Feb. 11, 2021

Talking to People Who Are Not Abortion Minded

Talking to People Who Are Not Abortion Minded

Not everyone who shows up at an abortion center is coming for an abortion. There are various reasons why they are there and in this episode we talk about those reasons and give you some guidance in how to deal with these situations. ...


Not everyone who shows up at an abortion center is coming for an abortion. There are various reasons why they are there and in this episode we talk about those reasons and give you some guidance in how to deal with these situations.

https://sidewalks4life.com/ministering-to-vulnerable-people-not-abortion-minded/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord, 2 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.189 I am you. Welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, and 3 00:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.230 this episode we're going to talk about how to Minister to people coming to an 4 00:00:13.230 --> 00:00:18.190 abortion center that are not necessarily abortion minded. We know this episode will encourage 5 00:00:18.190 --> 00:00:27.620 and equip you, so stay tuned. Lord, I felt show passish touch 6 00:00:28.059 --> 00:00:38.210 your heart. Use Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate 7 00:00:38.250 --> 00:00:42.289 you guys listening and, as always, encourage you guys to share this podcast. 8 00:00:42.289 --> 00:00:46.609 It's mainly focused on equipping people and encouraging people who are out on the 9 00:00:46.609 --> 00:00:50.200 sidewalk, but we cover other subjects that don't necessarily have to do with sidewalk 10 00:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.600 counseling ministry. So I think it'd be a blessing to a lot of people, 11 00:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.679 but in particular people that are reaching out on the sidewalks of their local 12 00:00:57.719 --> 00:01:02.039 abortion center or people that are praying about reaching out at their local abortion center. 13 00:01:02.159 --> 00:01:07.469 Want to mention that just this past Saturday will recording on a Monday of 14 00:01:07.670 --> 00:01:10.950 February, the eighth, I think so right, and you guys should hear 15 00:01:11.030 --> 00:01:14.109 this the Thursday. That's how typically works. Record on the Monday and we 16 00:01:14.189 --> 00:01:18.269 put them out on a Thursday morning just past this past Saturday, Februhere, 17 00:01:18.310 --> 00:01:22.340 the sixth, we did an online training. We call all sidewalks one hundred 18 00:01:22.379 --> 00:01:26.459 and one training, which we made available to anybody who heard about it, 19 00:01:26.579 --> 00:01:30.060 which we didn't really invite a lot of people. Wouldn't really share a lot 20 00:01:30.819 --> 00:01:34.129 with a lot of people that we were going to be doing this. We 21 00:01:34.209 --> 00:01:37.969 had a large group of people. You're doing some online training. Maybe you're 22 00:01:38.049 --> 00:01:40.609 interested in that. We were doing again what we call our one hundred and 23 00:01:40.609 --> 00:01:45.370 one training, which is just basic how to of sidewall counting. Actually we 24 00:01:45.569 --> 00:01:49.879 cover the what, why and how of sidewalk out reach ministries, sidewalk counseling, 25 00:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.879 and maybe you're interested in that. Maybe listen to these podcast has got 26 00:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.439 a new interesting going out and you want to get equipped. We do that 27 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.349 every the first Saturday of every month. We'll be doing that moving forward at 28 00:02:02.069 --> 00:02:07.510 eastern time, two to four and you'd have to fill out an application and 29 00:02:07.750 --> 00:02:10.030 US give you the thumbs up on your application for you to be able to 30 00:02:10.110 --> 00:02:14.430 be on that training and the will send you the link. But if you're 31 00:02:14.469 --> 00:02:19.099 interested in that at all, you can go to love life dot org slash 32 00:02:19.180 --> 00:02:22.860 America, and there's some ways to get involved. You could even reach out 33 00:02:22.860 --> 00:02:23.900 to me if you wanted to, Daniel Love Life Dot Org, and I 34 00:02:23.939 --> 00:02:27.340 can give you the information that you need and get you to the appropriate, 35 00:02:27.539 --> 00:02:30.409 appropriate places to sign up and all of that. But just want to let 36 00:02:30.449 --> 00:02:34.849 you guys know that's available. That's that's what we're trying our best to do 37 00:02:34.969 --> 00:02:38.729 with this podcast. Trying our best to do with Love Life America and all 38 00:02:38.770 --> 00:02:42.930 of that, is to train and equip people to be a gospel centered witness 39 00:02:43.009 --> 00:02:46.280 at their local abortion center. That's what we're trying to do and hopefully that's 40 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.199 what this podcast will try to do. It's a little different. Normally we 41 00:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.960 deal with how do you talk to an abortion minded mom at an abortion center? 42 00:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.789 That's that's our folcus. That's our main focus. Yeah, but we 43 00:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.629 do know well the trouble abortion center that you guys have heard US talk about 44 00:03:01.629 --> 00:03:07.469 a lot is what we would consider an abortion mill. They just do abortions. 45 00:03:07.669 --> 00:03:09.870 That's all they do. That's on their website, that's that's all they're 46 00:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.659 offering is abortion, and there's a lot of those freestanding abortion clinics around the 47 00:03:14.699 --> 00:03:17.099 country that all they do is abortion, but there are also a lot of 48 00:03:17.180 --> 00:03:21.780 abortion clinics that do other things, and a lot of those abortion clinics are 49 00:03:21.860 --> 00:03:27.569 planned parenthoods. Right, plan parenthoods, even though their bread and butter, 50 00:03:27.770 --> 00:03:30.370 for lack of a better term, is abortion. That's how they make their 51 00:03:30.449 --> 00:03:36.330 money. They do do other things, all for birth control. They do 52 00:03:36.490 --> 00:03:39.969 hormone therapy. We'll talk a little bit about that. They do std testing 53 00:03:40.090 --> 00:03:45.000 and stuff. The stuff they all for, however, though, is is 54 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.439 stuff that you can get in other places. So it's not like Plant parenthood 55 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.520 is necessary because they offer these other things. ME. You know, you 56 00:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.990 hear people saying you have Plant parenthood. They do more than just abortions. 57 00:03:55.030 --> 00:03:59.110 A matter of fact, I think they say statistically, only three percent of 58 00:03:59.189 --> 00:04:02.750 what they do is abortion. Right. So that makes them like mostly good, 59 00:04:03.150 --> 00:04:06.069 right. Height but my response to that, as always, well, 60 00:04:06.270 --> 00:04:10.740 let me cook you a pan of brownies with made with the best chocolate and 61 00:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.340 just put three percent dog poop there. Would you still eat the brownies? 62 00:04:14.659 --> 00:04:16.819 Would you still encourage your friends eat the brown yeah, probably not, right, 63 00:04:17.019 --> 00:04:19.779 like to say. And Hitler was a great guy, except for that 64 00:04:19.980 --> 00:04:24.329 thing about the Jews. Yeah, just, yeah, you know, he 65 00:04:24.529 --> 00:04:27.170 was he was mostly just trying to do the best things for his country and 66 00:04:27.209 --> 00:04:30.329 only three percent of what he did was killed Jews and gas chambers. Right. 67 00:04:30.370 --> 00:04:32.970 Yeah, it's ridiculous and put a whole lot of time. Yeah, 68 00:04:33.529 --> 00:04:39.439 that. Yeah, or like maybe, are mostly peaceful protests that we've had 69 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.800 around the country, right, burn and loot and riot. Yeah, they're 70 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.160 mostly peaceful. Only three percent of it Zim bashing storefronts in with bricks and 71 00:04:47.240 --> 00:04:55.269 things like that. The the bad far overcomes the the whatever a parent good 72 00:04:55.389 --> 00:04:59.430 that might be. When it's that bad, for sure, absolutely. Yeah. 73 00:04:59.790 --> 00:05:05.269 So not to rabbit trill on that. Let's jump in to what we're 74 00:05:05.269 --> 00:05:11.060 talking about again. We're talking about you're at a plant parenthood, at an 75 00:05:11.100 --> 00:05:15.220 abortion center. You want to reach the moms going in that are having abortions, 76 00:05:15.300 --> 00:05:18.019 right, but there's other people. If people coming in. There's a 77 00:05:18.500 --> 00:05:23.610 lady walking in says I'm here for birth control, yeah, or there's a 78 00:05:23.649 --> 00:05:28.810 person walking in saying I'm here for STD testing, I'm here for an ultrasound 79 00:05:28.810 --> 00:05:30.689 because they do it cheaper here than anywhere else. Yeah, how do you 80 00:05:30.810 --> 00:05:34.250 respond to that? So we're going to touch a couple of those subjects and 81 00:05:34.410 --> 00:05:40.920 just talk or talk about how we respond in the best ways to minister to 82 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.199 people in that capacity. Yeah, right, so so, yeah, yeah, 83 00:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.360 the main groups, and we know this because we're ministring at a plant 84 00:05:47.399 --> 00:05:53.870 parenthood now with there are four abortion centers in our city and we are at 85 00:05:53.870 --> 00:05:56.790 all of them in one of those is a plan parenthood. Yeah, and 86 00:05:57.230 --> 00:06:00.629 so there are lots of different groups going in and so the main groups. 87 00:06:00.670 --> 00:06:05.420 We tried to kind of just break it down so that as we talk about 88 00:06:05.420 --> 00:06:08.779 it, you can think about, okay, these are the main groups. 89 00:06:08.860 --> 00:06:13.300 How can we reach them, or at least be somewhat knowledgeable, yeah, 90 00:06:13.339 --> 00:06:17.300 about each of those groups so that we can speak to them. And all 91 00:06:17.379 --> 00:06:21.889 of these groups need the Lord. And most of these groups are people that 92 00:06:21.930 --> 00:06:26.889 are going to be abortion vulnerable. Yeah, if they are not, they're 93 00:06:26.889 --> 00:06:31.769 already abortion vulnerable. So if we can speak, not knowledgeably, to them, 94 00:06:31.810 --> 00:06:35.839 we might be able to stop abortion before exever. You know, been 95 00:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.279 con one of the things that Plant parenthood does is they try to get in 96 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.279 communities and they offer things, you know, like sex education, right, 97 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.870 which, yeah, ridiculous, getting sex education from an abortion providers ridiculous. 98 00:06:49.910 --> 00:06:55.350 Yeah, but they try to sow their seeds into the community so that when 99 00:06:55.350 --> 00:06:59.269 a woman does get in a quote, unwanted pregnancy situation, where does she 100 00:06:59.350 --> 00:07:01.740 go? She goes to plan parenthood, exactly. So we always, in 101 00:07:01.939 --> 00:07:05.579 any of these situations, wanted to deter people from going into Plant parenthood. 102 00:07:05.660 --> 00:07:10.819 Right. They're trying to build relationships with people and one of the things we've 103 00:07:10.819 --> 00:07:14.819 discovered locally, just to mention this, because there's this idea that plan parenthood 104 00:07:14.860 --> 00:07:17.649 is needed because they offer free stuff. Right. We had a lady call 105 00:07:18.089 --> 00:07:21.050 not too long ago the plan parent who here locally, and this has happened 106 00:07:21.050 --> 00:07:25.490 nationally. People have called Plant parenthood and figured out, okay, what do 107 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.370 they offer that's actually free? And almost nothing is free. They're not given 108 00:07:29.449 --> 00:07:33.319 free ultrasounds, right. They're not given free pregnancy testing. Yeah, they're 109 00:07:33.360 --> 00:07:40.040 not doing free birth control or free STD testing. None of this stuff is 110 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.639 free, right. Yeah, and so we do wanted to deter people from 111 00:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.310 going in there who come with these different things. They are not necessarily coming 112 00:07:46.350 --> 00:07:49.230 for an abortion, right. Yes. So we we talked about each of 113 00:07:49.269 --> 00:07:53.670 these areas and just to kind of organize it for you, the the main 114 00:07:53.750 --> 00:07:58.430 areas that that we see at our local plant parenthood and probably a most parenthood, 115 00:07:58.740 --> 00:08:01.740 Plant parenthood, people coming for birth control or problems with birth control. 116 00:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.620 Yeah, abortion workers. Now, they aren't coming to plant parenthood, but 117 00:08:05.740 --> 00:08:09.459 you see them there. Group that you'll see going in and out. Yeah, 118 00:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.730 the women coming for low cost pregnancy test or ultrasounds, the women coming 119 00:08:13.810 --> 00:08:18.129 for perhaps mere STD testing or other health issues, not mammograms, because they 120 00:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.410 don't do mamograms. Don't even there, which people say they do. They 121 00:08:22.490 --> 00:08:24.129 they do not do that. They do not. And then the they dis 122 00:08:24.250 --> 00:08:28.240 group. That I and and that's one that we're going to do a teeny 123 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.440 little case study on, because it really took me kind of by surprise. 124 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.000 I wasn't expecting and I didn't know how to deal with it. Were men 125 00:08:35.279 --> 00:08:41.830 coming for hormone therapy for transgender transition? Yeah, and that we kept seeing 126 00:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.549 these men going in to plan parenthood alone, coming out alone, never apparently 127 00:08:46.590 --> 00:08:50.350 meeting women, and it took us a while to figure out, oh, 128 00:08:50.149 --> 00:08:56.059 they're here for hormone therapy. Yeah, so not that we can our wheelhouse 129 00:08:56.379 --> 00:09:00.820 is the abortion minded women. You'll know how to deal with an abortion minded 130 00:09:00.899 --> 00:09:05.860 women. Woman. That's that's the focus of our ministry. But I think 131 00:09:05.899 --> 00:09:09.820 it is important that we know what to say and do with with with these, 132 00:09:09.169 --> 00:09:13.929 with these other group and, I think, also to we know how 133 00:09:13.970 --> 00:09:18.809 to minister to these groups without letting them be all consuming. Right. So, 134 00:09:18.929 --> 00:09:22.250 that right. Just one thing you need to be aware of is that 135 00:09:22.370 --> 00:09:26.519 the enemy of the best is always the good. So is it good to 136 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639 minister to someone who thinks that they're a woman when they're really a man? 137 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.000 Yeah, it's good to Minister the truth of them. It's good to show 138 00:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.149 them the truth of God's Word and minister the love of Jesus to them. 139 00:09:39.230 --> 00:09:43.750 But what's the best? Well, if someone's walking past them that's there to 140 00:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.549 kill their child, continuing in a lengthy conversation with them and neglecting to give 141 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:52.899 a voice of that baby, you'd be you'd be sacrificing the good for the 142 00:09:52.980 --> 00:09:54.100 best, I believe, in that situation. So we're going to be talking 143 00:09:54.100 --> 00:09:58.419 a little bit about how you can answer these situations, but also to keep 144 00:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.340 your focus on why you're actually there. Yeah, and your focus is always 145 00:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.139 the abortion minded women. So so we had a case last week at plan 146 00:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.250 parenthood of a young lady that it I won't make this too lengthy, but 147 00:10:09.769 --> 00:10:16.730 we found out that she was there for an IUD removal. I actually didn't 148 00:10:16.769 --> 00:10:20.330 Know Plan Parent parenthood did that, so it's interesting to know that they did. 149 00:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.559 They will remove the IUD, but we called out to the women not 150 00:10:24.679 --> 00:10:30.840 knowing that, and that's always our strategy. So with all these groups we 151 00:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.350 would start off calling out if you're here for an abortion. Yeah, maybe 152 00:10:35.389 --> 00:10:39.230 you have a friend that you could talk to this about, but we are 153 00:10:39.350 --> 00:10:41.990 here to offer you hope and help. So we always start that way and 154 00:10:43.669 --> 00:10:46.389 oftentimes they'll tell us I'm not here for an abortion. Sometimes we discovered that 155 00:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.299 that was a lie, but sometimes we discover it was the truth, and 156 00:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.019 that was the case with this young lady last week. She was not there 157 00:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.100 for an abortion. She did tell us she was having birth control removed. 158 00:10:58.139 --> 00:11:03.620 I kind of forgot that because so many people go in and out and we're 159 00:11:03.620 --> 00:11:05.570 calling out to so many people. So she was in there for a while 160 00:11:05.610 --> 00:11:09.490 and then I saw this woman come out. It was her, but I 161 00:11:09.610 --> 00:11:13.049 had forgotten the discussion I'd had with her car side and she's weeping and I 162 00:11:13.169 --> 00:11:18.399 just kept calling out, saying you're obviously upset. I know whatever you face, 163 00:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.840 we can help you, and she finally came over to me just bawling, 164 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.000 trying her eyes hat and the first thing I did actually, even in 165 00:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.159 the COVID era, I probably shouldn't have, but was hugged her because this 166 00:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.029 was a young lady, you know what, probably just out of team hood 167 00:11:35.470 --> 00:11:39.830 and just so upset. And she's crying and said they and she's, by 168 00:11:39.870 --> 00:11:41.789 the way, it was frigid out, twenty degrees, and she's wearing a 169 00:11:41.830 --> 00:11:46.870 t shirt and flip flops with no socks, socks, no winner coat, 170 00:11:46.950 --> 00:11:52.860 nothing. And and she said she was late for her appointment for the I 171 00:11:52.100 --> 00:11:56.179 you D to be removed and and they wouldn't do it because she was late. 172 00:11:56.460 --> 00:12:01.220 Well, and so she standing in the cold, frigid. Obviously doesn't 173 00:12:01.259 --> 00:12:05.330 own winter closed. Obviously Poor Plant parenthood care no matter what, unless you're 174 00:12:05.889 --> 00:12:09.289 late for your appointment. Yeah, well, that was the irony too, 175 00:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.250 is we had just right before we saw that one, when we were commenting, 176 00:12:13.409 --> 00:12:16.440 my counselor friend and I about the plan parenthood sign that says plan parenthood 177 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.840 cares no matter what. I took a picture of it and I said really, 178 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.879 well, no matter, I guess if you're late for your appointment, 179 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.990 then they no longer care. So that no matter what was probably a little 180 00:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.070 bit of an exaggeration, I'm plan hood's part. But anyway, we said 181 00:12:35.990 --> 00:12:39.429 fortunately, I was standing there with with a fellow my fellow councilor is a 182 00:12:39.509 --> 00:12:45.139 doctor, and she said the woman said, I'm having pain, I'm in 183 00:12:45.299 --> 00:12:46.980 pain. So not only was she laid for the appointment, she told them 184 00:12:48.019 --> 00:12:52.100 she's in pain and it sounds like it was the IED. And and so 185 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:58.610 some principles kind of in dealing with her was first of all, find out 186 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:01.090 the problem. We found out the problem. She's in pain. Yeah, 187 00:13:01.090 --> 00:13:05.970 possibly emergency pain. And our doctor friend said, well, you need to 188 00:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.049 get to the ER, which is literally five minutes away, and and then 189 00:13:11.289 --> 00:13:16.360 that the doctor drove her there. Yeah, actually took her to the ear 190 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.840 but so and then we even gave her a wet shirt. Just said keep 191 00:13:22.879 --> 00:13:30.070 it for this poor poor woman. But we know now they're going to be 192 00:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.990 women who are getting birth control. We know that. We knew people come 193 00:13:35.070 --> 00:13:39.590 to get get birth control and but there's also people having an iud either. 194 00:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.659 I don't know if they put in iiu D's. My guesses they do, 195 00:13:43.940 --> 00:13:46.899 but they certainly remove the IUD's, but they just wouldn't for this one. 196 00:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.820 Yeah, so they're kind of some principles we can think about in in dealing 197 00:13:50.980 --> 00:13:54.179 with that. Again, we don't want to spend a lot of time, 198 00:13:54.379 --> 00:13:58.649 but the one of the things that did occur to me right away was this 199 00:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.409 young lady, young unmarried, on birth control. Well, she's clearing new 200 00:14:03.730 --> 00:14:09.210 not following God in terms of sexual purity. So having that Gospel discussion is 201 00:14:09.250 --> 00:14:11.320 always important. Yeah, absolutely, and this is got to be done, 202 00:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.440 you know, forthright, but a gracious way. Right, is coming to 203 00:14:15.480 --> 00:14:16.720 CASS as condemn me. Well, yeah, should we have a birth control 204 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.080 because you're a fornicator? Yeah, right, there's a nice way to say 205 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.870 that. Yeah, we need to bring God's truth into the equation. God's 206 00:14:24.950 --> 00:14:30.110 truth is best always, no matter what modern society says. And so yeah, 207 00:14:30.190 --> 00:14:33.590 talking about that, and of course I believe this is more appropriately a 208 00:14:33.830 --> 00:14:37.149 woman to woman discussion. Yeah, although as a man, as a pastor, 209 00:14:37.269 --> 00:14:39.740 I can certainly address things in that level. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 210 00:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.179 you got to address that issue. Yeah, sure. Well, and 211 00:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.580 when she when someone is broken, we never want to heap sorrow Pon sorrow. 212 00:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.700 You have said that. I think that that's really, really good advice. 213 00:14:50.139 --> 00:14:54.090 But the the flip side of that is when someone is broken. They 214 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.490 know they're broken, they know that they are in a terrible mess and their 215 00:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.570 receptive, hey, how do I not get in this mess again? And 216 00:15:03.730 --> 00:15:05.730 that was where we were able to start with her shore and we gave her 217 00:15:07.090 --> 00:15:09.440 a sweatshirt and a ride to the hospital. So she was open to hearing 218 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.159 what these kind people had to say about God. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 219 00:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.639 Yeah, but there are other you know, there certainly are other things 220 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.629 that we offered her and that we could offer to anyone in those situations. 221 00:15:24.750 --> 00:15:30.909 So, first of all, letting them know that birth control that is given 222 00:15:30.950 --> 00:15:35.899 by plan parenthood is can often cause abortions. Yeah, and many people don't 223 00:15:35.899 --> 00:15:41.860 know that. Yeah. So educating the people coming in, because some of 224 00:15:41.899 --> 00:15:43.659 them, as they're walking in, that's all they're there for. They're just 225 00:15:43.820 --> 00:15:48.419 there for birth control, and that's one of the things you can call out. 226 00:15:48.460 --> 00:15:52.049 Did you know that this place does abortions? They almost always say yes, 227 00:15:52.090 --> 00:15:56.690 let me and then. So something else that you can offer is community 228 00:15:56.809 --> 00:16:02.330 health centers, yeah, that do that service, you know, less expensively. 229 00:16:02.370 --> 00:16:04.600 Yeah, and you know, I will mention if I'm at a plan 230 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.000 parenthood I'm having a conversation with a mom or dad going in and they'll say, 231 00:16:10.039 --> 00:16:11.200 often times, well, I'm not here for that, right. You 232 00:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.480 know they want to distance themselves from abortion. Yeah, they do, and 233 00:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.590 they're all ask them. Yeah, if I can pick upon that, I'll 234 00:16:18.590 --> 00:16:19.830 ask them. So, so, what do you think about the fact that 235 00:16:19.909 --> 00:16:23.669 plan parenthood does abortions? And often times they'll say, well, I don't 236 00:16:23.669 --> 00:16:27.190 like it, and I will actually give them the analogy that I just gave 237 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:30.470 you guys at the very beginning. Yeah, I'll say, well, what 238 00:16:30.590 --> 00:16:33.100 if I offered you a pan of brownies? It? You know, I 239 00:16:33.220 --> 00:16:36.899 just cooked real nice and use the best chocolate I could, but I missed 240 00:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.059 mix a little bit of dog poop in it. Would you eat them? 241 00:16:38.220 --> 00:16:41.740 Yeah, and of course they're going to say no way. I say that's 242 00:16:41.779 --> 00:16:45.980 plan parenthood. It's up, it's even worse. Yeah, they're doing other 243 00:16:45.179 --> 00:16:49.210 things for you at a low cause, but they're killing babies inside of that 244 00:16:49.330 --> 00:16:52.929 place. Yeah, you don't really want to have any association with that, 245 00:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.289 do you? And then I will point them to a pregnancy center that can 246 00:16:57.529 --> 00:17:02.440 often times do everything that plant parenthood is offering, except for a whole lot 247 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.200 cheaper. Right, and the question might be, well, why didn't they 248 00:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.279 get there in the first place. Well, a lot of times because they 249 00:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359 don't hear about its. Pregnancy centers have a hard time competing. I mean 250 00:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.990 pregnancy centers are nonprofit, locally supported organizations normally. Yeah, and thank God, 251 00:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.349 you know, for the fact that churches and individual support them, but 252 00:17:21.509 --> 00:17:26.430 for them to bring in enough money to compete with plant parenthood in the Google 253 00:17:26.589 --> 00:17:30.500 space is like almost impossible, right, because plan parenthood is porn you know, 254 00:17:30.619 --> 00:17:36.220 I don't know, probably naturally millions of dollars into Google, maybe even 255 00:17:36.220 --> 00:17:40.420 every month. Yeah, to get those words that like free pregnancy tests and 256 00:17:40.420 --> 00:17:45.009 ultrasound of that stuff, to get those key words, as for their links 257 00:17:45.089 --> 00:17:47.890 to pop up when people search the key words. Yeah, so all these 258 00:17:47.930 --> 00:17:51.569 women don't know about the pregnancy sent they don't. And now the the pregnancy 259 00:17:51.650 --> 00:17:55.930 centers. Many of them are Christian and many of them do not provide birth 260 00:17:56.009 --> 00:18:00.160 control, counseling there or birth control. Yeah, so that's why it's so 261 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.079 good to have as big a list as you can have of low cost community 262 00:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.200 centers, because they will provide birth control. And we could do, we 263 00:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.549 probably should do at some point a you know, a podcast about birth control. 264 00:18:14.670 --> 00:18:18.069 There are so many different feelings about it. For sure, we would 265 00:18:18.069 --> 00:18:22.869 not support the the pill because it can cause abortion, or the iud both 266 00:18:22.950 --> 00:18:26.980 of those can. But but there are other forms of birth control and and 267 00:18:27.140 --> 00:18:33.660 there are community resource centers that that will provide that, other community health centers, 268 00:18:33.700 --> 00:18:38.700 yeah, that that will provide that. So so knowing, knowing those 269 00:18:38.900 --> 00:18:45.210 and offering those is a way to deal with these women that are going in. 270 00:18:45.369 --> 00:18:48.690 And your point that I love telling them the story that you tell them 271 00:18:48.690 --> 00:18:53.250 because it makes it real. Yeah, but also almost all of them say, 272 00:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.039 really, there's other places where we could go, and we give out 273 00:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.839 twenty pieces of literature when we're there because they want to know there are other 274 00:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.680 low cost there are people that go to plan parenthood because there's just nothing else, 275 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:14.430 yeah, available for them. So anyway, the second group that we 276 00:19:14.549 --> 00:19:18.109 see out there the abortion workers, and those aren't moms going in and out 277 00:19:18.390 --> 00:19:21.829 or men going in and out, but it's people who work there. Yeah, 278 00:19:21.990 --> 00:19:25.259 and what do we do with them? But can we call out to 279 00:19:25.339 --> 00:19:27.779 them? Yeah, so of course you have that at every abortion center, 280 00:19:27.900 --> 00:19:33.220 not just a plant parent who's you know these we certainly deal with abortion workers 281 00:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.740 here at the latrobe abortion center and again, they're not a priority for us. 282 00:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.529 It's not that God doesn't love them equally. He loves them just like 283 00:19:41.650 --> 00:19:45.529 he loves the MOM's going in. Yeah, but for the MOMS and the 284 00:19:45.569 --> 00:19:48.769 babies that they carry, it's like one emergency, like there's a sense of 285 00:19:48.849 --> 00:19:53.039 urgency. Yeah, certainly for these abortion workers there's this, least in some 286 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.839 measure, a sense of urgency that they need to get out of this industry 287 00:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.359 or there they become more and more engulfed in this spirit of death. But 288 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.440 some of the things, of course, we'll call it to them, is 289 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.990 always will say God's made you for so much more than this. That's a 290 00:20:07.029 --> 00:20:08.950 good line. That's one of the things that I will say. God has 291 00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:12.430 given you the skills as a nurse. I'll say this to the doctors as 292 00:20:12.470 --> 00:20:18.150 well. God has given you the skills as a doctor, and now you're 293 00:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.500 using those those skills to destroy life rather than to protect life. God has 294 00:20:22.619 --> 00:20:25.539 so much more for you than this. Yeah, and then, of course 295 00:20:25.579 --> 00:20:30.339 you want to sting their conscience and not back away from the fact that abortion 296 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.660 is murdered. And so I will warn them, you know, if you 297 00:20:33.819 --> 00:20:36.769 take part in the shedding of innocent blood, the Bible says that you will 298 00:20:36.769 --> 00:20:41.289 reput you so and just call them to repent style taking part and what's going 299 00:20:41.369 --> 00:20:45.369 on inside of there. Yeah, yeah, and then as a resource we 300 00:20:45.490 --> 00:20:52.240 will point them to abortion and WORKERCOM. We don't have the manpower and really 301 00:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.440 the the the calling in the focus to be able to get them a job 302 00:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.920 and we have helped some local abortion workers get better jobs and things like that. 303 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.869 We've seen, what is it, twenty six over the past two years 304 00:21:03.910 --> 00:21:08.190 or so as love life. I think locally we've seen eighteen to maybe twenty. 305 00:21:08.269 --> 00:21:11.309 Yeah, those are the ones that contact us. Yeah, I mean 306 00:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.750 there's plenty that have left. We're sure that haven't contacted. Yes, yeah, 307 00:21:15.190 --> 00:21:18.069 yeah, actually, our friends with one of the ladies that used to 308 00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:22.940 run the front desk and she's started a catering business and yeah, has cater 309 00:21:22.099 --> 00:21:26.259 sir. Yeah, okate, he's catered some of our meetings right's been really 310 00:21:26.299 --> 00:21:30.700 cool. But we want to point them toward, if we can get them, 311 00:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.849 local resources, but if we can't, we point them to abortion workercom, 312 00:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.849 who has a programmed to get these folks, mostly women, out of 313 00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.970 the abortion industry. Right, and so we call that out. We have 314 00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:45.329 actually little business cards. It's a abortion workercom on them, hand them to 315 00:21:45.369 --> 00:21:48.480 them if we're able to do that, and that's kind of how we do 316 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.799 with that. Yeah, we've had abortion workers leave on it's not common, 317 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.039 but the leave and come to us in tier saying I have to leave this 318 00:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.470 place and we'll hand them the card. And that's happy Johnson's Ministry of former 319 00:22:00.549 --> 00:22:04.269 planned parenthood manager, and it is a it. They know what they're doing 320 00:22:04.470 --> 00:22:10.069 with the abortion workers. So we we kind of touched on the this a 321 00:22:10.069 --> 00:22:12.269 little bit. Women coming for low cost pregnancy test or I'll sounds. I 322 00:22:12.349 --> 00:22:18.140 do want to point out. And then what you talked about with the pregnancy 323 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.500 resource centers. Yeah, that's the perfect resource to point them too. Yeah, 324 00:22:21.859 --> 00:22:25.500 and they're often they're they're lower on the list. If you Google the 325 00:22:25.660 --> 00:22:27.819 first time kid is going to be plan parenthood or an abortion center. And 326 00:22:27.980 --> 00:22:32.650 I know for a fact, because I've talked with the women at coming out 327 00:22:32.690 --> 00:22:38.250 of the LATROBA abortion center, that they are lured in there by free pregnancy 328 00:22:38.369 --> 00:22:42.809 test and what they've told me is that, yes, the pregnancy test is 329 00:22:44.049 --> 00:22:47.839 free, but if you want the results you have to pay fifteen dollars. 330 00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.359 Yeah, so, I mean how deceptive is that? And the ultrasounds at 331 00:22:52.720 --> 00:22:59.390 now I don't know what what plan parenthood charges, but but at latrobe facility 332 00:22:59.470 --> 00:23:02.829 they say the ultrasounds are free. Yeah, if you get the abortion. 333 00:23:02.869 --> 00:23:06.230 Yeah, but if you don't get the abortion, then you pay a lot 334 00:23:06.269 --> 00:23:10.269 of money for the but they don't tell you that it. But they lure 335 00:23:10.470 --> 00:23:14.819 they lure them in and don't tell them what that what really the bottom line 336 00:23:14.859 --> 00:23:18.579 is this is only if you it's free, only if if you didn't have. 337 00:23:18.700 --> 00:23:22.980 That basically works is when a woman comes into the abortion center, she 338 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.099 checks in, was the first thing they asked for. They want your ID 339 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:30.609 and your form of payment and they're asking her say, what procedure are you? 340 00:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.210 How far along are you? And then what procedure are you considering? 341 00:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.250 If they say something like well, I'm not exactly sure if I want to 342 00:23:37.250 --> 00:23:40.690 get through the abortion or not. I want to get the ultrasound first, 343 00:23:41.289 --> 00:23:42.960 then they'll get them to go ahead and pay a hundred and eighty five dollars 344 00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.599 because they have to have blood work and an ultrasu now taken back for the 345 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.920 ultrasound. And if they are saying, well, I'm not sure I want 346 00:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.359 to do this, then they say well, you've already paid one hundred and 347 00:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.670 eighty five dollars and we can't refund that. So all you have to pay 348 00:23:56.829 --> 00:24:02.829 is another two hundred and fifteen dollars, three hundred whatever dollars, and we 349 00:24:02.869 --> 00:24:06.029 can go and take care of this. They get that hook in them. 350 00:24:06.069 --> 00:24:11.660 Yeah, and they because they're a business that makes money off of killing children, 351 00:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.140 they convince women who are not completely sure that they want to have an 352 00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:18.339 abortion. This notion that people come to an abortion center and they already have 353 00:24:18.420 --> 00:24:22.420 their minds made up is such a false notion, it is so untrue. 354 00:24:22.539 --> 00:24:25.529 Yeah, and and so again they try to get their hook in them. 355 00:24:25.569 --> 00:24:30.250 They bring them in with this free or low cost ultrasound. In comparison it 356 00:24:30.329 --> 00:24:33.769 is pretty low cast a hundred eighty five dollars is pretty cheap compared to go 357 00:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.089 into an Obie doctor where it's like, I don't know, three four hundred 358 00:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.319 dollars. Yeah, but there's free ones through us at are at our mobile 359 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.839 ultrasound unit, or through local pregnancy research centers. The the pregnancy test and 360 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.069 the ultrasound is free, and it astonishes me that so many women don't know 361 00:24:52.230 --> 00:24:57.390 that, but they don't. So offering that in it again if they're there, 362 00:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.230 if they're low income, unmarried, which many of them are, and 363 00:25:03.269 --> 00:25:08.140 they're coming for low cost pregnancy tester and ultrasound, their abortion vulner yeah, 364 00:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.579 that, no matter where you are, they are abortion vulnerable. Yeah, 365 00:25:11.740 --> 00:25:18.940 and so sharing the Gospel again, always, always, something that even even 366 00:25:18.019 --> 00:25:22.289 these people that aren't there for an abortion now, will always give them the 367 00:25:22.369 --> 00:25:30.009 literature and the way that we kind of gently suggest that they take that literature 368 00:25:30.049 --> 00:25:33.049 is maybe you have a friend, or you will have a friend one day 369 00:25:33.529 --> 00:25:37.880 who is considering abortion and it would just be good our name and numbers on 370 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.599 this and you've got the information. Yeah. So we deal with them actually 371 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.039 not all that differently from the women coming in for an abortion. We still 372 00:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.150 get them information, we still try to share sexual purity message in the Gospel 373 00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:56.069 and then we point them to local resources that don't kill babies. Yeah, 374 00:25:56.509 --> 00:25:59.069 that's why it's good to have like we have on our brochures, on the 375 00:25:59.150 --> 00:26:03.109 back of our brochure, a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, if 376 00:26:03.150 --> 00:26:07.099 you don't have that and you've got some literature that you hand out, then 377 00:26:07.380 --> 00:26:11.140 make a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, doom on, you know, 378 00:26:11.339 --> 00:26:15.579 just regular old paper printed out on your printer if you have to slip 379 00:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.930 it in your literature. Yeah, makeup stickers. I mean there's so many 380 00:26:19.049 --> 00:26:23.569 things out there vista print. You can print stuff really cheap on vista print. 381 00:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.130 Make up something that looks good as a sticker. Stick it on the 382 00:26:27.170 --> 00:26:33.359 back of your literature. Make up something the card or something. Yeah, 383 00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.759 I can hand them to I know. I would suggest actually, if there's 384 00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.720 a pregnancy center not far from the plant painter to where you're reaching out at, 385 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.000 just make up a car, as will actually Elijah has at the window 386 00:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.150 abortion center, because the mobile unit the window over clinic is not far from 387 00:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.150 the latrobe clinic and we have the mobile unit the latrobe clinic. Right. 388 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.309 He just made up a car that has a map that shows them how to 389 00:26:56.390 --> 00:26:59.990 get here, with directions on the bottom, you know, written out directions, 390 00:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.420 but also a map that shows them how to get here to the mobile 391 00:27:02.460 --> 00:27:04.660 unit, not to abortion clinic, but to the mobile unit. English on 392 00:27:04.740 --> 00:27:08.019 one side, Spanish on the other side. Hey, there's a mobile unit 393 00:27:08.420 --> 00:27:11.859 that will give you a free ultrasound pregnancy test five minute. Five minutes away 394 00:27:11.859 --> 00:27:15.609 from here, however, for it is away for you guys, and hand 395 00:27:15.650 --> 00:27:18.769 it to them. Yeah, and turn them away from, yeah, from 396 00:27:18.849 --> 00:27:22.130 that place. Yeah, and another piece of good practical advices. If you've 397 00:27:22.130 --> 00:27:26.329 got someone who is there for an ultrasound and they tell you they're there, 398 00:27:26.410 --> 00:27:32.799 they're only for an ultrasound, then to offered to call while they're standing in 399 00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.799 front of you, call a pregnancy resource center, because then then you keep 400 00:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.000 the more you can keep them from going in that place that also does abortions, 401 00:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.549 the better off for the baby and for that woman. Yeah. So, 402 00:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.069 and if you call a pregnancy resource center and say I am standing in 403 00:27:48.309 --> 00:27:52.869 front of an abortion center, you've just cued them in. This is someone 404 00:27:52.869 --> 00:27:57.109 who is abortion vulnerable and and they will often move mountains to get them in 405 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.660 there quickly. Yeah, so whos? I think is a point that needs 406 00:28:00.700 --> 00:28:04.339 to be made, also, as kind of a side note, that building, 407 00:28:04.380 --> 00:28:07.579 if you're going to be out an abortion center, building a good relationship 408 00:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.859 with your local pregnancy center is really important. Yeah, we can probably do 409 00:28:12.170 --> 00:28:17.849 a pot podcast about pregnancy centers and some of the differences, because there certainly 410 00:28:17.890 --> 00:28:21.410 are some differences depending on the pregnancy center. And we did a podcast, 411 00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:25.130 or I did a podcast interview with Tara Quinn right who's with help pregnancy center 412 00:28:25.170 --> 00:28:29.480 that we partner with here locally, who's just awesome. They're very unusual. 413 00:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.960 Yeah, they are very unusual in the pregnancy center world in that they're a 414 00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480 little more fourth right about abortion being murder, but they do it in a 415 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.029 gracious way, more a little more forth right with the Gospel. Yeah, 416 00:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.349 then some are. Yeah, and so again, we could probably do a 417 00:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.509 whole podcast about some of the differences and some of the things that you need 418 00:28:48.589 --> 00:28:53.150 to be aware of. But still yet building that relationship with your local pregnancy 419 00:28:53.190 --> 00:28:56.460 center is important. And let's say, because I've heard from a lot of 420 00:28:56.500 --> 00:29:00.500 people, well, they don't share the Gospel or they whatever, whatever. 421 00:29:02.059 --> 00:29:04.700 Well, if they don't share the Gospel, you don't do ultrasounds, right, 422 00:29:06.099 --> 00:29:07.779 right, you know? Yeah, yeah, well, you share the 423 00:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.250 Gospel. Yeah, if you'RE gonna point a woman in that direction, then 424 00:29:11.450 --> 00:29:14.849 get her phone number, get her contact info right, follow up with her. 425 00:29:14.890 --> 00:29:18.250 You share the Gospel then. Yeah, and let them do the ultrasound. 426 00:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.049 Let them do the ultrasound stuff, the medical stuff. Yeah, and 427 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:22.890 you do the follow up as far as discipleship and that sort of thing. 428 00:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.519 Yeah, and you know they're not going into a place that it's going to 429 00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.519 be talking them into an abortion. See you have time. You Time to 430 00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.960 share the Gospel. Absolutely after they're done with the ultrasound. You may not 431 00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.519 have that if they walk into the plan parenthood or into any abortion center, 432 00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.029 because they may be talked into immediately. Yeah, can absolutely, and having 433 00:29:41.029 --> 00:29:45.630 a good relationship with your pregnancy center, even in spite of differences, can 434 00:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.509 really go a long way so that when you're out there standing in front of 435 00:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.380 the plan parenthood and you've got a young lady who's abortion minded, who's considering 436 00:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.220 going to that place, if you can call ahead, like you mentioned, 437 00:29:56.420 --> 00:30:00.339 yeah, it goes a long way to just kind of that handoff process let 438 00:30:00.339 --> 00:30:06.059 her know they're waiting on you. You know they're expecting you. Some pregnancy 439 00:30:06.099 --> 00:30:11.009 centers a little weird where they might want to talk to her before they set 440 00:30:11.049 --> 00:30:15.089 any kind of appointment. Just fine, maybe you can hand the phone to 441 00:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.170 her or whatever, but calling ahead is helpful and it does help if you 442 00:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.119 have a relationship. You know, we've got kind of an end with all 443 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.200 the pregnancy centers around here. We know the directors and stuff. We can 444 00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.039 get on the phone with them directly yes, say we've got somebody coming. 445 00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.279 Can you make room. Yeah, and so again that goes a long way. 446 00:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.910 That relationship does absolutely and that's really, really an important resource. So 447 00:30:37.109 --> 00:30:41.549 women coming for PAP SMEARS, STD testing or other health issues. We've talked 448 00:30:41.549 --> 00:30:45.029 specifically about kind of the birth control issues, but they come for other health 449 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.019 issues as well, and this is women, not men yet. We'll get 450 00:30:49.059 --> 00:30:53.420 to that last. But so again, we use a lot of the same 451 00:30:53.460 --> 00:30:59.059 strategy speaking to them as we've as we've already mentioned. Yeah, and I 452 00:30:59.099 --> 00:31:00.460 don't think there's a whole lot more to say about that one. Yeah, 453 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.250 except you know, there are some pregnancy centers, actually one of the ones 454 00:31:04.250 --> 00:31:10.410 here, actually a couple of the ones here in Charlotte, the prolife pregnancy 455 00:31:10.450 --> 00:31:12.730 centers, do std testing and stuff like that. Okay, that's good to 456 00:31:12.809 --> 00:31:15.890 know. So that's good to know. It's good to know if you have 457 00:31:15.930 --> 00:31:18.680 a good relationship with your pregnancy center, you know the stuff that they offer 458 00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559 and you can point these women in the right direction. But many of the 459 00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.440 pregnancy centers won't do like a PAP smear and stuff like that. But there 460 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.000 are places that will. Their community centers that I mean, they're not Gospel 461 00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.759 centered, they're just government entity. Some of them. Some of them are, 462 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.309 you know, nonprofits or whatever, but they're far better than plan parenthood 463 00:31:37.470 --> 00:31:40.990 exactly. They're not doing abortions. Yeah, that's the critical, key point. 464 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:44.710 It's I can get them someplace that doesn't do abortions, you've got a 465 00:31:44.829 --> 00:31:49.420 shot at continuing to disciple her and have that baby continued to be safe if 466 00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.700 she's pregnant. And I would say if you're seeing patterns, like you're out 467 00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.539 there, reach down on a regular basis and you're seeing patterns of people that 468 00:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.500 are coming for paps, mirrors or STD testing or whatever. Yeah, then 469 00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:04.329 the things that you see a pattern of, yeah, then compile a list 470 00:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.049 of resources for that particular thing. So, again, you're seeing people coming 471 00:32:07.210 --> 00:32:12.529 a regular basis for STD testing, get a list of three or four places, 472 00:32:12.849 --> 00:32:15.609 yeah, that do that, so you can point them in that direction, 473 00:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.440 hand them that list. Maybe, again, it's a compiled list of 474 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.039 all the resources that you've compiled. I'd say the best you cannot just overwhelm 475 00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.119 them with so much stuff. Yeah, is good, but yeah, so 476 00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.349 little pamphlet or something like that you can hand them, give them directions to 477 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:34.029 the place to get them away from there can be really helpful getting them getting 478 00:32:34.069 --> 00:32:37.829 them away from going in to a place that kills children from. Yeah. 479 00:32:37.990 --> 00:32:42.869 Yeah, so the last major group, which was the one that kind of 480 00:32:43.230 --> 00:32:47.019 sparked this whole podcast for me because I was kind of lost. And how 481 00:32:47.059 --> 00:32:51.900 do I respond to this, was a young man who, well, there 482 00:32:51.940 --> 00:32:54.099 were a few. This happened several times, but the one in particular, 483 00:32:54.299 --> 00:32:59.049 it was a young man going in and then coming out. In both cases 484 00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.049 I didn't realize it was a man until he was close. I thought it 485 00:33:05.130 --> 00:33:09.849 was a woman. Yeah, because this was someone transition, a transgender person, 486 00:33:10.130 --> 00:33:14.839 who who I called out and said Hey, we can help you, 487 00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.960 thinking it's a woman, and as he approaches he said, I don't think 488 00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.640 you can help me with my issues. Yeah, and then I realized, 489 00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.750 Oh, it's a man, and and he said I'm I'm here for hormone 490 00:33:27.789 --> 00:33:32.509 therapy. Yeah, and so I just really kind of was at a loss. 491 00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.509 I had never dealt with that, never that was my first time. 492 00:33:36.789 --> 00:33:40.700 Yeah, and what I did do was just instantly this is where I always 493 00:33:40.859 --> 00:33:45.339 go. As I talked about that, we were all loved because we are 494 00:33:45.380 --> 00:33:50.779 all created in the image of a holy God, and focusing on the image 495 00:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.380 of God and Shared The Gospel. He was not terribly receptive. He got 496 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.569 back in his car and said Plan parenthood really understand lgbtq people. Yeah, 497 00:33:59.650 --> 00:34:04.730 and transgender people, and that really struck me. First of all his clear 498 00:34:04.769 --> 00:34:07.250 unhappiness, and I thought after he had left, I should have said something 499 00:34:07.409 --> 00:34:13.559 like are you conte hand, and because I do know enough about the transgender 500 00:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.519 movement that these people have a very, very high rate of suicide, very 501 00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:23.789 unhappy, varied, they're never at home. Yeah, in even following surgery. 502 00:34:23.949 --> 00:34:28.590 And and the doctor friend that was with me in fact verified that. 503 00:34:28.829 --> 00:34:32.389 She said that her son is a Dr Johns Hopkins, and they had studied 504 00:34:32.469 --> 00:34:39.579 and done the surgery, surgical intervention for people transitioning from one gender to another 505 00:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.900 for twenty years. And what they and they did all kinds of research during 506 00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:51.219 that time and found that the suicide rate prior to the surgery is about forty 507 00:34:51.380 --> 00:34:55.090 percent. It's really high. And then they they did twenty years of study 508 00:34:55.170 --> 00:35:01.170 of these people following the surgery and the suicide rate was unchanged. Yeah, 509 00:35:01.369 --> 00:35:05.289 so they stopped doing them because they said, what are we doing? We're 510 00:35:05.289 --> 00:35:12.800 doing these very disfiguring, irreversible surgeries with all the risks involved and it's not 511 00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.639 helping. They're still suicidal. So so that says a lot. But but 512 00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.670 the when I did some research on this, I really found that the church 513 00:35:24.829 --> 00:35:30.469 maybe is not responding as well as it shoulder could be. It can be 514 00:35:30.630 --> 00:35:36.179 very condemning without understanding. So we just wanted to give you all and we 515 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:43.860 have an article that is accompanying this podcast and we've put some links on maybe 516 00:35:43.940 --> 00:35:51.050 some ways that you can gracious, gracefully and graciously approach this issue. But 517 00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:55.769 but one of the things in listening to people who came out of the transgender 518 00:35:58.010 --> 00:36:02.969 movement started off maybe even did the surgery, and I did hear a podcast 519 00:36:04.090 --> 00:36:07.960 with one of those women speaking who had been transgendered as a man for nine 520 00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.920 years and what brought her back was the gospel. Well, and she said 521 00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:21.670 despite all the anger and hatred that she expressed to her mother or others who 522 00:36:21.789 --> 00:36:29.309 tried to keep pointing her back to her identity in Christ and the importance of 523 00:36:29.429 --> 00:36:34.260 that and the truth of the Gospel, she said You may think you're not 524 00:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.500 making an impact because she said she would just scream and storm away. She 525 00:36:37.579 --> 00:36:42.500 said those words never left. The word of God does not return void and 526 00:36:42.659 --> 00:36:49.489 she said don't, don't abandon the Gospel, but she gave some advice in 527 00:36:50.289 --> 00:36:55.170 kind of some strategies so that that Gospel could be more easily received. Yeah, 528 00:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.880 okay, and so I think I wrote down some of what those main 529 00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:08.280 points are. One one of them was was really that that you first listen, 530 00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:16.949 just listen, understand their world, because these people are very largely insignificant 531 00:37:16.989 --> 00:37:22.829 pain and if they don't feel you truly understand the pain that they're in, 532 00:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.269 that it. You know, you can't just introduce well, God can change 533 00:37:29.269 --> 00:37:34.460 everything and you know just you know, grow up or whatever. Yeah, 534 00:37:34.539 --> 00:37:37.940 that is not going to be well received and they're going to reject it. 535 00:37:37.300 --> 00:37:43.179 Yeah. So so listen and and then I think you are the one, 536 00:37:43.219 --> 00:37:47.289 Daniel, that that suggested some of the things that we wrote down as kind 537 00:37:47.289 --> 00:37:52.289 of bullet points. On some things, you could say like I I didn't 538 00:37:52.329 --> 00:37:59.079 even realize the risks of form on therapy. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah. 539 00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.840 I think pointing them to resources that can speak the truth, and this 540 00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.639 is from the Mayo Clinic, this link that you actually have in the article 541 00:38:07.719 --> 00:38:08.599 here. Yeah, we're not going to, yes, bound too much on 542 00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.269 this, guys, because you can get the article and sidewalks for lifecom yeah, 543 00:38:14.389 --> 00:38:16.869 but yeah, I mean talking about how these there's risks involved. This 544 00:38:16.989 --> 00:38:21.909 home hormone therapyst people think that they're doing the best because, you know, 545 00:38:21.949 --> 00:38:28.260 after all, we're trying to affirm. That's a word that folks that push 546 00:38:28.380 --> 00:38:31.739 this movement always use as affirming. Want to be affirming. Yeah, but 547 00:38:31.860 --> 00:38:37.780 if you're affirming someone and doing something that's destructive to them, yeah, then 548 00:38:37.820 --> 00:38:40.219 you're not being helpful. That's like, yeah, you know best example I 549 00:38:40.260 --> 00:38:44.010 can think of the top of my head, if somebody you, you're at 550 00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010 the bar, which wouldn't be if you're a Christian, but before you were 551 00:38:46.010 --> 00:38:50.489 a Christian, at the bar with one of your friends. He's had a 552 00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:53.329 little too much to drink, or he or she walk into the door of 553 00:38:53.409 --> 00:38:57.559 the bar with their keys in their hand. Are you going to affirm that? 554 00:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.920 You want to affirm them. Right, Hey, you could pat them 555 00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.880 on about how you're a good driver, and they're saying, I feel fine, 556 00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.360 I can drive, I'm perfectly fine. So their feelings, you're saying 557 00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.679 it's it, I can do this right, don't judge me. After all, 558 00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.070 aren't you supposed to? I mean you, my friend, would you 559 00:39:12.110 --> 00:39:15.829 judge me, did you, when you want me to feel like I want 560 00:39:15.829 --> 00:39:22.710 to feel in my own body. Right, and sometimes affirmation of destructive behavior 561 00:39:23.659 --> 00:39:28.179 is actually involvement in that a that destructive behavior. We need to speak out 562 00:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.380 against it. We could do it graciously and we can do it with, 563 00:39:31.699 --> 00:39:36.739 you know, with the grace of God. Yeah, but we shouldn't affirm 564 00:39:36.820 --> 00:39:39.210 things that are destructive to people. Anyway. This article in the Mayo Clinic 565 00:39:39.570 --> 00:39:45.010 on the Mayo Clinic Dot Org website will talk about that, right, and 566 00:39:45.210 --> 00:39:49.409 there's other articles. There's a testimony we have a link to on this article 567 00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:52.119 that should be able to just watch this testimony. Testimonies are powerful in any 568 00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.559 area. Yeah, always encourage you. If you have a testimony. Maybe 569 00:39:55.559 --> 00:40:01.960 you know a friend who was a transgender person and got saved and God turn 570 00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.480 their life right side up. Share that testimony. Maybe you're a person like 571 00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.510 like that. Or maybe this testimony that we have listed here and there's other 572 00:40:09.590 --> 00:40:15.030 testimonies of people that have gone through that and the Lord just turn their life 573 00:40:15.030 --> 00:40:20.869 right set up. Share those testimonies. Yeah, but you know, ultimately, 574 00:40:20.869 --> 00:40:22.699 I would say ministering to these people the Gospel is the most important thing. 575 00:40:23.019 --> 00:40:28.139 It really is. And and the case study that I heard on the 576 00:40:28.340 --> 00:40:30.619 link that I gave you, that was what she said, that that was 577 00:40:30.860 --> 00:40:36.329 what turned everything around. Yeah, for her was she and it took nine 578 00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:40.050 years and she went through all the surgeries and and she made the point that 579 00:40:40.610 --> 00:40:45.969 she was. She awoke from the surgery thinking this. It kept that. 580 00:40:45.289 --> 00:40:51.360 She you kept having to go more and more extreme and how to deal with 581 00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:57.760 the gender dysphoria, and she kept thinking this next step is first hormone therapy 582 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.199 and then I'll feel better. And then, when she didn't, she said, 583 00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.559 well, now there's surgeries and then I'll feel better. And she woke 584 00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.750 up from the surgery and it was almost instantaneous. She said, I feel 585 00:41:06.789 --> 00:41:10.190 the same, I'm not this is not right, I'm not who I'm supposed 586 00:41:10.190 --> 00:41:15.230 to be. And ultimately came to what I love the line she said finding 587 00:41:15.349 --> 00:41:20.300 her identity in Christ, because this is an identity. It's sexual identity, 588 00:41:20.380 --> 00:41:24.300 but it's your identity. Where does that lie? And ultimately it lies in 589 00:41:24.420 --> 00:41:30.380 Christ and Christ alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, 590 00:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.969 guys, we hope this podcast was a blessing to you. We hope it 591 00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:37.889 equipped you, guys, to being effect the voice with people who are not 592 00:41:37.090 --> 00:41:42.449 necessarily abortion minded, so that you can focus on those who are abortion minded. 593 00:41:42.530 --> 00:41:45.610 Of course we've done many podcast about that, will continue to do podcast 594 00:41:45.690 --> 00:41:50.599 about that and we may even, at some point in the future break down 595 00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.800 some of these subjects individually new separate podcast about them. But for now we 596 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.440 just hope this will be a blessing you, guys. As always, you 597 00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.519 can reach out to me, Daniel at Love Life Dot Org. You reach 598 00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.909 out to her, Vicky at Love Life Dot Org. Check out our sidewalks 599 00:42:02.909 --> 00:42:07.429 for life website. This article should be up as this podcast come out comes 600 00:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.909 out, and I think it'll be a blessing to you guys. Or some 601 00:42:10.949 --> 00:42:15.659 of those links that we talked about. And think until next time we'll wrap 602 00:42:15.780 --> 00:42:29.380 this thing up and God bless give me our love for love, give me 603 00:42:30.130 --> 00:42:42.369 our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's 604 00:42:42.530 --> 00:42:45.119 too precious in some you