Aug. 28, 2019

The Bible Doesn't Mention Abortion and 4 other Prochoice Arguments

The Bible Doesn't Mention Abortion and 4 other Prochoice Arguments

Some people say that the Bible never talks about abortion and others believe that the Bible supports abortion, even prescribing an abortion in Numbers 5. Arguments in support of abortion come from many different angles. It's important that we know how...


Some people say that the Bible never talks about abortion and others believe that the Bible supports abortion, even prescribing an abortion in Numbers 5. Arguments in support of abortion come from many different angles. It's important that we know how to answer these arguments with grace and truth. Join us as we talk through 5 prochoice arguments. 

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.109 Lord, I am your welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast and this 3 00:00:11.230 --> 00:00:15.550 episode we're going to talk about five pro choice arguments and how to counter those 4 00:00:15.550 --> 00:00:19.510 arguments. Please stay with us as we talked through these important issues. We 5 00:00:19.629 --> 00:00:29.100 hope you're blessed as you this. I felt show passis touch your heart. 6 00:00:31.460 --> 00:00:39.729 Use Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. I have today, as 7 00:00:39.929 --> 00:00:44.210 often do, Vicki here, Vicky, cause you org, is the volunteer 8 00:00:44.289 --> 00:00:48.369 coordinator with cities for life, and my name is Daniel Parks. If you 9 00:00:48.450 --> 00:00:51.640 don't already know, I'm the executive director of cities for life here in Charlotte, 10 00:00:51.640 --> 00:00:56.119 where sidewalk counseling ministry. But we started this podcast to encourage folks with, 11 00:00:56.759 --> 00:01:00.240 you know, a Gospel centered approach to not decide, we all countling, 12 00:01:00.320 --> 00:01:04.950 but to prolife ministry, to pro life thought, to understand that are 13 00:01:06.390 --> 00:01:10.670 thinking about abortion needs to really be thought through in the light of the Gospel. 14 00:01:10.709 --> 00:01:15.349 Yes, and in this episode we're going to talk about five pro choice 15 00:01:15.349 --> 00:01:19.060 arguments and how to counter those pro choice arguments. These are arguments that we 16 00:01:19.180 --> 00:01:23.060 hear from pro choice activists, the arguments that you see on social media, 17 00:01:23.379 --> 00:01:26.980 their arguments that we hear sometimes from abortion mounded women at the abortion and center 18 00:01:27.459 --> 00:01:30.579 and and just in interactions. These are some of the arguments of that come 19 00:01:30.620 --> 00:01:34.370 out. This is not an exhaustive list, this is just five of those 20 00:01:34.650 --> 00:01:38.370 pro choice arguments, but these, you know, countering these arguments, I 21 00:01:38.409 --> 00:01:44.010 think, is important and they're not really too deep. They're not very deep 22 00:01:44.129 --> 00:01:48.159 faults typically, but they do sometimes cause us to Paul's and think, Oh 23 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:49.680 yeah, well, what about that? What about this? Especially when we 24 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:55.120 get into some of the the biblical arguments. See what's funny that we hear 25 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.239 from from pro choice people that you need to know the Bible really has no 26 00:01:57.280 --> 00:02:00.549 validity. And in that first point we're going to deal with tough a little 27 00:02:00.549 --> 00:02:04.829 bit about that. But it's funny how the Bible, Bible really has no 28 00:02:04.870 --> 00:02:07.870 validity to life according to some of these folks. But the Bible says this 29 00:02:07.990 --> 00:02:13.270 or the Bible doesn't say that. So jump right into that that first objection 30 00:02:13.509 --> 00:02:15.819 or first argument that share choice. Be Sure. Okay. So so I 31 00:02:15.900 --> 00:02:23.699 want to preface all of this with whenever I'm in countering these pro socalled pro 32 00:02:23.740 --> 00:02:30.090 choice objections. Sometimes they have some sort of a faith, but most of 33 00:02:30.129 --> 00:02:32.289 the time they do not. Oftentimes they do not. And and so I 34 00:02:32.449 --> 00:02:36.930 think it's always good to consider all of this in terms of not only biblical, 35 00:02:36.969 --> 00:02:40.210 of course biblical is most important to us, Sus a Gospel centered pro 36 00:02:40.370 --> 00:02:47.439 life ministry, but but also can you are go argue for using science, 37 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:52.520 secular facts, and I think you can. The Bible supports the Bible is 38 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:55.680 the author of science. Yeah, science just reflect except how the world works, 39 00:02:55.719 --> 00:03:00.150 which God created this, this world. Yeah. So, so I 40 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:04.629 try to do that whenever I address any of these any of these issues. 41 00:03:04.710 --> 00:03:09.229 So our first question. Will hear this all the time. The Bible doesn't 42 00:03:09.229 --> 00:03:15.180 mention abortion even once. Yeah, and this again it's is from people who 43 00:03:15.219 --> 00:03:19.300 don't believe the Bible right and don't think the Bible has any validity. Did 44 00:03:19.340 --> 00:03:23.259 it to human existence, and yet they say the Bible doesn't mention abortion even 45 00:03:23.300 --> 00:03:25.699 once in the of course what they're trying to do is they're trying to take 46 00:03:25.979 --> 00:03:29.409 you know, the book that you believe in, that you try to use 47 00:03:29.569 --> 00:03:35.409 to to fight against abortion, actually doesn't even mention abortion even once. And 48 00:03:35.530 --> 00:03:38.449 you know that's sort of like one of those questions where you're right. The 49 00:03:38.689 --> 00:03:46.879 word abortion is not in the Bible, but the principle and God being against 50 00:03:46.879 --> 00:03:51.800 abortion is in the Bible because, you know, from our perspective and from 51 00:03:51.879 --> 00:03:55.830 the Biblical perspective, human beings have an intrinsic value. Human beings are made 52 00:03:55.870 --> 00:04:00.669 in the image of God and it's wrong from old to New Testament, it's 53 00:04:00.789 --> 00:04:04.669 wrong to destroy an innocent human life. Right, God is against it's this 54 00:04:04.949 --> 00:04:10.219 the sixth command. So though the Bible doesn't directly say thou shalt not have 55 00:04:10.300 --> 00:04:14.379 an abortion, it does say the Sixth Command and exit this chapter twenty, 56 00:04:14.620 --> 00:04:16.500 thou shalt not kill or thou shalt not murder. Right, right. So 57 00:04:16.660 --> 00:04:20.220 it does mention abortion, right, and there's no exceptions on that. Shown 58 00:04:20.259 --> 00:04:25.769 that murder. It doesn't say Thou shall not murder unless it's unborn human life, 59 00:04:25.810 --> 00:04:29.490 or thou shall not murder unless you're in really dire circumstances, or thou 60 00:04:29.569 --> 00:04:34.170 shall not murder unless you're, you know, wealthy and can drive a Mercedes. 61 00:04:34.649 --> 00:04:39.800 So yeah, the unborn life is still human life. Yeah, and 62 00:04:39.879 --> 00:04:43.639 valuable before God. Right, right, solute, right. So how about 63 00:04:43.639 --> 00:04:48.800 this one? Because because this one, this this part of abortion being mentioned. 64 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:53.870 Then they turn around, like you said, the the pro choice people, 65 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.029 and say, well, what about this passage? Then that does mention 66 00:04:57.069 --> 00:05:02.149 abortion, and they say and they say it, it paints God as causing 67 00:05:02.189 --> 00:05:08.459 an abortion. So so that's in exodus twenty one. Okay, versus twenty 68 00:05:08.540 --> 00:05:10.699 two, hundred and twenty five. Are you? Are you turned there or 69 00:05:10.779 --> 00:05:13.819 I can read it, but if you wanted, yeah, I'll turn there. 70 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:16.939 And this is actually, actually this passage is not. You're maybe thinking 71 00:05:16.939 --> 00:05:19.899 about the numbers passage. Okay, number, Chapter Five. Will get doing 72 00:05:19.980 --> 00:05:23.649 just a minute. Okay, you're right, but this passage is has to 73 00:05:23.730 --> 00:05:26.730 do with you too. If two men are fighting together, and you know, 74 00:05:26.730 --> 00:05:30.329 there's sort of like we don't really kind of grasp why this is mentioned 75 00:05:31.050 --> 00:05:35.000 just like this. Obviously there was something going on where God, through Moses, 76 00:05:35.279 --> 00:05:39.360 mentions this scenario, if two men are striving together, and I think 77 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.160 I know the point here, and some pro abortion people will use it as 78 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:46.519 a point to say abortions okay with God, because you know, basically it 79 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:48.959 says if two men fight together, and this is in Verse Twenty Two of 80 00:05:49.670 --> 00:05:54.589 Exodus Chapter Twenty one, if men fight together and hurt a woman, with 81 00:05:54.829 --> 00:05:59.589 child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet no harm follows, he shall 82 00:05:59.670 --> 00:06:03.149 surely be punished according to the woman's husband or what the woman's husband imposes on 83 00:06:03.230 --> 00:06:06.899 him, and he shall pay as the judge, as a judge's determined. 84 00:06:06.980 --> 00:06:11.540 So if men fighting together like they're bound, they're fighting each other, they're, 85 00:06:12.259 --> 00:06:14.579 you know, angry with each other for whatever reason, and they hit 86 00:06:14.620 --> 00:06:17.569 a pregnant woman and obviously if they hit a pregnant woman there's harm to her. 87 00:06:17.889 --> 00:06:20.930 So what a pro abortion person will say? Well, it's talking about 88 00:06:20.930 --> 00:06:25.290 if there's any harm to her. Well, it's implied that there's going to 89 00:06:25.370 --> 00:06:28.769 be harm to her. The harm that it's talking about later on, as 90 00:06:28.810 --> 00:06:30.649 it goes on to say. But if harm follows, then you shall give 91 00:06:30.970 --> 00:06:35.279 life for life. The harm that follows is this. If she is if 92 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:42.279 she gives birth prematurely because of this scuffle between these two men and they hit 93 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:46.079 her and the baby's okay, then he's just going to have to pay according 94 00:06:46.079 --> 00:06:49.269 to what the husband but if there is harm, which if the baby dies, 95 00:06:50.149 --> 00:06:55.149 then he will give life for life. Right. So, rather than 96 00:06:55.189 --> 00:06:59.870 it being that God's okay with a premature birth here and potentially you know, 97 00:07:00.029 --> 00:07:03.339 and induced abortion from two men fighting together and hitting a pregnant woman. It's 98 00:07:03.339 --> 00:07:08.660 actually establishing the value of that unborn life, that that is a life for 99 00:07:08.779 --> 00:07:13.180 life. That baby dies, then that guy who perpetrated that that crime is 100 00:07:13.259 --> 00:07:15.290 going to lose his life as well. That's right. So that interpretation obviously 101 00:07:15.449 --> 00:07:19.529 counters what the pro choice people are saying, because in that they are saying 102 00:07:19.649 --> 00:07:26.009 that if she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, that it 103 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.600 is talking about the woman, that there's no serious injury to the woman, 104 00:07:30.680 --> 00:07:33.519 but that the baby, they're assuming has died. Yeah, doesn't say that. 105 00:07:33.720 --> 00:07:38.319 Yeah, there are babies that are born prematurely that live, but the 106 00:07:38.439 --> 00:07:41.600 next verse, and so they're saying. And then in the next the next 107 00:07:41.639 --> 00:07:45.709 portion of the verse, when it says that if there is serious injury, 108 00:07:46.310 --> 00:07:47.949 you are to take life for life, and they're saying, but that applies 109 00:07:48.029 --> 00:07:53.670 to the woman. Well know, to me that is in direct directly saying 110 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:57.310 there is serious injury to the baby. Not only is it born prematurely, 111 00:07:57.430 --> 00:08:00.939 but it's they're serious injury. Yeah, and it sounds like death, because 112 00:08:00.980 --> 00:08:05.740 then it says then you are to take life for life. So the the 113 00:08:07.139 --> 00:08:11.220 what I've heard the pro choice people say is in that that that this shows 114 00:08:11.420 --> 00:08:16.810 that that the baby is just property. Yeah, and so there's can be 115 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:22.009 a fine paid if the baby dies. But I don't think that's what that's 116 00:08:22.050 --> 00:08:24.290 what these verses are saying, and that's what that's what you find. Yeah, 117 00:08:24.290 --> 00:08:28.000 beatrue. Yeah, I think rather than saying that God is okay with 118 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:33.120 an abortion of the situation. Yeah, actually the opposite exactly is being conveyed 119 00:08:33.240 --> 00:08:37.279 here, that if she gives birth prematurely, the baby's okay, then they're 120 00:08:37.279 --> 00:08:41.710 going to pay a fine. Yeah, if she gives birth prematurely in the 121 00:08:41.750 --> 00:08:46.269 baby dies, then it's going to be the death penalty for the person who 122 00:08:46.830 --> 00:08:50.070 effectively caused this. Correct this baby correct. So here is something that that 123 00:08:50.269 --> 00:08:54.029 when I first heard this, it kind of took me aback and I didn't 124 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.419 quite know how to deal with it. And and now I you know, 125 00:08:56.740 --> 00:09:01.059 upon further study, will know of this is actually supports a pro life position. 126 00:09:01.059 --> 00:09:03.940 Yeah, so, and it's not just in you, my opinion, 127 00:09:05.019 --> 00:09:09.059 your opinion, if many commentaries about this passage of scripture, it's but you 128 00:09:09.139 --> 00:09:13.889 know, if their commentaries that are that are seasoned by you left this political 129 00:09:13.929 --> 00:09:16.889 persuasions. They'll try to add anything in there, but the vast majority of 130 00:09:18.730 --> 00:09:24.279 commentaries about this particular passage are going to say just what we're saying. And 131 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:30.399 even those who might have it an agenda to think abortion is okay would have 132 00:09:30.480 --> 00:09:35.159 a hard time doing some sort of Hermoneutical backflips in order to make that imply 133 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:39.549 that God's okay with an abortion. The baby's just property right, exactly okay. 134 00:09:39.590 --> 00:09:41.590 And so that the next one, which is the one I thought I 135 00:09:41.669 --> 00:09:45.669 was giving you the first one. So that that's the the one from from 136 00:09:45.669 --> 00:09:48.429 numbers right. Yep, number ship I five. Ever, this a lot 137 00:09:48.629 --> 00:09:52.220 from from pro choice people again, people who are saying, you know, 138 00:09:52.379 --> 00:09:56.100 the Bible really has no validity to life. Why? You know, one 139 00:09:56.179 --> 00:09:58.820 pro choice lady told me of the day the problem is with that book, 140 00:09:58.100 --> 00:10:01.980 it's points that my Bible, that book. That's your problem because you cling 141 00:10:01.100 --> 00:10:05.059 to that thing. And yet she and some of the other pro abortion people 142 00:10:05.059 --> 00:10:09.129 have brought the passage, this passage from that book, exactly about why. 143 00:10:09.289 --> 00:10:13.009 You know, you shouldn't be incourage, you shouldn't be least against abortion. 144 00:10:13.129 --> 00:10:18.570 Actually, God not only is okay with it, he actually induces an abortion 145 00:10:18.649 --> 00:10:22.759 right and numbers checks. That's what they claim. Right again, when I 146 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:28.360 first read it, I'm going to tell you true confessions. I was I 147 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:35.440 was reading Niv translation and if you read the NIV translation, they they actually 148 00:10:35.559 --> 00:10:37.870 have a point. But I know you have done some further research in that. 149 00:10:37.990 --> 00:10:41.389 So what don't you maybe read us this passage and tell us what? 150 00:10:41.669 --> 00:10:43.190 Yeah, so I'll give you the scenario rather than the reading through the whole 151 00:10:43.269 --> 00:10:46.350 thing. I give you sort of the the scenario. People can read this 152 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:52.820 themselves. Number, Chapter Five, verses eleven through thirty one, thirty one, 153 00:10:52.019 --> 00:10:56.340 leventy thirty one. The basically the scenario is this. A man suspects 154 00:10:56.379 --> 00:11:01.220 that his wife has committed adultery and so he's to bring his wife before the 155 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:03.730 priest. Right, all right. So he brings his wife before the priest 156 00:11:05.129 --> 00:11:09.210 and it says the priest actually will take in verse seventeen, the Preestshall Take 157 00:11:09.289 --> 00:11:13.409 Holy Water in an earthen vessel and take some dust from the floor of the 158 00:11:13.490 --> 00:11:16.850 Tabernacle and put it into the water. So the picture here is, you 159 00:11:16.929 --> 00:11:20.600 know, the Tabernacle is the holy place. There's the holiest of holies, 160 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:24.039 which is where the where the Ark of the Covenant Duels and the priest can 161 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.600 only enter in once a year, right, but this place still, the 162 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:30.840 Tabernacle, is a holy place. So you have this holy water that's there 163 00:11:31.200 --> 00:11:33.669 and you have this holy dust. You know, it's sort of looks back 164 00:11:33.710 --> 00:11:37.830 to the picture of Moses. Take your sandals off, because the ground on 165 00:11:37.870 --> 00:11:39.990 which you stand is holy grounds. It is holy ground that this priest is 166 00:11:41.029 --> 00:11:45.750 putting in this chalice of water and to give this woman. And this from 167 00:11:45.789 --> 00:11:50.100 some pro abortion people, they think this is sort of like the abortion medication, 168 00:11:50.259 --> 00:11:54.100 like the abortion pill of Moses Day, right, that God somehow, 169 00:11:54.500 --> 00:11:58.419 through the dust and the water, induces an abortion. And here's what it 170 00:11:58.500 --> 00:12:03.610 says, just kind of skimming on down he's he says, and May this 171 00:12:03.850 --> 00:12:07.730 water that causes the curse to go in this verse, twenty two, to 172 00:12:07.809 --> 00:12:11.610 go in your stomach, make your belly swell and your thigh rot. Then 173 00:12:11.649 --> 00:12:13.970 the woman shall say Amen, so be it. And and so, basically, 174 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.879 if she drinks this water, this this water with the dust in it, 175 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:22.240 and she is guilty of adultery, like her husband suspects, then her 176 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.799 belly will swell and her thigh will rot. Now determined by God. Right, 177 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:31.470 this is how God said that this was to be determined. Yeah, 178 00:12:31.470 --> 00:12:33.990 versus correct? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and this is sort of this 179 00:12:35.110 --> 00:12:39.470 is God's prescription. Right and and this is an issue for the husband thinks 180 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:43.629 his wife has been in an adulter's fair takes before the priest dust and water, 181 00:12:43.830 --> 00:12:46.820 she drinks it and then if she is guilty, then her her belly 182 00:12:46.860 --> 00:12:52.899 will swell and her thigh will rot. I've read this passage in several different 183 00:12:52.940 --> 00:12:56.500 translations because I never heard this argument before until he will, you know, 184 00:12:56.620 --> 00:13:00.850 probably for or five years ago. Heard this argument and you know, I 185 00:13:00.929 --> 00:13:03.570 looked into it and I'm like, I just don't see what you're talking about, 186 00:13:03.570 --> 00:13:05.169 and then, you know, you read it in the in IV translation. 187 00:13:05.289 --> 00:13:09.889 The INNOVAT IN IV's, I'm aware of, is the only translation that 188 00:13:09.970 --> 00:13:13.440 mentions anything about reproduction, miscarriage or anything like that, and it says that 189 00:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.159 she will have a miscarriage, rather than her bailly will swear her Thihi Rot, 190 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:20.679 she'll have a miscarriage. Correct. And you know, I talked to, 191 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:26.000 actually sent an email to Dr Michael Brown, who does ask Dr Brown 192 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.870 Dot Org, who's Hebrew scholar, and I sent an email to their team 193 00:13:28.870 --> 00:13:31.309 and just said Hey, listen, I know that this is not talking about 194 00:13:31.309 --> 00:13:35.230 an abortion. I've studied this thing out, but I'm not a Hebrew scholar. 195 00:13:35.750 --> 00:13:39.950 Is there any language in here that says anything, implies anything about a 196 00:13:39.350 --> 00:13:43.419 God induced abortion? And the response was no, this it's not talking about 197 00:13:43.419 --> 00:13:48.379 abortion at all. It's talking about a judgment says her belly will swell and 198 00:13:48.419 --> 00:13:50.860 her thigh. We're right, this is a judgment that's going to come up 199 00:13:50.860 --> 00:13:54.620 on or her right. But what's interested in? Kind of a another perspective 200 00:13:54.889 --> 00:14:00.210 that they brought out from from Dr Michael Brown was, and I think he 201 00:14:00.250 --> 00:14:03.250 has an article on his website even about this, this passage, and there's 202 00:14:03.289 --> 00:14:07.929 a lot of articles out there about this passage from from Hebrew scholars and whatnot. 203 00:14:07.649 --> 00:14:13.360 Is that, even if it is so a quote God induced abortion right, 204 00:14:13.399 --> 00:14:16.320 it's not in the language is not there. You have to make it 205 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.799 say what you want it to say if you're going to inject that into the 206 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.590 passage. And why they NV translators did that? have no idea, but 207 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:30.070 they did. Yeah, but basically, even if it did speak of abortion, 208 00:14:30.389 --> 00:14:33.350 it's in the context of a curse like this would be a curse to 209 00:14:33.509 --> 00:14:37.149 her right to used her child through an abortion. It wasn't exert it's no, 210 00:14:37.309 --> 00:14:41.220 wasn't then preserve her life the way she might be anything like that. 211 00:14:41.779 --> 00:14:46.740 It's first it's a judgment right, because you know in this day, in 212 00:14:46.940 --> 00:14:50.740 Moses Day, children, unlike today, for a lot of people, were 213 00:14:50.779 --> 00:14:54.730 seen as a blessing. So to lose your child actually it would be a 214 00:14:54.889 --> 00:14:58.889 curse, give Psalm on twenty seven. Children are a blessing from the Lord. 215 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.210 So, you know, I just say that to say in our day 216 00:15:01.210 --> 00:15:03.850 and age it might be seen as a blessing that she had some kind of 217 00:15:03.929 --> 00:15:07.159 God induced abortion, because we have an upside down way of thinking. It 218 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.320 would be one of the worst things. You know, you look at women 219 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:13.080 in the Old Testament would cry out to God, kill me if I can't 220 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:16.879 have any children. You know, that be so, so heavy on them 221 00:15:16.960 --> 00:15:20.200 to not be able to have children. But any you know, just just 222 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:24.149 in a brush through sort of reading of this, there's nothing about a god 223 00:15:24.350 --> 00:15:30.990 induced abortion here. I think more than anything, it can be to validate 224 00:15:31.029 --> 00:15:35.860 a woman whose jealous husband thinks that she is commit an adults ee and and 225 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:41.299 you know, giving her sort of like a covering from the Lord, like 226 00:15:41.460 --> 00:15:43.659 she's not guilty of this thing because this is not what happened to her. 227 00:15:43.860 --> 00:15:48.379 She shall be free. She's free from her husband's jealousy in that sense, 228 00:15:48.779 --> 00:15:56.490 right. So you know bottom line. There are also so many verses that 229 00:15:56.649 --> 00:15:58.730 talk about the value like, like you mentioned, Bait, children are a 230 00:15:58.809 --> 00:16:03.639 blessing, and the value of the unborn baby, and and so, while 231 00:16:03.840 --> 00:16:08.840 God may not specifically, the Bible doesn't use the word abortion and as we've 232 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:14.360 shown in these two cases where people have said pro choice, people will hear 233 00:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.870 descriptions of abortions when indeed they are not. But you know, but the 234 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:26.230 Bible is filled with God's love of the unborn. Yeah, and and the 235 00:16:26.389 --> 00:16:30.389 tender language he uses in like Psalm one hundred and thirty nine nine, verse 236 00:16:30.669 --> 00:16:34.419 thirteen to sixteen. For you created my inmost being. You Knit me together 237 00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:38.899 in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made. 238 00:16:40.220 --> 00:16:42.899 My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in that secret 239 00:16:42.940 --> 00:16:47.059 place, when I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your 240 00:16:47.169 --> 00:16:49.730 eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in 241 00:16:49.809 --> 00:16:52.690 your book before one of them came to be. It's like poetry to the 242 00:16:52.730 --> 00:16:56.370 unborn. Yeah, God has said so, you know, gently and lovingly 243 00:16:56.529 --> 00:17:03.159 knit it together, that that child so and certainly calls it a baby. 244 00:17:03.839 --> 00:17:11.039 So so bottom line number one. The Bible doesn't mention abortion even once. 245 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.029 Yeah, it tells us the concept. We have the Prince Sara, we 246 00:17:15.190 --> 00:17:19.230 have the principle. So you know just the you before we move on to 247 00:17:19.309 --> 00:17:23.710 that. Next the pro choice argument, you know that there's a lot of 248 00:17:23.829 --> 00:17:27.910 things the Bible doesn't directly mention. Good Point. I mean the Bible doesn't 249 00:17:27.990 --> 00:17:33.740 directly mention pit PHELIA. Correct. Yeah, would anybody argue that God's okay 250 00:17:33.779 --> 00:17:37.900 with pedophilia because God never mentions it? I mean certainly the principles are there 251 00:17:38.460 --> 00:17:42.059 that this is wrong and sinful in the sight of God? Yes, the 252 00:17:42.299 --> 00:17:47.250 the Bible doesn't mention smoke and crack. Right. I don't know. Think 253 00:17:47.289 --> 00:17:52.450 anyone would argue, biblical or otherwise, that God's okay with people smoking crack. 254 00:17:52.529 --> 00:17:55.089 Right, there's certain principles there in your body is a temple of the 255 00:17:55.210 --> 00:17:59.119 Lord, those sort of things. So there's a lot of stuff that the 256 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:03.680 Bible doesn't directly mention. That doesn't therefore give God's okay, and thumbs up 257 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:07.599 to your behavior just because you know the Bible doesn't mention it. And again 258 00:18:07.599 --> 00:18:10.720 it. You know, it's just a it's a it's a tactic. It's 259 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:14.950 a maneuver for pro abortion people to say, well, you're a book doesn't 260 00:18:14.950 --> 00:18:18.150 mention the thing that you're so strongly against and it you know, if you 261 00:18:18.230 --> 00:18:23.069 read Church history, although church history is not our standard. Our Standard is 262 00:18:23.150 --> 00:18:26.500 the Bible, right, but you see men and women throughout church history and 263 00:18:26.619 --> 00:18:32.660 their riotings, certainly very early in church history. The dedcay is a writing 264 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:37.019 that's a compilation of some of the apostles teaching and it directly mentions abortion as 265 00:18:37.059 --> 00:18:41.609 abhorrent to God. It's something that should be involved. If you reach your 266 00:18:41.609 --> 00:18:45.410 early church history, you see abortion and infanticide, or two things that they 267 00:18:45.450 --> 00:18:48.609 are tied together. Ye, that are abhorn to the church. The church 268 00:18:48.769 --> 00:18:55.690 has always opposed and those who belong to God should always oppose these things because 269 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:03.319 they're the devaluing of human life right there, the devaluing of this this creature 270 00:19:03.359 --> 00:19:07.640 that God has made in his own image. Human beings are the only creature 271 00:19:07.680 --> 00:19:11.230 that God made it his own image. So right, yeah, okay. 272 00:19:11.630 --> 00:19:17.430 So number two. Here this again all the time. The baby is not 273 00:19:17.589 --> 00:19:23.069 a baby till it takes its first breath. Yes, so, so, 274 00:19:23.150 --> 00:19:26.460 okay, I'm going to I'm going to let you talk from the Biblical perspective. 275 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.579 I'm going to give a secular perspective that I just read and I and 276 00:19:30.660 --> 00:19:34.700 I found it just I had known this about the American College pediatrics, not 277 00:19:34.819 --> 00:19:41.009 a religious group, their secular group doctors who who work with babies and children 278 00:19:41.690 --> 00:19:47.170 and the the name of this article is statement life issues. When human life 279 00:19:47.170 --> 00:19:51.410 begins? Yeah, and it's published by the American College Pediatrics. And so 280 00:19:51.529 --> 00:19:52.799 the abstract says, I'm going to read it to you because I think it 281 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:57.119 is really important. Okay, it said the abstract of this of this article. 282 00:19:57.240 --> 00:20:04.799 The predominance of Human Biological Research Confirms that human life begins at conception fertilization. 283 00:20:04.880 --> 00:20:10.710 At fertilization, the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, 284 00:20:10.910 --> 00:20:17.990 individuated, psygotic, living human organism, a member of the species homo sapiens, 285 00:20:18.549 --> 00:20:22.700 needing only the proper environment in order to grow and develop. The difference 286 00:20:22.779 --> 00:20:27.900 between the Individual in it's a adult stage and in its psychotic stage is one 287 00:20:27.980 --> 00:20:34.339 of form not. Nature never changes, never changes from nonhuman to human, 288 00:20:34.809 --> 00:20:41.009 always human. This statement focus is on the scientific evidence of when an individual 289 00:20:41.170 --> 00:20:49.079 life, human life, excuse me, begins, and then later on the 290 00:20:49.160 --> 00:20:57.200 there their conclusion at the end of the abstract is that the college, the 291 00:20:57.319 --> 00:21:04.549 American College of Pediatrics, therefore opposes active measures that would prematurely end the life 292 00:21:04.589 --> 00:21:11.029 of any child at any stage of development, from conception to natural death. 293 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:15.309 And there was one other statement that I thought was really another, really important 294 00:21:15.309 --> 00:21:22.019 one. Nonetheless, one could sensibly make the case that personhood can only exist 295 00:21:22.180 --> 00:21:27.259 in a living human being and that the division of these two entities is arbitrary 296 00:21:27.299 --> 00:21:30.220 at best, because we hear this all the time. We can we can 297 00:21:30.460 --> 00:21:36.210 bring logically, as American College of Pediatrics did. We can bring people logically 298 00:21:36.609 --> 00:21:41.410 from the idea that, okay, even from the moment of conception, what 299 00:21:41.650 --> 00:21:45.930 is growing in the womb? I'll give you it's a human being, but 300 00:21:45.049 --> 00:21:48.599 it's not a person. You've heard that right, I've heard it all the 301 00:21:48.680 --> 00:21:52.960 time. It's personhood, is the big deal. But the American loge pediatrics 302 00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:57.640 scientist, who are not religious, so I mean they maybe, but they 303 00:21:57.680 --> 00:22:04.269 are not a religious organization, and they say that that distinction between admitting it's 304 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:11.750 a living human being and that it's a person is an arbitrary distinction, yes, 305 00:22:11.910 --> 00:22:14.990 not one drawn in fact or science. Yeah, so, yeah, 306 00:22:15.109 --> 00:22:18.220 you know this, this person whood itself, is not a scientific statement. 307 00:22:18.259 --> 00:22:22.380 It's a philosophical state. So too to argue that, you know, personhood 308 00:22:22.460 --> 00:22:27.819 happens at some point because science is so it is an absurdity. Like science 309 00:22:29.140 --> 00:22:33.130 can't do certain things. It can't tell us when a when a, when 310 00:22:33.170 --> 00:22:36.410 a human being becomes a person, right, and if it tries to, 311 00:22:36.529 --> 00:22:38.490 it steps outside of its boundary. Yeah, you know, in this this 312 00:22:38.809 --> 00:22:42.009 sort of question, which I've heard, and it sort of takes different forms, 313 00:22:42.049 --> 00:22:45.480 right, maybe it takes a form of, you know, it's not 314 00:22:45.559 --> 00:22:48.839 a baby or it's not a human being, it's not a life valuable enough 315 00:22:48.839 --> 00:22:51.720 to protect until it takes its first breath. Or you know, there was 316 00:22:51.759 --> 00:22:56.440 a video by a prolife lady in Canada, who forget her names, on 317 00:22:56.519 --> 00:23:00.430 facebook who had this video of the magic birth canal. Oh, yeah, 318 00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:03.390 that was funny. Yeah, it's like the birth canalk somehow has this magic 319 00:23:03.829 --> 00:23:10.309 power to undue personhood to an individual, and it's some an absurdity, right. 320 00:23:10.509 --> 00:23:12.420 It is because at what point, I mean you just logically say, 321 00:23:12.460 --> 00:23:18.220 okay, at which point in that progression did it suddenly more from human to 322 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:22.019 non human person and nonperson? Yeah, or nine person to person? Yeah. 323 00:23:22.299 --> 00:23:25.220 It's sort of ridiculous in this whole notion that you when it takes its 324 00:23:25.259 --> 00:23:27.529 first of breath, and when people use that argument, especially, you know, 325 00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:33.450 pro pro choice, people who have really no faith in God use that, 326 00:23:33.609 --> 00:23:38.009 it's sort of a mechanism to use your book against you, to say 327 00:23:38.089 --> 00:23:41.960 you're the Bible actually teaches that it's not a person until it takes its first 328 00:23:41.000 --> 00:23:44.519 breath. And sort of where they get that, prince, when I actually 329 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.720 heard Christians, at least people who claim to be Christians, use that as 330 00:23:48.720 --> 00:23:56.630 almost a way to get out of addressing this issue, which is the moral 331 00:23:56.670 --> 00:23:59.230 issue of our day, abortion. But they'll say, well, you know, 332 00:23:59.390 --> 00:24:03.470 the Bible tells us that it actually doesn't become a person or a valuable 333 00:24:03.630 --> 00:24:07.150 individual until it takes a first breath. And they get that maybe from some 334 00:24:07.309 --> 00:24:12.339 other passages, but probably more than anything from this passage in genesis chapter two, 335 00:24:12.380 --> 00:24:15.099 very early along in the Bible, okay, where it says in verse 336 00:24:15.180 --> 00:24:19.779 seven of Genesis Chapter Two and the Lord formed man of the dust of the 337 00:24:19.859 --> 00:24:25.450 ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and man became a living 338 00:24:25.529 --> 00:24:29.410 being. So the implication is he breathed into his nostrils a breath of life. 339 00:24:29.690 --> 00:24:33.609 Therefore the man became a living being. Right, and that's that's sort 340 00:24:33.609 --> 00:24:37.289 of with it. So until it gets a breath of life, it's not 341 00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:41.680 a living being, which is not what this passage just talking about. It's 342 00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:45.359 an absurdity to imagine that a baby in the womb is not a living being. 343 00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.960 It is a living me. Of course it is right. Even again, 344 00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:52.789 pro choice people in this day and age would not argue. Is it 345 00:24:52.910 --> 00:24:56.789 Alife? Yes, it's a life, it's just not a life that's valuable 346 00:24:56.829 --> 00:25:00.269 enough to protect. Right have heard is this argument of insolment. It's not 347 00:25:00.309 --> 00:25:03.509 a life until it gets a soul. When does it get a soul? 348 00:25:03.950 --> 00:25:07.539 It gets a soul, some people say, when it gets its first breath 349 00:25:07.579 --> 00:25:10.579 of air. The Bible doesn't teach that. The Bible doesn't say that. 350 00:25:10.740 --> 00:25:14.980 What we see is this sort of overarching principle in the scripture that God loves 351 00:25:15.140 --> 00:25:18.140 and knows us. Why we're still in our mother's way. That's correct. 352 00:25:18.140 --> 00:25:22.170 Yeah, so that's that's sort of the overarching principle. We see through the 353 00:25:22.250 --> 00:25:26.849 whole Old Testament in the New Testament, that God knows us and loves us 354 00:25:26.049 --> 00:25:30.809 even while we're in the womb and that there's not some magical thing that takes 355 00:25:30.809 --> 00:25:33.130 place when we enter out of the womb, we breathe in some air that 356 00:25:33.250 --> 00:25:37.279 gives us personhood. Right, right, so that you know that that argument 357 00:25:37.359 --> 00:25:41.920 again, is is sort of bunking it. But it does take different forms. 358 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:47.440 It does the breath thing, the birth canal thing, the disconnection between 359 00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:48.720 the mother and the child, you know. So it's like, okay, 360 00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:53.589 because that baby is attached to the mother through you, through her uterine wall, 361 00:25:53.670 --> 00:25:57.869 the Placenta is attached there and then through the umbilical cord. That therefore 362 00:25:59.190 --> 00:26:02.390 she can do what she wants to. So then a baby can be born. 363 00:26:02.430 --> 00:26:03.299 I mean, is that what you're saying? A baby can be born 364 00:26:03.460 --> 00:26:07.819 still attached to the umbilical cord and then we can kill it. Long as 365 00:26:07.859 --> 00:26:08.779 we don't cut that cord, we're good to go. And there are some 366 00:26:08.900 --> 00:26:12.460 people that say yeah, that, which is another certain it's the slippery slope 367 00:26:12.539 --> 00:26:15.900 that is that it goes down. Let's free slopes. No, they don't 368 00:26:15.940 --> 00:26:19.450 exist. That's the mentality, right you. You always talk about these slippery 369 00:26:19.490 --> 00:26:22.250 slopes and this could happen and that could happen. It's like, well, 370 00:26:22.529 --> 00:26:27.009 we talked about that, because it actually does happen. Like the whole slippery 371 00:26:27.049 --> 00:26:33.480 slope of you know, when we talk about euthanasia and assisted suicide and people 372 00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:37.759 say, yeah, people should be willing or people should be able to choose 373 00:26:37.799 --> 00:26:41.119 to have a doctor put them to death, to have them youth and eyes 374 00:26:41.200 --> 00:26:45.440 if they have, you know, issues with dementia or if they have issues 375 00:26:45.519 --> 00:26:48.589 with whatever. And then this story that I had shared with you a couple 376 00:26:48.630 --> 00:26:52.150 days ago, yesterday I believe, was about a young lady, I think 377 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.990 she's twenty one, twenty two years old, who had some trauma and something 378 00:26:56.109 --> 00:27:00.430 was done to her in the past and she carried that trauma with her and 379 00:27:00.549 --> 00:27:03.980 she went to her psychiatrist and psychiatrist have tried to help or try to help 380 00:27:03.019 --> 00:27:06.259 her, could not help her basically told her hate. Listen, there's no 381 00:27:06.339 --> 00:27:08.259 hope for you. I think the story played out in the Netherlands, which 382 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:11.980 is no surprise right. Right, there's really no hope for you, the 383 00:27:11.019 --> 00:27:15.970 best thing you can do is just let us euthanize you, and they did. 384 00:27:15.769 --> 00:27:18.650 For you know this, this young lady who had, you know, 385 00:27:18.730 --> 00:27:22.329 her whole life ahead of her. Yes, she had some issues going on, 386 00:27:22.609 --> 00:27:26.890 she had some depression and all that stuff, but the people who are 387 00:27:26.930 --> 00:27:30.480 supposed to help her out of that depression basically tell her you're better off dead. 388 00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:36.200 Right man, that's a slippery slipping slide right west, slide so far 389 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.200 down that human life doesn't have value. Exactly, exactly, in so many 390 00:27:40.240 --> 00:27:42.640 of the ills that we face now today, it's a society or because of 391 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:48.349 that devaluation of human life that is so shootings, I think, are an 392 00:27:48.390 --> 00:27:51.150 example. Yeah, absolutely. How can you two? How can we raise 393 00:27:51.190 --> 00:27:55.509 our children to believe it's not okay to go off all of your classmates when 394 00:27:55.829 --> 00:27:59.380 it's the law of the land that we can kill your siblings as long as 395 00:27:59.380 --> 00:28:03.099 they're in the womb? Yeah, so, the the Bible does use the 396 00:28:03.140 --> 00:28:06.819 same word for baby, whether in the womb or outside of the woman. 397 00:28:06.900 --> 00:28:11.539 I think that's another very compelling evidence that chapter two, when it talks about 398 00:28:11.539 --> 00:28:15.329 right John the Baptist in the womb. He lipt in his mother's womb when 399 00:28:15.369 --> 00:28:18.210 Mary came in with Jesus in her womb. Right, the word child, 400 00:28:18.369 --> 00:28:23.009 the child left in the womb. Right, breathos, Brefoos is the same 401 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:27.240 word. Later on in Luke. Yeah, we're Jesus. The born Jesus 402 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:33.359 outside of the womb is called breathos, which is bababy. It means baby. 403 00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:34.960 So baby in the womb is the same to God as the baby. 404 00:28:36.200 --> 00:28:38.640 So in the New Testament, God is equating an unborn child with a born 405 00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.190 child. Yes, wow, that's not a surprise now, you know, 406 00:28:41.589 --> 00:28:47.230 because we see through again that pattern in the scripture absolutely values this in the 407 00:28:47.269 --> 00:28:49.750 women outside the way. Yeah, yeah, I mean Jeremiah was supposed appointed 408 00:28:49.789 --> 00:28:53.390 as a prophet while yet in the womb. Yeah, appointed a prophet. 409 00:28:53.509 --> 00:28:57.779 Well, is God appointing a nonhuman and not baby Blab of kiss you as 410 00:28:57.779 --> 00:29:02.619 a prophet? Yeah, okay. So onto number three, and they all 411 00:29:02.740 --> 00:29:07.579 kind of connect there. there. There's very similar arguments behind all these issues. 412 00:29:07.660 --> 00:29:11.970 But this one, of course, is the rattling and cry here for 413 00:29:11.089 --> 00:29:15.970 the Pro Choice Smith ment or my body, body choice, my body, 414 00:29:17.089 --> 00:29:21.730 my choice. Yeah, I mean that one sort of you know it again 415 00:29:21.849 --> 00:29:26.480 in the same line of this this sovereignty over your own body and which we 416 00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:30.279 agree with that right. I mean, if someone goes and has their appendix 417 00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:34.000 removed, I'm not going to be standing there telling them don't have your beach. 418 00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:37.160 Right, I don't want to have control over their bodies. Right. 419 00:29:37.750 --> 00:29:42.829 But where your bodily autonomy ends is where your bodily autonomy and decisions you make 420 00:29:42.910 --> 00:29:45.549 with your body affect other people. Correct. You know the example. Of 421 00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:51.029 course you have bodily autonomy over your hand. Yes, you do. You 422 00:29:51.150 --> 00:29:52.779 can, you know, do some of the things you want to with your 423 00:29:52.819 --> 00:29:56.500 hand, but there are things you cannot do with your hand. It's because 424 00:29:56.500 --> 00:30:00.220 they violate another person's right, which is you can't ball your hand in a 425 00:30:00.380 --> 00:30:04.779 fifth connect with somebody's face. Right, because your action and your bodily autonomy 426 00:30:04.819 --> 00:30:08.369 has now affected another person. Right. In the same way, with abortion, 427 00:30:08.849 --> 00:30:12.490 your bodily autonomy, when you go into an abortion clinic and you decide 428 00:30:12.730 --> 00:30:17.049 you're going to pay someone money to kill it, the child that's inside of 429 00:30:17.089 --> 00:30:22.039 you, that sort of is the threshold. Right, you've already went outside 430 00:30:22.039 --> 00:30:26.160 of bodily autonomy to violate the bodily autonomy of another person, that baby inside 431 00:30:26.160 --> 00:30:29.920 the womb. Right, and of course, this is built on the premise 432 00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.880 that the baby inside the womb is just an ananimate object. So you see 433 00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.470 how it aboulates. All of these arguments relate exactly because they would say, 434 00:30:37.509 --> 00:30:41.630 well, this is not another body, right. But but then of course, 435 00:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.710 the logically. You know, well, if it's not another body, 436 00:30:45.869 --> 00:30:52.059 than the mother has two heads and forearms and four legs. Know it is 437 00:30:52.099 --> 00:30:56.059 another body. It is not your body. That child is a whole separate 438 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:00.980 body with distinct and separate human DNA, distinct and separate blood, distinct and 439 00:31:02.059 --> 00:31:04.730 separate heartbeat and it at a different rate. The heart is beating about three 440 00:31:04.730 --> 00:31:07.730 times, two to three times faster than the MOM's heart. So so, 441 00:31:10.089 --> 00:31:12.009 yeah, and and you know, Biblically, I love this, this verse 442 00:31:12.130 --> 00:31:15.170 from First Corinthian six one thousand nine, Hun to and twenty. Do you 443 00:31:15.289 --> 00:31:18.440 not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit who is in you, 444 00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.960 whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you 445 00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.680 were brought bought at a price. Therefore, honor God with your body. 446 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:33.470 So we in a sense we even bodily autonomy. Well, honestly, biblically, 447 00:31:33.509 --> 00:31:37.390 we are not our own. If you're in Christ he bought us. 448 00:31:37.430 --> 00:31:41.109 Yeah, hate the penalty that we owed for our sin, and our bodies 449 00:31:41.190 --> 00:31:45.750 are now a temple of the Lord, to be used by God for a 450 00:31:45.910 --> 00:31:52.900 glorious purpose. Yeah, for his glory. So okay, so, so, 451 00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:59.019 and and one last point on on my body, my choice. You 452 00:31:59.099 --> 00:32:04.210 know it it in your example of, you know, bodily autonomy. In 453 00:32:04.250 --> 00:32:07.930 there, in there, in the portion center in this this baby is is 454 00:32:08.490 --> 00:32:13.890 being killed. Well, it's legal, and that's the other argument that I've 455 00:32:13.930 --> 00:32:17.880 heard. Well, it's my body, this baby is in my body and 456 00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:25.200 I'm being given legal rights by our country to remove this portion of my body 457 00:32:25.680 --> 00:32:29.240 that I don't want and I want to be an incubator, I've heard. 458 00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:36.309 Yeah, this baby. So is it because it's legal? Is Is that 459 00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:42.430 then? Would God have us find that to be morally fine, right, 460 00:32:42.670 --> 00:32:45.220 which is, you know, kind of an absurdity, right. I mean, 461 00:32:45.619 --> 00:32:49.539 just because stuff is legal doesn't mean God is okay with it. Exactly. 462 00:32:49.700 --> 00:32:52.019 Doesn't mean that. You know, even if we're thinking it from a 463 00:32:52.220 --> 00:32:54.859 secular perspective, there's a bunch of stuff that in our history. You know, 464 00:32:54.900 --> 00:32:59.569 slavery is one of those things with legal but I don't think we look 465 00:32:59.609 --> 00:33:00.769 back that and say, you know, people should have had a right to 466 00:33:00.890 --> 00:33:05.930 do that. Why? Why would we say that? That's wrong? Because 467 00:33:05.930 --> 00:33:07.650 it's sort of that bodily atommy thing, right, yeah, you're right to 468 00:33:07.809 --> 00:33:13.599 own another person's property. Is Not actually a right that God gives or that 469 00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:19.160 government's should give, because you're then affecting the bodily autonomy of another person, 470 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.839 you know. Yeah, and you know the really that the the issue lies 471 00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:28.950 in with pro choice people, their unwillingness to view the baby in the womb 472 00:33:29.029 --> 00:33:35.549 as a human being, as a life that's valuable enough to protect. They 473 00:33:35.750 --> 00:33:40.109 can't, they can't and allow what they call the woman's right to choose, 474 00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:44.019 because the women's right to choose, they're saying, is to choose abortion. 475 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:47.099 And the only way they can support that really, I think, for them 476 00:33:47.180 --> 00:33:51.420 to feel like they are decent human beings, is to say it's not. 477 00:33:51.660 --> 00:33:55.250 Yeah, it's not a person. Yeah. So, okay, anything else 478 00:33:55.369 --> 00:34:00.809 on on that one? All right, let's go into number four. Abortion 479 00:34:00.130 --> 00:34:05.369 is between a woman and her doctor. It is none of your business. 480 00:34:05.890 --> 00:34:07.650 You ever hear that one before? I have heard that one. Yeah, 481 00:34:07.650 --> 00:34:12.280 and you know that's not something that we hear commonly inside. While counseling. 482 00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.920 Really it's not one of the objections that we hear, even from pro choice 483 00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:17.800 people. But as you're talking about the issue of abortion on a national level 484 00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:22.320 and a sort of a political level, yeah, that's what you hear a 485 00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.510 lot. That's right. Politicians are terrible doctors, some of the signage that 486 00:34:25.590 --> 00:34:29.750 you see, right, and and that sort of thing. And and so 487 00:34:29.869 --> 00:34:32.949 it's between a woman and her doctor. And now what's implied with that? 488 00:34:34.190 --> 00:34:37.989 I mean, are we talking about between a woman and the OB doctor that 489 00:34:37.110 --> 00:34:39.780 she sees on a regular basis? I mean even that, of course, 490 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.059 of be we're talking about another person that will die if she has an abortion. 491 00:34:44.380 --> 00:34:45.500 But really, when they say it's between a woman and her doctor, 492 00:34:45.539 --> 00:34:50.219 what they mean it's between the woman who's paying for an abortion and the abortionist, 493 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.449 right, who she sees for like five minutes, right, who she's 494 00:34:52.489 --> 00:34:55.650 never met. Most of these women going into an abortion clinic, I mean 495 00:34:55.690 --> 00:35:00.650 we I've had conversations with probably thousands, and I'm sure you've had conversations with 496 00:35:00.929 --> 00:35:02.849 of thousands, or at least hundreds, of women going in. If you 497 00:35:02.889 --> 00:35:06.809 ask him so, who is your doctor today? Who's going to be your 498 00:35:06.849 --> 00:35:08.760 abortionist? They have no clue. That's right. So how can it be 499 00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:14.000 between her and her doctor making this decision whenever? She's not even going to 500 00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:16.360 even talk to the doctor, until she goes, until he walks in the 501 00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:21.000 room, that do the five minute abortion procedure or give her the Little Cup 502 00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:22.909 with the pills in it? It's not between her and her doctors. And 503 00:35:22.989 --> 00:35:27.869 I've been told by many people leaving that that have come and talk to us, 504 00:35:27.949 --> 00:35:30.070 that that doctor, the abortionist, never said it word. Yeah, 505 00:35:30.110 --> 00:35:35.780 that there was never any discussion. So this decision between the woman and her 506 00:35:35.980 --> 00:35:40.059 doctor is non existence. Yeah, they're in there is a relationship. Oh 507 00:35:40.179 --> 00:35:45.780 yeah, no, exactly. How about that? It's none of your business 508 00:35:45.219 --> 00:35:47.900 that half of it. Is it a business to so it's none of your 509 00:35:49.059 --> 00:35:52.929 business, which it's like, okay, it's none of my business, even 510 00:35:52.929 --> 00:35:55.809 though innocent people are being killed, it's none of my business to intervene. 511 00:35:55.809 --> 00:36:00.449 You know, somebody commented a couple days ago on our social media page. 512 00:36:00.489 --> 00:36:04.090 We shared a testimony of a mom that chose life, saw her baby on 513 00:36:04.130 --> 00:36:07.320 the ultrasound, whose life for her baby in this person, this pro abortion 514 00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:08.960 person, commented and said, you know, you should leave women alone. 515 00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:14.000 It's none of your business what they do with their bodies. And my response 516 00:36:14.159 --> 00:36:16.239 wasn't a sort of snarky but it made a point like, okay, if 517 00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.309 Christians, if we see innocent people being killed, if we're going to be 518 00:36:21.429 --> 00:36:24.829 good followers of Jesus, then we're going to actually go and do something about 519 00:36:24.989 --> 00:36:29.789 that. If Christians in human history were just to mind our own business, 520 00:36:30.110 --> 00:36:32.699 then we wouldn't have the majority of the hospitals that exist, the majority of 521 00:36:32.739 --> 00:36:36.619 the relief organizations that exist. I mean, you think about you know, 522 00:36:36.659 --> 00:36:38.820 I asked pro abortion people when they when they bring that up. You guys 523 00:36:38.860 --> 00:36:43.980 should mind your own business. You Christians are Christianity has has done so much 524 00:36:43.980 --> 00:36:47.050 damage in history. I'm like, well, named for me five hospitals in 525 00:36:47.130 --> 00:36:51.289 the United States are in the immediate area and if they were in the name 526 00:36:51.329 --> 00:36:55.010 five hospitals, at least three, probably all five, but at least three 527 00:36:55.050 --> 00:36:59.610 of those hospitals are going to be Christian hospitals, presenting hospital, Methodist Hospital, 528 00:36:59.650 --> 00:37:02.480 Baptist Hospital, right, yeah, it's like Christians are not mining their 529 00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:07.239 own business, they're actually building hospital or they're actually you know, I'll ask 530 00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.840 him. I said named for me five relief organizations. You know ministries or 531 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.760 organizations that do things to help other people. You know, Red Cross is 532 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:17.789 one that comes to mind right Samaritan's purse or me comes to mind. SALVATION 533 00:37:17.829 --> 00:37:22.630 ARMY COMES TO MIND, World Vision, World Vision comes to mind, compassion 534 00:37:22.710 --> 00:37:27.510 international, all these these groups across the the the world. Even if you're 535 00:37:27.590 --> 00:37:31.940 the name five relief organizations, I bet you the majority of those organizations were 536 00:37:31.980 --> 00:37:37.179 started by Christians who didn't mind their own business. Exactly right. And I 537 00:37:37.460 --> 00:37:39.780 think it was hurricane katrine. It was one of the big hurricanes where the 538 00:37:39.820 --> 00:37:43.739 government really blew it. They and I maybe it was Katrine night. Every 539 00:37:43.780 --> 00:37:46.289 real it was. Which one? But but the the GOL blows it a 540 00:37:46.369 --> 00:37:49.849 lot. Well, they did, but but in this one they really blew 541 00:37:49.889 --> 00:37:52.409 it and they were just what's not help? MM? Except from the Christian 542 00:37:52.449 --> 00:37:58.130 it was the Christian organizations that rushed in to help those victims from that hurricane 543 00:37:58.449 --> 00:38:01.800 that saved the day. Yeah, minding, not minding, they're I mean, 544 00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:06.760 basically, so when someone tells me, consider you talking about abortion and 545 00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:09.440 thinking about abortion and they see, mind your own business, what they're really 546 00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:13.829 saying to me is turn a blind eye. You know, here's here's a 547 00:38:14.269 --> 00:38:19.150 group of people whose lives are being destroyed by this thing called abortion. And 548 00:38:19.230 --> 00:38:22.030 you don't mean just the babies, right, yeah, the women, women, 549 00:38:22.110 --> 00:38:24.070 the woman parents, so the man whose lives are affected by it. 550 00:38:24.150 --> 00:38:29.900 I mean this thing is like a like a cancer in society. Destroys families, 551 00:38:29.900 --> 00:38:35.500 that destroys marriages, it destroys relationships, it destroys young men and young 552 00:38:35.579 --> 00:38:38.260 women, of course, and it destroys the lives of babies. And it's 553 00:38:38.300 --> 00:38:40.449 like, I can't turn a blind eye to that. Like, if I 554 00:38:40.570 --> 00:38:45.329 truly believe that abortion is murder that destroys in innocent life, you're asking me, 555 00:38:46.170 --> 00:38:51.570 pro abortion person, to deny my faith, to deny what my Lord 556 00:38:51.650 --> 00:38:53.130 said to do, which is to love my neighbor as myself. Yeah, 557 00:38:53.530 --> 00:38:57.199 and rescue those being out of way. Really, you know, people are 558 00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.079 saying a lot of times, and I sort of rephrase this to pro abortion 559 00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:04.719 people, sometimes I'd be like, so what you're saying is, rather than 560 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:08.360 carrying through the the convictions that I have myself, I should embrace your convictions. 561 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.829 My conviction is that the unborn child is out a life that deserves to 562 00:39:13.869 --> 00:39:16.429 be protected. Your conviction is that it's not. So what you're saying is 563 00:39:16.710 --> 00:39:21.630 I should abandon my convictions and I should embrace yours. Are you trying to 564 00:39:21.670 --> 00:39:23.699 force your morality on me? You know, you take away my choice. 565 00:39:23.739 --> 00:39:28.460 Are just taking away my choice to believe how I see fit from this, 566 00:39:28.539 --> 00:39:31.820 this book that you so vehemently opposed. Right, I I think it's God's 567 00:39:31.860 --> 00:39:35.699 word. Am I okay to think that? I'm okay to believe that that's 568 00:39:35.739 --> 00:39:38.849 in less? So, yeah. Well, lastly, honestly, yes, 569 00:39:39.050 --> 00:39:43.690 I mean that's the attack. The attack is on the book, on the 570 00:39:43.769 --> 00:39:46.969 Bible, right, on what God's word says, and this unchangeable truth, 571 00:39:47.409 --> 00:39:52.730 the foundation of everything that we are and believe, is, is is being 572 00:39:52.730 --> 00:39:55.840 attacked in our society. Yeah, absolutely, and of course, along with 573 00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:00.800 that comes this value of human life, this intrinsic value that human beings have 574 00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:06.400 above and beyond other creatures. Yeah, it doesn't mean in the sense that, 575 00:40:06.679 --> 00:40:08.110 you know, in our all, because we're so cute and precious whatever, 576 00:40:08.150 --> 00:40:13.070 were somehow better than every other animal. It's not that at all. 577 00:40:13.349 --> 00:40:16.070 It's just that human beings are the only creature that is made in God's image. 578 00:40:16.110 --> 00:40:22.300 That's right, that holds this image of God. Yeah, and weird 579 00:40:22.380 --> 00:40:27.860 like supposed to be those who had a conversation of the pro choice lady yesterday 580 00:40:28.260 --> 00:40:32.579 and she talked about I'm not sure that human beings are more valued more than 581 00:40:32.739 --> 00:40:37.090 other animals. So what other creature on the face of the planet has been 582 00:40:37.130 --> 00:40:40.130 given a charge to take care of the planet? Like you don't see whales 583 00:40:40.250 --> 00:40:45.130 going and taking care of the planet, making sure we recycle, you know, 584 00:40:45.690 --> 00:40:47.570 right, because they're the ones that we're taking care of. Like we're 585 00:40:47.570 --> 00:40:52.199 sort of this this, this, as the Bible says, this rule or 586 00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:58.039 under God over the creation. Right, befoot, fruitful, multiply, subdue 587 00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.079 the earth and fill it. We're supposed to subdue or have authority over the 588 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.920 earth. Yeah, and we're given the charge to take care of the planet, 589 00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:07.150 all right, and we're given charge to take care of it. We're 590 00:41:07.190 --> 00:41:10.110 not there to trample it and destroy it. We Love we love the whales, 591 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:15.869 I love the way. Yes, but human beings are a special part 592 00:41:15.909 --> 00:41:20.340 of God's creation. There's absolutely no doubt about it. He tells us that 593 00:41:20.420 --> 00:41:22.619 that we Lon are made in his image. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, 594 00:41:23.500 --> 00:41:27.019 and in terms of that it's none of your business. I think I may 595 00:41:27.059 --> 00:41:29.860 have already said this first, but I'll say it again because it's such an 596 00:41:29.940 --> 00:41:35.210 important one. Proverbs twelve, if you say, but we knew nothing about 597 00:41:35.329 --> 00:41:38.489 this. Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does Not he 598 00:41:38.610 --> 00:41:44.170 who guard your life know it? Will he not repay everyone according to what 599 00:41:44.329 --> 00:41:47.119 they have done? We can't say we don't know what abortion is. We 600 00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:52.920 can't say anymore like they could. Actually, when abortion was legalized or made 601 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:57.079 the law of the land through the Supreme Court decision, they didn't have the 602 00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.070 ultrasounds that we have now. They really didn't have the depth of understanding, 603 00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:07.309 yeah, of what that baby was and how well developed that baby was at 604 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.710 such an early age. But we do. We see it. Not only 605 00:42:10.789 --> 00:42:14.909 do we have God's word that says that baby is valuable from the moment of 606 00:42:15.030 --> 00:42:19.739 conception, but we have windows into the womb and we see that child and 607 00:42:19.820 --> 00:42:24.900 we know the devastation of abortion. And so much of the aftermath of abortion 608 00:42:25.099 --> 00:42:29.980 is buried and covered up and we're told that we're lying all the time when 609 00:42:30.010 --> 00:42:35.570 we cite any of the research that talks of any negative after effects abortion. 610 00:42:35.690 --> 00:42:38.170 But we do know the truth. And for us to do nothing about it, 611 00:42:38.210 --> 00:42:44.050 according to this person, many God will hold us to account yeah, 612 00:42:44.090 --> 00:42:45.960 we are not. We can't turn a blond, we cannot turn upon yeah, 613 00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.119 exactly. Okay, let's do our fifth one. All right, bringing 614 00:42:50.199 --> 00:42:53.920 up the right. This is our last one. Why should more unwanted children 615 00:42:54.400 --> 00:43:00.429 come into the world? It is irresponsible. Go help the babies who are 616 00:43:00.469 --> 00:43:02.989 already born, and of course lately. And what about those babies on the 617 00:43:04.110 --> 00:43:06.670 board? What about those children at the border who are put in cages? 618 00:43:06.750 --> 00:43:09.989 And that's any thing. And of course that implies that Christians aren't doing something 619 00:43:10.110 --> 00:43:13.940 out. That's a big priest suffer. So that's right. Yeah, and 620 00:43:14.019 --> 00:43:15.820 the thing, you know, I hear a lot of times wance, you 621 00:43:15.900 --> 00:43:17.460 adopt some of these children out of falster care, and it's like, well, 622 00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:21.820 if you look at the statistics of people that are doing that, it's 623 00:43:21.860 --> 00:43:25.340 Christians. It's overwhelming majority of people who are in the Fauster caure system, 624 00:43:25.380 --> 00:43:30.570 who are not in the fausecure system, like part of it, but getting 625 00:43:30.570 --> 00:43:35.090 children out of the FAULTER cres cract are Christians who were making the sacrifices and 626 00:43:35.130 --> 00:43:37.530 doing the things that are necessary to falster these children, people who are going 627 00:43:37.610 --> 00:43:42.519 down through the border and and meeting the needs there with these people who are 628 00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:45.800 come across the board, overwhelmingly Christians, right, going meeting the needs, 629 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:52.079 bringing practical AIDS, Americans, purs other ministries that are there are, you 630 00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.949 know, or there because of the Christian values that we hold right. And 631 00:43:55.429 --> 00:43:58.469 you know, this is this, is it, like all these things, 632 00:43:58.550 --> 00:44:01.389 just a red herring? Right, if you if you really value, you 633 00:44:01.590 --> 00:44:04.630 know, I say the probortion people. You know, they say, if 634 00:44:04.630 --> 00:44:07.670 you really value to one of the ladies the other day, she said, 635 00:44:07.070 --> 00:44:09.980 if you really value lives of children, want you get down to the border. 636 00:44:10.219 --> 00:44:13.539 I'm like, well, why aren't you there? Exactly said, you 637 00:44:13.579 --> 00:44:15.179 know what, if you really think women get you by sticket, you should 638 00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:17.699 you just give us the word. Well, I said, well, if 639 00:44:17.739 --> 00:44:22.139 you think that the oppression of women is what's going on here from us, 640 00:44:22.260 --> 00:44:24.849 we're pressing these women, harassing them, and you think that the issue of 641 00:44:24.929 --> 00:44:29.489 women's oppression is bad, and I do too, but if you really feel 642 00:44:29.489 --> 00:44:31.690 that strongly about it, then go to Saudi Arabia, where women can't even 643 00:44:31.730 --> 00:44:35.570 travel a car. Right, I'm being silly about it, but yeah, 644 00:44:35.690 --> 00:44:37.449 you know, seriously, it's like, yeah, if you, if you 645 00:44:37.530 --> 00:44:39.440 really think this is a big thing, you'll put your money where your mouth 646 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:43.159 is. You're telling me to put my money where my mouth is. And 647 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:47.760 actually there are churches all over Charlotte who are Bible preaching churches. Who are 648 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:52.119 the ones that are going out and reaching out and who we get volunteers from? 649 00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:55.150 Who are the people that are sending aid to these these people in the 650 00:44:55.230 --> 00:44:59.869 border who are helping out families with foster care? I think we have within 651 00:44:59.949 --> 00:45:04.710 our ministry three families that come to mind immediately. Their foster care right now, 652 00:45:04.949 --> 00:45:07.820 like they're fostering kids. Yeah, so it's like, you know, 653 00:45:07.340 --> 00:45:12.659 it's so the presupposition is wrong and in the fad they're accusing something without even 654 00:45:12.699 --> 00:45:16.539 knowing. Yeah, there are, there, anyone is, but, but, 655 00:45:16.860 --> 00:45:22.570 but the the other part of that is because we are concerned with the 656 00:45:22.929 --> 00:45:29.889 unborn and we're speaking out against abortion. Somehow that's not valid unless we are 657 00:45:30.570 --> 00:45:36.119 speaking out against all injustice, yes, and and every every terrible thing that 658 00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:43.000 afflicts humanity. And you know, they wouldn't make that same argument if if 659 00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.800 I was giving to the cancer society, they wouldn't say, well, you 660 00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:47.320 can't give to the cancer society. Why you why aren't you giving to the 661 00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:53.190 heart society or whatever? That one's called, or the diabetes society or fighting 662 00:45:53.230 --> 00:45:57.869 kidney disease. Yeah, no, that's Ludacris. That's like his is this 663 00:45:58.030 --> 00:46:00.269 idea of this, if you're not doing everything, that you don't have a 664 00:46:00.309 --> 00:46:04.340 right to do anything. That's right, which is just sir, all it 665 00:46:04.539 --> 00:46:08.260 is again. It's like, if you don't embrace my convictions, then you're 666 00:46:08.300 --> 00:46:12.420 not actually carrying through your convictions. Like, what are you saying? They're 667 00:46:12.460 --> 00:46:15.699 like, what are your convictions? And reality is that if you look at, 668 00:46:15.780 --> 00:46:16.380 you know, a lot of the pro choice people, at least that 669 00:46:16.420 --> 00:46:20.570 I interact with, and they say you should be doing this, I'm like, 670 00:46:21.329 --> 00:46:23.769 are you doing that? Like lead the way, you know, start 671 00:46:23.809 --> 00:46:29.090 an organization that helps kids at the border. Lead the way, and you 672 00:46:29.210 --> 00:46:30.929 know, but I'm telling you, who's leading the way is actually Christian, 673 00:46:31.010 --> 00:46:36.119 Christians, exactly Christians who believe that life begins at conception. That's right. 674 00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:38.880 They're everywhelming. A majority of people who are at the border are people that 675 00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.920 would would identify with us. Yeah, religiously. Yeah, that's true. 676 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:47.349 That's true. And and in that question and number five, why should more 677 00:46:47.389 --> 00:46:54.150 unwanted children, you know, unwanted children. Aren't there more people lining up 678 00:46:54.590 --> 00:47:00.389 for adoption, desiring deeply to adopt a child. Yeah, then there are 679 00:47:00.469 --> 00:47:02.659 babies to adopt. Yeah, and it's out of there. You know, 680 00:47:02.739 --> 00:47:08.739 it's so prohibitively expensive for them to do that. So they're someone wants these 681 00:47:08.860 --> 00:47:13.380 children. Well, absolutely, there aren't. I don't think there is any 682 00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:16.769 such thing as unwanted children, right, I mean according to what we see 683 00:47:16.809 --> 00:47:22.369 in the word of God. Sure, it's like, okay, every child 684 00:47:22.449 --> 00:47:24.889 is formed in the womb by the hand of God. God had a plan 685 00:47:25.050 --> 00:47:30.599 for these children and they're not unwanted by him. Right, and just because 686 00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.280 we have, US as a society, have rejected, yeah, the truth 687 00:47:34.320 --> 00:47:37.480 of God's word, that God the children are blessing from the Lord, doesn't 688 00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.039 mean that God somehow abandons that truth. Right, as a church, we're 689 00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:45.309 supposed to uphold that truth. Children are a blessing from there and and of 690 00:47:45.389 --> 00:47:47.630 value. And you know, Matthew, ten, twenty, nine, thirty 691 00:47:47.670 --> 00:47:52.190 one, about two sparrows sold for a penny, yet not one of them 692 00:47:52.230 --> 00:47:57.269 falls to the ground outside your father's care. Even the very heads of your 693 00:47:57.349 --> 00:48:00.019 head are all numbered. Well, that's true of you, me and and 694 00:48:00.179 --> 00:48:04.500 every unborn baby that every one of us, every human life is of sacred 695 00:48:04.539 --> 00:48:08.940 value before God, and I think what we've we've kind of pointed out in 696 00:48:09.420 --> 00:48:15.929 all of these issues is is that is what is the the underlying theme in 697 00:48:16.090 --> 00:48:22.849 our in our prolife, counter to every argument presented to us. As bottom 698 00:48:22.929 --> 00:48:29.519 line, are human beings of value and are we called the pond to protect 699 00:48:29.599 --> 00:48:34.000 in us into human life and to protect all human life? Is All human 700 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:37.679 life sacred? Yeah, before God, and we would answer yes, yeah, 701 00:48:38.519 --> 00:48:43.309 unborn in the born. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, you 702 00:48:43.389 --> 00:48:45.949 know, to wrap that up, Hoope, this was a blessing to those 703 00:48:45.989 --> 00:48:52.150 who joined in and will maybe do another podcast similar to this where we talk 704 00:48:52.190 --> 00:48:54.389 about other pro choice arguments and try to talk through those. Hoope, this 705 00:48:54.550 --> 00:48:58.940 is a blessing and helps you to helps to provoke thought. You know, 706 00:48:58.940 --> 00:49:04.179 I think we need to think certainly rationally and because of that we think biblically, 707 00:49:04.380 --> 00:49:08.139 biblically because God's work is very rational and it gives us some rational progressions 708 00:49:08.179 --> 00:49:13.210 of thought, that sort of thing. I do want to encourage you to 709 00:49:13.530 --> 00:49:15.690 go. We have a website that we've established nationally for people who want to 710 00:49:15.690 --> 00:49:20.289 get involved with sidewalk counseling and get equipped and get trained and that sidewalks for 711 00:49:20.489 --> 00:49:23.960 lifecom, at sidewalks at number four and Lifecom and that has some training and 712 00:49:24.000 --> 00:49:29.440 equipping stuff on there to train and equip you to be an effective sidewalk counselor. 713 00:49:30.039 --> 00:49:32.119 And there's some videos on there. There's some articles. Were putting content 714 00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:37.000 out there on a regular basis to encourage people in sidewalk counseling locally. Our 715 00:49:37.039 --> 00:49:39.389 ministry website is Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org. You can connect with 716 00:49:39.510 --> 00:49:45.989 me. My email addresses d parks at cities for lifecom and Vicky is v 717 00:49:46.269 --> 00:49:50.710 Costi Org at cities for Lifecom, so you can connect with her. We'd 718 00:49:50.750 --> 00:49:52.500 like to hear some ideas that you have, maybe some subjects you'd like for 719 00:49:52.539 --> 00:49:55.900 us to cover, some pro life subjects and light of the Gospel. We 720 00:49:57.019 --> 00:50:00.579 did continue to put podcasts out there. We encourage you to share this podcast 721 00:50:00.659 --> 00:50:05.300 with other people, leave a review, shoot me an email and let me 722 00:50:05.380 --> 00:50:07.570 know how we can improve this thing. We want to we want to be 723 00:50:07.650 --> 00:50:10.329 a blessing. This is not just for us to promote ourselves promote our ministry. 724 00:50:10.730 --> 00:50:15.849 This is to encourage the body of Christ to to approach the issue of 725 00:50:15.889 --> 00:50:21.010 abortion in light of the Gospel, because the Gospel is the solution to the 726 00:50:21.130 --> 00:50:24.360 problem of abortion. Just like every other eel of society, the Gospel is 727 00:50:24.400 --> 00:50:30.159 a solution. So be blessed and in share this, this podcast, with 728 00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:52.980 your friends and family. Use, Milan, use give me. Will cost 729 00:50:53.179 --> 00:51:00.340 me my life, but these two precious inside