July 9, 2020

Text Conversation With An Abortion-minded Woman

Text Conversation With An Abortion-minded Woman

Vicky recently had a lengthy text conversation with an abortion-minded woman that our team met at the abortion center. We thought it may be helpful for you guys to hear how that interaction went. In this episode, we talk through that conversation and...


Vicky recently had a lengthy text conversation with an abortion-minded woman that our team met at the abortion center. We thought it may be helpful for you guys to hear how that interaction went. In this episode, we talk through that conversation and share some insights that will hopefully be a blessing to you as you seek to reach women like her.

https://sidewalks4life.com/the-evolution-of-a-mom-still-considering-abortion-when-presented-with-the-gospel/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.109 Lord, I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. 3 00:00:10.429 --> 00:00:13.830 This episode, me and Vicky are going to talk through a text conversation that 4 00:00:13.949 --> 00:00:17.710 she had with an abortion minded mom. We thought this conversation would be a 5 00:00:17.750 --> 00:00:24.379 blessing for you guys to listen in on. So stay tuned. I felt 6 00:00:24.820 --> 00:00:38.329 show Passi touch your use. All right. Well, welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:38.490 --> 00:00:46.130 Center pro life podcast. Guys, appreciate you joining us and today's podcast we're 8 00:00:46.130 --> 00:00:52.640 actually going to go through a conversation that Vicki had with a mom that had 9 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.479 chosen life, or at least you've been ministering to, because we thought it 10 00:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.719 would be helpful for you guys to kind of hear the flow of the conversation, 11 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.439 at least some of the turning points in the conversation. Help you guys 12 00:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.189 to maybe not know exactly what to say. Maybe you can learn from our 13 00:01:07.230 --> 00:01:12.069 mistakes. Right. Yeah, and and talk through that and just maybe talk 14 00:01:12.189 --> 00:01:17.469 through well, if I had it all to do over again, I would 15 00:01:17.469 --> 00:01:19.620 say something different. Maybe not. You do pretty good, Vicki. So 16 00:01:19.939 --> 00:01:23.540 we'll critique some of what you said here. Yeah, and so it was 17 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:26.900 interesting because it was a taxt it was the she wanted to do it only 18 00:01:26.939 --> 00:01:29.859 by text. In fact, I offered to all and she didn't want me 19 00:01:29.939 --> 00:01:32.969 to call. She wanted to text s shit several young kids at home, 20 00:01:33.769 --> 00:01:38.769 and so it was all recorded on the text. So I removed any identifying 21 00:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.930 information and I thought it really it was an interesting discussion. And Yeah, 22 00:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.840 and pretty typical honestly. Yeah, yeah, and just to set the stage 23 00:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.439 for you guys, this was a mom who had come to the abortion center 24 00:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.159 and she was there until the afternoon. You and I had left because we 25 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.079 were there that morning and had no interaction whither. As far as I understand, 26 00:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.989 she heard us. She definitely heard US talking and calling out, and 27 00:02:05.390 --> 00:02:08.789 in the afternoon she came out of the abortion center ended up talking to one 28 00:02:08.830 --> 00:02:13.909 of our afternoon team right and telling them that she chose life. Yeah, 29 00:02:14.189 --> 00:02:16.900 at least for today, for that day. Shaky. They when they talked 30 00:02:16.939 --> 00:02:21.379 to me, they said it was a shaky save, a shaky choice for 31 00:02:21.539 --> 00:02:24.539 life. Yeah, so choice for life nonetheless for that day. I got 32 00:02:24.620 --> 00:02:30.050 the contact information from her and fought. You were following up with her and 33 00:02:30.289 --> 00:02:34.689 talking through the situation because we want to make sure really that she doesn't come 34 00:02:34.729 --> 00:02:37.250 back back to the abortion center, as much as we're able to know. 35 00:02:37.569 --> 00:02:42.610 You said it's a shaky decision for life. I want to solidify that decision 36 00:02:42.689 --> 00:02:45.759 for life and talk through the struggles and things that brought her there and let 37 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.599 her know that she doesn't have to get back to that abortion right, right. 38 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:53.639 And so well, kind of just share with us how this conversation started 39 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.919 off and the flow of things and again, as you as are listening through, 40 00:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.990 we're going to talk through some of the highlights of this conversation, some 41 00:03:00.069 --> 00:03:05.750 of the turning points and share with you just some inside they help encourage you 42 00:03:05.789 --> 00:03:08.629 guys in your conversations with abortion minded women. Well, it starts off honestly, 43 00:03:08.789 --> 00:03:14.219 she's mad at me because through honestly no fault of my own, her 44 00:03:14.419 --> 00:03:17.939 family had found out that she had been at the abortion center. She had 45 00:03:17.939 --> 00:03:22.139 been hiding it, which was important for me to know. Yeah, I'm 46 00:03:22.180 --> 00:03:24.620 glad I found that out. So because I knew there was then shame over 47 00:03:24.659 --> 00:03:31.569 over that choice. So the conversation started with her saying I'm embarrassed because now 48 00:03:31.610 --> 00:03:37.370 I'm going to be judged by all these people. And so the the first 49 00:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.610 thing I did was say, Hey, I'm not here to judge you, 50 00:03:39.689 --> 00:03:45.400 I'm here to offer resources and on it. And that was also why she 51 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.759 was referred to me, because our counselors who saw her in the afternoon fairly 52 00:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.719 new counselors and they just didn't know all of our resources, and I do. 53 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.669 Yeah, so they had said give give it, you call, she'll 54 00:03:57.710 --> 00:04:01.069 tell you about the resources. Right. Yeah, so I texted her and 55 00:04:01.150 --> 00:04:08.750 she's said, you know, she's embarrassed and and so the initial part of 56 00:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.340 that of the conversation, and we're not going to read through all the text 57 00:04:12.379 --> 00:04:17.300 because it would just be too long, but was me offering help and and 58 00:04:17.500 --> 00:04:23.500 working through, first of all, her concerns that she was going to be 59 00:04:23.740 --> 00:04:28.290 judged. Yeah, and that she was being judged, or condemned would probably 60 00:04:28.290 --> 00:04:31.449 be a better word, that she thought that we were condemning her. So 61 00:04:31.649 --> 00:04:38.129 work through that and she was willing then to to talk with me a little 62 00:04:38.290 --> 00:04:42.680 and and she said thank you when I said listen, I'm here always. 63 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.560 I if you want to talk, I will try my best to help. 64 00:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.079 Yeah, and I will try my best to show you I'm not here to 65 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.269 judge you. And so she said, well, thank you. Just whisper 66 00:04:53.350 --> 00:04:56.310 a prayer for me please. So that was kind of, for me, 67 00:04:56.470 --> 00:04:59.069 the first turning point, right. Yeah, whisper up. So, just 68 00:04:59.230 --> 00:05:02.910 without getting into a lot of the details of why she felt judge while she 69 00:05:03.069 --> 00:05:08.300 felt, you know, and how even that came into play, because there's 70 00:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.779 a lot going on behind the scenes there, how she even was to think 71 00:05:12.819 --> 00:05:16.060 that her family found out and because of our connection there that her family found 72 00:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.540 out. We will get into all of that. But understand, guys, 73 00:05:19.660 --> 00:05:23.610 and if you've been out to an abortion center, if you've ministered to abortion 74 00:05:23.689 --> 00:05:27.930 mounted women, you probably already understand that there's a lot of guilt associated with 75 00:05:28.009 --> 00:05:30.730 it. Even again, with a woman who left the abortion clinic who at 76 00:05:30.769 --> 00:05:34.920 least was a choice for life, so much so that she stopped and talk 77 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.199 with our counselors on the way out and didn't get the abortion and didn't have 78 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.399 the abortion right, she still yeah, there was some guilt associated with even 79 00:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.079 being at the abortion clinic. So we have to understand that to that when 80 00:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.230 we're when we're talking about because we can get into all the the biblical because 81 00:05:53.269 --> 00:05:57.310 we did a podcast about judgment, all the biblical justification for us to judge. 82 00:05:57.350 --> 00:06:00.670 Yes, we are to make judgments, but in this situation what she's 83 00:06:00.750 --> 00:06:03.579 really saying is, I feel guilty and I'm concerned. You're going to make 84 00:06:03.620 --> 00:06:09.459 me feel more guilty and you're going to heap condemnation on me and all of 85 00:06:09.579 --> 00:06:12.899 that. So just to meet her where she's at. You're saying. I'm 86 00:06:12.939 --> 00:06:15.180 not connecting with you to judge you, I just want to help you. 87 00:06:15.540 --> 00:06:19.610 Right, and you're dealing with that guilt that she feels and rather than trying 88 00:06:19.649 --> 00:06:24.850 to magnify that, obviously the Holy Spirit needs to minister to that. The 89 00:06:24.970 --> 00:06:28.610 Holy Spirit is not against guilt. As a matter of fact, the Holy 90 00:06:28.649 --> 00:06:33.600 Spirit uses guilt to bring people to a place of ultimately to salvation. Right. 91 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.600 You exactly don't come to the Lord for Salvation until you understand that you're 92 00:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.279 guilty before God for sin. Right. But you're not going to say all 93 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.079 that stuff just initially. Right, you work through this, and that's basically 94 00:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.269 what you're doing here. You're working through that guilt and trying to show her 95 00:06:49.430 --> 00:06:53.670 why that guilt is even there. Right, and and told her don't beat 96 00:06:53.670 --> 00:06:57.470 yourself up. You overcame that temptation. You were tempted to Sind we all 97 00:06:57.509 --> 00:07:00.620 are tempted to sin, but you overcame at don't beat yourself up. Satan 98 00:07:01.100 --> 00:07:04.500 is the one that does that. Yeah, not, not God. So 99 00:07:04.899 --> 00:07:09.339 just trying to first of all comfort her. Yeah, it was the first 100 00:07:09.420 --> 00:07:15.379 part of the the session. Yeah, with with her. And then when 101 00:07:15.420 --> 00:07:19.370 I said that, it kind of opened trust, maybe, yeah, in 102 00:07:19.529 --> 00:07:25.810 her towards me and she shared the problem, really the crux of the problem. 103 00:07:26.250 --> 00:07:30.240 She said, I know, but I'm already having a hard time with 104 00:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.120 the many children that I have. And just to preserve privacy, I won't 105 00:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.680 name the number, but it was a lot. Just she has a lot 106 00:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.600 of children. So here's the problem identified now and which is really the first 107 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.829 step towards any ability to help someone. You understand what the problem was. 108 00:07:46.870 --> 00:07:48.589 So the problems. She's overwhelmed, she's got a lot of kids. She 109 00:07:48.910 --> 00:07:56.470 already was struggling to provide for the children that she had. So so the 110 00:07:56.550 --> 00:08:01.019 first thing in the discussion. Then it went into something I don't often do, 111 00:08:01.819 --> 00:08:03.579 but knowing the number of children, knowing that she was ready to kill 112 00:08:03.620 --> 00:08:09.180 that child and knowing that she's feeling totally overwhelmed, I did say they're there 113 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.329 are resources, but if you choose to parent this child, we will help 114 00:08:13.370 --> 00:08:16.449 you. Yeah, and we have so many resources that can help you. 115 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.610 But if you choose that parenting is not possible for you, we will walk 116 00:08:22.689 --> 00:08:28.279 you through adoption. Yeah, placing your child for adoption. And she didn't 117 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.120 reject that idea. So I knew that that was kind of in the back 118 00:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.240 of in the back of her mind. Yeah, at least a consideration for 119 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.360 her. Right, right, and I reminded her that she had time. 120 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.549 Yeah, you have you have time. She was not. She was early 121 00:08:41.629 --> 00:08:43.990 on in the pregnancy. You have time before you have to make this decision. 122 00:08:45.909 --> 00:08:50.549 So the the next step for me. I know she's shaky. I 123 00:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.779 know I was probably not going to go for adoption, and most women don't. 124 00:08:54.820 --> 00:08:58.779 Yeah, that we interact with, which we've talked about before on past 125 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:05.740 podcast. So I knew that really for her, abortion is still on the 126 00:09:05.860 --> 00:09:09.929 table. And as soon as possible, try to introduce the idea of God. 127 00:09:11.049 --> 00:09:15.730 Yeah, I've mentioned resources. She didn't start jumping up and down with 128 00:09:15.809 --> 00:09:18.409 joy. Say No, then my mind is made up. Right. So 129 00:09:18.570 --> 00:09:26.960 then you segue into the discussion of God and one of the we knew, 130 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.840 by the way, just as to shed some light on what I was working 131 00:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.080 with. I knew from the afternoon team that she claimed to be a Christian. 132 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.029 Yeah, that's important. Yeah, she claimed to believe in God. 133 00:09:39.269 --> 00:09:45.110 She even claimed that Jesus was her Lord. I knew that. So I 134 00:09:45.230 --> 00:09:48.429 knew that that was where I needed to speak with her. Yeah, and 135 00:09:48.590 --> 00:09:54.220 in that whole idea of Lordship. So one of the I right away. 136 00:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.019 Then this gives me the ability to start sharing scripture. She's the one that 137 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:03.940 first brought up prayer and and so I said, well, if, if 138 00:10:03.019 --> 00:10:07.289 you know God and if you claim Jesus is Lord, you know Jesus himself 139 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.370 says, if you love me, you will do what I say. I 140 00:10:11.529 --> 00:10:15.769 think you love him, and his word is clear. He says the shedding 141 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:22.480 of innocent blood is one of the seven greatest abominations before God. And that 142 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.679 scripture. Well, that's that was that's a description of a person, proverbs. 143 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.000 But that's bringing her to the truth of your claiming Jesus is Lord, 144 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:39.950 and yet you're here to shed this innocent child's blood and and we're told that 145 00:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.149 that is not okay. Yeah, if yes is your Lord. And so 146 00:10:43.629 --> 00:10:46.830 some folks that that might be listening. I think, wow, you just 147 00:10:46.990 --> 00:10:50.179 went straightforward. You didn't. You didn't dance around the issue. You went 148 00:10:50.299 --> 00:10:52.539 straight for yeah, if you're claiming to be a Christian, right, you 149 00:10:52.580 --> 00:10:56.899 can't kill your innocent child, and I guess every time you do that you 150 00:10:56.940 --> 00:11:01.019 do risk them hanging up on you. Absolutely do you risk you know, 151 00:11:01.259 --> 00:11:05.850 I no response there on that text thread. Yeah, that's rights, them 152 00:11:05.929 --> 00:11:09.330 hanging up on you if you're on the phone. You risk them driving off 153 00:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.649 if they in their vehicle. Right, and you know, with any of 154 00:11:11.649 --> 00:11:16.809 these situations you have to be led by the Holy Spirit. Probably wouldn't go 155 00:11:16.889 --> 00:11:20.879 right there if I was talking to a woman car side in front of the 156 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.080 abortion center, but if I'm talking to them on the phone they've left the 157 00:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.360 abortion center, at least have some information there that they claim to be a 158 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.799 Christian, also that they felt the conviction enough to leave the abortion said I 159 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.629 have the abortion that they so I know what I'm dealing with here. I'm 160 00:11:35.669 --> 00:11:39.070 dealing with someone who's pretty inclined to listen, at least to hear me out. 161 00:11:39.629 --> 00:11:43.909 And so why beat around the Bush? Why not down straight for the 162 00:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.070 exactly? We don't know how much time we have. I knew that already. 163 00:11:46.340 --> 00:11:50.299 She's she's with a lot of kids, that it's not naptime, the 164 00:11:50.299 --> 00:11:54.940 kids are awake and I knew I had limited time and, as we always 165 00:11:54.980 --> 00:12:01.259 do really when we're dealing with an abortion minded woman. So and if she's 166 00:12:01.340 --> 00:12:05.610 claimed the Lord, then and and she told our counselor she claimed Jesus as 167 00:12:05.690 --> 00:12:09.450 Lord and they believed her. They said they felt that she had an understanding, 168 00:12:09.570 --> 00:12:13.129 a true understanding, of Jesus as Lord. Yeah, so, yeah, 169 00:12:13.129 --> 00:12:16.799 I was probably more straightforward than I would have been with someone who had 170 00:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.200 not claimed that they had a faith. Yes, saving faith. But I 171 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.120 went back to where she said she's already having a hard time and what that 172 00:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.509 tells me is not only is she struggling with the very real struggle of handling 173 00:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.269 a lot of children, but it's not what she wanted in life. Yes, 174 00:12:37.350 --> 00:12:41.230 I would maybe what she expected, yeah, of someone who's following God 175 00:12:41.350 --> 00:12:46.980 and now he's given her another child which she sees is just hea being struggle 176 00:12:46.019 --> 00:12:52.379 upon struggle. And I wanted to address that and said that the Bible says 177 00:12:52.419 --> 00:12:56.700 nothing is impossible with God, but that doesn't mean we won't have troubles. 178 00:12:56.940 --> 00:13:00.610 Jesus himself says, in this world you will have troubles, but take heart, 179 00:13:00.809 --> 00:13:05.570 I have overcome the world and as and I'm talking about that verse and 180 00:13:05.690 --> 00:13:11.889 what it means to have struggles and troubles and that that doesn't mean that you're 181 00:13:11.929 --> 00:13:16.320 not walking with God at all. God himself tells us that we will have 182 00:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.679 yeah, absolutely. And so what you're bringing into the equation, which is 183 00:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.480 often times where we want to get to in the conversation, again, whether 184 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.070 we're talking to a woman car side at the abortion center or on the sidewalk 185 00:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.070 in front of the abortion center or on the phone or through text or whatever 186 00:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.350 means, yeah, is we want to bring God into the equation. Yes, 187 00:13:37.470 --> 00:13:39.149 that's right. I mean he's already in the equation. Of course, 188 00:13:39.590 --> 00:13:43.100 he's the Lord of Heaven and earth, but they're in their mind and there. 189 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:46.179 Yeah, they're not acknowledging that and because of the fear, because of 190 00:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580 the selfishness and because of whatever else is going on, they've sort of made 191 00:13:50.620 --> 00:13:56.090 God a side issue. Yeah, and so we need to bring him to 192 00:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.529 the forefront of their minds and remind them that, yes, they're accountable to 193 00:14:00.570 --> 00:14:03.970 him, but also he's faithful. Yeah, he's faithful in these situations, 194 00:14:05.049 --> 00:14:07.490 and you know this. Goes right along the lines of helping them trust in 195 00:14:07.529 --> 00:14:11.399 the Lord, to bring God into the equation and his character, that he's 196 00:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.600 faithful. Yeah, that he though you'll have tribulation, he's with you in 197 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.600 the midst of that tribulation's right, and and to correct misperceptions, because it 198 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.919 is some as perception that if you trust God, your life is going to 199 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389 be easy. He never promises right, God never says that, and I 200 00:14:28.669 --> 00:14:31.950 do think that that is one of the dangers of modern Christianity. Absolutely, 201 00:14:31.990 --> 00:14:37.509 that that is promised and if there's struggles or troubles we try to get rid 202 00:14:37.549 --> 00:14:41.500 of them, as though that's not normal. But that's just so. Yeah, 203 00:14:41.659 --> 00:14:45.740 counter to what the Bible tells. Absolutely, you know, you've got, 204 00:14:46.419 --> 00:14:48.899 you know, the modern like Prosperity Gospel. Right, that has to 205 00:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.700 do with only, you know, health and wealth and has very little to 206 00:14:52.740 --> 00:14:56.929 do with laying down your life, taking up your cross and following Jesus right 207 00:14:56.129 --> 00:14:58.809 the whole. You know, God loves you and has a wonderful plan for 208 00:14:58.889 --> 00:15:03.330 your life. Gospel. Yeah, and man, tell tell Stephen that who 209 00:15:03.409 --> 00:15:07.720 was stoned in the first century for his is faith in Jesus. It's not 210 00:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840 that God doesn't have wonderful plan for your life. He certainly does his plans 211 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.360 just as not always necessarily your plan, and sometimes I think that you would 212 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.200 think that maybe that's a terrible message. I've had many people tell me what 213 00:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.710 that's depressing. Well, maybe, except no one who has lived any length 214 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.389 of time has not experienced struggle and trouble. They we all do, and 215 00:15:31.470 --> 00:15:37.779 I think it's freeing for us to know. Wait, this doesn't mean necessarily 216 00:15:37.460 --> 00:15:41.899 that it's because I'm walking away from God or disobedient to God. It's just 217 00:15:43.379 --> 00:15:46.620 what life is. There will be struggle and trouble, but there is an 218 00:15:46.659 --> 00:15:52.889 accompanying promise, yeah, by God, which you touched on when you said 219 00:15:52.289 --> 00:15:56.490 Jesus is with us. He is it. We're not alone through those struggles 220 00:15:56.649 --> 00:16:03.490 and ultimately, and I'm I talked with her about this, ultimately Jesus words 221 00:16:03.529 --> 00:16:07.039 are I have overcome the world. Take Heart, I have overcome the world. 222 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.080 In other words, he wins. Yeah, he has the victory. 223 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.399 And so who do we want to hitch our wagon to? Yeah, he 224 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.110 who has overcome the world and has the victory, or the author of death, 225 00:16:19.230 --> 00:16:23.549 the enemy of our soul who is whispering her in her ear all this 226 00:16:23.830 --> 00:16:27.190 shame and condemnation and just go do it and get rid of your troubles and 227 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:32.230 kill your baby. And so I was trying to paint the picture of that. 228 00:16:32.899 --> 00:16:41.220 She needs to turn to God, who has overcome the world, and 229 00:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.059 and talked with her about the promises that God does make. Abundant joy, 230 00:16:47.100 --> 00:16:52.049 abundant life, peace, eternal life. Yeah, so those are those are 231 00:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.809 worth pursuing. And at that point there was an interesting again, I thought 232 00:16:57.809 --> 00:17:07.480 it was a turning point. She made a very insightful comment about herself and 233 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.359 I thought it should great self perception and self awareness, and also she's opening 234 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.480 up to me, which is always a good sign. Anybody who will listen 235 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.349 to that. When you just kind of lay it out real playing and say 236 00:17:18.869 --> 00:17:22.990 this is an abomination before God, right, and will continue on in the 237 00:17:22.029 --> 00:17:26.549 conversation, least you know you've got their attention and you hadn't lost them there, 238 00:17:26.789 --> 00:17:30.900 right, you know, right and that. Of course, that doesn't 239 00:17:30.900 --> 00:17:33.579 work with everyone and you do rely on the Holy Spirit, but I had 240 00:17:33.740 --> 00:17:40.460 a counseling session right after this, just the next day, where the woman 241 00:17:40.619 --> 00:17:45.089 said that the reason that she wanted to listen to me was because you don't 242 00:17:45.089 --> 00:17:48.609 sugarcoat it. That's what she said. You don't sugarcoat it. So I 243 00:17:48.769 --> 00:17:52.450 think sometimes we are mistaken that. Well, people want to hear is everything 244 00:17:53.210 --> 00:17:56.809 phrased in gentle you know. I mean we want to be gentle, but 245 00:17:56.970 --> 00:18:02.039 we don't want to make it sound better than it really is, because they 246 00:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.279 know it's not better than it really is, of course. So, anyway, 247 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.480 she said, I've realized I don't really love myself. I don't respect 248 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:15.309 myself either, so it is hard to trust God when I don't know if 249 00:18:15.349 --> 00:18:22.950 I can trust myself. Yeah, she can't trust God because she can't trust 250 00:18:22.069 --> 00:18:27.019 herself, whereas I flip that around right away, right, of course, 251 00:18:27.180 --> 00:18:32.420 you know, and told her you're right, you can't trust yourself. None 252 00:18:32.460 --> 00:18:37.660 of us really can trust ourselves, but we can trust God. He is 253 00:18:37.819 --> 00:18:40.940 trustworthy. Yeah, we're not. Yeah, you know a lot of that. 254 00:18:41.180 --> 00:18:44.369 was talking someone about this the other day, actually, one of our 255 00:18:44.369 --> 00:18:48.089 new volunteers, and about one of the issues that many of the not just 256 00:18:48.210 --> 00:18:51.809 the women that we encounter and men that we encounter the abortion center, but 257 00:18:51.930 --> 00:18:57.279 just in general in society, is that society has an identity crisis. You've 258 00:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.440 got an identity crisis. Yeah, and that identity crisis is rooted in we 259 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.960 don't know who god is. We don't know who we are because we don't 260 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.349 know who god is, and a world that's rejected God is in a isis 261 00:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.269 of crisis right there's no solid foundation. To the point, you know, 262 00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:19.029 even the fabric that God has established in society of the family, has fallen 263 00:19:19.069 --> 00:19:22.670 apart. A lot of people have an identity crisis. They don't know they're 264 00:19:22.710 --> 00:19:26.420 worth and their value because their father wasn't in the picture. And a lot 265 00:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.819 of children, the way God has designed it, find, I want to 266 00:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.420 say, their value, but at least they're worth in their purpose from their 267 00:19:33.460 --> 00:19:38.450 fathers. And their father's not there, then they don't know they're they're worth 268 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130 in their value and in the same token, if they rejected God, as 269 00:19:42.210 --> 00:19:47.289 of course the heavenly father, have a hard time seeing their worth and their 270 00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.410 value there. So it's just this whole big picture of things fallen apart and 271 00:19:51.450 --> 00:19:53.720 the way they got is on it. That is exactly what I found as 272 00:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.839 as the discussion went on. But asking questions, we've said that many times, 273 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.519 is really a good counseling technique and I did ask a lot of questions 274 00:20:03.559 --> 00:20:10.349 and one of them was why do you not love yourself? And she said 275 00:20:10.390 --> 00:20:14.230 she would not allow the things she allowed, she wouldn't allow people to hurt 276 00:20:14.230 --> 00:20:18.549 her and she wouldn't beat herself up over things that she could not change. 277 00:20:21.109 --> 00:20:29.740 But she was not really recognizing that maybe she didn't love herself because she was 278 00:20:30.019 --> 00:20:34.380 doing things that she didn't want to be doing. Yeah, that I mean, 279 00:20:36.049 --> 00:20:37.769 she wanted to be doing them, but they were in rebellion. Right. 280 00:20:37.809 --> 00:20:41.890 Yeah, that's that. That fight in the heart, right, the 281 00:20:41.970 --> 00:20:45.569 battle between the flesh and the in the spirit. Right, and she's dealing 282 00:20:45.609 --> 00:20:48.890 with and given, more over, into the flesh. It Causes Destruction, 283 00:20:48.970 --> 00:20:52.599 it calls US depression, it causes all these things that come in the hearts, 284 00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.200 in the minds of people that give themselves to sin. Right. And 285 00:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.359 when I asked her, that's that. When when she least loved herself, 286 00:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.430 it was in the times when she disobeyed God. Yes, she walked away 287 00:21:03.470 --> 00:21:07.150 from God. She you know, it's interesting that here we are having a 288 00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:10.950 discussion where she's still abortion mind it. There's no doubt she's just still thinking 289 00:21:10.990 --> 00:21:14.269 about abortion, and she's saying, I don't love myself. Well, no, 290 00:21:14.430 --> 00:21:18.230 kidding, you're about to go do one of the worst things you could 291 00:21:18.230 --> 00:21:22.859 do before God, and as a woman, and certainly to that that innocent 292 00:21:22.019 --> 00:21:30.539 baby. It's hard to love yourself when you're engaged in just such direct rebellion 293 00:21:30.940 --> 00:21:37.730 against right from wrong. Yeah, violating your conscience exactly. So I said 294 00:21:37.809 --> 00:21:41.569 that. I said when when you obey God, how do you feel? 295 00:21:42.289 --> 00:21:48.599 And she felt better about herself. Yeah, and and I asked her those 296 00:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.599 times when you have obeyed God are The Times? It was that when your 297 00:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.200 faith was strong or weak, and they were times when her faith was stronger. 298 00:21:59.240 --> 00:22:04.869 Yeah, and and then I said I believe that we love ourselves most 299 00:22:06.589 --> 00:22:08.549 when we are in the will of God. Odd and again. I felt 300 00:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.269 that that was a turning point. Yeah, because she, I don't think, 301 00:22:12.390 --> 00:22:18.660 had considered that at all. I think she was saying she was kind 302 00:22:18.660 --> 00:22:23.180 of blaming the world around her. Think she had no control over how people 303 00:22:23.339 --> 00:22:29.460 treat her, how she responds to how they treat her and how angry she 304 00:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.250 is about things. She can't change. None of those things she could really 305 00:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.329 have any effect on, but she could affect whether she obeyed God or not. 306 00:22:37.569 --> 00:22:41.529 Yeah, are either. Scripture here that came to mine, John, 307 00:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.759 Chapter Four. This is Jesus, he just got done minister into the woman 308 00:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.720 at the will and powerful. You know, you guys know this story. 309 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.720 I'm sure she goes off to her village to testify about who Jesus was. 310 00:22:53.319 --> 00:23:00.750 Well, Jesus Disciples show up and and it says they urged him to eat. 311 00:23:00.829 --> 00:23:03.390 This is in chapter four, verse thirty. One. His disciples urged 312 00:23:03.430 --> 00:23:07.789 him to eat, saying REBBA, eat, and he said to them, 313 00:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.390 I have food to eat, of which you do not know. And then 314 00:23:11.549 --> 00:23:15.019 one of it's a I give him food, and he goes on to say 315 00:23:15.460 --> 00:23:18.339 my food is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish 316 00:23:18.420 --> 00:23:23.740 his work. So his nutrients came from obeying God. Right, and maybe 317 00:23:23.779 --> 00:23:27.170 it's maybe it's not the greatest comparison here, but I think it is if 318 00:23:27.170 --> 00:23:33.089 you think about it in your human relationships. As a child, did you 319 00:23:33.210 --> 00:23:37.609 not feel like really good when you when you cleaned your room without asking? 320 00:23:37.809 --> 00:23:40.289 Yeah, without your parents asking. You know what I'm saying. You felt 321 00:23:40.289 --> 00:23:41.920 good about yourself, like I did the right thing finally, and I feel 322 00:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.640 good about myself. That loves you exactly, and you show your love by 323 00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.680 your obedience to them, and it does feel good feels good. Yeah, 324 00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.200 in the same way. You know, as a Christian, I'm sure some 325 00:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.109 of you guys you know brand new as Christians. You haven't shared your faith 326 00:23:57.150 --> 00:24:02.269 a lot, and then you finally step out and you give a track to 327 00:24:02.390 --> 00:24:06.549 somebody at the grocery store or you share the Gospel with somebody you've been praying 328 00:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.910 for a long time and you know, it's like in your mind before you 329 00:24:10.059 --> 00:24:11.940 did it's like, I can't do that, it would feel terrible if I 330 00:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.180 did it. I just feel I feel, I don't know, embarrassed or 331 00:24:15.220 --> 00:24:18.259 whatever these bad feelings come but when you actually do it, then you start 332 00:24:18.259 --> 00:24:23.059 to feel huh, you almost feel like the satisfaction of your heavenly father. 333 00:24:23.650 --> 00:24:26.089 That's kind of what Jesus is talking about. That's kind of what this young 334 00:24:26.130 --> 00:24:30.809 lady's dealing with. She's doing things that disobey God right, but she feels 335 00:24:30.849 --> 00:24:34.170 good when she finally does obey the Lord. It's like that satisfaction that you've 336 00:24:34.250 --> 00:24:37.769 done what is right in the side of your head, my father, and 337 00:24:37.849 --> 00:24:40.759 I'm glad you said that because actually I think that was an important part of 338 00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.799 the conversation that I did skip over about where I was talking about you did 339 00:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.480 obey God today. You obeyed God when you walked out of that abortion center. 340 00:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.950 You'd nothing was solved. Yet. Yeah, nothing had changed in your 341 00:24:53.990 --> 00:24:57.190 situation. Nothing. It still hasn't changed. We're telling you it will, 342 00:24:57.309 --> 00:25:00.990 but it still ha has not. And yet you chose to obey God when 343 00:25:00.990 --> 00:25:04.789 you walked out. How did that make you feel? And she exactly what 344 00:25:04.910 --> 00:25:07.940 you said, Daniel. It made her feel good. Yeah, and so 345 00:25:08.140 --> 00:25:14.700 that's our love, I think, for ourself comes when we most mirror God. 346 00:25:14.980 --> 00:25:18.779 Yeah, when we most reflect our heavenly father, because that's what we're 347 00:25:18.779 --> 00:25:22.130 made for. Yeah, our purpose is to glorify God. So when we 348 00:25:22.210 --> 00:25:29.809 are glorifying God in our actions is when we most love ourselves, because we 349 00:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.329 know we are doing what we were made to do. And every act of 350 00:25:33.450 --> 00:25:38.119 disobedience, I think, is an act that takes us further from true and 351 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:47.079 and what is honest and healthy self love. Yeah, absolutely. So she 352 00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.029 said that she's struggling, she's trying, she's trying, and and then I 353 00:25:52.150 --> 00:25:56.190 address that, because we hear that all the time too. I'm trying, 354 00:25:56.349 --> 00:26:00.750 I'm trying, I'm trying so hard, but I keep failing, and I 355 00:26:00.910 --> 00:26:07.220 think sometimes we do try too hard on our own power. Yeah, and 356 00:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.619 not submitting enough to the power and the strength of God. And when do 357 00:26:11.740 --> 00:26:15.420 we feel that? When we obey him. Yeah, when we follow him, 358 00:26:15.420 --> 00:26:19.049 when we pray and ask him to help us. He does. He 359 00:26:19.450 --> 00:26:23.769 always answers that prayer. Yeah, he gives us just enough strength, yes, 360 00:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.650 absolutely, to make make it through whatever we need to do. And, 361 00:26:27.890 --> 00:26:33.279 and I guess I actually said that, if the purpose in your life 362 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.119 is to glorify God, it takes the focus off of your failures and yourself 363 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.559 and puts the focus on God, which is where it needs to be. 364 00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.079 Yeah, and at that point she said I agree. Yeah, and again 365 00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.230 a validation and I think, a turning point for her that Oh, maybe 366 00:26:52.309 --> 00:26:55.029 my focus has been too much on my struggle, too much on me, 367 00:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.349 too much on what I can control, and really it needs to be on 368 00:27:00.589 --> 00:27:06.859 God. Yeah. So from from that point I went into the Gospel, 369 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:10.900 because I think now she's been engaging with me for quite some time at this 370 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.140 point about God, but there hasn't been a real sharing of the Gospel. 371 00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.170 I knew that our afternoon team had to some degree shared the Gospel, so 372 00:27:19.210 --> 00:27:25.690 I didn't feel the pressure. You know fully it's a pressure I put on 373 00:27:25.769 --> 00:27:29.170 myself, but that I feel God calls us to share the full Gospel. 374 00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:30.960 I knew that she at least heard some of it. She claimed to know 375 00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:33.920 it, but I did ask her at that point are you going to heaven 376 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.880 or hell? What you think? And she she answered that she was going 377 00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:45.109 to heaven and I asked why, and she said because because she had faith. 378 00:27:45.150 --> 00:27:51.190 Yeah, and and she was basically good. Yeah, which we hear 379 00:27:51.230 --> 00:27:52.670 a lot. Right, I'm a good person. Yeah. So I said, 380 00:27:52.670 --> 00:27:56.150 well, if would there be enough bad things you could do to send 381 00:27:56.190 --> 00:28:00.539 you to hell? And she said no, I could do a million times 382 00:28:00.740 --> 00:28:06.140 too, I think she said, bad things, as long as I repent, 383 00:28:06.220 --> 00:28:10.980 yeah, he will hear me, and so that's always a red flag 384 00:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.049 to me. That's red flag. And why is that a big concern in 385 00:28:15.170 --> 00:28:19.450 this conversation? It's because there's that in the back of the mind. Justification 386 00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:23.849 for an abortion. Absolutely, and it's well, I can do a million 387 00:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.880 times two things and God will forgive me as long as I repent first. 388 00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.599 Almost there's a misunderstanding what repent even means exact almost like repent just means saying 389 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.480 you're sorry, and that's not at all what repentance, to do whatever you 390 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:38.920 want to do, as long as you're sure to say I'm sorry when you're 391 00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.910 done. Yeah, exactly. And Yeah, of course that's a dressed in 392 00:28:41.950 --> 00:28:48.470 the scripture several times. Many shall we sin? That grace might have bound, 393 00:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.309 may it never be right. So using the grace of God as a 394 00:28:52.470 --> 00:28:56.619 license for sin, right is, is not okay in the sight of God. 395 00:28:56.779 --> 00:29:00.420 It's a trap, right, the trap of the enemy. And that's 396 00:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.180 what she was tempted to do. And in one sense, in conversations like 397 00:29:04.299 --> 00:29:07.740 this, and this is where you guys need to be cued in, is 398 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.410 that sometimes, and you're when you're in a conversation like this with an abortion 399 00:29:11.490 --> 00:29:15.369 minded mom, whether it again, it be by text or over the phone 400 00:29:15.369 --> 00:29:18.930 or right there at the abortion clinic, they're trying to grab all into justifications 401 00:29:19.089 --> 00:29:22.569 for abortion. You got to be so careful. Yeah, you got it. 402 00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:26.920 Is One of those big, big areas. Yeah, area of forgiveness. 403 00:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.279 You have to be so careful that. That's saying, which we did 404 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.240 do a podcast about, for damps of it as well, how to introduce 405 00:29:36.319 --> 00:29:40.069 forgiveness right, because it's a big thing. If you're if you're one of 406 00:29:40.109 --> 00:29:44.950 those people that will just say yeah, God will forgive you. You need 407 00:29:44.990 --> 00:29:48.789 to be careful for that, because that's not actually true. God, here's 408 00:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.750 the thing. God is not beholden to anyone. God does not have to 409 00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:56.420 forgive anyone for anything, and just to broadcast this idea that God will forgive 410 00:29:56.460 --> 00:30:03.779 you is incorrect. It's not biblical and it gives a justification for a sin 411 00:30:03.900 --> 00:30:06.859 and especially when we're dealing with the murder of a child, we need to 412 00:30:06.940 --> 00:30:10.490 be careful. So just here hear what I'm saying and not what I'm not 413 00:30:10.569 --> 00:30:17.089 saying. I am saying God is not required to forgive that person, but 414 00:30:17.250 --> 00:30:21.640 God can and God will if they truly repent. So that needs to be 415 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.839 that's the caveat here. So just to broadcast this idea that, yes, 416 00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.720 you have this abortion, yes, God will forgive you, because you will 417 00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.839 have those conversations a lot of times. We have one not too long ago 418 00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.519 with a young lady yelling back at this won't God forgive me, and it's 419 00:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.670 like well, you want to respond with yes, he will, but I 420 00:30:40.869 --> 00:30:45.150 sometimes will respond with no, he won't forgive you unless you get yeah, 421 00:30:45.230 --> 00:30:48.069 not with that attitude, unless you repent, and you're not in a position 422 00:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.900 to repent, you're hardening your heart, you're about to go walk in and 423 00:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.019 do that. And that was exactly what was going on. I feel very 424 00:30:56.180 --> 00:31:02.859 confident that that's much she is US fishing for a way out. And so 425 00:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.450 I said, I agree with you. With a CAFFIAT. I think I 426 00:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.529 use that word with with with with a caveat. I said, what do 427 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.730 you think of Hebrews ten twenty six? And I said, let me find 428 00:31:15.769 --> 00:31:21.920 it and paste it here for you, for if we go on sinning deliberately 429 00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.559 after receiving the knowledge of the truth, they're no longer remains a sacrifice for 430 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.440 sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment and a fury of fire that will 431 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.430 consume the adversaries. So that's Romans ten, twenty six and twenty seven. 432 00:31:37.349 --> 00:31:44.109 And and then I I kept talking. She was was not texting during that 433 00:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.740 point. I'm assuming she's letting that verse sink in and I often will pause 434 00:31:47.779 --> 00:31:51.819 after reading that verse. I use this verse a lot. Yeah, and 435 00:31:52.299 --> 00:31:53.900 and I the other verse I use a lot is, if you love me, 436 00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.460 you will obey me. And why do you call me Lord Lord and 437 00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.900 not do what I say? Yeah, they all are kind of saying the 438 00:31:59.980 --> 00:32:05.849 same thing. But so let that sink in. And then I said if 439 00:32:05.930 --> 00:32:08.849 we know what is right and still continue to do wrong, this versus a 440 00:32:09.009 --> 00:32:14.730 dire warnt warning. True repentance means we turn from wrong. For example, 441 00:32:14.730 --> 00:32:16.759 I think I may have given this example before on our podcast, but it's 442 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:22.599 such a good example, honestly because I've had so many turning points, I 443 00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.480 think, in conversations when I share this. Right, yeah, if you 444 00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.920 were married and your husband and said, I think our new neighbor is hot, 445 00:32:30.230 --> 00:32:31.470 I'm going to go have sex with her, but I will be right 446 00:32:31.630 --> 00:32:37.390 back because I know you will forgive me. Would that be all right with 447 00:32:37.549 --> 00:32:40.670 you? And she said of course not, of course not. Yeah, 448 00:32:40.789 --> 00:32:45.180 and I said, I know right, but that's what we do to God. 449 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:47.539 We say I know it is wrong, but I know you will forgive 450 00:32:47.579 --> 00:32:51.819 me, so I will do it anyway. Yeah, and she sent back 451 00:32:51.859 --> 00:32:55.740 a frownie face. Yeah, so you've taken a biblical truth and you've made 452 00:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.769 it personal for her. That's just like what Nathan the Prophet did with David 453 00:33:00.849 --> 00:33:06.049 and his sin with best she but he gives this example of this man taking 454 00:33:06.089 --> 00:33:09.289 this this other man's lamb for himself the only lamb this poor man, and 455 00:33:09.410 --> 00:33:13.720 David's, of course, outrage, like this guy needs to be brought to 456 00:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.519 justice. Well, you're that man that came so bringing. Basically, you're 457 00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.599 putting God in the position of he just is going to forgive you. What 458 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.599 if you're in that position when your husband does this, you're just going to 459 00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.309 forgive him? Right, just, okay, he tells you ahead of time, 460 00:33:28.309 --> 00:33:30.029 I'm going to go ahead of this abortion and know her time. Yeah, 461 00:33:30.029 --> 00:33:34.430 because I know you are forgiving God and and of course, that that 462 00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:39.470 doesn't fly right. And and then I then I said that this verse, 463 00:33:39.589 --> 00:33:45.259 if you can be a great encouragement, though, if you couple it with 464 00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:52.180 the truth of Romans ten nine, I think it's Romans ten. Yeah, 465 00:33:52.180 --> 00:33:54.579 Romans ten nine to ten, which one of my favorite verses, and that's 466 00:33:54.730 --> 00:34:00.289 the the crux of my my gospel, sharing his Romans ten nine. If 467 00:34:00.690 --> 00:34:05.289 we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in our heart that 468 00:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.329 God raised him from the dead, then we will be saved. So I 469 00:34:07.489 --> 00:34:10.639 recited that. I texted that to her and and she said, I'm familiar 470 00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.119 with that verse, which makes it even better. Great, yeah, and 471 00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.920 and I said so the in my estimation, the most important phrase in that 472 00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:27.750 verse is Jesus is Lord. And what does that mean? And if if 473 00:34:27.909 --> 00:34:31.590 he is Lord, then whatever is Lord of your life is what controls you. 474 00:34:31.949 --> 00:34:36.750 That's what you'll do, that's what you'll obey, you'll follow whoever is 475 00:34:36.829 --> 00:34:40.059 lord of your life. And she said yes, and then I said so 476 00:34:40.219 --> 00:34:44.820 a lot of people claim Jesus is Lord, but then they disobey him. 477 00:34:45.059 --> 00:34:47.539 They live lives of sexual sin, which I know she's been in. I'd 478 00:34:47.579 --> 00:34:53.329 said that purposefully because I wanted to point that out, lying, cussing, 479 00:34:53.449 --> 00:34:57.730 taking his name in vain, etc. And they say they love him. 480 00:34:58.130 --> 00:35:04.010 Do they really love him if he's Lord and they're not living like he is 481 00:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.519 Lord? Is He? And she agreed. Now, yeah, and then 482 00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:15.840 after that discussion I said, let me go all the way back to the 483 00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.719 beginning. At the very beginning I had asked her which she accept a mentor 484 00:35:21.469 --> 00:35:25.230 which would help her through our organization of Sister Organization and Sister Ministry Love Life 485 00:35:25.230 --> 00:35:30.110 Charlotte, and which she agree to have an ultrasound to see her baby, 486 00:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.829 because I knew she didn't want to see her baby right yeah, because she's 487 00:35:32.909 --> 00:35:37.420 still not doesn't know what she's going to do with this baby. So, 488 00:35:37.739 --> 00:35:44.619 after this whole discussion, and and and also the reminder our faith is not 489 00:35:44.900 --> 00:35:49.739 tested by when times are good or choices are easy. Our faith, our 490 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.050 proof that Jesus is Lord of our lives, is really in the hard times. 491 00:35:52.329 --> 00:35:58.090 Yeah, the the hard choices, the choices that seem impossible. When 492 00:35:58.130 --> 00:36:01.889 we follow him, then that's how we grow in spiritual strength, and when 493 00:36:01.889 --> 00:36:07.400 we lose ourself in him, that's when we truly find ourself and ultimately find 494 00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.519 true self love. Yeah, and so and self worth. Then I said, 495 00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.360 so, will you go for an ultrasound to see your baby Friday? 496 00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:22.630 And she said yes, yeah, so there was this this whole evolution from, 497 00:36:22.750 --> 00:36:27.710 you know, being a very shaky saved saying yes, and she did. 498 00:36:28.070 --> 00:36:32.179 She did sign up for the mentor so she was brought ultimately to the 499 00:36:32.579 --> 00:36:38.539 only really hope that there was, no matter what situation she faces, which 500 00:36:38.659 --> 00:36:44.579 is God. Yeah, yeah, and trusting and obeying, if she's claiming 501 00:36:44.659 --> 00:36:49.570 him as Lord. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and again, bringing the 502 00:36:49.690 --> 00:36:53.170 Lord into the equation, bringing his truth to bear in her heart and her 503 00:36:53.250 --> 00:36:59.849 mind. Don't, don't, ever, let guys who are listening anyone fool 504 00:36:59.929 --> 00:37:05.880 you into believing that God needs to be a side issue in these conversations with 505 00:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.760 women who are abortion minded. That's garbage. It's got to be centric. 506 00:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.840 He's got to be central to the conversation. I'm telling you, he's central 507 00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.949 to the conversation these women are having in their mind and in their hearts. 508 00:37:19.349 --> 00:37:22.349 I can tell you that even women who might even claim to be atheists, 509 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.869 they are thinking because God has put his word or his law in their hearts. 510 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:34.500 They are thinking about the Lord. Yeah, maybe, maybe, not 511 00:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.179 in the same terms that you and I are, of course, but God 512 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:42.099 is in the equation. So bringing him to the forefront of their minds, 513 00:37:42.219 --> 00:37:45.250 bringing his word. And again, the Holy Spirit has to lead you. 514 00:37:45.690 --> 00:37:50.730 And there can be sometimes where you deal with these situations with kitty gloves because 515 00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:53.849 again, you're dealing with life and death, but there are situations which you 516 00:37:53.929 --> 00:37:58.599 just need to be forthright and just lay it out. Let the Lord do 517 00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.559 his work. Bring his word. His word doesn't return void. His word 518 00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.400 is what the Holy Spirit uses primarily to change that heart. Yeah, and 519 00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.360 just in this flow of conversation that we get shared with you, this mom's 520 00:38:10.400 --> 00:38:16.949 heart was solidified for life and she's getting connected with Bible Preaching, Church and 521 00:38:17.070 --> 00:38:21.630 a mentor that's going to walk alongside her and all that. So we did 522 00:38:21.710 --> 00:38:23.070 want to share this with you, guys, to encourage you, to just 523 00:38:23.230 --> 00:38:25.989 kind of give you an idea of the flow of one of the conversations, 524 00:38:27.139 --> 00:38:31.219 and this, again, is one of among many of conversations. Had the 525 00:38:31.260 --> 00:38:36.659 situation been different, the conversation may have went different in some aspects. Were 526 00:38:36.739 --> 00:38:39.380 for those part bringing God's truth to bear. is going to be in those 527 00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:45.409 conversations, talking about Jesus being Lord, going right for the issues that are 528 00:38:45.449 --> 00:38:49.849 going on in their lives and then their hearts, which is ultimately this connection 529 00:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.170 from the Lord. Yeah, is is a key and they know they know 530 00:38:52.369 --> 00:38:54.760 it. That's the thing is they know it. And when we try to 531 00:38:55.199 --> 00:39:02.360 walk to gingerly around the topics of sin, repentance and what it truly means 532 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.559 to to follow God and if Jesus is Lord, when we tiptoe around that, 533 00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.550 sometimes they I think they that's what they really want. Yeah, because 534 00:39:12.590 --> 00:39:15.670 they know truth. We all know truth deep down inside because, like you 535 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:19.630 said, God writes it on our hearts. We know it and we know 536 00:39:19.789 --> 00:39:23.579 when we've transgressed his laws. Yeah, and we want to find our way 537 00:39:23.619 --> 00:39:29.619 back and they, most of the women we interact with, have plenty of 538 00:39:29.739 --> 00:39:32.340 people that are helping them justify, oh, yeah, wrong, that they're 539 00:39:32.380 --> 00:39:37.139 about to do and that's not what they need and it's really not even what 540 00:39:37.219 --> 00:39:38.650 they really want to hear, right. I think what they really want to 541 00:39:38.730 --> 00:39:44.929 hear is God's voice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 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