Three Main Talking Points

WEBVTT100:00:01.879 --> 00:00:07.750I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,200:00:08.230 --> 00:00:12.550I am yours. Welcome to theGospel Center Prayer Life Podcast, and300:00:12.630 --> 00:00:15.990this episode we're going to continue todo some training and we're going to talk400:00:16.030 --> 00:00:20.829about something very important. Are Threetalking points for sidewalk outreach. Stay with500:00:20.910 --> 00:00:36.649us. I felt show passish,touch your heart, use me. Welcome600:00:36.689 --> 00:00:39.929to the Gospel Center prayer life podcast. Appreciate you, guys, listening.700:00:39.929 --> 00:00:44.689Appreciate you guys, sharing this podcast, leaving us an awesome review on this800:00:44.810 --> 00:00:48.969podcast, because we deserve it,because we're great and you know it right.900:00:49.049 --> 00:00:51.159So leave us a good review,all right, but don't know it,1000:00:51.320 --> 00:00:54.200we will tell you right right,will tell you how great we are.1100:00:54.399 --> 00:00:58.320Not We just try to, asbest we can, humbly serve the1200:00:58.439 --> 00:01:03.000Lord and impart to you guys wisdom, things that we've learned and experiences that1300:01:03.079 --> 00:01:07.510we've had. We're trying to trainyou guys, those who are maybe have1400:01:07.709 --> 00:01:11.269already been a part of our sidewalktraining, trying to take it a little1500:01:11.310 --> 00:01:14.829more in depth. Those who havenot been a part of our sidewalk training,1600:01:15.390 --> 00:01:18.549we're trying to wet your appetite forbeing a part of the sidewalk training1700:01:18.620 --> 00:01:23.379and really going into depth on someof the different aspects, breaking down some1800:01:23.500 --> 00:01:26.420of the different slides, some ofthe different topics that we cover in our1900:01:26.579 --> 00:01:32.579sidewalk training. We can't go intointo too much depth when we're doing that2000:01:32.659 --> 00:01:34.730training because it's like two hours andI think two hours is about as much2100:01:34.769 --> 00:01:38.849as you can you can get ina zoom without people just totally getting worn2200:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.329out. So we kind of thought, let's take those aspects and break them2300:01:42.370 --> 00:01:46.209down for those who've been a partof the training, those who have it,2400:01:46.969 --> 00:01:52.799to just train further, train deeperso that we can be as effective2500:01:52.799 --> 00:01:57.040as possible. That's the goal.We want Jesus to be glorified and he's2600:01:57.079 --> 00:02:00.000glorified when we bear fruit. He'sglorified when we obey Him, first and2700:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.230foremost, but when we obey him, fruit is born and we want the2800:02:05.349 --> 00:02:09.069fruit to be as much and asbeautiful as possible. So training helps us2900:02:09.110 --> 00:02:14.509to do that. Amen. We'regoing to get today into what we call3000:02:15.550 --> 00:02:21.060we say as we do the trainingwe have what, why and how format.3100:02:21.219 --> 00:02:24.340So what sidewalk out reach is,why we do sidewalk out reach and3200:02:24.500 --> 00:02:29.139how, and often say that thehow part is the meat of it.3300:02:29.620 --> 00:02:31.449Right, it's where we get intothe nitty gritty of how to do this,3400:02:31.530 --> 00:02:36.729certain aspects of sidewalk out reach.But I say, if that is3500:02:36.810 --> 00:02:38.969the meat of it, if thehow is the meat of it, this3600:02:38.090 --> 00:02:43.330is like the the really juicy partof the meat. This is like the3700:02:43.409 --> 00:02:46.759really important part. And what we'retalking about is the three talking points.3800:02:46.800 --> 00:02:53.199As we've looked over the years atjust kind of the counseling that we do3900:02:53.439 --> 00:02:55.680on the sidewalk and how we ministerto the Moms and dad's on the sidewalk4000:02:55.719 --> 00:03:01.150out the abortion center in the differentaspects that we minister to them in really4100:03:01.189 --> 00:03:06.789kind of what what is? Ilooked at it, what really kind of4200:03:06.830 --> 00:03:14.139stuck out as there three main talkingpoints, three topics or subjects, main4300:03:14.219 --> 00:03:19.580areas, main areas that we speakfrom right and as we're doing trainings,4400:03:19.659 --> 00:03:23.979we try to get this into people'shearts and people's minds at three different aspects,4500:03:23.060 --> 00:03:27.289three talking points. So that,because people are worried, what do4600:03:27.370 --> 00:03:30.689I say? Yeah, and it'soverwhelming. There's so many things you could4700:03:30.689 --> 00:03:34.210say. So how do you kindof organize it in an in your mind?4800:03:34.689 --> 00:03:37.969Yeah, that it's easier for youto when you're out there in the4900:03:38.090 --> 00:03:42.840high stress and tension of the sidewalk. You've got these three main areas that5000:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.520you're going to pull from. Yeah. Yeah, and of course there are5100:03:45.560 --> 00:03:49.759other things that you can say,you can bring into the conversation, things5200:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.080that maybe you're not necessarily within theframework of these three talking points. But5300:03:53.120 --> 00:03:55.270I think for the most part ofthe things that we've found that are effective5400:03:55.349 --> 00:04:00.229to say to an abortion minded momreally found in these three talking points.5500:04:00.310 --> 00:04:03.710Right. Yeah, and it's notlike we come from a place of just5600:04:04.830 --> 00:04:10.699opinion or, you know, somethingwe may be thought might work. This5700:04:10.860 --> 00:04:15.379is from experience. This is fromfifteen years experience of my part, eight5800:04:15.419 --> 00:04:19.420years experience on your part. Socombined that's a lot of years experience.5900:04:21.220 --> 00:04:25.370Twenty three me. I think thatis exactly twenty three. That's that was6000:04:25.490 --> 00:04:29.930that was a test and you pass. Good job. So math and sidewalk6100:04:30.009 --> 00:04:33.649counseling. You're strong suits, won'tthat? Talented? Yeah, and so6200:04:34.529 --> 00:04:40.839again we speak from experience. Yeah, and also from a biblical perspective,6300:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.000and that's why our first talking pointis what God says. Right. So6400:04:46.120 --> 00:04:47.720the three talking points. Just tolet the cot out, of the bag6500:04:48.079 --> 00:04:51.360those who haven't been to our training. We even have this on the sidewalks6600:04:51.360 --> 00:04:55.870for life website as well. Yeah, I do wrote an article about the6700:04:55.910 --> 00:04:58.870three talking points in it. There'sa video there about those three talks and6800:04:58.949 --> 00:05:00.189this, at hope, will beposted there. I wrote an article to6900:05:00.310 --> 00:05:06.740a company just this this podcast.So those three talking points are what God7000:05:06.939 --> 00:05:13.980says, the humanity of the babyand the resources available. Right, very7100:05:14.060 --> 00:05:16.220simple. So, as you're callingout to a woman going into the abortion7200:05:16.379 --> 00:05:19.139center, what are the things thatyou want to touch on with those three7300:05:19.180 --> 00:05:24.449talking points? You want to touchon what God says, the humanity of7400:05:24.490 --> 00:05:27.850the baby and the resources that areavailable. And you're talking to a woman7500:05:27.930 --> 00:05:30.730one on one. She stopped,her car, pulled over and she's engaging7600:05:30.810 --> 00:05:33.889with you. She's coming to theabortion center, obviously, and you're having7700:05:33.930 --> 00:05:39.120a conversation with her. What youwant the conversation to will you really the7800:05:39.199 --> 00:05:43.680framework of the conversation to be?Well, it's what God says, the7900:05:43.759 --> 00:05:47.600humanity of the baby in the resourcesthat are available. It's very simple and8000:05:47.720 --> 00:05:51.430it's very simple to a really tallall three of these points in together,8100:05:51.430 --> 00:06:00.709they're really interwoven into a conversation andeven you know, fifteen second pitch,8200:06:00.029 --> 00:06:03.269so to stake, as they're walkinginto the abortion center. Will and all,8300:06:03.300 --> 00:06:08.699you have a better word than pitchand pitch or Speel, I don't8400:06:08.699 --> 00:06:12.339know. Plea. Yeah, that'sfifteen second. Plea yes to that.8500:06:12.459 --> 00:06:15.220Woman. See here, you gotgood with words to not just math.8600:06:15.699 --> 00:06:20.329Praise God. Yeah, you're fifteensecond and fifteen second plea writ consider around8700:06:20.610 --> 00:06:25.449Therese these three talking points. WhatGod says, the humanity of the baby8800:06:25.529 --> 00:06:29.050and the resources. And so I'lljust give you, guys, an example8900:06:29.649 --> 00:06:31.730of what I might say people asa what do you say in fifteen seconds?9000:06:32.360 --> 00:06:35.240I think I can cover this inless than fifteen seconds. Shack time9100:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.319you maybe you should time. Okay, what are you thinking? I don't9200:06:39.319 --> 00:06:42.000have a secondhand. Oh I do. Okay, you ready? Yeah,9300:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.560okay, here we go. Okay, Mama, your baby is precious in9400:06:45.600 --> 00:06:46.990the sight of God. He hasa plan for you and your child.9500:06:47.149 --> 00:06:50.829We have help available for you.Mama, your baby's heart is already beating.9600:06:50.870 --> 00:06:55.389Please come over and talk to me. What's that? Wow, nine9700:06:55.509 --> 00:06:59.790seconds, nine seconds. So touchthem all. Three did you get off9800:06:59.829 --> 00:07:02.139those talking points? Absolutely did.Okay, let's let's go through that.9900:07:02.300 --> 00:07:06.779So, Mama, you're called theRamma. Yeah, that's already kind of10000:07:08.139 --> 00:07:11.660that's implying humanity. Yeah, yeah, there's if she's not a mom,10100:07:11.699 --> 00:07:14.180if there's not a human involved,to be a human in there. Yeah,10200:07:14.180 --> 00:07:16.290okay. What is your next thing? You're your baby's hard as already10300:07:16.290 --> 00:07:19.370beating us and your baby is preciousto the Lord. Are Your baby the10400:07:19.449 --> 00:07:24.930where? God says yeah, maybe, and then entering God into the equation,10500:07:24.970 --> 00:07:29.250right, your baby is precious God. God says, your baby is10600:07:29.290 --> 00:07:30.720precious. Oh, yeah, whatGod says? Uh Huh. And then10700:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.439we have help available. Please comeover and talk to me. So there's10800:07:33.439 --> 00:07:39.079the resources. Now you obviously can'tget very specific in fifteen seconds. No,10900:07:39.279 --> 00:07:42.600the point is to touch on ifyou can, and we try to11000:07:42.680 --> 00:07:46.069train our counselors at at least touchon each one of those areas. And11100:07:46.110 --> 00:07:48.990then every time you see that mom, you can expand. Yeah, absolutely,11200:07:49.029 --> 00:07:51.949where she comes to talk with youone on one, obviously, then11300:07:51.949 --> 00:07:56.350you can expand. Yeah, andone of the resources that I'll call out11400:07:56.430 --> 00:07:59.779to. I didn't get to specificin there, but you can get specific.11500:07:59.860 --> 00:08:01.500Can say we have a free ultrasoundright over here. We have a11600:08:01.579 --> 00:08:05.620mobiltre saying it right there, oryou could say if you have a pregnancy11700:08:05.660 --> 00:08:07.220center in your area and you don'thave a mobile unit, you can say11800:08:07.459 --> 00:08:11.819there's a pregnancy center fifteen minutes awaythat will give you a free pregnancy test11900:08:11.899 --> 00:08:13.610and free ultrasound. Because you hadseven more seconds to play with. I12000:08:13.689 --> 00:08:16.290had seven. Were against seven,six, up, six, e.12100:08:16.329 --> 00:08:20.529There you go with your awesome math. Well, let's let me get an12200:08:20.569 --> 00:08:24.329example of you and you're fifteen secondplease. What would you say? Well,12300:08:24.449 --> 00:08:28.800I said, I typically say,Young Lady, your precious child is12400:08:28.920 --> 00:08:33.600made in the image of God witha beating heart as early as seventeen days.12500:08:33.759 --> 00:08:37.080You can look at that beating hardon our free ultrasound parked on the12600:08:37.120 --> 00:08:43.110curb right now. Yeah, soyour precious baby is made in the image12700:08:43.110 --> 00:08:46.070of God. I want to getright away to a val you statement.12800:08:46.110 --> 00:08:48.230Yeah, of the baby, andthat to me is the most significant value12900:08:48.269 --> 00:08:52.830statement. There may be others,but that's the one to me that that13000:08:52.029 --> 00:08:56.139really speaks to the value of thebaby and why, at its crux,13100:08:56.220 --> 00:08:58.460why that child is valuable before God, and it's because that baby is made13200:08:58.500 --> 00:09:03.820in God's image. So your pressurebaby made in the image of God with13300:09:03.940 --> 00:09:09.139a beating heart. So that getsinto the baby's development as early as seventeen13400:09:09.259 --> 00:09:13.409days. And we have an ultrasoundparked right in the curb. Talks about13500:09:13.409 --> 00:09:18.490a specific resource that we happen tohave here in Charlotte. Yeah, yeah,13600:09:18.570 --> 00:09:20.250absolutely soon. And that was aboutfifteen seconds. You didn't time,13700:09:20.250 --> 00:09:22.409I mean I did time in mymind. It was actually twelve and a13800:09:22.409 --> 00:09:28.039half seconds. Not Bad. Yeah, okay, have a built in clot13900:09:28.120 --> 00:09:31.200of had three more seconds worth ofplea. Two and a half. Okay,14000:09:31.279 --> 00:09:35.320two and a half right. So, but great job. Okay,14100:09:35.399 --> 00:09:37.590thank you. Yeah, ok.Let's break down, then, these three14200:09:39.190 --> 00:09:43.350talking points. Okay, let's breakdown why. Maybe we'll get into some14300:09:43.509 --> 00:09:46.629why, but really, in thewhat? What are we focusing on when14400:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.590we're talking about these three Tagger points? And the first one is what God14500:09:50.669 --> 00:09:56.139says? Now, right in thatthere's actually a lot right, because I'm14600:09:56.179 --> 00:09:58.620thinking to my mind as I'm talkingabout what God says first, what God14700:09:58.700 --> 00:10:03.740says about that baby. It's kindof like a voiced in my little please.14800:10:03.860 --> 00:10:07.889Seven seconds, non second. Plea. Correct. That the value,14900:10:07.970 --> 00:10:11.289like you said, the value statement. Your baby is precious in a in15000:10:11.370 --> 00:10:15.769the side of all right. SoI'm introducing, of course, the humanity15100:10:15.809 --> 00:10:18.649of the baby, but also thefact that there's a God that has a15200:10:18.690 --> 00:10:22.799plan for that baby. So that'swhat God has to say about that baby.15300:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.279But also, I want to introduce, and if forget into it,15400:10:26.399 --> 00:10:30.559more in depth conversation, I'm introducingwhat God says about that mother, right,15500:10:30.679 --> 00:10:33.399that he loves her and he hasa plan for her. Or,15600:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.950you know, I could go inthat direction. I can go in the15700:10:35.029 --> 00:10:39.870direction. Also, God says thathe sees what she's doing. That's what15800:10:39.990 --> 00:10:41.750God has to say. Now callher to account. Yeah, exactly,15900:10:41.870 --> 00:10:45.909that she's accountable to God. That'swhat God has to say, right.16000:10:45.950 --> 00:10:50.059Yeah, and what God has tosay about the sanctity of life all together.16100:10:50.539 --> 00:10:54.899And he does the six commandment thatshine not murder. So that becomes16200:10:54.940 --> 00:10:58.340the more hard hitting yes, chyeah, and I can introduce the idea16300:10:58.460 --> 00:11:03.289that abortion is murder. Now Itypically don't, well, typically I never16400:11:03.529 --> 00:11:07.970lead with don't go in there andmurder your baby, because I do think16500:11:07.009 --> 00:11:09.730it's a nonstarter for a conversation.It's like, don't go in there and16600:11:09.809 --> 00:11:13.769violently murder your baby. Please comeover and talk to me typically doesn't make16700:11:13.809 --> 00:11:16.769me very approached, because I wantthem. I don't want to just deliver16800:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.480information right. I want to getthem to come over and talk to me16900:11:20.519 --> 00:11:24.759so I can help break down theinformation that I want to deliver. Yeah,17000:11:24.960 --> 00:11:30.159so in my fifteen second, tenfifteen second appeal or plea, I17100:11:30.279 --> 00:11:33.070want to provoke them to come overand talk, not just deliver information.17200:11:33.710 --> 00:11:35.669But if they don't come over andtalk, I want to make sure the17300:11:35.750 --> 00:11:39.830information is sufficient to plant those seedsof truth right. And so I'll we'll17400:11:39.870 --> 00:11:43.029talk about abortion being murder. Typically, in my mind I'm thinking when they17500:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.899get out of their car, it'sa plea of you know, your baby17600:11:48.019 --> 00:11:50.220is precious in the side of theLord. God has a good plan for17700:11:50.259 --> 00:11:52.419you. By the time they getto the door, that's when I might17800:11:52.419 --> 00:11:54.940actually get a little more tough withit. I might say, you know,17900:11:54.259 --> 00:11:58.299don't go in there and take thelife of your innocent child. In18000:11:58.539 --> 00:12:03.129that I'm implying what God says inhis word, the sixth command you should18100:12:03.129 --> 00:12:05.929not murder. And I might evensay I'm certainly not against saying abortion is18200:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.450murder, but I do think weneed to be careful in the way that18300:12:09.610 --> 00:12:13.210when we're calling out that we're notcalling out in such a way that we're18400:12:13.250 --> 00:12:16.840just an accuser, right, well, just accusing them, yeah, of18500:12:18.000 --> 00:12:20.519being a murderer, I think,and I could be wrong, listen,18600:12:20.559 --> 00:12:24.200I've been wrong one time before,so I could be wrong in this and18700:12:24.279 --> 00:12:28.960I'm willing to be corrected. ButI do think that throwing around the term18800:12:28.000 --> 00:12:35.549murderer is can be a little heavyhitting and not very maybe I'm being a18900:12:35.629 --> 00:12:39.029Pansy, but maybe not very inviting, because I do want them to become19000:12:39.070 --> 00:12:41.269over and talk to me. Idon't want to shut the conversation down.19100:12:41.629 --> 00:12:43.909And here's one thing. I've learnedit. I know you've learned it as19200:12:43.990 --> 00:12:46.980well, because there are something like, once they go on that door,19300:12:46.259 --> 00:12:50.620they're done for. There's there's nothere's no hope for them, there's no19400:12:50.740 --> 00:12:52.940way they're coming back out, andso I want to him as hard as19500:12:52.940 --> 00:12:56.580I can. The reality is,though, about half of the MOMS that19600:12:56.659 --> 00:13:01.250we've seen choose life have chosen lifeafter they go in. If you look19700:13:01.250 --> 00:13:03.809at kind of the flow of thingsat an abortion center, and I've read19800:13:03.929 --> 00:13:07.889reviews from abortion centers all over thecountry, so I know this to be19900:13:07.970 --> 00:13:13.080true, that once they check in, they're still about two or three hours20000:13:13.240 --> 00:13:16.440before they're actually going to have theabortion. Now, why they do it20100:13:16.559 --> 00:13:18.200like that, I have no clue, but it's a common theme. Yeah,20200:13:18.320 --> 00:13:24.799I think they want everybody in therewith all of the pre things that20300:13:24.039 --> 00:13:28.509need to be done done so thatwhen the abortionist arrives, his or her20400:13:28.669 --> 00:13:33.470time is used as efficiently as possible. Everything's already done. All he has20500:13:33.509 --> 00:13:37.750to do is, I've heard,he just wheels from he's on a wheel,20600:13:37.789 --> 00:13:39.789that wheeling chair, and just wheelsfrom one little cubicups to the next,20700:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.100just performing abortion following an abortion,because the women are all prepped,20800:13:43.139 --> 00:13:46.460everything's done and right. Yeah,I don't know if that's true, but20900:13:46.539 --> 00:13:48.779it makes sense that that. That'sI've heard that that as well. Yeah,21000:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.700abortion procedure takes like five minutes,right, and they can an abortion21100:13:52.899 --> 00:13:56.009meal, they can produce abortions reallyquick right. The point is is that21200:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.490you've got time to engage with themand just because they've come in and checked21300:14:00.529 --> 00:14:03.289in for their appointment. I thinkif we shut the conversation down before it21400:14:03.409 --> 00:14:09.240even starts by coming across too heavyhitting, then we shut down potential conversations.21500:14:09.320 --> 00:14:11.720That could happen, you know,an hour after they've already been there21600:14:11.840 --> 00:14:16.960two hours, or even after they'vehad the abortion. I still want to21700:14:16.000 --> 00:14:20.279have a conversation with him, orafter they've taken the abortion pill. I21800:14:20.399 --> 00:14:22.720still want to be able to havethat one on one conversation. So if21900:14:22.759 --> 00:14:26.950I hit too hard on abortion ismurder and against that's that's what God says.22000:14:26.149 --> 00:14:30.350God says abortion is murder. I'mnot afraid to say that, but22100:14:30.429 --> 00:14:33.149I am careful in my language.Yeah, and so I don't typically actually22200:14:33.149 --> 00:14:37.350use the word murder. I mightuse the word don't take the life of22300:14:37.429 --> 00:14:39.659your innocent baby. And so,yeah, I'm applying innocence. I'm applying22400:14:39.659 --> 00:14:43.740an action that they're doing, becauseI think abortion is murder could almost be22500:14:45.019 --> 00:14:48.779in these modern times, like acliche sort of thing. It doesn't really22600:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.740connect. I could be wrong aboutthat, I don't know. What do22700:14:52.779 --> 00:14:56.090you think? Yeah, now Itotally agree with you. I think that22800:14:56.809 --> 00:14:58.929as the day progresses, the moretimes we see them, they're going to22900:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.210be in and out, many ofthem. I don't know if this is23000:15:01.370 --> 00:15:05.970true at all facilities, but it'ssure is true here. They're in and23100:15:07.049 --> 00:15:09.600out a lot, going back andforth to their car. We're going to23200:15:09.639 --> 00:15:13.759have many opportunities usually to speak tothem and we can also speak over the23300:15:13.840 --> 00:15:20.000microphone, which we know they canhear US inside the building. So as23400:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.509the day progresses, I probably dobecome a little bit more heavy hitting.23500:15:24.509 --> 00:15:30.830Yeah, but I do try toalways keep in mind I want them to23600:15:30.950 --> 00:15:33.389come talk to me, even ifthey have already had the abortions, that23700:15:33.470 --> 00:15:37.740we can give healing resources so thatif it's the pill, we can encourage23800:15:37.779 --> 00:15:43.539them to do the abortion who reversal. So yeah, I think that if23900:15:43.620 --> 00:15:50.289you can speak the truth, butspeak it factually but in love and as24000:15:50.649 --> 00:15:54.929much as possible gently, they're morelikely to want to reach out to you.24100:15:56.210 --> 00:15:58.769Yeah, and and to come nomatter what has happened. Yeah,24200:16:00.490 --> 00:16:04.000so that's yeah, that's not tosay it all that we hold back on24300:16:04.200 --> 00:16:07.879the reality that abortion is murder,that we don't say that. I mean,24400:16:08.200 --> 00:16:11.080ultimately we've got to be led bythe Holy Spirit. Yeah, and24500:16:11.720 --> 00:16:15.519there can be sometimes where it's appropriatejust to say, and God will use24600:16:15.519 --> 00:16:18.909it, abortion is murder. Don'tgo in there and murder your child.24700:16:18.110 --> 00:16:23.230Yeah, discounting that even seed situationswhere this is kind of a little off24800:16:23.389 --> 00:16:26.509topic, in this. But itis what God says. When I've seen24900:16:26.549 --> 00:16:30.750men addressed and being called out asbeing a coward, like you need to25000:16:30.830 --> 00:16:34.620stand up for your baby, Godsays that you're a guardian, your protective25100:16:34.620 --> 00:16:38.019of your family. You're not doingthat's kind of heavy hitting, but I've25200:16:38.059 --> 00:16:42.580seeing God use that to say babies. Yeah, and so certainly again,25300:16:42.700 --> 00:16:47.649not against that. Yeah, Ido think we need to be prayerful and25400:16:47.769 --> 00:16:52.090thoughtful in the way that we don'tcareful. I instead of labeling in general,25500:16:52.169 --> 00:16:55.809and I'm not always good at thisbecause it is harder, but instead25600:16:55.850 --> 00:17:02.159of labels, trying to describe factually, yeah, behavior like what you just25700:17:02.360 --> 00:17:07.000said. God has called you toprotect a child. And and going further25800:17:07.039 --> 00:17:11.279along that line, you're describing theactions of someone who is courageously doing what25900:17:11.319 --> 00:17:15.910God would have him do. Yeah, and and that you know they can26000:17:17.109 --> 00:17:18.869recognize. Hopefully, well, that'snot what I'm doing, I must be26100:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.549a coward. Maybe they'll come tothat conclusion on their own and rather than26200:17:22.630 --> 00:17:27.430having to say for me, havingto say you are a murderer or what26300:17:27.589 --> 00:17:33.859you are doing is murder, describeby being what happens to a living human26400:17:33.900 --> 00:17:38.539being without anesthesia during an abortion,it accomplishes the same thing. You're talking26500:17:38.579 --> 00:17:42.220about the dismemberment of a living humanbeing, which is, yeah, you26600:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.609know, horrific, and and theycan come to the conclusion on their own26700:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.170that that it's murder. I mean, I'm not sure if I've mentioned this26800:17:52.369 --> 00:17:57.250in a past podcast, but talkingabout the what God has to say about26900:17:57.250 --> 00:18:06.000the baby, and and I wasdescribing the abortion and what happened and what27000:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.599God says about thou. Thou shallnot murder, and he never ever consider27100:18:11.680 --> 00:18:15.470thought that a mother should do suchterrific things to her child. And he27200:18:15.670 --> 00:18:22.710describes that is the reason why hesent the Israelites against the Canaanite nations,27300:18:22.750 --> 00:18:26.670because they sacrifice their children to thefire. Anyway, the mom I was27400:18:26.789 --> 00:18:30.619talking with it kind of finally justregistered to her. Oh my goodness,27500:18:30.660 --> 00:18:36.940is what I'm doing. Child abusewas the word she used, but she27600:18:37.019 --> 00:18:40.900hadn't made that connection. But itwas just describing what happens in an abortion.27700:18:40.940 --> 00:18:44.569So I think that's kind of along way of saying when you're talking27800:18:44.650 --> 00:18:49.250about what God has to say aboutthe baby, if you can describe with27900:18:49.369 --> 00:18:52.650that, you don't need to label. You can you can just talk about28000:18:52.730 --> 00:18:56.519what God specifically says. Like insone hundred and thirty nine, your example,28100:18:57.200 --> 00:19:03.759he paints what is clearly a pictureof how he loves, knows has28200:19:03.839 --> 00:19:10.390a plan and a purpose and isintimately in love with and involved with that28300:19:10.509 --> 00:19:15.710little baby. Then you've just toldher just by talking through some one and28400:19:15.710 --> 00:19:18.230thirty nine and some of those verses, you've made it clear what God has28500:19:18.309 --> 00:19:23.069to say about how he feels aboutthat baby. Yeah, and Heaven Scripture28600:19:23.109 --> 00:19:29.180obviously memorized and on your tongue whenyou're talking about what God says about any28700:19:29.180 --> 00:19:32.500subject, is vital, because howdo we know what God says about something?28800:19:32.539 --> 00:19:34.500Yeah, I don't just invent it. Yeah, we get it from28900:19:34.500 --> 00:19:38.210his word. Yeah, right,yeah, and so someone thirty nine,29000:19:38.210 --> 00:19:41.529verses, thirteen and fourteen, yearor key, you form my inward parts.29100:19:41.569 --> 00:19:45.930So what does God say? Heformed your baby. Yeah, Jeremiah,29200:19:45.049 --> 00:19:48.089when five. I think these arepretty common scriptures that many of you29300:19:48.130 --> 00:19:52.369guys that are Listening Tho. Yeah, but before I formed you, I29400:19:52.450 --> 00:19:55.519knew you. God tells Jeremiah andset you a part as a prophet to29500:19:55.559 --> 00:19:59.279the nation. So what does thattell us? Says God formed him,29600:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.039and God knew him. So theknowledge of God, that the relationship that29700:20:03.160 --> 00:20:08.390God even has to a preborn child. Yeah, that's that's what he says29800:20:08.430 --> 00:20:12.829in his word. And so conveyingthese truth is really important, obviously coming29900:20:12.869 --> 00:20:18.029from a scriptural perspective, and Godhimself presents to throughout the Bible, both30000:20:18.109 --> 00:20:22.380the positive message, like as insome one and thirty nine, yeah,30100:20:22.900 --> 00:20:26.900and the negative message that's shown amurder, yeah, and that there's a30200:20:27.059 --> 00:20:32.700consequence, a terrible consequence, tomurder. So I think God's are model,30300:20:32.819 --> 00:20:36.089Jesus is our model, and sowe need, I think we should30400:20:36.089 --> 00:20:42.250be presenting both, both sides ofthose but but doing it with, like30500:20:42.490 --> 00:20:47.730you said, your focus in Iwant her to come and talk with me,30600:20:47.890 --> 00:20:51.759right, because that's when I'm reallygoing to be able to share truth30700:20:51.839 --> 00:20:55.480in depth enough that it's going tomake a true life change. Yes,30800:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.480yeah, a true heart change.Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, and I30900:20:57.519 --> 00:21:02.240don't I don't dance around the issue. Right, if I'm getting in a31000:21:02.279 --> 00:21:04.470one on one conversation, I'm talkingto a Dad, I'm not dancing around31100:21:04.470 --> 00:21:10.150the issue and and just suggesting sometruths and things like that. I'm getting31200:21:10.230 --> 00:21:11.509right to it. Yeah, butin the key is. I want to31300:21:11.509 --> 00:21:15.829have a one on one conversation withhim and in the conversation I'll gage whether31400:21:15.829 --> 00:21:18.259or not he's able to receive certaintruths. And you know I'm saying is,31500:21:18.259 --> 00:21:21.660I'm touching on. So if youhave a bloody knows at the end31600:21:21.700 --> 00:21:23.660of it. Yeah, because he'spunched you out. You know, maybe31700:21:23.900 --> 00:21:27.220you could soften them. Sure,that, sure, but I'm not against31800:21:27.460 --> 00:21:30.180and I've done it. I knowyou have to. Yeah, calling out31900:21:30.259 --> 00:21:36.170sex outside of marriage is fornication.Say is I'm in a conversation ministering to32000:21:36.210 --> 00:21:38.650a guy. I mean just theother day I was actually in southern California32100:21:38.730 --> 00:21:42.490helping some of our folks missionaries thatare being trained up there. Yeah,32200:21:42.569 --> 00:21:45.089and there was a young man thatshowed up there the plan parenthood, and32300:21:47.200 --> 00:21:49.400I could tell just in conversation.I guess this is something that you learn32400:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.400as you're in conversations with people.You learn, like they're the cues on32500:21:53.400 --> 00:21:56.200their faces and whether or not they'reable to receive certain truths, that this32600:21:56.319 --> 00:22:00.319young man comes. Everyone talks tome and he come to be a believer32700:22:00.799 --> 00:22:03.869and he said he was coming toPlant parenthood for condoms, and I said32800:22:03.869 --> 00:22:06.470okay, so your wife, youand your wife, are trying not to32900:22:06.710 --> 00:22:08.309get pregnant, and he's like,well, she's not my wife. And33000:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.430I said that because I was assumingthat it was not his wife's claiming to33100:22:12.470 --> 00:22:15.420be a Christians. It's so,yeah, so you're fornicator. Like so33200:22:15.500 --> 00:22:18.579you're having sex outside of marriage.It's like really, you think that's that's33300:22:18.700 --> 00:22:21.980right in the side of God.Now again, I didn't just throw it33400:22:22.059 --> 00:22:25.059that that out there is an accusationjust kind of out of the blue.33500:22:25.099 --> 00:22:29.859There was all this kind of acontext to that conversation. As he shared,33600:22:29.859 --> 00:22:32.490he was a believer. Yeah,I was able to come back with33700:22:32.650 --> 00:22:34.609the word of God. You know, the Bible says that fornicators won't hear33800:22:34.650 --> 00:22:38.130the Kingdom of God. Yeah,if you're a child of God, should33900:22:38.130 --> 00:22:41.970you be involved in that sort ofthing? And we actually had a very34000:22:41.009 --> 00:22:45.079at length conversation. Got Him connectedwith some of our local folks there.34100:22:45.119 --> 00:22:48.960Hopefully he's going to get get thingsright with the Lord. We'll see him.34200:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.480Don't know, but he knew.I just share that say I'm not34300:22:52.640 --> 00:22:56.720afraid to get into the the realhard truth, but I do think that34400:22:57.000 --> 00:23:03.309that timing is important right right.Yeah, but but Lord of mine,34500:23:03.910 --> 00:23:08.710in that first area, introducing theconcept of God, and in sexual purity34600:23:08.750 --> 00:23:14.900issues, in sanctity of life issues, in how he feels about the unborn34700:23:15.059 --> 00:23:19.339issues, when life begins? God'sclear. Yeah, absolutely begins at conception,34800:23:19.460 --> 00:23:22.019and he's known that baby and thatJeremiah one hundred and five. I've34900:23:22.019 --> 00:23:27.289I've I've often wondered about that.That first he says, before I formed35000:23:27.329 --> 00:23:30.210you. Well, that some onehundred and thirty nine has. Before I35100:23:30.210 --> 00:23:33.930formed you in the womb, Iknew you. Or is that? That's35200:23:33.009 --> 00:23:37.410a that's okay, my one.Okay, so for me, for I35300:23:37.569 --> 00:23:40.329formed you in the womb. SoI thought about that a lot, because35400:23:40.329 --> 00:23:44.319what I'll say is God has lovedyou from the moment of conception. But35500:23:44.480 --> 00:23:48.079has he actually loved us even before? Yeah, that moment of conception.35600:23:48.119 --> 00:23:51.839I'm not. I'm never quite surehow to phrase sure that. I don't35700:23:51.839 --> 00:23:55.789think you have to get into breakingdown complex theological truths. I mean,35800:23:55.789 --> 00:23:59.390yeah, getting the eternal mind ofGod and him knowing the end from the35900:23:59.430 --> 00:24:03.589beginning and all of that. That'sa conversation for another day possibly, but36000:24:03.670 --> 00:24:07.549right there the m what's implied thereis that he formed that baby and he36100:24:07.710 --> 00:24:11.700knows that. Maybe, yeah,not from the earliest woman. Yeah,36200:24:11.779 --> 00:24:15.900from the earliest moment. And andthat's key, that all those things are36300:24:15.019 --> 00:24:19.420so important. And there there's manyother the Bible is filled with versus that36400:24:19.500 --> 00:24:23.970you can use. Yeah, andI think will labor this point of the36500:24:25.089 --> 00:24:27.970three talking points more than any ofthe others because it's the foundation, right,36600:24:29.170 --> 00:24:33.329like the humanity of the baby.Who even really cares if there's not36700:24:33.369 --> 00:24:37.690a God? That human being isno different than a dog or anything like36800:24:37.769 --> 00:24:41.759that. And now I know thatthere's some from whatever persuasion they might be36900:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.240from, that will say you reallyshouldn't lead with God, you should talk37000:24:45.279 --> 00:24:48.759about other things. Humanity to thebaby in the resources are not mentioning God37100:24:48.799 --> 00:24:52.869at all. I've heard people questionRaven not mentioning God at all. Yeah,37200:24:52.230 --> 00:24:56.349and I'm like, well, Icould try that, but I promise37300:24:56.390 --> 00:24:59.589you it wouldn't work because I loveJesus and he's in me and to not37400:24:59.630 --> 00:25:04.309talk about God is pretty much animpossibility for me. But to tell me37500:25:04.470 --> 00:25:10.579that I shouldn't lead with God talkingabout God, or shouldn't mention God because37600:25:10.619 --> 00:25:15.339it might push people's way. Firstof all, exponentially. That's not true.37700:25:15.420 --> 00:25:18.700Yeah, many of these women arepraying for a sign. Man,37800:25:18.740 --> 00:25:22.049these women are asking God, andI'm talking like even up north and out37900:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.730west, where you think they don't, they don't have any knowledge of God38000:25:26.890 --> 00:25:30.250or anything. They do. Everyonehas a knowledge of God, and so38100:25:30.769 --> 00:25:36.359we need to mention the Lord.Now do we need to be again sharing38200:25:36.759 --> 00:25:41.400complex theological truths? Not Necessarily,not in your fifteen seconds, running your38300:25:41.480 --> 00:25:45.480fifteen seconds, but even in theone on one conversation is to get more38400:25:45.559 --> 00:25:49.349deep. I'm going to be centeringthe conversation around the fact that they're there38500:25:49.430 --> 00:25:52.789to kill a baby. I'm notgoing to be getting into all these other38600:25:52.910 --> 00:25:55.470conversations, but a lot of timesthat can be a distraction. I mean38700:25:55.509 --> 00:26:00.349I've had conversations with men in frontof the abortion center about the whole calvinism38800:26:00.509 --> 00:26:06.140debate, calvinment, calvinism and Armanianism, or even the eschatology debate. Well,38900:26:06.180 --> 00:26:08.579there baby is being slaughtered, youknow, a hundred feet away.39000:26:10.259 --> 00:26:14.539Might, yeah, I might brushreal quick on an issue that I think39100:26:14.579 --> 00:26:17.740might be helpful around that, butI'm going to always bring it back to39200:26:17.819 --> 00:26:21.609their accountability to God what he saysabout their baby, what he says about39300:26:21.609 --> 00:26:25.930them, all of that. SoI say that to say that we do39400:26:26.089 --> 00:26:27.970need to be talking about the Lord, but we need to keep that conversation39500:26:29.170 --> 00:26:33.319centered around what's happening right there.Yeah, that God doesn't approve of what39600:26:33.400 --> 00:26:36.839they're doing there, but he doeslove their baby, he does have a39700:26:36.920 --> 00:26:40.160plan for them and they can trusthim. Ultimately, what I want them39800:26:40.200 --> 00:26:44.000to do is to trust the Lord. Yeah, just step away from the39900:26:44.039 --> 00:26:48.670abortion clinic and take a step towardthe Lord. Yeah. So next,40000:26:48.069 --> 00:26:52.470the second talking point, okay,is the humanity of the baby. Right,40100:26:52.710 --> 00:26:55.430we've talked about what God says,what God says about the baby,40200:26:55.549 --> 00:26:57.470what God says about the mother,the situation, the decision to have an40300:26:57.470 --> 00:27:02.579abortion, all of that. Butthe humanity of the baby is so important40400:27:02.779 --> 00:27:07.299for us to talk about the humanitythe baby, to us to really almost40500:27:07.299 --> 00:27:15.460say we give personhood, because Godgives personhood, but we express that that40600:27:15.660 --> 00:27:21.250personhood. We remind these women thattheir mothers, that they have a baby.40700:27:21.690 --> 00:27:26.329Yeah, you know, the personhoodthing is interesting because the pro choice40800:27:26.730 --> 00:27:30.759socalled pro choice movement, will tryto separate out human being from personhood,40900:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.680that they're different. But that's aludicrous separation. You know, a human41000:27:34.759 --> 00:27:38.799being is a person and a personis always a human being. They are41100:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.680they're really the same thing and there'sjust no denying that. From the moment41200:27:42.759 --> 00:27:47.950of conception that baby has all thehuman DNA she will she will ever have.41300:27:48.470 --> 00:27:53.789But yet the the purpose of theabortion industry is to make money killing41400:27:53.869 --> 00:28:02.059babies and they are going to dothat by helping the mother and society to41500:28:02.220 --> 00:28:06.460not believe that it's a baby.Yeah, for example, today, this41600:28:06.900 --> 00:28:10.700was a new one for me,for why someone should go get an abortion.41700:28:11.619 --> 00:28:15.809We have a new pro abortion personout there who called out to them.41800:28:18.529 --> 00:28:22.490You don't need to put up withmourning sickness, so get rid of41900:28:22.569 --> 00:28:26.720your morning sickness. Go in there, take care of your health, get42000:28:26.759 --> 00:28:30.599rid of your morning sickness. Yeah, not. No mention of of a42100:28:30.759 --> 00:28:37.759baby right or or even a pregnancy. There is a symptom that universally we42200:28:37.880 --> 00:28:41.190don't like. It, US womenwho bear children who have mourning sickness.42300:28:41.230 --> 00:28:47.269I remember it. It's rough.Yeah, but she reduced it, reduced42400:28:47.910 --> 00:28:52.190this holy issue to get rid ofmourning sickness. And that's what they do.42500:28:52.710 --> 00:28:59.900Yeah, sure, that's their attemptto sanitize what is really happening in42600:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.460those horrible places. Yeah, sowe have to, but we have to42700:29:03.819 --> 00:29:10.650from the get go expose that.Yeah, absolutely, and the truth God's42800:29:10.690 --> 00:29:14.809true. All Truth is God's truth, one preacher wisely said, and that's42900:29:14.930 --> 00:29:19.529that's true. And so this thistheological truth, but also scientific truth.43000:29:19.569 --> 00:29:22.849Yeah, that a baby in thewomb is a human being. Yeah,43100:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.880listen, the science is on ourside. Yeah. Yeah, and so43200:29:26.960 --> 00:29:29.640we need to express this truth,we need to focus on this truth,43300:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.960that it is a baby, isa life. Yeah, and I like43400:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.880what you said, that the scientificsciences on our side. And I guess43500:29:37.119 --> 00:29:41.589in the first talking point, Godis the focused. In the second talking43600:29:41.710 --> 00:29:45.549point, really, the scientific evidenceis is the focus for me. No,43700:29:45.750 --> 00:29:51.430feetal development and be able to reciteyeah, major milestones, sure,43800:29:51.670 --> 00:29:55.619because that right away puts the lightto what the abortion industry is claiming,43900:29:55.700 --> 00:29:57.779that this is a blob of cells. Yeah, not a human being,44000:29:57.900 --> 00:30:00.859right, not a person. Yeah, and it is really just the the44100:30:02.220 --> 00:30:04.059pro choice lie that it's a Blobof tissue, a clump of cells that44200:30:04.140 --> 00:30:08.849many of these women kind of latchonto, even though that whole lie has44300:30:08.890 --> 00:30:15.769been debunked years ago. I meanwe can look in none weeks, seven44400:30:15.809 --> 00:30:18.450weeks, six weeks, even asearly on an ultraside, even our early44500:30:18.529 --> 00:30:22.880as six weeks, sometimes five weeks, where you can see a baby,44600:30:22.359 --> 00:30:26.400very small, but you can seethey're hard. That's beating right. Yeah,44700:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.920and we have to remind these womenthat they're carrying a human being in44800:30:30.039 --> 00:30:32.759their womb, not a blob oftissue or a clump of cells. And44900:30:32.839 --> 00:30:36.430so, like we talked about ina previous podcast, we talked about information45000:30:36.589 --> 00:30:38.430that's necessary to have, is,like you need to be informed of fetal45100:30:38.470 --> 00:30:41.470development, right, so that youcan inform these women of the humanity of45200:30:41.470 --> 00:30:48.069their child. Yeah, we alwayswill focus on the heartbeat and because it's45300:30:48.069 --> 00:30:51.019a tangible thing, because it's somethingthey can see. If they were to45400:30:51.059 --> 00:30:52.700look on the ultrasound, they cansee very clearly. Yeah, and it's45500:30:52.700 --> 00:30:56.339an obvious sign of life. Now, I do not believe that life begins45600:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.980at the first beat of a heart, right. I believe that life begins45700:31:00.980 --> 00:31:03.809at conception, but a heartbeat isone of those tangible things. Yeah,45800:31:04.089 --> 00:31:07.210that really we can all connect with. Some one of the things that I'll45900:31:07.210 --> 00:31:11.930say oftentimes somebody passes out in frontof you. The grocery store. What's46000:31:11.970 --> 00:31:14.690one of the first things you're taughtto check? Right, their pulse.46100:31:14.849 --> 00:31:17.450Right, they have a pulse,they have a heartbeat, the hardest beating.46200:31:18.250 --> 00:31:22.359Therefore they're alive and there's hope.If they don't have a heartbeat,46300:31:22.359 --> 00:31:26.119then you need to start cpr andchest compressions and all that stuff. Right46400:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.039now. Their heart back beating?Well, your baby's heart is already been46500:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.230beating for several weeks and that's kindof the way we'll talk about it.46600:31:33.430 --> 00:31:37.710Sure, and just again reminding themthat their babies alive, that their babies46700:31:37.710 --> 00:31:40.750are human being. Yeah, andan important thing for some of you knew46800:31:41.470 --> 00:31:44.589sidebock missionaries, and you may notknow this, but if the woman has46900:31:44.710 --> 00:31:47.539missed her period, which is thefirst tip off to her she's pregnant.47000:31:47.579 --> 00:31:52.019Yeah, so if she has missedher period, that baby's hearts beating.47100:31:52.140 --> 00:31:53.819Yeah, I didn't know that.I didn't know that. Now I do.47200:31:55.180 --> 00:31:59.460Yeah, but being able to saythat comes as a shock to the47300:31:59.579 --> 00:32:01.490women, because some of them willgo in and say, well, once47400:32:01.529 --> 00:32:07.769it's heart is beating, I wouldn'tkill it. Right, and because that's47500:32:07.769 --> 00:32:13.210how they define humanity. Sure.So again we go back to point number47600:32:13.210 --> 00:32:15.200one. What God has say?No, God defines humanity from the moment47700:32:15.240 --> 00:32:23.319of conception, if not before.But science certainly talks about the humanity at47800:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.680the moment of conception. It hasall the human DNA. But there's no47900:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.630denying once there's a heart beating,most people admit yeah, okay, yeah,48000:32:31.670 --> 00:32:36.869maybe it's a very little yeah beingyeah, absolutely so being able to48100:32:37.230 --> 00:32:39.269throw that point out. I thinkit's one of the most important things,48200:32:39.470 --> 00:32:44.619yes, say. And another subjectkind of along the lines of the humanity,48300:32:44.740 --> 00:32:46.980the baby, is what we talkedabout a little bit earlier as motherhood.48400:32:47.339 --> 00:32:52.099And just heaven, speaking in termsof that, you're already a mother.48500:32:52.140 --> 00:32:55.299Yeah, that implies personhood of thatchild. That implies you've got a48600:32:55.420 --> 00:32:59.130baby, you've got your son oryour daughter, and will refer to the48700:32:59.170 --> 00:33:01.890baby in the womb as your sonor your daughter rather than just it.48800:33:02.569 --> 00:33:07.009Yeah, she he remember of yourfamily, as I'll say that a lot48900:33:07.170 --> 00:33:13.079is there are some ethnic groups thatdon't believe that a baby is a baby49000:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.440until they take their first breath,right, and so referring to that baby49100:33:16.480 --> 00:33:21.240as a ment. But they're butthey're very family oriented. Yeah, and49200:33:22.160 --> 00:33:27.000referring to that baby as a memberof your family, because most people recognize49300:33:27.190 --> 00:33:30.750you need to defend members of yourfamily. So using those kind of terms49400:33:30.789 --> 00:33:35.990can sometimes help to personalize it alittle bit more. Yeah. Absolutely.49500:33:36.069 --> 00:33:39.470Yeah, so I think we've we'velabored that point enough. Yeah, and49600:33:39.710 --> 00:33:45.059just jump into the last of ourthree main talking points. Yeah, resources49700:33:45.220 --> 00:33:51.259that are available that we've already touchedon, having a list of resources,49800:33:52.059 --> 00:33:55.529especially your local pregnancy center, maternityhomes, things like that. Yeah,49900:33:55.609 --> 00:34:00.490informer podcast we've talked about all thatstuff, and pretty in detail, to50000:34:00.970 --> 00:34:05.410absolutely develop that list in everything.Yeah, and resources. Some of them50100:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.409can be pretty difficult to find,but for the most part pretty easy to50200:34:07.489 --> 00:34:12.679find these resources. Just use Google, right, that's that's how we do50300:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.639it. Just find it on Google. Google it. If you're looking for50400:34:15.679 --> 00:34:20.239a maternity home, type in maternityhome on Google, local maternity home,50500:34:20.360 --> 00:34:22.079eternity home, and whatever your cityis, or different. You know,50600:34:22.159 --> 00:34:27.349you can try different words are alongthe same subject and you can find different50700:34:27.389 --> 00:34:30.750results. But I think one ofthe most important resources, and I don't50800:34:30.909 --> 00:34:36.829I don't think I know the mostimportant resource, is your pregnancy center,50900:34:36.949 --> 00:34:39.739local pregnancy centers, having a relationshipwith them so that you can get the51000:34:39.820 --> 00:34:45.059women away from the abortion center andget them to a life affirming pregnancy center,51100:34:45.139 --> 00:34:49.940get them out of the battle zoneand get them towards a place that51200:34:50.059 --> 00:34:52.530will show them their baby on theultrasound for free, and then get them51300:34:52.650 --> 00:34:58.690connected with additional resources. Yeah,and so a scripture that comes to mind51400:34:58.769 --> 00:35:02.650for this is psalm forty six,verse one. God is a refuge and51500:35:02.769 --> 00:35:06.730strength, of very present help introuble. That speaks of the help,51600:35:06.809 --> 00:35:10.679the provision of God and of coursethat again introduces God into the equation.51700:35:10.880 --> 00:35:15.599What God says? God says he'smade provision for you and for your baby51800:35:15.039 --> 00:35:21.199and you can put your trust inhim. Yeah, so resources an important51900:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.670thing. To show them that we'renot just out there with words but we52000:35:22.750 --> 00:35:27.789have tangible help is important. Andthe of course, there are those that52100:35:27.949 --> 00:35:31.389will be out there that will say, are you going to give me money52200:35:31.630 --> 00:35:37.659for the college education? Are yougoing to give me Fiftyzero dollars so I52300:35:37.780 --> 00:35:40.780can send this kid to college?I actually hear that a lot. So52400:35:40.900 --> 00:35:46.219it is important to think in termsof resources. You are not obligated to52500:35:46.380 --> 00:35:51.289have to offer the next eighteen yearsof that presence life, but if you52600:35:51.409 --> 00:35:55.050can offer things that will help them, not solve their problem, but help52700:35:55.170 --> 00:36:01.570them in the immediate areas of concern. That goes a long way towards them52800:36:01.809 --> 00:36:08.039knowing you are trustworthy and that youare serving the God who ultimately is where52900:36:08.039 --> 00:36:13.079you want them to transfer trust.So that to those people that say that53000:36:13.199 --> 00:36:19.030sort of stuff, I will sayat times things along the line of we53100:36:19.190 --> 00:36:22.389do have help for whatever you're facing. We do have resources that can help53200:36:22.429 --> 00:36:28.030you, but even if we didnot, your baby is still precious in53300:36:28.110 --> 00:36:31.389the eyes of God and Abhorre oris still yeah, yeah, yeah,53400:36:31.389 --> 00:36:37.059there's even we did a whole podcastgear or more ago about a pastor,53500:36:37.099 --> 00:36:39.820Matt Chandler said something about it,where they are telling them not to kill53600:36:39.860 --> 00:36:44.500their baby and yet we don't offerthem help. Then we got no business53700:36:44.539 --> 00:36:46.250doing that. I'm paraphrase and it'sprobably a little little less like that,53800:36:46.409 --> 00:36:51.090but the fact is, and Ibelieve that's incorrect actually, and I agree.53900:36:51.170 --> 00:36:52.769I believe we could stand out thereon the sidewalk if I was dirt54000:36:52.889 --> 00:36:59.210poor and had nothing but my voiceand said please, don't take the life54100:36:59.250 --> 00:37:02.159of your baby, I would stillbe perfectly justified in pleading with a mother54200:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.800not to take the life of herbaby. I don't need to have resources54300:37:06.920 --> 00:37:08.360to meet her needs in order totell her not to kill her child.54400:37:08.480 --> 00:37:12.360Correct. Yeah, if I dohave resources, and thank God we do54500:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.989in the American church, there areso many resources that are available and so54600:37:17.150 --> 00:37:21.190we can point them toward resources.I can say with confidence there's not a54700:37:21.389 --> 00:37:23.469need that they have that we can'tat least point them in the direction of54800:37:23.510 --> 00:37:28.150a resource to meet that need.Right, but even if we came empty54900:37:28.230 --> 00:37:30.539handed, yeah, we could beperfectly justified him. I mean there's just55000:37:30.619 --> 00:37:35.860think about that. In the scenarioif you're in Nazi Germany and you're pleading55100:37:35.900 --> 00:37:38.260with Nazis not to kill Jews,if somebody turns around and says, well,55200:37:38.260 --> 00:37:40.980are you going to take all theseJews into your home? That's all.55300:37:42.179 --> 00:37:45.090You're right. Maybe I shouldn't talkagainst extermination of a particular it's a55400:37:45.489 --> 00:37:50.530great bat. That is a greatillustration of this point. Yeah, of55500:37:50.650 --> 00:37:52.010course, but I do think it'san important point. That's all. We55600:37:52.050 --> 00:37:55.010have it within our three talking points. Hey, but I don't think it's55700:37:55.050 --> 00:38:00.599the most important point it, althoughit could be the most appealing point.55800:38:00.599 --> 00:38:05.840Yeah, it's the one that kindof what's the word Grease's this kids.55900:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.880It kind of it helps them toyou've just offered them something tangible that they56000:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.829really do want, and it helpsthem to be more willing than to hear56100:38:16.030 --> 00:38:20.349the other things you have to say. Yeah, it's kind of building that56200:38:20.429 --> 00:38:22.030trust. Yeah, absolutely, sothat you're able to speak about God,56300:38:22.190 --> 00:38:25.670you're able to have a more extendedconversation because they see, oh, I56400:38:25.829 --> 00:38:30.539get something out of this that Ireally want. Yeah, her need.56500:38:30.860 --> 00:38:34.820Yeah, absolutely, in the Lord, I guess one since can play on56600:38:34.900 --> 00:38:39.900that, that selfishness, and anduse that ultimately to bring his truth and56700:38:40.570 --> 00:38:44.010to bring the Gospel into the equation. One of the ways that we do56800:38:44.170 --> 00:38:49.250that is, like we shared somemonths ago, Cheryl Chandler came and shared56900:38:49.250 --> 00:38:52.610about her ministry, Truth and mercyministries that does baby showers. Yeah,57000:38:52.690 --> 00:38:55.039she does a baby shower. She'ssharing the Gospel. Now, there's not57100:38:55.159 --> 00:39:00.039this requirement that you have to listento our message or you have to become57200:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.599a Christian to receive our help.No, right, but if we're going57300:39:01.599 --> 00:39:06.199to be throwing a baby shower,we're going to be doing your practical things57400:39:06.440 --> 00:39:08.119to meet your needs. We wantto be able to share. The reason57500:39:08.159 --> 00:39:12.590why we're doing it's because of theGospel. So that's why we prefer,57600:39:12.829 --> 00:39:15.469if we're going to partner with ministries, if we're going to have a resource57700:39:15.590 --> 00:39:19.510ministry like a maternity home or whatever, that they be Gospel centered, right,57800:39:19.590 --> 00:39:22.590because these women need the Lord.Yeah, and so that's our three57900:39:22.630 --> 00:39:25.300talking points. Yeah, it's thankyou. Pretty much wrapped it up for58000:39:25.420 --> 00:39:29.420you guys. Yeah, and hopefullythat was an encouragement and a blessing.58100:39:29.820 --> 00:39:32.139This article will be out on oursidewalks for life websites. You can read58200:39:32.179 --> 00:39:37.900through this. If you prefer toread, then certainly we want you to58300:39:37.019 --> 00:39:39.570read that. If you don't knowhow to read, like me, you58400:39:39.650 --> 00:39:45.010can just listen to this podcast againand again and again and be well equipped58500:39:45.050 --> 00:39:50.889with these three talking points. ButI think we always offer our email address58600:39:50.929 --> 00:39:52.239for you guys. So certainly ifyou want to reach out to us you58700:39:52.320 --> 00:39:57.679have suggestions for few future podcast orsome input on this podcast episode, we'd58800:39:57.719 --> 00:40:00.360certainly love to hear it. Youcan reach me at Daniel at Love Life58900:40:00.440 --> 00:40:04.039Dot Org. You can reach herVicky at Love Life Dot Org. But59000:40:04.199 --> 00:40:16.550until next time, God bless giveme love for love, give me our59100:40:16.869 --> 00:40:29.900love for gratitude. I know itwill cost me my life. Nothing's too59200:40:30.179 --> 00:40:31.380precious in some you