May 20, 2021

The First Ever Abortion Pill Reversal

The First Ever Abortion Pill Reversal

Dr. Matt Harrison is a local physician that pioneered the Abortion Pill Reversal procedure. In this episode, we interview Dr. Harrison as he shares the story of the first known abortion pill reversal and how we as pro-lifers can be confident in...


Dr. Matt Harrison is a local physician that pioneered the Abortion Pill Reversal procedure. In this episode, we interview Dr. Harrison as he shares the story of the first known abortion pill reversal and how we as pro-lifers can be confident in offering this resource to those we encounter at the abortion centers.

https://www.abortionpillreversal.com/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.839 I am yours. I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life 2 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:10.070 podcasts and this episode we do an awesome interview with a doctor by the name 3 00:00:10.070 --> 00:00:14.189 of Dr Matt Harrison, who pioneered the abortion pool reversal procedure. He's going 4 00:00:14.230 --> 00:00:17.789 to talk about his background, some of the science behind the abortion poo reversal 5 00:00:17.989 --> 00:00:21.500 and how you can use this to minister at the abortion center. Stay tuned. 6 00:00:23.660 --> 00:00:36.329 I felt show passish touch your welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 7 00:00:36.409 --> 00:00:39.570 Appreciate you guys joining us and, as always, we appreciate if you 8 00:00:39.609 --> 00:00:43.250 guys would share this podcast, if you would leave us review, because we 9 00:00:43.329 --> 00:00:46.090 need reviews. We need some positive reviews. We've got a lot of negative 10 00:00:46.130 --> 00:00:50.719 reviews from some of our pro choice opposition. That's okay, you know, 11 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.479 we pray for them, but we want to hear what you guys think about 12 00:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.520 this podcast. We want you guys to share this podcast. We specifically focus 13 00:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.439 on people that are doing ministry on the sidewalks ad abortion centers. We want 14 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.590 to help, encourage and equip people that are doing that ministry, but also 15 00:01:04.269 --> 00:01:07.950 in pregnancy centers and in every other area of pro life ministry. Want to 16 00:01:07.989 --> 00:01:11.829 help encouraging equip people. So if you know people that would benefit from this 17 00:01:11.870 --> 00:01:15.469 podcast, please share this and please also reach out to us let us know 18 00:01:15.590 --> 00:01:19.140 subjects that you would like for us to cover. We have had a couple 19 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:21.579 of people reach out to us and we've covered those subjects. Who Want to 20 00:01:21.620 --> 00:01:25.819 do that, and so I have here today we have kind of a special 21 00:01:25.859 --> 00:01:29.939 guest and a special podcast. I've got Dr Matt Harrison here, who is 22 00:01:30.140 --> 00:01:34.250 really one of the poneers in the abortion pill reversal procedure. So he's going 23 00:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.450 to talk about that. He's going to talk about some of the things that, 24 00:01:37.530 --> 00:01:40.969 hopefully, within this world of fault, will help equip you guys on 25 00:01:41.049 --> 00:01:45.209 the sidewalk and in a pregnancy center setting, or whatever that's setting might be. 26 00:01:45.769 --> 00:01:48.280 So we're going to talk about the abortion pill. Took a little bit 27 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.640 about how that works, about how the abortion pill reversal procedure works. Anything 28 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.400 you want to jump in and say, Vicky, before we introduce Dr Matt? 29 00:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.040 Well, just that it is a common misperception that once they have the 30 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.430 abortion it's done with, and that's of course true with surgical but with a 31 00:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.710 pill abortion it can be reversed and just knowing that and knowing some of the 32 00:02:07.870 --> 00:02:13.509 details about that, I think are really critical in our work as sidewalk counsel. 33 00:02:13.669 --> 00:02:16.500 So we are delighted to have Dr Matt here. Yeah, it's gonna 34 00:02:16.539 --> 00:02:20.780 be Awesome, Dr Matt, for quite a few years. Yeah, years 35 00:02:20.780 --> 00:02:23.300 it's been at this point, but yeah, a while. But go ahead 36 00:02:23.340 --> 00:02:25.819 and give a little introduction of yourself, Dr Matt, and just little be 37 00:02:25.939 --> 00:02:30.650 your background and your involvement in pre life work and things like that. Okay, 38 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:32.889 thanks, really great to be here today, guys. I love this 39 00:02:34.009 --> 00:02:38.050 format because it gives us a chance to really delve deeper into these topics and 40 00:02:38.169 --> 00:02:40.930 not just scratch the surface, which sometimes that can be dangerous. But if 41 00:02:40.969 --> 00:02:46.039 we get deeper and talk about the science, it's really you know, it's 42 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.560 really great to be able to back up what we're doing, yeah, in 43 00:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.840 a scientific way, so and make people feel comfortable about promoting this on the 44 00:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.349 sidewalks. So I got I moved to Charlotte in two thousand and one met 45 00:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.870 a good friend of y'all's, Flip Benham. Yeah, shortly they're after he 46 00:03:04.990 --> 00:03:10.389 really challenged me to become more active and my pro life walk. I was 47 00:03:10.469 --> 00:03:14.819 pro life at the time, but wasn't really doing a whole lot about it 48 00:03:14.979 --> 00:03:19.939 other than in my practice. We had a practice that was support, starting 49 00:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.659 to support abortion vulnerable women, women who had come from the sidewalk. So 50 00:03:23.740 --> 00:03:29.650 we'd give them free prenatal care and delivery services and and then we got active 51 00:03:29.689 --> 00:03:35.810 with the crisis pregnancy centers close by. So so that's kind of how I 52 00:03:35.969 --> 00:03:39.569 came to Charlotte. I have a beautiful wife, Kathleen, who is faithful 53 00:03:39.810 --> 00:03:46.680 and support. I couldn't do even ninety percent of what I do without without 54 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.199 her support. Cost of support, yeah, and back up. And she 55 00:03:51.520 --> 00:03:57.710 and I've raised seven fantastic kids, wow, and and many of them will 56 00:03:57.789 --> 00:04:03.110 come down intermittently to the abortion clinic and prey and and so that was has 57 00:04:03.189 --> 00:04:09.150 always kind of been a part of their life as well. So the the 58 00:04:09.349 --> 00:04:15.020 abortion pill reversal ministry really just kind of came out of the blue and in 59 00:04:15.300 --> 00:04:20.860 two thousand and six yeah, I was at my clinic in concord at the 60 00:04:20.939 --> 00:04:25.689 time. I was doing full range family practice medicine with a statricks as well, 61 00:04:26.529 --> 00:04:29.769 and I was involved in the crisis pregnacy center and a young lady had 62 00:04:30.290 --> 00:04:34.209 gone to the abortion one of the abortion centers here in Charlotte. They're three 63 00:04:34.290 --> 00:04:40.120 of them and she had been pressured by our boyfriend to have an abortion. 64 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.519 She really didn't want to do it. She is raised in a Christian home 65 00:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560 and they didn't let her get to see hear the heartbeat. Yeah, we're 66 00:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.480 see anything on the ultrasound. But they gave her the abortion pill and told 67 00:04:51.519 --> 00:04:57.670 her to swallow it and said, you know, take the other pills two 68 00:04:57.709 --> 00:05:00.829 days later to complete the abortion. So she went out in the parking lot 69 00:05:00.990 --> 00:05:05.310 and just was, you know, completely distraught about what she had done. 70 00:05:05.310 --> 00:05:11.180 Right regretted it immediately. She couldn't make herself throw up or anything to try 71 00:05:11.180 --> 00:05:15.300 to get rid of the medication. So she went home and just essentially cried 72 00:05:15.339 --> 00:05:18.300 about it for twenty four hours and then finally told her mother. Now her 73 00:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.689 boyfriend had said, you know, if your parents find out that you're pregnant, 74 00:05:21.889 --> 00:05:25.930 they're going to kick you out, you're not going to be successful at 75 00:05:25.970 --> 00:05:28.769 school, you're gonna have to drop out of your program. They he kind 76 00:05:28.769 --> 00:05:31.410 of threatened her with all these different things. Yeah, but her parents were 77 00:05:31.810 --> 00:05:36.399 good Christian, supportive parents. Immediately they said we will do whatever we can 78 00:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.079 to help our grandchild. Wow, and they immediately, you know, recognize 79 00:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.120 the personhood of that baby that she was carrying it and supported her. So 80 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:54.990 they took her to the Kabarus crisis pregnacy in her combers women's center. Yeah, 81 00:05:55.269 --> 00:05:58.110 and I was on the board at the time, and so they called 82 00:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.470 me and said, you know, we have this young lady who's taking the 83 00:06:00.509 --> 00:06:02.589 abortion pill. What can we do? And I said, well, I've 84 00:06:02.629 --> 00:06:08.339 no idea, go ahead and send her over. Yeah, so she's they 85 00:06:08.420 --> 00:06:12.860 sent her over and you know, this is around lunchtime on, I guess, 86 00:06:12.899 --> 00:06:15.740 a Thursday. I think a Thursday, and I really had no idea 87 00:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.329 what to do. She had taken the bill about thirty six hours prior to 88 00:06:18.410 --> 00:06:23.649 that. And you know, this is not the kind of thing they teach 89 00:06:23.649 --> 00:06:26.649 you how to do in medicals, know how to reverse an abortion or what 90 00:06:26.730 --> 00:06:30.810 to do in a case like this. But you know, I was raising 91 00:06:30.850 --> 00:06:34.199 a family of you know, a lot of people are engineers and carpenters and 92 00:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.680 construction people and people who figure things out. Oh yeah, and so it's 93 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.959 always just kind of, I think, ingrained in me to try to figure 94 00:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.959 things out. And so I told her I just have to think about this 95 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.029 I stepped out of the room and literally went into my office across the hallway, 96 00:06:48.069 --> 00:06:50.629 prayed about it, started thinking about the you know, looking at the 97 00:06:50.670 --> 00:06:58.509 physician desk referns about how the abortion pill works. And we were doing fertility 98 00:06:58.509 --> 00:07:04.379 treatments in our office at the time to help women who had low progesterone and 99 00:07:04.899 --> 00:07:10.540 they would have frequent miscarriages, that have short cycles and frequent miscarriages. So 100 00:07:10.579 --> 00:07:14.579 we had progester and available in the office and my partner in the practice, 101 00:07:14.620 --> 00:07:19.850 Danny Holland have was a certified consultant, fertility consultant for doing this what's called 102 00:07:19.889 --> 00:07:26.850 nap technology, and and so you know really what you know. Justin reader 103 00:07:27.050 --> 00:07:29.930 likes to say that I had a god download and that's what it felt like. 104 00:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.040 You know, it felt like a download, it felt like a light 105 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.800 went off. I was like, you know it, are you forty six 106 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:43.160 blocks the progesterone receptor. It's starves the placenta of nutrients, of blood circulation. 107 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.829 That's the abortion pill, you're saying. Yes, right. So the 108 00:07:45.910 --> 00:07:50.069 are you forty six is kind of a scientific name or research name for the 109 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:56.470 abortion pill. The brand or the name that is common use as mythopristone, 110 00:07:57.189 --> 00:08:01.779 and so methapristone is the abortion pill is already forty six and that blocks the 111 00:08:01.860 --> 00:08:07.339 progesterone receptor. And I done a lot of research in protein receptor biology. 112 00:08:07.819 --> 00:08:15.009 I got two masters in protein receptor biology and I've done research in rat brain 113 00:08:16.490 --> 00:08:20.009 receptors and it published in the field and I start thinking, you know, 114 00:08:20.529 --> 00:08:26.639 it just simple biology. If you have the abortion pill which is blocking the 115 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.679 progesterone receptor, if we put in more progesterone and try to outcompete that, 116 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.759 are you forty six the abortion pill? Then we might be able to outdo 117 00:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.190 it and reactivate the the receptor so that we can restore the blood flow to 118 00:08:46.309 --> 00:08:50.149 the placenta and support the baby. Yeah, so are you forty six? 119 00:08:52.470 --> 00:08:56.220 Is a tight binder, binds about twice as strongly as progesterone does to the 120 00:08:56.700 --> 00:09:03.539 to the receptor, and so we figured if we give her extra progesterone, 121 00:09:03.940 --> 00:09:07.419 and that's not a one and done like, it doesn't lock on and then 122 00:09:07.460 --> 00:09:11.009 never release. It's always in a state of flux, and so at any 123 00:09:11.090 --> 00:09:16.690 given time a receptor is binding. Are you forty six, and releasing it 124 00:09:16.049 --> 00:09:20.289 okay, but it's in a state of flux. And so if we just 125 00:09:20.409 --> 00:09:26.080 put in more progesterone, then there's a better chance that a good key that 126 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.559 will turn into that lock and activate the receptor will support that pregnancy. And 127 00:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.789 so a gay at explain this to or now. PROGESTERONE has been used safely 128 00:09:37.909 --> 00:09:43.629 in women that are pregnant for fifty years. Yeah, no bad side effects, 129 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.429 no scary side effects, especially in the doses that we use, which 130 00:09:48.429 --> 00:09:54.419 are really essentially biologically identical levels. Yeah, to what is is normally in 131 00:09:54.460 --> 00:10:00.500 a woman's system. So in a lot of obgy in offic has they give 132 00:10:00.899 --> 00:10:07.370 Debo Pervara shots. These are long acting progesterone shots that are extremely high dose 133 00:10:07.850 --> 00:10:13.649 progesterone that stop ovulation. Yeah, they can also cause miscarriages bout creating an 134 00:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.370 a bad environment for a baby that's going to implant, but the main way 135 00:10:18.409 --> 00:10:22.519 they work is by preventing ovulation. But these are very high doses of progesterone 136 00:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.000 and the American College of Obstritions, and God in College, is support the 137 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.200 use of this. Yeah, but it has lots of problems with clotting, 138 00:10:33.320 --> 00:10:39.149 lots of problems with osteoporosis and other side effects, and so we don't use 139 00:10:39.190 --> 00:10:46.429 high, high doses of progesterone. We use biodentical progesterone and essentially what we've 140 00:10:46.429 --> 00:10:50.139 been working on using just enough to be able to reverse smorry forty six. 141 00:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059 So basically you're just saying that the dose of progesterone that's use any abortion people 142 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.379 reversal would be similar to what a woman's body would produce correct being pregnant and 143 00:10:58.620 --> 00:11:03.570 without the yeah, counteraction of the myphopriston right. So we're increasing it a 144 00:11:03.610 --> 00:11:09.610 little bit, but not like twenty or a hundred drives as much. So 145 00:11:11.169 --> 00:11:13.889 I explain this to her. I said, you know, you know this 146 00:11:13.090 --> 00:11:18.409 does carry some risk because you know this is not something that's been done before. 147 00:11:18.409 --> 00:11:22.519 Yeah, this is two thousand and six. And I said it could 148 00:11:22.559 --> 00:11:28.679 cause you not to release the baby and the baby could stay inside of you 149 00:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.080 longer and we have to watch you very closely to make sure that you don't 150 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.950 get infected. Yeah, and hat are carrying, you know, a baby 151 00:11:35.029 --> 00:11:39.590 that's passed and then not able to get it, get the baby out, 152 00:11:39.710 --> 00:11:43.950 and that could cause problems for her. And so we knew that going in 153 00:11:46.190 --> 00:11:48.580 and so I talked to her and she said absolutely, I want to try 154 00:11:48.620 --> 00:11:52.820 this. Yeah, I will do whatever it takes to save my baby. 155 00:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.340 And as as a physician who's done a lot of ear work and I work 156 00:11:56.419 --> 00:12:03.169 in critical care and I do I get into situations where people are dying, 157 00:12:03.169 --> 00:12:09.169 yeah, actively dying. Sometimes you have to do whatever you can too, 158 00:12:11.210 --> 00:12:13.889 in some of these things are not protocols. Got To think outside we got 159 00:12:13.009 --> 00:12:16.559 to think outside the box exactly, and so you have to be creative and 160 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.559 you have to think, you know, what can I do? I mean 161 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:26.480 I've used different types of tubes that were available at the time to place into 162 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.879 a patient so that they could breathe, rather than tracheostomy too. Yeah, 163 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.909 I mean, is that FD approved? Will know, but I had to 164 00:12:31.950 --> 00:12:35.509 do that to keep that person alive. Yeah, so this is kind of 165 00:12:35.509 --> 00:12:39.149 the state we're in. We have a patient who is literally dying in front 166 00:12:39.190 --> 00:12:43.429 of me, the baby. Yeah, and the mother is really wanting to 167 00:12:43.549 --> 00:12:46.700 save the baby. I'm not going to just say sorry, there's nothing I 168 00:12:46.779 --> 00:12:50.820 can do. So we decided to proceed with the progesterone shot. So we 169 00:12:50.860 --> 00:12:56.059 gave her two hundred milligrams of an injection and we're going to see her the 170 00:12:56.100 --> 00:12:58.649 next week so that that week end, is a Friday night. She called, 171 00:12:58.769 --> 00:13:05.529 she said she's starting to bleed. Yeah, and we said and of 172 00:13:05.610 --> 00:13:07.250 course, before we did that, we made sure that her baby was still 173 00:13:07.529 --> 00:13:13.600 living. Yeah, we found a heartbeat and she said they that she was 174 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.519 starting to Blee. So we're really afraid that the abortion was happening. There's 175 00:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.759 nothing we could do. Yeah, but we were you know, we knew 176 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.639 the guys at the emergency room, we knew the doctors that worked there, 177 00:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.870 they knew how we practice medicine. So we sent it to the emergency room 178 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.990 and so they saw her and they did an ultrasound and she got to visually 179 00:13:35.029 --> 00:13:39.309 see her baby for the first time. Yeah, and see that heart fluttering. 180 00:13:39.389 --> 00:13:41.620 And she said, if that's all that I'd gotten out of it, 181 00:13:41.700 --> 00:13:43.740 I would have been excited because I actually got to see my baby. who 182 00:13:45.139 --> 00:13:48.860 how old was the baby shows, right at eight weeks. Okay, yeah, 183 00:13:48.899 --> 00:13:54.500 right at eight weeks. So, but the bait in the baby's heart 184 00:13:54.580 --> 00:13:58.289 was beating. So the doctors thankfully said go home and hope for the best. 185 00:13:58.610 --> 00:14:01.610 I know many doctors in that situation would have said, Oh, let's 186 00:14:01.649 --> 00:14:05.090 call it would be and go get a DNC. Yeah, because this baby's 187 00:14:05.129 --> 00:14:09.480 doomed, right, but espacially, knowing that she taking the abortion pill exactly. 188 00:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.360 And you know, doctors are very afraid of liability. They're afraid, 189 00:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.879 you know, if a baby has a bad outcome or if a baby, 190 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.440 you know, is you know, has something wrong, that they're going to 191 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.909 get sued. It's some point. All those risks were clearly laid out for 192 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.669 her like right, the risk, of course, to her, like you 193 00:14:28.870 --> 00:14:31.269 just talked about, but also the risk to the baby, because this is 194 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:33.389 unknown. This is like didn't know, we don't know it's right. Didn't 195 00:14:33.429 --> 00:14:39.299 know. So so she went home and stopped bleeding. They did see what's 196 00:14:39.340 --> 00:14:45.139 called a choreonic CIST, a little hemorrhage cyst on her, on her Placena, 197 00:14:45.740 --> 00:14:50.700 but healed up. Does essentially, if our forty six is working, 198 00:14:50.940 --> 00:14:56.330 that cysts would get bigger and bigger and bigger than you the placenta would separate 199 00:14:56.409 --> 00:14:58.330 away. Yeah, can I ascu DECIS. So does that cyst form? 200 00:14:58.370 --> 00:15:03.529 Because she had taken the abortion pillars. That something that can happen at any 201 00:15:03.610 --> 00:15:07.879 time. It can happen in even in normal pregnancies. I can happen sure. 202 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.480 So she went home, she came back Monday and we checked the heartbeat 203 00:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.159 and the baby still living and she wasn't bleeding bleeding anymore. So we kept 204 00:15:18.200 --> 00:15:24.549 giving her progester and two hundred milligrams twice a week up until we went far 205 00:15:24.669 --> 00:15:28.029 into pregnancy because we didn't really know exactly how long we need to support it 206 00:15:28.070 --> 00:15:31.429 back then. And so we are into the into the twenty some weeks, 207 00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:35.190 and we were checking her progesterone levels to make sure that she was matching and 208 00:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.700 being where she need to be. Yeah, and then we're able to stop 209 00:15:37.740 --> 00:15:41.899 the injections and rite at forty weeks she had a beautiful little girl named Kaylee. 210 00:15:43.019 --> 00:15:48.980 Yeah, perfectly healthy. Placena was healthy and now Kaylee is. She's 211 00:15:50.009 --> 00:15:54.409 born in two thousand and seven. So she is now one of the math 212 00:15:54.570 --> 00:15:58.929 is fourteen year the doctors is fourteen years old. Don't ask me to spend 213 00:15:58.210 --> 00:16:02.370 and don't ask me to do math. So during that whole time period, 214 00:16:02.490 --> 00:16:06.320 were you doing ultrasounds and looking at the development of the baby? Does see 215 00:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.240 and the baby is was progressing just perfectly fine. No issue, shoes said, 216 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:12.840 always use. Wow, no issues. Yeah, so I want to 217 00:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.679 kind of if we can will it back. I think it's good for us 218 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.590 to have a story and kind of a storyline to work with and people to 219 00:16:19.629 --> 00:16:22.590 see that like this thing actually played out. And it's not the only time. 220 00:16:22.669 --> 00:16:26.350 This is like the first time it's happened as far as we know, 221 00:16:26.990 --> 00:16:30.909 but we've seen this happen a bunch where, you know, over the years, 222 00:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.299 I don't know how many babies have been saved through the abortion peel reversal 223 00:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.059 procedure. You know how over two Tho. Yeah, amazing. So this 224 00:16:37.299 --> 00:16:41.179 story has played out time and time again. But let's will it back to 225 00:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.980 just some of the basics of how the abortion pill works, just so those 226 00:16:47.019 --> 00:16:51.450 folks who are ministering can explain this, because there is a lot of there's 227 00:16:51.450 --> 00:16:55.009 a lot of misunderstanding, like I mentioned before we started recording, even talking 228 00:16:55.090 --> 00:17:00.250 to pretty season pro life people, there's this conflation of the abortion pell procedure 229 00:17:00.730 --> 00:17:03.879 and the morning after pills. That's one thing, and there's also this idea 230 00:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.920 that the abortion pill it's just it's just one peel, but it's actually an 231 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.759 abortion pel procedure. Right. It's to medications. Talk a little bit about 232 00:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.160 you already talked about Metha Priston, but talk about kind of how the procedure 233 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.869 works, time frames and things like that, if you can sure so, 234 00:17:18.589 --> 00:17:27.269 mythoprist own are ready forty six abortion pill was was approved in two thousand, 235 00:17:27.309 --> 00:17:32.259 I believe. It was for use in the United States up to seven weeks 236 00:17:32.259 --> 00:17:42.980 of pregnancy and at six hundred milligram dose. Shortly they're after doctors started using 237 00:17:44.019 --> 00:17:47.569 it off label. Okay, and they were using it at lower and lower 238 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:52.170 doses down to two hundred milligrams, and they're using it at hiring higher gestational 239 00:17:52.170 --> 00:17:57.089 ages up to ten weeks. Okay. And now I've seen, I've had 240 00:17:57.170 --> 00:18:00.400 patients come and say they've got it thirteen weeks. Wow, I'm just crazy. 241 00:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.079 I mean that's a big baby. Yeah, it's a big baby. 242 00:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.279 And then so what they do is they take the two hundred Milligram Mytho Pris 243 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:18.950 stone and then one to two days later they take eight hundred micrograms of CIDOTECH 244 00:18:18.990 --> 00:18:23.670 or Mesa pristall, which is a medicine that causes the uterus to contract. 245 00:18:23.710 --> 00:18:32.299 Yeah, and that they expel the baby and placenta and all the products of 246 00:18:32.339 --> 00:18:36.099 conception, and they do that at home. Yeah, so they watch them 247 00:18:36.180 --> 00:18:38.539 take the pill, then they give them the medicine to go home or in 248 00:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.849 a hotel room. Yeah, and if any of Youall had seen the movie 249 00:18:44.569 --> 00:18:48.970 UN planned, yeah, you know, that gave a pretty accurate description, 250 00:18:49.009 --> 00:18:53.490 or you know, of how it plays out. Yeah, we're how it 251 00:18:53.529 --> 00:18:59.839 can. It can be, you know, quite bloody and very distressful to 252 00:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.640 the woman that's going through this. So and then and often they're left alone 253 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.470 to go through that, which is, you know, which is horrible and 254 00:19:10.630 --> 00:19:14.589 really not good healthcare, right. Yeah, and so this is one of 255 00:19:14.630 --> 00:19:17.269 the problems we can talk about. Tell a medicine, tell him. Yet 256 00:19:17.309 --> 00:19:18.630 they want to touch on that, because I've been getting a lot of questions 257 00:19:18.710 --> 00:19:23.900 for people about that's going to be. FDA just approved the use of Mephopriston, 258 00:19:25.460 --> 00:19:27.500 like over telemed and all this. Like what does what does that mean? 259 00:19:27.940 --> 00:19:30.740 I actually, you know, dug and try to figure out what that 260 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:36.259 actually means, and my understanding is it's potentially like a state by state decision. 261 00:19:36.299 --> 00:19:40.450 Or is that like a woman can now just call up plant parenthood and 262 00:19:40.490 --> 00:19:41.609 say, yeah, want the abortion peels? So maybe you could touch on 263 00:19:41.730 --> 00:19:45.490 that as you're kind of talking about all this. Yeah. So, I 264 00:19:45.609 --> 00:19:48.490 mean we go ahead and talk about the Tele Medicine. I mean tell medicine 265 00:19:48.529 --> 00:19:53.519 has been done in the past in distributing certain medications in the way they do 266 00:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.960 it. You can imagine someone up in Alaska where they don't have a doctor 267 00:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.640 but they have a clinic where a patient goes into. They might have a 268 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.400 nurse or they might have a nurse practitioner or a physician assistant or someone like 269 00:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.470 that, and they literally will have a computer sitting on a desk and the 270 00:20:10.589 --> 00:20:14.990 desk will have a locked drawer, okay, and so the doctor on the 271 00:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.349 computer will interview the patient and then they'll push a button, the drawer open 272 00:20:19.309 --> 00:20:23.259 and the medicine is dispensed to the patient. Okay, so that's kind of 273 00:20:23.299 --> 00:20:30.619 how the logistics work of it. In in a tele medicine abortion it'd be 274 00:20:30.740 --> 00:20:34.380 similar to that. But they should be doing, even according to their own 275 00:20:34.619 --> 00:20:38.250 rules, ultrasounds. Yeah, so they'd have to have someone to do an 276 00:20:38.250 --> 00:20:44.930 ultrasound and to make sure that there's not an ectopic pregnancy, and ectopic pregnancy 277 00:20:45.450 --> 00:20:48.849 is a pregnancy that occurs outside of the womb. Sometimes that's in a tube, 278 00:20:49.480 --> 00:20:56.440 sometimes it's in the vagina, sometimes it's in the cervix, sometimes it's 279 00:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.160 in the abdomen. Yeah, it can be a bunch of different places and 280 00:21:00.440 --> 00:21:06.789 if you try to give someone the abortion pill when they have an ectopic pregnancy, 281 00:21:07.789 --> 00:21:12.470 then that could obviously lead to their death. Yeah, if you similarly, 282 00:21:12.509 --> 00:21:17.509 if you reverse a pregnancy, that is a topic that is dangerous. 283 00:21:17.509 --> 00:21:22.420 Yeah, and the person who has an ectopic pregnancy needs specialized care shore take 284 00:21:22.460 --> 00:21:26.099 care of that surgical situation. How does want to mention we did have a 285 00:21:26.220 --> 00:21:30.700 situation, I believe was back in two thousand and six or seven, with 286 00:21:30.859 --> 00:21:33.369 one of the doctors here locally, Dr Ron Vermont. I don't know if 287 00:21:33.410 --> 00:21:38.410 you're marvious, but he actually did that very thing, gave the abortion pill 288 00:21:38.650 --> 00:21:42.170 to a young lady who had an ectopic pregnancy, and our understanding is just 289 00:21:42.210 --> 00:21:47.160 a little investigation we've done, she did die. Her flippian two ruptured and 290 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.839 she bled to death because of just what you're talking about. Yeah, because 291 00:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.359 even if you were too, even if the bay were to die, which 292 00:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.559 they typically always will, and an ectopic prenancy anyway, you still have that 293 00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:03.750 ectopic pregnancy there, that that is a growth that has increased blood. So 294 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:07.789 apply that can rupture. Yeah, and that can get infected and the patient 295 00:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.789 can die. So it's really essentially a surgical emergency, yes, to be 296 00:22:11.869 --> 00:22:17.660 taken care of. So so that's one of our big concerns with telemedicine is 297 00:22:17.660 --> 00:22:22.579 it's going to be marketed to people who are nowhere near a doctor, yeah, 298 00:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.140 or a hospital, yeah, or a clinic, and they're going to 299 00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.009 be given abortion pills and we've already seen in their own studies that, especially 300 00:22:30.049 --> 00:22:34.809 if they don't take the second part of the abortion procedure, the CIDOTECH, 301 00:22:36.329 --> 00:22:41.289 then they can have dangerous and deadly bleeding. Yeah, so you're so these 302 00:22:41.369 --> 00:22:47.039 doctors that are going to do tele medicine abortions are going to give methopristone, 303 00:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.240 the abortion pill, to women who are way out in the middle of nowhere 304 00:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.839 with no access to surgeries or hospitals or emergency rooms, and they're counting on 305 00:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.430 them to take a second the second dose that's going to increase the the contractions 306 00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:06.509 and expel all the products and stop the bleeding. But they're I mean, 307 00:23:07.230 --> 00:23:11.589 I've been practicing medicine for almost twenty five years and there's some patients who either 308 00:23:11.630 --> 00:23:17.660 don't know how to take messine correctly or lose medicine or their dogate it or 309 00:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.779 something happens. You know, and this is very dangerous procedure, a really, 310 00:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.099 I mean dangerous beyond, you know, even what they're currently doing, 311 00:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.690 which is dangerous enough. Well, even you introduced it saying, you know, 312 00:23:29.849 --> 00:23:33.210 we in a normal procedure. They must do an ultrasound, they must 313 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:36.369 see where that baby is. So so and you said. So they would 314 00:23:36.369 --> 00:23:38.490 have to get to an ultrasound, but they're not right with tell them at 315 00:23:38.529 --> 00:23:42.480 to said. Know, how on earth is that going to be? They 316 00:23:42.640 --> 00:23:48.319 have to go someplace to get the ultrasound and then they will distribute the pills. 317 00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.519 Or how possibly? Well, I know it's going to happen in real 318 00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.880 life. They're not going to many exactly get ultrasounds, because I've already know 319 00:23:55.750 --> 00:23:59.750 that women get the area forty six without getting ULTRACA, right. I mean, 320 00:23:59.789 --> 00:24:02.990 that happens in Charlotte, that happens in cities. Oh No, they 321 00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:04.549 never did nultrasound, they just gave me the pill, right. I mean 322 00:24:04.670 --> 00:24:07.710 I hear that a lot. Yeah, so it's going to that's going to 323 00:24:07.789 --> 00:24:11.779 happen a whole lot more. Yeah, once they're out in the middle of 324 00:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.660 nowhere. Yeah, and one things. It's disturbing as you hear all these 325 00:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.619 statistics about, oh, abortion is safer than than childbirth. Right, you 326 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:26.890 know, these these abortions, these statistics are completely warped. It's interesting. 327 00:24:27.329 --> 00:24:33.490 I've I work in critical care medicine, emerge the room medicine. In the 328 00:24:33.569 --> 00:24:40.279 past I've filled out death certificates in North Carolina. On the death certificate North 329 00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.599 Carolina there's a specific box that everyone fills out if the woman was, if 330 00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.319 the patient was a female one, where they pregnant in the last year? 331 00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.869 To where they pregnant the last six months? Three, where they pregnant the 332 00:24:55.869 --> 00:24:59.390 last three months, for were they not pregnant? Five, you know. 333 00:24:59.430 --> 00:25:04.670 So it goes down this this list. So if a woman had become pregnant 334 00:25:06.069 --> 00:25:11.619 and then had an abortion and then had a complication from the procedure, the 335 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:15.059 only thing that it shows on the first on the death certificate is that she 336 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:19.380 had a pregnancy related death. It doesn't say that she died from abortion. 337 00:25:19.900 --> 00:25:23.289 Wow, it says she died from a hemorrhage or she died from a grope 338 00:25:23.369 --> 00:25:29.529 ruptured uterus or whatever. Wow, and then they have the little checkpock that 339 00:25:29.609 --> 00:25:34.650 says it was a pregnancy related death. And so there's really makes it appear 340 00:25:34.690 --> 00:25:38.440 actually the opposite of the truth, that that the pregnancy is what killed her, 341 00:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.960 not the abortion, and that's why they can come out and say pregnancy 342 00:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.920 is more dangerous than an abortion. That's evil, that's pure evil. Yeah, 343 00:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.230 and it's very misleading to women. It scares them into getting abortions right. 344 00:25:51.869 --> 00:25:56.230 So, yeah, so I foresee that happening a lot in these women 345 00:25:56.269 --> 00:26:00.470 who are way out in the wilderness somewhere and they're going to blame it on 346 00:26:00.589 --> 00:26:07.579 her being pregnant when actually it was taking mythopristone and then bleeding to that. 347 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.019 Yeah, yeah, well, that just in reading some of them, trying 348 00:26:11.019 --> 00:26:14.980 to actually pull that information up now, but I can't find it on the 349 00:26:15.019 --> 00:26:18.259 fly. But we've gotten a hold of some of the information that they give 350 00:26:18.299 --> 00:26:22.410 them at the latrobe abortion center right here. They give them kind of like 351 00:26:22.490 --> 00:26:25.970 a risks sheet, fine print. If you're going to take the abortion bill. 352 00:26:26.009 --> 00:26:27.210 Here's the fine print, and there's one sheet, and it's been a 353 00:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.490 while soon as I read it, from the National Abortion Federation, but it 354 00:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.160 talks about the risks associated with taking the abortion peel in. One of those 355 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.200 risks is, it says, one out of five hundred women to take the 356 00:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.799 abortion pill, to go through the abortion peole procedure will require a blood transfusion. 357 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.309 That's sound right, that sound like I mean to me that's that's that's 358 00:26:47.349 --> 00:26:49.589 a pretty daunting statistic. Yeah, it seemed. That seems pretty high. 359 00:26:49.589 --> 00:26:56.029 Yeah, I'm not exactly sure where they got those statistics, but of course 360 00:26:56.069 --> 00:27:02.380 that's what happened in the study that they used to try to refute abortion pill 361 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:10.859 reversal. Right, so Michael Crane and who is an abortion advocate, said 362 00:27:10.859 --> 00:27:17.009 that he would study abortion pill reversal and he took twelve women, gave them 363 00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:22.970 all the are you forty six abortion pill. Half of those women he gave 364 00:27:22.410 --> 00:27:26.490 progesterone at our doses, and half of them he gave a sugar pill. 365 00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:36.160 Gave them nothing to for the the abortion or anything. Yeah, one woman 366 00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.400 from each group dropped out, so that left five. And Five. Okay, 367 00:27:38.720 --> 00:27:44.160 they just decided they wanted to just go get the abortion. So of 368 00:27:44.470 --> 00:27:52.710 the five women who received progesterone, two weeks later, four of those women 369 00:27:52.950 --> 00:27:59.180 still had living pregnancies. So eighty per scent of the women who had gotten 370 00:27:59.619 --> 00:28:06.500 progesterone had reversed their abortions and once you're two weeks out that it's done, 371 00:28:07.140 --> 00:28:11.500 you're you're out of the clear because pretty safe because are forty six only last 372 00:28:11.579 --> 00:28:15.769 in the body from its half life is eighteen hours, eighteen to twenty hours. 373 00:28:15.930 --> 00:28:18.970 So after seventy two hours it's a pretty much completely a ren eliminated from 374 00:28:18.970 --> 00:28:23.089 your body after three to four days. Okay. So two weeks out they 375 00:28:23.170 --> 00:28:30.160 had eighty percent of the babies were still living. Wow. The one woman, 376 00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:37.960 the one patient who who had unsuccessful reversal, was bleeding at home. 377 00:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.029 She called an ambulance, the ambulance took her to the emergency room. She 378 00:28:42.150 --> 00:28:47.069 completed the abortion. She did not require a DNC, she did not require 379 00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:52.069 surgery, she did not require a transfusion. She essentially had the abortion right 380 00:28:52.150 --> 00:28:57.059 it completed. Okay, so that was the one in the other group where 381 00:28:57.059 --> 00:29:02.259 he gave the abortion pill and then a sugar pill, didn't give progesterone, 382 00:29:02.299 --> 00:29:07.819 did not give side attack. Two of those women had severe bleeding. They 383 00:29:07.900 --> 00:29:12.210 both called the ambulance, they both went to the emergency room, they both 384 00:29:12.369 --> 00:29:21.650 required surgeries. DNC's the most common surgical procedure in America, and one of 385 00:29:21.650 --> 00:29:26.839 them required a blood transfusion. So then he stopped the study, saying that 386 00:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.160 studying abortion pill reversal is too dangerous. Okay, obviously the dangerous part was 387 00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.480 the fact that one he didn't follow their protocols, their own protocols. Yeah, 388 00:29:37.589 --> 00:29:42.309 and the women who receive progesterone did not have any dangerous bleeding. Is 389 00:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.349 Only the women who got the abortion pill and then a sugar pill afterwards. 390 00:29:47.509 --> 00:29:57.220 Wow, and forty percent of his patients had surviving pregnancy, surviving pregnancies at 391 00:29:57.259 --> 00:30:03.980 the end of that. So doing nothing gave him, in a very small 392 00:30:04.059 --> 00:30:11.809 study, forty percent survival rate. Okay, giving progesterone gave an eighty percent 393 00:30:11.930 --> 00:30:18.650 survival rate. Okay. So really his study completely proved our points. You 394 00:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.359 did and prove that. I mean it's such a small study can't really bring 395 00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.160 a real conclusions, but if nothing else, it shows that more research should 396 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.359 be done. Yeah, in progesterone reversing abortions. Yeah, well, but 397 00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:38.269 his conclusion was rep misrepresenting really what had happened, and that is often what's 398 00:30:38.309 --> 00:30:42.710 quoted. I've heard it quoted by people that the Medios to this. Yeah, 399 00:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.349 the media pick that up and then ran with it. Yeah, and 400 00:30:45.509 --> 00:30:49.500 so that's what they use those that they're talking points. Yeah, but if 401 00:30:49.539 --> 00:30:52.819 they really read the study, and I've talked with some of these folks on 402 00:30:52.900 --> 00:30:56.740 the sidewalk and actually explain it to him, and then they really didn't have 403 00:30:56.779 --> 00:31:00.819 a home much whole lot to say. Yeah, so I am actually looking 404 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.009 up just what I mentioned to you. This is the sheet that is made 405 00:31:04.049 --> 00:31:07.369 from the National Abortion Federation. You can find it on pro choice dot org 406 00:31:08.609 --> 00:31:12.529 and it actually says that possible side effects of a miss mephpist on abortion. 407 00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:18.599 Side effects such as pain, cramping and vaginal bleeding result from the abortion process 408 00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.400 itself and are therefore expected with a Meta medical abortion. Other side effects may 409 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.640 include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, chills and fever. Complications are rare but 410 00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.269 may include infection, excessive vaginal bleeding requiring transfusion and in parenthes is prinheses. 411 00:31:33.309 --> 00:31:37.150 It says occurs in approximately one in five hundred cases. So that's the national 412 00:31:37.150 --> 00:31:42.069 abortion federations. That's these probe quote pro choice people. That's what they say. 413 00:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.180 You think about how many medical abortions are done each day? Yeah, 414 00:31:48.220 --> 00:31:52.819 and that's a lot of asusions. Yeah, another way I communicate it to 415 00:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.539 is I'm training people to Minister on the sidewalk and how you talk to people 416 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.859 that are going into the abortion center. And this is how I talked to 417 00:31:59.940 --> 00:32:01.849 MOMS or dads that are going into the abortion center. As I say, 418 00:32:02.250 --> 00:32:05.849 you know, ask him if are you here for the abortion pill? If 419 00:32:05.849 --> 00:32:07.609 I can get that far with them. If they say yeah, I say 420 00:32:07.890 --> 00:32:10.650 you know the paperwork they're going to give you. Please read the fine print, 421 00:32:10.690 --> 00:32:15.130 because it says one out of five hundred women that go through that procedure 422 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.279 will require blood transfusion. And if you're here to hide the fact that you're 423 00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.720 pregnant from your family, how are you going to explain to them if you're 424 00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.839 one of that? Pray you're not, but if you are one of those 425 00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.359 five, one out of five hundred that ends up in the hospital, you're 426 00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.430 going to have to explain like why are you there? What? Why are 427 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:34.230 you bleeding and all of this and, you know, kind of, I 428 00:32:34.309 --> 00:32:37.710 guess, playing on that whole factor if they want to hide what they're doing 429 00:32:37.630 --> 00:32:39.990 when you know, be careful, your sin will find you out. Kind 430 00:32:40.029 --> 00:32:44.299 of dynamic going on there, you know. So it's a little bit of 431 00:32:44.339 --> 00:32:45.660 a rabbit trawer. where I wanted to go with this because I do want 432 00:32:45.700 --> 00:32:50.940 to kind of help people that are on the sidewalk understand the differences, and 433 00:32:51.059 --> 00:32:54.259 you've explained it, I think, very clearly with how the abortion pill procedure 434 00:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.650 works. But there is again this conflation of the abortion pill in the morning 435 00:33:00.690 --> 00:33:04.210 after pell. So can you just describe real quick what the differences are? 436 00:33:04.369 --> 00:33:06.809 No fruit. For you and me it's like, okay, does there's there's 437 00:33:06.849 --> 00:33:09.170 obviously differences, but for some people it's not. So can you explain that 438 00:33:09.210 --> 00:33:14.160 a little bit? Yeah, so the morning after pill, or plan B 439 00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:22.079 as it's called, is a high dose hormone pill that women take generally after 440 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.589 they've had unprotected sex and are trying to avoid pregnancy. Yeah, so that's 441 00:33:28.630 --> 00:33:30.990 why they take that. So that is not the abortion pill. Now the 442 00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:36.950 way that works. It used to be before they had plan B, if 443 00:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.670 a woman had unprotected sex and did not want to get pregnant, her doctor 444 00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:45.099 would say, we'll just take an extra hormone tablet, an extra birth control 445 00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:50.539 pill. Yeah, to increase the dose. And what that does? It's 446 00:33:50.579 --> 00:33:53.660 a couple of things, and this is found right on the package insert of 447 00:33:53.900 --> 00:33:59.730 birth control pills or on Plan B. The main way that both of those 448 00:33:59.769 --> 00:34:05.049 work is by inhibiting ovulation. So a woman does not ovulate, she does 449 00:34:05.130 --> 00:34:09.960 not put out an egg. Therefore the egg cannot be fertilized and she doesn't 450 00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:15.800 become pregnant. The other ways that it works is that it creates a hostile 451 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.679 environment in the uterus, so it changes the cervical mucus and the lining of 452 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:25.230 the uterus so that if she does become pregnant, or if she's already pregnant 453 00:34:25.269 --> 00:34:34.110 at the time that she takes plan B, then the newly conceived person is 454 00:34:34.349 --> 00:34:38.659 not going to implant. Yeah, and will come out similar to a miscarriage, 455 00:34:38.659 --> 00:34:43.619 except for the the embryo never implanted in the first place. Yeah, 456 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:47.820 and so we'll just come out like a menstrual cycle. Yeah, okay. 457 00:34:49.300 --> 00:34:55.289 So That's plan B. The abortion pill is taken after a woman finds out 458 00:34:55.409 --> 00:35:02.090 she's pregnant, so we're talking for plus weeks, four or more weeks after 459 00:35:02.210 --> 00:35:08.280 she had intercourse, or seven weeks or more after her last minstrel period. 460 00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.719 Yeah, and so, and what that does is it blocks of progesterone receptor, 461 00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:22.070 prevents the blood supply to the placenta to support a baby that's already growing. 462 00:35:22.670 --> 00:35:27.230 That's already implanted, that our has a heartbeat, that already has fingers, 463 00:35:27.269 --> 00:35:31.750 toes and limbs. Yeah, and and that is the abortion pill. 464 00:35:31.909 --> 00:35:37.420 Yeah, is it correct to say? Because I've said it and I've heard 465 00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:39.460 some of our folks say it, it seems a little over the top. 466 00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.659 Maybe we're trying to use terminology, I think, to connect with the people 467 00:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.579 so they understand. But I'll say the abortion pill actually is going to starve 468 00:35:47.659 --> 00:35:51.210 your baby to death. Is that? Is that correct? Maybe just in 469 00:35:51.369 --> 00:35:54.010 regular vernacular to say? I mean, I've used that before, because it 470 00:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.969 is, you know, depleting or denying the developing embryo from food, nutrition 471 00:36:00.210 --> 00:36:04.880 oxygen, so it is starving in and it asphyxiating. I mean the baby 472 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.679 is not receiving oxygen, which we should right, it's not getting nutrition, 473 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.960 it's it's separating the placenta from the uterus, right, right, so that 474 00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.039 it will slough off. So let me ask you, because this is something 475 00:36:15.039 --> 00:36:22.309 I always wondered about and I still actually do wonder I know that the first 476 00:36:22.429 --> 00:36:29.829 pill does not kill the baby, at least not immediately. Correct their nutrition 477 00:36:29.949 --> 00:36:34.820 and their oxygen is being cut off, but it's not instantaneous, which is 478 00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:42.500 what allows the reversal to be able to work. So why is the baby 479 00:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.329 okay? And is the baby okay when you've started? You've already taken that 480 00:36:46.570 --> 00:36:52.929 first pill, so presumably the process is starting of cutting off the nutrition, 481 00:36:52.050 --> 00:36:55.929 the oxygen, everything the baby needs to survive. Then you flood the system 482 00:36:57.010 --> 00:37:01.119 with the progesterone in the abortion pill reversal. Is the baby then okay? 483 00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.280 What are the risks? I know you said initially you don't know, but 484 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.199 now I presume you do have a little bit more information. And will the 485 00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.599 baby be fine? Will the baby develop normally and is everything going to be 486 00:37:15.710 --> 00:37:20.230 fine and all likelihood once you've started the abortion pill reversal? Yeah, that's 487 00:37:20.269 --> 00:37:25.110 a good question and of course our paramount of paramount importance to us as physicians 488 00:37:25.389 --> 00:37:29.989 is the health and safety of the mother and the baby. So that is 489 00:37:30.099 --> 00:37:35.099 always very important in any possible side effects. So studies have actually already been 490 00:37:35.219 --> 00:37:40.460 done by Goot Mocker Institute and, you know, essentially abortion industry, showing 491 00:37:42.179 --> 00:37:47.010 that are you forty six babies who survive? Are you forty six do not 492 00:37:47.130 --> 00:37:53.969 have birth effects, they are mentally and developmentally the same. So it's it's 493 00:37:54.010 --> 00:37:59.239 kind of an all or nothing deal. Okay, it either kills the baby 494 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.239 or the baby's fine. Now insidotech or mims a priest. All that can 495 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.960 the medicine that's given for contractions. If a baby survives after a mother is 496 00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.389 exposed to that or after the baby's exposed to that, there's a five percent 497 00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:20.190 chance of something called mobius syndrome. Okay, and that is where they can 498 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:24.070 have facial nerve palsy's weakness and a facial nerve muscles. They can have problems 499 00:38:24.110 --> 00:38:30.500 with prolysis of their limbs, they can have problems something called Mermaid Syndrome, 500 00:38:30.539 --> 00:38:36.059 where their legs are fused. Okay, this is in babies who have been 501 00:38:36.099 --> 00:38:44.130 exposed to Cytotech or miser pristall this was actually a medicine that was initially used 502 00:38:44.369 --> 00:38:47.010 for stomach upset. Yeah, and so it was used for many, many 503 00:38:47.050 --> 00:38:52.690 years in pregnant women specifically because of all the indigestion that they have, and 504 00:38:52.929 --> 00:38:57.039 they found that women that were taking this, and this we're talking about on 505 00:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.159 a constant basis generally, not a onetime exposure but a constant basis, had 506 00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.039 this possible effect of Mobius Syndrome in their kids. Yeah, now, of 507 00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.230 course our protocol for reversal says don't take that medicine. Right. We don't 508 00:39:12.269 --> 00:39:19.590 want women to take that medicine. If they have taken it, generally still 509 00:39:19.869 --> 00:39:23.030 will look to see if we have a viable fetus and if so, might 510 00:39:23.110 --> 00:39:28.099 be worth trying to reverse. Yeah, but the woman needs to know that 511 00:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.579 she had exposure to CIDEOTECH, music, pristall that was given to her by 512 00:39:31.619 --> 00:39:37.179 the abortion doctor and can possibly cause side effects in the baby. Yeah. 513 00:39:37.179 --> 00:39:42.530 Yeah, what are some ways that, as side wall counselors, but even 514 00:39:42.530 --> 00:39:45.610 as prey Nancy centers, if people are just now kind of getting aware of 515 00:39:45.929 --> 00:39:50.090 abortion pill reversal, what are some of the ways they can like dig a 516 00:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.599 little deeper into this? Some websites and things like that and ultimately, let's 517 00:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.199 say, a pregnancy center? I think all of the pregnancy centers here in 518 00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.440 the area and our area have something in place. If they have a patient 519 00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.079 that comes to them, they can get up connected with Apr. But we 520 00:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.269 are some ways that pregnancy centers and even side we all counselors can get connected 521 00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:09.909 with APR get more information all that stuff. Yeah, the best place to 522 00:40:09.949 --> 00:40:17.550 go is to abortion pill reversalcom. Yeah, and our abortion pill reversal and 523 00:40:17.670 --> 00:40:22.500 network is now run by heartbeat international. Yeah, we turn that over to 524 00:40:22.619 --> 00:40:25.579 them in April, I want to say, of two thousand and sixteen, 525 00:40:25.579 --> 00:40:30.900 or somewhere around there, because they had such an outreach and they are in 526 00:40:30.980 --> 00:40:37.969 so many countries right that now we have abortion pill reversal available in over fifty 527 00:40:37.050 --> 00:40:43.369 countries, in all fifty states, and we've had over twozero babies. We 528 00:40:43.530 --> 00:40:50.000 have around two hundred what we call mission critical phone calls a month, yeah, 529 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.119 where women have taken the abortion pill and are seeking reversal, and so 530 00:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.639 we've built this network of over a thousand providers where we can get women to 531 00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:06.269 a clinic or reversal center, hopefully within an hour. That's we're trying to 532 00:41:06.710 --> 00:41:13.070 get them right. And so abortion pill reversalcom and then the one eight hundred 533 00:41:13.070 --> 00:41:16.190 numbers, or eight seven seven, is the toll free number. Eight seven 534 00:41:16.349 --> 00:41:21.420 seven, five, hundred five, eight zero three and thirty three, and 535 00:41:21.579 --> 00:41:27.699 that's the phone number that women can call if they are seeking to help to 536 00:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.619 reverse their abortion. If anyone calls that number, you can ask them how 537 00:41:32.210 --> 00:41:37.010 can I get more information, and they'll direct you to the right phone number 538 00:41:37.010 --> 00:41:40.650 or to the website. Yeah, and so we enroll providers, we enroll 539 00:41:40.969 --> 00:41:45.769 folks into the network, we make sure that they have everything in place to 540 00:41:45.809 --> 00:41:52.559 be able to receive a woman. You know it's needs to reverse. So 541 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.880 how, how receptive is the Obgyn community at large about abortion pill reverse link? 542 00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.030 And can you just go to just your regular gun in collegist and say 543 00:42:02.070 --> 00:42:06.909 hey, I I want to reverse this abortion? I have had some patients 544 00:42:06.989 --> 00:42:08.949 do that, uhh, and some have been laughed at and some have been 545 00:42:09.469 --> 00:42:16.860 welcomed. Okay, so the American Academy of Pro Life Obgy ends is over 546 00:42:16.980 --> 00:42:23.340 twozero, five hundred providers who endorse abortion pill reversal. These are medical professionals 547 00:42:23.460 --> 00:42:29.539 that are experts in their field and they endorse it. The American College of 548 00:42:29.659 --> 00:42:35.849 Obgui NS, which is a pro choice organization and loudly so, does not 549 00:42:36.090 --> 00:42:43.210 support it and even though we have talk to many of them directly and offered 550 00:42:43.250 --> 00:42:50.280 all the science, they still are not openly endorsing it. Some of their 551 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.239 own providers have said it makes biological sense. They know. They've been in 552 00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:58.829 situations where they have said, well, if my daughter was poisoned with our 553 00:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.869 forty six and one to keep her baby I would probably give her progesterone. 554 00:43:02.070 --> 00:43:07.309 Yeah, so they've admitted that it probably works, but they will not formally 555 00:43:07.429 --> 00:43:12.030 endorse it because it's a political organization. Okay, so the resistance, this 556 00:43:12.309 --> 00:43:15.860 resistance you think is political, because I wanted to ask that there is so 557 00:43:15.019 --> 00:43:20.739 much resistance from the socalled pro choice people. They've already they've already gotten their 558 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:25.460 money, they they've already got the abortion and and if people want to change 559 00:43:25.500 --> 00:43:32.010 their mind, why on Earth would any group oppose trying everything possible to hope 560 00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:37.090 that, especially if good my wife is, we didn't interview with her almost 561 00:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.679 a year ago, is last May, I guess, according to a great 562 00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:46.159 job. Yeah, and so I know because she tells me like what she 563 00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.559 lays out for them. She lays out all the risks. There's not like, 564 00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.320 there's no coercion, there's no like, you know, if you don't 565 00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.230 want to do this, nobody's pressuring you to do this. The women come 566 00:43:55.349 --> 00:43:59.869 to come to her for it. So, yeah, I don't understand a 567 00:43:59.949 --> 00:44:01.469 lot of her question to you. Why, if all the risks are laid 568 00:44:01.510 --> 00:44:05.349 out, no one's forcing anything on these people. If they want to drop 569 00:44:05.429 --> 00:44:07.909 out and stop doing the abortion bility verse, but they can. All of 570 00:44:07.989 --> 00:44:12.699 that is I mean really, we're pro choice in that sense, right, 571 00:44:12.739 --> 00:44:15.500 we're offering a choice. Does the opposition doesn't make sense, knowing. What's 572 00:44:15.539 --> 00:44:20.500 interesting. You know, the study I talked about earlier that they keep citing 573 00:44:21.179 --> 00:44:25.969 about the bleeding issue, right, and that that they feel like research is 574 00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:31.690 not safe, even though the only patients who had dangerous bleeding were the women 575 00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:37.210 who did not get the reversal. Yeah, that study by Dr Michael Crich 576 00:44:37.329 --> 00:44:43.760 and he is or crying and he is the paid consultant for Danko Pharmaceuticals, 577 00:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.559 which is the only producer of, are you forty six, the abortion pill 578 00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.840 in the United States. Yeah, so the conflict of contact interest there. 579 00:44:52.869 --> 00:44:58.150 Also, obviously he had to study stopped because it was proving that it it 580 00:44:58.150 --> 00:45:01.989 worked, and so it's interesting. I can you know, I have a 581 00:45:02.070 --> 00:45:10.179 lot of friends of wide political and religious views and and medical views. I 582 00:45:10.300 --> 00:45:14.860 can always tell which ones are truly pro choice and which ones are truly pro 583 00:45:14.940 --> 00:45:17.900 abortion. Yeah, because the pro my pro choice friends will say, wow, 584 00:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.650 well, if a woman chooses to do that, then we should support 585 00:45:21.730 --> 00:45:27.489 that. Yeah, you know, and that's authentically legitimately pro choice, right. 586 00:45:27.929 --> 00:45:31.210 That's someone who is supporting the choice of a woman. Yeah, but 587 00:45:31.289 --> 00:45:37.239 then the pro abortion folks are not like that. Yeah, right, they 588 00:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.440 will say no, they can't be doing this, they've chosen abortion. We 589 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.079 trust women that they know what they want the first time around and they're never 590 00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.440 pressured. They're never pressured and they're never coerced. And you know, yeah, 591 00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.829 we also know. We know it's like so bunk, like almost every 592 00:45:52.909 --> 00:45:58.710 woman off talked to about the abortion center has coercion happening on some level from 593 00:45:58.750 --> 00:46:01.349 some member of our family or boyfriend or something like. The formal studies say 594 00:46:01.469 --> 00:46:06.900 that ten percent, easy, ten percent, yeah, are coerced or have 595 00:46:07.099 --> 00:46:09.500 pressure to get abortion, and that's probably on the loan. That's got to 596 00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:14.420 be on the low side from what we experiences for sure. Yeah, yeah, 597 00:46:15.739 --> 00:46:17.849 I mean, man, I think we've touched on everything that we've wanted 598 00:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570 to touch on, but is there anything else that you would land as advice 599 00:46:22.690 --> 00:46:28.449 or people in a pregnancy center setting or in a sidewalk counseling setting along the 600 00:46:28.610 --> 00:46:32.000 lines of the APR? I mean I welcome the challenges to the science, 601 00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.639 okay, I mean any good scientist will welcome those challenges. Yeah, and 602 00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.039 you know, we shouldn't be defensive when people are accusing and saying that this 603 00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.840 is dangerous or it doesn't work or whatever. We just we just rely on 604 00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.110 the science, because the science speaks for itself. Yeah, now many of 605 00:46:51.190 --> 00:46:54.710 them will say, oh well, we need controlled studies. You know, 606 00:46:54.869 --> 00:46:59.070 I'm not. I have a real problem with the ethics. Yeah, I 607 00:46:59.150 --> 00:47:02.179 was gonna ask you to study where you take tough thousand women, impregnate them, 608 00:47:02.900 --> 00:47:07.179 give them all the abortion pill and then give only half of them progesterone. 609 00:47:07.539 --> 00:47:10.820 You know that doesn't sit right with me. Yeah, and wondering how 610 00:47:10.900 --> 00:47:15.570 Michael Whatever CRICHTON got away with them. Yes, that does not seem pro 611 00:47:15.650 --> 00:47:20.329 abortions. That's not ethical. It's not. I mean you've you've got women 612 00:47:20.409 --> 00:47:24.730 up, presumably, that wanted to reverse the abortion right in that study him 613 00:47:24.849 --> 00:47:29.809 and that he said, we're going to do this and if the baby survives, 614 00:47:29.889 --> 00:47:31.639 I'll give you an abortion anyway, a surgical abortion. I didn't know 615 00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.880 that end of it. Oh my goodness, these were women, okay, 616 00:47:35.920 --> 00:47:42.480 that all wanted abortions, okay, and they agreed to take progesterone to see 617 00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.789 if their baby would survive and then they were going to get any did. 618 00:47:45.110 --> 00:47:47.949 He went and completed the abortions on all the women, even the ones that 619 00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:52.389 survived. My goodness. Okay, yeah, yeah, but from a pro 620 00:47:52.550 --> 00:47:54.750 life perspective, like we're not going to be I'd be like, you know, 621 00:47:54.789 --> 00:47:58.780 you got a class full of kindergarteners and let me give you half of 622 00:47:58.820 --> 00:48:00.460 them poison the other half of sugar pill, right, and then see how 623 00:48:00.460 --> 00:48:02.860 it works out. If I do give some kind of antidote, it's like, 624 00:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.179 can't do that, no good conscience. So trying to do this kind 625 00:48:07.179 --> 00:48:10.579 of double blind study thing would be really hard. But you know, I'm 626 00:48:10.619 --> 00:48:15.250 not a scientist, I'm not a doctor, but even just having it explain 627 00:48:15.409 --> 00:48:20.690 like you've explained it, kind of the lock and key kind of analogy that 628 00:48:20.809 --> 00:48:23.329 you gave, you know, and and just kind of just understanding a little 629 00:48:23.329 --> 00:48:29.280 bit about how the abortion pill works, it seems the job with me. 630 00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.360 It seems to make sense. Yeah, and we we do. We use 631 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.000 it's called retrospective studies. So these are all women who decided on their own 632 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.440 to pursue reversal. We didn't recruit them into a study, we did not 633 00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.349 force them into a study. These are women who contacted us and we kept 634 00:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.909 track of them and how they took their medicine and what their success rates were. 635 00:48:49.389 --> 00:48:52.989 And this is in two thousand and twelve are, I'm sorry, two 636 00:48:52.030 --> 00:48:55.699 thousand and eighteen, and was published in the issues in law and medicine. 637 00:48:55.940 --> 00:49:00.579 And we had five hundred forty seven women who met criteria to stay in the 638 00:49:00.619 --> 00:49:04.139 study. These are women who continue with the protocols. They didn't change their 639 00:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.780 mind and go get a surgical abortion. They stayed in the in the study, 640 00:49:07.219 --> 00:49:13.369 and of those women overall there's a forty eight percent reversal success rate. 641 00:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.849 Yeah, and that's that's some women who only took it for a week, 642 00:49:15.969 --> 00:49:22.090 that's some women, you know, who maybe took some shots, some pills, 643 00:49:22.090 --> 00:49:27.639 different things. But in the women who took the shots as directed and 644 00:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.480 finished them all completely, and of the women who took the pills correctly and 645 00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.800 finished them all, those had a sixty four percent success rate. In a 646 00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.869 sixty eight percent success rate. And so these this is a retrospective study showing 647 00:49:40.949 --> 00:49:45.710 what can happen if a woman takes the progester incorrectly, and that is way 648 00:49:45.829 --> 00:49:52.230 better than just a hit or miss. Well, seven to twenty five percent. 649 00:49:52.309 --> 00:49:55.340 If you do nothing, yeah, will survive, and so it definitely, 650 00:49:55.739 --> 00:50:00.940 you know, it definitely makes a difference to support with progesterone for a 651 00:50:00.980 --> 00:50:05.300 woman is taking the abortion pill to try to reverse that into support their pregnancy. 652 00:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.929 Yeah, yeah, does it make a difference based on the age of 653 00:50:07.969 --> 00:50:13.210 the baby? It probably does. We have some of those numbers broken down. 654 00:50:13.809 --> 00:50:17.769 It seems like the younger the gestational age of the embryo, the more 655 00:50:20.050 --> 00:50:22.159 fragile they are. Yeah, that would make sense. YEA, and the 656 00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.679 further along they are they're more likely they are to succeed and be able to 657 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.039 reverse okay, yeah, yeah, I know, just in I mean my 658 00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.519 wife doesn't share specifics because of hip a stuff as far as how long people 659 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.190 are, but she's just kind of told me generally what she's observed. If 660 00:50:37.230 --> 00:50:42.030 they're further along that it seems like there's a better success rate. Just kind 661 00:50:42.030 --> 00:50:45.190 of an anecdotal look at it. It seems to make sense that that baby's 662 00:50:45.550 --> 00:50:50.940 well settled in there and and able to resist the effects of the mephoprist on 663 00:50:50.980 --> 00:50:53.940 a little more the older they are. But I know we've been blessed here. 664 00:50:54.019 --> 00:50:59.739 Locally. I know two sets of twins that were saved from abortion and 665 00:51:00.579 --> 00:51:02.739 one young lady text my wife, I think, on their own, her 666 00:51:02.780 --> 00:51:07.929 twins birthdays every year, just as thank you for for being there for me. 667 00:51:07.130 --> 00:51:12.849 Thank you for doing this abortion reversal. That saved my babies and this 668 00:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.769 is a life saving thing. Man. I appreciate you, Dr Matt, 669 00:51:15.849 --> 00:51:20.920 and just being open to the Lord really in that what you said. Justine 670 00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.119 says like this Holy Spirit download from heaven and two thousand and six right. 671 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.239 Yeah, and in kind of really being a pinteer in this, in this 672 00:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.280 realm. I know there's other doctors. I think Dr Delgatto out on the 673 00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.150 west coast around the same time kind of parented some of the students. Two 674 00:51:36.150 --> 00:51:39.110 years afterwards, without knowing about mine, he came up with the same thing. 675 00:51:39.150 --> 00:51:44.269 Yeah, and he's really the one who really built the network. Okay, 676 00:51:44.909 --> 00:51:52.179 he and Mary Davenport have initially had initially started tracking the women and wrote 677 00:51:52.219 --> 00:51:55.699 the first paper in two thousand and twelve that was published in the annals of 678 00:51:55.739 --> 00:52:01.090 Pharma therapy about six case studies that had been reversed and four of those babies 679 00:52:01.130 --> 00:52:06.050 had lived. And so he is. He has something called culture of life 680 00:52:06.090 --> 00:52:10.889 family services. Okay, and he's a physician like I am. And so, 681 00:52:12.530 --> 00:52:15.570 but he had the same thought that I did. Is just two years 682 00:52:15.610 --> 00:52:19.679 later. Yeah, and it's amazing. I think it's awesome that it happened 683 00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.760 kind of completely separate, yeah, from from from mine, that he had 684 00:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.320 the same thought and kind of the same download. You know, he's a 685 00:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.429 great guy. Yeah, and he speaks all over. So it's great. 686 00:52:30.429 --> 00:52:35.349 We have a west coast and we have an east coast a representative. Yeah, 687 00:52:36.190 --> 00:52:39.389 that's really exciting. But another thing that people can do. I know 688 00:52:39.469 --> 00:52:45.380 that a lot of crisis preenacy centers have ultrasound units on the sidewalk. Yeah, 689 00:52:45.699 --> 00:52:50.980 as do we in Charlotte, and that is a perfect opportunity to attack 690 00:52:51.300 --> 00:52:54.260 that abortion pill right as soon as they walk out of the door. Yeah, 691 00:52:54.420 --> 00:52:58.460 because we can do an ultrasound on the bus and we can deliver that 692 00:52:58.650 --> 00:53:02.650 first dose of Progesteron before it start doing any damage to the baby. Yeah, 693 00:53:02.849 --> 00:53:07.489 and so that's a really that's something that Cristis preency centers should look into 694 00:53:07.610 --> 00:53:12.489 with their medical directors. Is At is that something that they can pursue? 695 00:53:12.690 --> 00:53:15.039 Yeah, I just love and we do call out as soon as we see 696 00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.800 a woman walk out the door, we know the abortionist has arrived. We 697 00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.920 always call out about abortion pill reversal and I'll often say God is a god 698 00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.909 of second chances and he's giving you a second chance and I love that abortion 699 00:53:28.949 --> 00:53:36.030 pill reversal really demonstrate that that God is never done with us. He does 700 00:53:36.230 --> 00:53:40.659 give us opportunities to overcome the horrific things that we have done in our life. 701 00:53:42.340 --> 00:53:45.900 So I just I thank you so much. You are just really a 702 00:53:45.059 --> 00:53:49.659 hero to so many women and to so many of us counselors out there who 703 00:53:49.739 --> 00:53:53.139 feel desperation as we see those women leaving, and to know he there is 704 00:53:53.260 --> 00:53:59.130 something we can still offer even after they've taken that pill and these bombs are 705 00:53:59.170 --> 00:54:02.170 really you know, I see them as the heroes because they are going against 706 00:54:02.170 --> 00:54:06.289 a lot of odds, a lot of pressure, a lot of uncertainty. 707 00:54:06.769 --> 00:54:08.210 They might not have jobs, they might not have support, they might not 708 00:54:08.329 --> 00:54:14.000 have housing, and they say, you know what, I'm going to say 709 00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:19.000 this baby and even if the reversal doesn't work, they have already started the 710 00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.360 healing process. That's right of what they've done and now they've known, well, 711 00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.349 at least I tried to do something, yeah, to help save my 712 00:54:25.429 --> 00:54:30.949 baby, and it really makes a huge difference in the Morn, in the 713 00:54:30.030 --> 00:54:34.550 grieving process when they do lose their if they do lose their child. Yeah, 714 00:54:34.750 --> 00:54:37.349 but but they are my heroes and decide what counselors that are out there 715 00:54:37.429 --> 00:54:44.139 every single day. I can't be out there every day and there are giving 716 00:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.139 resources or giving hope, are building relationships. That's what it's all about, 717 00:54:47.539 --> 00:54:52.489 is their building relationships with these women who are really desperate for for help. 718 00:54:52.849 --> 00:54:57.090 Yeah, and that's what I see is as the real heroes here and that 719 00:54:57.329 --> 00:55:00.530 are able to just to point them to me and I get I get to 720 00:55:00.570 --> 00:55:04.570 see all the fun stuff. Yeah, that's good. Well, brother, 721 00:55:04.650 --> 00:55:09.239 we appreciate your appreciate your encouragement and appreciate your strong stand for life and and 722 00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.159 again, appreciate being open, you being open to the Lord, to poneer 723 00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.159 this whole thing and two thousand plus baby saved from the abortion pill really at 724 00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.309 that very last even really beyond the very last moment, because they're engaged in 725 00:55:24.349 --> 00:55:29.190 the abortion process when, by God's grace, we're able to pull them back 726 00:55:29.230 --> 00:55:31.869 through the abortion reversal. So just appreciate that and we appreciate you guys that 727 00:55:31.949 --> 00:55:36.619 are listening and hope this podcast has been a blessing to you. As Dr 728 00:55:36.659 --> 00:55:39.820 Matt mentioned, you can go to APR, believe it's aprcom, abortion P 729 00:55:39.980 --> 00:55:45.739 REVERSALCOM, and get more information. If you don't have a pregnancy center in 730 00:55:45.820 --> 00:55:51.769 your area that does the abortion pill reversal, I'll do my best reach out 731 00:55:51.809 --> 00:55:54.130 to meet Daniel at Love Life Dot Org and bring my wife into the conversation, 732 00:55:54.210 --> 00:55:58.889 who could maybe even have a conversation with your local pregnancy center about getting 733 00:55:58.929 --> 00:56:02.809 this started. We would certainly do everything we can to get that started and, 734 00:56:04.210 --> 00:56:06.519 you know, just put it to prayer. If you don't have a 735 00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.880 pregnancy center that's willing to do this in your area, put it to prayer. 736 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:13.920 God can burn their hearts. This is definitely a lifesaving resource that we 737 00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.360 need to have available in our area. There's a massive network, though, 738 00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:22.110 and I ever, growing network with the abortion reversalcom folks. So go on 739 00:56:22.150 --> 00:56:24.750 that website, connect with those guys and reach out to us, as we 740 00:56:24.789 --> 00:56:28.829 always encourage you guys. Reach out and let us know of their subjects you 741 00:56:28.829 --> 00:56:30.909 want us to cover on this podcast, how we can encourage you. We 742 00:56:30.989 --> 00:56:35.579 want to continue to encourage and equip you guys. But until next time, 743 00:56:35.820 --> 00:56:52.530 God bless our love for love. Give me our love for gratitude. I 744 00:56:52.849 --> 00:57:01.239 know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you