March 5, 2020

Was Pastor Matt Chandler Right?

Was Pastor Matt Chandler Right?

A quote from Pastor Matt Chandler has been floating around on social media, in essence, saying if we aren't willing to serve women materially then we shouldn't tell them that abortion is murder. This is an idea that many have embraced but is it...


A quote from Pastor Matt Chandler has been floating around on social media, in essence, saying if we aren't willing to serve women materially then we shouldn't tell them that abortion is murder. This is an idea that many have embraced but is it Biblical? Join us as we look at this from a scriptural perspective.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.509 Lord, some folks have implied that if we tell a woman not to 3 00:00:09.589 --> 00:00:12.470 have an abortion, then we need to be willing and able to meet the 4 00:00:12.550 --> 00:00:16.070 needs that brought her to the abortion clinic in the first place. But as 5 00:00:16.109 --> 00:00:19.829 that concept Biblical and how should we view that subject? Join us as we 6 00:00:19.949 --> 00:00:34.500 talked this through. I felt show passish touch your welcome to the Gospel Center 7 00:00:34.579 --> 00:00:38.810 pro life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening and we're going to talk today 8 00:00:40.210 --> 00:00:44.689 about Matt Chandler, but not really. So we're not. This podcast is 9 00:00:44.810 --> 00:00:48.369 not throwing him under the bus. It's just a particular mean that's been out 10 00:00:48.409 --> 00:00:52.280 there in the social media around and that some folks have been talking about, 11 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.759 and so we wanted to talk about it, not just about him, and 12 00:00:55.920 --> 00:00:59.039 I'm sure you know he's a great guy. I don't listen to Matt Chandler 13 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:02.079 A lot. I've missed listen to him some. He has some good messages 14 00:01:02.119 --> 00:01:07.069 about abortion in particular, and and I believe their church is really involved in 15 00:01:07.829 --> 00:01:11.469 trying to rescue the unborn and doing things for the Lord in that realm. 16 00:01:11.709 --> 00:01:15.189 But this is really just I think a misconception that a lot of people have. 17 00:01:15.629 --> 00:01:22.420 Right and I don't know it's sometimes it looks to me, when people 18 00:01:22.420 --> 00:01:26.859 say things like this, that their concern is less with what the Bible says 19 00:01:26.060 --> 00:01:30.939 and more with what culture might say or might think. MM and so, 20 00:01:32.099 --> 00:01:34.689 if you don't mind, you've written an article here. Right, he, 21 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:38.329 like you do often times. Yeah, and I appreciate would you read that 22 00:01:38.409 --> 00:01:42.489 quote? That? Yeah, yeah, so he there was this meme on 23 00:01:42.609 --> 00:01:47.680 facebook. It said, as the church, we must not say of abortion, 24 00:01:48.200 --> 00:01:53.239 this is murder without saying to pregnant women we will serve you. If 25 00:01:53.319 --> 00:02:00.920 we're doing the former without the ladder, we don't truly understand the Gospel. 26 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:05.189 Okay. So if we're doing the the former, we're saying abortion is murder 27 00:02:05.510 --> 00:02:07.430 without doing the ladder, which is basically saying hey, will serve you, 28 00:02:07.909 --> 00:02:12.949 pregnant mom, then we don't understand the Gospel. Right. Right. And 29 00:02:13.150 --> 00:02:15.819 you know, it ties into I didn't know I was going to mention this 30 00:02:15.860 --> 00:02:17.939 this early, but it just flows into it. It ties into this idea 31 00:02:19.139 --> 00:02:23.699 that and this has been attributed to probably everyone's favorite theologian over the years or 32 00:02:23.699 --> 00:02:27.939 favorite preacher over the years. I don't know actually who said it. But 33 00:02:28.620 --> 00:02:31.409 Preach the Gospel at all times. It when necessary, use words. Right, 34 00:02:31.449 --> 00:02:34.930 I heard that one. Oh yeah, yeah, one of my least 35 00:02:34.930 --> 00:02:37.530 favorite. Yeah, well, you know, it's cute, you know, 36 00:02:37.610 --> 00:02:39.050 and it makes the world think. Oh, these people are not just about 37 00:02:39.090 --> 00:02:43.969 shoving the Gospel Down People's throats. There about helping others, right, which 38 00:02:43.969 --> 00:02:46.680 we should help mothers. I mean we're not. This podcast is not saying 39 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:51.719 we shouldn't help others, but that idea preach the Gospel and, when necessary, 40 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:54.520 use words is like, yes, stupid. Yeah, they're say, 41 00:02:54.680 --> 00:02:58.629 you know, they're saying it's get you should demonstrate it with your life, 42 00:02:58.789 --> 00:03:00.669 but not speak with your words, which, it is true, you should 43 00:03:00.710 --> 00:03:05.069 demonstrate with you likely, but that's not what the Bible says about how we 44 00:03:05.110 --> 00:03:07.310 are to share the Gospel. Yeah, I mean that would say preach the 45 00:03:07.389 --> 00:03:13.539 Gospel and it's necessary to use words like in order to preach the Gospel. 46 00:03:13.539 --> 00:03:15.699 And you have the gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. Those 47 00:03:15.740 --> 00:03:22.419 gospels were written down their words. They are written right to be broadcast about 48 00:03:22.500 --> 00:03:24.259 this Jesus, and right, you know, Paul and First Corinthians, Chapter 49 00:03:24.340 --> 00:03:29.129 Fifteen, the first couple of verses there in First Corinthians, Chapter Fifteen, 50 00:03:29.129 --> 00:03:31.129 he says it's The Gospel that I delivered to you, which I received. 51 00:03:31.250 --> 00:03:35.169 And Yeah, and he lays out that Jesus Christ died for our sins, 52 00:03:35.169 --> 00:03:38.009 according to the scriptures, that he was buried on the third day he rose 53 00:03:38.050 --> 00:03:40.250 again, according to the scripture. So the Gospel is the death, burial 54 00:03:40.330 --> 00:03:45.080 and resurrection of Jesus Correct. And sometimes we fall into the trap, and 55 00:03:45.159 --> 00:03:49.199 I think it's possible that's what Matt Chandler's here doing in this quote, if 56 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.120 fall into the trap of, you know, trying to guess, trying to 57 00:03:52.159 --> 00:03:54.120 look good to the world and try not to look like just preachy people. 58 00:03:54.319 --> 00:03:58.189 What we should be doing good things, and you know those two things. 59 00:03:58.270 --> 00:04:01.389 It's not like it's mutually exclusive, like you can preach the Gospel, use 60 00:04:01.469 --> 00:04:04.909 words and you can do good for others. We're commanded to do good for 61 00:04:04.990 --> 00:04:10.060 others. Were commanded to, you know, in these situations, to as 62 00:04:10.139 --> 00:04:14.460 best we can to help these women. But the question is, and it's 63 00:04:14.580 --> 00:04:18.019 in it's a misconception that I like to tear down with folks, with our 64 00:04:18.060 --> 00:04:23.259 new volunteers and with other folks that I talked to about pro life issues is 65 00:04:23.420 --> 00:04:27.329 that, you know, we can't go out there to an abortion clinic, 66 00:04:27.370 --> 00:04:30.490 or we can't be in a pregnancy center in ministry, or we can't stand, 67 00:04:30.649 --> 00:04:32.810 you know, in a protest situation with a sign saying abortion is murder, 68 00:04:33.089 --> 00:04:35.529 unless we're willing to help all of the women that would come to an 69 00:04:35.529 --> 00:04:40.879 abortion to have an abortion right it. Is that really true and as that 70 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.920 mentality really biblical? Yeah, and and we can't speak against abortion without having 71 00:04:45.959 --> 00:04:50.800 the resources to help women who would consider abortion right right and to meet the 72 00:04:50.920 --> 00:04:54.709 needs that they are using to justifyables. Yeah, you know, one of 73 00:04:54.750 --> 00:04:58.750 the things that I like to do whenever these sorts of statements are made is 74 00:04:59.350 --> 00:05:05.670 kind of show the ludicrousness of those statements by giving other examples, not of 75 00:05:05.750 --> 00:05:10.779 an unborn child, so sort of like a fault experiments, kind of kind 76 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:14.620 of just substituting a different, different words, but that give the basic same 77 00:05:14.660 --> 00:05:17.300 idea. So so what if the memes said, as a church, we 78 00:05:17.980 --> 00:05:24.769 must not say that's sexual abuse of two year olds is wicked, without saying 79 00:05:24.850 --> 00:05:28.930 to all fathers we will serve you. Yeah, okay, that's not all 80 00:05:28.970 --> 00:05:32.050 that different from except now we're talking about instead of an unborn and an abortion, 81 00:05:32.129 --> 00:05:39.920 which is a legal and increasingly socially acceptable form of murder. We're talking 82 00:05:39.959 --> 00:05:43.519 about something that most people agree with, that that two year old should not 83 00:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.920 be sexually is. If you don't agree with that, then turn this podcast 84 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:49.110 off and right, right and go get demons cast out. Okay, so 85 00:05:49.189 --> 00:05:54.709 here's anotherhood. How about this? As a church, we must not say 86 00:05:54.829 --> 00:06:01.069 of drunk drivers who kill innocent children, murderers, unless we provide programs to 87 00:06:01.269 --> 00:06:05.980 every alcoholic. All right, yeah, and you know, these thought experiments 88 00:06:06.019 --> 00:06:11.980 and you kind of analogies help us to see the absurdity, right, of 89 00:06:12.100 --> 00:06:15.339 what's being said. Right. So you know what Matt Chandler says again, 90 00:06:15.339 --> 00:06:17.459 going back to that you we must not say of abortion. Then it's murder 91 00:06:18.170 --> 00:06:21.449 without saying to the mother. will serve you right. Well, let's ask 92 00:06:21.490 --> 00:06:26.529 ourselves the question then and again. I'm not picking on Matt Chandler, is 93 00:06:26.889 --> 00:06:30.170 you know, it's a situation where we could ben I can't see how, 94 00:06:30.370 --> 00:06:32.959 but maybe he was taken out of context. It's just a little quote. 95 00:06:33.160 --> 00:06:36.519 I think the human coalition or somebody put it out in a meme, right, 96 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.959 and and it's some other folks grab don't do it. Say this is 97 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:42.480 what. What is it? What is he even talking about? So we're 98 00:06:42.519 --> 00:06:45.759 not picking on him, but we have to ask yourself, though, is 99 00:06:45.800 --> 00:06:48.990 abortion really murder? And, you know, I would say take even a 100 00:06:49.029 --> 00:06:54.350 step further than that. Is it mass genocide? Is it like unto the 101 00:06:54.470 --> 00:07:00.870 Holocaust, because I think most prolife folks would agree that it is. I 102 00:07:00.949 --> 00:07:04.060 mean, we're looking at sixty five million plus, right, so that's almost, 103 00:07:04.220 --> 00:07:08.699 you know, ten times as many people that were killed in the Holocaust 104 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:11.860 and I think we all would look back at the Holocaust and say that was 105 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:16.769 a terrible, massive loss of innocent life and it was something that we as 106 00:07:16.810 --> 00:07:20.089 a society, we, you know, human being, should look back and 107 00:07:20.170 --> 00:07:25.930 say that should never have happened. Right, is abortion? Is the abortion 108 00:07:26.050 --> 00:07:30.480 Holocaust like unto that? And it would always be, you know, Tan 109 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:33.839 amount to saying to you know, these Nazis who many felt like they were 110 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:38.720 doing their country and economic good by getting rid of these people that they perceive 111 00:07:38.839 --> 00:07:42.120 to be the problem that, you know, we can't say to these Nazis, 112 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.110 Hey, don't, don't pack these Jews away and in cattle cars and 113 00:07:46.470 --> 00:07:48.990 send him off to concentration camps and ultimately kill them, like we're not able 114 00:07:49.029 --> 00:07:54.990 to say that unless we offer them some kind of rehabilitation, profect or in 115 00:07:55.350 --> 00:07:58.899 the economic conditions that they needed. That they were saying, if we get 116 00:07:58.939 --> 00:08:03.220 rid of the Jews, it will increase whatever prosperity. Yeah, and so 117 00:08:03.899 --> 00:08:07.500 what do we need to be sure we're? Should we have been sure Germany 118 00:08:07.620 --> 00:08:11.740 was economically prosperous and then say, Oh and by the way, don't right. 119 00:08:11.779 --> 00:08:15.850 Yes, three million Jews are however many million Jews they can yeah, 120 00:08:15.930 --> 00:08:22.370 and really the question is this. Do we have any right to go and 121 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:26.529 tell moms going into an abortion clinic or MOMS who are struggling in their hearts 122 00:08:26.569 --> 00:08:28.040 and minds of whether or not to have an abortion, that we have any 123 00:08:28.079 --> 00:08:33.240 right to tell them not to kill their children if we don't have the resources 124 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:37.799 available to meet their needs or if we're not willing to make the sacrifices that 125 00:08:37.919 --> 00:08:41.269 we would have to make as a church, as a ministry, as an 126 00:08:41.269 --> 00:08:46.110 individual, like if we're not willing to take a mother in our house who's 127 00:08:46.149 --> 00:08:48.789 getting who's going to be kicked out of her house unless she has an abortion, 128 00:08:48.830 --> 00:08:50.110 right, do we have any right to tell her not to have that 129 00:08:50.190 --> 00:08:54.590 abouttion, right, and some folks will say no, yeah, we need 130 00:08:54.710 --> 00:08:56.899 to be be willing to open our house. And I'm not saying because you 131 00:08:58.019 --> 00:09:01.779 know, some of our volunteers have literally done that. Some volunteers have literally, 132 00:09:01.019 --> 00:09:05.700 literally taken MOMS who were going to be homeless into their homes from the 133 00:09:05.860 --> 00:09:09.649 abortion clining. Yep, you serve all some testimony. So, yeah, 134 00:09:09.850 --> 00:09:13.330 that's that's something that, you know, some of our folks have been willing 135 00:09:13.370 --> 00:09:16.730 to do. But, as everyone, should everyone be willing to do that? 136 00:09:16.289 --> 00:09:20.049 Yeah, and and of course not, of course not. So, 137 00:09:20.570 --> 00:09:24.559 as in all things, it's it's really valuable. Says, what does the 138 00:09:24.600 --> 00:09:28.000 Bible say? Yeah, does does the Bible the exactly does the Bible Guide 139 00:09:28.000 --> 00:09:33.120 us in this? And so, when I was working on this article, 140 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:41.789 does the Bible talk about proclamations by the Church regarding we could behavior? Okay, 141 00:09:43.309 --> 00:09:48.990 and how are we to talk about or are we to talk about we 142 00:09:50.110 --> 00:09:52.980 could behavior? Do we need to just the Bible talk about providing social programs 143 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:56.779 first or whatever? So some of the some of the verses that I found, 144 00:09:58.019 --> 00:10:03.379 these are verses for all from proverbs twenty eight. Okay, I just 145 00:10:03.539 --> 00:10:07.850 looked at the one proverb the wicked flee when no one is pursuing, but 146 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.769 the righteous are bold as a lion. All right, those who forsake the 147 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:18.730 law praise the wicked, but those who keep the law strive with them. 148 00:10:20.490 --> 00:10:26.120 He who leads the upright astray in an evil way will himself fall into his 149 00:10:26.279 --> 00:10:33.039 own pit. But the blame was blameless will inherit good. He who confesses 150 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:39.789 and forsakes transgressions will find compassion. A man who is laden with the guilt 151 00:10:39.830 --> 00:10:43.990 of human blood will be a fugitive until death. Let no one support him. 152 00:10:45.870 --> 00:10:50.259 He who rebukes a man will afterward find more favor, favor than he 153 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.340 who flatters with the tongue. In other words, in all of these verses, 154 00:10:54.620 --> 00:10:58.500 the righteous are bold. Who are the righteous? The Bible tells us, 155 00:10:58.539 --> 00:11:01.539 right, who are the righteous? Well, I mean, of course 156 00:11:01.620 --> 00:11:05.649 we all know there's none righteous. So we're not. We're not righteous in 157 00:11:05.769 --> 00:11:09.929 and of ourselves, right, but when we become Christians, we take on 158 00:11:09.049 --> 00:11:13.850 the righteousness of Christ and you and the Bible's pretty clear that you are. 159 00:11:13.889 --> 00:11:18.490 You are righteous in Christ and so yeah, I mean we could, as 160 00:11:18.529 --> 00:11:22.279 Christians, say we're the righteous by the grace of God, and we're told 161 00:11:22.000 --> 00:11:28.399 we who are righteous are to be bold as lions. Yeah, in exposing 162 00:11:28.720 --> 00:11:31.799 evil. So yess club. Sure, proverbs twenty eight is a good one. 163 00:11:31.919 --> 00:11:33.669 The what there were many. That was throughout proverbs twenty eight, where 164 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:37.029 I didn't give the specific verses, but you can, you can look them 165 00:11:37.070 --> 00:11:45.590 up. But so, what does boldness entail? And you touched on this 166 00:11:45.629 --> 00:11:50.740 right at the beginning. Is Boldness just demonstrating by our lives that we are 167 00:11:52.539 --> 00:12:00.179 reflecting God and and showing God's atoning sacrifice for us, the Gospel, through 168 00:12:00.259 --> 00:12:05.330 our behavior? It should. But is that boldness? Right? And there 169 00:12:05.370 --> 00:12:15.169 were a lot of scriptures about boldness. And listen to the active verb. 170 00:12:15.610 --> 00:12:18.360 Okay, in all of these scripture into some grammar, grammar, and there, 171 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:22.799 yeah, this is a grammar. Let's I was an English major in 172 00:12:22.840 --> 00:12:26.600 a little bit worried. Yeah, okay, okay, in axe twenty eight, 173 00:12:26.720 --> 00:12:31.870 thirty one, proclaiming the Kingdom of God and teaching about the Lord Jesus 174 00:12:33.149 --> 00:12:37.909 with all boldness. Yeah, proclaiming, right, that's the active verb. 175 00:12:37.029 --> 00:12:41.110 We are proclaiming with all boldness. Okay, how about this one? If 176 00:12:41.190 --> 00:12:46.580 Heesian six nineteen, but also for me that words may be given to me 177 00:12:48.059 --> 00:12:54.059 in opening my mouth boldly right, to proclaim the mystery of the Gospel effician, 178 00:12:54.139 --> 00:12:56.259 six nineteenth people. So all again. Right. And what does he 179 00:12:56.379 --> 00:13:03.690 do? He opens his mouth boldly, not catch flies, right, right, 180 00:13:03.370 --> 00:13:09.210 probably to speak, probably say okay, Second Timothy, three hundred and 181 00:13:09.210 --> 00:13:13.720 sixteen, all scriptures breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, 182 00:13:15.279 --> 00:13:20.039 for correction and for training in righteousness. Now, the word boldly wasn't 183 00:13:20.080 --> 00:13:22.519 in there, but it does tell us, tell us that we are to 184 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.669 correct others. Now I want to ask how can we correct others if we're 185 00:13:28.789 --> 00:13:33.029 you're not speaking. Yeah, how are we going to correct well, you 186 00:13:33.110 --> 00:13:35.269 know, someone might well say, you know, if someone's living a lifestyle 187 00:13:35.350 --> 00:13:39.629 that's destructive, if you live a lifestyle that honors God and it's not destructive 188 00:13:39.669 --> 00:13:43.899 in front of them, MMM, then that's a way that you can correct 189 00:13:43.899 --> 00:13:46.620 them. Your life can be a rebuke, right, and and that correction, 190 00:13:46.779 --> 00:13:52.659 presumably, would take some time. So what if? What if the 191 00:13:52.940 --> 00:13:56.210 need for correction is when there's a life or death on the line in front 192 00:13:56.250 --> 00:13:58.409 of me? Yeah, because I mean to that situation. And you would 193 00:13:58.409 --> 00:14:01.730 say, if somebody's, you know, it's let's say you have next door 194 00:14:01.730 --> 00:14:05.370 neighbors that are living, you know, sexually and moral. Maybe they're shacked 195 00:14:05.370 --> 00:14:09.129 up and they're cohabitating. They're not married in right, you know, I 196 00:14:09.169 --> 00:14:11.440 mean my wife were going to live an awesome married life in front of these 197 00:14:11.480 --> 00:14:15.440 people. Be a display. Yes, and Amen, you should right. 198 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.600 But those it's not like an either or situation. M You need to be 199 00:14:20.080 --> 00:14:22.960 speaking the Gospel. That I mean you're shoving it down their throat. It 200 00:14:24.039 --> 00:14:26.830 doesn't mean you in the situation of abortion that we need the we're not saying 201 00:14:26.830 --> 00:14:31.230 you need to stand in front of abortion clinic and yell you murderer. You 202 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:33.990 feel the murder or your abortion is murder, anything like that. But you 203 00:14:35.350 --> 00:14:37.659 do need to use words right in order to proclaim the Gospel and you do 204 00:14:37.860 --> 00:14:43.100 need to use words in order to proclaim, two women going into an abortion 205 00:14:43.139 --> 00:14:46.419 clinic and men at the abortion clinic that abortion is wrong. Right. We've 206 00:14:46.460 --> 00:14:52.059 talked about it a bunch and so I don't think that we need to backtrack 207 00:14:52.139 --> 00:14:56.409 and qualify what we're saying, but I'LL DIS mantine it. We're not, 208 00:14:56.129 --> 00:15:00.049 as a ministry, standing in front of the abortion clinic just yelling at people. 209 00:15:00.090 --> 00:15:03.769 We want to be gracious in our words, but we also do want 210 00:15:03.769 --> 00:15:09.519 to speak what we speak with boldness, with truth and with clarity. And 211 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.759 you know, the Bible does tell us that there are actions that people should 212 00:15:13.759 --> 00:15:22.029 see, but they're not just the actions of living a righteous life. They 213 00:15:22.070 --> 00:15:26.750 are that, but listen to these actions. Okay, and in proverbs eleven, 214 00:15:26.789 --> 00:15:31.070 one of kind of a key verse for our ministry. Rescue those who 215 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:37.340 are being taken away to death, hold back those who are stumbling to the 216 00:15:37.419 --> 00:15:45.659 slaughter. Our actions are to prevent in a physical way. What is someone 217 00:15:46.179 --> 00:15:50.370 in a dire situation being led away to death, stumbling to the slaughter? 218 00:15:50.450 --> 00:15:54.169 Where to hold them back? Where to rescue them? So we're to broke 219 00:15:54.210 --> 00:16:00.250 up, boldly, proclaim the Gospel, boldly, stand and act to deter 220 00:16:00.649 --> 00:16:03.679 the wicked. Yeah, I think the Bible's pretty clear about that and I 221 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.399 just gave a very few verses that that talk about that. We are to 222 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:14.799 confront evil boldly. Yeah, yeah, and the confrontation that were supposed to 223 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:18.029 have with evil is often times a verbal confrontation, like you just mentioned. 224 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:22.710 You know, the the Timothy Passage about reb rebuke and reproof. Those are 225 00:16:22.950 --> 00:16:27.750 those are verbal words. Yes, are they imply that you're using your mouth 226 00:16:27.830 --> 00:16:32.389 or using your words right, to bring a reproof, to bring a rebuke, 227 00:16:32.509 --> 00:16:34.460 to bring a correction. Yeah, and in none of these verses, 228 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:40.019 by the way, and you can look through proverbs twenty eight, there is 229 00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:44.220 in the last verse in Proverb Twenty Eight, one call in a sense to 230 00:16:44.379 --> 00:16:47.769 social justice. That that verse. I'll just read it. He who gives 231 00:16:47.809 --> 00:16:51.649 to the poor will never want, but he who shuts his eyes will have 232 00:16:51.690 --> 00:16:56.610 many curses. But all of the other verses and in in proverbs twenty eight, 233 00:16:56.690 --> 00:17:00.330 we're talking about how to how to deal with the wicked. Yeah, 234 00:17:00.639 --> 00:17:04.119 but he gives to the poor. He doesn't say gives to the poor who 235 00:17:04.720 --> 00:17:10.039 have done some wickedness. It's just give to someone who's an unfortunate circumstances. 236 00:17:10.200 --> 00:17:15.000 Right. That's a very different situation than what's happening at an abortion center. 237 00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.589 Yes or not? Just poor women? These are often poor women who are 238 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:22.630 there murdering their baby. Yeah, well, you know, also there's this 239 00:17:23.190 --> 00:17:29.509 misconception that folks have about women going into abortion clinics, women that are having 240 00:17:29.509 --> 00:17:33.420 abortions. Now, I am not saying that there aren't difficult situations. There 241 00:17:33.460 --> 00:17:37.619 are. We encounter them on a regular basis. Just a few days ago 242 00:17:37.619 --> 00:17:41.420 we were talking about this. We had a situation where a young lady's boyfriend 243 00:17:42.059 --> 00:17:45.049 was in essence, trying to force her to have an abortion. There was 244 00:17:45.089 --> 00:17:49.450 a such a scuffle he busted the window over car out with the Rock and 245 00:17:51.049 --> 00:17:53.730 and you thankfully she didn't have the abortion, praise God, but she was 246 00:17:53.769 --> 00:17:57.599 under a lot of pressure right and she was, you know, still is 247 00:17:57.640 --> 00:18:00.920 under a lot of pressure. That situation hasn't just disappeared because she left the 248 00:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.519 abortion clinic. Yeah, and we encounter, I mean, any situation you 249 00:18:04.640 --> 00:18:08.240 can think of that might could potentially just find abortion, we encountered. But 250 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:12.910 the fact is the vast, vast, vast majority of the women that we 251 00:18:12.950 --> 00:18:18.710 encountered at an abortion clinic are in no way victims, in no way, 252 00:18:19.390 --> 00:18:22.190 you know, being pressure to have an abortion. I mean we see him 253 00:18:22.990 --> 00:18:26.539 go in and and they almost like they kill their baby just for spite. 254 00:18:26.579 --> 00:18:32.420 Yeah, of us. Now again, I'm not tagging everyone that has an 255 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:34.859 abortion with that kind of mentality or whatever, but I'm just saying our experience 256 00:18:34.900 --> 00:18:37.500 has been and if and if you have this mentality, I guess what I'm 257 00:18:37.500 --> 00:18:41.609 getting at is, if you have the mentality that women that have abortions to 258 00:18:41.730 --> 00:18:47.009 just pure, poor innocent victims. Then come out with us for a couple 259 00:18:47.049 --> 00:18:49.609 of days, come out and join us on the sidewalk and you'll see that 260 00:18:49.730 --> 00:18:52.690 they're not just victims. We did a podcast about this. Are Women that 261 00:18:52.769 --> 00:18:57.920 have abortions victims? And and we talked about biblically and and from a biblical 262 00:18:59.039 --> 00:19:02.319 perspective. You know, in a sense we're all victims of the lies of 263 00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:06.440 the enemy. Doesn't give us justification for doing the sins and things that we 264 00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:07.400 do. Do we do a podcast, but did? Yeah, we did. 265 00:19:07.480 --> 00:19:11.509 Okay, yeah, so you remember. It's awesome to I remember it 266 00:19:11.589 --> 00:19:15.309 so so vividly right now. Not Really, but listen to it. It's 267 00:19:15.309 --> 00:19:19.789 awesome. So the idea that women are poored, just poor innocent victims of 268 00:19:19.869 --> 00:19:23.579 their circumstances and that's why they have an abortion, it's just a misconception, 269 00:19:23.619 --> 00:19:29.299 right. It is. It is and that you know. We see women 270 00:19:29.380 --> 00:19:32.539 go in and we see women come out and we see many come out with 271 00:19:32.660 --> 00:19:36.660 tears in their eyes and their hearts are broken and it's grievous for us to 272 00:19:36.740 --> 00:19:40.410 see them come out and it's basically okay, you've been duped by the devil. 273 00:19:40.450 --> 00:19:42.250 He told you go in and have the abortion and it's going to be 274 00:19:42.329 --> 00:19:45.890 all right. And you're saying the comforter going in is your accuser. Come 275 00:19:45.890 --> 00:19:48.769 Out, look what you've done, and so hard to see. But the 276 00:19:49.089 --> 00:19:52.849 vast majority are not like that. The vast majority to come out and they 277 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:56.519 got their middle finger up and they, you know, speed out just despite 278 00:19:56.559 --> 00:20:02.079 you. Right, there's something on facebook right now, I believe they're quotes 279 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:06.079 and testimonies. I think it's called not a victim. Yeah, and and 280 00:20:06.200 --> 00:20:11.390 it's quotes and testimonies from women who are post abortive and who talked about they 281 00:20:11.430 --> 00:20:15.630 admit, look, I am not a victim and they'll describe their wickedness and 282 00:20:15.750 --> 00:20:18.910 you can going into that abortion. So, yeah, I haven't looked much 283 00:20:18.910 --> 00:20:22.339 into that, but yeah, yeah, you know, and are not that 284 00:20:22.579 --> 00:20:26.220 many of them are not. They're not and they admit they're not. And 285 00:20:26.299 --> 00:20:30.980 I think another another way that we can approach whether this meme is true or 286 00:20:32.019 --> 00:20:37.289 not is to think about are there any biblical examples of Prophets, messengers of 287 00:20:37.369 --> 00:20:44.450 God, anyone who God has sent to confront evil, to confront wicked? 288 00:20:44.809 --> 00:20:51.480 Yeah, who are also told by God but first make sure all those social 289 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:56.960 programs that are necessary to take care of all those wicked people's needs are in 290 00:20:56.119 --> 00:21:00.400 place. Yeah, yeah, well, you know, you think about the 291 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:03.910 children of Israel and and their rebellion against God, and I know you're going 292 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:07.549 to talk a little bit about Moses. To be going on, even pass 293 00:21:07.710 --> 00:21:11.950 Moses, H Huh, if you're looking at Jeremiah, the prophet is they 294 00:21:12.869 --> 00:21:18.660 write these men were called to a difficult task, right, they were called 295 00:21:18.740 --> 00:21:22.380 to expose the sin of the nation of Israel, their rebellion and their idolatry. 296 00:21:23.460 --> 00:21:26.819 And again, it was not an easy task. And it's not like 297 00:21:26.900 --> 00:21:30.740 these people were involved in, you know, just you know, bad gambling 298 00:21:30.859 --> 00:21:36.369 deals or they are, you know, you know, doing just underhanded things. 299 00:21:36.410 --> 00:21:42.009 They were involved literally in sacrificing their children to demons, to Pagan Gods, 300 00:21:42.130 --> 00:21:47.799 right, little g and so they were dealing with in a lot of 301 00:21:47.839 --> 00:21:52.559 ways, what we're talking very similar. So it's the absolutely murderabness the innocent 302 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:55.559 babies. So hop into what you've got. They well, so some of 303 00:21:55.640 --> 00:21:59.440 the I was just thinking of some of the people who were commanded by God 304 00:21:59.519 --> 00:22:03.509 to confront wickedness, because that's what basically chandler is talking about. Pastor chandlers 305 00:22:03.910 --> 00:22:08.470 is saying, okay, you're confronting the wickedness of abortion. Well, you 306 00:22:08.630 --> 00:22:15.470 can't call it murder until you've set up all of these programs that are going 307 00:22:15.470 --> 00:22:18.339 to help those this women. That's what he means by we will serve you, 308 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:19.980 whatever your needs are. We will, we will serve you. So 309 00:22:21.220 --> 00:22:23.940 let's think about Moses. Okay, he comes off the mountain with the Ten 310 00:22:25.059 --> 00:22:32.289 Commandments and he sees his people of Sir biling down to a false god that 311 00:22:32.369 --> 00:22:36.730 they had made right, the golden calf that they had made, and so 312 00:22:37.329 --> 00:22:45.599 Moses right away breaks the ten commandments and then offers them an idolatry, idolatry 313 00:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.119 recovery program right. Yeah, I mean of course. I mean while Whitney, 314 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.559 you knows. How could he tell them, you idolatrous, idolatrous people, 315 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:57.079 you have defied a holy God, unless he first makes sure that there 316 00:22:57.200 --> 00:23:00.869 is a recovery program in place? Of course they need an idolatry cover every 317 00:23:00.990 --> 00:23:04.430 program and he would have that in place before he even right got angry through 318 00:23:04.509 --> 00:23:07.589 down the tablets. Of course, that's an absurdity that that's not what happened. 319 00:23:07.630 --> 00:23:12.460 Action are in this article and I saw the idolatry recovery program I had 320 00:23:12.539 --> 00:23:17.539 to laugh. That's that's really funny. That's really classic. But again it 321 00:23:17.579 --> 00:23:21.579 shows the absurdity of what we're talking about. And right just probably keep saying 322 00:23:21.660 --> 00:23:23.980 this because I feel I don't just throw this brother under the bus. I'm 323 00:23:23.980 --> 00:23:26.369 sure he meant well and what he's saying, but this is a learning and 324 00:23:26.650 --> 00:23:32.849 teachable moment. I think that we can just tear down some really barriers now 325 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:37.730 and I think an important point to this and why we felt like we needed 326 00:23:37.730 --> 00:23:41.369 to tackle this, is that it is a barrier for people coming out to 327 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:45.599 the sidewalk because they don't feel like, number one, that they're equipped to 328 00:23:45.680 --> 00:23:49.240 come out to the sidewalk and be a voice for the voices. Number two, 329 00:23:49.279 --> 00:23:52.079 you listen, you're flesh and the devil will give you all kinds of 330 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.990 reasons not to obey God and be a voice to the voiceless. And you 331 00:23:56.069 --> 00:24:00.069 know, I don't have the financial resources to help a mom. I mean, 332 00:24:00.150 --> 00:24:02.349 what if? What if a mom needs a place to stay and and 333 00:24:02.430 --> 00:24:04.549 I can't bring her into my house. I have so many kids already and 334 00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:07.309 and I have so much to take care of already. I can't do that. 335 00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:11.740 And so people it'll be a barrier for some people to think I can't 336 00:24:11.740 --> 00:24:15.819 say abortion is murdering go out there and stay until him not to murder their 337 00:24:15.859 --> 00:24:18.579 children, if I can't help them in this this and this way and again, 338 00:24:18.660 --> 00:24:21.859 it'll be a barrier. And you know, Moses certainly didn't have that 339 00:24:22.019 --> 00:24:26.009 as a barry as he dealt with the children of Israel and and you ultimately 340 00:24:26.970 --> 00:24:30.329 was he do? He takes the Golden Calf and grinds it into powder and 341 00:24:30.410 --> 00:24:33.690 makes them drink it. I mean that this is so shure, because that 342 00:24:33.809 --> 00:24:37.410 was he is social repecovery program this this brother was series about this, this 343 00:24:37.609 --> 00:24:41.240 thing. You know, another danger, as long as we're talking about the 344 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:44.119 dangerous because, like you said, no, we don't mean to pile on 345 00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.079 Matt Chandler. Right, yeah, he seems like a great guy from the 346 00:24:47.279 --> 00:24:49.720 little I know about him. But but this, I think, is a 347 00:24:51.079 --> 00:24:55.549 very real, impresent danger of a meme like that and the message of that 348 00:24:55.789 --> 00:25:00.710 meme. The moms themselves who are go going into abort their children use this 349 00:25:03.069 --> 00:25:08.700 excuse for why to abort their children. Just this morning I was there early. 350 00:25:10.059 --> 00:25:11.660 There was a mom who had been dropped off by a cab driver. 351 00:25:11.779 --> 00:25:17.099 So I had fifteen minutes to talk with her before they open the door and 352 00:25:17.420 --> 00:25:19.779 we had a long exchange. Most of hers were four let a word and 353 00:25:22.970 --> 00:25:26.650 telling me to shut up and that I didn't have any right to say what 354 00:25:26.809 --> 00:25:34.410 I was saying. Just what what this meme says. Because was I going 355 00:25:34.450 --> 00:25:41.279 to take care of her baby? Yeah, and I said yes. I 356 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:47.119 said yes, not me specifically, but I have a list of names of 357 00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:52.990 mother's who want a child. Have said any mother at the abortion center who 358 00:25:52.029 --> 00:25:56.829 says I need someone to take care of my baby and then I won't aboard? 359 00:25:56.069 --> 00:26:00.750 So I am happy to provide that list with you, ma'am. And 360 00:26:00.869 --> 00:26:07.460 then she she went on to the next level. If I keep this baby, 361 00:26:07.099 --> 00:26:11.500 if I don't kill this baby. I don't think she said either kill 362 00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.500 or or baby, by the way, but she said, will you provide 363 00:26:15.539 --> 00:26:23.809 his college education? Again, it's the same philosophy. Unless we provide needs, 364 00:26:25.289 --> 00:26:30.329 and in fact all their needs, then they are justified in killing their 365 00:26:30.369 --> 00:26:34.319 baby, they think, and I don't think that's what probably Matt Chandler was 366 00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:41.880 saying, but they do not need to be forcibly confronted as I was, 367 00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:47.390 because her heart was clearly very hard. Right and and he I think that 368 00:26:47.630 --> 00:26:52.150 me it would tell me I had no right to confront her. Yeah, 369 00:26:52.789 --> 00:26:56.150 yes, and one, since it could discourage someone like you, who were 370 00:26:56.150 --> 00:26:59.670 going out there to be a voice for the voiceless, and it would encourage 371 00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:03.019 an abortive mother to say, well, if these people can't provide for all 372 00:27:03.059 --> 00:27:07.539 my needs, then then I'm just fine, justified. I absolutely aboard. 373 00:27:07.940 --> 00:27:11.380 And if head, I've had women and men say to me, if you 374 00:27:11.460 --> 00:27:14.420 give me five thou dollars right now, won't have this abortion right. And 375 00:27:14.539 --> 00:27:18.849 it's like, okay, there's this selfishness there that we don't need to play 376 00:27:18.890 --> 00:27:22.250 into now. We don't, because we're never going to. Everybody has needs. 377 00:27:22.289 --> 00:27:26.250 We're never going to be AB Solucentis finding. So you know, I'll 378 00:27:26.289 --> 00:27:29.690 say this, and I've said this the volunteers, I've said this to myself, 379 00:27:29.730 --> 00:27:33.960 I've said this to you. If we had nothing, not a single 380 00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:38.519 resource. Thank God, maybe we'll get into some of that yet some point. 381 00:27:40.039 --> 00:27:42.039 Thank God. We have all kinds of resources here in Charlotte. You've 382 00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:47.670 got ministries, I mean we've got financial counselors that will sit down. We've 383 00:27:47.670 --> 00:27:51.950 got relationship counselors, we've got housing, ministry, clothing, food, I 384 00:27:52.029 --> 00:27:55.269 mean anything you can think of. It's amazing what God has done. Yeah, 385 00:27:55.430 --> 00:27:56.829 and they may not be like that in every city. Thankfully it's like 386 00:27:56.950 --> 00:28:00.420 that here. We thank God for that right. But if we had none 387 00:28:00.460 --> 00:28:06.140 of that, if the only thing that we had was our measily little voices 388 00:28:06.819 --> 00:28:11.259 and the only words we could eke out was don't murder your child, yeah, 389 00:28:11.740 --> 00:28:15.369 we would be still perfectly justified in standing in front of that abortion clinic. 390 00:28:15.849 --> 00:28:21.650 Why? Because abortion is murder, because it's sin, because it's wrong, 391 00:28:21.890 --> 00:28:25.009 and we're commanded to speak out against that which is sin, that which 392 00:28:25.049 --> 00:28:27.519 is wrong. Right, tell they agree. Let me go on to another 393 00:28:27.559 --> 00:28:32.920 problem. Let's go in too an okay. Let's think about Jonah okay, 394 00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:38.359 going to Innova and he tells them to repent eventually. I mean at first 395 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:41.400 he said in a way, was it. Yeah, you know, we 396 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:44.069 went definitely ran from the Lord. He did, he did. But then 397 00:28:44.069 --> 00:28:48.589 he does go and and he tells them to repent. But before he tells 398 00:28:48.670 --> 00:28:55.819 them to repent, he sets up a crisis intervention center for bloodthirsty liars because 399 00:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.579 he has to because because in in Jonah, one, one, two, 400 00:29:00.660 --> 00:29:04.180 two, the word of the Lord came to Jonah, the son of Amatos, 401 00:29:04.259 --> 00:29:07.500 saying arise, go to an inn of other great city and cry against 402 00:29:07.539 --> 00:29:12.930 it, for their wickedness has come up before me. And later we find 403 00:29:12.970 --> 00:29:18.690 out what that wickedness is. In Nahem, Uh Huh, chapter three, 404 00:29:18.809 --> 00:29:23.210 verse one, woe to the bloody city. He's talking about Nineveh completely full 405 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:30.240 of lies and pillage. Her prey never depart. So their bloodthirsty, lying 406 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.039 pillagers. Well, before we can call them those things, are confront them 407 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:41.750 in their sin accord that see lying pillager crisis, ventiman center. And yeah, 408 00:29:41.829 --> 00:29:45.150 maybe they're blood maybe they're lying in bloodthirsty and pillagers because, you know, 409 00:29:45.269 --> 00:29:48.029 they don't have much. They were raising bad homes, right, maybe 410 00:29:48.029 --> 00:29:52.549 they that was their example. Yeah, they're that's that's what their father did 411 00:29:52.630 --> 00:29:55.099 right for them, my father's father. And they just don't have it. 412 00:29:55.220 --> 00:29:59.420 They just need counseling. They just need counseling. Yeah, and and maybe 413 00:29:59.460 --> 00:30:03.700 that's the case, but still, yet we know the private Jonah was to 414 00:30:03.779 --> 00:30:11.369 go and to proclaim God's truth and give a warning of the consequences if they 415 00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:14.890 are to continue in sin. Now, of course, we know them into 416 00:30:14.930 --> 00:30:17.730 the story. Jonah was not so happy, no, about this, but 417 00:30:17.890 --> 00:30:21.960 I think God was very happy that this, that Nineveh, repented before God. 418 00:30:22.240 --> 00:30:25.680 Yeah, and that, you know, God was glorified in that city. 419 00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:30.319 For there is contants, a quick out intervention center there, Turk, 420 00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:33.880 without all of their needs being met and all the resources that they need. 421 00:30:33.039 --> 00:30:38.950 It exactly just by speaking truth, by obeying God, speaking truth, exposed 422 00:30:38.990 --> 00:30:45.589 using the wickedness and urging them to turn repent and turn to God. And 423 00:30:45.150 --> 00:30:49.539 there was repentance. Yeah, so amazing what God's word will do. Even 424 00:30:49.579 --> 00:30:55.500 apart from resources and stuff, God's word changes heart. Yeah, now I 425 00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:59.420 would say I will say, and we've said this before, certainly are resources. 426 00:30:59.660 --> 00:31:03.099 Resources do soften these women so to a point where some of them will 427 00:31:03.180 --> 00:31:07.369 then say, okay, they're worth hearing. Yeah, and that's how the 428 00:31:07.490 --> 00:31:11.170 resources are valuable. I think it's one of our it's one of our three 429 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:15.569 points we're dealing with when we're training. Sidewalk counts right. You'll see it 430 00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:19.240 on the sidewalks for life those who are listening and and maybe you'll go on 431 00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:22.599 the sidewalks for life site. It's one of our first couple of articles about 432 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:26.079 the three talking points for sidewalk counselors. Right. First one is what does 433 00:31:26.119 --> 00:31:30.240 God say about this? So bringing God's truth, God's word, to bear 434 00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:33.950 in the situation. We believe that's first and most important. Secondly, the 435 00:31:34.029 --> 00:31:38.390 humanity of the baby, talking about this is a human being, describing fetal 436 00:31:38.430 --> 00:31:41.869 development and all of that. And third is the resources that are available. 437 00:31:41.910 --> 00:31:45.630 So we talked about the resources. It's important for us to do that, 438 00:31:45.829 --> 00:31:48.940 for sure, right. Yeah. So, so our point, I think 439 00:31:48.980 --> 00:31:55.859 is, is is pretty clear that biblically, we don't see that God ever 440 00:31:56.099 --> 00:32:02.009 says don't confront evil or wickedness, don't confrol, front it boldly and don't 441 00:32:02.130 --> 00:32:10.650 confront it by speaking about it unless you have provided for the needs of those 442 00:32:12.049 --> 00:32:16.319 whom you are rebuking. He never says that. Never that I can see. 443 00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:22.759 And really our goal, and I think in likely Matt Chandler's goal, 444 00:32:23.079 --> 00:32:29.519 is to stop abortion, to to hopefully hold people back from the destructive act 445 00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:36.509 of abortion. Yeah, but meeting people's needs is never going to do that. 446 00:32:37.190 --> 00:32:43.190 The only thing that is ultimately going to end abortion, individually and as 447 00:32:43.269 --> 00:32:47.140 a nation, is the Gospel. Right. And so then getting to the 448 00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:52.259 end of that mean? It says unless we provide for needs, we don't 449 00:32:52.539 --> 00:33:00.690 fully understand the Gospel, and I would disagree with that statement. Yeah, 450 00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:05.529 absolutely, because it does the Gospel talk about. Like what is the Gospel, 451 00:33:05.569 --> 00:33:08.210 Daniel, right? I mean I mentioned it earlier about the apostle. 452 00:33:08.250 --> 00:33:13.440 Paul tells us with the Gospel that he preached is, and he says it's 453 00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:15.680 the Gospel in which we stand. Yeah, so the it's the Death Bury 454 00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:22.400 Own resurrection of Jesus Preaching The Gospel. Now, just hear what I'm saying. 455 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:25.240 Don't hear what I'm not saying. Those you're listening preaching the Gospel does 456 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:34.910 not include meeting People's physical needs. Right now, meeting people's physical needs can 457 00:33:34.950 --> 00:33:40.500 be a means to bring the Gospel to people, and meeting people's physical needs 458 00:33:42.140 --> 00:33:46.380 is a necessary component of those who have themselves receive the Gospel, like it's 459 00:33:46.380 --> 00:33:51.859 going to be a natural outflow of our hearts if we have something. You 460 00:33:51.940 --> 00:33:53.940 know, John says it in First John. He says if you see your 461 00:33:54.019 --> 00:33:59.089 brother in need and you don't meet his needs and you say well, go 462 00:33:59.250 --> 00:34:01.529 and be warm and filled, then the love of God doesn't abide in you. 463 00:34:01.609 --> 00:34:07.529 So obviously if you have something and your brother needs it bread. If 464 00:34:07.569 --> 00:34:09.760 you have bread, to loads of bread, and somebody needs it and you 465 00:34:09.800 --> 00:34:14.840 don't give it to him, then that's just evidence that you've not really understood 466 00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.119 the Gospel, your Heart's not been changed, because the Gospel has to do 467 00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:22.079 with us be rather than being a selfish person, becoming a selfless person, 468 00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:25.590 because we see the selfless act that the son of God did about giving his 469 00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:32.110 life on the cross for us. Yeah, but meeting people's physical needs is 470 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:36.909 a means to bring the Gospel to people and to show them that we're genuine. 471 00:34:36.989 --> 00:34:39.300 Right. It kind of I don't say it validates the Gospel. It 472 00:34:39.420 --> 00:34:45.139 just validates those who are bringing the Gospel. But the Gospel itself is very 473 00:34:45.179 --> 00:34:46.900 simple. We make it so complex, to make it so hard. You 474 00:34:46.980 --> 00:34:50.500 got to do this and you got to do that, and you got to 475 00:34:50.579 --> 00:34:52.650 say this and you got to say that and you've got to have this program 476 00:34:52.769 --> 00:34:57.369 in place and you've got to have this other program in place, to the 477 00:34:57.409 --> 00:35:01.130 point where, you know, our churches are full of social programs, children's 478 00:35:01.170 --> 00:35:05.809 programs, youth programs, all these programs and we think, well, these 479 00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:09.159 are what make up a church, and so a church has to have a 480 00:35:09.559 --> 00:35:14.920 kids program youth program of Elderly People Program and all this in order to be 481 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.360 a church. No, to be a church you've got to be people who 482 00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.949 are bought by the blood of Jesus, who've come into a relationship with Jesus 483 00:35:22.030 --> 00:35:25.510 by the Gospel that's proclaiming God's word and it has, you, Biblical leadership 484 00:35:25.550 --> 00:35:30.070 and that sort of thing. It's the Gospel that's at the center of the 485 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:35.150 Church. It's not this, I hate it. This, this this concept 486 00:35:35.230 --> 00:35:40.380 of the Social Gospel. Yeah, it's it's so foreign to what the apostles 487 00:35:40.420 --> 00:35:45.820 were preaching right in the New Testament, so foreign from what Jesus preached. 488 00:35:45.940 --> 00:35:50.449 Now again, please don't hear what I'm not what I'm not saying. I'm 489 00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:53.090 not saying we shouldn't meet People's physical needs. I'm just saying that that's not 490 00:35:53.610 --> 00:35:58.650 part of the Gospels. Never, let's the outflow correct. It is is 491 00:35:58.769 --> 00:36:00.130 never, at least seem to God, with the Gospel. Now, yeah, 492 00:36:00.210 --> 00:36:04.960 it is never linked and and that's what I think the meme does. 493 00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:12.000 That's damaging. It links the ability to confront evil and the in fact the 494 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:16.880 command to confront evil with a Social Justice Program Yeah, and and the Gospel 495 00:36:17.039 --> 00:36:22.469 just doesn't say that, right. We are to confront evil word, to 496 00:36:22.989 --> 00:36:28.949 convict people of sin, where to once they're convicted of sin, to talk 497 00:36:28.949 --> 00:36:32.940 about the just penalty for sin, once they understand that, to talk about 498 00:36:34.219 --> 00:36:38.500 how repentant and submission of a life to Jesus Christ, who died to pay 499 00:36:38.579 --> 00:36:45.300 the penalty for their sin, and that when he rose again, he conquered 500 00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:49.610 death and showed that he was God. Yeah, and the Holy Spirit enters 501 00:36:49.690 --> 00:36:53.409 and dwells us. And we are to go and make disciples of the world, 502 00:36:54.409 --> 00:37:00.289 not through social programs, right, but through continuing to preach that really 503 00:37:00.369 --> 00:37:05.199 pretty simple message. Yeah, that is it's very simple message. And you 504 00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.719 know, we believe that's why we say that's why this is the Gospel Center 505 00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:10.920 pro life podcast. This is why we say as a ministry, Cities for 506 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:16.269 Life is a Gospel Centered Ministry. Is because we believe it's the Gospel that 507 00:37:16.429 --> 00:37:21.550 changes a mother's heart. Right, it's not just, you know, the 508 00:37:21.670 --> 00:37:24.949 idea of social programs that's going to change your heart. It's going to show 509 00:37:25.030 --> 00:37:30.219 her that abortion isn't is an option in the sight of God, but it's 510 00:37:30.460 --> 00:37:34.860 God, by his spirit, coming into her heart, change in her heart 511 00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:39.059 and showing her her need for him. She surrenders to him. Now it 512 00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:44.369 never is that. You know, we goose. We've been accused of this. 513 00:37:44.929 --> 00:37:47.050 You ask, you tell people. Unless you ask Jesus into your life, 514 00:37:47.090 --> 00:37:50.369 right, unless you get saved, lets you become a Christian, we 515 00:37:50.409 --> 00:37:52.329 won't help you. That's not true, right, because we do have help. 516 00:37:52.449 --> 00:37:55.650 We do have, as I talked about earlier, all kinds of resources 517 00:37:55.769 --> 00:38:00.079 and stuff. So I mean it would make no sense for us not to 518 00:38:00.199 --> 00:38:05.719 help an atheist, someone who remained an atheist, with the practical resources, 519 00:38:05.760 --> 00:38:07.760 because that's another opportunity for us to share the Gospel. Right, and as 520 00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:10.320 we're giving out if we're doing a baby shower, we have a baby shower 521 00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:14.469 ministry. We do a baby shower, we're proclaiming the Gospel right now. 522 00:38:14.510 --> 00:38:16.230 Doesn't mean the whole time. We're talking about sin and we're talking about Jesus, 523 00:38:16.269 --> 00:38:21.469 Death Bearing resurrection, but we are clearly presenting the Gospel, not just 524 00:38:21.630 --> 00:38:23.869 in given her baby stuff and saying Jesus loves you. We are laying out 525 00:38:24.070 --> 00:38:28.980 the Gospel that the Bible tells us is the Gospel. Yep, we're talking 526 00:38:29.019 --> 00:38:31.780 about sin, we're talking about the need for righteousness. We're talking about the 527 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:35.739 need to turn to the Lord Jesus and put your faith in him. That's 528 00:38:35.739 --> 00:38:38.059 right, that's right. And and if they don't, we take back off 529 00:38:38.099 --> 00:38:40.690 a gift. Yeah, that's what you're going to give them. Give us 530 00:38:40.730 --> 00:38:44.969 that stuff back. I'm going to give it to somebody who will said Jesus, 531 00:38:45.650 --> 00:38:49.889 that's that's ridiculous, that's absurd. Right, but everything we do needs 532 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:53.889 to be seasoned with the Gospel and our motivation is, you know, one 533 00:38:53.969 --> 00:38:58.679 preacher said, you know, if you bake someone a cake and you give 534 00:38:58.760 --> 00:39:00.400 them a cake and you do it out of the love of your heart and 535 00:39:00.559 --> 00:39:05.159 loving your heart and your love for Jesus, and you just leaving with a 536 00:39:05.239 --> 00:39:07.159 cake and you're not sharing the Gospel with them, you've sent them to hell 537 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.269 with a cake. And Yeah, good is that? Yeah, a lot 538 00:39:12.349 --> 00:39:19.989 of our Social Gospel sort of preaching and this motivation. And again, I'm 539 00:39:20.070 --> 00:39:22.150 not saying we shouldn't have social programs. I mean if you look at the 540 00:39:22.829 --> 00:39:28.820 you know all the things over the years in Christian history, the things that 541 00:39:28.900 --> 00:39:32.059 have been birthed out of Christianity, you almost can't name. You know, 542 00:39:32.099 --> 00:39:37.219 I've in challenge. Atheist named for me five organizations that help poor people, 543 00:39:37.659 --> 00:39:40.610 and I would bet you at least three of those five are Christian or rooted 544 00:39:40.650 --> 00:39:45.610 in Christianity. So almost all humanitarian day is it's a Christian so that's float 545 00:39:45.650 --> 00:39:50.409 out of an innocence, a natural outflow. But this idea that you know, 546 00:39:50.489 --> 00:39:53.840 this Social Gospel, is the Gospel is, is again completely foreign to 547 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:59.599 the biblical concept of proclaiming the Gospel Right, right, and so you know, 548 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:04.159 we are called to bring to bear the truth of who Jesus is and 549 00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:08.110 to give people an opportunity, by appealing to to them by the Holy Spirit, 550 00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:12.230 to turn to the Lord Jesus. And don't shrink back from the fact 551 00:40:12.230 --> 00:40:14.829 that if you're a believer, the Holy Spirit and dwells you and, like 552 00:40:14.909 --> 00:40:19.989 we said earlier, guide you in all righteousness. And you do know wickedness, 553 00:40:20.230 --> 00:40:22.340 you do know right, you do know right from wrong, you do 554 00:40:22.579 --> 00:40:29.820 know evil and you are called by God to rescue those that are on a 555 00:40:29.860 --> 00:40:32.579 path of destruction. And how can you do it if you don't name evil, 556 00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:36.570 call it what it is? Yeah, and then rescue those on that 557 00:40:36.690 --> 00:40:39.250 terrible path. Yeah, absolutely, it's what we're called to do. It's 558 00:40:39.250 --> 00:40:43.969 what the church is called to do. We're called to proclaim the Gospel, 559 00:40:44.050 --> 00:40:47.489 to make disciples of all nations, as the Scripture says, right. And 560 00:40:47.969 --> 00:40:52.000 you know, if we have the means to meet practical needs, we don't 561 00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:57.599 do because it's the Gospel, we do it because it's a natural outflow of 562 00:40:58.000 --> 00:41:01.079 who we are, what God has done in us. Yeah, and you 563 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:05.550 know, and I want to encourage all you guys who are listening who maybe 564 00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:07.150 this is a barrier to you, maybe thinking, you know, I can't 565 00:41:07.150 --> 00:41:10.070 meet this need, I can't do that, I can't do this that. 566 00:41:10.429 --> 00:41:15.070 You know what, through that aside, abortion is murder. Yeah, you 567 00:41:15.230 --> 00:41:20.099 have a voice. Those babies that are murdered. Don't Goole in your voice 568 00:41:20.500 --> 00:41:24.019 right now. I get it, because some folks a barrier to them as 569 00:41:24.019 --> 00:41:28.019 they see some of the some of the other folks who are involved at abortion 570 00:41:28.059 --> 00:41:31.820 clinics or abortion ministry that are just pretty pretty nasty about it. You know, 571 00:41:31.889 --> 00:41:35.730 we've got a guy locally we may have mentioned, who, you know, 572 00:41:36.130 --> 00:41:37.969 stands in front of the abortion clinic and just yells about murder and it's 573 00:41:37.969 --> 00:41:42.010 just it's over the top. It's not helpful. So I get it. 574 00:41:42.090 --> 00:41:44.090 Maybe that's a barrier to some of you people. You don't want to be 575 00:41:44.090 --> 00:41:46.130 associated with that. I get it. Understand that. And that's a question 576 00:41:46.199 --> 00:41:50.360 of tone. Yeah, I think more than anything, more than the message, 577 00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:52.239 even more than the words, is the tone and and the and the 578 00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:59.119 motivation behind it. If if your motivation and your tone is angry and condemning, 579 00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:01.309 that that's not what we're talking about. But Ye, say confront sin. 580 00:42:01.510 --> 00:42:06.110 Yeah, yeah, can confront sin, as Jesus did just matter of 581 00:42:06.150 --> 00:42:07.949 factly, this is right, this is wrong. Turn from it. Yeah, 582 00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:10.309 absolutely. Yeah. So, you know, I get that. They're 583 00:42:10.349 --> 00:42:14.550 all kinds of barriers and when the future will talk about some more of those 584 00:42:14.590 --> 00:42:16.860 barriers. We talk about, and we have before, about the what we 585 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:22.380 believe biblically's the proper tone, and think things that say that you can say 586 00:42:22.420 --> 00:42:25.980 that are really helpful. But this idea that, you know, you have 587 00:42:27.059 --> 00:42:29.699 to meet everybody's needs, or you have to have social programs, you have 588 00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:32.889 to be willing to you know, whatever you know, people think they need 589 00:42:32.929 --> 00:42:37.289 to be willing to do in order to speak out against murder of children. 590 00:42:37.730 --> 00:42:40.369 It's just it's just a misconception. That's wrong and you know, I think 591 00:42:40.409 --> 00:42:45.280 in this sense. You know, if I could have a conversation with Matt 592 00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.079 Chandler, I would let him know I hate hey man, will this back 593 00:42:47.119 --> 00:42:51.960 a little bit because because it can be a barrier for people right and because 594 00:42:51.960 --> 00:42:54.800 he's got some good messages about abortion, powerful messages. He's got a big 595 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:59.389 church there that you know he's not holding back the truth. It is not 596 00:42:59.590 --> 00:43:01.190 justifying a portion, which is awesome. Yeah, I'm encouraged by some of 597 00:43:01.230 --> 00:43:06.510 the stuff I hear from him and appreciate the brother what I know of him. 598 00:43:07.070 --> 00:43:09.630 And and so we're not saying don't listen to him anymore. We're just 599 00:43:10.030 --> 00:43:14.659 springboard and off of that to help you guys. Hopefully this was a blessing 600 00:43:14.699 --> 00:43:16.699 to you guys. You got anything else you want to touch on? Pretty 601 00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:20.219 much, though. Okay, pretty much everything. I yeah. Well, 602 00:43:20.300 --> 00:43:22.139 great. Well, we hope you guys were blessed by this podcast. Hope 603 00:43:22.179 --> 00:43:25.579 you're blessed by our other podcast. We hope that you guys will share these 604 00:43:25.699 --> 00:43:30.210 podcasts. We're trying to put out content. We put out a podcast every 605 00:43:30.250 --> 00:43:32.570 week Thursday morning. 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