Understanding the Mindset of Women Who Have Abortions

WEBVTT100:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.680But you can also turn that aroundto help make your case, because I200:00:04.040 --> 00:00:09.039will often first of all sympathize.I think you feel betrayed by this guy300:00:09.080 --> 00:00:14.279who who said he loved you andthen is like pain for you to kill400:00:14.320 --> 00:00:20.120your baby. I Am Yours,I am yours, I am yours.500:00:20.440 --> 00:00:26.280And Me, Lord, I amyours, I am yours. I'm welcome600:00:26.320 --> 00:00:31.679to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage700:00:31.800 --> 00:00:35.600and challenge you in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the800:00:35.600 --> 00:00:46.920Gospel. Stay tuned. I feltshow passish, touch your heart, use900:00:47.079 --> 00:00:53.799me love. Welcome back to theGospel centered pro life podcast. I'm Daniel1000:00:53.840 --> 00:00:58.840Park's the West Coast Regional Shepherd forlove life. That's my current role,1100:00:59.359 --> 00:01:03.879but really have a heart for thesidewalk ministry, and with me is Vicky1200:01:03.959 --> 00:01:08.319Kessi York, who serves as alove life missionary here in Charlotte, North1300:01:08.359 --> 00:01:14.159Carolina. Both of us have beendoing sidewalk outreach ministry at local abortion centers1400:01:14.799 --> 00:01:19.040combined. How many years? Vicky? Almost twenty, I think. Okay,1500:01:19.120 --> 00:01:23.239now more than that. Twenty five. Yeah, you're fifteen, I'm1600:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.519almost ten years. So we've beenout there a while between the two of1700:01:26.599 --> 00:01:30.439us. Yeah, yeah, sowe've learned a lot, supposedly we should1800:01:30.480 --> 00:01:34.120have. Yeah, we've made alot of mistakes right, and we've seen1900:01:34.200 --> 00:01:38.760the Lord very graciously use us tohelp save babies and bring moms and dad's2000:01:38.760 --> 00:01:44.159to the knowledge of Jesus. Andso we think that for those that are2100:01:44.200 --> 00:01:47.359listening, we can add some valueto what you're doing in your outreach ministry2200:01:47.400 --> 00:01:52.120at local abortion centers, and sothat's what we do with these podcasts.2300:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.120We try to encourage you, wetry to challenge you, and so this2400:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.439episode we're going to seek to dothat. So what are we going to2500:02:00.480 --> 00:02:05.079talk about in this episode? Well, one of the most important things really2600:02:05.480 --> 00:02:08.000that I think we all should beaware of when we're in front of different2700:02:08.039 --> 00:02:14.719abortion centers, and that's what isthe mindset of the women who are going2800:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.120in, because that's going to affecthow and what we call out if we2900:02:19.159 --> 00:02:24.800can get in to the mindset ofthe women. So this actually did come3000:02:24.879 --> 00:02:31.199up a little bit recently when someonesent both of us some information about an3100:02:31.199 --> 00:02:37.759abortion center that was a late termabortion center and she said how should I3200:02:37.759 --> 00:02:40.120speak to them? Would it bedifferent? And I was just thinking,3300:02:40.199 --> 00:02:46.879Hey, we would always still callout the three talk key talking points.3400:02:46.919 --> 00:02:49.879But then, Daniel, you broughtup, I think, a really important3500:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.439point. The mindset of a womanin a late term abortion is probably going3600:02:53.479 --> 00:02:57.759to be a little bit different.Yeah, maybe a lot different from the3700:02:57.800 --> 00:03:02.360mindset of women in a first trimester. Yeah, abortion. And so,3800:03:02.479 --> 00:03:08.599knowing that, I think we couldincrease our effectiveness if we can somehow figure3900:03:08.599 --> 00:03:14.360out what's going through their hearts,in their head. Yeah, of course,4000:03:14.400 --> 00:03:16.840with any scenario, and you justkind of brought up a different scenario.4100:03:16.919 --> 00:03:21.039But yeah, there's a different mindsetand the people you're going to be4200:03:21.039 --> 00:03:23.639reaching out to, depending on thearea of the country that you're in,4300:03:23.680 --> 00:03:25.400there can be different mindset. Yeah, things like that. There's a lot4400:03:25.400 --> 00:03:30.520of stuff to consider. Yeah,and the best we can do to get4500:03:30.520 --> 00:03:35.560in the mindset of someone else,especially, you know, I'm a guy,4600:03:35.639 --> 00:03:38.680Dylan, mainly with women going intothe abortion center. Right, sometimes4700:03:38.680 --> 00:03:39.919we reach out to the man,but we're trying to reach the women.4800:03:40.000 --> 00:03:45.560Right, it's really hard for meto get in that mindset. But even4900:03:45.599 --> 00:03:47.080if I was able to, thebest I could do is just kind of5000:03:47.120 --> 00:03:52.639get a general idea of the mindset. Yeah, there's a course and understanding5100:03:52.680 --> 00:03:55.960that everyone is different. Everyone's circumstances, the women that are going in,5200:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000the men that are going into theabortion center, their circumstances are different.5300:04:00.439 --> 00:04:04.879Everybody's kind of upbringing is different.So there's a lot of mindsets that can5400:04:04.919 --> 00:04:11.240be going on simultaneously at the sameplace, in the same moment. But5500:04:11.280 --> 00:04:15.319we have to do the best wecan to get a general idea of the5600:04:15.360 --> 00:04:18.439mindset of the women that were reachingout the abortion senters. Right, and5700:04:18.480 --> 00:04:25.279I think that in developing this articlewe're drawing on our experience. There are5800:04:25.279 --> 00:04:30.199maybe five or six main things thatwe always see. Yeah, and and5900:04:30.240 --> 00:04:35.720those were the things that we wantedto focus on, because some people may6000:04:35.759 --> 00:04:42.199think that, for example, sayingOh, congratulations, you must be so6100:04:42.279 --> 00:04:46.120thrilled your pregnant. Well, that'snot getting into the mindset of the mom6200:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.319and that can be very kind productive. Yeah, so anyway, so that's6300:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.240why we wrote this article and aredoing this podcast. Is you think it's6400:04:55.279 --> 00:04:59.639valuable to be able to speak tothe women with a sense of what they're6500:04:59.680 --> 00:05:04.000feeling? Yeah, where they're comingfrom. Again, we're generalizing of necessity.6600:05:04.000 --> 00:05:10.519Would would that touch someone? Congratulations, you know, your pregnant,6700:05:10.639 --> 00:05:13.759congratulations your mom going into the abortions. That I could that touch someone?6800:05:13.839 --> 00:05:16.639Could that be what and what theyneed to hear? I could probably not.6900:05:16.680 --> 00:05:20.439Gonna yeah, but again, thebest that we can do is speak7000:05:20.480 --> 00:05:27.879as general and as specific as possible, and I think in this podcast what7100:05:27.920 --> 00:05:31.560we want to encourage you guys todo is to be thinking and praying through7200:05:31.639 --> 00:05:35.600Lord. What is the mindset ofthe women that I'm encountering at the Abortion7300:05:35.639 --> 00:05:40.480Center? Yeah, help help me, Lord, to get into that mindset7400:05:40.519 --> 00:05:44.279so that I know the things thatI could say, in the moments that7500:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.680I say them that would really touchthat woman's heart. Yeah. Yeah,7600:05:47.720 --> 00:05:55.000and I think one of the mostpredominant emotions that I see and that I7700:05:55.000 --> 00:05:59.279hear when I speak to the womenwho do stop and talk with with me,7800:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.399is beer. Yeah, they're afraid. Right there. This was completely7900:06:02.439 --> 00:06:10.360unplanned in a well, really everycase, almost every case, they they're8000:06:10.439 --> 00:06:15.079usually in pretty awful circumstances. Rightthey're looking not at the precious life of8100:06:15.120 --> 00:06:21.000that child really at all. That'sreally not entering their head. What is8200:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.800entering their head is, I can'tdo this. Look at all the struggles8300:06:25.800 --> 00:06:29.279in front of me, what amI going to do? In the case8400:06:29.360 --> 00:06:34.279of young kids or teenagers who arepregnant, they're thinking, my mom's going8500:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.000to kill me. Yeah, I'mgoing to get kicked out of the house8600:06:38.040 --> 00:06:40.839where she's literally going to kill me. Now, hear that a lot.8700:06:40.920 --> 00:06:44.160Yeah, from a teenage or,you know, my friends are think less8800:06:44.199 --> 00:06:46.639of me. Or right, right, whatever the scenario might be, they8900:06:46.800 --> 00:06:53.079just can't go to school. Myboyfriend's going to leave me. He's not9000:06:53.199 --> 00:06:57.600at all ready for a baby.Yeah, there's a lot of fear that9100:06:57.759 --> 00:07:01.040surrounds an unplanned pregnancy. Yeah,no doubt about it. Yeah, and9200:07:01.399 --> 00:07:03.680you know, we have to understandthat. We have to do the best9300:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.800we can to get in that mindset, not that we ourselves want to be9400:07:06.879 --> 00:07:11.560afraid, although we know that we'vedealt with fears before. Yeah, I9500:07:11.600 --> 00:07:15.839want to try to get in themindset of someone in this scenario who's afraid,9600:07:15.959 --> 00:07:18.120who doesn't want to tell their parents, who doesn't want to be found9700:07:18.120 --> 00:07:24.199out that they're pregnant. Getting intothis mindset. Understanding this mindset does not9800:07:24.319 --> 00:07:27.639justify the thinking. So I justwant to make sure that's clear. That's9900:07:27.639 --> 00:07:32.000a good point. These mindsets alot of times are sinful mindsets. Yeah,10000:07:32.600 --> 00:07:40.240they're not mindsets that are surrounded byfaith and trust in God. And10100:07:40.360 --> 00:07:43.879whether they're sinful or not, they'rejust not the correct mindsets to have.10200:07:44.920 --> 00:07:47.639US trying to get into those monthstsand understand those mindsets. Does not justify10300:07:47.680 --> 00:07:51.600them, right, any mindset thatwould lead someone to kill another person.10400:07:51.680 --> 00:07:56.600Yeah, we should not justify thatmindset. Right, it's not a good10500:07:56.639 --> 00:08:00.920mindset, right, but it wouldhelp us to understand that mindset so that10600:08:01.040 --> 00:08:05.000we can give some answers and wecould ask some questions that would help change10700:08:05.040 --> 00:08:09.560the mindset. That's ultimately the intentionbehind looking at these monsets. Want to10800:08:09.560 --> 00:08:15.000see those mindsets change. Identify themindset. I think sometimes if if you10900:08:15.160 --> 00:08:22.079can say I know you're afraid,that instantly makes them feel okay, they're11000:08:22.160 --> 00:08:26.399understood because I guarantee they're afraid.There is a level of fear of some11100:08:26.519 --> 00:08:31.759sort in those women, and soidentifying it first, I know you're afraid,11200:08:31.959 --> 00:08:37.279but God is a God who canhelp you to overcome fear. And11300:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.759then maybe, like the example thatwe use in the article is that I11400:08:41.799 --> 00:08:43.559had read somewhere. I don't knowif this is true, but that the11500:08:43.600 --> 00:08:50.320word the phrase do not fear isin the Bible three hundred sixty five times,11600:08:50.320 --> 00:08:52.240which interesting, one for every dayof the year. Yeah, but11700:08:52.320 --> 00:08:56.759you know, you think of themost famous in air quotes unplanned pregnancy in11800:08:56.799 --> 00:09:00.720the Bible is, of course,Mary with baby. G Says Yeah,11900:09:00.759 --> 00:09:03.720and the angel appears to her andone of the first things he says is12000:09:03.759 --> 00:09:07.120do not fear. Yeah, thatis a powerful message for us to be12100:09:07.240 --> 00:09:13.200mind the women of. God tellsus over and over again in the Bible,12200:09:13.240 --> 00:09:18.080and he's telling people when they're invery heart circumstances. What does he12300:09:18.200 --> 00:09:22.320say? Do not fear. Yeah. So I think if we can identify12400:09:22.519 --> 00:09:28.879you are afraid and God is aGod who tells us over and over again12500:09:28.919 --> 00:09:33.080don't be afraid because he does havethe answer. Yeah, I think that12600:09:33.240 --> 00:09:39.600is instantly a really valuable message.Yeah, the women to hear. Yeah,12700:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.600yeah, no doubt. And thiskind of goes back to trying to12800:09:43.679 --> 00:09:46.799understand this mindset of fear and theother mindsets we're going to talk about and12900:09:46.840 --> 00:09:52.000try to enter into that mindset rightagain, not embracing or validating, but13000:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.879entering in for the sake of beingable to reach the women that were reaching13100:09:54.879 --> 00:09:58.360out to speaks to that whole componentI'll talk about in some of our trainings13200:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.320of compassion, right, suffering withthem. That's what the word compassion means.13300:10:03.399 --> 00:10:07.279The word passion means suffering and theword calm is with and so to13400:10:07.320 --> 00:10:11.679have compassion is to suffer with them. You can, you can more easily13500:10:11.720 --> 00:10:16.240suffer with someone, like enter intotheir suffering, the pain that they're feeling13600:10:16.320 --> 00:10:20.200in their heart with them, ifyou can get into that mindset. And13700:10:20.279 --> 00:10:22.240for some of us it's not it'snot that hard to do, right.13800:10:22.320 --> 00:10:28.720We can remember back when we hadunplanned pregnancy, plan pregnancy situation, or13900:10:28.720 --> 00:10:31.720some that have had abortions. Canhave compassion. You can enter into the14000:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.879mindset of a woman that has hadan abortion or that is having going to14100:10:35.879 --> 00:10:37.720have an abortion, because you've beenthere, right yeah, so you can14200:10:37.759 --> 00:10:41.840remember back again, you're not validatingthe way that you were thinking back then,14300:10:41.879 --> 00:10:46.039but you're trying to enter into thatmindset and think, okay, in14400:10:46.080 --> 00:10:48.440those days when I was considering abortion, what were some of the things that14500:10:48.600 --> 00:10:52.080someone could have said to me thatwould change my mindset? Right? So14600:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.159that's that's what we're talking about,right yeah, and just being able to14700:10:56.159 --> 00:11:00.279relate, like you said, thatshowing that compassions for relating with them.14800:11:00.360 --> 00:11:03.279I remember when I was in anunplanned pregnancy and I saw that pink line.14900:11:03.360 --> 00:11:09.320I was terrified. Yeah, andso they're not alone. The feeling15000:11:09.480 --> 00:11:15.559is not invalidated. The feeling isthere, it's real for them, but15100:11:15.600 --> 00:11:18.799there is a solution. Yeah,and so we're there to counsel them through15200:11:18.840 --> 00:11:26.440that feeling and hopefully beyond that.I think fear is particularly and in an15300:11:26.440 --> 00:11:33.799important mindset to know about, becausefear is often expressed as anger. That's15400:11:33.919 --> 00:11:37.679the second mindset that we're going totalk about, and we do see that15500:11:39.000 --> 00:11:43.879all the time. Oh yeah,most of the women are furious with us.15600:11:45.159 --> 00:11:48.600Yeah, yeah, I want tomention before we moved to anger,15700:11:48.679 --> 00:11:52.039and I think this is probably agood seguey to it, but trying to15800:11:52.080 --> 00:11:54.559think in the mindset of fear,what are some of the things going on15900:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.639in a person's life who is underfear, under what I believe the Bible16000:12:00.679 --> 00:12:03.159would call a spirit of fear,because there's fear, there's being afraid and16100:12:03.200 --> 00:12:09.639then there's like this spirit of fearand maybe it's a demonic power, and16200:12:09.679 --> 00:12:13.799I think it probably is. Thatreally is irrational, right, and so16300:12:13.879 --> 00:12:16.679we think about phobias and things likethat's in a rational fear, but what16400:12:16.720 --> 00:12:20.080I'm talking about is irrational actions.Right. So you can talk to a16500:12:20.120 --> 00:12:24.960woman added abortion center and, andI know you've experienced this, many of16600:12:24.000 --> 00:12:28.600them are staunchly opposed to abortion.Right, except for their situation. Right,16700:12:28.679 --> 00:12:33.480right, and when you break downtheir situation, it's really no worse16800:12:33.799 --> 00:12:35.919than either of the other situations,to fairly common situation. Again, not16900:12:35.960 --> 00:12:41.120to minimize the situations for sure,but what's going on there? Like,17000:12:41.840 --> 00:12:45.159they don't agree with abortion, theybelieve it's wrong, they've been taught that17100:12:45.200 --> 00:12:48.399it's wrong. They would never havean abortion except for this situation. Well,17200:12:48.399 --> 00:12:50.480what's going on is a spirit offear. They're under a spirit of17300:12:50.480 --> 00:12:54.080fear. And the Bible says,and you guys know this, this scripture17400:12:54.120 --> 00:12:58.080well, I'm sure, Second Timothyone seven, for God has not given17500:12:58.159 --> 00:13:03.440us a spirit of fear, butof power, love and a sound mind.17600:13:03.720 --> 00:13:07.240And I we did a podcast aboutthis long time ago. We talked17700:13:07.240 --> 00:13:09.600about being under a spirit of fear. But I just want to remind you,17800:13:09.639 --> 00:13:11.600guys. When someone is under aspirit of fear, when they have17900:13:11.639 --> 00:13:16.840a mindset of fear and their mindin their life is kind of introuded in18000:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.840fear. Power, that's like controlof the situation, the ability, power18100:13:20.879 --> 00:13:28.440to do the right thing morally inthe situation. Love, that's love for18200:13:28.879 --> 00:13:31.320your baby, love for your neighbor, love for others, love for yourself,18300:13:31.399 --> 00:13:35.759even love for God, love forGod, of course. Yeah,18400:13:35.799 --> 00:13:39.240and sound mindedness. Those three thingsgo out the door when you embrace the18500:13:39.279 --> 00:13:43.919spirit of fear, power, loveand sound mindedness. Yeah, that's how18600:13:43.960 --> 00:13:46.440you can talk to a woman goinginto the abortion center and she'll tell you18700:13:46.480 --> 00:13:50.080abortion is terrible, it's wrong,and yet she's going to do it and18800:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.000you're like that's not sound thinking.Right, right. or You can talk18900:13:54.039 --> 00:13:58.279to a woman who, in oneinstance, is she was going to get19000:13:58.320 --> 00:14:03.200her teeth cleaned at a dentist.Would never go to a dentist that she19100:14:03.200 --> 00:14:05.519didn't know the dentist name and knowthe track record of the dentist. Right,19200:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.960very, very careful about what sheshould subjects herself to. And yet19300:14:11.000 --> 00:14:11.840if you ask her who, doyou know? Who the WHO? The19400:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.279doctor is going to be at theabortion clinic? No, I have no19500:14:15.360 --> 00:14:20.200clues. Like that's not sound thatyou would subject yourself to a very invasive19600:14:20.279 --> 00:14:24.720procedure in the most vulnerable, vulnerableposition a woman could be in, by19700:14:24.759 --> 00:14:28.799the way, before a doctor youdon't even know their name, their track19800:14:28.879 --> 00:14:33.960record or anything that's not sound.But people will and we've done it before,19900:14:33.120 --> 00:14:37.759right, we've been subjected to aspirit of fear and we've done things20000:14:37.759 --> 00:14:41.759that are in contrast to power,love and sound mindedness. Right, one20100:14:41.799 --> 00:14:48.120of the things I'll often say isyou rarely make a good decision from a20200:14:48.279 --> 00:14:56.879fearful position. So try to helpthem to work through that fear. Absolutely,20300:14:56.879 --> 00:15:00.200move beyond that. But so weready to move into Agar them.20400:15:01.200 --> 00:15:05.399Okay, so anger is we allall experience it from the women out there,20500:15:05.440 --> 00:15:11.240and while the anger can be comingfrom many sources, it's it's very20600:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.639often out of fear. Yeah,they're responding out of fear and the anger20700:15:15.720 --> 00:15:20.559is usually not really towards us.Right, where the the safe object to20800:15:20.559 --> 00:15:24.120pour that anger out upon? Butthey're really angry at we've said this so20900:15:24.159 --> 00:15:26.120many times, that the boyfriend atthe circumstances there in it, or a21000:15:26.200 --> 00:15:30.440God, yeah, God yourself.Yeah, a lot of times it is.21100:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.159If you if you really dig intothe the situation, it really ask21200:15:33.480 --> 00:15:39.720questions, you'll find that their angeris is a lot of times with the21300:15:39.799 --> 00:15:45.799Lord, Right. Their anger alot of times is with themselves, and21400:15:45.879 --> 00:15:48.720you just so happened to be arepresentative of God, the one who they're21500:15:48.720 --> 00:15:52.840angry with. That's why, youknow, they don't know you from Adam,21600:15:52.840 --> 00:15:56.519as they say. Why would theybe angry at you? You know21700:15:56.600 --> 00:15:58.679you're standing out there. Maybe.I mean, have had people yelling at21800:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.039me going into the abortion center andI haven't even opened my mouth yet.21900:16:03.080 --> 00:16:07.440I'm not holding a sign or anythingright, and so why are they angry22000:16:07.440 --> 00:16:10.919at me that I haven't even saidanything to him? It's because I represent22100:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.320the one whom they're really angry with, the Lord, and my presence,22200:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.440your presence out there, is holdingup a standard of truth. So they're22300:16:18.480 --> 00:16:22.600angry with themselves and they're angry withGod and holding up that standard of truth,22400:16:22.679 --> 00:16:27.679because they know why you're there.They know that they shouldn't be there22500:16:27.720 --> 00:16:32.039and you represent Ah, the onewho they're accountable to. That's why they22600:16:32.120 --> 00:16:36.200get angry. Again, it's notsound thinking, right, but it is22700:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.279the mindset, this angry mindset,that we have to be aware of.22800:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.320Yeah, and knowing that helps inmany in many ways. First of all,22900:16:42.360 --> 00:16:45.960it helps you to know it's notpersonal right, they're not really angry23000:16:45.960 --> 00:16:51.799at you, they're angry at awhole host of other things. But secondly,23100:16:52.120 --> 00:16:56.000knowing that is a mindset you're goingto encounter and it's not against you23200:16:56.039 --> 00:17:02.120personally. Sometimes you may not beable to make a difference in that anger.23300:17:02.240 --> 00:17:06.079There are some people that beat themselvesup thinking they've caused the anger.23400:17:06.279 --> 00:17:10.839You haven't. You haven't caused theanger unless you're purposely doing so. I23500:17:10.880 --> 00:17:12.720mean, I guess there are counselorsthat will go out there and say things23600:17:12.799 --> 00:17:18.240that really do stir up anger.But our desire, that's why we really23700:17:18.319 --> 00:17:23.960counsel or train our counselors, tobe gentle in their language, be truthful,23800:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.319but don't purposely use words that aregoing to insight anger, because anger23900:17:29.400 --> 00:17:34.400is always already there and it thisis a real crisis situation and and it's24000:17:34.440 --> 00:17:40.839a powder keg where just the littlestthing could really set people off because they're24100:17:40.880 --> 00:17:45.920already so angry. So the thingswill counsel when you encounter anger, a24200:17:45.960 --> 00:17:48.599gentle answer turns away breath. Thatis, I think, one of the24300:17:48.640 --> 00:17:52.119best oh absolutely keep in our mindyeah, yeah, of course, again,24400:17:52.200 --> 00:17:56.440understanding this mindsets. They're so notbeing not being taken off guard.24500:17:56.599 --> 00:18:00.880There are people angry, I meanthey're there are people that show up to24600:18:00.920 --> 00:18:04.599the sidewalk to do ministry, thinkingsomehow that they're going to be the the24700:18:04.599 --> 00:18:07.240the savior of the world and allthese women are going to flock to them24800:18:07.240 --> 00:18:11.079and everybody's going to be so happythat they're out there and then they find24900:18:11.160 --> 00:18:15.559out very quickly that some people arepretty angry that they're out there. And25000:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.079to be be aware of this mindsetof anger, the mindset of fear and25100:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.240the other mindsets are going to talkabout. Don't be offended if people are25200:18:22.279 --> 00:18:25.880angry at you because, listen,it's not about you. You're holding up25300:18:25.880 --> 00:18:30.920a standard of truth. And thenjust don't take it personal. That's probably25400:18:30.960 --> 00:18:34.640one of the main things when youencounter this mindset, this angry mindset.25500:18:34.839 --> 00:18:40.279Don't take it personal. Yeah,and you know, do what the Bible25600:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.359says. Soft answer turns away wrath. Be Willing to hear. I mean,25700:18:42.400 --> 00:18:48.799I've had women literally spitting and cussingin my face and I just calm25800:18:48.880 --> 00:18:52.920down, give it to the Lord. I don't answer and anger back,25900:18:52.960 --> 00:18:57.079and God diffuses the stuff right away. Now I've also responded back in anger26000:18:57.079 --> 00:19:03.079to anger and yeah, it doesn'tdefinitely go so well. It does not26100:19:03.119 --> 00:19:04.960go well where I have found ifyou put up your hands, you know,26200:19:06.079 --> 00:19:11.880in a surrender yeah kind of expressionand and say we're here offering help26300:19:11.880 --> 00:19:17.720and then start listening how we canhelp, that often diffuses it. Yeah,26400:19:17.759 --> 00:19:21.279can, because they really they it'shard to be angry with someone who's26500:19:21.359 --> 00:19:27.079offering you wonderful things. Not Everyfacility and not every Sidebach team is going26600:19:27.119 --> 00:19:30.200to have a whole lot of helpto offer. Are Outside, of course,26700:19:30.319 --> 00:19:34.880the Gospel reding on what kind ofmentorship program would what kind of church26800:19:34.920 --> 00:19:38.640back and you have whatever. Butif there is help to offer, having26900:19:38.680 --> 00:19:42.960that at the ready, yeah,for them, I think really does go27000:19:44.000 --> 00:19:48.920a long way towards diffusing yeah,anger. Yeah, absolutely. You're always27100:19:48.920 --> 00:19:55.599going to encounter, without a doubt, people saying you're here making women feel27200:19:55.640 --> 00:19:59.799guilty, right, and so that'sthe next mindset. Yeah, and I27300:19:59.839 --> 00:20:06.240guarantee we are not there causing theguilt. That is something that they are27400:20:06.240 --> 00:20:14.920feeling because honestly, that's natural.They're doing something that's they know everyone knows27500:20:14.960 --> 00:20:18.480in their heart, yeah, thatkilling their own child is wrong. Right.27600:20:18.559 --> 00:20:25.640Yeah, and so guilty is thenatural reaction of a conscience that God27700:20:25.680 --> 00:20:29.039has instilled in every one of usto discern right from wrong. Yeah.27800:20:29.279 --> 00:20:33.799Yeah. Let me point out tothough, this is a common mindset.27900:20:33.200 --> 00:20:37.039There's also a mindset, and Idon't think you have it on here.28000:20:37.119 --> 00:20:42.480Okay, but this is kind oflike maybe the the flip side of guilt28100:20:42.720 --> 00:20:47.839is this sort of brazenness, thissort of seared conscience, where they they're28200:20:47.880 --> 00:20:52.640feeling nothing. Right, yeah,numbness maybe, or just obstinate is a28300:20:52.720 --> 00:20:56.799mindset. Yeah, and so maybewe'll talk about that a little more.28400:20:56.839 --> 00:20:59.279But I do want to talk aboutguilt in the sense this. I know,28500:20:59.480 --> 00:21:03.559especially in our American Christianity, wehave this idea and maybe we've been28600:21:03.559 --> 00:21:07.480taught this in our churches at somehowguilt is a bad thing, that no28700:21:07.519 --> 00:21:12.759one should ever feel shame or guilt. Well, that's not what the Bible28800:21:12.880 --> 00:21:18.000says. Actually, people should feelguilt when they're doing things that they're guilty28900:21:18.079 --> 00:21:23.720for. Right when someone schedules now, again, I'm not minimizing circumstances.29000:21:23.759 --> 00:21:27.559I'm a compassionate person, right I'lltry to get in the mindset of these29100:21:27.559 --> 00:21:32.880women and meet them where they're at. But if someone has scheduled an appointment29200:21:32.960 --> 00:21:37.599to murder their own child, theyshould feel guilty, right. There should29300:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.559be guilt. Yeah, if someonemurders their child through abortion, there should29400:21:41.640 --> 00:21:45.920be there is guilt, whether theyfeel it or not. They're guilty to29500:21:45.000 --> 00:21:49.359God and there should be shame,like you should be ashamed of doing things29600:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.960like that. But that shame andguilt is intended by God to lead us29700:21:56.079 --> 00:21:59.799to him, the one who canrelieve shame and guilt. What happens is29800:21:59.839 --> 00:22:03.039the devil kind of flips it onits head and makes that shame and guilt29900:22:03.200 --> 00:22:08.359become condemnation where there's no there's nohope of restoration. I've said it before.30000:22:08.680 --> 00:22:18.440Guilt or conviction is guilt or shamewith the hope of restoration. Condemnation30100:22:18.599 --> 00:22:22.559is guilt or shame without the hopeof restoration. Right, there's always hope30200:22:22.640 --> 00:22:29.039of restoration in God. But Iwill say a guilty mindset is something that30300:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.799you can work with, like youcan. You can speak to that and30400:22:32.839 --> 00:22:34.920you can speak to especially when you'redealing with a woman that's going into the30500:22:36.000 --> 00:22:38.000abortion center. It's a little differentwhen they're coming out after they've had the30600:22:38.039 --> 00:22:42.720abortion as they're going in and youencounter a guilty mindset. You can play30700:22:42.799 --> 00:22:48.039on that and say things like youdon't have to feel guilty because you can30800:22:48.119 --> 00:22:51.160leave this place, right, andyou can ask questions. Okay, if30900:22:51.160 --> 00:22:55.000you're feeling guilty, why do youthink that is? Yeah, why do31000:22:55.079 --> 00:22:59.000you think you're feeling guilt? It'sbecause you know that what you're doing is31100:22:59.039 --> 00:23:03.000wrong, right. Yeah, andso you can, you can, you31200:23:03.039 --> 00:23:06.960can build on that foundation of guilt. Guilt is not a as, not31300:23:07.000 --> 00:23:11.359a place that people should stay,right. They should go from guilt to31400:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.359restoration, and we, who havethe Gospel, can lead them there,31500:23:15.440 --> 00:23:18.119right, we can lead them tothe Lord. Yeah, but the idea31600:23:18.119 --> 00:23:21.559that guilt is altogether bad is justa false notion. Yeah, and and31700:23:21.599 --> 00:23:26.759guilt shows conflict. So that's whyit's such a positive thing if they're admitting31800:23:26.799 --> 00:23:30.160that there they are feeling guilty,and I've had them say that I'm feeling31900:23:30.200 --> 00:23:33.319guilty. I don't know why I'vehad them say that to me before.32000:23:33.480 --> 00:23:37.640If they're feeling guilt, I'll saythat is so wonderful because it shows that32100:23:37.680 --> 00:23:44.000your conscience is open to God's promptingand the holy spirits prompting and and try32200:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.400to remember a time in your lifeor times in your life when you don't32300:23:47.519 --> 00:23:52.359feel guilt. What are those thingsthat you're doing? And they'll describe things32400:23:52.400 --> 00:23:56.200that are good. Yeah, andyou don't feel guilt, and reminding them32500:23:56.279 --> 00:24:00.559that that is at which would youprefer to feel? And every everyone would32600:24:00.559 --> 00:24:06.400prefer to feel a clear conscience.So so again pointing out the guilt,32700:24:06.480 --> 00:24:11.000knowing it's there but that you haven'tcaused it, and and offering them how32800:24:11.039 --> 00:24:17.599they could avoid continuing down that pathof having a guilty conscience before God.32900:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.880Yeah, which is by doing theright thing. Something that I think many33000:24:21.960 --> 00:24:26.640of the women experience, again,almost all of them, is they have33100:24:26.759 --> 00:24:32.000been betrayed. They have a senseof betrayal. They've been often betrayed by33200:24:32.000 --> 00:24:34.839the guy who said he loved themand really was just using them, right,33300:24:34.920 --> 00:24:40.400and they have figured that out.Betrayal by parents, by friends,33400:24:40.599 --> 00:24:45.559yea, and they by God.They feel betrayed by God. I've heard33500:24:45.599 --> 00:24:51.200them say so many times. Goddidn't have to let me become pregnant,33600:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.079he could have stopped it. Yeah, so they feel betrayed because they think33700:24:56.640 --> 00:25:00.000often they think they're good people right, that are not at all responsible for33800:25:00.279 --> 00:25:07.400or they're not claiming responsibility, rightfulresponsibility for, why they're in the situation33900:25:07.400 --> 00:25:10.200that they're in. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's something again,34000:25:10.240 --> 00:25:12.400we have to deal with. Yeah, in reality, if you have34100:25:12.440 --> 00:25:17.319sex outside of marriage, you've betrayedthe Lord. Right, you've betrayed your34200:25:17.359 --> 00:25:21.759own conscience that God graciously gave you. But of course, the enemy with34300:25:21.799 --> 00:25:26.920his lies and the human human arein our flesh. We turn things upside34400:25:26.960 --> 00:25:30.079down, right, and so thisbetrayal and that that they've been betrayed by34500:25:30.119 --> 00:25:33.680God is it's a false notion,but to something we have to answer,34600:25:33.720 --> 00:25:37.279we have to talk about and insense that like the way you answer that34700:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.640is, you know God, thatGod hasn't betrayed you. God has a34800:25:40.640 --> 00:25:42.799plan for you and for this child. What if it's this child that God34900:25:42.880 --> 00:25:47.119is going to use in your lifeto turn things right side up? Yeah,35000:25:47.160 --> 00:25:48.799you know. And so we talkabout trust and we deal with fear,35100:25:48.960 --> 00:25:53.039we deal with guilt, we bringit to trust, trust the Lord.35200:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.720Yeah, yeah, and talking aboutbetrayal from family members and things like35300:25:56.799 --> 00:26:00.319that, obviously when we're talking about, you know, about the resources and35400:26:00.359 --> 00:26:04.880the things that we have, you'vegot parents who, in all intents and35500:26:04.920 --> 00:26:08.920purposes, that's to support people thatare supposed to be there for her.35600:26:08.920 --> 00:26:14.079When she gets in a difficult situation, ie. An unplanned pregnancy, like35700:26:14.119 --> 00:26:17.880those people should be there, butthey betray her and that that is really35800:26:17.920 --> 00:26:21.759a betrayal. When a when whenparents tell their kid, you can't live35900:26:21.759 --> 00:26:23.359in our house because you're pregnant,that is a betrayal. It knows,36000:26:23.880 --> 00:26:26.319I'm not going to point the fingerat all parents that do that. Maybe36100:26:26.359 --> 00:26:30.200there's some reasons for that or whatever, but for the most part that's a36200:26:30.240 --> 00:26:34.200betrayal. And so how do weanswer that? How do we counteract that?36300:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.759Well, we share resources. Ifyou've been kicked out, we're not36400:26:40.799 --> 00:26:44.759here to betray you, we're hereto help you. We're here to try36500:26:44.799 --> 00:26:48.119to step in where those support peoplehave been kind of pulled out from under36600:26:48.160 --> 00:26:52.839you. Yeah, and here's someresources, here's a housing ministry. I36700:26:52.839 --> 00:26:55.680think just recently you took a younglady to a housing ministry, to a36800:26:55.720 --> 00:26:59.880resource that could help her in asituation like that. So ss to trail36900:27:00.079 --> 00:27:04.559in her life and was currently livingin a with a guy who had betrayed37000:27:04.599 --> 00:27:08.759her, and they'll often get tryeyed and say yes, and but,37100:27:08.960 --> 00:27:11.400and then I'll say, well,you know, a parent, just what37200:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.480you were saying, Daniel. Aparent, or you know, a loved37300:27:15.519 --> 00:27:22.920one, is supposed to protect andand show self less behavior towards the person37400:27:22.960 --> 00:27:27.039that they claim to love or thatshould be loved, the One Who protects37500:27:27.039 --> 00:27:30.200and loves them. Well, whatabout a mother? Yeah, towards her37600:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.799child. Think about what that childis in a place that God perfectly designed37700:27:36.160 --> 00:27:41.680to be a place of protection,and a mother's really natural instinct is given37800:27:41.720 --> 00:27:47.960by God to protect and nurture thatchild in the womb. Look at what's37900:27:47.960 --> 00:27:52.359about to happen here. That isa indeed at betrayal. Yeah, if38000:27:52.400 --> 00:27:57.039you towards an innocent, vulnerable humanbeing, you see how betrayal leads to38100:27:57.160 --> 00:28:02.599such a terrible and do you wantto be a part of that right?38200:28:02.680 --> 00:28:06.480Yeah, yeah, and I think, I mean, there's a lot more38300:28:06.519 --> 00:28:12.519to this article, but I thinkwe'll end with this last point. Okay,38400:28:12.559 --> 00:28:18.000and maybe I'll give some maybe someclosing thoughts about the mindsets and things.38500:28:18.079 --> 00:28:21.880Just some things. Are you guysto be thinking about. But one38600:28:21.920 --> 00:28:25.279of the mind sets that we dohave to deal with, you have listed38700:28:25.359 --> 00:28:29.559in this article, is feeling overwhelmed. Yeah, can we have to understand38800:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.599that a lot of these women,the world has fallen down around them.38900:28:32.759 --> 00:28:37.119Right there. Support people are supportnetwork has betrayed them. They're under a39000:28:37.119 --> 00:28:38.720spirit of fear, they're young,they don't know where to turn, what39100:28:38.759 --> 00:28:42.480to do. They got on Googleand the first thing that popped up was39200:28:42.519 --> 00:28:45.960a preferred woman's help center, aplan parenthood will solve all your problems.39300:28:47.079 --> 00:28:52.960Right. They've just they've just beenoverwhelmed with the circumstance. For many of39400:28:52.039 --> 00:28:56.839the women, it's like it's notone big thing, it's a bunch of39500:28:56.880 --> 00:29:00.599little things in their life that iskind of stacked against them. Now I39600:29:00.640 --> 00:29:04.400have seen over the years as I'vetalked to women and men at the abortion39700:29:04.400 --> 00:29:07.839centers, is typically there's like onething that's a straw that broke the camels39800:29:07.839 --> 00:29:12.400back, but it's a bunch oflittle things that really brought them to the39900:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.559place where they thought that killing theirchild was a solution to their to their40000:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.559issues, you know. And sowe have to understand that feeling overwhelmed.40100:29:19.599 --> 00:29:23.559Now, how do we counteract thatfeeling overwhelmed. It kind of it's kind40200:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.279of in the same vein of fearand some of the other things we talked40300:29:27.319 --> 00:29:33.400about. I think you have toand I think I know you have to,40400:29:33.440 --> 00:29:37.200bring God into the equation. Yes, you have to encourage them to40500:29:37.200 --> 00:29:42.920put their trust in him because,even though they might be overwhelmed, God,40600:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.880if he's with them in this,he can help sort through all the40700:29:45.960 --> 00:29:51.720mess. And, on top ofthat, the church people who are going40800:29:51.759 --> 00:29:55.599to stand with her and sort throughthis mess with her. Having mentors,40900:29:55.680 --> 00:29:59.920having churches that will surround them withhelp and resources is really helpful to help41000:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.440them get out of that overwhelmed sortof mindset. Yeah, and so just41100:30:04.519 --> 00:30:07.000in wrapping up, I don't knowif you have anything to add to that.41200:30:07.079 --> 00:30:11.000No, I think we do needto kind of wrap it up.41300:30:11.039 --> 00:30:14.319I think we've made a lot ofreally good points and and you can go41400:30:14.359 --> 00:30:17.680to the article and really red formore detail, but I want to hear41500:30:17.720 --> 00:30:22.680your yes, I was just wantingto speak to how you started a lady41600:30:22.720 --> 00:30:26.359who had actually come to our bootcamp, Michelle. She came to our41700:30:26.359 --> 00:30:32.079boot camp a couple of months agoand she's from Colorado area. Had reached41800:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.880out. She reaches out at anabortion center where they do only late term41900:30:34.920 --> 00:30:37.880abortions. Just kind of a rarething. It's kind of rare thing to42000:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.599have an abortion facility that does lateterm abortions, but to have one that42100:30:41.640 --> 00:30:45.400only does late term abortions, obviouslythey specialize in that. Pretty well known42200:30:45.440 --> 00:30:49.799abortionist. I forget the abortionist nameher and I think so. Yeah,42300:30:49.839 --> 00:30:55.519and so she asked, you know, is is there any is there any42400:30:55.559 --> 00:31:00.480difference in reaching out at a lateterm abortion facility as opposed to one that42500:31:00.519 --> 00:31:06.480does abortions through, you know,all mostly early trimester abortions, right,42600:31:06.559 --> 00:31:08.759which is where most of the abortioncenters, or how far along most of42700:31:08.759 --> 00:31:12.759the abortion centers, do the abortionsat? And I started thinking, as42800:31:12.759 --> 00:31:18.720I was looking at her email aboutthe mindset of a woman who's got a42900:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.200late term pregnancy going to an abortioncenter, like, is the mindset any43000:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.000different? In reality, there aresome some things that are similar, right,43100:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.799like the fear factor that's there.It's just are probably there. They43200:31:29.839 --> 00:31:32.920all though all of those things arequite likely there. Yeah, but there43300:31:33.039 --> 00:31:34.880is a difference, I think,a pretty significant difference that we need to43400:31:34.880 --> 00:31:38.279consider, and I'm just putting thisout there for you guys consideration, not43500:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.680just to help Michelle understand this thing, because we answer heard an email,43600:31:42.720 --> 00:31:47.279but to get you guys to bethinking. Are there's some scenarios and some43700:31:47.359 --> 00:31:51.400things that are different about the abortionfacility that I reach out at that I43800:31:51.440 --> 00:31:53.640can kind of be thinking in themindset of people that are coming. You43900:31:53.640 --> 00:31:56.960know, let's say, for example, I'm just throwing this out there,44000:31:56.000 --> 00:32:02.240maybe you're your Bor abortion facility isin a very affluent neighborhood or area where44100:32:02.240 --> 00:32:07.440the vast majority the people that arecoming in are not driving beat up clunkers44200:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.400like what we see here at latrobe. Well, if they're driving really nice44300:32:09.400 --> 00:32:13.799cards, right, there's kind ofa different mindset. They're not really going44400:32:13.839 --> 00:32:16.559to need resources, right. Youwant to talk about resources and alternatives and44500:32:16.599 --> 00:32:21.799stuff, but you're probably not goingto major on that because if somebody rolls44600:32:21.839 --> 00:32:27.039in in a Mercedes bends that's brandnew and, you know, cost more44700:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.759than your house or whatever, youprobably not going to be saying, Hey,44800:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.880we have held before you, notthe man dish right issue. Right.44900:32:32.880 --> 00:32:36.480So that's a mindset thing. Yeah, and is it pertains some people45000:32:36.519 --> 00:32:39.640that are further along in pregnancy comingand having abortions. Like we always say,45100:32:39.680 --> 00:32:43.119nobody gets up in the morning sayingsays, Hey, it's a good45200:32:43.160 --> 00:32:46.440day for an abortion, right,but for these women, certainly it's.45300:32:46.480 --> 00:32:51.319This is not something that just happenedin one day. Right. Most of45400:32:51.319 --> 00:32:54.880the women that have a late termabortion have a late term abortion because of45500:32:54.880 --> 00:33:00.000fetal abnormalities. They've been told somethingis wrong with their baby, heart defect,45600:33:00.119 --> 00:33:07.599spin a Bifita, some other Tristunomi, thirteen down syndrome, maybe there's45700:33:07.640 --> 00:33:12.559some issue with the baby. Now, none of that justifies abortion. We45800:33:12.599 --> 00:33:15.440know that. We understand that.You don't kill a baby to save a45900:33:15.440 --> 00:33:17.640baby. That's ridiculous, right.It's at mindset of fear, I'm going46000:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.440to kill my baby. And whatI told Michelle is for a lot of46100:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.240these people it's like a mercy kill. It's like, instead of that baby46200:33:25.359 --> 00:33:29.960living a horrible life or instead ofthat baby being born and then dying,46300:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.799you know, hours later, whichcan happen, sure, let's go ahead46400:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.559and kill that baby inside of thewomen. It's it's selfish, it's ridiculous,46500:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.359but it's a mindset that we needto understand. Often Times those women46600:33:39.400 --> 00:33:44.440have had multiple ultra sounds. Ifyou're further along and pregnancy and you're coming46700:33:44.519 --> 00:33:49.640for an abortion, they've been multipleultrasounds. There's there's no, there's no46800:33:49.680 --> 00:33:52.200longer that lie, that it's ablob of tissue or clump of cells.46900:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.960They've seen it, they've seen someof the fetal abnormalities and that's how they've47000:33:55.000 --> 00:34:00.640justified the abortion. Again, noneof that stuff justifies abortion. None of47100:34:00.640 --> 00:34:05.480that stuff minimizes what they're doing.And are there people that have late term47200:34:05.559 --> 00:34:09.760abortions that do it because of otherissues rather than fetal abnormalities or whatever?47300:34:10.000 --> 00:34:15.599Certainly I'm sure there are. Thevast majority are in that situation, and47400:34:15.679 --> 00:34:19.079so we need to be thinking inthat mindset. We need to be talking47500:34:19.119 --> 00:34:22.400in that mindset. We talk aboutthe humanity of the baby. I think47600:34:22.440 --> 00:34:28.000we definitely need to talk about theiraccountability to God, that that still a47700:34:28.000 --> 00:34:30.159baby, that's still a precious childmade in his image, even though he47800:34:30.280 --> 00:34:36.039or she has some birth defects orsome issues going on. That child is47900:34:36.039 --> 00:34:37.559still a human being and you're stillaccountable to God. I think you can48000:34:37.679 --> 00:34:43.119do that very graciously and we needto be very careful because they're going through48100:34:43.239 --> 00:34:46.159probably one of the most difficult seasonsof their life. Right. So we48200:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.920have to be very intentional with ourtone, very intentional with the words that48300:34:50.960 --> 00:34:54.599we say, but also very intentionabout speaking the truth, because the babies48400:34:54.599 --> 00:34:59.599that are killed on a late termabortion facility are just as valuable as the48500:34:59.639 --> 00:35:04.079in the sight of God as thebabies that are killed in early trimester abortions,48600:35:04.079 --> 00:35:07.480and vice versa. Right, theseare human beings and it's wrong to48700:35:07.519 --> 00:35:10.239kill human beings because human beings aremade in the image of God. Right48800:35:10.280 --> 00:35:15.559now, I did read that therewas another common reason for a late term48900:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519abortion, which is the health ofthe mother. Yeah, that's sometimes it's49000:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.119not discovered till later on in thePRESNENCY, but it's operating from that same49100:35:22.119 --> 00:35:27.880spirit of fear and it it's againtaken kind of God's job into our own49200:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.800hands. Yeah, yeah, andso just some things for you guys to49300:35:31.840 --> 00:35:36.199consider, some mindsets for you guysto consider, and I would say put49400:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.119all of this to serious prayer andask the Lord God help me to get49500:35:39.119 --> 00:35:43.079in the mindset of the people thatI'm ministering to right and got will help49600:35:43.119 --> 00:35:45.559you to do that. You will. So, guys, we appreciate you49700:35:45.599 --> 00:35:49.039listening to this podcast. We'd appreciateif you guys would give us a review,49800:35:49.119 --> 00:35:52.320whatever podcast service that you use.Give us a five star review.49900:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.119Reach out to us. You canreach me Daniel a love life dot Org.50000:35:54.440 --> 00:35:58.719You reach her Vicky at Love LifeDot Org. We'd love to hear50100:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.639from you. Some suggestion a podcast, maybe some feedback on this podcast or50200:36:01.679 --> 00:36:08.840others, but until next time,God bless got that, y'all. Give50300:36:08.960 --> 00:36:22.880me our live for love. Giveme our life for gratitude. I know50400:36:22.199 --> 00:36:31.639it will cost me my life.Nothing's too precious. And some met you.505-->