Text Conversation With An Abortion-minded Woman

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.109Lord, I am you. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.300:00:10.429 --> 00:00:13.830This episode, me and Vicky aregoing to talk through a text conversation that400:00:13.949 --> 00:00:17.710she had with an abortion minded mom. We thought this conversation would be a500:00:17.750 --> 00:00:24.379blessing for you guys to listen inon. So stay tuned. I felt600:00:24.820 --> 00:00:38.329show Passi touch your use. Allright. Well, welcome to the Gospel700:00:38.490 --> 00:00:46.130Center pro life podcast. Guys,appreciate you joining us and today's podcast we're800:00:46.130 --> 00:00:52.640actually going to go through a conversationthat Vicki had with a mom that had900:00:52.719 --> 00:00:56.479chosen life, or at least you'vebeen ministering to, because we thought it1000:00:56.560 --> 00:00:59.719would be helpful for you guys tokind of hear the flow of the conversation,1100:00:59.840 --> 00:01:03.439at least some of the turning pointsin the conversation. Help you guys1200:01:03.640 --> 00:01:07.189to maybe not know exactly what tosay. Maybe you can learn from our1300:01:07.230 --> 00:01:12.069mistakes. Right. Yeah, andand talk through that and just maybe talk1400:01:12.189 --> 00:01:17.469through well, if I had itall to do over again, I would1500:01:17.469 --> 00:01:19.620say something different. Maybe not.You do pretty good, Vicki. So1600:01:19.939 --> 00:01:23.540we'll critique some of what you saidhere. Yeah, and so it was1700:01:23.620 --> 00:01:26.900interesting because it was a taxt itwas the she wanted to do it only1800:01:26.939 --> 00:01:29.859by text. In fact, Ioffered to all and she didn't want me1900:01:29.939 --> 00:01:32.969to call. She wanted to texts shit several young kids at home,2000:01:33.769 --> 00:01:38.769and so it was all recorded onthe text. So I removed any identifying2100:01:38.890 --> 00:01:42.930information and I thought it really itwas an interesting discussion. And Yeah,2200:01:42.969 --> 00:01:47.840and pretty typical honestly. Yeah,yeah, and just to set the stage2300:01:47.920 --> 00:01:51.439for you guys, this was amom who had come to the abortion center2400:01:52.280 --> 00:01:57.159and she was there until the afternoon. You and I had left because we2500:01:57.200 --> 00:02:00.079were there that morning and had nointeraction whither. As far as I understand,2600:02:00.400 --> 00:02:04.989she heard us. She definitely heardUS talking and calling out, and2700:02:05.390 --> 00:02:08.789in the afternoon she came out ofthe abortion center ended up talking to one2800:02:08.830 --> 00:02:13.909of our afternoon team right and tellingthem that she chose life. Yeah,2900:02:14.189 --> 00:02:16.900at least for today, for thatday. Shaky. They when they talked3000:02:16.939 --> 00:02:21.379to me, they said it wasa shaky save, a shaky choice for3100:02:21.539 --> 00:02:24.539life. Yeah, so choice forlife nonetheless for that day. I got3200:02:24.620 --> 00:02:30.050the contact information from her and fought. You were following up with her and3300:02:30.289 --> 00:02:34.689talking through the situation because we wantto make sure really that she doesn't come3400:02:34.729 --> 00:02:37.250back back to the abortion center,as much as we're able to know.3500:02:37.569 --> 00:02:42.610You said it's a shaky decision forlife. I want to solidify that decision3600:02:42.689 --> 00:02:45.759for life and talk through the strugglesand things that brought her there and let3700:02:45.759 --> 00:02:47.599her know that she doesn't have toget back to that abortion right, right.3800:02:49.159 --> 00:02:53.639And so well, kind of justshare with us how this conversation started3900:02:53.719 --> 00:02:57.919off and the flow of things andagain, as you as are listening through,4000:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.990we're going to talk through some ofthe highlights of this conversation, some4100:03:00.069 --> 00:03:05.750of the turning points and share withyou just some inside they help encourage you4200:03:05.789 --> 00:03:08.629guys in your conversations with abortion mindedwomen. Well, it starts off honestly,4300:03:08.789 --> 00:03:14.219she's mad at me because through honestlyno fault of my own, her4400:03:14.419 --> 00:03:17.939family had found out that she hadbeen at the abortion center. She had4500:03:17.939 --> 00:03:22.139been hiding it, which was importantfor me to know. Yeah, I'm4600:03:22.180 --> 00:03:24.620glad I found that out. Sobecause I knew there was then shame over4700:03:24.659 --> 00:03:31.569over that choice. So the conversationstarted with her saying I'm embarrassed because now4800:03:31.610 --> 00:03:37.370I'm going to be judged by allthese people. And so the the first4900:03:37.490 --> 00:03:39.610thing I did was say, Hey, I'm not here to judge you,5000:03:39.689 --> 00:03:45.400I'm here to offer resources and onit. And that was also why she5100:03:45.599 --> 00:03:50.759was referred to me, because ourcounselors who saw her in the afternoon fairly5200:03:50.879 --> 00:03:53.719new counselors and they just didn't knowall of our resources, and I do.5300:03:54.120 --> 00:03:57.669Yeah, so they had said givegive it, you call, she'll5400:03:57.710 --> 00:04:01.069tell you about the resources. Right. Yeah, so I texted her and5500:04:01.150 --> 00:04:08.750she's said, you know, she'sembarrassed and and so the initial part of5600:04:08.789 --> 00:04:12.340that of the conversation, and we'renot going to read through all the text5700:04:12.379 --> 00:04:17.300because it would just be too long, but was me offering help and and5800:04:17.500 --> 00:04:23.500working through, first of all,her concerns that she was going to be5900:04:23.740 --> 00:04:28.290judged. Yeah, and that shewas being judged, or condemned would probably6000:04:28.290 --> 00:04:31.449be a better word, that shethought that we were condemning her. So6100:04:31.649 --> 00:04:38.129work through that and she was willingthen to to talk with me a little6200:04:38.290 --> 00:04:42.680and and she said thank you whenI said listen, I'm here always.6300:04:42.800 --> 00:04:46.560I if you want to talk,I will try my best to help.6400:04:46.600 --> 00:04:48.079Yeah, and I will try mybest to show you I'm not here to6500:04:48.160 --> 00:04:53.269judge you. And so she said, well, thank you. Just whisper6600:04:53.350 --> 00:04:56.310a prayer for me please. Sothat was kind of, for me,6700:04:56.470 --> 00:04:59.069the first turning point, right.Yeah, whisper up. So, just6800:04:59.230 --> 00:05:02.910without getting into a lot of thedetails of why she felt judge while she6900:05:03.069 --> 00:05:08.300felt, you know, and howeven that came into play, because there's7000:05:08.300 --> 00:05:12.779a lot going on behind the scenesthere, how she even was to think7100:05:12.819 --> 00:05:16.060that her family found out and becauseof our connection there that her family found7200:05:16.060 --> 00:05:19.540out. We will get into allof that. But understand, guys,7300:05:19.660 --> 00:05:23.610and if you've been out to anabortion center, if you've ministered to abortion7400:05:23.689 --> 00:05:27.930mounted women, you probably already understandthat there's a lot of guilt associated with7500:05:28.009 --> 00:05:30.730it. Even again, with awoman who left the abortion clinic who at7600:05:30.769 --> 00:05:34.920least was a choice for life,so much so that she stopped and talk7700:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.199with our counselors on the way outand didn't get the abortion and didn't have7800:05:40.279 --> 00:05:44.399the abortion right, she still yeah, there was some guilt associated with even7900:05:44.439 --> 00:05:47.079being at the abortion clinic. Sowe have to understand that to that when8000:05:47.120 --> 00:05:53.230we're when we're talking about because wecan get into all the the biblical because8100:05:53.269 --> 00:05:57.310we did a podcast about judgment,all the biblical justification for us to judge.8200:05:57.350 --> 00:06:00.670Yes, we are to make judgments, but in this situation what she's8300:06:00.750 --> 00:06:03.579really saying is, I feel guiltyand I'm concerned. You're going to make8400:06:03.620 --> 00:06:09.459me feel more guilty and you're goingto heap condemnation on me and all of8500:06:09.579 --> 00:06:12.899that. So just to meet herwhere she's at. You're saying. I'm8600:06:12.939 --> 00:06:15.180not connecting with you to judge you, I just want to help you.8700:06:15.540 --> 00:06:19.610Right, and you're dealing with thatguilt that she feels and rather than trying8800:06:19.649 --> 00:06:24.850to magnify that, obviously the HolySpirit needs to minister to that. The8900:06:24.970 --> 00:06:28.610Holy Spirit is not against guilt.As a matter of fact, the Holy9000:06:28.649 --> 00:06:33.600Spirit uses guilt to bring people toa place of ultimately to salvation. Right.9100:06:33.720 --> 00:06:38.600You exactly don't come to the Lordfor Salvation until you understand that you're9200:06:38.600 --> 00:06:42.279guilty before God for sin. Right. But you're not going to say all9300:06:42.360 --> 00:06:46.079that stuff just initially. Right,you work through this, and that's basically9400:06:46.160 --> 00:06:48.269what you're doing here. You're workingthrough that guilt and trying to show her9500:06:49.430 --> 00:06:53.670why that guilt is even there.Right, and and told her don't beat9600:06:53.670 --> 00:06:57.470yourself up. You overcame that temptation. You were tempted to Sind we all9700:06:57.509 --> 00:07:00.620are tempted to sin, but youovercame at don't beat yourself up. Satan9800:07:01.100 --> 00:07:04.500is the one that does that.Yeah, not, not God. So9900:07:04.899 --> 00:07:09.339just trying to first of all comforther. Yeah, it was the first10000:07:09.420 --> 00:07:15.379part of the the session. Yeah, with with her. And then when10100:07:15.420 --> 00:07:19.370I said that, it kind ofopened trust, maybe, yeah, in10200:07:19.529 --> 00:07:25.810her towards me and she shared theproblem, really the crux of the problem.10300:07:26.250 --> 00:07:30.240She said, I know, butI'm already having a hard time with10400:07:30.480 --> 00:07:34.120the many children that I have.And just to preserve privacy, I won't10500:07:34.199 --> 00:07:36.680name the number, but it wasa lot. Just she has a lot10600:07:36.800 --> 00:07:42.600of children. So here's the problemidentified now and which is really the first10700:07:42.600 --> 00:07:46.829step towards any ability to help someone. You understand what the problem was.10800:07:46.870 --> 00:07:48.589So the problems. She's overwhelmed,she's got a lot of kids. She10900:07:48.910 --> 00:07:56.470already was struggling to provide for thechildren that she had. So so the11000:07:56.550 --> 00:08:01.019first thing in the discussion. Thenit went into something I don't often do,11100:08:01.819 --> 00:08:03.579but knowing the number of children,knowing that she was ready to kill11200:08:03.620 --> 00:08:09.180that child and knowing that she's feelingtotally overwhelmed, I did say they're there11300:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.329are resources, but if you chooseto parent this child, we will help11400:08:13.370 --> 00:08:16.449you. Yeah, and we haveso many resources that can help you.11500:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.610But if you choose that parenting isnot possible for you, we will walk11600:08:22.689 --> 00:08:28.279you through adoption. Yeah, placingyour child for adoption. And she didn't11700:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.120reject that idea. So I knewthat that was kind of in the back11800:08:31.200 --> 00:08:35.240of in the back of her mind. Yeah, at least a consideration for11900:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.360her. Right, right, andI reminded her that she had time.12000:08:37.600 --> 00:08:41.549Yeah, you have you have time. She was not. She was early12100:08:41.629 --> 00:08:43.990on in the pregnancy. You havetime before you have to make this decision.12200:08:45.909 --> 00:08:50.549So the the next step for me. I know she's shaky. I12300:08:50.710 --> 00:08:54.779know I was probably not going togo for adoption, and most women don't.12400:08:54.820 --> 00:08:58.779Yeah, that we interact with,which we've talked about before on past12500:08:58.860 --> 00:09:05.740podcast. So I knew that reallyfor her, abortion is still on the12600:09:05.860 --> 00:09:09.929table. And as soon as possible, try to introduce the idea of God.12700:09:11.049 --> 00:09:15.730Yeah, I've mentioned resources. Shedidn't start jumping up and down with12800:09:15.809 --> 00:09:18.409joy. Say No, then mymind is made up. Right. So12900:09:18.570 --> 00:09:26.960then you segue into the discussion ofGod and one of the we knew,13000:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.840by the way, just as toshed some light on what I was working13100:09:31.919 --> 00:09:35.080with. I knew from the afternoonteam that she claimed to be a Christian.13200:09:35.120 --> 00:09:39.029Yeah, that's important. Yeah,she claimed to believe in God.13300:09:39.269 --> 00:09:45.110She even claimed that Jesus was herLord. I knew that. So I13400:09:45.230 --> 00:09:48.429knew that that was where I neededto speak with her. Yeah, and13500:09:48.590 --> 00:09:54.220in that whole idea of Lordship.So one of the I right away.13600:09:54.340 --> 00:09:58.019Then this gives me the ability tostart sharing scripture. She's the one that13700:09:58.139 --> 00:10:03.940first brought up prayer and and soI said, well, if, if13800:10:03.019 --> 00:10:07.289you know God and if you claimJesus is Lord, you know Jesus himself13900:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.370says, if you love me,you will do what I say. I14000:10:11.529 --> 00:10:15.769think you love him, and hisword is clear. He says the shedding14100:10:15.809 --> 00:10:22.480of innocent blood is one of theseven greatest abominations before God. And that14200:10:22.000 --> 00:10:28.679scripture. Well, that's that wasthat's a description of a person, proverbs.14300:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.000But that's bringing her to the truthof your claiming Jesus is Lord,14400:10:33.519 --> 00:10:39.950and yet you're here to shed thisinnocent child's blood and and we're told that14500:10:39.110 --> 00:10:43.149that is not okay. Yeah,if yes is your Lord. And so14600:10:43.629 --> 00:10:46.830some folks that that might be listening. I think, wow, you just14700:10:46.990 --> 00:10:50.179went straightforward. You didn't. Youdidn't dance around the issue. You went14800:10:50.299 --> 00:10:52.539straight for yeah, if you're claimingto be a Christian, right, you14900:10:52.580 --> 00:10:56.899can't kill your innocent child, andI guess every time you do that you15000:10:56.940 --> 00:11:01.019do risk them hanging up on you. Absolutely do you risk you know,15100:11:01.259 --> 00:11:05.850I no response there on that textthread. Yeah, that's rights, them15200:11:05.929 --> 00:11:09.330hanging up on you if you're onthe phone. You risk them driving off15300:11:09.409 --> 00:11:11.649if they in their vehicle. Right, and you know, with any of15400:11:11.649 --> 00:11:16.809these situations you have to be ledby the Holy Spirit. Probably wouldn't go15500:11:16.889 --> 00:11:20.879right there if I was talking toa woman car side in front of the15600:11:20.879 --> 00:11:24.080abortion center, but if I'm talkingto them on the phone they've left the15700:11:24.120 --> 00:11:26.360abortion center, at least have someinformation there that they claim to be a15800:11:26.399 --> 00:11:31.799Christian, also that they felt theconviction enough to leave the abortion said I15900:11:31.039 --> 00:11:35.629have the abortion that they so Iknow what I'm dealing with here. I'm16000:11:35.669 --> 00:11:39.070dealing with someone who's pretty inclined tolisten, at least to hear me out.16100:11:39.629 --> 00:11:43.909And so why beat around the Bush? Why not down straight for the16200:11:43.029 --> 00:11:46.070exactly? We don't know how muchtime we have. I knew that already.16300:11:46.340 --> 00:11:50.299She's she's with a lot of kids, that it's not naptime, the16400:11:50.299 --> 00:11:54.940kids are awake and I knew Ihad limited time and, as we always16500:11:54.980 --> 00:12:01.259do really when we're dealing with anabortion minded woman. So and if she's16600:12:01.340 --> 00:12:05.610claimed the Lord, then and andshe told our counselor she claimed Jesus as16700:12:05.690 --> 00:12:09.450Lord and they believed her. Theysaid they felt that she had an understanding,16800:12:09.570 --> 00:12:13.129a true understanding, of Jesus asLord. Yeah, so, yeah,16900:12:13.129 --> 00:12:16.799I was probably more straightforward than Iwould have been with someone who had17000:12:16.879 --> 00:12:22.200not claimed that they had a faith. Yes, saving faith. But I17100:12:22.320 --> 00:12:28.120went back to where she said she'salready having a hard time and what that17200:12:28.279 --> 00:12:33.509tells me is not only is shestruggling with the very real struggle of handling17300:12:33.549 --> 00:12:37.269a lot of children, but it'snot what she wanted in life. Yes,17400:12:37.350 --> 00:12:41.230I would maybe what she expected,yeah, of someone who's following God17500:12:41.350 --> 00:12:46.980and now he's given her another childwhich she sees is just hea being struggle17600:12:46.019 --> 00:12:52.379upon struggle. And I wanted toaddress that and said that the Bible says17700:12:52.419 --> 00:12:56.700nothing is impossible with God, butthat doesn't mean we won't have troubles.17800:12:56.940 --> 00:13:00.610Jesus himself says, in this worldyou will have troubles, but take heart,17900:13:00.809 --> 00:13:05.570I have overcome the world and asand I'm talking about that verse and18000:13:05.690 --> 00:13:11.889what it means to have struggles andtroubles and that that doesn't mean that you're18100:13:11.929 --> 00:13:16.320not walking with God at all.God himself tells us that we will have18200:13:16.759 --> 00:13:20.679yeah, absolutely. And so whatyou're bringing into the equation, which is18300:13:20.759 --> 00:13:24.480often times where we want to getto in the conversation, again, whether18400:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.070we're talking to a woman car sideat the abortion center or on the sidewalk18500:13:28.149 --> 00:13:33.070in front of the abortion center oron the phone or through text or whatever18600:13:33.190 --> 00:13:37.350means, yeah, is we wantto bring God into the equation. Yes,18700:13:37.470 --> 00:13:39.149that's right. I mean he's alreadyin the equation. Of course,18800:13:39.590 --> 00:13:43.100he's the Lord of Heaven and earth, but they're in their mind and there.18900:13:43.179 --> 00:13:46.179Yeah, they're not acknowledging that andbecause of the fear, because of19000:13:46.220 --> 00:13:50.580the selfishness and because of whatever elseis going on, they've sort of made19100:13:50.620 --> 00:13:56.090God a side issue. Yeah,and so we need to bring him to19200:13:56.169 --> 00:14:00.529the forefront of their minds and remindthem that, yes, they're accountable to19300:14:00.570 --> 00:14:03.970him, but also he's faithful.Yeah, he's faithful in these situations,19400:14:05.049 --> 00:14:07.490and you know this. Goes rightalong the lines of helping them trust in19500:14:07.529 --> 00:14:11.399the Lord, to bring God intothe equation and his character, that he's19600:14:11.559 --> 00:14:16.600faithful. Yeah, that he thoughyou'll have tribulation, he's with you in19700:14:16.639 --> 00:14:20.600the midst of that tribulation's right,and and to correct misperceptions, because it19800:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.919is some as perception that if youtrust God, your life is going to19900:14:22.960 --> 00:14:28.389be easy. He never promises right, God never says that, and I20000:14:28.669 --> 00:14:31.950do think that that is one ofthe dangers of modern Christianity. Absolutely,20100:14:31.990 --> 00:14:37.509that that is promised and if there'sstruggles or troubles we try to get rid20200:14:37.549 --> 00:14:41.500of them, as though that's notnormal. But that's just so. Yeah,20300:14:41.659 --> 00:14:45.740counter to what the Bible tells.Absolutely, you know, you've got,20400:14:46.419 --> 00:14:48.899you know, the modern like ProsperityGospel. Right, that has to20500:14:48.940 --> 00:14:52.700do with only, you know,health and wealth and has very little to20600:14:52.740 --> 00:14:56.929do with laying down your life,taking up your cross and following Jesus right20700:14:56.129 --> 00:14:58.809the whole. You know, Godloves you and has a wonderful plan for20800:14:58.889 --> 00:15:03.330your life. Gospel. Yeah,and man, tell tell Stephen that who20900:15:03.409 --> 00:15:07.720was stoned in the first century forhis is faith in Jesus. It's not21000:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.840that God doesn't have wonderful plan foryour life. He certainly does his plans21100:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.360just as not always necessarily your plan, and sometimes I think that you would21200:15:16.360 --> 00:15:20.200think that maybe that's a terrible message. I've had many people tell me what21300:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.710that's depressing. Well, maybe,except no one who has lived any length21400:15:24.750 --> 00:15:31.389of time has not experienced struggle andtrouble. They we all do, and21500:15:31.470 --> 00:15:37.779I think it's freeing for us toknow. Wait, this doesn't mean necessarily21600:15:37.460 --> 00:15:41.899that it's because I'm walking away fromGod or disobedient to God. It's just21700:15:43.379 --> 00:15:46.620what life is. There will bestruggle and trouble, but there is an21800:15:46.659 --> 00:15:52.889accompanying promise, yeah, by God, which you touched on when you said21900:15:52.289 --> 00:15:56.490Jesus is with us. He isit. We're not alone through those struggles22000:15:56.649 --> 00:16:03.490and ultimately, and I'm I talkedwith her about this, ultimately Jesus words22100:16:03.529 --> 00:16:07.039are I have overcome the world.Take Heart, I have overcome the world.22200:16:07.120 --> 00:16:11.080In other words, he wins.Yeah, he has the victory.22300:16:11.679 --> 00:16:15.399And so who do we want tohitch our wagon to? Yeah, he22400:16:15.600 --> 00:16:19.110who has overcome the world and hasthe victory, or the author of death,22500:16:19.230 --> 00:16:23.549the enemy of our soul who iswhispering her in her ear all this22600:16:23.830 --> 00:16:27.190shame and condemnation and just go doit and get rid of your troubles and22700:16:27.230 --> 00:16:32.230kill your baby. And so Iwas trying to paint the picture of that.22800:16:32.899 --> 00:16:41.220She needs to turn to God,who has overcome the world, and22900:16:41.460 --> 00:16:47.059and talked with her about the promisesthat God does make. Abundant joy,23000:16:47.100 --> 00:16:52.049abundant life, peace, eternal life. Yeah, so those are those are23100:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.809worth pursuing. And at that pointthere was an interesting again, I thought23200:16:57.809 --> 00:17:07.480it was a turning point. Shemade a very insightful comment about herself and23300:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.359I thought it should great self perceptionand self awareness, and also she's opening23400:17:11.440 --> 00:17:15.480up to me, which is alwaysa good sign. Anybody who will listen23500:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.349to that. When you just kindof lay it out real playing and say23600:17:18.869 --> 00:17:22.990this is an abomination before God,right, and will continue on in the23700:17:22.029 --> 00:17:26.549conversation, least you know you've gottheir attention and you hadn't lost them there,23800:17:26.789 --> 00:17:30.900right, you know, right andthat. Of course, that doesn't23900:17:30.900 --> 00:17:33.579work with everyone and you do relyon the Holy Spirit, but I had24000:17:33.740 --> 00:17:40.460a counseling session right after this,just the next day, where the woman24100:17:40.619 --> 00:17:45.089said that the reason that she wantedto listen to me was because you don't24200:17:45.089 --> 00:17:48.609sugarcoat it. That's what she said. You don't sugarcoat it. So I24300:17:48.769 --> 00:17:52.450think sometimes we are mistaken that.Well, people want to hear is everything24400:17:53.210 --> 00:17:56.809phrased in gentle you know. Imean we want to be gentle, but24500:17:56.970 --> 00:18:02.039we don't want to make it soundbetter than it really is, because they24600:18:02.119 --> 00:18:06.279know it's not better than it reallyis, of course. So, anyway,24700:18:06.400 --> 00:18:10.480she said, I've realized I don'treally love myself. I don't respect24800:18:10.599 --> 00:18:15.309myself either, so it is hardto trust God when I don't know if24900:18:15.349 --> 00:18:22.950I can trust myself. Yeah,she can't trust God because she can't trust25000:18:22.069 --> 00:18:27.019herself, whereas I flip that aroundright away, right, of course,25100:18:27.180 --> 00:18:32.420you know, and told her you'reright, you can't trust yourself. None25200:18:32.460 --> 00:18:37.660of us really can trust ourselves,but we can trust God. He is25300:18:37.819 --> 00:18:40.940trustworthy. Yeah, we're not.Yeah, you know a lot of that.25400:18:41.180 --> 00:18:44.369was talking someone about this the otherday, actually, one of our25500:18:44.369 --> 00:18:48.089new volunteers, and about one ofthe issues that many of the not just25600:18:48.210 --> 00:18:51.809the women that we encounter and menthat we encounter the abortion center, but25700:18:51.930 --> 00:18:57.279just in general in society, isthat society has an identity crisis. You've25800:18:57.319 --> 00:19:03.440got an identity crisis. Yeah,and that identity crisis is rooted in we25900:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.960don't know who god is. Wedon't know who we are because we don't26000:19:06.960 --> 00:19:11.349know who god is, and aworld that's rejected God is in a isis26100:19:11.430 --> 00:19:15.269of crisis right there's no solid foundation. To the point, you know,26200:19:15.430 --> 00:19:19.029even the fabric that God has establishedin society of the family, has fallen26300:19:19.069 --> 00:19:22.670apart. A lot of people havean identity crisis. They don't know they're26400:19:22.710 --> 00:19:26.420worth and their value because their fatherwasn't in the picture. And a lot26500:19:26.460 --> 00:19:30.819of children, the way God hasdesigned it, find, I want to26600:19:30.819 --> 00:19:33.420say, their value, but atleast they're worth in their purpose from their26700:19:33.460 --> 00:19:38.450fathers. And their father's not there, then they don't know they're they're worth26800:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.130in their value and in the sametoken, if they rejected God, as26900:19:42.210 --> 00:19:47.289of course the heavenly father, havea hard time seeing their worth and their27000:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.410value there. So it's just thiswhole big picture of things fallen apart and27100:19:51.450 --> 00:19:53.720the way they got is on it. That is exactly what I found as27200:19:53.920 --> 00:19:59.839as the discussion went on. Butasking questions, we've said that many times,27300:19:59.880 --> 00:20:03.519is really a good counseling technique andI did ask a lot of questions27400:20:03.559 --> 00:20:10.349and one of them was why doyou not love yourself? And she said27500:20:10.390 --> 00:20:14.230she would not allow the things sheallowed, she wouldn't allow people to hurt27600:20:14.230 --> 00:20:18.549her and she wouldn't beat herself upover things that she could not change.27700:20:21.109 --> 00:20:29.740But she was not really recognizing thatmaybe she didn't love herself because she was27800:20:30.019 --> 00:20:34.380doing things that she didn't want tobe doing. Yeah, that I mean,27900:20:36.049 --> 00:20:37.769she wanted to be doing them,but they were in rebellion. Right.28000:20:37.809 --> 00:20:41.890Yeah, that's that. That fightin the heart, right, the28100:20:41.970 --> 00:20:45.569battle between the flesh and the inthe spirit. Right, and she's dealing28200:20:45.609 --> 00:20:48.890with and given, more over,into the flesh. It Causes Destruction,28300:20:48.970 --> 00:20:52.599it calls US depression, it causesall these things that come in the hearts,28400:20:52.680 --> 00:20:56.200in the minds of people that givethemselves to sin. Right. And28500:20:56.240 --> 00:20:59.359when I asked her, that's that. When when she least loved herself,28600:20:59.640 --> 00:21:03.430it was in the times when shedisobeyed God. Yes, she walked away28700:21:03.470 --> 00:21:07.150from God. She you know,it's interesting that here we are having a28800:21:07.190 --> 00:21:10.950discussion where she's still abortion mind it. There's no doubt she's just still thinking28900:21:10.990 --> 00:21:14.269about abortion, and she's saying,I don't love myself. Well, no,29000:21:14.430 --> 00:21:18.230kidding, you're about to go doone of the worst things you could29100:21:18.230 --> 00:21:22.859do before God, and as awoman, and certainly to that that innocent29200:21:22.019 --> 00:21:30.539baby. It's hard to love yourselfwhen you're engaged in just such direct rebellion29300:21:30.940 --> 00:21:37.730against right from wrong. Yeah,violating your conscience exactly. So I said29400:21:37.809 --> 00:21:41.569that. I said when when youobey God, how do you feel?29500:21:42.289 --> 00:21:48.599And she felt better about herself.Yeah, and and I asked her those29600:21:48.720 --> 00:21:53.599times when you have obeyed God areThe Times? It was that when your29700:21:53.759 --> 00:21:59.200faith was strong or weak, andthey were times when her faith was stronger.29800:21:59.240 --> 00:22:04.869Yeah, and and then I saidI believe that we love ourselves most29900:22:06.589 --> 00:22:08.549when we are in the will ofGod. Odd and again. I felt30000:22:08.589 --> 00:22:12.269that that was a turning point.Yeah, because she, I don't think,30100:22:12.390 --> 00:22:18.660had considered that at all. Ithink she was saying she was kind30200:22:18.660 --> 00:22:23.180of blaming the world around her.Think she had no control over how people30300:22:23.339 --> 00:22:29.460treat her, how she responds tohow they treat her and how angry she30400:22:29.660 --> 00:22:32.250is about things. She can't change. None of those things she could really30500:22:32.329 --> 00:22:37.329have any effect on, but shecould affect whether she obeyed God or not.30600:22:37.569 --> 00:22:41.529Yeah, are either. Scripture herethat came to mine, John,30700:22:41.609 --> 00:22:45.759Chapter Four. This is Jesus,he just got done minister into the woman30800:22:45.839 --> 00:22:48.720at the will and powerful. Youknow, you guys know this story.30900:22:48.759 --> 00:22:52.720I'm sure she goes off to hervillage to testify about who Jesus was.31000:22:53.319 --> 00:23:00.750Well, Jesus Disciples show up andand it says they urged him to eat.31100:23:00.829 --> 00:23:03.390This is in chapter four, versethirty. One. His disciples urged31200:23:03.430 --> 00:23:07.789him to eat, saying REBBA,eat, and he said to them,31300:23:07.829 --> 00:23:11.390I have food to eat, ofwhich you do not know. And then31400:23:11.549 --> 00:23:15.019one of it's a I give himfood, and he goes on to say31500:23:15.460 --> 00:23:18.339my food is to do the willof him who sent me and to finish31600:23:18.420 --> 00:23:23.740his work. So his nutrients camefrom obeying God. Right, and maybe31700:23:23.779 --> 00:23:27.170it's maybe it's not the greatest comparisonhere, but I think it is if31800:23:27.170 --> 00:23:33.089you think about it in your humanrelationships. As a child, did you31900:23:33.210 --> 00:23:37.609not feel like really good when youwhen you cleaned your room without asking?32000:23:37.809 --> 00:23:40.289Yeah, without your parents asking.You know what I'm saying. You felt32100:23:40.289 --> 00:23:41.920good about yourself, like I didthe right thing finally, and I feel32200:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.640good about myself. That loves youexactly, and you show your love by32300:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.680your obedience to them, and itdoes feel good feels good. Yeah,32400:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.200in the same way. You know, as a Christian, I'm sure some32500:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.109of you guys you know brand newas Christians. You haven't shared your faith32600:23:57.150 --> 00:24:02.269a lot, and then you finallystep out and you give a track to32700:24:02.390 --> 00:24:06.549somebody at the grocery store or youshare the Gospel with somebody you've been praying32800:24:06.589 --> 00:24:08.910for a long time and you know, it's like in your mind before you32900:24:10.059 --> 00:24:11.940did it's like, I can't dothat, it would feel terrible if I33000:24:12.059 --> 00:24:15.180did it. I just feel Ifeel, I don't know, embarrassed or33100:24:15.220 --> 00:24:18.259whatever these bad feelings come but whenyou actually do it, then you start33200:24:18.259 --> 00:24:23.059to feel huh, you almost feellike the satisfaction of your heavenly father.33300:24:23.650 --> 00:24:26.089That's kind of what Jesus is talkingabout. That's kind of what this young33400:24:26.130 --> 00:24:30.809lady's dealing with. She's doing thingsthat disobey God right, but she feels33500:24:30.849 --> 00:24:34.170good when she finally does obey theLord. It's like that satisfaction that you've33600:24:34.250 --> 00:24:37.769done what is right in the sideof your head, my father, and33700:24:37.849 --> 00:24:40.759I'm glad you said that because actuallyI think that was an important part of33800:24:40.799 --> 00:24:45.799the conversation that I did skip overabout where I was talking about you did33900:24:45.880 --> 00:24:51.480obey God today. You obeyed Godwhen you walked out of that abortion center.34000:24:51.720 --> 00:24:53.950You'd nothing was solved. Yet.Yeah, nothing had changed in your34100:24:53.990 --> 00:24:57.190situation. Nothing. It still hasn'tchanged. We're telling you it will,34200:24:57.309 --> 00:25:00.990but it still ha has not.And yet you chose to obey God when34300:25:00.990 --> 00:25:04.789you walked out. How did thatmake you feel? And she exactly what34400:25:04.910 --> 00:25:07.940you said, Daniel. It madeher feel good. Yeah, and so34500:25:08.140 --> 00:25:14.700that's our love, I think,for ourself comes when we most mirror God.34600:25:14.980 --> 00:25:18.779Yeah, when we most reflect ourheavenly father, because that's what we're34700:25:18.779 --> 00:25:22.130made for. Yeah, our purposeis to glorify God. So when we34800:25:22.210 --> 00:25:29.809are glorifying God in our actions iswhen we most love ourselves, because we34900:25:30.009 --> 00:25:33.329know we are doing what we weremade to do. And every act of35000:25:33.450 --> 00:25:38.119disobedience, I think, is anact that takes us further from true and35100:25:38.440 --> 00:25:47.079and what is honest and healthy selflove. Yeah, absolutely. So she35200:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.029said that she's struggling, she's trying, she's trying, and and then I35300:25:52.150 --> 00:25:56.190address that, because we hear thatall the time too. I'm trying,35400:25:56.349 --> 00:26:00.750I'm trying, I'm trying so hard, but I keep failing, and I35500:26:00.910 --> 00:26:07.220think sometimes we do try too hardon our own power. Yeah, and35600:26:07.460 --> 00:26:11.619not submitting enough to the power andthe strength of God. And when do35700:26:11.740 --> 00:26:15.420we feel that? When we obeyhim. Yeah, when we follow him,35800:26:15.420 --> 00:26:19.049when we pray and ask him tohelp us. He does. He35900:26:19.450 --> 00:26:23.769always answers that prayer. Yeah,he gives us just enough strength, yes,36000:26:23.890 --> 00:26:27.650absolutely, to make make it throughwhatever we need to do. And,36100:26:27.890 --> 00:26:33.279and I guess I actually said that, if the purpose in your life36200:26:33.039 --> 00:26:38.119is to glorify God, it takesthe focus off of your failures and yourself36300:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.559and puts the focus on God,which is where it needs to be.36400:26:41.599 --> 00:26:47.079Yeah, and at that point shesaid I agree. Yeah, and again36500:26:47.119 --> 00:26:52.230a validation and I think, aturning point for her that Oh, maybe36600:26:52.309 --> 00:26:55.029my focus has been too much onmy struggle, too much on me,36700:26:55.829 --> 00:27:00.349too much on what I can control, and really it needs to be on36800:27:00.589 --> 00:27:06.859God. Yeah. So from fromthat point I went into the Gospel,36900:27:07.140 --> 00:27:10.900because I think now she's been engagingwith me for quite some time at this37000:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.140point about God, but there hasn'tbeen a real sharing of the Gospel.37100:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.170I knew that our afternoon team hadto some degree shared the Gospel, so37200:27:19.210 --> 00:27:25.690I didn't feel the pressure. Youknow fully it's a pressure I put on37300:27:25.769 --> 00:27:29.170myself, but that I feel Godcalls us to share the full Gospel.37400:27:29.210 --> 00:27:30.960I knew that she at least heardsome of it. She claimed to know37500:27:32.079 --> 00:27:33.920it, but I did ask herat that point are you going to heaven37600:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.880or hell? What you think?And she she answered that she was going37700:27:37.960 --> 00:27:45.109to heaven and I asked why,and she said because because she had faith.37800:27:45.150 --> 00:27:51.190Yeah, and and she was basicallygood. Yeah, which we hear37900:27:51.230 --> 00:27:52.670a lot. Right, I'm agood person. Yeah. So I said,38000:27:52.670 --> 00:27:56.150well, if would there be enoughbad things you could do to send38100:27:56.190 --> 00:28:00.539you to hell? And she saidno, I could do a million times38200:28:00.740 --> 00:28:06.140too, I think she said,bad things, as long as I repent,38300:28:06.220 --> 00:28:10.980yeah, he will hear me,and so that's always a red flag38400:28:11.099 --> 00:28:15.049to me. That's red flag.And why is that a big concern in38500:28:15.170 --> 00:28:19.450this conversation? It's because there's thatin the back of the mind. Justification38600:28:19.690 --> 00:28:23.849for an abortion. Absolutely, andit's well, I can do a million38700:28:25.009 --> 00:28:27.880times two things and God will forgiveme as long as I repent first.38800:28:27.960 --> 00:28:33.599Almost there's a misunderstanding what repent evenmeans exact almost like repent just means saying38900:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.480you're sorry, and that's not atall what repentance, to do whatever you39000:28:37.519 --> 00:28:38.920want to do, as long asyou're sure to say I'm sorry when you're39100:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.910done. Yeah, exactly. AndYeah, of course that's a dressed in39200:28:41.950 --> 00:28:48.470the scripture several times. Many shallwe sin? That grace might have bound,39300:28:48.950 --> 00:28:52.309may it never be right. Sousing the grace of God as a39400:28:52.470 --> 00:28:56.619license for sin, right is,is not okay in the sight of God.39500:28:56.779 --> 00:29:00.420It's a trap, right, thetrap of the enemy. And that's39600:29:00.420 --> 00:29:04.180what she was tempted to do.And in one sense, in conversations like39700:29:04.299 --> 00:29:07.740this, and this is where youguys need to be cued in, is39800:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.410that sometimes, and you're when you'rein a conversation like this with an abortion39900:29:11.490 --> 00:29:15.369minded mom, whether it again,it be by text or over the phone40000:29:15.369 --> 00:29:18.930or right there at the abortion clinic, they're trying to grab all into justifications40100:29:19.089 --> 00:29:22.569for abortion. You got to beso careful. Yeah, you got it.40200:29:22.609 --> 00:29:26.920Is One of those big, bigareas. Yeah, area of forgiveness.40300:29:27.279 --> 00:29:32.279You have to be so careful that. That's saying, which we did40400:29:32.400 --> 00:29:36.240do a podcast about, for dampsof it as well, how to introduce40500:29:36.319 --> 00:29:40.069forgiveness right, because it's a bigthing. If you're if you're one of40600:29:40.109 --> 00:29:44.950those people that will just say yeah, God will forgive you. You need40700:29:44.990 --> 00:29:48.789to be careful for that, becausethat's not actually true. God, here's40800:29:48.829 --> 00:29:52.750the thing. God is not beholdento anyone. God does not have to40900:29:52.829 --> 00:29:56.420forgive anyone for anything, and justto broadcast this idea that God will forgive41000:29:56.460 --> 00:30:03.779you is incorrect. It's not biblicaland it gives a justification for a sin41100:30:03.900 --> 00:30:06.859and especially when we're dealing with themurder of a child, we need to41200:30:06.940 --> 00:30:10.490be careful. So just here hearwhat I'm saying and not what I'm not41300:30:10.569 --> 00:30:17.089saying. I am saying God isnot required to forgive that person, but41400:30:17.250 --> 00:30:21.640God can and God will if theytruly repent. So that needs to be41500:30:21.799 --> 00:30:23.839that's the caveat here. So justto broadcast this idea that, yes,41600:30:25.039 --> 00:30:26.720you have this abortion, yes,God will forgive you, because you will41700:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.839have those conversations a lot of times. We have one not too long ago41800:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.519with a young lady yelling back atthis won't God forgive me, and it's41900:30:34.559 --> 00:30:40.670like well, you want to respondwith yes, he will, but I42000:30:40.869 --> 00:30:45.150sometimes will respond with no, hewon't forgive you unless you get yeah,42100:30:45.230 --> 00:30:48.069not with that attitude, unless yourepent, and you're not in a position42200:30:48.750 --> 00:30:52.900to repent, you're hardening your heart, you're about to go walk in and42300:30:52.980 --> 00:30:56.019do that. And that was exactlywhat was going on. I feel very42400:30:56.180 --> 00:31:02.859confident that that's much she is USfishing for a way out. And so42500:31:03.299 --> 00:31:07.450I said, I agree with you. With a CAFFIAT. I think I42600:31:07.529 --> 00:31:11.529use that word with with with witha caveat. I said, what do42700:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.730you think of Hebrews ten twenty six? And I said, let me find42800:31:15.769 --> 00:31:21.920it and paste it here for you, for if we go on sinning deliberately42900:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.559after receiving the knowledge of the truth, they're no longer remains a sacrifice for43000:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.440sins, but a fearful expectation ofjudgment and a fury of fire that will43100:31:32.480 --> 00:31:36.430consume the adversaries. So that's Romansten, twenty six and twenty seven.43200:31:37.349 --> 00:31:44.109And and then I I kept talking. She was was not texting during that43300:31:44.190 --> 00:31:47.740point. I'm assuming she's letting thatverse sink in and I often will pause43400:31:47.779 --> 00:31:51.819after reading that verse. I usethis verse a lot. Yeah, and43500:31:52.299 --> 00:31:53.900and I the other verse I usea lot is, if you love me,43600:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.460you will obey me. And whydo you call me Lord Lord and43700:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.900not do what I say? Yeah, they all are kind of saying the43800:31:59.980 --> 00:32:05.849same thing. But so let thatsink in. And then I said if43900:32:05.930 --> 00:32:08.849we know what is right and stillcontinue to do wrong, this versus a44000:32:09.009 --> 00:32:14.730dire warnt warning. True repentance meanswe turn from wrong. For example,44100:32:14.730 --> 00:32:16.759I think I may have given thisexample before on our podcast, but it's44200:32:16.759 --> 00:32:22.599such a good example, honestly becauseI've had so many turning points, I44300:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.480think, in conversations when I sharethis. Right, yeah, if you44400:32:25.559 --> 00:32:29.920were married and your husband and said, I think our new neighbor is hot,44500:32:30.230 --> 00:32:31.470I'm going to go have sex withher, but I will be right44600:32:31.630 --> 00:32:37.390back because I know you will forgiveme. Would that be all right with44700:32:37.549 --> 00:32:40.670you? And she said of coursenot, of course not. Yeah,44800:32:40.789 --> 00:32:45.180and I said, I know right, but that's what we do to God.44900:32:45.579 --> 00:32:47.539We say I know it is wrong, but I know you will forgive45000:32:47.579 --> 00:32:51.819me, so I will do itanyway. Yeah, and she sent back45100:32:51.859 --> 00:32:55.740a frownie face. Yeah, soyou've taken a biblical truth and you've made45200:32:55.740 --> 00:33:00.769it personal for her. That's justlike what Nathan the Prophet did with David45300:33:00.849 --> 00:33:06.049and his sin with best she buthe gives this example of this man taking45400:33:06.089 --> 00:33:09.289this this other man's lamb for himselfthe only lamb this poor man, and45500:33:09.410 --> 00:33:13.720David's, of course, outrage,like this guy needs to be brought to45600:33:13.839 --> 00:33:17.519justice. Well, you're that manthat came so bringing. Basically, you're45700:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.599putting God in the position of hejust is going to forgive you. What45800:33:22.720 --> 00:33:24.599if you're in that position when yourhusband does this, you're just going to45900:33:24.680 --> 00:33:28.309forgive him? Right, just,okay, he tells you ahead of time,46000:33:28.309 --> 00:33:30.029I'm going to go ahead of thisabortion and know her time. Yeah,46100:33:30.029 --> 00:33:34.430because I know you are forgiving Godand and of course, that that46200:33:34.589 --> 00:33:39.470doesn't fly right. And and thenI then I said that this verse,46300:33:39.589 --> 00:33:45.259if you can be a great encouragement, though, if you couple it with46400:33:45.500 --> 00:33:52.180the truth of Romans ten nine,I think it's Romans ten. Yeah,46500:33:52.180 --> 00:33:54.579Romans ten nine to ten, whichone of my favorite verses, and that's46600:33:54.730 --> 00:34:00.289the the crux of my my gospel, sharing his Romans ten nine. If46700:34:00.690 --> 00:34:05.289we confess with our mouth that Jesusis Lord and believe in our heart that46800:34:05.410 --> 00:34:07.329God raised him from the dead,then we will be saved. So I46900:34:07.489 --> 00:34:10.639recited that. I texted that toher and and she said, I'm familiar47000:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.119with that verse, which makes iteven better. Great, yeah, and47100:34:15.840 --> 00:34:19.920and I said so the in myestimation, the most important phrase in that47200:34:20.079 --> 00:34:27.750verse is Jesus is Lord. Andwhat does that mean? And if if47300:34:27.909 --> 00:34:31.590he is Lord, then whatever isLord of your life is what controls you.47400:34:31.949 --> 00:34:36.750That's what you'll do, that's whatyou'll obey, you'll follow whoever is47500:34:36.829 --> 00:34:40.059lord of your life. And shesaid yes, and then I said so47600:34:40.219 --> 00:34:44.820a lot of people claim Jesus isLord, but then they disobey him.47700:34:45.059 --> 00:34:47.539They live lives of sexual sin,which I know she's been in. I'd47800:34:47.579 --> 00:34:53.329said that purposefully because I wanted topoint that out, lying, cussing,47900:34:53.449 --> 00:34:57.730taking his name in vain, etc. And they say they love him.48000:34:58.130 --> 00:35:04.010Do they really love him if he'sLord and they're not living like he is48100:35:04.289 --> 00:35:07.519Lord? Is He? And sheagreed. Now, yeah, and then48200:35:07.639 --> 00:35:15.840after that discussion I said, letme go all the way back to the48300:35:15.880 --> 00:35:20.719beginning. At the very beginning Ihad asked her which she accept a mentor48400:35:21.469 --> 00:35:25.230which would help her through our organizationof Sister Organization and Sister Ministry Love Life48500:35:25.230 --> 00:35:30.110Charlotte, and which she agree tohave an ultrasound to see her baby,48600:35:30.150 --> 00:35:32.829because I knew she didn't want tosee her baby right yeah, because she's48700:35:32.909 --> 00:35:37.420still not doesn't know what she's goingto do with this baby. So,48800:35:37.739 --> 00:35:44.619after this whole discussion, and andand also the reminder our faith is not48900:35:44.900 --> 00:35:49.739tested by when times are good orchoices are easy. Our faith, our49000:35:49.860 --> 00:35:52.050proof that Jesus is Lord of ourlives, is really in the hard times.49100:35:52.329 --> 00:35:58.090Yeah, the the hard choices,the choices that seem impossible. When49200:35:58.130 --> 00:36:01.889we follow him, then that's howwe grow in spiritual strength, and when49300:36:01.889 --> 00:36:07.400we lose ourself in him, that'swhen we truly find ourself and ultimately find49400:36:07.960 --> 00:36:12.519true self love. Yeah, andso and self worth. Then I said,49500:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.360so, will you go for anultrasound to see your baby Friday?49600:36:15.639 --> 00:36:22.630And she said yes, yeah,so there was this this whole evolution from,49700:36:22.750 --> 00:36:27.710you know, being a very shakysaved saying yes, and she did.49800:36:28.070 --> 00:36:32.179She did sign up for the mentorso she was brought ultimately to the49900:36:32.579 --> 00:36:38.539only really hope that there was,no matter what situation she faces, which50000:36:38.659 --> 00:36:44.579is God. Yeah, yeah,and trusting and obeying, if she's claiming50100:36:44.659 --> 00:36:49.570him as Lord. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and again, bringing the50200:36:49.690 --> 00:36:53.170Lord into the equation, bringing histruth to bear in her heart and her50300:36:53.250 --> 00:36:59.849mind. Don't, don't, ever, let guys who are listening anyone fool50400:36:59.929 --> 00:37:05.880you into believing that God needs tobe a side issue in these conversations with50500:37:06.079 --> 00:37:09.760women who are abortion minded. That'sgarbage. It's got to be centric.50600:37:09.800 --> 00:37:14.840He's got to be central to theconversation. I'm telling you, he's central50700:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.949to the conversation these women are havingin their mind and in their hearts.50800:37:19.349 --> 00:37:22.349I can tell you that even womenwho might even claim to be atheists,50900:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.869they are thinking because God has puthis word or his law in their hearts.51000:37:30.539 --> 00:37:34.500They are thinking about the Lord.Yeah, maybe, maybe, not51100:37:34.579 --> 00:37:37.179in the same terms that you andI are, of course, but God51200:37:37.300 --> 00:37:42.099is in the equation. So bringinghim to the forefront of their minds,51300:37:42.219 --> 00:37:45.250bringing his word. And again,the Holy Spirit has to lead you.51400:37:45.690 --> 00:37:50.730And there can be sometimes where youdeal with these situations with kitty gloves because51500:37:50.730 --> 00:37:53.849again, you're dealing with life anddeath, but there are situations which you51600:37:53.929 --> 00:37:58.599just need to be forthright and justlay it out. Let the Lord do51700:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.559his work. Bring his word.His word doesn't return void. His word51800:38:01.960 --> 00:38:07.400is what the Holy Spirit uses primarilyto change that heart. Yeah, and51900:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.360just in this flow of conversation thatwe get shared with you, this mom's52000:38:10.400 --> 00:38:16.949heart was solidified for life and she'sgetting connected with Bible Preaching, Church and52100:38:17.070 --> 00:38:21.630a mentor that's going to walk alongsideher and all that. So we did52200:38:21.710 --> 00:38:23.070want to share this with you,guys, to encourage you, to just52300:38:23.230 --> 00:38:25.989kind of give you an idea ofthe flow of one of the conversations,52400:38:27.139 --> 00:38:31.219and this, again, is oneof among many of conversations. Had the52500:38:31.260 --> 00:38:36.659situation been different, the conversation mayhave went different in some aspects. Were52600:38:36.739 --> 00:38:39.380for those part bringing God's truth tobear. is going to be in those52700:38:39.460 --> 00:38:45.409conversations, talking about Jesus being Lord, going right for the issues that are52800:38:45.449 --> 00:38:49.849going on in their lives and thentheir hearts, which is ultimately this connection52900:38:49.889 --> 00:38:52.170from the Lord. Yeah, isis a key and they know they know53000:38:52.369 --> 00:38:54.760it. That's the thing is theyknow it. And when we try to53100:38:55.199 --> 00:39:02.360walk to gingerly around the topics ofsin, repentance and what it truly means53200:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.559to to follow God and if Jesusis Lord, when we tiptoe around that,53300:39:07.280 --> 00:39:12.550sometimes they I think they that's whatthey really want. Yeah, because53400:39:12.590 --> 00:39:15.670they know truth. We all knowtruth deep down inside because, like you53500:39:15.710 --> 00:39:19.630said, God writes it on ourhearts. We know it and we know53600:39:19.789 --> 00:39:23.579when we've transgressed his laws. Yeah, and we want to find our way53700:39:23.619 --> 00:39:29.619back and they, most of thewomen we interact with, have plenty of53800:39:29.739 --> 00:39:32.340people that are helping them justify,oh, yeah, wrong, that they're53900:39:32.380 --> 00:39:37.139about to do and that's not whatthey need and it's really not even what54000:39:37.219 --> 00:39:38.650they really want to hear, right. I think what they really want to54100:39:38.730 --> 00:39:44.929hear is God's voice. Yeah,yeah, yeah. Well, guys,54200:39:44.969 --> 00:39:49.329we appreciate you guys joining in onthis podcast and we would appreciate if you54300:39:49.369 --> 00:39:53.000guys would share this podcast and theother podcast that we put out and also54400:39:53.239 --> 00:39:58.960go to our sidewalks for life website, sidewalks the number four lifecom. We've54500:39:59.000 --> 00:40:04.239gotten some good feedback from folks thatare accessing that website and just blessed by54600:40:04.280 --> 00:40:07.349the training stuff that's there and thearticles that are written there. We just54700:40:07.389 --> 00:40:10.349hope that you guys will share thatreach out with us. 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