April 14, 2022

Understanding the Mindset of Women Who Have Abortions

Understanding the Mindset of Women Who Have Abortions

As counselors on the sidewalk at our local abortion center we want to reach the women and men going in. To reach someone effectively, it's importnat that we try to understand their mindset. In this episode, we share some insights and things we've learned to help get into the mindest of those coming to the abortion centers.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.680 But you can also turn that around to help make your case, because I 2 00:00:04.040 --> 00:00:09.039 will often first of all sympathize. I think you feel betrayed by this guy 3 00:00:09.080 --> 00:00:14.279 who who said he loved you and then is like pain for you to kill 4 00:00:14.320 --> 00:00:20.120 your baby. I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. 5 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:26.280 And Me, Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome 6 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:31.679 to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage 7 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.600 and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the 8 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:46.920 Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use 9 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:53.799 me love. Welcome back to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Daniel 10 00:00:53.840 --> 00:00:58.840 Park's the West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life. That's my current role, 11 00:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.879 but really have a heart for the sidewalk ministry, and with me is Vicky 12 00:01:03.959 --> 00:01:08.319 Kessi York, who serves as a love life missionary here in Charlotte, North 13 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:14.159 Carolina. Both of us have been doing sidewalk outreach ministry at local abortion centers 14 00:01:14.799 --> 00:01:19.040 combined. How many years? Vicky? Almost twenty, I think. Okay, 15 00:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.239 now more than that. Twenty five. Yeah, you're fifteen, I'm 16 00:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.519 almost ten years. So we've been out there a while between the two of 17 00:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.439 us. Yeah, yeah, so we've learned a lot, supposedly we should 18 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.120 have. Yeah, we've made a lot of mistakes right, and we've seen 19 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.760 the Lord very graciously use us to help save babies and bring moms and dad's 20 00:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.159 to the knowledge of Jesus. And so we think that for those that are 21 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.359 listening, we can add some value to what you're doing in your outreach ministry 22 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.120 at local abortion centers, and so that's what we do with these podcasts. 23 00:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.120 We try to encourage you, we try to challenge you, and so this 24 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.439 episode we're going to seek to do that. So what are we going to 25 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.079 talk about in this episode? Well, one of the most important things really 26 00:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.000 that I think we all should be aware of when we're in front of different 27 00:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.719 abortion centers, and that's what is the mindset of the women who are going 28 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.120 in, because that's going to affect how and what we call out if we 29 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:24.800 can get in to the mindset of the women. So this actually did come 30 00:02:24.879 --> 00:02:31.199 up a little bit recently when someone sent both of us some information about an 31 00:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.759 abortion center that was a late term abortion center and she said how should I 32 00:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.120 speak to them? Would it be different? And I was just thinking, 33 00:02:40.199 --> 00:02:46.879 Hey, we would always still call out the three talk key talking points. 34 00:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.879 But then, Daniel, you brought up, I think, a really important 35 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.439 point. The mindset of a woman in a late term abortion is probably going 36 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.759 to be a little bit different. Yeah, maybe a lot different from the 37 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.360 mindset of women in a first trimester. Yeah, abortion. And so, 38 00:03:02.479 --> 00:03:08.599 knowing that, I think we could increase our effectiveness if we can somehow figure 39 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.360 out what's going through their hearts, in their head. Yeah, of course, 40 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.840 with any scenario, and you just kind of brought up a different scenario. 41 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.039 But yeah, there's a different mindset and the people you're going to be 42 00:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.639 reaching out to, depending on the area of the country that you're in, 43 00:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.400 there can be different mindset. Yeah, things like that. There's a lot 44 00:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.520 of stuff to consider. Yeah, and the best we can do to get 45 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.560 in the mindset of someone else, especially, you know, I'm a guy, 46 00:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.680 Dylan, mainly with women going into the abortion center. Right, sometimes 47 00:03:38.680 --> 00:03:39.919 we reach out to the man, but we're trying to reach the women. 48 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.560 Right, it's really hard for me to get in that mindset. But even 49 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.080 if I was able to, the best I could do is just kind of 50 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.639 get a general idea of the mindset. Yeah, there's a course and understanding 51 00:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.960 that everyone is different. Everyone's circumstances, the women that are going in, 52 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 the men that are going into the abortion center, their circumstances are different. 53 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:04.879 Everybody's kind of upbringing is different. So there's a lot of mindsets that can 54 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.240 be going on simultaneously at the same place, in the same moment. But 55 00:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.319 we have to do the best we can to get a general idea of the 56 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.439 mindset of the women that were reaching out the abortion senters. Right, and 57 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:25.279 I think that in developing this article we're drawing on our experience. There are 58 00:04:25.279 --> 00:04:30.199 maybe five or six main things that we always see. Yeah, and and 59 00:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.720 those were the things that we wanted to focus on, because some people may 60 00:04:35.759 --> 00:04:42.199 think that, for example, saying Oh, congratulations, you must be so 61 00:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.120 thrilled your pregnant. Well, that's not getting into the mindset of the mom 62 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.319 and that can be very kind productive. Yeah, so anyway, so that's 63 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.240 why we wrote this article and are doing this podcast. Is you think it's 64 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.639 valuable to be able to speak to the women with a sense of what they're 65 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.000 feeling? Yeah, where they're coming from. Again, we're generalizing of necessity. 66 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.519 Would would that touch someone? Congratulations, you know, your pregnant, 67 00:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.759 congratulations your mom going into the abortions. That I could that touch someone? 68 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.639 Could that be what and what they need to hear? I could probably not. 69 00:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.439 Gonna yeah, but again, the best that we can do is speak 70 00:05:20.480 --> 00:05:27.879 as general and as specific as possible, and I think in this podcast what 71 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.560 we want to encourage you guys to do is to be thinking and praying through 72 00:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.600 Lord. What is the mindset of the women that I'm encountering at the Abortion 73 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.480 Center? Yeah, help help me, Lord, to get into that mindset 74 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.279 so that I know the things that I could say, in the moments that 75 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.680 I say them that would really touch that woman's heart. Yeah. Yeah, 76 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:55.000 and I think one of the most predominant emotions that I see and that I 77 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.279 hear when I speak to the women who do stop and talk with with me, 78 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.399 is beer. Yeah, they're afraid. Right there. This was completely 79 00:06:02.439 --> 00:06:10.360 unplanned in a well, really every case, almost every case, they they're 80 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:15.079 usually in pretty awful circumstances. Right they're looking not at the precious life of 81 00:06:15.120 --> 00:06:21.000 that child really at all. That's really not entering their head. What is 82 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.800 entering their head is, I can't do this. Look at all the struggles 83 00:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.279 in front of me, what am I going to do? In the case 84 00:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.279 of young kids or teenagers who are pregnant, they're thinking, my mom's going 85 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.000 to kill me. Yeah, I'm going to get kicked out of the house 86 00:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.839 where she's literally going to kill me. Now, hear that a lot. 87 00:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.160 Yeah, from a teenage or, you know, my friends are think less 88 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.639 of me. Or right, right, whatever the scenario might be, they 89 00:06:46.800 --> 00:06:53.079 just can't go to school. My boyfriend's going to leave me. He's not 90 00:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.600 at all ready for a baby. Yeah, there's a lot of fear that 91 00:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.040 surrounds an unplanned pregnancy. Yeah, no doubt about it. Yeah, and 92 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.680 you know, we have to understand that. We have to do the best 93 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.800 we can to get in that mindset, not that we ourselves want to be 94 00:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.560 afraid, although we know that we've dealt with fears before. Yeah, I 95 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.839 want to try to get in the mindset of someone in this scenario who's afraid, 96 00:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.120 who doesn't want to tell their parents, who doesn't want to be found 97 00:07:18.120 --> 00:07:24.199 out that they're pregnant. Getting into this mindset. Understanding this mindset does not 98 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.639 justify the thinking. So I just want to make sure that's clear. That's 99 00:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.000 a good point. These mindsets a lot of times are sinful mindsets. Yeah, 100 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:40.240 they're not mindsets that are surrounded by faith and trust in God. And 101 00:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.879 whether they're sinful or not, they're just not the correct mindsets to have. 102 00:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.639 US trying to get into those monthsts and understand those mindsets. Does not justify 103 00:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.600 them, right, any mindset that would lead someone to kill another person. 104 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.600 Yeah, we should not justify that mindset. Right, it's not a good 105 00:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.920 mindset, right, but it would help us to understand that mindset so that 106 00:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.000 we can give some answers and we could ask some questions that would help change 107 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.560 the mindset. That's ultimately the intention behind looking at these monsets. Want to 108 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:15.000 see those mindsets change. Identify the mindset. I think sometimes if if you 109 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:22.079 can say I know you're afraid, that instantly makes them feel okay, they're 110 00:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.399 understood because I guarantee they're afraid. There is a level of fear of some 111 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.759 sort in those women, and so identifying it first, I know you're afraid, 112 00:08:31.959 --> 00:08:37.279 but God is a God who can help you to overcome fear. And 113 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.759 then maybe, like the example that we use in the article is that I 114 00:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.559 had read somewhere. I don't know if this is true, but that the 115 00:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.320 word the phrase do not fear is in the Bible three hundred sixty five times, 116 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.240 which interesting, one for every day of the year. Yeah, but 117 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.759 you know, you think of the most famous in air quotes unplanned pregnancy in 118 00:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.720 the Bible is, of course, Mary with baby. G Says Yeah, 119 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.720 and the angel appears to her and one of the first things he says is 120 00:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.120 do not fear. Yeah, that is a powerful message for us to be 121 00:09:07.240 --> 00:09:13.200 mind the women of. God tells us over and over again in the Bible, 122 00:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.080 and he's telling people when they're in very heart circumstances. What does he 123 00:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.320 say? Do not fear. Yeah. So I think if we can identify 124 00:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.879 you are afraid and God is a God who tells us over and over again 125 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.080 don't be afraid because he does have the answer. Yeah, I think that 126 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.600 is instantly a really valuable message. Yeah, the women to hear. Yeah, 127 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.600 yeah, no doubt. And this kind of goes back to trying to 128 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.799 understand this mindset of fear and the other mindsets we're going to talk about and 129 00:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.000 try to enter into that mindset right again, not embracing or validating, but 130 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.879 entering in for the sake of being able to reach the women that were reaching 131 00:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.360 out to speaks to that whole component I'll talk about in some of our trainings 132 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.320 of compassion, right, suffering with them. That's what the word compassion means. 133 00:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.279 The word passion means suffering and the word calm is with and so to 134 00:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.679 have compassion is to suffer with them. You can, you can more easily 135 00:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.240 suffer with someone, like enter into their suffering, the pain that they're feeling 136 00:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200 in their heart with them, if you can get into that mindset. And 137 00:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.240 for some of us it's not it's not that hard to do, right. 138 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:28.720 We can remember back when we had unplanned pregnancy, plan pregnancy situation, or 139 00:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.720 some that have had abortions. Can have compassion. You can enter into the 140 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.879 mindset of a woman that has had an abortion or that is having going to 141 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.720 have an abortion, because you've been there, right yeah, so you can 142 00:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.840 remember back again, you're not validating the way that you were thinking back then, 143 00:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.039 but you're trying to enter into that mindset and think, okay, in 144 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.440 those days when I was considering abortion, what were some of the things that 145 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.080 someone could have said to me that would change my mindset? Right? So 146 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.159 that's that's what we're talking about, right yeah, and just being able to 147 00:10:56.159 --> 00:11:00.279 relate, like you said, that showing that compassions for relating with them. 148 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.279 I remember when I was in an unplanned pregnancy and I saw that pink line. 149 00:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.320 I was terrified. Yeah, and so they're not alone. The feeling 150 00:11:09.480 --> 00:11:15.559 is not invalidated. The feeling is there, it's real for them, but 151 00:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.799 there is a solution. Yeah, and so we're there to counsel them through 152 00:11:18.840 --> 00:11:26.440 that feeling and hopefully beyond that. I think fear is particularly and in an 153 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:33.799 important mindset to know about, because fear is often expressed as anger. That's 154 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.679 the second mindset that we're going to talk about, and we do see that 155 00:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.879 all the time. Oh yeah, most of the women are furious with us. 156 00:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.600 Yeah, yeah, I want to mention before we moved to anger, 157 00:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.039 and I think this is probably a good seguey to it, but trying to 158 00:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.559 think in the mindset of fear, what are some of the things going on 159 00:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.639 in a person's life who is under fear, under what I believe the Bible 160 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.159 would call a spirit of fear, because there's fear, there's being afraid and 161 00:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.639 then there's like this spirit of fear and maybe it's a demonic power, and 162 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.799 I think it probably is. That really is irrational, right, and so 163 00:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.679 we think about phobias and things like that's in a rational fear, but what 164 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080 I'm talking about is irrational actions. Right. So you can talk to a 165 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.960 woman added abortion center and, and I know you've experienced this, many of 166 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.600 them are staunchly opposed to abortion. Right, except for their situation. Right, 167 00:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.480 right, and when you break down their situation, it's really no worse 168 00:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.919 than either of the other situations, to fairly common situation. Again, not 169 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:41.120 to minimize the situations for sure, but what's going on there? Like, 170 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.159 they don't agree with abortion, they believe it's wrong, they've been taught that 171 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.399 it's wrong. They would never have an abortion except for this situation. Well, 172 00:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.480 what's going on is a spirit of fear. They're under a spirit of 173 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.080 fear. And the Bible says, and you guys know this, this scripture 174 00:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.080 well, I'm sure, Second Timothy one seven, for God has not given 175 00:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.440 us a spirit of fear, but of power, love and a sound mind. 176 00:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.240 And I we did a podcast about this long time ago. We talked 177 00:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.600 about being under a spirit of fear. But I just want to remind you, 178 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.600 guys. When someone is under a spirit of fear, when they have 179 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.840 a mindset of fear and their mind in their life is kind of introuded in 180 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.840 fear. Power, that's like control of the situation, the ability, power 181 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.440 to do the right thing morally in the situation. Love, that's love for 182 00:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.320 your baby, love for your neighbor, love for others, love for yourself, 183 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759 even love for God, love for God, of course. Yeah, 184 00:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.240 and sound mindedness. Those three things go out the door when you embrace the 185 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.919 spirit of fear, power, love and sound mindedness. Yeah, that's how 186 00:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.440 you can talk to a woman going into the abortion center and she'll tell you 187 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.080 abortion is terrible, it's wrong, and yet she's going to do it and 188 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.000 you're like that's not sound thinking. Right, right. or You can talk 189 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.279 to a woman who, in one instance, is she was going to get 190 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.200 her teeth cleaned at a dentist. Would never go to a dentist that she 191 00:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.519 didn't know the dentist name and know the track record of the dentist. Right, 192 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.960 very, very careful about what she should subjects herself to. And yet 193 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:11.840 if you ask her who, do you know? Who the WHO? The 194 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.279 doctor is going to be at the abortion clinic? No, I have no 195 00:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.200 clues. Like that's not sound that you would subject yourself to a very invasive 196 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.720 procedure in the most vulnerable, vulnerable position a woman could be in, by 197 00:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.799 the way, before a doctor you don't even know their name, their track 198 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.960 record or anything that's not sound. But people will and we've done it before, 199 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.759 right, we've been subjected to a spirit of fear and we've done things 200 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.759 that are in contrast to power, love and sound mindedness. Right, one 201 00:14:41.799 --> 00:14:48.120 of the things I'll often say is you rarely make a good decision from a 202 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.879 fearful position. So try to help them to work through that fear. Absolutely, 203 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.200 move beyond that. But so we ready to move into Agar them. 204 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.399 Okay, so anger is we all all experience it from the women out there, 205 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.240 and while the anger can be coming from many sources, it's it's very 206 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.639 often out of fear. Yeah, they're responding out of fear and the anger 207 00:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.559 is usually not really towards us. Right, where the the safe object to 208 00:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.120 pour that anger out upon? But they're really angry at we've said this so 209 00:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.120 many times, that the boyfriend at the circumstances there in it, or a 210 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.440 God, yeah, God yourself. Yeah, a lot of times it is. 211 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.159 If you if you really dig into the the situation, it really ask 212 00:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.720 questions, you'll find that their anger is is a lot of times with the 213 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.799 Lord, Right. Their anger a lot of times is with themselves, and 214 00:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.720 you just so happened to be a representative of God, the one who they're 215 00:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.840 angry with. That's why, you know, they don't know you from Adam, 216 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.519 as they say. Why would they be angry at you? You know 217 00:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.679 you're standing out there. Maybe. I mean, have had people yelling at 218 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.039 me going into the abortion center and I haven't even opened my mouth yet. 219 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.440 I'm not holding a sign or anything right, and so why are they angry 220 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.919 at me that I haven't even said anything to him? It's because I represent 221 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.320 the one whom they're really angry with, the Lord, and my presence, 222 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.440 your presence out there, is holding up a standard of truth. So they're 223 00:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.600 angry with themselves and they're angry with God and holding up that standard of truth, 224 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.679 because they know why you're there. They know that they shouldn't be there 225 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039 and you represent Ah, the one who they're accountable to. That's why they 226 00:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.200 get angry. Again, it's not sound thinking, right, but it is 227 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.279 the mindset, this angry mindset, that we have to be aware of. 228 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.320 Yeah, and knowing that helps in many in many ways. First of all, 229 00:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.960 it helps you to know it's not personal right, they're not really angry 230 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:51.799 at you, they're angry at a whole host of other things. But secondly, 231 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.000 knowing that is a mindset you're going to encounter and it's not against you 232 00:16:56.039 --> 00:17:02.120 personally. Sometimes you may not be able to make a difference in that anger. 233 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.079 There are some people that beat themselves up thinking they've caused the anger. 234 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.839 You haven't. You haven't caused the anger unless you're purposely doing so. I 235 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.720 mean, I guess there are counselors that will go out there and say things 236 00:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.240 that really do stir up anger. But our desire, that's why we really 237 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.960 counsel or train our counselors, to be gentle in their language, be truthful, 238 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.319 but don't purposely use words that are going to insight anger, because anger 239 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:34.400 is always already there and it this is a real crisis situation and and it's 240 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:40.839 a powder keg where just the littlest thing could really set people off because they're 241 00:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.920 already so angry. So the things will counsel when you encounter anger, a 242 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.599 gentle answer turns away breath. That is, I think, one of the 243 00:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.119 best oh absolutely keep in our mind yeah, yeah, of course, again, 244 00:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.440 understanding this mindsets. They're so not being not being taken off guard. 245 00:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.880 There are people angry, I mean they're there are people that show up to 246 00:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.599 the sidewalk to do ministry, thinking somehow that they're going to be the the 247 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.240 the savior of the world and all these women are going to flock to them 248 00:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.079 and everybody's going to be so happy that they're out there and then they find 249 00:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.559 out very quickly that some people are pretty angry that they're out there. And 250 00:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.079 to be be aware of this mindset of anger, the mindset of fear and 251 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.240 the other mindsets are going to talk about. Don't be offended if people are 252 00:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.880 angry at you because, listen, it's not about you. You're holding up 253 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.920 a standard of truth. And then just don't take it personal. That's probably 254 00:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.640 one of the main things when you encounter this mindset, this angry mindset. 255 00:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.279 Don't take it personal. Yeah, and you know, do what the Bible 256 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.359 says. Soft answer turns away wrath. Be Willing to hear. I mean, 257 00:18:42.400 --> 00:18:48.799 I've had women literally spitting and cussing in my face and I just calm 258 00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.920 down, give it to the Lord. I don't answer and anger back, 259 00:18:52.960 --> 00:18:57.079 and God diffuses the stuff right away. Now I've also responded back in anger 260 00:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.079 to anger and yeah, it doesn't definitely go so well. It does not 261 00:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.960 go well where I have found if you put up your hands, you know, 262 00:19:06.079 --> 00:19:11.880 in a surrender yeah kind of expression and and say we're here offering help 263 00:19:11.880 --> 00:19:17.720 and then start listening how we can help, that often diffuses it. Yeah, 264 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.279 can, because they really they it's hard to be angry with someone who's 265 00:19:21.359 --> 00:19:27.079 offering you wonderful things. Not Every facility and not every Sidebach team is going 266 00:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.200 to have a whole lot of help to offer. Are Outside, of course, 267 00:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.880 the Gospel reding on what kind of mentorship program would what kind of church 268 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.640 back and you have whatever. But if there is help to offer, having 269 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.960 that at the ready, yeah, for them, I think really does go 270 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.920 a long way towards diffusing yeah, anger. Yeah, absolutely. You're always 271 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:55.599 going to encounter, without a doubt, people saying you're here making women feel 272 00:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.799 guilty, right, and so that's the next mindset. Yeah, and I 273 00:19:59.839 --> 00:20:06.240 guarantee we are not there causing the guilt. That is something that they are 274 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:14.920 feeling because honestly, that's natural. They're doing something that's they know everyone knows 275 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.480 in their heart, yeah, that killing their own child is wrong. Right. 276 00:20:18.559 --> 00:20:25.640 Yeah, and so guilty is the natural reaction of a conscience that God 277 00:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.039 has instilled in every one of us to discern right from wrong. Yeah. 278 00:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.799 Yeah. Let me point out to though, this is a common mindset. 279 00:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.039 There's also a mindset, and I don't think you have it on here. 280 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:42.480 Okay, but this is kind of like maybe the the flip side of guilt 281 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.839 is this sort of brazenness, this sort of seared conscience, where they they're 282 00:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.640 feeling nothing. Right, yeah, numbness maybe, or just obstinate is a 283 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.799 mindset. Yeah, and so maybe we'll talk about that a little more. 284 00:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.279 But I do want to talk about guilt in the sense this. I know, 285 00:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.559 especially in our American Christianity, we have this idea and maybe we've been 286 00:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.480 taught this in our churches at somehow guilt is a bad thing, that no 287 00:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.759 one should ever feel shame or guilt. Well, that's not what the Bible 288 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.000 says. Actually, people should feel guilt when they're doing things that they're guilty 289 00:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.720 for. Right when someone schedules now, again, I'm not minimizing circumstances. 290 00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.559 I'm a compassionate person, right I'll try to get in the mindset of these 291 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.880 women and meet them where they're at. But if someone has scheduled an appointment 292 00:21:32.960 --> 00:21:37.599 to murder their own child, they should feel guilty, right. There should 293 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.559 be guilt. Yeah, if someone murders their child through abortion, there should 294 00:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.920 be there is guilt, whether they feel it or not. They're guilty to 295 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.359 God and there should be shame, like you should be ashamed of doing things 296 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.960 like that. But that shame and guilt is intended by God to lead us 297 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.799 to him, the one who can relieve shame and guilt. What happens is 298 00:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.039 the devil kind of flips it on its head and makes that shame and guilt 299 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.359 become condemnation where there's no there's no hope of restoration. I've said it before. 300 00:22:08.680 --> 00:22:18.440 Guilt or conviction is guilt or shame with the hope of restoration. Condemnation 301 00:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.559 is guilt or shame without the hope of restoration. Right, there's always hope 302 00:22:22.640 --> 00:22:29.039 of restoration in God. But I will say a guilty mindset is something that 303 00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.799 you can work with, like you can. You can speak to that and 304 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:34.920 you can speak to especially when you're dealing with a woman that's going into the 305 00:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000 abortion center. It's a little different when they're coming out after they've had the 306 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.720 abortion as they're going in and you encounter a guilty mindset. You can play 307 00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.039 on that and say things like you don't have to feel guilty because you can 308 00:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.160 leave this place, right, and you can ask questions. Okay, if 309 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:55.000 you're feeling guilty, why do you think that is? Yeah, why do 310 00:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.000 you think you're feeling guilt? It's because you know that what you're doing is 311 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.000 wrong, right. Yeah, and so you can, you can, you 312 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.960 can build on that foundation of guilt. Guilt is not a as, not 313 00:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.359 a place that people should stay, right. They should go from guilt to 314 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.359 restoration, and we, who have the Gospel, can lead them there, 315 00:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.119 right, we can lead them to the Lord. Yeah, but the idea 316 00:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.559 that guilt is altogether bad is just a false notion. Yeah, and and 317 00:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.759 guilt shows conflict. So that's why it's such a positive thing if they're admitting 318 00:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.160 that there they are feeling guilty, and I've had them say that I'm feeling 319 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.319 guilty. I don't know why I've had them say that to me before. 320 00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.640 If they're feeling guilt, I'll say that is so wonderful because it shows that 321 00:23:37.680 --> 00:23:44.000 your conscience is open to God's prompting and the holy spirits prompting and and try 322 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.400 to remember a time in your life or times in your life when you don't 323 00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.359 feel guilt. What are those things that you're doing? And they'll describe things 324 00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.200 that are good. Yeah, and you don't feel guilt, and reminding them 325 00:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.559 that that is at which would you prefer to feel? And every everyone would 326 00:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.400 prefer to feel a clear conscience. So so again pointing out the guilt, 327 00:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.000 knowing it's there but that you haven't caused it, and and offering them how 328 00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:17.599 they could avoid continuing down that path of having a guilty conscience before God. 329 00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.880 Yeah, which is by doing the right thing. Something that I think many 330 00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.640 of the women experience, again, almost all of them, is they have 331 00:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.000 been betrayed. They have a sense of betrayal. They've been often betrayed by 332 00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.839 the guy who said he loved them and really was just using them, right, 333 00:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.400 and they have figured that out. Betrayal by parents, by friends, 334 00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:45.559 yea, and they by God. They feel betrayed by God. I've heard 335 00:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.200 them say so many times. God didn't have to let me become pregnant, 336 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.079 he could have stopped it. Yeah, so they feel betrayed because they think 337 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.000 often they think they're good people right, that are not at all responsible for 338 00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:07.400 or they're not claiming responsibility, rightful responsibility for, why they're in the situation 339 00:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.200 that they're in. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's something again, 340 00:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.400 we have to deal with. Yeah, in reality, if you have 341 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.319 sex outside of marriage, you've betrayed the Lord. Right, you've betrayed your 342 00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.759 own conscience that God graciously gave you. But of course, the enemy with 343 00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.920 his lies and the human human are in our flesh. We turn things upside 344 00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.079 down, right, and so this betrayal and that that they've been betrayed by 345 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.680 God is it's a false notion, but to something we have to answer, 346 00:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.279 we have to talk about and in sense that like the way you answer that 347 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.640 is, you know God, that God hasn't betrayed you. God has a 348 00:25:40.640 --> 00:25:42.799 plan for you and for this child. What if it's this child that God 349 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.119 is going to use in your life to turn things right side up? Yeah, 350 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.799 you know. And so we talk about trust and we deal with fear, 351 00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.039 we deal with guilt, we bring it to trust, trust the Lord. 352 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.720 Yeah, yeah, and talking about betrayal from family members and things like 353 00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.319 that, obviously when we're talking about, you know, about the resources and 354 00:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.880 the things that we have, you've got parents who, in all intents and 355 00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.920 purposes, that's to support people that are supposed to be there for her. 356 00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.079 When she gets in a difficult situation, ie. An unplanned pregnancy, like 357 00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.880 those people should be there, but they betray her and that that is really 358 00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.759 a betrayal. When a when when parents tell their kid, you can't live 359 00:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.359 in our house because you're pregnant, that is a betrayal. It knows, 360 00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.319 I'm not going to point the finger at all parents that do that. Maybe 361 00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.200 there's some reasons for that or whatever, but for the most part that's a 362 00:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.200 betrayal. And so how do we answer that? How do we counteract that? 363 00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.759 Well, we share resources. If you've been kicked out, we're not 364 00:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.759 here to betray you, we're here to help you. We're here to try 365 00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.119 to step in where those support people have been kind of pulled out from under 366 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.839 you. Yeah, and here's some resources, here's a housing ministry. I 367 00:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.680 think just recently you took a young lady to a housing ministry, to a 368 00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.880 resource that could help her in a situation like that. So ss to trail 369 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.559 in her life and was currently living in a with a guy who had betrayed 370 00:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.759 her, and they'll often get try eyed and say yes, and but, 371 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.400 and then I'll say, well, you know, a parent, just what 372 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.480 you were saying, Daniel. A parent, or you know, a loved 373 00:27:15.519 --> 00:27:22.920 one, is supposed to protect and and show self less behavior towards the person 374 00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.039 that they claim to love or that should be loved, the One Who protects 375 00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.200 and loves them. Well, what about a mother? Yeah, towards her 376 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.799 child. Think about what that child is in a place that God perfectly designed 377 00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:41.680 to be a place of protection, and a mother's really natural instinct is given 378 00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.960 by God to protect and nurture that child in the womb. Look at what's 379 00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:52.359 about to happen here. That is a indeed at betrayal. Yeah, if 380 00:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.039 you towards an innocent, vulnerable human being, you see how betrayal leads to 381 00:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.599 such a terrible and do you want to be a part of that right? 382 00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.480 Yeah, yeah, and I think, I mean, there's a lot more 383 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:12.519 to this article, but I think we'll end with this last point. Okay, 384 00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.000 and maybe I'll give some maybe some closing thoughts about the mindsets and things. 385 00:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.880 Just some things. Are you guys to be thinking about. But one 386 00:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.279 of the mind sets that we do have to deal with, you have listed 387 00:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.559 in this article, is feeling overwhelmed. Yeah, can we have to understand 388 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.599 that a lot of these women, the world has fallen down around them. 389 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.119 Right there. Support people are support network has betrayed them. They're under a 390 00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.720 spirit of fear, they're young, they don't know where to turn, what 391 00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.480 to do. They got on Google and the first thing that popped up was 392 00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.960 a preferred woman's help center, a plan parenthood will solve all your problems. 393 00:28:47.079 --> 00:28:52.960 Right. They've just they've just been overwhelmed with the circumstance. For many of 394 00:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.839 the women, it's like it's not one big thing, it's a bunch of 395 00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.599 little things in their life that is kind of stacked against them. Now I 396 00:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.400 have seen over the years as I've talked to women and men at the abortion 397 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.839 centers, is typically there's like one thing that's a straw that broke the camels 398 00:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.400 back, but it's a bunch of little things that really brought them to the 399 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.559 place where they thought that killing their child was a solution to their to their 400 00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.559 issues, you know. And so we have to understand that feeling overwhelmed. 401 00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.559 Now, how do we counteract that feeling overwhelmed. It kind of it's kind 402 00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.279 of in the same vein of fear and some of the other things we talked 403 00:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.400 about. I think you have to and I think I know you have to, 404 00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.200 bring God into the equation. Yes, you have to encourage them to 405 00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.920 put their trust in him because, even though they might be overwhelmed, God, 406 00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.880 if he's with them in this, he can help sort through all the 407 00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.720 mess. And, on top of that, the church people who are going 408 00:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.599 to stand with her and sort through this mess with her. Having mentors, 409 00:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.920 having churches that will surround them with help and resources is really helpful to help 410 00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.440 them get out of that overwhelmed sort of mindset. Yeah, and so just 411 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.000 in wrapping up, I don't know if you have anything to add to that. 412 00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.000 No, I think we do need to kind of wrap it up. 413 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.319 I think we've made a lot of really good points and and you can go 414 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.680 to the article and really red for more detail, but I want to hear 415 00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.680 your yes, I was just wanting to speak to how you started a lady 416 00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359 who had actually come to our boot camp, Michelle. She came to our 417 00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.079 boot camp a couple of months ago and she's from Colorado area. Had reached 418 00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.880 out. She reaches out at an abortion center where they do only late term 419 00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.880 abortions. Just kind of a rare thing. It's kind of rare thing to 420 00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.599 have an abortion facility that does late term abortions, but to have one that 421 00:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.400 only does late term abortions, obviously they specialize in that. Pretty well known 422 00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.799 abortionist. I forget the abortionist name her and I think so. Yeah, 423 00:30:49.839 --> 00:30:55.519 and so she asked, you know, is is there any is there any 424 00:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.480 difference in reaching out at a late term abortion facility as opposed to one that 425 00:31:00.519 --> 00:31:06.480 does abortions through, you know, all mostly early trimester abortions, right, 426 00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.759 which is where most of the abortion centers, or how far along most of 427 00:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.759 the abortion centers, do the abortions at? And I started thinking, as 428 00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.720 I was looking at her email about the mindset of a woman who's got a 429 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.200 late term pregnancy going to an abortion center, like, is the mindset any 430 00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.000 different? In reality, there are some some things that are similar, right, 431 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.799 like the fear factor that's there. It's just are probably there. They 432 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.920 all though all of those things are quite likely there. Yeah, but there 433 00:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.880 is a difference, I think, a pretty significant difference that we need to 434 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.279 consider, and I'm just putting this out there for you guys consideration, not 435 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.680 just to help Michelle understand this thing, because we answer heard an email, 436 00:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.279 but to get you guys to be thinking. Are there's some scenarios and some 437 00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.400 things that are different about the abortion facility that I reach out at that I 438 00:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.640 can kind of be thinking in the mindset of people that are coming. You 439 00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.960 know, let's say, for example, I'm just throwing this out there, 440 00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:02.240 maybe you're your Bor abortion facility is in a very affluent neighborhood or area where 441 00:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.440 the vast majority the people that are coming in are not driving beat up clunkers 442 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.400 like what we see here at latrobe. Well, if they're driving really nice 443 00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.799 cards, right, there's kind of a different mindset. They're not really going 444 00:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.559 to need resources, right. You want to talk about resources and alternatives and 445 00:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.799 stuff, but you're probably not going to major on that because if somebody rolls 446 00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.039 in in a Mercedes bends that's brand new and, you know, cost more 447 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.759 than your house or whatever, you probably not going to be saying, Hey, 448 00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.880 we have held before you, not the man dish right issue. Right. 449 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.480 So that's a mindset thing. Yeah, and is it pertains some people 450 00:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.640 that are further along in pregnancy coming and having abortions. Like we always say, 451 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.119 nobody gets up in the morning saying says, Hey, it's a good 452 00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.440 day for an abortion, right, but for these women, certainly it's. 453 00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.319 This is not something that just happened in one day. Right. Most of 454 00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.880 the women that have a late term abortion have a late term abortion because of 455 00:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.000 fetal abnormalities. They've been told something is wrong with their baby, heart defect, 456 00:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.599 spin a Bifita, some other Tristunomi, thirteen down syndrome, maybe there's 457 00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.559 some issue with the baby. Now, none of that justifies abortion. We 458 00:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.440 know that. We understand that. You don't kill a baby to save a 459 00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.640 baby. That's ridiculous, right. It's at mindset of fear, I'm going 460 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.440 to kill my baby. And what I told Michelle is for a lot of 461 00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.240 these people it's like a mercy kill. It's like, instead of that baby 462 00:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.960 living a horrible life or instead of that baby being born and then dying, 463 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.799 you know, hours later, which can happen, sure, let's go ahead 464 00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.559 and kill that baby inside of the women. It's it's selfish, it's ridiculous, 465 00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.359 but it's a mindset that we need to understand. Often Times those women 466 00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:44.440 have had multiple ultra sounds. If you're further along and pregnancy and you're coming 467 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.640 for an abortion, they've been multiple ultrasounds. There's there's no, there's no 468 00:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.200 longer that lie, that it's a blob of tissue or clump of cells. 469 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.960 They've seen it, they've seen some of the fetal abnormalities and that's how they've 470 00:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.640 justified the abortion. Again, none of that stuff justifies abortion. None of 471 00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.480 that stuff minimizes what they're doing. And are there people that have late term 472 00:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.760 abortions that do it because of other issues rather than fetal abnormalities or whatever? 473 00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.599 Certainly I'm sure there are. The vast majority are in that situation, and 474 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.079 so we need to be thinking in that mindset. We need to be talking 475 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.400 in that mindset. We talk about the humanity of the baby. I think 476 00:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.000 we definitely need to talk about their accountability to God, that that still a 477 00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.159 baby, that's still a precious child made in his image, even though he 478 00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.039 or she has some birth defects or some issues going on. That child is 479 00:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.559 still a human being and you're still accountable to God. I think you can 480 00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.119 do that very graciously and we need to be very careful because they're going through 481 00:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.159 probably one of the most difficult seasons of their life. Right. So we 482 00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.920 have to be very intentional with our tone, very intentional with the words that 483 00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.599 we say, but also very intention about speaking the truth, because the babies 484 00:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.599 that are killed on a late term abortion facility are just as valuable as the 485 00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.079 in the sight of God as the babies that are killed in early trimester abortions, 486 00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.480 and vice versa. Right, these are human beings and it's wrong to 487 00:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.239 kill human beings because human beings are made in the image of God. Right 488 00:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.559 now, I did read that there was another common reason for a late term 489 00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519 abortion, which is the health of the mother. Yeah, that's sometimes it's 490 00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.119 not discovered till later on in the PRESNENCY, but it's operating from that same 491 00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.880 spirit of fear and it it's again taken kind of God's job into our own 492 00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.800 hands. Yeah, yeah, and so just some things for you guys to 493 00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.199 consider, some mindsets for you guys to consider, and I would say put 494 00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.119 all of this to serious prayer and ask the Lord God help me to get 495 00:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.079 in the mindset of the people that I'm ministering to right and got will help 496 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.559 you to do that. You will. So, guys, we appreciate you 497 00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.039 listening to this podcast. 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