidden 491 00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.940 from you, and you'll make pass them in the grocery store and think, 492 00:33:44.059 --> 00:33:47.700 no big deal, but you're very passing touching things that they're going to touch 493 00:33:47.940 --> 00:33:52.779 could put their lives in jeopardy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And again, 494 00:33:52.819 --> 00:33:54.700 they're not those you might just get a cold. They're not just going 495 00:33:54.730 --> 00:33:58.210 to get a cold. It's going to affect them to the point where some 496 00:33:58.490 --> 00:34:00.410 people have died. I mean that is the major concern, is the the 497 00:34:00.490 --> 00:34:06.009 weak and the vulnerable, the elderly mainly, who's with underlying conditions, what 498 00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:08.489 they said. So we've got to be considerate of that, that sort of 499 00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:12.639 thing. We are called to lay our lives down. I lay my life 500 00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.719 down by going out to the portion clinic that sometimes maybe I need to lay 501 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.400 my life down by, you know, not having a church service on Sunday, 502 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:22.800 right, and setting that aside for season. And I know someone's thinking, 503 00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:27.510 because I thought it. Well, but you're out on the sidewalk, 504 00:34:27.630 --> 00:34:30.750 yeah, and you're you're not socially isolating yourself. Yeah, but I did, 505 00:34:30.829 --> 00:34:35.190 and I think that is a valid thing to mention. But but we 506 00:34:35.309 --> 00:34:38.380 are being careful. We are, we are, we we are not hugging 507 00:34:38.420 --> 00:34:43.179 each other, we are not shaking hands and we are trying to shakes. 508 00:34:43.260 --> 00:34:45.539 Now it's been the hand. Oh, yeah, right, has nasty. 509 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:50.500 Anyway, you know, we're trying to spread out. We do that anyway 510 00:34:50.539 --> 00:34:54.690 because it's more effective and we're trying to abide by the SOCIALIA. I mean, 511 00:34:54.730 --> 00:34:59.730 we very rarely, on a weekday especially, have more than, you 512 00:34:59.809 --> 00:35:01.690 know what, five or six people on the sidewalk anyway, right, so 513 00:35:01.929 --> 00:35:07.079 the over ten people rule is something we just not hard for us to abide 514 00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:09.920 by. As far as that goes exactly, we're being very careful to have 515 00:35:10.079 --> 00:35:16.320 the RV cleaned with the antibacterial whist all sprays and things like that. We're 516 00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:20.440 moms are going to be coming on and the protocol is now going to be 517 00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:23.510 between MOMS on that RV that everything is scraped down. Yeah, with the 518 00:35:23.590 --> 00:35:28.750 anti well, you know, you know today we gave out I think it 519 00:35:28.909 --> 00:35:32.429 was maybe six pieces of literature to those going into the abortion that you handed 520 00:35:32.469 --> 00:35:36.579 it out. We weren't using gloves, we were using our hands, right. 521 00:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.820 So that can introduce the factor of risk. Yeah, and so there 522 00:35:40.980 --> 00:35:44.139 is a risk, by the way, thyough, because I did read that 523 00:35:44.380 --> 00:35:50.170 on on cardboard and paper items, there is the potential that the virus could 524 00:35:50.210 --> 00:35:53.289 be passed, but it's a very small right. Yeah, but there's there's 525 00:35:53.289 --> 00:35:59.090 a realtors, of introducing risk factor there, and we understand that. Now 526 00:35:59.369 --> 00:36:04.480 we're being intentional in about cleaning our hands and not sexing you wiping my nose 527 00:36:04.519 --> 00:36:07.239 with my hand and put in all these literature that's grousing anyway. Yeah, 528 00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:12.760 but one of the dynamics, as you're thinking about that, is what I 529 00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:16.840 said earlier. Yeah, people could potentially be effect I means that potential there 530 00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:22.110 for one of US cities for life counselor to pass this thing along. It's 531 00:36:22.110 --> 00:36:25.190 a potential for anybody that's that's a potential for anybody in, you know, 532 00:36:25.469 --> 00:36:30.949 in society. But we know so that could happen, certainly. But one 533 00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:35.739 of the things that we do know that is happening is that abortion clinic is 534 00:36:35.780 --> 00:36:38.900 open, babies are dying and if we're not there, those children are not 535 00:36:39.059 --> 00:36:42.219 going to have a voice. That's right. No one is going to be 536 00:36:42.300 --> 00:36:45.099 there to speak on their behalf. And we do know that our presence out 537 00:36:45.099 --> 00:36:50.010 there on that sidewalk is effective at saving lies. So we know two things. 538 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:52.530 We know that babies are dying and our presence out there makes a difference. 539 00:36:52.849 --> 00:36:57.010 So we have to you know again, we're not trying to put other 540 00:36:57.090 --> 00:37:00.889 people at risk, but we're taking a risk to be out there on the 541 00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:06.239 sidewalk because those babies deserve our voice. Yeah, and we know that more 542 00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:12.039 babies are going to die, probably did die today in our city of shires 543 00:37:12.199 --> 00:37:15.269 and our city, just in our city alone. Then all of the deaths 544 00:37:15.590 --> 00:37:19.550 in the United States. That's yeah, I'm not sure that with the with 545 00:37:19.630 --> 00:37:22.030 the tally, I don't know what already was. A hundred right, and 546 00:37:22.150 --> 00:37:24.030 you know, we see, we can say surely in a week's time we 547 00:37:24.150 --> 00:37:29.150 see a hundred and fifty. The two hundred babies die, everything Le Rope 548 00:37:29.190 --> 00:37:30.940 in our city, trout. Yes, so mainly at latrobe. Yeah, 549 00:37:31.179 --> 00:37:36.099 and so, you know, not making light at all of those people that 550 00:37:36.179 --> 00:37:38.860 have been affected and who've died from the coronavirus. Not Making light at all. 551 00:37:39.019 --> 00:37:44.489 But we definitely know the their babies dying and that we should intervene. 552 00:37:44.570 --> 00:37:50.369 And these babies are in God's view and thereby an our view. Just as 553 00:37:50.409 --> 00:37:53.769 valuable is people who were potentially affected by about rights. They're human beings made 554 00:37:53.769 --> 00:37:59.400 in his M yeah, now we're not ignoring the fact that there is an 555 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.280 authority of government and we as as Christians, need to obey yeah, a 556 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.840 government, and we did talk about this in another podcast, the Rom we 557 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:12.039 did thirteen. Yeah, we talked to authority of God, about of government, 558 00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:15.550 civil disobedience, right, and where. That what our mentality is on 559 00:38:15.630 --> 00:38:19.269 that what it should be, right, right, but this does tie into 560 00:38:19.309 --> 00:38:22.070 that. You know, somebody asked me today whatever volunteers said. Okay, 561 00:38:22.590 --> 00:38:27.659 so I'm hearing about and please don't go with this as a conspiracy theory. 562 00:38:27.780 --> 00:38:30.940 Guess. Okay, but this volunteer has heard through the grape vine, and 563 00:38:31.099 --> 00:38:35.420 whether it's true or not, heremates are flying, they're flying all around, 564 00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:38.980 that the government is going to place the entire United States on lockdown. So 565 00:38:39.139 --> 00:38:44.449 it'll be just mandatory stay in your home. Yeah, what do they call 566 00:38:44.570 --> 00:38:46.610 a shelter at? Shelter in place. Yeah, so they're going to put 567 00:38:46.610 --> 00:38:51.570 that. So what's what's our position going to be? Are we going to 568 00:38:52.090 --> 00:38:54.130 be willing to come out even if the abortion clinic is opening? In my 569 00:38:54.210 --> 00:38:57.880 mind, if they're going to do that shelter in place thing and they allow 570 00:38:57.920 --> 00:39:00.159 these abortion clinics to stay open? Right, that's ridiculous. Right. I 571 00:39:00.199 --> 00:39:06.800 mean, they're already talking about doctor's office. Should limit limit these elected procedures 572 00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:10.869 which abortion is elected in elected procedure. Certainly, not just because you know 573 00:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.389 it's dangerous and spread the virus, but also to keep the medical supplies and 574 00:39:15.429 --> 00:39:19.269 stuff from being used in ways, yeah, that you know they could be 575 00:39:19.309 --> 00:39:22.829 used to help these coronavirus passions. Right. So, but you know, 576 00:39:22.949 --> 00:39:25.940 and so he asked me that question, if they're still open and there's a 577 00:39:27.059 --> 00:39:30.420 shelter in place order, yeah, and you can only come out for essential 578 00:39:30.420 --> 00:39:34.860 things. What is your view of this going to be? And immediately I'm 579 00:39:34.900 --> 00:39:37.730 like, well, what we're doing is essential. It's essential to these babies, 580 00:39:37.769 --> 00:39:39.769 and that's going to be my argument. I am going to come out 581 00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:43.690 and I'm going to stand on that sidewalk now, if I have to be, 582 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:45.570 you know, I'm not going to. If they come and threatened to 583 00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:49.130 put me in jail if I leave, I'm not going to go to jail. 584 00:39:50.369 --> 00:39:54.159 Well, hopefully Gott'll give me wisdom. It will cross that bridge, 585 00:39:55.199 --> 00:40:00.119 across that bridge and we get there. But you know, that is a 586 00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:04.000 question that we need to ask ourselves. And what is wisdom in that situation? 587 00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.150 And how do we apply the principle of laying our lives down for our 588 00:40:07.190 --> 00:40:10.550 neighbors, because it's sort of a there's a tension there, yeah, right, 589 00:40:10.710 --> 00:40:15.070 that we need to you know, sort of a bit of biblical tension 590 00:40:15.110 --> 00:40:16.309 that we need to consider, we need to pray through and we need to 591 00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:20.389 and you apply wisdom. Yeah, and it does. It is directly. 592 00:40:20.550 --> 00:40:24.099 Okay, are we obeying God? Or if if the government comes and tells 593 00:40:24.099 --> 00:40:28.139 us to do something that goes against what we know in our heart God is 594 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:31.579 telling us clearly, yeah, and his word and in our spirit to do, 595 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:37.050 then we need to hopeake on. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So 596 00:40:37.449 --> 00:40:42.530 that's not to me. That's not a cut and dry thing try to figure 597 00:40:42.530 --> 00:40:44.969 out, but I think in those situations you have to do the best that 598 00:40:45.050 --> 00:40:47.530 we can. Yeah, you know, the government has has said as a 599 00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:53.480 recommendation, not as a mandate. They have mandated in the state North Carolina 600 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.320 that no gatherings of a hundred people are more. That's not a problem for 601 00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:00.800 us, but they have from the CDC and from, you know, the 602 00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:05.670 federal government, recommended that no more than ten people should be together in the 603 00:41:05.750 --> 00:41:08.030 same place. But we know in the abortion center there's more than ten people. 604 00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:10.070 Oh Yeah, today they were just the workers. Yeah, I mean 605 00:41:10.150 --> 00:41:14.070 just the workers. Yeah, probably Sol is is close to ten? If 606 00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:15.909 not? Yeah, yeah, certainly. But you know, I have a 607 00:41:15.949 --> 00:41:19.659 family of ten, as I mentioned earlier. Yeah, I can't even have 608 00:41:19.780 --> 00:41:22.460 a guess they but you can have another baby. Blue Families have twelve kids, 609 00:41:22.739 --> 00:41:24.699 you know, and it's like well, I gotta send some outside. 610 00:41:24.699 --> 00:41:29.019 Of course not, right. Right. So there's something you can't abide by 611 00:41:29.420 --> 00:41:30.940 and it's not a law, it's just a recommendation, right, but if 612 00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:36.650 it becomes a law, that's just something that you can abide by in some 613 00:41:36.809 --> 00:41:40.130 way. If, especially for those big families, I can't obey this. 614 00:41:40.170 --> 00:41:44.010 Yeah, you know, yeah, it's a it's a it's a little bit 615 00:41:44.769 --> 00:41:46.090 over the top, I think so. In a lot of this over the 616 00:41:46.239 --> 00:41:50.559 top is is a result of fear. There's so much over the top that's 617 00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:53.880 a result of fear, and I thought it was a very interesting comparison, 618 00:41:54.639 --> 00:42:00.869 excuse me, between coronavirus and abortion, in that I would say a huge 619 00:42:00.869 --> 00:42:05.989 driver of abortion is fear. Oh Yeah, yes, we were an article 620 00:42:06.030 --> 00:42:08.269 about that. In the sidewalks of life, you know, the spirit of 621 00:42:08.309 --> 00:42:12.949 fear, a spear understanding that women come to an abortion clinic under a spirit 622 00:42:12.989 --> 00:42:15.780 of fear life, right, they fastically they face overwhelming obstacles. In their 623 00:42:15.860 --> 00:42:21.659 mind they're terrified, they don't feel like they can face the future with this 624 00:42:21.940 --> 00:42:25.380 baby, and so they do this unthinkable act. A mother killing her own 625 00:42:25.380 --> 00:42:31.090 child and coronavirus. The panic is clearly fueled by fear. Yeah, there 626 00:42:31.250 --> 00:42:37.210 is. I I would give them that. There are some facts that certainly, 627 00:42:37.570 --> 00:42:39.849 I think, justify what they're trying to do and some, yeah, 628 00:42:39.929 --> 00:42:44.760 maybe, maybe not at all, but but in most areas. But but 629 00:42:44.920 --> 00:42:46.920 so fear. So how do we combat? I think that's an important thing 630 00:42:47.039 --> 00:42:50.800 to maybe, as we're getting close to the end of this, talk about 631 00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:55.639 how do we combat as believers, how do we combat fear? Yeah, 632 00:42:55.920 --> 00:43:00.429 because fears the driver. Yeah, for many people not say that, you 633 00:43:00.469 --> 00:43:02.829 know. That's why people. My wife was in the grocery store on Monday 634 00:43:02.869 --> 00:43:08.670 getting groceries and graciously the Lord provided yeah, the grocers. That were a 635 00:43:08.909 --> 00:43:12.510 paper. We already had something, so we were good on that. But 636 00:43:12.590 --> 00:43:15.579 there was a lady walking down the aisles and I'm like that lady. They 637 00:43:15.659 --> 00:43:19.820 she all locked her up because he's walking down the aisles and saying everybody get 638 00:43:19.820 --> 00:43:22.579 everything unique because the government's about to shut everything down, and she's just she's 639 00:43:22.699 --> 00:43:27.809 fear mongering right. She she's spreading that, and then I can that's prettier 640 00:43:27.889 --> 00:43:30.170 panic and she's obviously under her fear. And you know, I can get 641 00:43:30.170 --> 00:43:35.570 it. You know there's some unknowns. Every time there's unknowns in our lives, 642 00:43:35.610 --> 00:43:37.969 there's a potential for fear. Yeah, right, I mean we can 643 00:43:37.969 --> 00:43:40.210 get overwhelmed by fear. Yeah, the Scripture tells us that God has not 644 00:43:40.289 --> 00:43:45.039 given us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound 645 00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:47.880 mind. So that spirit of fear, it doesn't come from the Lord. 646 00:43:49.519 --> 00:43:52.920 There's so many. One preacher said, several preachers were said it, that 647 00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.429 the command given more time than any other command in the Bible is fear not. 648 00:43:57.750 --> 00:44:00.949 It's not a suggestion, it's fear not. It's an encouragement from the 649 00:44:00.989 --> 00:44:02.949 Lord to not be afraid. And they're one of the things that I've scripture. 650 00:44:02.949 --> 00:44:06.909 I've been meditating them even before this thing, but just based on some 651 00:44:06.949 --> 00:44:08.309 of the things we've been dealing with as a family, some of the battles 652 00:44:08.349 --> 00:44:10.179 we've been in, and I know a lot of people in a bunch of 653 00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:16.780 different battles. Is Psalm Ninety one those who abide. He abides in the 654 00:44:16.860 --> 00:44:21.820 secret place of the most high. Will will he who dwells already in the 655 00:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.050 secret path of the most high well abide into the shadow of the Almighty? 656 00:44:24.090 --> 00:44:28.449 And so God has just been comforting me with Psalm Ninety one. And if 657 00:44:28.489 --> 00:44:30.889 you guys hadn't read that Salm in a while, get into that, meditate 658 00:44:30.969 --> 00:44:32.969 on that Psalm. It even talks about pestlings. You'll not be overtaken by 659 00:44:34.050 --> 00:44:38.119 pestlings, and it just can help us get in a place of off faith 660 00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:42.519 rather than fear, because that is the opposite, I think. Well, 661 00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:47.360 maybe not exact opposite, but walking in fear and walking in faith are too 662 00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.519 very opposite things, very different things. Yeah, walking in faith, you 663 00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:54.909 know, you've got the overthetop you know, if you truly believe in God, 664 00:44:55.070 --> 00:44:58.869 if you truly believe God's sovereign, then you you'll go to church and 665 00:44:58.989 --> 00:45:01.869 you'll whatever. You know, you'll you'll wipe your nose on, touch those 666 00:45:01.909 --> 00:45:07.110 people that are on the respirator and yeah, yeah, exactly know. Yet 667 00:45:07.179 --> 00:45:10.500 that over the top kind of mentality and that's not really faith. Faith is 668 00:45:10.860 --> 00:45:15.659 first faith is looking at God's word. That's what we're hopefully helping you guys 669 00:45:15.739 --> 00:45:17.099 to do. Look in God's words, see the principles of God's word. 670 00:45:17.300 --> 00:45:22.289 So faith it's first and foremost doing what God's word says. Stepping out in 671 00:45:22.409 --> 00:45:25.369 faith is stepping out in the troops of God's word. But faith also doesn't 672 00:45:25.449 --> 00:45:30.730 look stupid, right. Just don't be stupid. How about that? Maybe 673 00:45:30.769 --> 00:45:31.929 that's the word of wisdom from you guys. Listen, don't be stupid. 674 00:45:31.969 --> 00:45:36.360 It's not faith to just do whatever you want, whenever you want. We 675 00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.559 have to consider other people. But also we can't be under fear, you 676 00:45:38.679 --> 00:45:43.880 know, staying behind closed doors just because you're afraid of going out that you 677 00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:47.519 might get some virus. That's that might affect you. You can't live in 678 00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.110 the world of might, might, this, might this. You know, 679 00:45:51.550 --> 00:45:55.389 are that we should have this level of trust in the Lord his goodness, 680 00:45:55.469 --> 00:45:59.949 in his provision and apply wisdom. Yeah, I'm I'm working my way through 681 00:45:59.989 --> 00:46:07.980 numbers and I just loved this from numbers thirteen. Okay, we're Caleb and 682 00:46:07.019 --> 00:46:12.619 the others have spied out the promised land, and remember the most of the 683 00:46:12.659 --> 00:46:15.380 spies come back quivering. Oh yeah, there is no way we can fear 684 00:46:15.420 --> 00:46:17.889 there. And then they are under spirit of fear. Those are giants. 685 00:46:19.010 --> 00:46:21.969 Yeah, and all they could see where those giants and that they could never 686 00:46:22.130 --> 00:46:29.570 defeat the giants. But Caleb, this is the verse in numbers thirteen, 687 00:46:29.610 --> 00:46:35.119 starting in verse thirty. But Caleb quieted the people before Moses and said, 688 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:39.079 let us go up at once and occupy it, for we are well able 689 00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:43.239 to overcome it. And then the verse goes on and just talks about the 690 00:46:43.280 --> 00:46:47.190 fear of the spies and they ultimately defy caleb and defy God and and are 691 00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:52.909 punished. Yeah, but but later on were told that Caleb was a man 692 00:46:53.030 --> 00:46:58.630 who followed God. Yeah, and and trusted in God and didn't let that 693 00:46:58.909 --> 00:47:04.300 fear overwhelm following what God would have him do. Yeah, yeah, and 694 00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:07.980 you know, Caleb had to look crazy to the people around him, and 695 00:47:08.059 --> 00:47:13.940 the majority of the people were actually against what Caleb was was telling them. 696 00:47:14.860 --> 00:47:19.329 So what made Caleb different than the rest of the people? What what did 697 00:47:19.409 --> 00:47:22.369 his confidence in, his lack of fear? He wasn't you. He doesn't 698 00:47:22.409 --> 00:47:25.489 point out, Hey, we're well able to overcome this thing, because look 699 00:47:25.489 --> 00:47:29.010 at all the armies we got and look at all the other people we've defeated 700 00:47:29.050 --> 00:47:32.159 based on our own our own strength. Well, listen to this. I 701 00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.199 can answer from scripture, which is the best because I write. Okay, 702 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.440 this is it's perfect. Okay, numbers fourteen, twenty four. Answers your 703 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:44.550 question. All right, all right. What was different about Caleb? Yeah, 704 00:47:44.590 --> 00:47:46.750 would did he understand? where? What was his perspective here? It 705 00:47:46.949 --> 00:47:52.030 wasn't the others perspective, but my servant Caleb, this is God's. Yeah, 706 00:47:52.269 --> 00:47:59.380 but my servant Caleb, because he has a different spirit and has followed 707 00:47:59.659 --> 00:48:04.300 me fully. I will bring into the land in which he went and his 708 00:48:04.500 --> 00:48:09.579 descendants shall possess it. So here's the key, a different spirit that fully 709 00:48:09.619 --> 00:48:15.130 follows God. Yeah, that is not saying, in terms of coronavirus, 710 00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:19.329 that we're supposed to just run out there and say I'm going to go touch 711 00:48:19.369 --> 00:48:23.289 everyone. Yeah, I have covered with God's grace and mercy and he will 712 00:48:23.369 --> 00:48:28.280 protect me, but it is to say, be very aware of what God 713 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:34.480 is saying and follow him fully. Yeah, yeah, you. Caleb knew 714 00:48:34.519 --> 00:48:38.199 God. Yeah, Caleb Knew God was on his side. So Caleb didn't 715 00:48:38.199 --> 00:48:43.510 walk in fear, he walked in faith. He knew God and he knew 716 00:48:43.510 --> 00:48:46.070 what God was able to do as far as conquering the land here and these 717 00:48:46.110 --> 00:48:51.429 other people who were not like Cable Caleb, who had a different spirit right, 718 00:48:51.550 --> 00:48:53.510 had a spirit of fear. They were afraid of the future. And 719 00:48:53.630 --> 00:48:57.900 I get it, guys and and no one's saying, please, don't take 720 00:48:57.900 --> 00:49:00.820 you to this way that if you're if you're applying wisdom and you're staying at 721 00:49:00.820 --> 00:49:06.780 home and you've got sick or maybe sick loved ones, or you've got people 722 00:49:06.900 --> 00:49:08.380 well that if they can get sick from this thing, that they would get 723 00:49:08.780 --> 00:49:13.289 staying at home, that's that's while stem. Yeah, absolutely so, no 724 00:49:13.409 --> 00:49:16.690 one saying you're faithless, but we can't be coward down in a spirit of 725 00:49:16.730 --> 00:49:21.449 fear and just be under this thing thinking that, you know, if it 726 00:49:21.530 --> 00:49:24.519 flows out of selfishness. Yeah, and only you can tell that. If 727 00:49:24.559 --> 00:49:29.400 it flows out of selfishness, you're operating under a spirit of fear. If 728 00:49:29.440 --> 00:49:32.440 it flows out of selflessness, then you're operating in faith. I would say 729 00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:36.079 that would be that would be a good principle to go by. Think he's 730 00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:39.630 crazy, just self preservation, or are you considered of other people? Yeah, 731 00:49:40.190 --> 00:49:44.309 and and that'll help. I think people gage, Hey, am understring 732 00:49:44.429 --> 00:49:45.949 fear, and if you are, you know what shirk that thing off. 733 00:49:46.150 --> 00:49:49.469 Yeah, get in the word of God. See what God's Word said, 734 00:49:49.510 --> 00:49:52.699 follow him wholeheartedly. Like him, lordly. Yeah, and again, we're 735 00:49:52.699 --> 00:49:55.780 not saying you're faithless if you're staying at home. That's not the point of 736 00:49:55.820 --> 00:49:59.940 this podcast. We're talked not to tempt the Lord, and I think that 737 00:50:00.139 --> 00:50:05.260 is tempting the Lord when you're walking into a danger that is is clearly going 738 00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:07.690 to harm other put putting yourself an unnecessary danger right, and putting others in 739 00:50:07.769 --> 00:50:13.170 a necessary danger right, is you know, it's that's not faith right, 740 00:50:13.530 --> 00:50:16.289 that's you know, that's the devil telling Jesus, Hey, if you're the 741 00:50:16.329 --> 00:50:21.010 son of God, throw yourself off exactly, because God will sect you exactly. 742 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:23.079 And he's actually, I believe, the devil is quote in Psalm Ninety 743 00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:25.719 one. Yeah, and that passes. Matter of fact, I'm fairly confident. 744 00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.239 Yeah, is. And this is the this is a psalm of protection, 745 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.599 in God's right, protecting those who stay in abide in him right. 746 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:38.349 And so the devil will prefer scripture and UN knowing human beings will pervert scripture 747 00:50:38.389 --> 00:50:40.750 to and make it apply in a way that it shouldn't. So you don't 748 00:50:40.789 --> 00:50:45.590 tempt God all right, but walk in faith. Yeah, so, I 749 00:50:45.710 --> 00:50:49.309 mean I think that's is that is that? Yeah, wrapping US o? 750 00:50:49.510 --> 00:50:52.059 Yeah, yeah, so I hope you guys are blessed by this. I 751 00:50:52.179 --> 00:50:57.340 hope that you know we've given you some solid stuff. As I started, 752 00:50:57.460 --> 00:51:00.139 you know, I said we're going to have a conversation, probably not going 753 00:51:00.179 --> 00:51:02.059 to give you a whole lot more than you already have. I think that 754 00:51:02.219 --> 00:51:05.809 we have that. You think we've touched on some stuff. I've been encouraged 755 00:51:05.849 --> 00:51:09.010 to this and just thought through some things a little more than that I had 756 00:51:09.090 --> 00:51:14.250 before. We Are we want to encourage you guys. You be willing to 757 00:51:14.289 --> 00:51:16.409 reach out, be willing to reach out to neighbors. If there are people 758 00:51:16.929 --> 00:51:21.239 in our church is doing a thing where if you're able bodied and you can 759 00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:24.079 deliver meals to people, or if you can do things like go get groceries 760 00:51:24.119 --> 00:51:30.760 for people, obviously using proper sanitary methods and all of that, then are 761 00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:32.630 you willing to do that, as our church is doing that, orchestrateing some 762 00:51:32.949 --> 00:51:36.949 people to go out and help others, you know, in a wise way? 763 00:51:37.429 --> 00:51:38.190 If you can do that, if you can help your neighbors, if 764 00:51:38.230 --> 00:51:43.510 maybe if you got eighty seven rolls or eighty seven packs of tilet aaports them 765 00:51:43.510 --> 00:51:45.909 out and come to my house, because we don't have that money. Maybe 766 00:51:46.030 --> 00:51:49.860 you can step out in that way and right and certainly you can be a 767 00:51:49.900 --> 00:51:52.260 witness wherever you are for the Lord. Yeah, be praying. Also, 768 00:51:52.340 --> 00:51:54.780 be praying for our nation, like I said, and we as a family 769 00:51:55.099 --> 00:51:59.460 we're praying every night. We're praying for this country, praying for the leaders. 770 00:51:59.500 --> 00:52:00.570 The Bible tells us. Pray for our leaders, who guess. Pray 771 00:52:00.650 --> 00:52:05.889 for your leaders. Pray for repentance. Pray whether that this is a judgment 772 00:52:05.969 --> 00:52:09.170 from God. If it is, then be praying that the nation will turn 773 00:52:09.210 --> 00:52:12.489 back to the Lord. If it ain't, be praying that the nation will 774 00:52:12.489 --> 00:52:15.320 turn back to the Lord. It's at least an opportunity for that. So 775 00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.800 reach out to us if there's things that we touched on in this podcast that 776 00:52:20.880 --> 00:52:22.360 you like for us to expound all. Maybe we can take some opportunity to 777 00:52:22.440 --> 00:52:25.559 that. Maybe we messed up and we said something that that offended you. 778 00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:30.429 Wouldn't be the first time. Reach out. Let us know. We'd like 779 00:52:30.510 --> 00:52:31.550 to talk with you and verse with you about it. You can reach out 780 00:52:31.550 --> 00:52:36.150 to me, D parks, at cities for lifecom, Vicky is Vikasse orget 781 00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:37.789 cities for lifecom. We'd love to hear from you, guys. Share this 782 00:52:37.909 --> 00:52:42.150 podcast if you think it'll be a blessing to other people. Lead a leave 783 00:52:42.190 --> 00:52:45.539 us a review in apple podcast or the other podcast platforms that you use. 784 00:52:46.059 --> 00:53:00.170 And until next time, God bless me for love. Give me our love 785 00:53:00.409 --> 00:53:12.809 for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. 786 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:14.480 And some you