Tips for Effective Strategy at the Abortion Center

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,200:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.869I am welcome to the Gospel Centerpro life podcast. This episode we're300:00:10.869 --> 00:00:14.429going to talk about strategy. I'mto talk about how to be most effective400:00:14.509 --> 00:00:18.750out on the sidewalk at the abortioncenter to see baby saved in the Gospel500:00:18.829 --> 00:00:29.059proclaimed. Stay with us. Ifelt show passish, touch your heart,600:00:29.820 --> 00:00:38.210use me. Well, welcome tothe Gospel Center pro life podcast. Appreciate700:00:38.250 --> 00:00:42.729you, guys listing. Appreciate youguys tuning in and taking in this content800:00:42.890 --> 00:00:47.049that we so graciously put out therefor you guys. We do our best900:00:47.090 --> 00:00:51.359to put out content that will blessyou. Mainly focused on sidewalk ministry,1000:00:52.079 --> 00:00:55.679although we focus on other subjects aswell, but we kind of like to1100:00:55.719 --> 00:00:58.960stay in our lane and I thinkwe know a little bit, at least1200:00:59.280 --> 00:01:02.679a little touch, about sidewalk council. Taking US twenty years right, yeah,1300:01:02.719 --> 00:01:04.870all right. So anyway, we'regoing to talk, just to get1400:01:04.909 --> 00:01:08.109right to the point, about teamstrategy. Some of the things that we1500:01:08.269 --> 00:01:12.230find with the sidewalk missionaries that we'reseeing raised up all over the country,1600:01:12.230 --> 00:01:18.469all over the world, is thatsome of the practical stuff is is being1700:01:18.579 --> 00:01:22.260missed or just they just don't knowabout these practical things, stuff that we've1800:01:22.299 --> 00:01:26.340learned over the years that helps outwith our sidewalk teams that we've trained and1900:01:26.579 --> 00:01:30.060raised up here in Charlotte. Andso just we're going to talk about certain2000:01:30.060 --> 00:01:34.010dynamic certain things to be aware of. We've already shared some of this with2100:01:34.049 --> 00:01:37.849our sidewalk missionaries, which is why, because these questions kind of came across2200:01:37.849 --> 00:01:42.090our desk, so to speak.Yeah, and so we've answered some of2300:01:42.129 --> 00:01:47.519these questions. We've helped some ofour cybalk missionaries through at least laying out2400:01:47.560 --> 00:01:51.159of strategy for their teams out onthe sidewalks and we thought, Hey,2500:01:51.239 --> 00:01:53.959let's put this out there in apodcast for some of our other subwalk missionaries,2600:01:55.480 --> 00:01:59.480for other individuals who are doing thecybbalk ministry that are not necessarily associated2700:01:59.519 --> 00:02:01.870with love life or cities for lifeor anything like that, because we think2800:02:01.909 --> 00:02:06.310that some of these practical things thatwe learned would be a blessing to you2900:02:06.510 --> 00:02:08.349guys. Yes, some of themseem so basic that we kind of forget,3000:02:08.789 --> 00:02:12.389you know, we think we justassume everyone knows them, and maybe3100:02:12.430 --> 00:02:15.069they do. A lot of themare just common sense, but they're useful3200:02:15.349 --> 00:02:19.740to go through and just delineate whatthey are. Yeah, yeah, absolutely3300:02:19.939 --> 00:02:23.060know it's easy for us, youknow, when you're in a certain field3400:02:23.099 --> 00:02:28.419of work, it is easy toforget that some of the things are just3500:02:28.580 --> 00:02:31.689very basic to you. They're likeeverybody knows this. Actually aren't basic to3600:02:31.810 --> 00:02:36.009everybody. They've become second nature tous. Yeah, we've done it first3700:02:36.090 --> 00:02:38.009exactly. Yeah, so we're goingto talk about some of these things.3800:02:38.050 --> 00:02:42.569We're going to talk about just someof the different strategies that you guys can3900:02:42.650 --> 00:02:46.120employ. Again, some of thethings to watch out for, some some4000:02:46.280 --> 00:02:50.919of the things to be aware ofwhen you're when you're trying to organize your4100:02:50.960 --> 00:02:55.240team's God is raising up people allacross this country to do ministry at Sidewalks.4200:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.710Not Everybody can be a silwalk missionary. We talked about that some months4300:02:59.710 --> 00:03:02.629ago. We did a podcast aboutsidewalk missionaries and you guys know, if4400:03:02.629 --> 00:03:07.550you've been listening for a while,that we've merged cities for life, emerged4500:03:07.590 --> 00:03:12.030with love life, in an effortto raise up silwalk missionaries all over the4600:03:12.150 --> 00:03:15.620country. And part of our role, part of my role primarily, and4700:03:15.659 --> 00:03:17.780then you're helping me out with thisbecause you're such a wonderful person, is4800:03:17.979 --> 00:03:23.020in training these silwalk missionaries. Andso again, we've had some of these4900:03:23.060 --> 00:03:25.460questions come across our desk and sowe're going to kind of answer these more5000:03:25.699 --> 00:03:29.210in a broader sense rather than justkind of a one on one sense.5100:03:29.370 --> 00:03:34.729Yeah, so the first one isreally kind of the where everybody has to5200:03:34.889 --> 00:03:38.330start. Yeah, your focus,keep the main thing, the main thing,5300:03:38.610 --> 00:03:43.520focus on the mission. Yeah,and so what's our main mission?5400:03:44.199 --> 00:03:46.240Well, would you say to me? Our main mission, we always say,5500:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.759is to bring glory to the nameof Jesus Amen's that's our main goal.5600:03:50.960 --> 00:03:53.639Yeah, but under that, Godhas called us, we believe,5700:03:54.319 --> 00:03:59.310to be a Gospel centered presence atthe abortion centers. Right, so we5800:03:59.430 --> 00:04:03.710are called to reach MOMS and torescue babies from death. That's why we're5900:04:03.710 --> 00:04:08.750out there at the abortion center.We're not out there to even as tempting6000:04:08.750 --> 00:04:12.259as it is, to reach outto the pro boards that are out there6100:04:12.340 --> 00:04:15.780or the security guards that are there, even the abortion workers. All of6200:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.660those people are important to the Lord. All of those people are loved by6300:04:18.819 --> 00:04:24.100God and we believe God can,even God will, save all who turned6400:04:24.180 --> 00:04:29.170to him. Yeah, however,when Jesus called you to be at the6500:04:29.209 --> 00:04:32.649abortion center, he didn't call youthere to reach out to pro abortion people.6600:04:32.649 --> 00:04:36.290Yeah, he called you to reachout to the MOMS and to rescue6700:04:36.290 --> 00:04:41.519those babies that are scheduled to die. So keep that as your primary focus.6800:04:41.680 --> 00:04:45.240Now we've seen abortion workers come tothe Lord. We did a podcast6900:04:45.279 --> 00:04:48.120with Kevin, who used to beactually one of the escorts that opposed what7000:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.279we're doing right, and God savedhim and now he's volunteering on the sidewalk7100:04:51.279 --> 00:04:55.110here in Charlotte. Praise God forthat. God can reach those people.7200:04:55.110 --> 00:04:58.110Were not saying don't reach out tothose people, but they just can't be7300:04:58.629 --> 00:05:00.829the main thing. That's right.Once there was a fisherman fishing at the7400:05:00.870 --> 00:05:05.550pond right across the street from latrobewhere we minister and and I shared the7500:05:05.589 --> 00:05:10.300Gospel with him and he came tothe Lord. But he's not our focus.7600:05:10.699 --> 00:05:14.819And and so we it is easyto get distracted and to lose the7700:05:14.860 --> 00:05:16.980main focus in the problem with that, of course, is that then your7800:05:17.180 --> 00:05:24.050focus ministry goes unattended while you focuson what you shouldn't be focusing on.7900:05:24.290 --> 00:05:27.129So keep the focus. Yes,what made one of the things that can8000:05:27.170 --> 00:05:30.850happen and that does happen, thatI've seen happen and I know you have8100:05:30.009 --> 00:05:33.689to is when you let those proabortion people be the main focus, right,8200:05:33.810 --> 00:05:38.160or you let the guy you knowfishing stuff out of the out of8300:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.839the pond they're or fishing in thepond. He was fishing at the time,8400:05:42.959 --> 00:05:46.480right guy, it comes every oncealong, cleans out the little drainage8500:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.000thing. Yeah, at the pondhe's he's getting all kinds of basketballs and8600:05:49.029 --> 00:05:54.310boots, spare tires, all thestuff out of the pond. And Right,8700:05:54.470 --> 00:05:57.829we've been able to minister to him. But the point is that if8800:05:57.910 --> 00:06:00.790we let him be the main focus, then we miss the mom's going into8900:06:00.790 --> 00:06:05.379the abortion sent we miss being ableto reach a mom who could potentially what9000:06:05.540 --> 00:06:10.819we're saying to her could potentially saveher babies life and write bring her to9100:06:10.899 --> 00:06:14.819the Lord exactly. And so,in keeping the main focus, a lot9200:06:14.860 --> 00:06:17.100of the things we're going to talkabout actually are how well, how do9300:06:17.259 --> 00:06:23.290you do that? Are there waysto help you stay focused on your mission?9400:06:23.370 --> 00:06:26.410The main one, and that theone of the biggest ones we found,9500:06:26.930 --> 00:06:30.610is because sidewalk counselors are some ofthe greatest people on Earth. You9600:06:30.730 --> 00:06:35.879want to chat with them and thatoften becomes a problem. Yes, so9700:06:35.879 --> 00:06:42.680our second point is avoid Chit Chat. Yeah, and that again is keeping9800:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.839the main thing, the main thing, like you mentioned, s I walt9900:06:45.920 --> 00:06:49.990counselors. I mean some of thethe most awesome Christians I've ever met.10000:06:50.069 --> 00:06:54.949I've met out there to sidewalk toand they love Jesus. You love Jesus.10100:06:55.029 --> 00:06:58.069You want to talk and listen.There's time for that. There are10200:06:58.110 --> 00:07:01.060times when we get into some prettydeep discussions and encourage each other, and10300:07:01.100 --> 00:07:03.779we need to do that. Weneed to be intentional about encouraging each other10400:07:03.779 --> 00:07:06.860out there on the subwle because it'shard work. But we just can't get10500:07:06.899 --> 00:07:11.259into Chitchat mode. Yes, soI call it Chit Chat Mode where we're10600:07:11.300 --> 00:07:14.579just chit chatting, we're just talkingabout whatever. Yeah, things that maybe10700:07:14.620 --> 00:07:17.209don't pertain to reach. In thosemoms things are, you know. Well,10800:07:17.290 --> 00:07:20.889we have for breakfast whatever, right, easy to do, and deep,10900:07:21.170 --> 00:07:26.810long discussions, and so I'll sometimes, you know, they're great discussions,11000:07:26.930 --> 00:07:30.240but I'll have to say we can'tdo that out here. We can't11100:07:30.240 --> 00:07:32.560do a long discussion out here.But you do raise an important point where11200:07:32.680 --> 00:07:38.800where you're not saying that there aren'ttimes when you should be encouraging each other,11300:07:38.839 --> 00:07:43.240because there's no doubt this is hardbattle that that you're engaged in.11400:07:43.279 --> 00:07:46.509Yeah, on the sidewalk and yousometimes do need someone to pat you on11500:07:46.550 --> 00:07:49.709the back and say hey, you'redoing great. Yeah, absolutely, we11600:07:49.790 --> 00:07:54.069don't. We don't want to losethat not. And also you got to11700:07:54.149 --> 00:07:59.379think to the perception of a womangoing into the abortion center, or,11800:07:59.420 --> 00:08:01.100let's say, a woman going inand out of the abortion center just to11900:08:01.180 --> 00:08:05.100passer by right, like they knowwhy we're there or there because babies are12000:08:05.139 --> 00:08:07.620dying in there. Right, webelieve that babies are dying in there,12100:08:09.019 --> 00:08:11.540but if they see us out onthe sidewalk just Chit Chat and looking on12200:08:11.620 --> 00:08:15.769our phones or whatever, listen,I know I've been guilty of it myself.12300:08:15.889 --> 00:08:18.449It's easy, especially when there's alaw in the day, when nobody's12400:08:18.490 --> 00:08:22.769coming into the abortion center and you'remay be waiting for the next wave of12500:08:22.810 --> 00:08:26.129appointments or whatever, it's easy justto get distracted with talking or get on12600:08:26.240 --> 00:08:31.839your phone or whatever, but it'sjust it's not a good outward appearance anyhow,12700:08:31.440 --> 00:08:37.120and also some things that I've seenon the sidewalk when you get into12800:08:37.120 --> 00:08:41.399Chitchat mode that I think are veryunhelpful and can be a really a bad12900:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.230witness is when you're out there laughingand joking. Now, yeah, I13000:08:45.309 --> 00:08:48.990am a jokester. I like toI like to make funny jokes and laugh13100:08:48.070 --> 00:08:52.269at funny jokes and all of that, but especially when somebody's out there on13200:08:52.309 --> 00:08:56.820the sidewalk who's a prolifer, wholoves Jesus, loves people, believe the13300:08:56.860 --> 00:09:00.860babies are done in there and thenwe let out some loud burst of laughter13400:09:00.899 --> 00:09:03.860it. Yeah, it just nota good look. Yeah, it looks13500:09:03.899 --> 00:09:09.860like you're being flippant over a very, very disturbing, an and heavy subject,13600:09:09.940 --> 00:09:11.809which is say a child is yeah, I mean, think about it.13700:09:11.850 --> 00:09:15.490You've just appealed to a mother.I'm just kind of laying out the13800:09:15.529 --> 00:09:18.610scenario and it is played out beforeI've seen it. Yeah, you've appealed13900:09:18.649 --> 00:09:22.409to a mother with a very heavyappeal that hey, we have help available14000:09:22.450 --> 00:09:24.960for you. God loves you,God loves your baby. Please don't go14100:09:26.080 --> 00:09:28.679in there and take the life ofyour baby and then ten minutes later,14200:09:28.840 --> 00:09:33.399five minutes later, two minutes later, you're out on the sidewalk and some14300:09:33.320 --> 00:09:37.480loud outbursts of laughter because somebody saidsomething funny. Yeah, and listen,14400:09:37.710 --> 00:09:41.990I'm not trying to be legalistic.I like to laugh. Yeah, but14500:09:43.029 --> 00:09:46.750there's an appropriate time. Of course. The Bible speaks about the there's times14600:09:46.830 --> 00:09:50.549and seasons for things right, right, and being out on the sidewalk Chit14700:09:50.590 --> 00:09:54.980Chat and then laughing and shooting thebreeze about things that really are, in14800:09:56.059 --> 00:09:58.860light of what's going on inside ofthere, not very weighty matters. Yeah,14900:09:58.860 --> 00:10:01.100it's something we need to be careful. Yeah, I got it.15000:10:01.220 --> 00:10:07.889Got To be careful at the we'rehuman and you don't want to lose your15100:10:07.929 --> 00:10:11.009humanity out there and there should bea certain amount of joy in the Lord.15200:10:11.210 --> 00:10:16.450But yeah, you got to bereally careful about what others are observing15300:10:16.649 --> 00:10:20.409and it's that adding or detracting fromwhat you're trying to impart to them.15400:10:20.440 --> 00:10:24.519Yeah. So, and one ofthe ways that we have found as about15500:10:24.519 --> 00:10:31.799the the most effective way to avoidchit chat is to have designated stations.15600:10:31.840 --> 00:10:35.389Yeah, right, Yep, andthat is a very, very practical way15700:10:35.669 --> 00:10:41.590to keep people separated and to keeppeople from getting in Chit Chat Mode when15800:10:41.590 --> 00:10:45.870you give them a distinct position,like here in Charlotte we have what we15900:10:45.909 --> 00:10:48.549call the driveway position, right,and the sidewalk position and the call center16000:10:48.669 --> 00:10:52.980position. So just kind of giveyou guys a lay of the land.16100:10:52.179 --> 00:10:56.860There's a main driveway where people pullinto the the busiest abortion clinic in the16200:10:56.899 --> 00:11:01.259southeast, and so main driveway wherepeople pull in and the spot at that16300:11:01.419 --> 00:11:03.570driveway is a spot where you canhand out literature, you can call out16400:11:03.610 --> 00:11:07.409to the MOMS going in. Youcan see most of the driveway there.16500:11:07.490 --> 00:11:11.769So it's the visibilities really good andthat is priority spot number one. And16600:11:11.929 --> 00:11:16.009we give that spot to somebody andwe encourage them don't leave this spot the16700:11:16.090 --> 00:11:20.559whole time you're here, have literaturein your hand, engage with the moms16800:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.000that are going into the abortion center, try to get them to stop their16900:11:24.080 --> 00:11:28.519car to take your literature. Andso that gives that person it helps them17000:11:28.000 --> 00:11:31.720really have a focus. Yeah,it helps them take ownership, yeah,17100:11:33.110 --> 00:11:37.230of being out there right. SoI'm I was at driveway position today,17200:11:37.350 --> 00:11:39.029you know, and I gave outso many pieces of literature and that's just17300:11:39.110 --> 00:11:43.909an encouraging place to be when you'rehanding out literature. And then the sidewalk17400:11:43.909 --> 00:11:48.740position is primarily where they're calling outand that's some distance away. It's ten17500:11:48.899 --> 00:11:52.100fifteen feet away from driveway position.So again it's hard to have a conversation17600:11:52.259 --> 00:11:56.220and it's not a stationary position.It gives them the ability to pace back17700:11:56.299 --> 00:11:58.899and forth them the sidewalk. Ifsomebodys getting out of their vehicle, then17800:11:58.940 --> 00:12:03.690you call out to them. Andand then the call center, driveway position.17900:12:03.850 --> 00:12:07.730There's a call center that's right besidethe abortion center and there's a driveway18000:12:07.730 --> 00:12:11.690for it. Sometimes the abortion patientsgo in there. So we give out18100:12:11.730 --> 00:12:13.970literature at that. And then thereare other positions too that we have.18200:12:15.169 --> 00:12:20.039We have basically five positions. Wehave two kind of peripheral positions where people18300:12:20.039 --> 00:12:24.120will position themselves up the road fromthe abortion center to get people before they18400:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.120come all the way down. Butanyway, just kind of gives you guys,18500:12:26.120 --> 00:12:31.190an idea of what you could do. Yeah, and different abortion centers18600:12:31.230 --> 00:12:33.470are laid out in different ways.Maybe you don't have a driveway, maybe18700:12:33.590 --> 00:12:37.950people are walking up. So youhave so point of engagement though, and18800:12:37.029 --> 00:12:41.190and and they're sometimes they're. There'reseveral points of engagement, depending on the18900:12:41.230 --> 00:12:46.419facility. Wherever that point of engagementis, you want someone there. Yeah,19000:12:46.460 --> 00:12:50.899and have a designated person in that. Yeah, absolutely. And again19100:12:50.899 --> 00:12:54.539it gives people. The Bible sayswithout vision the people perish. Right.19200:12:54.340 --> 00:12:58.690That word parish actually means the castoff, restraint, without a vision,19300:12:58.809 --> 00:13:03.009without kind of like an understanding oflike, okay, you're holding this position,19400:13:03.009 --> 00:13:07.850right, you're in driveway position.You're here to hold this position down,19500:13:07.889 --> 00:13:11.570to have a line is just likeyour your commander in chief. Ultimately,19600:13:11.610 --> 00:13:15.960the Lord has given you a spotand you're going to stay in that19700:13:16.080 --> 00:13:18.240spot, you're going to claim thatas yours and you're going to hold it19800:13:18.279 --> 00:13:22.279down because that's what you're called todo. Right. And so it again19900:13:22.320 --> 00:13:26.799it helps people staying Gaye. Ithelps give People Vision, it helps restrain20000:13:26.919 --> 00:13:31.029people in the calling that they have. Right, yeah, yeah, and20100:13:31.429 --> 00:13:35.509and so in terms of having thedesignated positions, you also talked a little20200:13:35.509 --> 00:13:39.429bit about that. The priority positionis, if we only have, say,20300:13:39.509 --> 00:13:45.419one person, a priority position isat the driveway. But thinking that20400:13:45.659 --> 00:13:50.700through, in whatever facility you're at, what are the priorities? And not20500:13:50.860 --> 00:13:54.769only position wise, but top prioritiesin terms of what you're doing out there,20600:13:54.850 --> 00:14:00.610and so we have probably one ofthe top priorities is getting the literature20700:14:00.809 --> 00:14:03.769in their hands. Yes, probablytrue. Wherever you are, if you20800:14:03.970 --> 00:14:07.330have literature that you're giving an abortionminded woman, you need to get that20900:14:07.370 --> 00:14:11.399there to turn in your hand.People are saved by that literature. Yeah,21000:14:11.480 --> 00:14:13.799sometimes. Yeah, people who wouldn'tmaybe normally engage with you in a21100:14:13.840 --> 00:14:22.879oneonone conversation right will sometimes take literatureand that literature can speak beyond the abortion21200:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.950center. We've had women, wehad is he on the podcast a couple21300:14:26.950 --> 00:14:30.230of weeks ago and it was apiece of literature. It was one brochure21400:14:30.350 --> 00:14:35.830that she got in her hands atthe driveway that ultimately calls her to change21500:14:35.870 --> 00:14:39.100her mind. Yeah, and evenjust I mean turned her world right side21600:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.419up. It did. It did. So top priority the the literature,21700:14:41.419 --> 00:14:46.500and you might have other priorities aresecond one is calling out that we have21800:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.580the priority that every single woman thatenters that place and every time we see21900:14:50.580 --> 00:14:54.049her face, really we're going tobe calling out. Yeah, our three22000:14:54.129 --> 00:14:56.690main areas resources what God has tosay in the humanity of the baby.22100:14:58.490 --> 00:15:03.490Top priority. So literature, andcalling out, and then we listed in22200:15:03.570 --> 00:15:09.159in as we were thinking about thepriorities. What would be the third priority?22300:15:09.759 --> 00:15:13.039Calling out her as she comes andgoes. It's maybe not the first22400:15:13.080 --> 00:15:16.039time you've seen her, but everytime you see her you're going to be22500:15:16.120 --> 00:15:20.240calling out. Yeah, for ourfourth priority is calling out to the friends22600:15:20.470 --> 00:15:26.029with the driver, because they stillcould make a difference. Fifth Priority,22700:15:26.070 --> 00:15:31.710abortion workers. Six priority, prioritythe pro abortion escorts and advocates, although22800:15:31.710 --> 00:15:35.710we tend not to call out tothem at all. But so prioritize,22900:15:35.940 --> 00:15:41.019and this is just so people understandagain, we're not we're not attributing value23000:15:41.100 --> 00:15:46.179or less value. We're talking aboutpriorities. We're talking about what our focus23100:15:46.220 --> 00:15:50.169is right. So we're talking aboutthe people that were primarily there that we're23200:15:50.169 --> 00:15:54.970going to pro auraitize to reach outto them, either give them literature to23300:15:54.090 --> 00:15:58.129call out to them, because again, you can get distracted. You know,23400:15:58.169 --> 00:16:00.450if there's a guy milling around onthe parking lot, yeah, who's23500:16:00.570 --> 00:16:03.840likely an aboard of Dad who broughthis girlfriend or his wife there for an23600:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.320abortion, I'm going to try toreach out to them. I'm going to23700:16:07.360 --> 00:16:10.399try to call out to him andget him to come over and talk to23800:16:10.440 --> 00:16:12.480me. But if there's a momwalking into the abortion center, I'm not23900:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.559going to prioritize him and give himmy attention. He's been milling around the24000:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.110park a lot, yeah, formaybe ten fifteen minutes. He'll still be24100:16:19.230 --> 00:16:22.789milling around the parking lot after shegoes in. So I'm going to take24200:16:22.830 --> 00:16:25.629my focus. If I'm engaging withhim, I'll say I'm the only person24300:16:25.669 --> 00:16:29.309out there and I'm engaging with himin a conversation across the parking lot,24400:16:29.350 --> 00:16:32.549or however the scenario might be,and this is of course, this has24500:16:32.590 --> 00:16:34.980happened several times. Sure, ifI'm engaging with him and yet a mom24600:16:36.139 --> 00:16:37.700is walking out, so you getout of her car and she's walking into24700:16:37.700 --> 00:16:41.019the abortion center, I'm going toput that conversation on hold for a second.24800:16:41.100 --> 00:16:44.460It might seem rude to him,I don't care. This is life24900:16:44.460 --> 00:16:47.100and death. Yeah, and soI might say hold on for one second25000:16:47.139 --> 00:16:48.529and then I'm going to address thatmom going in and try to get her25100:16:48.610 --> 00:16:52.250to come and talk to me,because I've got my priority straight. In25200:16:52.370 --> 00:16:56.450that sense, she's the one thathas the final say in what's going to25300:16:56.490 --> 00:16:59.250happen to that child. She's theone that can call it all off or25400:16:59.330 --> 00:17:02.919say go ahead and have this abortion, and I guess our priorities are the25500:17:03.120 --> 00:17:08.720one see closest to line to makingthe final decision of whether that baby lives25600:17:08.759 --> 00:17:15.190or dies. Yeah, so haveour priority straight. Another good strategy to25700:17:15.390 --> 00:17:22.910think about is where, first ofall, should you use signs? Where25800:17:22.950 --> 00:17:26.670should the signs be in and whatsigns? So, if you're going to25900:17:26.750 --> 00:17:30.740use the VIC to image, sign, the abortion image, yeah, abortion26000:17:30.819 --> 00:17:33.259victims sign. Yeah. So weacture. Should it be? Yeah,26100:17:33.259 --> 00:17:37.940we actually did a podcast about thisvery subject, so I'll just touch on26200:17:37.019 --> 00:17:41.940it just briefly. We and againwe did a podcast about graphic images and26300:17:42.059 --> 00:17:45.809the use of graphic images, andI know there's people that are against that26400:17:45.970 --> 00:17:49.289and you know, I think eitherway, before the Lord, as long26500:17:49.289 --> 00:17:52.490as you're doing what you do beforethe Lord, I think it's fine.26600:17:52.529 --> 00:17:56.089I think there's a problem with graphicimages if you're using them right at the26700:17:56.130 --> 00:17:59.839driveway as people are pulling in.I think it can discourage people from stopping26800:17:59.880 --> 00:18:03.839and taking information. I do thinkthat you need to look at the scenario,26900:18:04.000 --> 00:18:07.039look at what's going to be mostbeneficial. We if we use graphic27000:18:07.079 --> 00:18:11.640images. We typically use them awayfrom the driveway, away from the areas27100:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.430of engagement. But listen, signsare very effective. There's no doubt about27200:18:15.430 --> 00:18:19.109it that signs have changed minds.Right, no doubt about it that chance27300:18:19.230 --> 00:18:25.589signs have saved babies lives. Yeah, and whether that's a victim image sign,27400:18:25.670 --> 00:18:29.099which you know, listen if peoplehave problem with those, I've seen27500:18:29.220 --> 00:18:33.259more baby saved from those signs andany other signs. So babies are saved27600:18:33.299 --> 00:18:36.900by those signs. But babies canbe saved by a sign of a mom27700:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.579holding the baby. We have someof those with love life. That's what27800:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.210we typically use, the signs ofHey, moms that have chosen life here27900:18:44.210 --> 00:18:47.930at latrobe holding their baby. Ichose life, so can you. One28000:18:47.970 --> 00:18:52.250of the signs says. So signs, like I often say, can be28100:18:52.690 --> 00:18:55.289a sign, a sign good andthey and they have to and you can28200:18:55.329 --> 00:18:57.640use some strategically in the placement andwhere you place them can be part of28300:18:57.759 --> 00:19:03.200your your team strategy. Yeah,we've mentioned this many times before, but28400:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.400it's so basic and so important.Call out the three key areas, humanity28500:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.710of the baby, resources and God. Yeah, and that's an important part28600:19:11.710 --> 00:19:15.950of strategies, figure out how tosimplify what you call out to your volunteer28700:19:17.109 --> 00:19:19.190so that they can keep it intheir heart and mind and, in those28800:19:19.390 --> 00:19:23.740fifteen precious seconds that they have,use it to the fullest. Yeah,28900:19:23.819 --> 00:19:27.740absolutely, and just to this point, in the same way with signs,29000:19:29.180 --> 00:19:32.819if we're going to have signs thatare displayed and they're going to have messages29100:19:32.859 --> 00:19:34.779written on them, they have tobe really short and to the point.29200:19:34.819 --> 00:19:41.609They can't convey complex theological thoughts.Right. Complex theological thoughts are awesome,29300:19:41.369 --> 00:19:45.849that's cool, but on a signpeople are not going to be taken in29400:19:45.890 --> 00:19:48.289the information. It's like more isless in this kind of scenario. In29500:19:48.289 --> 00:19:52.529the same way in calling out,if you're calling out to a mother and29600:19:52.690 --> 00:19:56.839you're trying to convey to her somekind of complex thought that she needs to29700:19:56.920 --> 00:20:00.799think through, she's already scared,she's a already dealing with a bunch of29800:20:00.880 --> 00:20:03.319stuff in her heart and her mind. That's why we say the three talking29900:20:03.359 --> 00:20:07.390points are just really a key becauseit makes it very simple for us as30000:20:07.430 --> 00:20:11.190we're calling out, makes it simplefor the MOMS that are listening. If30100:20:11.190 --> 00:20:14.309you can stay around those kind ofkey points, what God says about this,30200:20:14.789 --> 00:20:17.869the humanity of the baby in theresources available. You can keep that30300:20:17.910 --> 00:20:21.460actually in ten seconds or less,and you can keep it just some really30400:20:21.500 --> 00:20:25.140quick points. Your baby's hard isbeating. That's the humanity of the baby.30500:20:25.539 --> 00:20:27.180God loves your baby and has aplan for your child. That's what30600:20:27.299 --> 00:20:30.579God says about this. We havehelp available to meet whatever need you have.30700:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.619That's resources. Those are not complexthoughts. Those are just simple to30800:20:34.769 --> 00:20:40.609the point thoughts and as you're thinkingthrough strategy, be thinking through that because30900:20:40.609 --> 00:20:42.849if right now you're kind of using, and I've heard people in front of31000:20:42.849 --> 00:20:49.680abortion centers use kind of like complexthoughts or even even words that maybe people31100:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.240wouldn't even understand, like the wordpropitiation. You ever heard that? Yes,31200:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.279where I have, yes, abiblicord. It's an awesome word,31300:20:56.759 --> 00:21:00.319but it's probably not a word I'mgoing to be using to a mom going31400:21:00.359 --> 00:21:03.480into the abortion center that's from.Probably not going to say hey, Jesus31500:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.710Chrises a propitiation for your sins ifyou put your trust in him. You31600:21:06.789 --> 00:21:10.750know I'm not going to do thatbecause it's not a it's too complex of31700:21:10.829 --> 00:21:14.430a thought to complex of word.So that's just one kind of silly example.31800:21:14.589 --> 00:21:15.829Yeah, but we need to bethinking through in our strategy how we31900:21:15.869 --> 00:21:18.779can get right to the point withthese MOMS exactly and so, and it32000:21:18.859 --> 00:21:23.220will be repetitive to you oftentimes wayyou say, but remember they're hearing it,32100:21:23.460 --> 00:21:30.700yeah, for the first time.So the progression of the discussion should32200:21:30.740 --> 00:21:33.930lead to conviction. And sometimes youhave more than fifteen seconds. Sometimes we32300:21:34.049 --> 00:21:38.130only do have ten or fifteen seconds, but sometimes they'll stop and listen or32400:21:38.210 --> 00:21:42.210there they will stand on the porchand listen. Sometimes they'll even approach you.32500:21:42.809 --> 00:21:48.599And I think it's important to rememberwhere do you go in the discussion?32600:21:48.279 --> 00:21:53.039And if you don't come to apoint where you're convicting them, it32700:21:53.279 --> 00:21:56.319is, of course God in theHoly Spirit that's convicting them. But but32800:21:56.559 --> 00:22:02.630what you are saying helps to bringthem to a point of conviction, then32900:22:02.670 --> 00:22:07.470they may still go in because theirheart has not been convicted that what they're33000:22:07.470 --> 00:22:12.430about to do is wrong. Yes, so it's important to have convicting verses33100:22:12.670 --> 00:22:17.180that you know, that you cancall out, and we actually have some33200:22:17.579 --> 00:22:22.339that we have written up and maybewe could post these. We absolutely podcast,33300:22:22.420 --> 00:22:26.500because I think these are just examplesthere's thousands of them in the Bible.33400:22:26.619 --> 00:22:29.500Yeah, it's a we could throwit up in an article on the33500:22:29.539 --> 00:22:32.970sudwalks for life website and of courseI'll link that in the show notes on33600:22:33.089 --> 00:22:36.809the on the podcast. Yeah,definitely sure, because we have these documents33700:22:36.849 --> 00:22:40.049all set ready to go. Butone of my favorites Hebrews ten twenty six.33800:22:40.089 --> 00:22:44.559I know I've said this many timesbefore on podcast, but if we33900:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.920go on sitting willfully after receiving theknowledge of the truth, there no longer34000:22:48.039 --> 00:22:53.319remains a sacrifice for sins, buta terrifying expectation of judgment and the fury34100:22:53.480 --> 00:22:57.990of a fire which will consume theadversaries. That's a convicting verse. That's34200:22:59.150 --> 00:23:02.309that's a pretty convicted verse. Ohand you willfully you know the truth because34300:23:02.349 --> 00:23:04.069we just told you the truth.Yeah, and God has told you over34400:23:04.150 --> 00:23:08.990and over again in the Bible andyou go willfully in and disregard the truth.34500:23:10.710 --> 00:23:15.940The Bible has some pretty scary consequencesthat are listed. This is not34600:23:15.140 --> 00:23:18.140something that you're going to be callingout to a mom, going to tell34700:23:18.140 --> 00:23:22.660your bors and self. This iswhere as the as the discussion progresses,34800:23:22.740 --> 00:23:26.730maybe she's come to see you facetofaceand but but I would call out,34900:23:26.730 --> 00:23:32.210and I have sometimes a verse like. Well, if you claim Jesus is35000:23:32.250 --> 00:23:34.049your Lord, what do you dowith a verse like where Jesus says,35100:23:34.450 --> 00:23:37.490why do you call me Lord,Lord and not do what I say?35200:23:37.650 --> 00:23:41.130Yeah, that one's a little biteasier and quicker and if I've got a35300:23:41.440 --> 00:23:45.039little bit more time I will callthat out. The point being that there35400:23:45.240 --> 00:23:48.759is a point at which it's notenough just to do those quick little statements.35500:23:48.920 --> 00:23:53.759Sometimes you want to say something thatit's really going to lead to heavy35600:23:53.880 --> 00:23:59.349conviction in their in their spirit.Yeah, YEA, and in those conversations35700:23:59.869 --> 00:24:03.710we always say you've got to beled by the Holy Spirit. The Holy35800:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.990Spirit knows far more about these MOMS, about their situation, about their future.35900:24:08.509 --> 00:24:11.980I mean, God knows. Wedon't have a clue. There's certain36000:24:11.019 --> 00:24:15.740truths we can give, but sometimesGod'll drop things in your heart. Yeah,36100:24:15.900 --> 00:24:18.099God'll take you in a direction.Maybe you want to take a really36200:24:18.220 --> 00:24:22.220soft approach and you don't want tocome across as condemning or whatever, and36300:24:22.299 --> 00:24:26.009certainly we shouldn't. That's not ourdesire, ever, but maybe you want36400:24:26.009 --> 00:24:30.609to take a soft approach and theLord Says No, this person needs they36500:24:30.730 --> 00:24:33.450need to hear the cold, hardtruth, or maybe the opposite his trees.36600:24:33.529 --> 00:24:36.730You just kind of maybe you atthe end of the day, you've36700:24:36.730 --> 00:24:38.200kind of just been fed up withso many hard hearts going in, and36800:24:38.279 --> 00:24:41.599trust me, I've been there anddone that, and you just feel like,36900:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.000okay, this this mom finally didcome over and talk to you,37000:24:44.160 --> 00:24:45.799or she finally did stop and talkto you, and use want to lay37100:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.000it on her heavy, but theHoly Spirit saysn't no, you need to37200:24:49.119 --> 00:24:52.359you need to handle this and wekiddi gloves and need to be led by37300:24:52.400 --> 00:24:55.150the Holy Spirit. We need tobe walking with the Lord and put on37400:24:55.230 --> 00:24:57.309the armor of God so that we'renot led by the flesh. We have37500:24:57.430 --> 00:25:00.509to be led by the Holy Spirit, which is such a good point and37600:25:00.670 --> 00:25:07.579so true. What what prompted thediscussion of convicting versus was when one of37700:25:07.619 --> 00:25:11.380our missionaries said, you know,mom stop and talk with me all the37800:25:11.500 --> 00:25:17.180time and we have great conversations andthey keep going in and killing their baby.37900:25:17.220 --> 00:25:21.099And we asked her, well,have you ever brought out some of38000:25:21.140 --> 00:25:23.930these convicting verses? And she hadnot, and I think some dis she38100:25:23.970 --> 00:25:27.970said. Maybe that was kind ofthis is not quite accurate language, but38200:25:29.089 --> 00:25:33.009seal the deal kind of with Ya, with bring them to a point of38300:25:33.250 --> 00:25:37.039true conviction. Wow, what I'mabout to do really is wrong and disregarding38400:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.680God's clear word. Yeah, sohow about not everybody has resources or a38500:25:41.759 --> 00:25:47.480notre sound to offer. Yeah,but if you do offer it, yeah,38600:25:47.519 --> 00:25:49.710don't get to offer those resources.That's one of the things that I38700:25:49.789 --> 00:25:53.509kind of want to get right at. They stopped in the driveway. Now,38800:25:53.630 --> 00:25:56.829some of you guys, you're dealingwith an abortion center where there's not38900:25:56.829 --> 00:26:00.190vehicle traffic, there's foot traffic.Yeah, so it's a little bit different,39000:26:00.309 --> 00:26:03.339but you know, I'm speaking fromthe perspective of vehicle traffic coming in.39100:26:03.500 --> 00:26:07.180Somebody stops, first couple of thingsI'm going to do is I'm going39200:26:07.180 --> 00:26:08.259to say, Hey, are youhere for an abortion? I'm going to39300:26:08.299 --> 00:26:11.539hand them one of the brochures andsay, Hey, I have have some39400:26:11.619 --> 00:26:12.660information for you. Hey, andthen I'm going to try to get them39500:26:12.660 --> 00:26:17.259on that RV right away. Wehave a free lund, the mobile ultrasound.39600:26:17.259 --> 00:26:19.049Yeah, absolutely, that ultra soundunit. I'll point right to it.39700:26:19.210 --> 00:26:23.329I'll say that mobiltra sound unit overthere has free ultrasound, free pregnancy39800:26:23.369 --> 00:26:26.890test, and you be willing tojust to get on board there real quick39900:26:26.890 --> 00:26:29.490and we can give you a freepregnancy test your sound. Yeah, I40000:26:29.609 --> 00:26:30.650want to get them right to that. It's kind of like one of my40100:26:30.809 --> 00:26:34.039strategies, one of my, Iguess, selling points or whatever. I40200:26:34.400 --> 00:26:38.319want to sell them the fact thatthey can get a free ultrasound. Again,40300:26:38.359 --> 00:26:41.880we're not selling anything, but weare trying to we're trying to give40400:26:41.920 --> 00:26:45.920a pitch, not a sales pitch, but ultimately we are trying to lead40500:26:45.960 --> 00:26:52.349him to leave life right and andwe're blessed by Monroe help pregnancy center sends40600:26:52.390 --> 00:26:56.230out a mobile ultrasound unit at almostevery day. Not every place has that.40700:26:56.509 --> 00:27:00.029Yeah, but whatever resources you dohave, it it's him. Don't40800:27:00.069 --> 00:27:03.619forget those. Be Sure within thefirst few seconds. That should be one40900:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.579of the talking points. Yeah,and let's say there's maybe there's not a41000:27:07.660 --> 00:27:11.980mobiltres sound unit there, but thereis a pregnancy center very close to the41100:27:11.019 --> 00:27:14.740abortion center. And a lot ofcities we're seeing that more and more,41200:27:14.779 --> 00:27:18.730as pregnancy centers are locating themselves rightnear abortion centers. That's awesome. Right,41300:27:18.849 --> 00:27:22.170maybe it's ten or fifteen minutes away. Either way, I would still41400:27:22.250 --> 00:27:25.650offer that as a resource pretty quickly. Right, and you can even make41500:27:25.730 --> 00:27:30.359up some some cards that have directionshow to get to the pregnancy center number.41600:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.039That's a great idea. I mean, we've had folks hop in their41700:27:33.119 --> 00:27:34.799car and say follow me, I'lltake you there. I know some of41800:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.880Our New York team are ladies therethere. Yeah, they got them.41900:27:37.880 --> 00:27:41.319They said hop in the car andI'll drive you there, and they'll drop42000:27:41.359 --> 00:27:44.000them there because I have a lotof foot try trafficking. Have we got42100:27:44.000 --> 00:27:47.710a lot of people coming in fromthe trains and all of that using public42200:27:47.750 --> 00:27:51.190transportation. Yeah, and so theylike hopping the car and they'll take him42300:27:51.190 --> 00:27:53.190to the pregnancy center that's twenty minutesdown the road. They so him to42400:27:53.190 --> 00:27:57.190share the Gospel and whatever as they'reon the road. Yeah. So how42500:27:57.190 --> 00:28:02.619about this strategy of how many peopleshould approach? We get so excited a42600:28:02.660 --> 00:28:04.900mom stops, maybe a car stopsor a mom comes over to talk.42700:28:06.500 --> 00:28:10.819So should the whole team descend upontheir car? Yeah, I mean that's42800:28:10.900 --> 00:28:14.450really helpful if we can. Ifsomebody does stop, everybody's excited we mob42900:28:14.650 --> 00:28:18.529the car. That's that's the beststrategy. No, it's terrible strat but43000:28:18.769 --> 00:28:22.450I'll tell you, it is avery strong temptation, especially when you've been43100:28:22.529 --> 00:28:25.769there for a while, it's kindof been a boring day or whatever,43200:28:25.809 --> 00:28:29.720and somebody finally stops and finally wantsto talk, or some I finally walks43300:28:29.759 --> 00:28:33.279over and stops taking information. Thetendencies for everybody to flock to that because43400:28:33.279 --> 00:28:37.559there's been no interactions. Right,finally, finally, it's like it's like43500:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.549everybody fishing at a pond, rightit this does happen. Everybody's fishing out43600:28:41.549 --> 00:28:45.509upon nobody's catching anything, and assoon as somebody catches something, everybody surrounds43700:28:45.589 --> 00:28:48.430that person in cast their right.They're pull in there, their line in43800:28:48.549 --> 00:28:52.990as well, right, or wererestrained enough that will just take photographs,43900:28:52.150 --> 00:28:56.180yeah, or victors are right,right. Or just watch them with it,44000:28:56.339 --> 00:28:59.460you know, with big guys,and none of that is a good44100:28:59.500 --> 00:29:02.660idea. You should really it shouldbe one person. Yeah, honestly,44200:29:02.819 --> 00:29:06.420that's that's the best strand yeah,I mean I'll say one person, or44300:29:07.099 --> 00:29:10.529sometimes we'll call him back up,especially if I was talking to a mom,44400:29:11.410 --> 00:29:14.250and maybe I'd gotten to a particularpoint in a conversation where I think44500:29:14.250 --> 00:29:17.089it would be more appropriate for awoman to be in that conversation. Yeah,44600:29:17.089 --> 00:29:18.809I'll motion for you to come over, and that's some of the strategy44700:29:18.890 --> 00:29:22.170to that. You guys can thinkthrough his hand motions. Like maybe,44800:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.759I know some people use walkie talkisand they might walk you talking through.44900:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.920Hey, I have somebody over yourstuff. Yeah, you could probably do45000:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.039that. Yeah, to me it'sa little awkward. Yeah, but I45100:29:33.160 --> 00:29:36.319think hand signals, I mean there'scertain hand seggals we use. As a45200:29:36.440 --> 00:29:38.829mom's walking into the abortion center andwe're using the microphone, we have hand45300:29:38.910 --> 00:29:42.190signals that indicate whether not a momis going in or coming out of the45400:29:42.269 --> 00:29:45.990door, whether it's a dad goingin or coming out of the door,45500:29:45.029 --> 00:29:48.509and so hey. But even likecarside hand signals, I don't have any45600:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.019special hand signal for that. Butif you see me going like that right45700:29:52.059 --> 00:29:55.900there, we did, then you'llknow that that I need help. And45800:29:56.220 --> 00:29:57.380Yeah, the the reverse can betrue. You know, if I'm talking45900:29:57.380 --> 00:30:00.180to a young lady, I mightcall you over at some point in the46000:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.500conversation. If you're talking to aguy, you might call me over because46100:30:03.740 --> 00:30:07.250more appropriate, I can maybe havemore of a man to man. You46200:30:07.490 --> 00:30:11.490have more woman to woman. Yeah, but yeah, typically, if I'm46300:30:11.529 --> 00:30:15.650going good in a conversation with somebody, I don't like when someone comes over.46400:30:15.650 --> 00:30:17.849They wanted, okay, try tocome over and offer their help.46500:30:17.930 --> 00:30:21.369I'm like saying me, though,because it can throw the conversation off complete46600:30:22.160 --> 00:30:23.559and we don't want to, youknow, we don't want to lose our46700:30:23.599 --> 00:30:26.440train of thought's easy for my trainof thought to come off the rails.46800:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.279I want to use my lose mytrain of thought and then you don't want46900:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.640to get that person that you're talkingto is you're engaging in a hard to47000:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.549heart conversation. You don't want themto lose their train of thought in that47100:30:36.630 --> 00:30:38.829connection, because I've seen situations,and I know you have to, where47200:30:38.829 --> 00:30:44.230you're engaging with somebody and somebody comesup and they're trying to help, but47300:30:44.309 --> 00:30:48.150it ends up derail in the wholeconversation and they drove on into the abortion47400:30:48.190 --> 00:30:51.539center. Right and right, right. Sure, we're in our strategy.47500:30:51.579 --> 00:30:53.940We're talking through that. Yeah,so in general, I think another good47600:30:55.059 --> 00:30:57.579part of that strategy is talk itover with team members. I have told47700:30:57.700 --> 00:31:02.940team members. I don't want youto approach unless I call you over.47800:31:03.140 --> 00:31:06.890I need to have that one.I'm on conversation. The Holy Spirit is47900:31:06.970 --> 00:31:11.809guiding that discussion and the relationship withsomeone in crisis, the aboardive minded mom,48000:31:12.490 --> 00:31:17.210is a tenuous relationship and who she'sgoing to trust? She yeah,48100:31:17.410 --> 00:31:21.720it's enough just getting her to trustthat one person. Yeah. So also48200:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.079just thinking about approach to because we'retalking in particular about somebody that's actually stopped48300:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.440to take information and your oneonone.We don't want everybody convergion on that vehicle.48400:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.630But even when you're offering literature,whether it's offering literature to vehicles or48500:31:34.670 --> 00:31:37.990women who are walking in. Yeah, if you've got two or three people48600:31:37.990 --> 00:31:42.670approaching that person at the same timewith literature, holding out the literature for48700:31:42.750 --> 00:31:45.269them to take it, they're goingto be less likely to take it.48800:31:45.390 --> 00:31:49.900Like that's pretty intimidate. Again,she's already scared, she's already got chaos48900:31:51.019 --> 00:31:53.539and confusion and if you got twoor three people coming and off your literature,49000:31:53.619 --> 00:31:57.220you're going to be really intimidate.It's intimidating like an army coming against49100:31:57.259 --> 00:32:00.769her. It's intimidating just to haveone person coming offer you something that you49200:32:00.849 --> 00:32:05.329don't know. As you're walking toyour appointment. You know your yeah,49300:32:05.369 --> 00:32:08.089your medical appointment, and the sameis true down the road. We have49400:32:08.250 --> 00:32:13.890a long portion of the sidewalk wherethere's several of US spaced out and if49500:32:14.049 --> 00:32:16.640every one of US steps out intothe road as the car is going by49600:32:17.319 --> 00:32:22.200offering information, that can also beoverwhelming. So we really kind of request49700:32:22.279 --> 00:32:25.440that just the person at the firstdriveway in the person at the second driveway49800:32:25.440 --> 00:32:30.349are the ones that step out ineven into the road. But it's good.49900:32:30.390 --> 00:32:34.109It definitely a good strategy to talkthat over with your teams to make50000:32:34.150 --> 00:32:39.269sure that they understand less is betterin those in those cases, always off50100:32:39.309 --> 00:32:43.750her prayer. Yeah, always offher prayer. I know I'm kind of50200:32:43.789 --> 00:32:46.740guilty of forgetting that. Yeah,prayer is kind of for me a last50300:32:46.819 --> 00:32:51.339resort. Shouldn't be. I'm alwayspraying while I'm out there, but in50400:32:51.460 --> 00:32:54.740terms of offering prayer to the MOMS, even sometimes at the beginning, that50500:32:54.940 --> 00:32:59.529can decrease barriers. Yeah, ifthey know, hey, they just want50600:32:59.529 --> 00:33:00.849to pray with me. How manypeople feel like that? Too Bad?50700:33:01.170 --> 00:33:05.730Right? Yeah, yeah, Imean that's one of the things actually you50800:33:05.890 --> 00:33:08.049can call out to the MOMS asare going into the abortion center. You've50900:33:08.089 --> 00:33:13.480kind of given them everything. Threetalking points. Yeah, whatever else you're51000:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.119talking to them. But one ofthe things that I've offered, and I've51100:33:16.160 --> 00:33:21.279seen it be effective. I've seenour sidewalk counselors here offers just let us51200:33:21.319 --> 00:33:24.359pray with you before you go inthere. If you're in a lengthy conversation,51300:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.750that's how I always want to inthe conver versation. Right I'm in51400:33:28.789 --> 00:33:32.069a lengthy conversation and I just hadjust the other day I was talking to51500:33:32.150 --> 00:33:36.190a couple. They were walking upto the abortion center. It was obviously51600:33:36.230 --> 00:33:38.630a young man and a young ladyand mother and father of the child that51700:33:38.710 --> 00:33:43.460she was carrying in her womb.And you know, I talked to him.51800:33:43.539 --> 00:33:46.779They were very humble and listening towhat I was saying, but still51900:33:47.140 --> 00:33:52.180pretty resistant to actually choose life.I was pointing them toward the mobile unit,52000:33:52.259 --> 00:33:54.019saying just up the road as amobile unit, my wife's a nurse52100:33:54.099 --> 00:33:58.369on board today. She'll give youa free pregnancy test and ultrasound. I'll52200:33:58.450 --> 00:34:01.849help you. Guys, and Imean they just they were very thankful.52300:34:02.450 --> 00:34:07.089They wanted at least to listen.Even one of the pro abortion ladies came52400:34:07.130 --> 00:34:08.130over and said you don't have totalk to them. They're like, we52500:34:08.289 --> 00:34:12.719know he's fine, we can makeour own decision to talk to them.52600:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.880Yeah, it's not, because itwas. It was really validating. It52700:34:15.039 --> 00:34:19.119was really frustrating, like leave USalong, you're the people there the same52800:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.559mind your own business and your yeah, that's that's a whole other subject.52900:34:22.599 --> 00:34:27.469But they they just weren't picking upwhat I was laying down. Yeah,53000:34:27.469 --> 00:34:30.510they were. Had some struggles andthey had some betrayal in the past and53100:34:30.590 --> 00:34:35.269he wouldn't trust that we would followthrough and we're offering and I think even53200:34:35.309 --> 00:34:37.030if they knew for sure, Ithink they were still just any way.53300:34:37.070 --> 00:34:40.500There's a lot of doubt there.And they said, well, we're going53400:34:40.500 --> 00:34:44.340to go in. I mean,thank you for sharing with us, but53500:34:44.539 --> 00:34:45.219we're going to go in. Andwhat can I do with that point?53600:34:45.699 --> 00:34:49.260I can't grab them around the anklesand say no, you're not going in.53700:34:49.539 --> 00:34:51.900Yeah, and so I said,well, just let me pray with53800:34:51.980 --> 00:34:55.050you, let me pray with youbefore you go in, and they said53900:34:55.130 --> 00:34:59.889okay, and so I did andI'm praying as we train our folks.54000:34:59.929 --> 00:35:04.250We're not praying with them. Actuallywe're praying at them. I'm praying reiterating54100:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.119all the things that we've made.Want to make sure that that God is54200:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.400saying and I'm appealing to the LordRight. Ultimately, it's the Lord's going54300:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.039to change their hearts. I'm appealingto God, but I'm saying things like54400:35:14.480 --> 00:35:15.760God, I pray you and I'llget their name. I'm not going to54500:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.440say what their names were, butI'll get their name if they'll give it.54600:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.150They won't, that's fine, yeah, but if I can get their54700:35:22.190 --> 00:35:23.190name, I want to pray withtheir name, and so I'll say,54800:35:23.670 --> 00:35:28.070Lord Jesus, I pray that soand so we'll see your love for them,54900:35:28.190 --> 00:35:30.550your love for their baby, theprovision that you've made for them.55000:35:30.590 --> 00:35:34.269I pray the God they'll see thattheir baby is precious in your sight and55100:35:34.389 --> 00:35:37.219to kill this child it will bewrong in your eyes. And I'll be55200:35:37.300 --> 00:35:39.139praying like that. I pray thatthey'll see that every need they have can55300:35:39.179 --> 00:35:43.420be met in the provision that you'vemade for them. And I'm reminding them55400:35:43.659 --> 00:35:47.420also the things that I've said.Yeah, and it can be very convicting55500:35:47.460 --> 00:35:52.809unfortunately, in that situation, theydid going into the abortion center and apparently55600:35:52.889 --> 00:35:57.530chose abortion. I'm not sure.No, that was the one where all55700:35:57.530 --> 00:36:00.969the missionaries are standing there and andElijah's standing with us saying, okay,55800:36:01.010 --> 00:36:04.960Daniels talking to a couple, don'tdon't look, and we're all yeah,55900:36:05.400 --> 00:36:07.079okay, thank so. That's whenwe're doing the side train. They came56000:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.239they so about. You were offway down the street. I'm talking,56100:36:12.280 --> 00:36:15.039I think, to one of thepolicemen. Okay, and that couple came56200:36:15.119 --> 00:36:16.920out. Wow, they came out. They chose life. They chose life.56300:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.989And that's the other thing. Aspart of your strategy, when when56400:36:21.070 --> 00:36:25.710they're as your strategue, jeans whateverthat were sharing, to jog right as56500:36:25.789 --> 00:36:31.389a team, know that it ain'tover till it's over, and and those56600:36:31.469 --> 00:36:36.980seats that you have planted, itwas perfect. You had done everything that.56700:36:37.260 --> 00:36:42.099They were a very conflicted couple andit was just the right amount of56800:36:42.380 --> 00:36:46.250whatever was necessary where they did goin, but very shortly it later they56900:36:46.329 --> 00:36:52.090came right back out and and wewalking, not I don't know you were.57000:36:52.210 --> 00:36:55.530You were off talking, having animportant conversation with with one of the57100:36:55.570 --> 00:37:00.489policemen at the time. But soI'm glad you shared that story in particular57200:37:00.530 --> 00:37:05.119because I remember it and it caughton two points. I actually texted you,57300:37:05.159 --> 00:37:08.519do you want help, and younever responded. So I figured,57400:37:08.559 --> 00:37:12.239okay, either he's not looking athis phone or he doesn't want to help.57500:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.000My tendency was I wanted to runover there, of course, like57600:37:15.119 --> 00:37:17.429you said, but I I knowwe should not unless we've been asked.57700:37:17.590 --> 00:37:21.510Yeah, so, and they endedup chosen, choosing life. Yeah,57800:37:21.670 --> 00:37:24.789that's also that was pretty, prettywonderful, which leads to the next point.57900:37:24.949 --> 00:37:30.019In strategy, and it is strategy. Don't grow weary or give up.58000:37:30.340 --> 00:37:34.739Don't give up. It's so easyto think they went in and so,58100:37:35.019 --> 00:37:37.420just like you said, so theymust have a board it. Know.58200:37:37.500 --> 00:37:45.489Sometimes we had someone last week comerunning out of the abortion center without58300:37:45.610 --> 00:37:50.690shoes. In other words, shehad been in the stir wow and had58400:37:50.769 --> 00:37:54.489changed her mind and was furious.So something had happened in there. She58500:37:54.730 --> 00:37:59.440didn't even wait to pick up hershoes. She actually drove away without shoes.58600:37:59.519 --> 00:38:02.039She did return and get her shoes, but here's someone who is at58700:38:02.119 --> 00:38:07.280that last second and and changed hermind. So you never know. Never58800:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.320give up. Never give up,no matter how angry they are, no58900:38:12.440 --> 00:38:16.710matter how many negative signs you've seen. God is a god of miracles.59000:38:17.190 --> 00:38:22.389Nothing is impossible with God, andwe should never grow weary in doing good,59100:38:22.710 --> 00:38:27.619the Bible tells us. Amen.So don't give up, don't grow59200:38:27.659 --> 00:38:34.099weary. Yeah, another strategy.WHAT SHOULD OUR DEMEANOR BE? And what59300:38:34.260 --> 00:38:38.500I wrote is approachable, gentle andkind, but truthful. Yeah, yeah,59400:38:38.860 --> 00:38:45.130absolutely. One of the things thatI say is the key to helping59500:38:45.170 --> 00:38:47.969a mom choose life is to havea one on one conversation with her and59600:38:49.050 --> 00:38:51.489really, if you can get intoa deep one on one conversation, find59700:38:51.530 --> 00:38:54.369out what her needs are, showher corresponding resources to meet those needs.59800:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.880That that really is a key tohelping her choose life. is but the59900:38:59.920 --> 00:39:02.599key to having a oneonone conversation withhers for her to approach you. Yeah,60000:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.639well, the key to her approachingyou is to make yourself approachable,60100:39:07.840 --> 00:39:10.869right. And so if you lookin your facial expression and the way that60200:39:10.989 --> 00:39:15.670you carry yourself, in body languageand all that, if you look like60300:39:15.789 --> 00:39:20.110a derange lunatic, that's just outthere mad, because abortions are taken place60400:39:20.150 --> 00:39:24.500inside of there. You're not approachableor frantic or or are just absolutely filled60500:39:24.539 --> 00:39:30.139with angst. Even even that canbe a deterrent. They can someone come60600:39:30.179 --> 00:39:31.860in and talk. So we wantto make ourselves as approachable as possible.60700:39:31.900 --> 00:39:37.460We should be, in our hearts, overcome with grief at what's going on60800:39:37.579 --> 00:39:39.969inside of those abortion centers. Butwhat's in our hearts doesn't always have to60900:39:40.050 --> 00:39:45.449show in our faces. And really, the truth be told, what's in61000:39:45.530 --> 00:39:50.570our hearts should be superseded by theLord Jesus and the truth of who he61100:39:50.889 --> 00:39:54.519is in our hearts. Right.So, even though terrible atrocities are taking61200:39:54.559 --> 00:39:59.039place, even though these precious babiesare done in these abortion centers, we61300:39:59.159 --> 00:40:01.880can still be joyful that Jesus Christis still Lord, that he's still on61400:40:02.000 --> 00:40:07.510his throne and he still loves peopleand we're still called to reach people for61500:40:07.670 --> 00:40:10.550his namesake. Right, a manthat can help us to make ourselves approachable.61600:40:12.469 --> 00:40:17.150So be assured that you have theanswer, because you do. Yeah,61700:40:17.429 --> 00:40:21.780and and that's again what's in yourheart. Yeah, your heart is61800:40:22.699 --> 00:40:25.780the Lord. Yeah, and,and he is the only one that can61900:40:25.860 --> 00:40:31.659change what's happening there, and you'reprobably the only one offering that out at62000:40:32.019 --> 00:40:40.250that last stitch place. Yeah,so utilize team members is another really important62100:40:40.250 --> 00:40:45.170strategy. Utilize your team members.There's some people don't have a lot of62200:40:45.210 --> 00:40:49.170sidewalk team members out there. Thereare times when we don't, but if62300:40:49.250 --> 00:40:53.719you do and you can use them, then do use them. For example,62400:40:53.760 --> 00:40:59.559you're talking as someone who they've expresseda need for house seeing and it's62500:40:59.559 --> 00:41:04.989a dire need. While you're continuingthe discussion with them that maybe is getting62600:41:04.989 --> 00:41:07.789into God, the humanity, thebaby, call a team member over and62700:41:07.869 --> 00:41:10.710say, can you start calling suchand such? Yeah, how seeing list?62800:41:10.869 --> 00:41:15.150Yeah, that's just one exam absolutely, there's lots of times when you62900:41:15.190 --> 00:41:16.989can utilize team member. Yeah,one of the things that you can utilize63000:41:17.070 --> 00:41:20.860a team member for. And again, we talked a little bit about not63100:41:20.980 --> 00:41:22.579having a bunch of people in theconversation, but you can get into a63200:41:22.619 --> 00:41:28.260point of a conversation where you feelcomfortable inviting someone else in. Hey,63300:41:28.380 --> 00:41:30.900this is a friend of mine.Invite her over to help make an appointment63400:41:30.940 --> 00:41:34.969for you at the pregnancy center.Sometimes you Dallas in a team member to63500:41:35.050 --> 00:41:37.969do that. Like, again,maybe you don't have them. Will ultrasound63600:41:37.969 --> 00:41:40.449unit out there? Hey, maybethere's not a pregnancy center nearby and it's63700:41:40.530 --> 00:41:45.050fifteen minutes away. It's good ifyou can call ahead, if you have63800:41:45.130 --> 00:41:46.880a good relationship, and that maybe a podcast. That that we need63900:41:46.960 --> 00:41:50.480to do in the future is howto build a good relationship with your local64000:41:50.480 --> 00:41:53.280pregnancy center right because that's really importantand that really speaks to the unity of64100:41:53.360 --> 00:41:59.880the body working together. And socalling ahead, having a good relationship with64200:41:59.960 --> 00:42:01.309them. And then so when youdo call ahead, Hey, I'm so64300:42:01.510 --> 00:42:05.110and so, I might here onthe sidewalk at the abortion center. I've64400:42:05.150 --> 00:42:07.949got a young lady. He wantsan appointment. Can we send her over64500:42:07.110 --> 00:42:10.389right away? And that just kindof helps her get locked into that appointment.64600:42:10.429 --> 00:42:14.550Hell ups, or feel secure thatyou actually have a plan and you64700:42:14.630 --> 00:42:16.340use your other team members to dothat so that you can continue in the64800:42:16.380 --> 00:42:21.420conversation, so that you don't losethis mom ultimately to think and she needs64900:42:21.460 --> 00:42:23.059to get into that abortion center.Yeah, because you can waste valuable time65000:42:23.099 --> 00:42:29.099while you're on the phone yourself whenyou should have been still continuing the convicting65100:42:29.300 --> 00:42:34.250conversation, conversation with that with thatmom. Absolutely, but we had a65200:42:34.409 --> 00:42:39.329situation just this past week where thethe mom stopped and said, well,65300:42:39.730 --> 00:42:45.400what about rape? I was raped, and we had a team member right65400:42:45.440 --> 00:42:49.920there who was a victim of rape, and so she came over to the65500:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.360car then joined the conversation and said, well, I was raped. Let65600:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.760me tell you about the joy thatis the child that I had and that65700:42:57.800 --> 00:43:01.429that turns that mom around. Soso utilize seeing the team members that God65800:43:01.510 --> 00:43:07.309is placed for often a very perfectand specific yeah, another situation that comes65900:43:07.349 --> 00:43:12.510to mind on that kind on thatsame vein is a situation where, and66000:43:13.780 --> 00:43:16.539we did a podcast. I'm referencinga lot of PODCASTS. We'd couse been66100:43:16.539 --> 00:43:20.179a lot of podcast to the plotof these SACAS. We did the podcast66200:43:20.219 --> 00:43:22.980about adoption. Yeah, and whyand why not to mention adoption? When66300:43:23.019 --> 00:43:27.019to mention adoption? Yeah, andthere are situations where you get into a66400:43:27.099 --> 00:43:32.610real deep conversation and you find amom is open to adoption and you can66500:43:32.650 --> 00:43:37.650speak on that in that line ofthought and be talking to them about the66600:43:37.690 --> 00:43:42.480different method of adoption in the differentadoption ministries and services that you can connect66700:43:42.519 --> 00:43:46.639them with. But if you've gotsomebody on your team who has adopted and66800:43:46.719 --> 00:43:51.559have gone through that process, utilizingthat team member calling him over there.66900:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.159And we had a situation where aJessica, who actually we did the podcast67000:43:54.239 --> 00:43:59.230with a couple of months ago,was on the sidewalk and there was a67100:43:59.309 --> 00:44:01.750mom at that point where she wasconsidering adoption. She actually had her daughter67200:44:01.869 --> 00:44:07.630that she had adopted with her.Jessica did Deskid, Jessica absolutely and she67300:44:07.789 --> 00:44:13.260was able to share with her theadoption story introduce her to her daughter and67400:44:14.019 --> 00:44:16.619man, that went a long way. Powerful. Yeah, that's so powerful.67500:44:16.659 --> 00:44:21.300So utilize team members. And thenthe final one, and this is67600:44:21.460 --> 00:44:25.730one of the most important, restassured that the Holy Spirit will do the67700:44:25.889 --> 00:44:30.210work. Yeah, I had anew volunteer today that she was calling out67800:44:30.250 --> 00:44:35.489for her very first time today andI said just say one sentence and I'll67900:44:35.489 --> 00:44:39.679take over after just one thing.And she said the one thing and then68000:44:39.719 --> 00:44:43.760I said now expand on that.Now say two things and said I'm just68100:44:43.880 --> 00:44:46.599so afraid I'll say the wrong thing. We hear that all the time.68200:44:47.000 --> 00:44:52.909I said, honestly, truly,the Holy Spirit will do the work,68300:44:52.510 --> 00:44:57.510even if you say the wrong thing. You're here in obedience to God.68400:44:58.110 --> 00:45:02.789You are fulfilling what he has calledyou to do. He will equip you.68500:45:02.869 --> 00:45:07.739Yeah, don't fear. Yeah,it's yeah. Amen. That's kind68600:45:07.780 --> 00:45:12.699of brings us back around to trustingthe Holy Spirit. Yeah, this is68700:45:13.019 --> 00:45:17.860a Holy Spirit driven work. Anythingthat we do for the Lord should be68800:45:17.940 --> 00:45:22.449Holy Spirit driven. Right, Biblesays that which is of flesh produces flesh,68900:45:23.130 --> 00:45:28.329that which is of the spirit produceslife. So we want to produce69000:45:28.449 --> 00:45:30.449life. We want to see JesusGlorified, we want his Gospel to go69100:45:30.530 --> 00:45:34.769forth, we want hearts to bechanged, lives to be saved, people69200:45:34.809 --> 00:45:37.920to be saved from their sin.Yeah, and it's not going to come69300:45:38.039 --> 00:45:42.639just through we've given you guys somesome practical strategies and the tips, and69400:45:42.679 --> 00:45:45.880they're good, but ultimately the HolySpirit reserves the right to supersede all of69500:45:46.000 --> 00:45:50.349this right and so you've got tobe led by him. You've got to69600:45:50.389 --> 00:45:53.269be walking with him. We alwayssay to our volunteers and to our side69700:45:53.269 --> 00:45:57.309want missionaries. You can't give whatyou don't have. So you need to69800:45:57.349 --> 00:46:01.110be walking closely with the Lord,be intentionally pray through and encourage our volunteers.69900:46:01.150 --> 00:46:06.059It's I want missionaries to pray throughthe whole armor of God, putting70000:46:06.059 --> 00:46:12.179on the armor of God and andthe Bible says that we can stand when70100:46:12.219 --> 00:46:15.059we put on the armor of Godand we can stand against the wiles of70200:46:15.099 --> 00:46:19.530the devil. We can stand againsteven our own flesh that sometimes wants to70300:46:19.610 --> 00:46:22.929take over, and in God willgive us wisdom in these situation. So70400:46:22.969 --> 00:46:24.489we would encourage you guys with that. Hoope this was a blessing to you70500:46:24.570 --> 00:46:28.809guys. Hope that you will sharethis podcast. 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