The First Ever Abortion Pill Reversal

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.839I am yours. I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life200:00:05.919 --> 00:00:10.070podcasts and this episode we do anawesome interview with a doctor by the name300:00:10.070 --> 00:00:14.189of Dr Matt Harrison, who pioneeredthe abortion pool reversal procedure. He's going400:00:14.230 --> 00:00:17.789to talk about his background, someof the science behind the abortion poo reversal500:00:17.989 --> 00:00:21.500and how you can use this tominister at the abortion center. Stay tuned.600:00:23.660 --> 00:00:36.329I felt show passish touch your welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.700:00:36.409 --> 00:00:39.570Appreciate you guys joining us and,as always, we appreciate if you800:00:39.609 --> 00:00:43.250guys would share this podcast, ifyou would leave us review, because we900:00:43.329 --> 00:00:46.090need reviews. We need some positivereviews. We've got a lot of negative1000:00:46.130 --> 00:00:50.719reviews from some of our pro choiceopposition. That's okay, you know,1100:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.479we pray for them, but wewant to hear what you guys think about1200:00:53.479 --> 00:00:57.520this podcast. We want you guysto share this podcast. We specifically focus1300:00:57.560 --> 00:01:00.439on people that are doing ministry onthe sidewalks ad abortion centers. We want1400:01:00.479 --> 00:01:03.590to help, encourage and equip peoplethat are doing that ministry, but also1500:01:04.269 --> 00:01:07.950in pregnancy centers and in every otherarea of pro life ministry. Want to1600:01:07.989 --> 00:01:11.829help encouraging equip people. So ifyou know people that would benefit from this1700:01:11.870 --> 00:01:15.469podcast, please share this and pleasealso reach out to us let us know1800:01:15.590 --> 00:01:19.140subjects that you would like for usto cover. We have had a couple1900:01:19.180 --> 00:01:21.579of people reach out to us andwe've covered those subjects. Who Want to2000:01:21.620 --> 00:01:25.819do that, and so I havehere today we have kind of a special2100:01:25.859 --> 00:01:29.939guest and a special podcast. I'vegot Dr Matt Harrison here, who is2200:01:30.140 --> 00:01:34.250really one of the poneers in theabortion pill reversal procedure. So he's going2300:01:34.290 --> 00:01:37.450to talk about that. He's goingto talk about some of the things that,2400:01:37.530 --> 00:01:40.969hopefully, within this world of fault, will help equip you guys on2500:01:41.049 --> 00:01:45.209the sidewalk and in a pregnancy centersetting, or whatever that's setting might be.2600:01:45.769 --> 00:01:48.280So we're going to talk about theabortion pill. Took a little bit2700:01:48.319 --> 00:01:52.640about how that works, about howthe abortion pill reversal procedure works. Anything2800:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.400you want to jump in and say, Vicky, before we introduce Dr Matt?2900:01:55.680 --> 00:02:00.040Well, just that it is acommon misperception that once they have the3000:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.430abortion it's done with, and that'sof course true with surgical but with a3100:02:04.590 --> 00:02:07.710pill abortion it can be reversed andjust knowing that and knowing some of the3200:02:07.870 --> 00:02:13.509details about that, I think arereally critical in our work as sidewalk counsel.3300:02:13.669 --> 00:02:16.500So we are delighted to have DrMatt here. Yeah, it's gonna3400:02:16.539 --> 00:02:20.780be Awesome, Dr Matt, forquite a few years. Yeah, years3500:02:20.780 --> 00:02:23.300it's been at this point, butyeah, a while. But go ahead3600:02:23.340 --> 00:02:25.819and give a little introduction of yourself, Dr Matt, and just little be3700:02:25.939 --> 00:02:30.650your background and your involvement in prelife work and things like that. Okay,3800:02:30.729 --> 00:02:32.889thanks, really great to be heretoday, guys. I love this3900:02:34.009 --> 00:02:38.050format because it gives us a chanceto really delve deeper into these topics and4000:02:38.169 --> 00:02:40.930not just scratch the surface, whichsometimes that can be dangerous. But if4100:02:40.969 --> 00:02:46.039we get deeper and talk about thescience, it's really you know, it's4200:02:46.039 --> 00:02:50.560really great to be able to backup what we're doing, yeah, in4300:02:50.639 --> 00:02:54.840a scientific way, so and makepeople feel comfortable about promoting this on the4400:02:54.919 --> 00:03:00.349sidewalks. So I got I movedto Charlotte in two thousand and one met4500:03:00.430 --> 00:03:04.870a good friend of y'all's, FlipBenham. Yeah, shortly they're after he4600:03:04.990 --> 00:03:10.389really challenged me to become more activeand my pro life walk. I was4700:03:10.469 --> 00:03:14.819pro life at the time, butwasn't really doing a whole lot about it4800:03:14.979 --> 00:03:19.939other than in my practice. Wehad a practice that was support, starting4900:03:19.979 --> 00:03:23.659to support abortion vulnerable women, womenwho had come from the sidewalk. So5000:03:23.740 --> 00:03:29.650we'd give them free prenatal care anddelivery services and and then we got active5100:03:29.689 --> 00:03:35.810with the crisis pregnancy centers close by. So so that's kind of how I5200:03:35.969 --> 00:03:39.569came to Charlotte. I have abeautiful wife, Kathleen, who is faithful5300:03:39.810 --> 00:03:46.680and support. I couldn't do evenninety percent of what I do without without5400:03:46.719 --> 00:03:51.199her support. Cost of support,yeah, and back up. And she5500:03:51.520 --> 00:03:57.710and I've raised seven fantastic kids,wow, and and many of them will5600:03:57.789 --> 00:04:03.110come down intermittently to the abortion clinicand prey and and so that was has5700:04:03.189 --> 00:04:09.150always kind of been a part oftheir life as well. So the the5800:04:09.349 --> 00:04:15.020abortion pill reversal ministry really just kindof came out of the blue and in5900:04:15.300 --> 00:04:20.860two thousand and six yeah, Iwas at my clinic in concord at the6000:04:20.939 --> 00:04:25.689time. I was doing full rangefamily practice medicine with a statricks as well,6100:04:26.529 --> 00:04:29.769and I was involved in the crisispregnacy center and a young lady had6200:04:30.290 --> 00:04:34.209gone to the abortion one of theabortion centers here in Charlotte. They're three6300:04:34.290 --> 00:04:40.120of them and she had been pressuredby our boyfriend to have an abortion.6400:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.519She really didn't want to do it. She is raised in a Christian home6500:04:43.399 --> 00:04:46.560and they didn't let her get tosee hear the heartbeat. Yeah, we're6600:04:46.560 --> 00:04:51.480see anything on the ultrasound. Butthey gave her the abortion pill and told6700:04:51.519 --> 00:04:57.670her to swallow it and said,you know, take the other pills two6800:04:57.709 --> 00:05:00.829days later to complete the abortion.So she went out in the parking lot6900:05:00.990 --> 00:05:05.310and just was, you know,completely distraught about what she had done.7000:05:05.310 --> 00:05:11.180Right regretted it immediately. She couldn'tmake herself throw up or anything to try7100:05:11.180 --> 00:05:15.300to get rid of the medication.So she went home and just essentially cried7200:05:15.339 --> 00:05:18.300about it for twenty four hours andthen finally told her mother. Now her7300:05:18.620 --> 00:05:21.689boyfriend had said, you know,if your parents find out that you're pregnant,7400:05:21.889 --> 00:05:25.930they're going to kick you out,you're not going to be successful at7500:05:25.970 --> 00:05:28.769school, you're gonna have to dropout of your program. They he kind7600:05:28.769 --> 00:05:31.410of threatened her with all these differentthings. Yeah, but her parents were7700:05:31.810 --> 00:05:36.399good Christian, supportive parents. Immediatelythey said we will do whatever we can7800:05:36.480 --> 00:05:43.079to help our grandchild. Wow,and they immediately, you know, recognize7900:05:43.480 --> 00:05:48.120the personhood of that baby that shewas carrying it and supported her. So8000:05:48.319 --> 00:05:54.990they took her to the Kabarus crisispregnacy in her combers women's center. Yeah,8100:05:55.269 --> 00:05:58.110and I was on the board atthe time, and so they called8200:05:58.269 --> 00:06:00.470me and said, you know,we have this young lady who's taking the8300:06:00.509 --> 00:06:02.589abortion pill. What can we do? And I said, well, I've8400:06:02.629 --> 00:06:08.339no idea, go ahead and sendher over. Yeah, so she's they8500:06:08.420 --> 00:06:12.860sent her over and you know,this is around lunchtime on, I guess,8600:06:12.899 --> 00:06:15.740a Thursday. I think a Thursday, and I really had no idea8700:06:15.740 --> 00:06:18.329what to do. She had takenthe bill about thirty six hours prior to8800:06:18.410 --> 00:06:23.649that. And you know, thisis not the kind of thing they teach8900:06:23.649 --> 00:06:26.649you how to do in medicals,know how to reverse an abortion or what9000:06:26.730 --> 00:06:30.810to do in a case like this. But you know, I was raising9100:06:30.850 --> 00:06:34.199a family of you know, alot of people are engineers and carpenters and9200:06:34.240 --> 00:06:38.680construction people and people who figure thingsout. Oh yeah, and so it's9300:06:38.680 --> 00:06:41.959always just kind of, I think, ingrained in me to try to figure9400:06:41.959 --> 00:06:45.959things out. And so I toldher I just have to think about this9500:06:46.079 --> 00:06:48.029I stepped out of the room andliterally went into my office across the hallway,9600:06:48.069 --> 00:06:50.629prayed about it, started thinking aboutthe you know, looking at the9700:06:50.670 --> 00:06:58.509physician desk referns about how the abortionpill works. And we were doing fertility9800:06:58.509 --> 00:07:04.379treatments in our office at the timeto help women who had low progesterone and9900:07:04.899 --> 00:07:10.540they would have frequent miscarriages, thathave short cycles and frequent miscarriages. So10000:07:10.579 --> 00:07:14.579we had progester and available in theoffice and my partner in the practice,10100:07:14.620 --> 00:07:19.850Danny Holland have was a certified consultant, fertility consultant for doing this what's called10200:07:19.889 --> 00:07:26.850nap technology, and and so youknow really what you know. Justin reader10300:07:27.050 --> 00:07:29.930likes to say that I had agod download and that's what it felt like.10400:07:30.160 --> 00:07:32.040You know, it felt like adownload, it felt like a light10500:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.800went off. I was like,you know it, are you forty six10600:07:35.240 --> 00:07:43.160blocks the progesterone receptor. It's starvesthe placenta of nutrients, of blood circulation.10700:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.829That's the abortion pill, you're saying. Yes, right. So the10800:07:45.910 --> 00:07:50.069are you forty six is kind ofa scientific name or research name for the10900:07:50.110 --> 00:07:56.470abortion pill. The brand or thename that is common use as mythopristone,11000:07:57.189 --> 00:08:01.779and so methapristone is the abortion pillis already forty six and that blocks the11100:08:01.860 --> 00:08:07.339progesterone receptor. And I done alot of research in protein receptor biology.11200:08:07.819 --> 00:08:15.009I got two masters in protein receptorbiology and I've done research in rat brain11300:08:16.490 --> 00:08:20.009receptors and it published in the fieldand I start thinking, you know,11400:08:20.529 --> 00:08:26.639it just simple biology. If youhave the abortion pill which is blocking the11500:08:28.120 --> 00:08:33.679progesterone receptor, if we put inmore progesterone and try to outcompete that,11600:08:33.879 --> 00:08:39.759are you forty six the abortion pill? Then we might be able to outdo11700:08:39.840 --> 00:08:46.190it and reactivate the the receptor sothat we can restore the blood flow to11800:08:46.309 --> 00:08:50.149the placenta and support the baby.Yeah, so are you forty six?11900:08:52.470 --> 00:08:56.220Is a tight binder, binds abouttwice as strongly as progesterone does to the12000:08:56.700 --> 00:09:03.539to the receptor, and so wefigured if we give her extra progesterone,12100:09:03.940 --> 00:09:07.419and that's not a one and donelike, it doesn't lock on and then12200:09:07.460 --> 00:09:11.009never release. It's always in astate of flux, and so at any12300:09:11.090 --> 00:09:16.690given time a receptor is binding.Are you forty six, and releasing it12400:09:16.049 --> 00:09:20.289okay, but it's in a stateof flux. And so if we just12500:09:20.409 --> 00:09:26.080put in more progesterone, then there'sa better chance that a good key that12600:09:26.200 --> 00:09:33.559will turn into that lock and activatethe receptor will support that pregnancy. And12700:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.789so a gay at explain this toor now. PROGESTERONE has been used safely12800:09:37.909 --> 00:09:43.629in women that are pregnant for fiftyyears. Yeah, no bad side effects,12900:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.429no scary side effects, especially inthe doses that we use, which13000:09:48.429 --> 00:09:54.419are really essentially biologically identical levels.Yeah, to what is is normally in13100:09:54.460 --> 00:10:00.500a woman's system. So in alot of obgy in offic has they give13200:10:00.899 --> 00:10:07.370Debo Pervara shots. These are longacting progesterone shots that are extremely high dose13300:10:07.850 --> 00:10:13.649progesterone that stop ovulation. Yeah,they can also cause miscarriages bout creating an13400:10:13.370 --> 00:10:18.370a bad environment for a baby that'sgoing to implant, but the main way13500:10:18.409 --> 00:10:22.519they work is by preventing ovulation.But these are very high doses of progesterone13600:10:24.799 --> 00:10:28.000and the American College of Obstritions,and God in College, is support the13700:10:28.080 --> 00:10:33.200use of this. Yeah, butit has lots of problems with clotting,13800:10:33.320 --> 00:10:39.149lots of problems with osteoporosis and otherside effects, and so we don't use13900:10:39.190 --> 00:10:46.429high, high doses of progesterone.We use biodentical progesterone and essentially what we've14000:10:46.429 --> 00:10:50.139been working on using just enough tobe able to reverse smorry forty six.14100:10:50.220 --> 00:10:54.059So basically you're just saying that thedose of progesterone that's use any abortion people14200:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.379reversal would be similar to what awoman's body would produce correct being pregnant and14300:10:58.620 --> 00:11:03.570without the yeah, counteraction of themyphopriston right. So we're increasing it a14400:11:03.610 --> 00:11:09.610little bit, but not like twentyor a hundred drives as much. So14500:11:11.169 --> 00:11:13.889I explain this to her. Isaid, you know, you know this14600:11:13.090 --> 00:11:18.409does carry some risk because you knowthis is not something that's been done before.14700:11:18.409 --> 00:11:22.519Yeah, this is two thousand andsix. And I said it could14800:11:22.559 --> 00:11:28.679cause you not to release the babyand the baby could stay inside of you14900:11:28.879 --> 00:11:31.080longer and we have to watch youvery closely to make sure that you don't15000:11:31.120 --> 00:11:35.950get infected. Yeah, and hatare carrying, you know, a baby15100:11:35.029 --> 00:11:39.590that's passed and then not able toget it, get the baby out,15200:11:39.710 --> 00:11:43.950and that could cause problems for her. And so we knew that going in15300:11:46.190 --> 00:11:48.580and so I talked to her andshe said absolutely, I want to try15400:11:48.620 --> 00:11:52.820this. Yeah, I will dowhatever it takes to save my baby.15500:11:52.860 --> 00:11:56.340And as as a physician who's donea lot of ear work and I work15600:11:56.419 --> 00:12:03.169in critical care and I do Iget into situations where people are dying,15700:12:03.169 --> 00:12:09.169yeah, actively dying. Sometimes youhave to do whatever you can too,15800:12:11.210 --> 00:12:13.889in some of these things are notprotocols. Got To think outside we got15900:12:13.009 --> 00:12:16.559to think outside the box exactly,and so you have to be creative and16000:12:16.679 --> 00:12:18.559you have to think, you know, what can I do? I mean16100:12:18.600 --> 00:12:26.480I've used different types of tubes thatwere available at the time to place into16200:12:26.519 --> 00:12:28.879a patient so that they could breathe, rather than tracheostomy too. Yeah,16300:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.909I mean, is that FD approved? Will know, but I had to16400:12:31.950 --> 00:12:35.509do that to keep that person alive. Yeah, so this is kind of16500:12:35.509 --> 00:12:39.149the state we're in. We havea patient who is literally dying in front16600:12:39.190 --> 00:12:43.429of me, the baby. Yeah, and the mother is really wanting to16700:12:43.549 --> 00:12:46.700save the baby. I'm not goingto just say sorry, there's nothing I16800:12:46.779 --> 00:12:50.820can do. So we decided toproceed with the progesterone shot. So we16900:12:50.860 --> 00:12:56.059gave her two hundred milligrams of aninjection and we're going to see her the17000:12:56.100 --> 00:12:58.649next week so that that week end, is a Friday night. She called,17100:12:58.769 --> 00:13:05.529she said she's starting to bleed.Yeah, and we said and of17200:13:05.610 --> 00:13:07.250course, before we did that,we made sure that her baby was still17300:13:07.529 --> 00:13:13.600living. Yeah, we found aheartbeat and she said they that she was17400:13:13.600 --> 00:13:18.519starting to Blee. So we're reallyafraid that the abortion was happening. There's17500:13:18.559 --> 00:13:20.759nothing we could do. Yeah,but we were you know, we knew17600:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.639the guys at the emergency room,we knew the doctors that worked there,17700:13:24.840 --> 00:13:26.870they knew how we practice medicine.So we sent it to the emergency room17800:13:28.870 --> 00:13:33.990and so they saw her and theydid an ultrasound and she got to visually17900:13:35.029 --> 00:13:39.309see her baby for the first time. Yeah, and see that heart fluttering.18000:13:39.389 --> 00:13:41.620And she said, if that's allthat I'd gotten out of it,18100:13:41.700 --> 00:13:43.740I would have been excited because Iactually got to see my baby. who18200:13:45.139 --> 00:13:48.860how old was the baby shows,right at eight weeks. Okay, yeah,18300:13:48.899 --> 00:13:54.500right at eight weeks. So,but the bait in the baby's heart18400:13:54.580 --> 00:13:58.289was beating. So the doctors thankfullysaid go home and hope for the best.18500:13:58.610 --> 00:14:01.610I know many doctors in that situationwould have said, Oh, let's18600:14:01.649 --> 00:14:05.090call it would be and go geta DNC. Yeah, because this baby's18700:14:05.129 --> 00:14:09.480doomed, right, but espacially,knowing that she taking the abortion pill exactly.18800:14:09.600 --> 00:14:13.360And you know, doctors are veryafraid of liability. They're afraid,18900:14:15.519 --> 00:14:18.879you know, if a baby hasa bad outcome or if a baby,19000:14:18.080 --> 00:14:22.440you know, is you know,has something wrong, that they're going to19100:14:22.480 --> 00:14:24.909get sued. It's some point.All those risks were clearly laid out for19200:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.669her like right, the risk,of course, to her, like you19300:14:28.870 --> 00:14:31.269just talked about, but also therisk to the baby, because this is19400:14:31.309 --> 00:14:33.389unknown. This is like didn't know, we don't know it's right. Didn't19500:14:33.429 --> 00:14:39.299know. So so she went homeand stopped bleeding. They did see what's19600:14:39.340 --> 00:14:45.139called a choreonic CIST, a littlehemorrhage cyst on her, on her Placena,19700:14:45.740 --> 00:14:50.700but healed up. Does essentially,if our forty six is working,19800:14:50.940 --> 00:14:56.330that cysts would get bigger and biggerand bigger than you the placenta would separate19900:14:56.409 --> 00:14:58.330away. Yeah, can I ascuDECIS. So does that cyst form?20000:14:58.370 --> 00:15:03.529Because she had taken the abortion pillars. That something that can happen at any20100:15:03.610 --> 00:15:07.879time. It can happen in evenin normal pregnancies. I can happen sure.20200:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.480So she went home, she cameback Monday and we checked the heartbeat20300:15:13.480 --> 00:15:18.159and the baby still living and shewasn't bleeding bleeding anymore. So we kept20400:15:18.200 --> 00:15:24.549giving her progester and two hundred milligramstwice a week up until we went far20500:15:24.669 --> 00:15:28.029into pregnancy because we didn't really knowexactly how long we need to support it20600:15:28.070 --> 00:15:31.429back then. And so we areinto the into the twenty some weeks,20700:15:31.470 --> 00:15:35.190and we were checking her progesterone levelsto make sure that she was matching and20800:15:35.269 --> 00:15:37.700being where she need to be.Yeah, and then we're able to stop20900:15:37.740 --> 00:15:41.899the injections and rite at forty weeksshe had a beautiful little girl named Kaylee.21000:15:43.019 --> 00:15:48.980Yeah, perfectly healthy. Placena washealthy and now Kaylee is. She's21100:15:50.009 --> 00:15:54.409born in two thousand and seven.So she is now one of the math21200:15:54.570 --> 00:15:58.929is fourteen year the doctors is fourteenyears old. Don't ask me to spend21300:15:58.210 --> 00:16:02.370and don't ask me to do math. So during that whole time period,21400:16:02.490 --> 00:16:06.320were you doing ultrasounds and looking atthe development of the baby? Does see21500:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.240and the baby is was progressing justperfectly fine. No issue, shoes said,21600:16:11.240 --> 00:16:12.840always use. Wow, no issues. Yeah, so I want to21700:16:12.840 --> 00:16:17.679kind of if we can will itback. I think it's good for us21800:16:17.679 --> 00:16:19.590to have a story and kind ofa storyline to work with and people to21900:16:19.629 --> 00:16:22.590see that like this thing actually playedout. And it's not the only time.22000:16:22.669 --> 00:16:26.350This is like the first time it'shappened as far as we know,22100:16:26.990 --> 00:16:30.909but we've seen this happen a bunchwhere, you know, over the years,22200:16:30.149 --> 00:16:33.299I don't know how many babies havebeen saved through the abortion peel reversal22300:16:33.460 --> 00:16:37.059procedure. You know how over twoTho. Yeah, amazing. So this22400:16:37.299 --> 00:16:41.179story has played out time and timeagain. But let's will it back to22500:16:42.220 --> 00:16:45.980just some of the basics of howthe abortion pill works, just so those22600:16:47.019 --> 00:16:51.450folks who are ministering can explain this, because there is a lot of there's22700:16:51.450 --> 00:16:55.009a lot of misunderstanding, like Imentioned before we started recording, even talking22800:16:55.090 --> 00:17:00.250to pretty season pro life people,there's this conflation of the abortion pell procedure22900:17:00.730 --> 00:17:03.879and the morning after pills. That'sone thing, and there's also this idea23000:17:03.960 --> 00:17:06.920that the abortion pill it's just it'sjust one peel, but it's actually an23100:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.759abortion pel procedure. Right. It'sto medications. Talk a little bit about23200:17:10.920 --> 00:17:14.160you already talked about Metha Priston,but talk about kind of how the procedure23300:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.869works, time frames and things likethat, if you can sure so,23400:17:18.589 --> 00:17:27.269mythoprist own are ready forty six abortionpill was was approved in two thousand,23500:17:27.309 --> 00:17:32.259I believe. It was for usein the United States up to seven weeks23600:17:32.259 --> 00:17:42.980of pregnancy and at six hundred milligramdose. Shortly they're after doctors started using23700:17:44.019 --> 00:17:47.569it off label. Okay, andthey were using it at lower and lower23800:17:47.690 --> 00:17:52.170doses down to two hundred milligrams,and they're using it at hiring higher gestational23900:17:52.170 --> 00:17:57.089ages up to ten weeks. Okay. And now I've seen, I've had24000:17:57.170 --> 00:18:00.400patients come and say they've got itthirteen weeks. Wow, I'm just crazy.24100:18:00.440 --> 00:18:03.079I mean that's a big baby.Yeah, it's a big baby.24200:18:06.200 --> 00:18:11.279And then so what they do isthey take the two hundred Milligram Mytho Pris24300:18:11.359 --> 00:18:18.950stone and then one to two dayslater they take eight hundred micrograms of CIDOTECH24400:18:18.990 --> 00:18:23.670or Mesa pristall, which is amedicine that causes the uterus to contract.24500:18:23.710 --> 00:18:32.299Yeah, and that they expel thebaby and placenta and all the products of24600:18:32.339 --> 00:18:36.099conception, and they do that athome. Yeah, so they watch them24700:18:36.180 --> 00:18:38.539take the pill, then they givethem the medicine to go home or in24800:18:38.579 --> 00:18:42.849a hotel room. Yeah, andif any of Youall had seen the movie24900:18:44.569 --> 00:18:48.970UN planned, yeah, you know, that gave a pretty accurate description,25000:18:49.009 --> 00:18:53.490or you know, of how itplays out. Yeah, we're how it25100:18:53.529 --> 00:18:59.839can. It can be, youknow, quite bloody and very distressful to25200:19:00.000 --> 00:19:06.640the woman that's going through this.So and then and often they're left alone25300:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.470to go through that, which is, you know, which is horrible and25400:19:10.630 --> 00:19:14.589really not good healthcare, right.Yeah, and so this is one of25500:19:14.630 --> 00:19:17.269the problems we can talk about.Tell a medicine, tell him. Yet25600:19:17.309 --> 00:19:18.630they want to touch on that,because I've been getting a lot of questions25700:19:18.710 --> 00:19:23.900for people about that's going to be. FDA just approved the use of Mephopriston,25800:19:25.460 --> 00:19:27.500like over telemed and all this.Like what does what does that mean?25900:19:27.940 --> 00:19:30.740I actually, you know, dugand try to figure out what that26000:19:30.819 --> 00:19:36.259actually means, and my understanding isit's potentially like a state by state decision.26100:19:36.299 --> 00:19:40.450Or is that like a woman cannow just call up plant parenthood and26200:19:40.490 --> 00:19:41.609say, yeah, want the abortionpeels? So maybe you could touch on26300:19:41.730 --> 00:19:45.490that as you're kind of talking aboutall this. Yeah. So, I26400:19:45.609 --> 00:19:48.490mean we go ahead and talk aboutthe Tele Medicine. I mean tell medicine26500:19:48.529 --> 00:19:53.519has been done in the past indistributing certain medications in the way they do26600:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.960it. You can imagine someone upin Alaska where they don't have a doctor26700:19:57.519 --> 00:20:00.640but they have a clinic where apatient goes into. They might have a26800:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.400nurse or they might have a nursepractitioner or a physician assistant or someone like26900:20:04.480 --> 00:20:10.470that, and they literally will havea computer sitting on a desk and the27000:20:10.589 --> 00:20:14.990desk will have a locked drawer,okay, and so the doctor on the27100:20:15.029 --> 00:20:18.349computer will interview the patient and thenthey'll push a button, the drawer open27200:20:19.309 --> 00:20:23.259and the medicine is dispensed to thepatient. Okay, so that's kind of27300:20:23.299 --> 00:20:30.619how the logistics work of it.In in a tele medicine abortion it'd be27400:20:30.740 --> 00:20:34.380similar to that. But they shouldbe doing, even according to their own27500:20:34.619 --> 00:20:38.250rules, ultrasounds. Yeah, sothey'd have to have someone to do an27600:20:38.250 --> 00:20:44.930ultrasound and to make sure that there'snot an ectopic pregnancy, and ectopic pregnancy27700:20:45.450 --> 00:20:48.849is a pregnancy that occurs outside ofthe womb. Sometimes that's in a tube,27800:20:49.480 --> 00:20:56.440sometimes it's in the vagina, sometimesit's in the cervix, sometimes it's27900:20:56.480 --> 00:21:00.160in the abdomen. Yeah, itcan be a bunch of different places and28000:21:00.440 --> 00:21:06.789if you try to give someone theabortion pill when they have an ectopic pregnancy,28100:21:07.789 --> 00:21:12.470then that could obviously lead to theirdeath. Yeah, if you similarly,28200:21:12.509 --> 00:21:17.509if you reverse a pregnancy, thatis a topic that is dangerous.28300:21:17.509 --> 00:21:22.420Yeah, and the person who hasan ectopic pregnancy needs specialized care shore take28400:21:22.460 --> 00:21:26.099care of that surgical situation. Howdoes want to mention we did have a28500:21:26.220 --> 00:21:30.700situation, I believe was back intwo thousand and six or seven, with28600:21:30.859 --> 00:21:33.369one of the doctors here locally,Dr Ron Vermont. I don't know if28700:21:33.410 --> 00:21:38.410you're marvious, but he actually didthat very thing, gave the abortion pill28800:21:38.650 --> 00:21:42.170to a young lady who had anectopic pregnancy, and our understanding is just28900:21:42.210 --> 00:21:47.160a little investigation we've done, shedid die. Her flippian two ruptured and29000:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.839she bled to death because of justwhat you're talking about. Yeah, because29100:21:49.880 --> 00:21:53.359even if you were too, evenif the bay were to die, which29200:21:53.519 --> 00:21:59.559they typically always will, and anectopic prenancy anyway, you still have that29300:21:59.880 --> 00:22:03.750ectopic pregnancy there, that that isa growth that has increased blood. So29400:22:03.869 --> 00:22:07.789apply that can rupture. Yeah,and that can get infected and the patient29500:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.789can die. So it's really essentiallya surgical emergency, yes, to be29600:22:11.869 --> 00:22:17.660taken care of. So so that'sone of our big concerns with telemedicine is29700:22:17.660 --> 00:22:22.579it's going to be marketed to peoplewho are nowhere near a doctor, yeah,29800:22:22.660 --> 00:22:26.140or a hospital, yeah, ora clinic, and they're going to29900:22:26.180 --> 00:22:30.009be given abortion pills and we've alreadyseen in their own studies that, especially30000:22:30.049 --> 00:22:34.809if they don't take the second partof the abortion procedure, the CIDOTECH,30100:22:36.329 --> 00:22:41.289then they can have dangerous and deadlybleeding. Yeah, so you're so these30200:22:41.369 --> 00:22:47.039doctors that are going to do telemedicine abortions are going to give methopristone,30300:22:47.039 --> 00:22:49.240the abortion pill, to women whoare way out in the middle of nowhere30400:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.839with no access to surgeries or hospitalsor emergency rooms, and they're counting on30500:22:55.920 --> 00:23:00.430them to take a second the seconddose that's going to increase the the contractions30600:23:00.869 --> 00:23:06.509and expel all the products and stopthe bleeding. But they're I mean,30700:23:07.230 --> 00:23:11.589I've been practicing medicine for almost twentyfive years and there's some patients who either30800:23:11.630 --> 00:23:17.660don't know how to take messine correctlyor lose medicine or their dogate it or30900:23:17.900 --> 00:23:21.779something happens. You know, andthis is very dangerous procedure, a really,31000:23:22.099 --> 00:23:26.099I mean dangerous beyond, you know, even what they're currently doing,31100:23:26.259 --> 00:23:29.690which is dangerous enough. Well,even you introduced it saying, you know,31200:23:29.849 --> 00:23:33.210we in a normal procedure. Theymust do an ultrasound, they must31300:23:33.210 --> 00:23:36.369see where that baby is. Soso and you said. So they would31400:23:36.369 --> 00:23:38.490have to get to an ultrasound,but they're not right with tell them at31500:23:38.529 --> 00:23:42.480to said. Know, how onearth is that going to be? They31600:23:42.640 --> 00:23:48.319have to go someplace to get theultrasound and then they will distribute the pills.31700:23:48.440 --> 00:23:51.519Or how possibly? Well, Iknow it's going to happen in real31800:23:51.559 --> 00:23:53.880life. They're not going to manyexactly get ultrasounds, because I've already know31900:23:55.750 --> 00:23:59.750that women get the area forty sixwithout getting ULTRACA, right. I mean,32000:23:59.789 --> 00:24:02.990that happens in Charlotte, that happensin cities. Oh No, they32100:24:03.069 --> 00:24:04.549never did nultrasound, they just gaveme the pill, right. I mean32200:24:04.670 --> 00:24:07.710I hear that a lot. Yeah, so it's going to that's going to32300:24:07.789 --> 00:24:11.779happen a whole lot more. Yeah, once they're out in the middle of32400:24:11.819 --> 00:24:14.660nowhere. Yeah, and one things. It's disturbing as you hear all these32500:24:14.700 --> 00:24:18.619statistics about, oh, abortion issafer than than childbirth. Right, you32600:24:18.700 --> 00:24:26.890know, these these abortions, thesestatistics are completely warped. It's interesting.32700:24:27.329 --> 00:24:33.490I've I work in critical care medicine, emerge the room medicine. In the32800:24:33.569 --> 00:24:40.279past I've filled out death certificates inNorth Carolina. On the death certificate North32900:24:40.319 --> 00:24:45.599Carolina there's a specific box that everyonefills out if the woman was, if33000:24:45.680 --> 00:24:51.319the patient was a female one,where they pregnant in the last year?33100:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.869To where they pregnant the last sixmonths? Three, where they pregnant the33200:24:55.869 --> 00:24:59.390last three months, for were theynot pregnant? Five, you know.33300:24:59.430 --> 00:25:04.670So it goes down this this list. So if a woman had become pregnant33400:25:06.069 --> 00:25:11.619and then had an abortion and thenhad a complication from the procedure, the33500:25:11.740 --> 00:25:15.059only thing that it shows on thefirst on the death certificate is that she33600:25:15.140 --> 00:25:19.380had a pregnancy related death. Itdoesn't say that she died from abortion.33700:25:19.900 --> 00:25:23.289Wow, it says she died froma hemorrhage or she died from a grope33800:25:23.369 --> 00:25:29.529ruptured uterus or whatever. Wow,and then they have the little checkpock that33900:25:29.609 --> 00:25:34.650says it was a pregnancy related death. And so there's really makes it appear34000:25:34.690 --> 00:25:38.440actually the opposite of the truth,that that the pregnancy is what killed her,34100:25:38.839 --> 00:25:42.960not the abortion, and that's whythey can come out and say pregnancy34200:25:44.079 --> 00:25:47.920is more dangerous than an abortion.That's evil, that's pure evil. Yeah,34300:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.230and it's very misleading to women.It scares them into getting abortions right.34400:25:51.869 --> 00:25:56.230So, yeah, so I foreseethat happening a lot in these women34500:25:56.269 --> 00:26:00.470who are way out in the wildernesssomewhere and they're going to blame it on34600:26:00.589 --> 00:26:07.579her being pregnant when actually it wastaking mythopristone and then bleeding to that.34700:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.019Yeah, yeah, well, thatjust in reading some of them, trying34800:26:11.019 --> 00:26:14.980to actually pull that information up now, but I can't find it on the34900:26:15.019 --> 00:26:18.259fly. But we've gotten a holdof some of the information that they give35000:26:18.299 --> 00:26:22.410them at the latrobe abortion center righthere. They give them kind of like35100:26:22.490 --> 00:26:25.970a risks sheet, fine print.If you're going to take the abortion bill.35200:26:26.009 --> 00:26:27.210Here's the fine print, and there'sone sheet, and it's been a35300:26:27.250 --> 00:26:30.490while soon as I read it,from the National Abortion Federation, but it35400:26:30.650 --> 00:26:36.160talks about the risks associated with takingthe abortion peel in. One of those35500:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.200risks is, it says, oneout of five hundred women to take the35600:26:38.240 --> 00:26:41.799abortion pill, to go through theabortion peole procedure will require a blood transfusion.35700:26:42.200 --> 00:26:47.309That's sound right, that sound likeI mean to me that's that's that's35800:26:47.349 --> 00:26:49.589a pretty daunting statistic. Yeah,it seemed. That seems pretty high.35900:26:49.589 --> 00:26:56.029Yeah, I'm not exactly sure wherethey got those statistics, but of course36000:26:56.069 --> 00:27:02.380that's what happened in the study thatthey used to try to refute abortion pill36100:27:02.460 --> 00:27:10.859reversal. Right, so Michael Craneand who is an abortion advocate, said36200:27:10.859 --> 00:27:17.009that he would study abortion pill reversaland he took twelve women, gave them36300:27:17.049 --> 00:27:22.970all the are you forty six abortionpill. Half of those women he gave36400:27:22.410 --> 00:27:26.490progesterone at our doses, and halfof them he gave a sugar pill.36500:27:27.490 --> 00:27:36.160Gave them nothing to for the theabortion or anything. Yeah, one woman36600:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.400from each group dropped out, sothat left five. And Five. Okay,36700:27:38.720 --> 00:27:44.160they just decided they wanted to justgo get the abortion. So of36800:27:44.470 --> 00:27:52.710the five women who received progesterone,two weeks later, four of those women36900:27:52.950 --> 00:27:59.180still had living pregnancies. So eightyper scent of the women who had gotten37000:27:59.619 --> 00:28:06.500progesterone had reversed their abortions and onceyou're two weeks out that it's done,37100:28:07.140 --> 00:28:11.500you're you're out of the clear becausepretty safe because are forty six only last37200:28:11.579 --> 00:28:15.769in the body from its half lifeis eighteen hours, eighteen to twenty hours.37300:28:15.930 --> 00:28:18.970So after seventy two hours it's apretty much completely a ren eliminated from37400:28:18.970 --> 00:28:23.089your body after three to four days. Okay. So two weeks out they37500:28:23.170 --> 00:28:30.160had eighty percent of the babies werestill living. Wow. The one woman,37600:28:30.279 --> 00:28:37.960the one patient who who had unsuccessfulreversal, was bleeding at home.37700:28:38.119 --> 00:28:42.029She called an ambulance, the ambulancetook her to the emergency room. She37800:28:42.150 --> 00:28:47.069completed the abortion. She did notrequire a DNC, she did not require37900:28:47.150 --> 00:28:52.069surgery, she did not require atransfusion. She essentially had the abortion right38000:28:52.150 --> 00:28:57.059it completed. Okay, so thatwas the one in the other group where38100:28:57.059 --> 00:29:02.259he gave the abortion pill and thena sugar pill, didn't give progesterone,38200:29:02.299 --> 00:29:07.819did not give side attack. Twoof those women had severe bleeding. They38300:29:07.900 --> 00:29:12.210both called the ambulance, they bothwent to the emergency room, they both38400:29:12.369 --> 00:29:21.650required surgeries. DNC's the most commonsurgical procedure in America, and one of38500:29:21.650 --> 00:29:26.839them required a blood transfusion. Sothen he stopped the study, saying that38600:29:26.920 --> 00:29:33.160studying abortion pill reversal is too dangerous. Okay, obviously the dangerous part was38700:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.480the fact that one he didn't followtheir protocols, their own protocols. Yeah,38800:29:37.589 --> 00:29:42.309and the women who receive progesterone didnot have any dangerous bleeding. Is38900:29:42.390 --> 00:29:47.349Only the women who got the abortionpill and then a sugar pill afterwards.39000:29:47.509 --> 00:29:57.220Wow, and forty percent of hispatients had surviving pregnancy, surviving pregnancies at39100:29:57.259 --> 00:30:03.980the end of that. So doingnothing gave him, in a very small39200:30:04.059 --> 00:30:11.809study, forty percent survival rate.Okay, giving progesterone gave an eighty percent39300:30:11.930 --> 00:30:18.650survival rate. Okay. So reallyhis study completely proved our points. You39400:30:18.809 --> 00:30:22.359did and prove that. I meanit's such a small study can't really bring39500:30:22.400 --> 00:30:27.160a real conclusions, but if nothingelse, it shows that more research should39600:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.359be done. Yeah, in progesteronereversing abortions. Yeah, well, but39700:30:32.519 --> 00:30:38.269his conclusion was rep misrepresenting really whathad happened, and that is often what's39800:30:38.309 --> 00:30:42.710quoted. I've heard it quoted bypeople that the Medios to this. Yeah,39900:30:42.750 --> 00:30:45.349the media pick that up and thenran with it. Yeah, and40000:30:45.509 --> 00:30:49.500so that's what they use those thatthey're talking points. Yeah, but if40100:30:49.539 --> 00:30:52.819they really read the study, andI've talked with some of these folks on40200:30:52.900 --> 00:30:56.740the sidewalk and actually explain it tohim, and then they really didn't have40300:30:56.779 --> 00:31:00.819a home much whole lot to say. Yeah, so I am actually looking40400:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.009up just what I mentioned to you. This is the sheet that is made40500:31:04.049 --> 00:31:07.369from the National Abortion Federation. Youcan find it on pro choice dot org40600:31:08.609 --> 00:31:12.529and it actually says that possible sideeffects of a miss mephpist on abortion.40700:31:12.650 --> 00:31:18.599Side effects such as pain, crampingand vaginal bleeding result from the abortion process40800:31:18.599 --> 00:31:22.400itself and are therefore expected with aMeta medical abortion. Other side effects may40900:31:22.400 --> 00:31:26.640include nausea, vomiting, diarrhea,chills and fever. Complications are rare but41000:31:26.759 --> 00:31:33.269may include infection, excessive vaginal bleedingrequiring transfusion and in parenthes is prinheses.41100:31:33.309 --> 00:31:37.150It says occurs in approximately one infive hundred cases. So that's the national41200:31:37.150 --> 00:31:42.069abortion federations. That's these probe quotepro choice people. That's what they say.41300:31:42.430 --> 00:31:47.180You think about how many medical abortionsare done each day? Yeah,41400:31:48.220 --> 00:31:52.819and that's a lot of asusions.Yeah, another way I communicate it to41500:31:52.420 --> 00:31:56.539is I'm training people to Minister onthe sidewalk and how you talk to people41600:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.859that are going into the abortion center. And this is how I talked to41700:31:59.940 --> 00:32:01.849MOMS or dads that are going intothe abortion center. As I say,41800:32:02.250 --> 00:32:05.849you know, ask him if areyou here for the abortion pill? If41900:32:05.849 --> 00:32:07.609I can get that far with them. If they say yeah, I say42000:32:07.890 --> 00:32:10.650you know the paperwork they're going togive you. Please read the fine print,42100:32:10.690 --> 00:32:15.130because it says one out of fivehundred women that go through that procedure42200:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.279will require blood transfusion. And ifyou're here to hide the fact that you're42300:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.720pregnant from your family, how areyou going to explain to them if you're42400:32:22.759 --> 00:32:23.839one of that? Pray you're not, but if you are one of those42500:32:23.880 --> 00:32:28.359five, one out of five hundredthat ends up in the hospital, you're42600:32:28.400 --> 00:32:30.430going to have to explain like whyare you there? What? Why are42700:32:30.470 --> 00:32:34.230you bleeding and all of this and, you know, kind of, I42800:32:34.309 --> 00:32:37.710guess, playing on that whole factorif they want to hide what they're doing42900:32:37.630 --> 00:32:39.990when you know, be careful,your sin will find you out. Kind43000:32:40.029 --> 00:32:44.299of dynamic going on there, youknow. So it's a little bit of43100:32:44.339 --> 00:32:45.660a rabbit trawer. where I wantedto go with this because I do want43200:32:45.700 --> 00:32:50.940to kind of help people that areon the sidewalk understand the differences, and43300:32:51.059 --> 00:32:54.259you've explained it, I think,very clearly with how the abortion pill procedure43400:32:54.980 --> 00:33:00.650works. But there is again thisconflation of the abortion pill in the morning43500:33:00.690 --> 00:33:04.210after pell. So can you justdescribe real quick what the differences are?43600:33:04.369 --> 00:33:06.809No fruit. For you and meit's like, okay, does there's there's43700:33:06.849 --> 00:33:09.170obviously differences, but for some peopleit's not. So can you explain that43800:33:09.210 --> 00:33:14.160a little bit? Yeah, sothe morning after pill, or plan B43900:33:15.160 --> 00:33:22.079as it's called, is a highdose hormone pill that women take generally after44000:33:22.160 --> 00:33:28.589they've had unprotected sex and are tryingto avoid pregnancy. Yeah, so that's44100:33:28.630 --> 00:33:30.990why they take that. So thatis not the abortion pill. Now the44200:33:31.069 --> 00:33:36.950way that works. It used tobe before they had plan B, if44300:33:37.029 --> 00:33:39.670a woman had unprotected sex and didnot want to get pregnant, her doctor44400:33:39.670 --> 00:33:45.099would say, we'll just take anextra hormone tablet, an extra birth control44500:33:45.259 --> 00:33:50.539pill. Yeah, to increase thedose. And what that does? It's44600:33:50.579 --> 00:33:53.660a couple of things, and thisis found right on the package insert of44700:33:53.900 --> 00:33:59.730birth control pills or on Plan B. The main way that both of those44800:33:59.769 --> 00:34:05.049work is by inhibiting ovulation. Soa woman does not ovulate, she does44900:34:05.130 --> 00:34:09.960not put out an egg. Thereforethe egg cannot be fertilized and she doesn't45000:34:09.960 --> 00:34:15.800become pregnant. The other ways thatit works is that it creates a hostile45100:34:15.880 --> 00:34:20.679environment in the uterus, so itchanges the cervical mucus and the lining of45200:34:20.760 --> 00:34:25.230the uterus so that if she doesbecome pregnant, or if she's already pregnant45300:34:25.269 --> 00:34:34.110at the time that she takes planB, then the newly conceived person is45400:34:34.349 --> 00:34:38.659not going to implant. Yeah,and will come out similar to a miscarriage,45500:34:38.659 --> 00:34:43.619except for the the embryo never implantedin the first place. Yeah,45600:34:44.380 --> 00:34:47.820and so we'll just come out likea menstrual cycle. Yeah, okay.45700:34:49.300 --> 00:34:55.289So That's plan B. The abortionpill is taken after a woman finds out45800:34:55.409 --> 00:35:02.090she's pregnant, so we're talking forplus weeks, four or more weeks after45900:35:02.210 --> 00:35:08.280she had intercourse, or seven weeksor more after her last minstrel period.46000:35:08.320 --> 00:35:14.719Yeah, and so, and whatthat does is it blocks of progesterone receptor,46100:35:14.880 --> 00:35:22.070prevents the blood supply to the placentato support a baby that's already growing.46200:35:22.670 --> 00:35:27.230That's already implanted, that our hasa heartbeat, that already has fingers,46300:35:27.269 --> 00:35:31.750toes and limbs. Yeah, andand that is the abortion pill.46400:35:31.909 --> 00:35:37.420Yeah, is it correct to say? Because I've said it and I've heard46500:35:37.500 --> 00:35:39.460some of our folks say it,it seems a little over the top.46600:35:39.659 --> 00:35:44.659Maybe we're trying to use terminology,I think, to connect with the people46700:35:44.699 --> 00:35:47.579so they understand. But I'll saythe abortion pill actually is going to starve46800:35:47.659 --> 00:35:51.210your baby to death. Is that? Is that correct? Maybe just in46900:35:51.369 --> 00:35:54.010regular vernacular to say? I mean, I've used that before, because it47000:35:54.170 --> 00:36:00.969is, you know, depleting ordenying the developing embryo from food, nutrition47100:36:00.210 --> 00:36:04.880oxygen, so it is starving inand it asphyxiating. I mean the baby47200:36:05.000 --> 00:36:07.679is not receiving oxygen, which weshould right, it's not getting nutrition,47300:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.960it's it's separating the placenta from theuterus, right, right, so that47400:36:13.320 --> 00:36:15.039it will slough off. So letme ask you, because this is something47500:36:15.039 --> 00:36:22.309I always wondered about and I stillactually do wonder I know that the first47600:36:22.429 --> 00:36:29.829pill does not kill the baby,at least not immediately. Correct their nutrition47700:36:29.949 --> 00:36:34.820and their oxygen is being cut off, but it's not instantaneous, which is47800:36:34.980 --> 00:36:42.500what allows the reversal to be ableto work. So why is the baby47900:36:42.780 --> 00:36:46.329okay? And is the baby okaywhen you've started? You've already taken that48000:36:46.570 --> 00:36:52.929first pill, so presumably the processis starting of cutting off the nutrition,48100:36:52.050 --> 00:36:55.929the oxygen, everything the baby needsto survive. Then you flood the system48200:36:57.010 --> 00:37:01.119with the progesterone in the abortion pillreversal. Is the baby then okay?48300:37:01.800 --> 00:37:06.280What are the risks? I knowyou said initially you don't know, but48400:37:06.760 --> 00:37:12.199now I presume you do have alittle bit more information. And will the48500:37:12.280 --> 00:37:15.599baby be fine? Will the babydevelop normally and is everything going to be48600:37:15.710 --> 00:37:20.230fine and all likelihood once you've startedthe abortion pill reversal? Yeah, that's48700:37:20.269 --> 00:37:25.110a good question and of course ourparamount of paramount importance to us as physicians48800:37:25.389 --> 00:37:29.989is the health and safety of themother and the baby. So that is48900:37:30.099 --> 00:37:35.099always very important in any possible sideeffects. So studies have actually already been49000:37:35.219 --> 00:37:40.460done by Goot Mocker Institute and,you know, essentially abortion industry, showing49100:37:42.179 --> 00:37:47.010that are you forty six babies whosurvive? Are you forty six do not49200:37:47.130 --> 00:37:53.969have birth effects, they are mentallyand developmentally the same. So it's it's49300:37:54.010 --> 00:37:59.239kind of an all or nothing deal. Okay, it either kills the baby49400:37:59.440 --> 00:38:04.239or the baby's fine. Now insidotechor mims a priest. All that can49500:38:04.559 --> 00:38:09.960the medicine that's given for contractions.If a baby survives after a mother is49600:38:10.039 --> 00:38:15.389exposed to that or after the baby'sexposed to that, there's a five percent49700:38:15.510 --> 00:38:20.190chance of something called mobius syndrome.Okay, and that is where they can49800:38:20.230 --> 00:38:24.070have facial nerve palsy's weakness and afacial nerve muscles. They can have problems49900:38:24.110 --> 00:38:30.500with prolysis of their limbs, theycan have problems something called Mermaid Syndrome,50000:38:30.539 --> 00:38:36.059where their legs are fused. Okay, this is in babies who have been50100:38:36.099 --> 00:38:44.130exposed to Cytotech or miser pristall thiswas actually a medicine that was initially used50200:38:44.369 --> 00:38:47.010for stomach upset. Yeah, andso it was used for many, many50300:38:47.050 --> 00:38:52.690years in pregnant women specifically because ofall the indigestion that they have, and50400:38:52.929 --> 00:38:57.039they found that women that were takingthis, and this we're talking about on50500:38:57.159 --> 00:39:02.159a constant basis generally, not aonetime exposure but a constant basis, had50600:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.039this possible effect of Mobius Syndrome intheir kids. Yeah, now, of50700:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.230course our protocol for reversal says don'ttake that medicine. Right. We don't50800:39:12.269 --> 00:39:19.590want women to take that medicine.If they have taken it, generally still50900:39:19.869 --> 00:39:23.030will look to see if we havea viable fetus and if so, might51000:39:23.110 --> 00:39:28.099be worth trying to reverse. Yeah, but the woman needs to know that51100:39:28.260 --> 00:39:31.579she had exposure to CIDEOTECH, music, pristall that was given to her by51200:39:31.619 --> 00:39:37.179the abortion doctor and can possibly causeside effects in the baby. Yeah.51300:39:37.179 --> 00:39:42.530Yeah, what are some ways that, as side wall counselors, but even51400:39:42.530 --> 00:39:45.610as prey Nancy centers, if peopleare just now kind of getting aware of51500:39:45.929 --> 00:39:50.090abortion pill reversal, what are someof the ways they can like dig a51600:39:50.130 --> 00:39:53.599little deeper into this? Some websitesand things like that and ultimately, let's51700:39:53.639 --> 00:39:57.199say, a pregnancy center? Ithink all of the pregnancy centers here in51800:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.440the area and our area have somethingin place. If they have a patient51900:40:00.480 --> 00:40:04.079that comes to them, they canget up connected with Apr. But we52000:40:04.159 --> 00:40:07.269are some ways that pregnancy centers andeven side we all counselors can get connected52100:40:07.349 --> 00:40:09.909with APR get more information all thatstuff. Yeah, the best place to52200:40:09.949 --> 00:40:17.550go is to abortion pill reversalcom.Yeah, and our abortion pill reversal and52300:40:17.670 --> 00:40:22.500network is now run by heartbeat international. Yeah, we turn that over to52400:40:22.619 --> 00:40:25.579them in April, I want tosay, of two thousand and sixteen,52500:40:25.579 --> 00:40:30.900or somewhere around there, because theyhad such an outreach and they are in52600:40:30.980 --> 00:40:37.969so many countries right that now wehave abortion pill reversal available in over fifty52700:40:37.050 --> 00:40:43.369countries, in all fifty states,and we've had over twozero babies. We52800:40:43.530 --> 00:40:50.000have around two hundred what we callmission critical phone calls a month, yeah,52900:40:50.159 --> 00:40:54.119where women have taken the abortion pilland are seeking reversal, and so53000:40:54.360 --> 00:41:00.639we've built this network of over athousand providers where we can get women to53100:41:00.159 --> 00:41:06.269a clinic or reversal center, hopefullywithin an hour. That's we're trying to53200:41:06.710 --> 00:41:13.070get them right. And so abortionpill reversalcom and then the one eight hundred53300:41:13.070 --> 00:41:16.190numbers, or eight seven seven,is the toll free number. Eight seven53400:41:16.349 --> 00:41:21.420seven, five, hundred five,eight zero three and thirty three, and53500:41:21.579 --> 00:41:27.699that's the phone number that women cancall if they are seeking to help to53600:41:27.820 --> 00:41:31.619reverse their abortion. If anyone callsthat number, you can ask them how53700:41:32.210 --> 00:41:37.010can I get more information, andthey'll direct you to the right phone number53800:41:37.010 --> 00:41:40.650or to the website. Yeah,and so we enroll providers, we enroll53900:41:40.969 --> 00:41:45.769folks into the network, we makesure that they have everything in place to54000:41:45.809 --> 00:41:52.559be able to receive a woman.You know it's needs to reverse. So54100:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.880how, how receptive is the Obgyncommunity at large about abortion pill reverse link?54200:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.030And can you just go to justyour regular gun in collegist and say54300:42:02.070 --> 00:42:06.909hey, I I want to reversethis abortion? I have had some patients54400:42:06.989 --> 00:42:08.949do that, uhh, and somehave been laughed at and some have been54500:42:09.469 --> 00:42:16.860welcomed. Okay, so the AmericanAcademy of Pro Life Obgy ends is over54600:42:16.980 --> 00:42:23.340twozero, five hundred providers who endorseabortion pill reversal. These are medical professionals54700:42:23.460 --> 00:42:29.539that are experts in their field andthey endorse it. The American College of54800:42:29.659 --> 00:42:35.849Obgui NS, which is a prochoice organization and loudly so, does not54900:42:36.090 --> 00:42:43.210support it and even though we havetalk to many of them directly and offered55000:42:43.250 --> 00:42:50.280all the science, they still arenot openly endorsing it. Some of their55100:42:50.320 --> 00:42:53.239own providers have said it makes biologicalsense. They know. They've been in55200:42:53.360 --> 00:42:58.829situations where they have said, well, if my daughter was poisoned with our55300:42:59.070 --> 00:43:01.869forty six and one to keep herbaby I would probably give her progesterone.55400:43:02.070 --> 00:43:07.309Yeah, so they've admitted that itprobably works, but they will not formally55500:43:07.429 --> 00:43:12.030endorse it because it's a political organization. Okay, so the resistance, this55600:43:12.309 --> 00:43:15.860resistance you think is political, becauseI wanted to ask that there is so55700:43:15.019 --> 00:43:20.739much resistance from the socalled pro choicepeople. They've already they've already gotten their55800:43:20.780 --> 00:43:25.460money, they they've already got theabortion and and if people want to change55900:43:25.500 --> 00:43:32.010their mind, why on Earth wouldany group oppose trying everything possible to hope56000:43:32.050 --> 00:43:37.090that, especially if good my wifeis, we didn't interview with her almost56100:43:37.130 --> 00:43:40.679a year ago, is last May, I guess, according to a great56200:43:40.679 --> 00:43:46.159job. Yeah, and so Iknow because she tells me like what she56300:43:46.239 --> 00:43:50.559lays out for them. She laysout all the risks. There's not like,56400:43:50.920 --> 00:43:52.320there's no coercion, there's no like, you know, if you don't56500:43:52.320 --> 00:43:55.230want to do this, nobody's pressuringyou to do this. The women come56600:43:55.349 --> 00:43:59.869to come to her for it.So, yeah, I don't understand a56700:43:59.949 --> 00:44:01.469lot of her question to you.Why, if all the risks are laid56800:44:01.510 --> 00:44:05.349out, no one's forcing anything onthese people. If they want to drop56900:44:05.429 --> 00:44:07.909out and stop doing the abortion bilityverse, but they can. All of57000:44:07.989 --> 00:44:12.699that is I mean really, we'repro choice in that sense, right,57100:44:12.739 --> 00:44:15.500we're offering a choice. Does theopposition doesn't make sense, knowing. What's57200:44:15.539 --> 00:44:20.500interesting. You know, the studyI talked about earlier that they keep citing57300:44:21.179 --> 00:44:25.969about the bleeding issue, right,and that that they feel like research is57400:44:27.050 --> 00:44:31.690not safe, even though the onlypatients who had dangerous bleeding were the women57500:44:31.730 --> 00:44:37.210who did not get the reversal.Yeah, that study by Dr Michael Crich57600:44:37.329 --> 00:44:43.760and he is or crying and heis the paid consultant for Danko Pharmaceuticals,57700:44:43.920 --> 00:44:47.559which is the only producer of,are you forty six, the abortion pill57800:44:47.599 --> 00:44:52.840in the United States. Yeah,so the conflict of contact interest there.57900:44:52.869 --> 00:44:58.150Also, obviously he had to studystopped because it was proving that it it58000:44:58.150 --> 00:45:01.989worked, and so it's interesting.I can you know, I have a58100:45:02.070 --> 00:45:10.179lot of friends of wide political andreligious views and and medical views. I58200:45:10.300 --> 00:45:14.860can always tell which ones are trulypro choice and which ones are truly pro58300:45:14.940 --> 00:45:17.900abortion. Yeah, because the promy pro choice friends will say, wow,58400:45:17.940 --> 00:45:21.650well, if a woman chooses todo that, then we should support58500:45:21.730 --> 00:45:27.489that. Yeah, you know,and that's authentically legitimately pro choice, right.58600:45:27.929 --> 00:45:31.210That's someone who is supporting the choiceof a woman. Yeah, but58700:45:31.289 --> 00:45:37.239then the pro abortion folks are notlike that. Yeah, right, they58800:45:37.280 --> 00:45:39.440will say no, they can't bedoing this, they've chosen abortion. We58900:45:39.639 --> 00:45:44.079trust women that they know what theywant the first time around and they're never59000:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.440pressured. They're never pressured and they'renever coerced. And you know, yeah,59100:45:47.960 --> 00:45:52.829we also know. We know it'slike so bunk, like almost every59200:45:52.909 --> 00:45:58.710woman off talked to about the abortioncenter has coercion happening on some level from59300:45:58.750 --> 00:46:01.349some member of our family or boyfriendor something like. The formal studies say59400:46:01.469 --> 00:46:06.900that ten percent, easy, tenpercent, yeah, are coerced or have59500:46:07.099 --> 00:46:09.500pressure to get abortion, and that'sprobably on the loan. That's got to59600:46:09.539 --> 00:46:14.420be on the low side from whatwe experiences for sure. Yeah, yeah,59700:46:15.739 --> 00:46:17.849I mean, man, I thinkwe've touched on everything that we've wanted59800:46:17.889 --> 00:46:22.570to touch on, but is thereanything else that you would land as advice59900:46:22.690 --> 00:46:28.449or people in a pregnancy center settingor in a sidewalk counseling setting along the60000:46:28.610 --> 00:46:32.000lines of the APR? I meanI welcome the challenges to the science,60100:46:32.280 --> 00:46:37.639okay, I mean any good scientistwill welcome those challenges. Yeah, and60200:46:37.280 --> 00:46:43.039you know, we shouldn't be defensivewhen people are accusing and saying that this60300:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.840is dangerous or it doesn't work orwhatever. We just we just rely on60400:46:45.880 --> 00:46:51.110the science, because the science speaksfor itself. Yeah, now many of60500:46:51.190 --> 00:46:54.710them will say, oh well,we need controlled studies. You know,60600:46:54.869 --> 00:46:59.070I'm not. I have a realproblem with the ethics. Yeah, I60700:46:59.150 --> 00:47:02.179was gonna ask you to study whereyou take tough thousand women, impregnate them,60800:47:02.900 --> 00:47:07.179give them all the abortion pill andthen give only half of them progesterone.60900:47:07.539 --> 00:47:10.820You know that doesn't sit right withme. Yeah, and wondering how61000:47:10.900 --> 00:47:15.570Michael Whatever CRICHTON got away with them. Yes, that does not seem pro61100:47:15.650 --> 00:47:20.329abortions. That's not ethical. It'snot. I mean you've you've got women61200:47:20.409 --> 00:47:24.730up, presumably, that wanted toreverse the abortion right in that study him61300:47:24.849 --> 00:47:29.809and that he said, we're goingto do this and if the baby survives,61400:47:29.889 --> 00:47:31.639I'll give you an abortion anyway,a surgical abortion. I didn't know61500:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.880that end of it. Oh mygoodness, these were women, okay,61600:47:35.920 --> 00:47:42.480that all wanted abortions, okay,and they agreed to take progesterone to see61700:47:42.639 --> 00:47:45.789if their baby would survive and thenthey were going to get any did.61800:47:45.110 --> 00:47:47.949He went and completed the abortions onall the women, even the ones that61900:47:49.070 --> 00:47:52.389survived. My goodness. Okay,yeah, yeah, but from a pro62000:47:52.550 --> 00:47:54.750life perspective, like we're not goingto be I'd be like, you know,62100:47:54.789 --> 00:47:58.780you got a class full of kindergartenersand let me give you half of62200:47:58.820 --> 00:48:00.460them poison the other half of sugarpill, right, and then see how62300:48:00.460 --> 00:48:02.860it works out. If I dogive some kind of antidote, it's like,62400:48:04.380 --> 00:48:07.179can't do that, no good conscience. So trying to do this kind62500:48:07.179 --> 00:48:10.579of double blind study thing would bereally hard. But you know, I'm62600:48:10.619 --> 00:48:15.250not a scientist, I'm not adoctor, but even just having it explain62700:48:15.409 --> 00:48:20.690like you've explained it, kind ofthe lock and key kind of analogy that62800:48:20.809 --> 00:48:23.329you gave, you know, andand just kind of just understanding a little62900:48:23.329 --> 00:48:29.280bit about how the abortion pill works, it seems the job with me.63000:48:29.360 --> 00:48:31.360It seems to make sense. Yeah, and we we do. We use63100:48:31.519 --> 00:48:37.000it's called retrospective studies. So theseare all women who decided on their own63200:48:37.079 --> 00:48:39.440to pursue reversal. We didn't recruitthem into a study, we did not63300:48:39.559 --> 00:48:44.349force them into a study. Theseare women who contacted us and we kept63400:48:44.389 --> 00:48:47.909track of them and how they tooktheir medicine and what their success rates were.63500:48:49.389 --> 00:48:52.989And this is in two thousand andtwelve are, I'm sorry, two63600:48:52.030 --> 00:48:55.699thousand and eighteen, and was publishedin the issues in law and medicine.63700:48:55.940 --> 00:49:00.579And we had five hundred forty sevenwomen who met criteria to stay in the63800:49:00.619 --> 00:49:04.139study. These are women who continuewith the protocols. They didn't change their63900:49:04.139 --> 00:49:07.780mind and go get a surgical abortion. They stayed in the in the study,64000:49:07.219 --> 00:49:13.369and of those women overall there's aforty eight percent reversal success rate.64100:49:13.769 --> 00:49:15.849Yeah, and that's that's some womenwho only took it for a week,64200:49:15.969 --> 00:49:22.090that's some women, you know,who maybe took some shots, some pills,64300:49:22.090 --> 00:49:27.639different things. But in the womenwho took the shots as directed and64400:49:27.840 --> 00:49:31.480finished them all completely, and ofthe women who took the pills correctly and64500:49:31.639 --> 00:49:36.800finished them all, those had asixty four percent success rate. In a64600:49:36.920 --> 00:49:40.869sixty eight percent success rate. Andso these this is a retrospective study showing64700:49:40.949 --> 00:49:45.710what can happen if a woman takesthe progester incorrectly, and that is way64800:49:45.829 --> 00:49:52.230better than just a hit or miss. Well, seven to twenty five percent.64900:49:52.309 --> 00:49:55.340If you do nothing, yeah,will survive, and so it definitely,65000:49:55.739 --> 00:50:00.940you know, it definitely makes adifference to support with progesterone for a65100:50:00.980 --> 00:50:05.300woman is taking the abortion pill totry to reverse that into support their pregnancy.65200:50:05.340 --> 00:50:07.929Yeah, yeah, does it makea difference based on the age of65300:50:07.969 --> 00:50:13.210the baby? It probably does.We have some of those numbers broken down.65400:50:13.809 --> 00:50:17.769It seems like the younger the gestationalage of the embryo, the more65500:50:20.050 --> 00:50:22.159fragile they are. Yeah, thatwould make sense. YEA, and the65600:50:22.280 --> 00:50:27.679further along they are they're more likelythey are to succeed and be able to65700:50:27.760 --> 00:50:30.039reverse okay, yeah, yeah,I know, just in I mean my65800:50:30.119 --> 00:50:35.519wife doesn't share specifics because of hipa stuff as far as how long people65900:50:35.519 --> 00:50:37.190are, but she's just kind oftold me generally what she's observed. If66000:50:37.230 --> 00:50:42.030they're further along that it seems likethere's a better success rate. Just kind66100:50:42.030 --> 00:50:45.190of an anecdotal look at it.It seems to make sense that that baby's66200:50:45.550 --> 00:50:50.940well settled in there and and ableto resist the effects of the mephoprist on66300:50:50.980 --> 00:50:53.940a little more the older they are. But I know we've been blessed here.66400:50:54.019 --> 00:50:59.739Locally. I know two sets oftwins that were saved from abortion and66500:51:00.579 --> 00:51:02.739one young lady text my wife,I think, on their own, her66600:51:02.780 --> 00:51:07.929twins birthdays every year, just asthank you for for being there for me.66700:51:07.130 --> 00:51:12.849Thank you for doing this abortion reversal. That saved my babies and this66800:51:13.010 --> 00:51:15.769is a life saving thing. Man. I appreciate you, Dr Matt,66900:51:15.849 --> 00:51:20.920and just being open to the Lordreally in that what you said. Justine67000:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.119says like this Holy Spirit download fromheaven and two thousand and six right.67100:51:24.159 --> 00:51:29.239Yeah, and in kind of reallybeing a pinteer in this, in this67200:51:29.400 --> 00:51:31.280realm. I know there's other doctors. I think Dr Delgatto out on the67300:51:31.360 --> 00:51:36.150west coast around the same time kindof parented some of the students. Two67400:51:36.150 --> 00:51:39.110years afterwards, without knowing about mine, he came up with the same thing.67500:51:39.150 --> 00:51:44.269Yeah, and he's really the onewho really built the network. Okay,67600:51:44.909 --> 00:51:52.179he and Mary Davenport have initially hadinitially started tracking the women and wrote67700:51:52.219 --> 00:51:55.699the first paper in two thousand andtwelve that was published in the annals of67800:51:55.739 --> 00:52:01.090Pharma therapy about six case studies thathad been reversed and four of those babies67900:52:01.130 --> 00:52:06.050had lived. And so he is. He has something called culture of life68000:52:06.090 --> 00:52:10.889family services. Okay, and he'sa physician like I am. And so,68100:52:12.530 --> 00:52:15.570but he had the same thought thatI did. Is just two years68200:52:15.610 --> 00:52:19.679later. Yeah, and it's amazing. I think it's awesome that it happened68300:52:20.159 --> 00:52:23.760kind of completely separate, yeah,from from from mine, that he had68400:52:23.840 --> 00:52:28.320the same thought and kind of thesame download. You know, he's a68500:52:28.360 --> 00:52:30.429great guy. Yeah, and hespeaks all over. So it's great.68600:52:30.429 --> 00:52:35.349We have a west coast and wehave an east coast a representative. Yeah,68700:52:36.190 --> 00:52:39.389that's really exciting. But another thingthat people can do. I know68800:52:39.469 --> 00:52:45.380that a lot of crisis preenacy centershave ultrasound units on the sidewalk. Yeah,68900:52:45.699 --> 00:52:50.980as do we in Charlotte, andthat is a perfect opportunity to attack69000:52:51.300 --> 00:52:54.260that abortion pill right as soon asthey walk out of the door. Yeah,69100:52:54.420 --> 00:52:58.460because we can do an ultrasound onthe bus and we can deliver that69200:52:58.650 --> 00:53:02.650first dose of Progesteron before it startdoing any damage to the baby. Yeah,69300:53:02.849 --> 00:53:07.489and so that's a really that's somethingthat Cristis preency centers should look into69400:53:07.610 --> 00:53:12.489with their medical directors. Is Atis that something that they can pursue?69500:53:12.690 --> 00:53:15.039Yeah, I just love and wedo call out as soon as we see69600:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.800a woman walk out the door,we know the abortionist has arrived. We69700:53:17.840 --> 00:53:22.920always call out about abortion pill reversaland I'll often say God is a god69800:53:23.039 --> 00:53:28.909of second chances and he's giving youa second chance and I love that abortion69900:53:28.949 --> 00:53:36.030pill reversal really demonstrate that that Godis never done with us. He does70000:53:36.230 --> 00:53:40.659give us opportunities to overcome the horrificthings that we have done in our life.70100:53:42.340 --> 00:53:45.900So I just I thank you somuch. You are just really a70200:53:45.059 --> 00:53:49.659hero to so many women and toso many of us counselors out there who70300:53:49.739 --> 00:53:53.139feel desperation as we see those womenleaving, and to know he there is70400:53:53.260 --> 00:53:59.130something we can still offer even afterthey've taken that pill and these bombs are70500:53:59.170 --> 00:54:02.170really you know, I see themas the heroes because they are going against70600:54:02.170 --> 00:54:06.289a lot of odds, a lotof pressure, a lot of uncertainty.70700:54:06.769 --> 00:54:08.210They might not have jobs, theymight not have support, they might not70800:54:08.329 --> 00:54:14.000have housing, and they say,you know what, I'm going to say70900:54:14.079 --> 00:54:19.000this baby and even if the reversaldoesn't work, they have already started the71000:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.360healing process. That's right of whatthey've done and now they've known, well,71100:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.349at least I tried to do something, yeah, to help save my71200:54:25.429 --> 00:54:30.949baby, and it really makes ahuge difference in the Morn, in the71300:54:30.030 --> 00:54:34.550grieving process when they do lose theirif they do lose their child. Yeah,71400:54:34.750 --> 00:54:37.349but but they are my heroes anddecide what counselors that are out there71500:54:37.429 --> 00:54:44.139every single day. I can't beout there every day and there are giving71600:54:44.219 --> 00:54:47.139resources or giving hope, are buildingrelationships. That's what it's all about,71700:54:47.539 --> 00:54:52.489is their building relationships with these womenwho are really desperate for for help.71800:54:52.849 --> 00:54:57.090Yeah, and that's what I seeis as the real heroes here and that71900:54:57.329 --> 00:55:00.530are able to just to point themto me and I get I get to72000:55:00.570 --> 00:55:04.570see all the fun stuff. Yeah, that's good. Well, brother,72100:55:04.650 --> 00:55:09.239we appreciate your appreciate your encouragement andappreciate your strong stand for life and and72200:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.159again, appreciate being open, youbeing open to the Lord, to poneer72300:55:15.280 --> 00:55:20.159this whole thing and two thousand plusbaby saved from the abortion pill really at72400:55:20.199 --> 00:55:24.309that very last even really beyond thevery last moment, because they're engaged in72500:55:24.349 --> 00:55:29.190the abortion process when, by God'sgrace, we're able to pull them back72600:55:29.230 --> 00:55:31.869through the abortion reversal. So justappreciate that and we appreciate you guys that72700:55:31.949 --> 00:55:36.619are listening and hope this podcast hasbeen a blessing to you. As Dr72800:55:36.659 --> 00:55:39.820Matt mentioned, you can go toAPR, believe it's aprcom, abortion P72900:55:39.980 --> 00:55:45.739REVERSALCOM, and get more information.If you don't have a pregnancy center in73000:55:45.820 --> 00:55:51.769your area that does the abortion pillreversal, I'll do my best reach out73100:55:51.809 --> 00:55:54.130to meet Daniel at Love Life DotOrg and bring my wife into the conversation,73200:55:54.210 --> 00:55:58.889who could maybe even have a conversationwith your local pregnancy center about getting73300:55:58.929 --> 00:56:02.809this started. We would certainly doeverything we can to get that started and,73400:56:04.210 --> 00:56:06.519you know, just put it toprayer. If you don't have a73500:56:06.599 --> 00:56:08.880pregnancy center that's willing to do thisin your area, put it to prayer.73600:56:08.920 --> 00:56:13.920God can burn their hearts. Thisis definitely a lifesaving resource that we73700:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.360need to have available in our area. There's a massive network, though,73800:56:16.400 --> 00:56:22.110and I ever, growing network withthe abortion reversalcom folks. So go on73900:56:22.150 --> 00:56:24.750that website, connect with those guysand reach out to us, as we74000:56:24.789 --> 00:56:28.829always encourage you guys. Reach outand let us know of their subjects you74100:56:28.829 --> 00:56:30.909want us to cover on this podcast, how we can encourage you. We74200:56:30.989 --> 00:56:35.579want to continue to encourage and equipyou guys. But until next time,74300:56:35.820 --> 00:56:52.530God bless our love for love.Give me our love for gratitude. I74400:56:52.849 --> 00:57:01.239know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious in some you