April 15, 2021

Three Main Talking Points

Three Main Talking Points

What do you say to a mother walking into the abortion center to kill her preborn child? There are, of course, many things that could be said but we have discovered what we think are the three most important topics to cover. Join us as we continue with...


What do you say to a mother walking into the abortion center to kill her preborn child? There are, of course, many things that could be said but we have discovered what we think are the three most important topics to cover. Join us as we continue with some sidewalk training and share what we believe are the three main talking points when reaching out to people going into an abortion center.

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.879 --> 00:00:07.750 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:08.230 --> 00:00:12.550 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center Prayer Life Podcast, and 3 00:00:12.630 --> 00:00:15.990 this episode we're going to continue to do some training and we're going to talk 4 00:00:16.030 --> 00:00:20.829 about something very important. Are Three talking points for sidewalk outreach. Stay with 5 00:00:20.910 --> 00:00:36.649 us. I felt show passish, touch your heart, use me. Welcome 6 00:00:36.689 --> 00:00:39.929 to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, listening. 7 00:00:39.929 --> 00:00:44.689 Appreciate you guys, sharing this podcast, leaving us an awesome review on this 8 00:00:44.810 --> 00:00:48.969 podcast, because we deserve it, because we're great and you know it right. 9 00:00:49.049 --> 00:00:51.159 So leave us a good review, all right, but don't know it, 10 00:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.200 we will tell you right right, will tell you how great we are. 11 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.320 Not We just try to, as best we can, humbly serve the 12 00:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.000 Lord and impart to you guys wisdom, things that we've learned and experiences that 13 00:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.510 we've had. We're trying to train you guys, those who are maybe have 14 00:01:07.709 --> 00:01:11.269 already been a part of our sidewalk training, trying to take it a little 15 00:01:11.310 --> 00:01:14.829 more in depth. Those who have not been a part of our sidewalk training, 16 00:01:15.390 --> 00:01:18.549 we're trying to wet your appetite for being a part of the sidewalk training 17 00:01:18.620 --> 00:01:23.379 and really going into depth on some of the different aspects, breaking down some 18 00:01:23.500 --> 00:01:26.420 of the different slides, some of the different topics that we cover in our 19 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:32.579 sidewalk training. We can't go into into too much depth when we're doing that 20 00:01:32.659 --> 00:01:34.730 training because it's like two hours and I think two hours is about as much 21 00:01:34.769 --> 00:01:38.849 as you can you can get in a zoom without people just totally getting worn 22 00:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.329 out. So we kind of thought, let's take those aspects and break them 23 00:01:42.370 --> 00:01:46.209 down for those who've been a part of the training, those who have it, 24 00:01:46.969 --> 00:01:52.799 to just train further, train deeper so that we can be as effective 25 00:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.040 as possible. That's the goal. We want Jesus to be glorified and he's 26 00:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.000 glorified when we bear fruit. He's glorified when we obey Him, first and 27 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.230 foremost, but when we obey him, fruit is born and we want the 28 00:02:05.349 --> 00:02:09.069 fruit to be as much and as beautiful as possible. So training helps us 29 00:02:09.110 --> 00:02:14.509 to do that. Amen. We're going to get today into what we call 30 00:02:15.550 --> 00:02:21.060 we say as we do the training we have what, why and how format. 31 00:02:21.219 --> 00:02:24.340 So what sidewalk out reach is, why we do sidewalk out reach and 32 00:02:24.500 --> 00:02:29.139 how, and often say that the how part is the meat of it. 33 00:02:29.620 --> 00:02:31.449 Right, it's where we get into the nitty gritty of how to do this, 34 00:02:31.530 --> 00:02:36.729 certain aspects of sidewalk out reach. But I say, if that is 35 00:02:36.810 --> 00:02:38.969 the meat of it, if the how is the meat of it, this 36 00:02:38.090 --> 00:02:43.330 is like the the really juicy part of the meat. This is like the 37 00:02:43.409 --> 00:02:46.759 really important part. And what we're talking about is the three talking points. 38 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:53.199 As we've looked over the years at just kind of the counseling that we do 39 00:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.680 on the sidewalk and how we minister to the Moms and dad's on the sidewalk 40 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:01.150 out the abortion center in the different aspects that we minister to them in really 41 00:03:01.189 --> 00:03:06.789 kind of what what is? I looked at it, what really kind of 42 00:03:06.830 --> 00:03:14.139 stuck out as there three main talking points, three topics or subjects, main 43 00:03:14.219 --> 00:03:19.580 areas, main areas that we speak from right and as we're doing trainings, 44 00:03:19.659 --> 00:03:23.979 we try to get this into people's hearts and people's minds at three different aspects, 45 00:03:23.060 --> 00:03:27.289 three talking points. So that, because people are worried, what do 46 00:03:27.370 --> 00:03:30.689 I say? Yeah, and it's overwhelming. There's so many things you could 47 00:03:30.689 --> 00:03:34.210 say. So how do you kind of organize it in an in your mind? 48 00:03:34.689 --> 00:03:37.969 Yeah, that it's easier for you to when you're out there in the 49 00:03:38.090 --> 00:03:42.840 high stress and tension of the sidewalk. You've got these three main areas that 50 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.520 you're going to pull from. Yeah. Yeah, and of course there are 51 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.759 other things that you can say, you can bring into the conversation, things 52 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.080 that maybe you're not necessarily within the framework of these three talking points. But 53 00:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.270 I think for the most part of the things that we've found that are effective 54 00:03:55.349 --> 00:04:00.229 to say to an abortion minded mom really found in these three talking points. 55 00:04:00.310 --> 00:04:03.710 Right. Yeah, and it's not like we come from a place of just 56 00:04:04.830 --> 00:04:10.699 opinion or, you know, something we may be thought might work. This 57 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:15.379 is from experience. This is from fifteen years experience of my part, eight 58 00:04:15.419 --> 00:04:19.420 years experience on your part. So combined that's a lot of years experience. 59 00:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.370 Twenty three me. I think that is exactly twenty three. That's that was 60 00:04:25.490 --> 00:04:29.930 that was a test and you pass. Good job. So math and sidewalk 61 00:04:30.009 --> 00:04:33.649 counseling. You're strong suits, won't that? Talented? Yeah, and so 62 00:04:34.529 --> 00:04:40.839 again we speak from experience. Yeah, and also from a biblical perspective, 63 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.000 and that's why our first talking point is what God says. Right. So 64 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.720 the three talking points. Just to let the cot out, of the bag 65 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.360 those who haven't been to our training. We even have this on the sidewalks 66 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.870 for life website as well. Yeah, I do wrote an article about the 67 00:04:55.910 --> 00:04:58.870 three talking points in it. There's a video there about those three talks and 68 00:04:58.949 --> 00:05:00.189 this, at hope, will be posted there. I wrote an article to 69 00:05:00.310 --> 00:05:06.740 a company just this this podcast. So those three talking points are what God 70 00:05:06.939 --> 00:05:13.980 says, the humanity of the baby and the resources available. Right, very 71 00:05:14.060 --> 00:05:16.220 simple. So, as you're calling out to a woman going into the abortion 72 00:05:16.379 --> 00:05:19.139 center, what are the things that you want to touch on with those three 73 00:05:19.180 --> 00:05:24.449 talking points? You want to touch on what God says, the humanity of 74 00:05:24.490 --> 00:05:27.850 the baby and the resources that are available. And you're talking to a woman 75 00:05:27.930 --> 00:05:30.730 one on one. She stopped, her car, pulled over and she's engaging 76 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.889 with you. She's coming to the abortion center, obviously, and you're having 77 00:05:33.930 --> 00:05:39.120 a conversation with her. What you want the conversation to will you really the 78 00:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.680 framework of the conversation to be? Well, it's what God says, the 79 00:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.600 humanity of the baby in the resources that are available. It's very simple and 80 00:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.430 it's very simple to a really tall all three of these points in together, 81 00:05:51.430 --> 00:06:00.709 they're really interwoven into a conversation and even you know, fifteen second pitch, 82 00:06:00.029 --> 00:06:03.269 so to stake, as they're walking into the abortion center. Will and all, 83 00:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.699 you have a better word than pitch and pitch or Speel, I don't 84 00:06:08.699 --> 00:06:12.339 know. Plea. Yeah, that's fifteen second. Plea yes to that. 85 00:06:12.459 --> 00:06:15.220 Woman. See here, you got good with words to not just math. 86 00:06:15.699 --> 00:06:20.329 Praise God. Yeah, you're fifteen second and fifteen second plea writ consider around 87 00:06:20.610 --> 00:06:25.449 Therese these three talking points. What God says, the humanity of the baby 88 00:06:25.529 --> 00:06:29.050 and the resources. And so I'll just give you, guys, an example 89 00:06:29.649 --> 00:06:31.730 of what I might say people as a what do you say in fifteen seconds? 90 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.240 I think I can cover this in less than fifteen seconds. Shack time 91 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.319 you maybe you should time. Okay, what are you thinking? I don't 92 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.000 have a secondhand. Oh I do. Okay, you ready? Yeah, 93 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.560 okay, here we go. Okay, Mama, your baby is precious in 94 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:46.990 the sight of God. He has a plan for you and your child. 95 00:06:47.149 --> 00:06:50.829 We have help available for you. Mama, your baby's heart is already beating. 96 00:06:50.870 --> 00:06:55.389 Please come over and talk to me. What's that? Wow, nine 97 00:06:55.509 --> 00:06:59.790 seconds, nine seconds. So touch them all. Three did you get off 98 00:06:59.829 --> 00:07:02.139 those talking points? Absolutely did. Okay, let's let's go through that. 99 00:07:02.300 --> 00:07:06.779 So, Mama, you're called the Ramma. Yeah, that's already kind of 100 00:07:08.139 --> 00:07:11.660 that's implying humanity. Yeah, yeah, there's if she's not a mom, 101 00:07:11.699 --> 00:07:14.180 if there's not a human involved, to be a human in there. Yeah, 102 00:07:14.180 --> 00:07:16.290 okay. What is your next thing? You're your baby's hard as already 103 00:07:16.290 --> 00:07:19.370 beating us and your baby is precious to the Lord. Are Your baby the 104 00:07:19.449 --> 00:07:24.930 where? God says yeah, maybe, and then entering God into the equation, 105 00:07:24.970 --> 00:07:29.250 right, your baby is precious God. God says, your baby is 106 00:07:29.290 --> 00:07:30.720 precious. Oh, yeah, what God says? Uh Huh. And then 107 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.439 we have help available. Please come over and talk to me. So there's 108 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.079 the resources. Now you obviously can't get very specific in fifteen seconds. No, 109 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.600 the point is to touch on if you can, and we try to 110 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.069 train our counselors at at least touch on each one of those areas. And 111 00:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.990 then every time you see that mom, you can expand. Yeah, absolutely, 112 00:07:49.029 --> 00:07:51.949 where she comes to talk with you one on one, obviously, then 113 00:07:51.949 --> 00:07:56.350 you can expand. Yeah, and one of the resources that I'll call out 114 00:07:56.430 --> 00:07:59.779 to. I didn't get to specific in there, but you can get specific. 115 00:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.500 Can say we have a free ultrasound right over here. We have a 116 00:08:01.579 --> 00:08:05.620 mobiltre saying it right there, or you could say if you have a pregnancy 117 00:08:05.660 --> 00:08:07.220 center in your area and you don't have a mobile unit, you can say 118 00:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.819 there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes away that will give you a free pregnancy test 119 00:08:11.899 --> 00:08:13.610 and free ultrasound. Because you had seven more seconds to play with. I 120 00:08:13.689 --> 00:08:16.290 had seven. Were against seven, six, up, six, e. 121 00:08:16.329 --> 00:08:20.529 There you go with your awesome math. Well, let's let me get an 122 00:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.329 example of you and you're fifteen second please. What would you say? Well, 123 00:08:24.449 --> 00:08:28.800 I said, I typically say, Young Lady, your precious child is 124 00:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.600 made in the image of God with a beating heart as early as seventeen days. 125 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.080 You can look at that beating hard on our free ultrasound parked on the 126 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.110 curb right now. Yeah, so your precious baby is made in the image 127 00:08:43.110 --> 00:08:46.070 of God. I want to get right away to a val you statement. 128 00:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.230 Yeah, of the baby, and that to me is the most significant value 129 00:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.830 statement. There may be others, but that's the one to me that that 130 00:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.139 really speaks to the value of the baby and why, at its crux, 131 00:08:56.220 --> 00:08:58.460 why that child is valuable before God, and it's because that baby is made 132 00:08:58.500 --> 00:09:03.820 in God's image. So your pressure baby made in the image of God with 133 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:09.139 a beating heart. So that gets into the baby's development as early as seventeen 134 00:09:09.259 --> 00:09:13.409 days. And we have an ultrasound parked right in the curb. Talks about 135 00:09:13.409 --> 00:09:18.490 a specific resource that we happen to have here in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah, 136 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:20.250 absolutely soon. And that was about fifteen seconds. You didn't time, 137 00:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.409 I mean I did time in my mind. It was actually twelve and a 138 00:09:22.409 --> 00:09:28.039 half seconds. Not Bad. Yeah, okay, have a built in clot 139 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.200 of had three more seconds worth of plea. Two and a half. Okay, 140 00:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.320 two and a half right. So, but great job. Okay, 141 00:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.590 thank you. Yeah, ok. Let's break down, then, these three 142 00:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.350 talking points. Okay, let's break down why. Maybe we'll get into some 143 00:09:43.509 --> 00:09:46.629 why, but really, in the what? What are we focusing on when 144 00:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.590 we're talking about these three Tagger points? And the first one is what God 145 00:09:50.669 --> 00:09:56.139 says? Now, right in that there's actually a lot right, because I'm 146 00:09:56.179 --> 00:09:58.620 thinking to my mind as I'm talking about what God says first, what God 147 00:09:58.700 --> 00:10:03.740 says about that baby. It's kind of like a voiced in my little please. 148 00:10:03.860 --> 00:10:07.889 Seven seconds, non second. Plea. Correct. That the value, 149 00:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.289 like you said, the value statement. Your baby is precious in a in 150 00:10:11.370 --> 00:10:15.769 the side of all right. So I'm introducing, of course, the humanity 151 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:18.649 of the baby, but also the fact that there's a God that has a 152 00:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.799 plan for that baby. So that's what God has to say about that baby. 153 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279 But also, I want to introduce, and if forget into it, 154 00:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.559 more in depth conversation, I'm introducing what God says about that mother, right, 155 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.399 that he loves her and he has a plan for her. Or, 156 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.950 you know, I could go in that direction. I can go in the 157 00:10:35.029 --> 00:10:39.870 direction. Also, God says that he sees what she's doing. That's what 158 00:10:39.990 --> 00:10:41.750 God has to say. Now call her to account. Yeah, exactly, 159 00:10:41.870 --> 00:10:45.909 that she's accountable to God. That's what God has to say, right. 160 00:10:45.950 --> 00:10:50.059 Yeah, and what God has to say about the sanctity of life all together. 161 00:10:50.539 --> 00:10:54.899 And he does the six commandment that shine not murder. So that becomes 162 00:10:54.940 --> 00:10:58.340 the more hard hitting yes, ch yeah, and I can introduce the idea 163 00:10:58.460 --> 00:11:03.289 that abortion is murder. Now I typically don't, well, typically I never 164 00:11:03.529 --> 00:11:07.970 lead with don't go in there and murder your baby, because I do think 165 00:11:07.009 --> 00:11:09.730 it's a nonstarter for a conversation. It's like, don't go in there and 166 00:11:09.809 --> 00:11:13.769 violently murder your baby. Please come over and talk to me typically doesn't make 167 00:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.769 me very approached, because I want them. I don't want to just deliver 168 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.480 information right. I want to get them to come over and talk to me 169 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.759 so I can help break down the information that I want to deliver. Yeah, 170 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.159 so in my fifteen second, ten fifteen second appeal or plea, I 171 00:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.070 want to provoke them to come over and talk, not just deliver information. 172 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:35.669 But if they don't come over and talk, I want to make sure the 173 00:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.830 information is sufficient to plant those seeds of truth right. And so I'll we'll 174 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.029 talk about abortion being murder. Typically, in my mind I'm thinking when they 175 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.899 get out of their car, it's a plea of you know, your baby 176 00:11:48.019 --> 00:11:50.220 is precious in the side of the Lord. God has a good plan for 177 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:52.419 you. By the time they get to the door, that's when I might 178 00:11:52.419 --> 00:11:54.940 actually get a little more tough with it. I might say, you know, 179 00:11:54.259 --> 00:11:58.299 don't go in there and take the life of your innocent child. In 180 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:03.129 that I'm implying what God says in his word, the sixth command you should 181 00:12:03.129 --> 00:12:05.929 not murder. And I might even say I'm certainly not against saying abortion is 182 00:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.450 murder, but I do think we need to be careful in the way that 183 00:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.210 when we're calling out that we're not calling out in such a way that we're 184 00:12:13.250 --> 00:12:16.840 just an accuser, right, well, just accusing them, yeah, of 185 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.519 being a murderer, I think, and I could be wrong, listen, 186 00:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.200 I've been wrong one time before, so I could be wrong in this and 187 00:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.960 I'm willing to be corrected. But I do think that throwing around the term 188 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.549 murderer is can be a little heavy hitting and not very maybe I'm being a 189 00:12:35.629 --> 00:12:39.029 Pansy, but maybe not very inviting, because I do want them to become 190 00:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.269 over and talk to me. I don't want to shut the conversation down. 191 00:12:41.629 --> 00:12:43.909 And here's one thing. I've learned it. I know you've learned it as 192 00:12:43.990 --> 00:12:46.980 well, because there are something like, once they go on that door, 193 00:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.620 they're done for. There's there's no there's no hope for them, there's no 194 00:12:50.740 --> 00:12:52.940 way they're coming back out, and so I want to him as hard as 195 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:56.580 I can. The reality is, though, about half of the MOMS that 196 00:12:56.659 --> 00:13:01.250 we've seen choose life have chosen life after they go in. If you look 197 00:13:01.250 --> 00:13:03.809 at kind of the flow of things at an abortion center, and I've read 198 00:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.889 reviews from abortion centers all over the country, so I know this to be 199 00:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.080 true, that once they check in, they're still about two or three hours 200 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.440 before they're actually going to have the abortion. Now, why they do it 201 00:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.200 like that, I have no clue, but it's a common theme. Yeah, 202 00:13:18.320 --> 00:13:24.799 I think they want everybody in there with all of the pre things that 203 00:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.509 need to be done done so that when the abortionist arrives, his or her 204 00:13:28.669 --> 00:13:33.470 time is used as efficiently as possible. Everything's already done. All he has 205 00:13:33.509 --> 00:13:37.750 to do is, I've heard, he just wheels from he's on a wheel, 206 00:13:37.789 --> 00:13:39.789 that wheeling chair, and just wheels from one little cubicups to the next, 207 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.100 just performing abortion following an abortion, because the women are all prepped, 208 00:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.460 everything's done and right. Yeah, I don't know if that's true, but 209 00:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.779 it makes sense that that. That's I've heard that that as well. Yeah, 210 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.700 abortion procedure takes like five minutes, right, and they can an abortion 211 00:13:52.899 --> 00:13:56.009 meal, they can produce abortions really quick right. The point is is that 212 00:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.490 you've got time to engage with them and just because they've come in and checked 213 00:14:00.529 --> 00:14:03.289 in for their appointment. I think if we shut the conversation down before it 214 00:14:03.409 --> 00:14:09.240 even starts by coming across too heavy hitting, then we shut down potential conversations. 215 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.720 That could happen, you know, an hour after they've already been there 216 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.960 two hours, or even after they've had the abortion. I still want to 217 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.279 have a conversation with him, or after they've taken the abortion pill. I 218 00:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.720 still want to be able to have that one on one conversation. So if 219 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.950 I hit too hard on abortion is murder and against that's that's what God says. 220 00:14:26.149 --> 00:14:30.350 God says abortion is murder. I'm not afraid to say that, but 221 00:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.149 I am careful in my language. Yeah, and so I don't typically actually 222 00:14:33.149 --> 00:14:37.350 use the word murder. I might use the word don't take the life of 223 00:14:37.429 --> 00:14:39.659 your innocent baby. And so, yeah, I'm applying innocence. I'm applying 224 00:14:39.659 --> 00:14:43.740 an action that they're doing, because I think abortion is murder could almost be 225 00:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.779 in these modern times, like a cliche sort of thing. It doesn't really 226 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.740 connect. I could be wrong about that, I don't know. What do 227 00:14:52.779 --> 00:14:56.090 you think? Yeah, now I totally agree with you. I think that 228 00:14:56.809 --> 00:14:58.929 as the day progresses, the more times we see them, they're going to 229 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.210 be in and out, many of them. I don't know if this is 230 00:15:01.370 --> 00:15:05.970 true at all facilities, but it's sure is true here. They're in and 231 00:15:07.049 --> 00:15:09.600 out a lot, going back and forth to their car. We're going to 232 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.759 have many opportunities usually to speak to them and we can also speak over the 233 00:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.000 microphone, which we know they can hear US inside the building. So as 234 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.509 the day progresses, I probably do become a little bit more heavy hitting. 235 00:15:24.509 --> 00:15:30.830 Yeah, but I do try to always keep in mind I want them to 236 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:33.389 come talk to me, even if they have already had the abortions, that 237 00:15:33.470 --> 00:15:37.740 we can give healing resources so that if it's the pill, we can encourage 238 00:15:37.779 --> 00:15:43.539 them to do the abortion who reversal. So yeah, I think that if 239 00:15:43.620 --> 00:15:50.289 you can speak the truth, but speak it factually but in love and as 240 00:15:50.649 --> 00:15:54.929 much as possible gently, they're more likely to want to reach out to you. 241 00:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.769 Yeah, and and to come no matter what has happened. Yeah, 242 00:16:00.490 --> 00:16:04.000 so that's yeah, that's not to say it all that we hold back on 243 00:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.879 the reality that abortion is murder, that we don't say that. I mean, 244 00:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.080 ultimately we've got to be led by the Holy Spirit. Yeah, and 245 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.519 there can be sometimes where it's appropriate just to say, and God will use 246 00:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.909 it, abortion is murder. Don't go in there and murder your child. 247 00:16:18.110 --> 00:16:23.230 Yeah, discounting that even seed situations where this is kind of a little off 248 00:16:23.389 --> 00:16:26.509 topic, in this. But it is what God says. When I've seen 249 00:16:26.549 --> 00:16:30.750 men addressed and being called out as being a coward, like you need to 250 00:16:30.830 --> 00:16:34.620 stand up for your baby, God says that you're a guardian, your protective 251 00:16:34.620 --> 00:16:38.019 of your family. You're not doing that's kind of heavy hitting, but I've 252 00:16:38.059 --> 00:16:42.580 seeing God use that to say babies. Yeah, and so certainly again, 253 00:16:42.700 --> 00:16:47.649 not against that. Yeah, I do think we need to be prayerful and 254 00:16:47.769 --> 00:16:52.090 thoughtful in the way that we don't careful. I instead of labeling in general, 255 00:16:52.169 --> 00:16:55.809 and I'm not always good at this because it is harder, but instead 256 00:16:55.850 --> 00:17:02.159 of labels, trying to describe factually, yeah, behavior like what you just 257 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.000 said. God has called you to protect a child. And and going further 258 00:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.279 along that line, you're describing the actions of someone who is courageously doing what 259 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.910 God would have him do. Yeah, and and that you know they can 260 00:17:17.109 --> 00:17:18.869 recognize. Hopefully, well, that's not what I'm doing, I must be 261 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.549 a coward. Maybe they'll come to that conclusion on their own and rather than 262 00:17:22.630 --> 00:17:27.430 having to say for me, having to say you are a murderer or what 263 00:17:27.589 --> 00:17:33.859 you are doing is murder, describe by being what happens to a living human 264 00:17:33.900 --> 00:17:38.539 being without anesthesia during an abortion, it accomplishes the same thing. You're talking 265 00:17:38.579 --> 00:17:42.220 about the dismemberment of a living human being, which is, yeah, you 266 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.609 know, horrific, and and they can come to the conclusion on their own 267 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.170 that that it's murder. I mean, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this 268 00:17:52.369 --> 00:17:57.250 in a past podcast, but talking about the what God has to say about 269 00:17:57.250 --> 00:18:06.000 the baby, and and I was describing the abortion and what happened and what 270 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.599 God says about thou. Thou shall not murder, and he never ever consider 271 00:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.470 thought that a mother should do such terrific things to her child. And he 272 00:18:15.670 --> 00:18:22.710 describes that is the reason why he sent the Israelites against the Canaanite nations, 273 00:18:22.750 --> 00:18:26.670 because they sacrifice their children to the fire. Anyway, the mom I was 274 00:18:26.789 --> 00:18:30.619 talking with it kind of finally just registered to her. Oh my goodness, 275 00:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.940 is what I'm doing. Child abuse was the word she used, but she 276 00:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.900 hadn't made that connection. But it was just describing what happens in an abortion. 277 00:18:40.940 --> 00:18:44.569 So I think that's kind of a long way of saying when you're talking 278 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:49.250 about what God has to say about the baby, if you can describe with 279 00:18:49.369 --> 00:18:52.650 that, you don't need to label. You can you can just talk about 280 00:18:52.730 --> 00:18:56.519 what God specifically says. Like ins one hundred and thirty nine, your example, 281 00:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.759 he paints what is clearly a picture of how he loves, knows has 282 00:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.390 a plan and a purpose and is intimately in love with and involved with that 283 00:19:10.509 --> 00:19:15.710 little baby. Then you've just told her just by talking through some one and 284 00:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.230 thirty nine and some of those verses, you've made it clear what God has 285 00:19:18.309 --> 00:19:23.069 to say about how he feels about that baby. Yeah, and Heaven Scripture 286 00:19:23.109 --> 00:19:29.180 obviously memorized and on your tongue when you're talking about what God says about any 287 00:19:29.180 --> 00:19:32.500 subject, is vital, because how do we know what God says about something? 288 00:19:32.539 --> 00:19:34.500 Yeah, I don't just invent it. Yeah, we get it from 289 00:19:34.500 --> 00:19:38.210 his word. Yeah, right, yeah, and so someone thirty nine, 290 00:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.529 verses, thirteen and fourteen, year or key, you form my inward parts. 291 00:19:41.569 --> 00:19:45.930 So what does God say? He formed your baby. Yeah, Jeremiah, 292 00:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.089 when five. I think these are pretty common scriptures that many of you 293 00:19:48.130 --> 00:19:52.369 guys that are Listening Tho. Yeah, but before I formed you, I 294 00:19:52.450 --> 00:19:55.519 knew you. God tells Jeremiah and set you a part as a prophet to 295 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.279 the nation. So what does that tell us? Says God formed him, 296 00:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.039 and God knew him. So the knowledge of God, that the relationship that 297 00:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.390 God even has to a preborn child. Yeah, that's that's what he says 298 00:20:08.430 --> 00:20:12.829 in his word. And so conveying these truth is really important, obviously coming 299 00:20:12.869 --> 00:20:18.029 from a scriptural perspective, and God himself presents to throughout the Bible, both 300 00:20:18.109 --> 00:20:22.380 the positive message, like as in some one and thirty nine, yeah, 301 00:20:22.900 --> 00:20:26.900 and the negative message that's shown a murder, yeah, and that there's a 302 00:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.700 consequence, a terrible consequence, to murder. So I think God's are model, 303 00:20:32.819 --> 00:20:36.089 Jesus is our model, and so we need, I think we should 304 00:20:36.089 --> 00:20:42.250 be presenting both, both sides of those but but doing it with, like 305 00:20:42.490 --> 00:20:47.730 you said, your focus in I want her to come and talk with me, 306 00:20:47.890 --> 00:20:51.759 right, because that's when I'm really going to be able to share truth 307 00:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.480 in depth enough that it's going to make a true life change. Yes, 308 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.480 yeah, a true heart change. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I 309 00:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.240 don't I don't dance around the issue. Right, if I'm getting in a 310 00:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.470 one on one conversation, I'm talking to a Dad, I'm not dancing around 311 00:21:04.470 --> 00:21:10.150 the issue and and just suggesting some truths and things like that. I'm getting 312 00:21:10.230 --> 00:21:11.509 right to it. Yeah, but in the key is. I want to 313 00:21:11.509 --> 00:21:15.829 have a one on one conversation with him and in the conversation I'll gage whether 314 00:21:15.829 --> 00:21:18.259 or not he's able to receive certain truths. And you know I'm saying is, 315 00:21:18.259 --> 00:21:21.660 I'm touching on. So if you have a bloody knows at the end 316 00:21:21.700 --> 00:21:23.660 of it. Yeah, because he's punched you out. You know, maybe 317 00:21:23.900 --> 00:21:27.220 you could soften them. Sure, that, sure, but I'm not against 318 00:21:27.460 --> 00:21:30.180 and I've done it. I know you have to. Yeah, calling out 319 00:21:30.259 --> 00:21:36.170 sex outside of marriage is fornication. Say is I'm in a conversation ministering to 320 00:21:36.210 --> 00:21:38.650 a guy. I mean just the other day I was actually in southern California 321 00:21:38.730 --> 00:21:42.490 helping some of our folks missionaries that are being trained up there. Yeah, 322 00:21:42.569 --> 00:21:45.089 and there was a young man that showed up there the plan parenthood, and 323 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.400 I could tell just in conversation. I guess this is something that you learn 324 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.400 as you're in conversations with people. You learn, like they're the cues on 325 00:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.200 their faces and whether or not they're able to receive certain truths, that this 326 00:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.319 young man comes. Everyone talks to me and he come to be a believer 327 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.869 and he said he was coming to Plant parenthood for condoms, and I said 328 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:06.470 okay, so your wife, you and your wife, are trying not to 329 00:22:06.710 --> 00:22:08.309 get pregnant, and he's like, well, she's not my wife. And 330 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.430 I said that because I was assuming that it was not his wife's claiming to 331 00:22:12.470 --> 00:22:15.420 be a Christians. It's so, yeah, so you're fornicator. Like so 332 00:22:15.500 --> 00:22:18.579 you're having sex outside of marriage. It's like really, you think that's that's 333 00:22:18.700 --> 00:22:21.980 right in the side of God. Now again, I didn't just throw it 334 00:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.059 that that out there is an accusation just kind of out of the blue. 335 00:22:25.099 --> 00:22:29.859 There was all this kind of a context to that conversation. As he shared, 336 00:22:29.859 --> 00:22:32.490 he was a believer. Yeah, I was able to come back with 337 00:22:32.650 --> 00:22:34.609 the word of God. You know, the Bible says that fornicators won't hear 338 00:22:34.650 --> 00:22:38.130 the Kingdom of God. Yeah, if you're a child of God, should 339 00:22:38.130 --> 00:22:41.970 you be involved in that sort of thing? And we actually had a very 340 00:22:41.009 --> 00:22:45.079 at length conversation. Got Him connected with some of our local folks there. 341 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.960 Hopefully he's going to get get things right with the Lord. We'll see him. 342 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.480 Don't know, but he knew. I just share that say I'm not 343 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.720 afraid to get into the the real hard truth, but I do think that 344 00:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.309 that timing is important right right. Yeah, but but Lord of mine, 345 00:23:03.910 --> 00:23:08.710 in that first area, introducing the concept of God, and in sexual purity 346 00:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.900 issues, in sanctity of life issues, in how he feels about the unborn 347 00:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.339 issues, when life begins? God's clear. Yeah, absolutely begins at conception, 348 00:23:19.460 --> 00:23:22.019 and he's known that baby and that Jeremiah one hundred and five. I've 349 00:23:22.019 --> 00:23:27.289 I've I've often wondered about that. That first he says, before I formed 350 00:23:27.329 --> 00:23:30.210 you. Well, that some one hundred and thirty nine has. Before I 351 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:33.930 formed you in the womb, I knew you. Or is that? That's 352 00:23:33.009 --> 00:23:37.410 a that's okay, my one. Okay, so for me, for I 353 00:23:37.569 --> 00:23:40.329 formed you in the womb. So I thought about that a lot, because 354 00:23:40.329 --> 00:23:44.319 what I'll say is God has loved you from the moment of conception. But 355 00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.079 has he actually loved us even before? Yeah, that moment of conception. 356 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.839 I'm not. I'm never quite sure how to phrase sure that. I don't 357 00:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.789 think you have to get into breaking down complex theological truths. I mean, 358 00:23:55.789 --> 00:23:59.390 yeah, getting the eternal mind of God and him knowing the end from the 359 00:23:59.430 --> 00:24:03.589 beginning and all of that. That's a conversation for another day possibly, but 360 00:24:03.670 --> 00:24:07.549 right there the m what's implied there is that he formed that baby and he 361 00:24:07.710 --> 00:24:11.700 knows that. Maybe, yeah, not from the earliest woman. Yeah, 362 00:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.900 from the earliest moment. And and that's key, that all those things are 363 00:24:15.019 --> 00:24:19.420 so important. And there there's many other the Bible is filled with versus that 364 00:24:19.500 --> 00:24:23.970 you can use. Yeah, and I think will labor this point of the 365 00:24:25.089 --> 00:24:27.970 three talking points more than any of the others because it's the foundation, right, 366 00:24:29.170 --> 00:24:33.329 like the humanity of the baby. Who even really cares if there's not 367 00:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.690 a God? That human being is no different than a dog or anything like 368 00:24:37.769 --> 00:24:41.759 that. And now I know that there's some from whatever persuasion they might be 369 00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.240 from, that will say you really shouldn't lead with God, you should talk 370 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.759 about other things. Humanity to the baby in the resources are not mentioning God 371 00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.869 at all. I've heard people question Raven not mentioning God at all. Yeah, 372 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:56.349 and I'm like, well, I could try that, but I promise 373 00:24:56.390 --> 00:24:59.589 you it wouldn't work because I love Jesus and he's in me and to not 374 00:24:59.630 --> 00:25:04.309 talk about God is pretty much an impossibility for me. But to tell me 375 00:25:04.470 --> 00:25:10.579 that I shouldn't lead with God talking about God, or shouldn't mention God because 376 00:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.339 it might push people's way. First of all, exponentially. That's not true. 377 00:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.700 Yeah, many of these women are praying for a sign. Man, 378 00:25:18.740 --> 00:25:22.049 these women are asking God, and I'm talking like even up north and out 379 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.730 west, where you think they don't, they don't have any knowledge of God 380 00:25:26.890 --> 00:25:30.250 or anything. They do. Everyone has a knowledge of God, and so 381 00:25:30.769 --> 00:25:36.359 we need to mention the Lord. Now do we need to be again sharing 382 00:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.400 complex theological truths? Not Necessarily, not in your fifteen seconds, running your 383 00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.480 fifteen seconds, but even in the one on one conversation is to get more 384 00:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.349 deep. I'm going to be centering the conversation around the fact that they're there 385 00:25:49.430 --> 00:25:52.789 to kill a baby. I'm not going to be getting into all these other 386 00:25:52.910 --> 00:25:55.470 conversations, but a lot of times that can be a distraction. I mean 387 00:25:55.509 --> 00:26:00.349 I've had conversations with men in front of the abortion center about the whole calvinism 388 00:26:00.509 --> 00:26:06.140 debate, calvinment, calvinism and Armanianism, or even the eschatology debate. Well, 389 00:26:06.180 --> 00:26:08.579 there baby is being slaughtered, you know, a hundred feet away. 390 00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:14.539 Might, yeah, I might brush real quick on an issue that I think 391 00:26:14.579 --> 00:26:17.740 might be helpful around that, but I'm going to always bring it back to 392 00:26:17.819 --> 00:26:21.609 their accountability to God what he says about their baby, what he says about 393 00:26:21.609 --> 00:26:25.930 them, all of that. So I say that to say that we do 394 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:27.970 need to be talking about the Lord, but we need to keep that conversation 395 00:26:29.170 --> 00:26:33.319 centered around what's happening right there. Yeah, that God doesn't approve of what 396 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.839 they're doing there, but he does love their baby, he does have a 397 00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.160 plan for them and they can trust him. Ultimately, what I want them 398 00:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.000 to do is to trust the Lord. Yeah, just step away from the 399 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.670 abortion clinic and take a step toward the Lord. Yeah. So next, 400 00:26:48.069 --> 00:26:52.470 the second talking point, okay, is the humanity of the baby. Right, 401 00:26:52.710 --> 00:26:55.430 we've talked about what God says, what God says about the baby, 402 00:26:55.549 --> 00:26:57.470 what God says about the mother, the situation, the decision to have an 403 00:26:57.470 --> 00:27:02.579 abortion, all of that. But the humanity of the baby is so important 404 00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:07.299 for us to talk about the humanity the baby, to us to really almost 405 00:27:07.299 --> 00:27:15.460 say we give personhood, because God gives personhood, but we express that that 406 00:27:15.660 --> 00:27:21.250 personhood. We remind these women that their mothers, that they have a baby. 407 00:27:21.690 --> 00:27:26.329 Yeah, you know, the personhood thing is interesting because the pro choice 408 00:27:26.730 --> 00:27:30.759 socalled pro choice movement, will try to separate out human being from personhood, 409 00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.680 that they're different. But that's a ludicrous separation. You know, a human 410 00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.799 being is a person and a person is always a human being. They are 411 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.680 they're really the same thing and there's just no denying that. From the moment 412 00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.950 of conception that baby has all the human DNA she will she will ever have. 413 00:27:48.470 --> 00:27:53.789 But yet the the purpose of the abortion industry is to make money killing 414 00:27:53.869 --> 00:28:02.059 babies and they are going to do that by helping the mother and society to 415 00:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.460 not believe that it's a baby. Yeah, for example, today, this 416 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.700 was a new one for me, for why someone should go get an abortion. 417 00:28:11.619 --> 00:28:15.809 We have a new pro abortion person out there who called out to them. 418 00:28:18.529 --> 00:28:22.490 You don't need to put up with mourning sickness, so get rid of 419 00:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.720 your morning sickness. Go in there, take care of your health, get 420 00:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.599 rid of your morning sickness. Yeah, not. No mention of of a 421 00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:37.759 baby right or or even a pregnancy. There is a symptom that universally we 422 00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.190 don't like. It, US women who bear children who have mourning sickness. 423 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:47.269 I remember it. It's rough. Yeah, but she reduced it, reduced 424 00:28:47.910 --> 00:28:52.190 this holy issue to get rid of mourning sickness. And that's what they do. 425 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:59.900 Yeah, sure, that's their attempt to sanitize what is really happening in 426 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.460 those horrible places. Yeah, so we have to, but we have to 427 00:29:03.819 --> 00:29:10.650 from the get go expose that. Yeah, absolutely, and the truth God's 428 00:29:10.690 --> 00:29:14.809 true. All Truth is God's truth, one preacher wisely said, and that's 429 00:29:14.930 --> 00:29:19.529 that's true. And so this this theological truth, but also scientific truth. 430 00:29:19.569 --> 00:29:22.849 Yeah, that a baby in the womb is a human being. Yeah, 431 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.880 listen, the science is on our side. Yeah. Yeah, and so 432 00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.640 we need to express this truth, we need to focus on this truth, 433 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.960 that it is a baby, is a life. Yeah, and I like 434 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.880 what you said, that the scientific sciences on our side. And I guess 435 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.589 in the first talking point, God is the focused. In the second talking 436 00:29:41.710 --> 00:29:45.549 point, really, the scientific evidence is is the focus for me. No, 437 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:51.430 feetal development and be able to recite yeah, major milestones, sure, 438 00:29:51.670 --> 00:29:55.619 because that right away puts the light to what the abortion industry is claiming, 439 00:29:55.700 --> 00:29:57.779 that this is a blob of cells. Yeah, not a human being, 440 00:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.859 right, not a person. Yeah, and it is really just the the 441 00:30:02.220 --> 00:30:04.059 pro choice lie that it's a Blob of tissue, a clump of cells that 442 00:30:04.140 --> 00:30:08.849 many of these women kind of latch onto, even though that whole lie has 443 00:30:08.890 --> 00:30:15.769 been debunked years ago. I mean we can look in none weeks, seven 444 00:30:15.809 --> 00:30:18.450 weeks, six weeks, even as early on an ultraside, even our early 445 00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:22.880 as six weeks, sometimes five weeks, where you can see a baby, 446 00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.400 very small, but you can see they're hard. That's beating right. Yeah, 447 00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.920 and we have to remind these women that they're carrying a human being in 448 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.759 their womb, not a blob of tissue or a clump of cells. And 449 00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.430 so, like we talked about in a previous podcast, we talked about information 450 00:30:36.589 --> 00:30:38.430 that's necessary to have, is, like you need to be informed of fetal 451 00:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.470 development, right, so that you can inform these women of the humanity of 452 00:30:41.470 --> 00:30:48.069 their child. Yeah, we always will focus on the heartbeat and because it's 453 00:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.019 a tangible thing, because it's something they can see. If they were to 454 00:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.700 look on the ultrasound, they can see very clearly. Yeah, and it's 455 00:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.339 an obvious sign of life. Now, I do not believe that life begins 456 00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.980 at the first beat of a heart, right. I believe that life begins 457 00:31:00.980 --> 00:31:03.809 at conception, but a heartbeat is one of those tangible things. Yeah, 458 00:31:04.089 --> 00:31:07.210 that really we can all connect with. Some one of the things that I'll 459 00:31:07.210 --> 00:31:11.930 say oftentimes somebody passes out in front of you. The grocery store. What's 460 00:31:11.970 --> 00:31:14.690 one of the first things you're taught to check? Right, their pulse. 461 00:31:14.849 --> 00:31:17.450 Right, they have a pulse, they have a heartbeat, the hardest beating. 462 00:31:18.250 --> 00:31:22.359 Therefore they're alive and there's hope. If they don't have a heartbeat, 463 00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.119 then you need to start cpr and chest compressions and all that stuff. Right 464 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.039 now. Their heart back beating? Well, your baby's heart is already been 465 00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.230 beating for several weeks and that's kind of the way we'll talk about it. 466 00:31:33.430 --> 00:31:37.710 Sure, and just again reminding them that their babies alive, that their babies 467 00:31:37.710 --> 00:31:40.750 are human being. Yeah, and an important thing for some of you knew 468 00:31:41.470 --> 00:31:44.589 sidebock missionaries, and you may not know this, but if the woman has 469 00:31:44.710 --> 00:31:47.539 missed her period, which is the first tip off to her she's pregnant. 470 00:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.019 Yeah, so if she has missed her period, that baby's hearts beating. 471 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.819 Yeah, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. Now I do. 472 00:31:55.180 --> 00:31:59.460 Yeah, but being able to say that comes as a shock to the 473 00:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.490 women, because some of them will go in and say, well, once 474 00:32:01.529 --> 00:32:07.769 it's heart is beating, I wouldn't kill it. Right, and because that's 475 00:32:07.769 --> 00:32:13.210 how they define humanity. Sure. So again we go back to point number 476 00:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.200 one. What God has say? No, God defines humanity from the moment 477 00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:23.319 of conception, if not before. But science certainly talks about the humanity at 478 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.680 the moment of conception. It has all the human DNA. But there's no 479 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.630 denying once there's a heart beating, most people admit yeah, okay, yeah, 480 00:32:31.670 --> 00:32:36.869 maybe it's a very little yeah being yeah, absolutely so being able to 481 00:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.269 throw that point out. I think it's one of the most important things, 482 00:32:39.470 --> 00:32:44.619 yes, say. And another subject kind of along the lines of the humanity, 483 00:32:44.740 --> 00:32:46.980 the baby, is what we talked about a little bit earlier as motherhood. 484 00:32:47.339 --> 00:32:52.099 And just heaven, speaking in terms of that, you're already a mother. 485 00:32:52.140 --> 00:32:55.299 Yeah, that implies personhood of that child. That implies you've got a 486 00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:59.130 baby, you've got your son or your daughter, and will refer to the 487 00:32:59.170 --> 00:33:01.890 baby in the womb as your son or your daughter rather than just it. 488 00:33:02.569 --> 00:33:07.009 Yeah, she he remember of your family, as I'll say that a lot 489 00:33:07.170 --> 00:33:13.079 is there are some ethnic groups that don't believe that a baby is a baby 490 00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.440 until they take their first breath, right, and so referring to that baby 491 00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.240 as a ment. But they're but they're very family oriented. Yeah, and 492 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.000 referring to that baby as a member of your family, because most people recognize 493 00:33:27.190 --> 00:33:30.750 you need to defend members of your family. So using those kind of terms 494 00:33:30.789 --> 00:33:35.990 can sometimes help to personalize it a little bit more. Yeah. Absolutely. 495 00:33:36.069 --> 00:33:39.470 Yeah, so I think we've we've labored that point enough. Yeah, and 496 00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:45.059 just jump into the last of our three main talking points. Yeah, resources 497 00:33:45.220 --> 00:33:51.259 that are available that we've already touched on, having a list of resources, 498 00:33:52.059 --> 00:33:55.529 especially your local pregnancy center, maternity homes, things like that. Yeah, 499 00:33:55.609 --> 00:34:00.490 informer podcast we've talked about all that stuff, and pretty in detail, to 500 00:34:00.970 --> 00:34:05.410 absolutely develop that list in everything. Yeah, and resources. Some of them 501 00:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.409 can be pretty difficult to find, but for the most part pretty easy to 502 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:12.679 find these resources. Just use Google, right, that's that's how we do 503 00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.639 it. Just find it on Google. Google it. If you're looking for 504 00:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.239 a maternity home, type in maternity home on Google, local maternity home, 505 00:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.079 eternity home, and whatever your city is, or different. You know, 506 00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.349 you can try different words are along the same subject and you can find different 507 00:34:27.389 --> 00:34:30.750 results. But I think one of the most important resources, and I don't 508 00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:36.829 I don't think I know the most important resource, is your pregnancy center, 509 00:34:36.949 --> 00:34:39.739 local pregnancy centers, having a relationship with them so that you can get the 510 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:45.059 women away from the abortion center and get them to a life affirming pregnancy center, 511 00:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.940 get them out of the battle zone and get them towards a place that 512 00:34:50.059 --> 00:34:52.530 will show them their baby on the ultrasound for free, and then get them 513 00:34:52.650 --> 00:34:58.690 connected with additional resources. Yeah, and so a scripture that comes to mind 514 00:34:58.769 --> 00:35:02.650 for this is psalm forty six, verse one. God is a refuge and 515 00:35:02.769 --> 00:35:06.730 strength, of very present help in trouble. That speaks of the help, 516 00:35:06.809 --> 00:35:10.679 the provision of God and of course that again introduces God into the equation. 517 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.599 What God says? God says he's made provision for you and for your baby 518 00:35:15.039 --> 00:35:21.199 and you can put your trust in him. Yeah, so resources an important 519 00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.670 thing. To show them that we're not just out there with words but we 520 00:35:22.750 --> 00:35:27.789 have tangible help is important. And the of course, there are those that 521 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.389 will be out there that will say, are you going to give me money 522 00:35:31.630 --> 00:35:37.659 for the college education? Are you going to give me Fiftyzero dollars so I 523 00:35:37.780 --> 00:35:40.780 can send this kid to college? I actually hear that a lot. So 524 00:35:40.900 --> 00:35:46.219 it is important to think in terms of resources. You are not obligated to 525 00:35:46.380 --> 00:35:51.289 have to offer the next eighteen years of that presence life, but if you 526 00:35:51.409 --> 00:35:55.050 can offer things that will help them, not solve their problem, but help 527 00:35:55.170 --> 00:36:01.570 them in the immediate areas of concern. That goes a long way towards them 528 00:36:01.809 --> 00:36:08.039 knowing you are trustworthy and that you are serving the God who ultimately is where 529 00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.079 you want them to transfer trust. So that to those people that say that 530 00:36:13.199 --> 00:36:19.030 sort of stuff, I will say at times things along the line of we 531 00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.389 do have help for whatever you're facing. We do have resources that can help 532 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:28.030 you, but even if we did not, your baby is still precious in 533 00:36:28.110 --> 00:36:31.389 the eyes of God and Abhorre or is still yeah, yeah, yeah, 534 00:36:31.389 --> 00:36:37.059 there's even we did a whole podcast gear or more ago about a pastor, 535 00:36:37.099 --> 00:36:39.820 Matt Chandler said something about it, where they are telling them not to kill 536 00:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.500 their baby and yet we don't offer them help. Then we got no business 537 00:36:44.539 --> 00:36:46.250 doing that. I'm paraphrase and it's probably a little little less like that, 538 00:36:46.409 --> 00:36:51.090 but the fact is, and I believe that's incorrect actually, and I agree. 539 00:36:51.170 --> 00:36:52.769 I believe we could stand out there on the sidewalk if I was dirt 540 00:36:52.889 --> 00:36:59.210 poor and had nothing but my voice and said please, don't take the life 541 00:36:59.250 --> 00:37:02.159 of your baby, I would still be perfectly justified in pleading with a mother 542 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.800 not to take the life of her baby. I don't need to have resources 543 00:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.360 to meet her needs in order to tell her not to kill her child. 544 00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.360 Correct. Yeah, if I do have resources, and thank God we do 545 00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.989 in the American church, there are so many resources that are available and so 546 00:37:17.150 --> 00:37:21.190 we can point them toward resources. I can say with confidence there's not a 547 00:37:21.389 --> 00:37:23.469 need that they have that we can't at least point them in the direction of 548 00:37:23.510 --> 00:37:28.150 a resource to meet that need. Right, but even if we came empty 549 00:37:28.230 --> 00:37:30.539 handed, yeah, we could be perfectly justified him. I mean there's just 550 00:37:30.619 --> 00:37:35.860 think about that. In the scenario if you're in Nazi Germany and you're pleading 551 00:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.260 with Nazis not to kill Jews, if somebody turns around and says, well, 552 00:37:38.260 --> 00:37:40.980 are you going to take all these Jews into your home? That's all. 553 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:45.090 You're right. Maybe I shouldn't talk against extermination of a particular it's a 554 00:37:45.489 --> 00:37:50.530 great bat. That is a great illustration of this point. Yeah, of 555 00:37:50.650 --> 00:37:52.010 course, but I do think it's an important point. That's all. We 556 00:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.010 have it within our three talking points. Hey, but I don't think it's 557 00:37:55.050 --> 00:38:00.599 the most important point it, although it could be the most appealing point. 558 00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.840 Yeah, it's the one that kind of what's the word Grease's this kids. 559 00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.880 It kind of it helps them to you've just offered them something tangible that they 560 00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.829 really do want, and it helps them to be more willing than to hear 561 00:38:16.030 --> 00:38:20.349 the other things you have to say. Yeah, it's kind of building that 562 00:38:20.429 --> 00:38:22.030 trust. Yeah, absolutely, so that you're able to speak about God, 563 00:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.670 you're able to have a more extended conversation because they see, oh, I 564 00:38:25.829 --> 00:38:30.539 get something out of this that I really want. Yeah, her need. 565 00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:34.820 Yeah, absolutely, in the Lord, I guess one since can play on 566 00:38:34.900 --> 00:38:39.900 that, that selfishness, and and use that ultimately to bring his truth and 567 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:44.010 to bring the Gospel into the equation. One of the ways that we do 568 00:38:44.170 --> 00:38:49.250 that is, like we shared some months ago, Cheryl Chandler came and shared 569 00:38:49.250 --> 00:38:52.610 about her ministry, Truth and mercy ministries that does baby showers. Yeah, 570 00:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.039 she does a baby shower. She's sharing the Gospel. Now, there's not 571 00:38:55.159 --> 00:39:00.039 this requirement that you have to listen to our message or you have to become 572 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.599 a Christian to receive our help. No, right, but if we're going 573 00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.199 to be throwing a baby shower, we're going to be doing your practical things 574 00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.119 to meet your needs. We want to be able to share. The reason 575 00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.590 why we're doing it's because of the Gospel. So that's why we prefer, 576 00:39:12.829 --> 00:39:15.469 if we're going to partner with ministries, if we're going to have a resource 577 00:39:15.590 --> 00:39:19.510 ministry like a maternity home or whatever, that they be Gospel centered, right, 578 00:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.590 because these women need the Lord. Yeah, and so that's our three 579 00:39:22.630 --> 00:39:25.300 talking points. Yeah, it's thank you. Pretty much wrapped it up for 580 00:39:25.420 --> 00:39:29.420 you guys. Yeah, and hopefully that was an encouragement and a blessing. 581 00:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.139 This article will be out on our sidewalks for life websites. You can read 582 00:39:32.179 --> 00:39:37.900 through this. If you prefer to read, then certainly we want you to 583 00:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.570 read that. If you don't know how to read, like me, you 584 00:39:39.650 --> 00:39:45.010 can just listen to this podcast again and again and again and be well equipped 585 00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:50.889 with these three talking points. But I think we always offer our email address 586 00:39:50.929 --> 00:39:52.239 for you guys. So certainly if you want to reach out to us you 587 00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.679 have suggestions for few future podcast or some input on this podcast episode, we'd 588 00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.360 certainly love to hear it. You can reach me at Daniel at Love Life 589 00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.039 Dot Org. You can reach her Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. But 590 00:40:04.199 --> 00:40:16.550 until next time, God bless give me love for love, give me our 591 00:40:16.869 --> 00:40:29.900 love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too 592 00:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.380 precious in some you