Talking to People Who Are Not Abortion Minded

WEBVTT100:00:00.560 --> 00:00:06.440I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours and me, Lord,200:00:06.919 --> 00:00:10.189I am you. Welcome to theGospel Center Pro Life Podcast, and300:00:10.230 --> 00:00:13.230this episode we're going to talk abouthow to Minister to people coming to an400:00:13.230 --> 00:00:18.190abortion center that are not necessarily abortionminded. We know this episode will encourage500:00:18.190 --> 00:00:27.620and equip you, so stay tuned. Lord, I felt show passish touch600:00:28.059 --> 00:00:38.210your heart. Use Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate700:00:38.250 --> 00:00:42.289you guys listening and, as always, encourage you guys to share this podcast.800:00:42.289 --> 00:00:46.609It's mainly focused on equipping people andencouraging people who are out on the900:00:46.609 --> 00:00:50.200sidewalk, but we cover other subjectsthat don't necessarily have to do with sidewalk1000:00:50.240 --> 00:00:53.600counseling ministry. So I think it'dbe a blessing to a lot of people,1100:00:53.600 --> 00:00:57.679but in particular people that are reachingout on the sidewalks of their local1200:00:57.719 --> 00:01:02.039abortion center or people that are prayingabout reaching out at their local abortion center.1300:01:02.159 --> 00:01:07.469Want to mention that just this pastSaturday will recording on a Monday of1400:01:07.670 --> 00:01:10.950February, the eighth, I thinkso right, and you guys should hear1500:01:11.030 --> 00:01:14.109this the Thursday. That's how typicallyworks. Record on the Monday and we1600:01:14.189 --> 00:01:18.269put them out on a Thursday morningjust past this past Saturday, Februhere,1700:01:18.310 --> 00:01:22.340the sixth, we did an onlinetraining. We call all sidewalks one hundred1800:01:22.379 --> 00:01:26.459and one training, which we madeavailable to anybody who heard about it,1900:01:26.579 --> 00:01:30.060which we didn't really invite a lotof people. Wouldn't really share a lot2000:01:30.819 --> 00:01:34.129with a lot of people that wewere going to be doing this. We2100:01:34.209 --> 00:01:37.969had a large group of people.You're doing some online training. Maybe you're2200:01:38.049 --> 00:01:40.609interested in that. We were doingagain what we call our one hundred and2300:01:40.609 --> 00:01:45.370one training, which is just basichow to of sidewall counting. Actually we2400:01:45.569 --> 00:01:49.879cover the what, why and howof sidewalk out reach ministries, sidewalk counseling,2500:01:49.519 --> 00:01:53.879and maybe you're interested in that.Maybe listen to these podcast has got2600:01:53.920 --> 00:01:57.439a new interesting going out and youwant to get equipped. We do that2700:01:57.719 --> 00:02:01.349every the first Saturday of every month. 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Trying our bestto do with Love Life America and all3800:02:38.770 --> 00:02:42.930of that, is to train andequip people to be a gospel centered witness3900:02:43.009 --> 00:02:46.280at their local abortion center. That'swhat we're trying to do and hopefully that's4000:02:46.280 --> 00:02:51.199what this podcast will try to do. It's a little different. Normally we4100:02:51.439 --> 00:02:53.960deal with how do you talk toan abortion minded mom at an abortion center?4200:02:54.599 --> 00:02:58.789That's that's our folcus. That's ourmain focus. Yeah, but we4300:02:58.949 --> 00:03:01.629do know well the trouble abortion centerthat you guys have heard US talk about4400:03:01.629 --> 00:03:07.469a lot is what we would consideran abortion mill. They just do abortions.4500:03:07.669 --> 00:03:09.870That's all they do. That's ontheir website, that's that's all they're4600:03:09.909 --> 00:03:14.659offering is abortion, and there's alot of those freestanding abortion clinics around the4700:03:14.699 --> 00:03:17.099country that all they do is abortion, but there are also a lot of4800:03:17.180 --> 00:03:21.780abortion clinics that do other things,and a lot of those abortion clinics are4900:03:21.860 --> 00:03:27.569planned parenthoods. Right, plan parenthoods, even though their bread and butter,5000:03:27.770 --> 00:03:30.370for lack of a better term,is abortion. That's how they make their5100:03:30.449 --> 00:03:36.330money. They do do other things, all for birth control. They do5200:03:36.490 --> 00:03:39.969hormone therapy. We'll talk a littlebit about that. They do std testing5300:03:40.090 --> 00:03:45.000and stuff. The stuff they allfor, however, though, is is5400:03:45.039 --> 00:03:49.439stuff that you can get in otherplaces. So it's not like Plant parenthood5500:03:49.439 --> 00:03:52.520is necessary because they offer these otherthings. ME. You know, you5600:03:52.639 --> 00:03:54.990hear people saying you have Plant parenthood. They do more than just abortions.5700:03:55.030 --> 00:03:59.110A matter of fact, I thinkthey say statistically, only three percent of5800:03:59.189 --> 00:04:02.750what they do is abortion. Right. So that makes them like mostly good,5900:04:03.150 --> 00:04:06.069right. Height but my response tothat, as always, well,6000:04:06.270 --> 00:04:10.740let me cook you a pan ofbrownies with made with the best chocolate and6100:04:10.860 --> 00:04:14.340just put three percent dog poop there. Would you still eat the brownies?6200:04:14.659 --> 00:04:16.819Would you still encourage your friends eatthe brown yeah, probably not, right,6300:04:17.019 --> 00:04:19.779like to say. And Hitler wasa great guy, except for that6400:04:19.980 --> 00:04:24.329thing about the Jews. Yeah,just, yeah, you know, he6500:04:24.529 --> 00:04:27.170was he was mostly just trying todo the best things for his country and6600:04:27.209 --> 00:04:30.329only three percent of what he didwas killed Jews and gas chambers. Right.6700:04:30.370 --> 00:04:32.970Yeah, it's ridiculous and put awhole lot of time. Yeah,6800:04:33.529 --> 00:04:39.439that. Yeah, or like maybe, are mostly peaceful protests that we've had6900:04:39.480 --> 00:04:42.800around the country, right, burnand loot and riot. Yeah, they're7000:04:42.839 --> 00:04:47.160mostly peaceful. Only three percent ofit Zim bashing storefronts in with bricks and7100:04:47.240 --> 00:04:55.269things like that. The the badfar overcomes the the whatever a parent good7200:04:55.389 --> 00:04:59.430that might be. When it's thatbad, for sure, absolutely. Yeah.7300:04:59.790 --> 00:05:05.269So not to rabbit trill on that. Let's jump in to what we're7400:05:05.269 --> 00:05:11.060talking about again. We're talking aboutyou're at a plant parenthood, at an7500:05:11.100 --> 00:05:15.220abortion center. You want to reachthe moms going in that are having abortions,7600:05:15.300 --> 00:05:18.019right, but there's other people.If people coming in. There's a7700:05:18.500 --> 00:05:23.610lady walking in says I'm here forbirth control, yeah, or there's a7800:05:23.649 --> 00:05:28.810person walking in saying I'm here forSTD testing, I'm here for an ultrasound7900:05:28.810 --> 00:05:30.689because they do it cheaper here thananywhere else. Yeah, how do you8000:05:30.810 --> 00:05:34.250respond to that? So we're goingto touch a couple of those subjects and8100:05:34.410 --> 00:05:40.920just talk or talk about how werespond in the best ways to minister to8200:05:40.959 --> 00:05:44.199people in that capacity. Yeah,right, so so, yeah, yeah,8300:05:44.279 --> 00:05:47.360the main groups, and we knowthis because we're ministring at a plant8400:05:47.399 --> 00:05:53.870parenthood now with there are four abortioncenters in our city and we are at8500:05:53.870 --> 00:05:56.790all of them in one of thoseis a plan parenthood. Yeah, and8600:05:57.230 --> 00:06:00.629so there are lots of different groupsgoing in and so the main groups.8700:06:00.670 --> 00:06:05.420We tried to kind of just breakit down so that as we talk about8800:06:05.420 --> 00:06:08.779it, you can think about,okay, these are the main groups.8900:06:08.860 --> 00:06:13.300How can we reach them, orat least be somewhat knowledgeable, yeah,9000:06:13.339 --> 00:06:17.300about each of those groups so thatwe can speak to them. And all9100:06:17.379 --> 00:06:21.889of these groups need the Lord.And most of these groups are people that9200:06:21.930 --> 00:06:26.889are going to be abortion vulnerable.Yeah, if they are not, they're9300:06:26.889 --> 00:06:31.769already abortion vulnerable. So if wecan speak, not knowledgeably, to them,9400:06:31.810 --> 00:06:35.839we might be able to stop abortionbefore exever. You know, been9500:06:35.879 --> 00:06:40.279con one of the things that Plantparenthood does is they try to get in9600:06:40.480 --> 00:06:45.279communities and they offer things, youknow, like sex education, right,9700:06:45.360 --> 00:06:49.870which, yeah, ridiculous, gettingsex education from an abortion providers ridiculous.9800:06:49.910 --> 00:06:55.350Yeah, but they try to sowtheir seeds into the community so that when9900:06:55.350 --> 00:06:59.269a woman does get in a quote, unwanted pregnancy situation, where does she10000:06:59.350 --> 00:07:01.740go? She goes to plan parenthood, exactly. So we always, in10100:07:01.939 --> 00:07:05.579any of these situations, wanted todeter people from going into Plant parenthood.10200:07:05.660 --> 00:07:10.819Right. They're trying to build relationshipswith people and one of the things we've10300:07:10.819 --> 00:07:14.819discovered locally, just to mention this, because there's this idea that plan parenthood10400:07:14.860 --> 00:07:17.649is needed because they offer free stuff. Right. We had a lady call10500:07:18.089 --> 00:07:21.050not too long ago the plan parentwho here locally, and this has happened10600:07:21.050 --> 00:07:25.490nationally. People have called Plant parenthoodand figured out, okay, what do10700:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.370they offer that's actually free? Andalmost nothing is free. They're not given10800:07:29.449 --> 00:07:33.319free ultrasounds, right. They're notgiven free pregnancy testing. Yeah, they're10900:07:33.360 --> 00:07:40.040not doing free birth control or freeSTD testing. None of this stuff is11000:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.639free, right. Yeah, andso we do wanted to deter people from11100:07:43.639 --> 00:07:46.310going in there who come with thesedifferent things. They are not necessarily coming11200:07:46.350 --> 00:07:49.230for an abortion, right. Yes. So we we talked about each of11300:07:49.269 --> 00:07:53.670these areas and just to kind oforganize it for you, the the main11400:07:53.750 --> 00:07:58.430areas that that we see at ourlocal plant parenthood and probably a most parenthood,11500:07:58.740 --> 00:08:01.740Plant parenthood, people coming for birthcontrol or problems with birth control.11600:08:01.779 --> 00:08:05.620Yeah, abortion workers. Now,they aren't coming to plant parenthood, but11700:08:05.740 --> 00:08:09.459you see them there. Group thatyou'll see going in and out. Yeah,11800:08:09.180 --> 00:08:13.730the women coming for low cost pregnancytest or ultrasounds, the women coming11900:08:13.810 --> 00:08:18.129for perhaps mere STD testing or otherhealth issues, not mammograms, because they12000:08:18.170 --> 00:08:22.410don't do mamograms. Don't even there, which people say they do. They12100:08:22.490 --> 00:08:24.129they do not do that. Theydo not. And then the they dis12200:08:24.250 --> 00:08:28.240group. That I and and that'sone that we're going to do a teeny12300:08:28.279 --> 00:08:31.440little case study on, because itreally took me kind of by surprise.12400:08:31.519 --> 00:08:35.000I wasn't expecting and I didn't knowhow to deal with it. Were men12500:08:35.279 --> 00:08:41.830coming for hormone therapy for transgender transition? Yeah, and that we kept seeing12600:08:41.830 --> 00:08:46.549these men going in to plan parenthoodalone, coming out alone, never apparently12700:08:46.590 --> 00:08:50.350meeting women, and it took usa while to figure out, oh,12800:08:50.149 --> 00:08:56.059they're here for hormone therapy. Yeah, so not that we can our wheelhouse12900:08:56.379 --> 00:09:00.820is the abortion minded women. You'llknow how to deal with an abortion minded13000:09:00.899 --> 00:09:05.860women. Woman. That's that's thefocus of our ministry. But I think13100:09:05.899 --> 00:09:09.820it is important that we know whatto say and do with with with these,13200:09:09.169 --> 00:09:13.929with these other group and, Ithink, also to we know how13300:09:13.970 --> 00:09:18.809to minister to these groups without lettingthem be all consuming. Right. So,13400:09:18.929 --> 00:09:22.250that right. Just one thing youneed to be aware of is that13500:09:22.370 --> 00:09:26.519the enemy of the best is alwaysthe good. So is it good to13600:09:26.679 --> 00:09:31.639minister to someone who thinks that they'rea woman when they're really a man?13700:09:31.440 --> 00:09:35.000Yeah, it's good to Minister thetruth of them. It's good to show13800:09:35.080 --> 00:09:39.149them the truth of God's Word andminister the love of Jesus to them.13900:09:39.230 --> 00:09:43.750But what's the best? Well,if someone's walking past them that's there to14000:09:43.750 --> 00:09:48.549kill their child, continuing in alengthy conversation with them and neglecting to give14100:09:48.549 --> 00:09:52.899a voice of that baby, you'dbe you'd be sacrificing the good for the14200:09:52.980 --> 00:09:54.100best, I believe, in thatsituation. So we're going to be talking14300:09:54.100 --> 00:09:58.419a little bit about how you cananswer these situations, but also to keep14400:09:58.460 --> 00:10:01.340your focus on why you're actually there. Yeah, and your focus is always14500:10:01.340 --> 00:10:05.139the abortion minded women. So sowe had a case last week at plan14600:10:05.259 --> 00:10:09.250parenthood of a young lady that itI won't make this too lengthy, but14700:10:09.769 --> 00:10:16.730we found out that she was therefor an IUD removal. I actually didn't14800:10:16.769 --> 00:10:20.330Know Plan Parent parenthood did that,so it's interesting to know that they did.14900:10:20.409 --> 00:10:24.559They will remove the IUD, butwe called out to the women not15000:10:24.679 --> 00:10:30.840knowing that, and that's always ourstrategy. So with all these groups we15100:10:30.919 --> 00:10:35.350would start off calling out if you'rehere for an abortion. Yeah, maybe15200:10:35.389 --> 00:10:39.230you have a friend that you couldtalk to this about, but we are15300:10:39.350 --> 00:10:41.990here to offer you hope and help. So we always start that way and15400:10:43.669 --> 00:10:46.389oftentimes they'll tell us I'm not herefor an abortion. Sometimes we discovered that15500:10:46.470 --> 00:10:50.299that was a lie, but sometimeswe discover it was the truth, and15600:10:50.379 --> 00:10:54.019that was the case with this younglady last week. She was not there15700:10:54.059 --> 00:10:58.100for an abortion. She did tellus she was having birth control removed.15800:10:58.139 --> 00:11:03.620I kind of forgot that because somany people go in and out and we're15900:11:03.620 --> 00:11:05.570calling out to so many people.So she was in there for a while16000:11:05.610 --> 00:11:09.490and then I saw this woman comeout. It was her, but I16100:11:09.610 --> 00:11:13.049had forgotten the discussion I'd had withher car side and she's weeping and I16200:11:13.169 --> 00:11:18.399just kept calling out, saying you'reobviously upset. I know whatever you face,16300:11:18.559 --> 00:11:22.840we can help you, and shefinally came over to me just bawling,16400:11:24.360 --> 00:11:28.000trying her eyes hat and the firstthing I did actually, even in16500:11:28.080 --> 00:11:31.159the COVID era, I probably shouldn'thave, but was hugged her because this16600:11:31.320 --> 00:11:35.029was a young lady, you knowwhat, probably just out of team hood16700:11:35.470 --> 00:11:39.830and just so upset. And she'scrying and said they and she's, by16800:11:39.870 --> 00:11:41.789the way, it was frigid out, twenty degrees, and she's wearing a16900:11:41.830 --> 00:11:46.870t shirt and flip flops with nosocks, socks, no winner coat,17000:11:46.950 --> 00:11:52.860nothing. And and she said shewas late for her appointment for the I17100:11:52.100 --> 00:11:56.179you D to be removed and andthey wouldn't do it because she was late.17200:11:56.460 --> 00:12:01.220Well, and so she standing inthe cold, frigid. Obviously doesn't17300:12:01.259 --> 00:12:05.330own winter closed. Obviously Poor Plantparenthood care no matter what, unless you're17400:12:05.889 --> 00:12:09.289late for your appointment. Yeah,well, that was the irony too,17500:12:09.409 --> 00:12:13.250is we had just right before wesaw that one, when we were commenting,17600:12:13.409 --> 00:12:16.440my counselor friend and I about theplan parenthood sign that says plan parenthood17700:12:16.480 --> 00:12:20.840cares no matter what. I tooka picture of it and I said really,17800:12:20.919 --> 00:12:24.879well, no matter, I guessif you're late for your appointment,17900:12:24.480 --> 00:12:30.990then they no longer care. Sothat no matter what was probably a little18000:12:30.990 --> 00:12:35.070bit of an exaggeration, I'm planhood's part. But anyway, we said18100:12:35.990 --> 00:12:39.429fortunately, I was standing there withwith a fellow my fellow councilor is a18200:12:39.509 --> 00:12:45.139doctor, and she said the womansaid, I'm having pain, I'm in18300:12:45.299 --> 00:12:46.980pain. So not only was shelaid for the appointment, she told them18400:12:48.019 --> 00:12:52.100she's in pain and it sounds likeit was the IED. And and so18500:12:54.500 --> 00:12:58.610some principles kind of in dealing withher was first of all, find out18600:12:58.610 --> 00:13:01.090the problem. We found out theproblem. She's in pain. Yeah,18700:13:01.090 --> 00:13:05.970possibly emergency pain. And our doctorfriend said, well, you need to18800:13:07.049 --> 00:13:11.049get to the ER, which isliterally five minutes away, and and then18900:13:11.289 --> 00:13:16.360that the doctor drove her there.Yeah, actually took her to the ear19000:13:16.000 --> 00:13:22.840but so and then we even gaveher a wet shirt. Just said keep19100:13:22.879 --> 00:13:30.070it for this poor poor woman.But we know now they're going to be19200:13:30.230 --> 00:13:33.990women who are getting birth control.We know that. We knew people come19300:13:35.070 --> 00:13:39.590to get get birth control and butthere's also people having an iud either.19400:13:39.830 --> 00:13:43.659I don't know if they put iniiu D's. My guesses they do,19500:13:43.940 --> 00:13:46.899but they certainly remove the IUD's,but they just wouldn't for this one.19600:13:48.220 --> 00:13:50.820Yeah, so they're kind of someprinciples we can think about in in dealing19700:13:50.980 --> 00:13:54.179with that. Again, we don'twant to spend a lot of time,19800:13:54.379 --> 00:13:58.649but the one of the things thatdid occur to me right away was this19900:13:58.850 --> 00:14:03.409young lady, young unmarried, onbirth control. Well, she's clearing new20000:14:03.730 --> 00:14:09.210not following God in terms of sexualpurity. So having that Gospel discussion is20100:14:09.250 --> 00:14:11.320always important. Yeah, absolutely,and this is got to be done,20200:14:13.080 --> 00:14:15.440you know, forthright, but agracious way. Right, is coming to20300:14:15.480 --> 00:14:16.720CASS as condemn me. Well,yeah, should we have a birth control20400:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.080because you're a fornicator? Yeah,right, there's a nice way to say20500:14:20.120 --> 00:14:24.870that. Yeah, we need tobring God's truth into the equation. God's20600:14:24.950 --> 00:14:30.110truth is best always, no matterwhat modern society says. And so yeah,20700:14:30.190 --> 00:14:33.590talking about that, and of courseI believe this is more appropriately a20800:14:33.830 --> 00:14:37.149woman to woman discussion. Yeah,although as a man, as a pastor,20900:14:37.269 --> 00:14:39.740I can certainly address things in thatlevel. Yeah, yeah, yeah,21000:14:39.740 --> 00:14:43.179you got to address that issue.Yeah, sure. Well, and21100:14:43.259 --> 00:14:46.580when she when someone is broken,we never want to heap sorrow Pon sorrow.21200:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.700You have said that. I thinkthat that's really, really good advice.21300:14:50.139 --> 00:14:54.090But the the flip side of thatis when someone is broken. They21400:14:54.169 --> 00:14:58.490know they're broken, they know thatthey are in a terrible mess and their21500:14:58.570 --> 00:15:03.570receptive, hey, how do Inot get in this mess again? And21600:15:03.730 --> 00:15:05.730that was where we were able tostart with her shore and we gave her21700:15:07.090 --> 00:15:09.440a sweatshirt and a ride to thehospital. So she was open to hearing21800:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.159what these kind people had to sayabout God. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.21900:15:15.240 --> 00:15:18.639Yeah, but there are other youknow, there certainly are other things22000:15:18.799 --> 00:15:24.629that we offered her and that wecould offer to anyone in those situations.22100:15:24.750 --> 00:15:30.909So, first of all, lettingthem know that birth control that is given22200:15:30.950 --> 00:15:35.899by plan parenthood is can often causeabortions. Yeah, and many people don't22300:15:35.899 --> 00:15:41.860know that. Yeah. So educatingthe people coming in, because some of22400:15:41.899 --> 00:15:43.659them, as they're walking in,that's all they're there for. They're just22500:15:43.820 --> 00:15:48.419there for birth control, and that'sone of the things you can call out.22600:15:48.460 --> 00:15:52.049Did you know that this place doesabortions? They almost always say yes,22700:15:52.090 --> 00:15:56.690let me and then. So somethingelse that you can offer is community22800:15:56.809 --> 00:16:02.330health centers, yeah, that dothat service, you know, less expensively.22900:16:02.370 --> 00:16:04.600Yeah, and you know, Iwill mention if I'm at a plan23000:16:04.759 --> 00:16:10.000parenthood I'm having a conversation with amom or dad going in and they'll say,23100:16:10.039 --> 00:16:11.200often times, well, I'm nothere for that, right. You23200:16:11.279 --> 00:16:15.480know they want to distance themselves fromabortion. Yeah, they do, and23300:16:15.559 --> 00:16:18.590they're all ask them. Yeah,if I can pick upon that, I'll23400:16:18.590 --> 00:16:19.830ask them. So, so,what do you think about the fact that23500:16:19.909 --> 00:16:23.669plan parenthood does abortions? And oftentimes they'll say, well, I don't23600:16:23.669 --> 00:16:27.190like it, and I will actuallygive them the analogy that I just gave23700:16:27.230 --> 00:16:30.470you guys at the very beginning.Yeah, I'll say, well, what23800:16:30.590 --> 00:16:33.100if I offered you a pan ofbrownies? It? You know, I23900:16:33.220 --> 00:16:36.899just cooked real nice and use thebest chocolate I could, but I missed24000:16:37.019 --> 00:16:38.059mix a little bit of dog poopin it. Would you eat them?24100:16:38.220 --> 00:16:41.740Yeah, and of course they're goingto say no way. I say that's24200:16:41.779 --> 00:16:45.980plan parenthood. It's up, it'seven worse. Yeah, they're doing other24300:16:45.179 --> 00:16:49.210things for you at a low cause, but they're killing babies inside of that24400:16:49.330 --> 00:16:52.929place. Yeah, you don't reallywant to have any association with that,24500:16:52.129 --> 00:16:57.289do you? And then I willpoint them to a pregnancy center that can24600:16:57.529 --> 00:17:02.440often times do everything that plant parenthoodis offering, except for a whole lot24700:17:02.519 --> 00:17:04.200cheaper. Right, and the questionmight be, well, why didn't they24800:17:04.240 --> 00:17:07.279get there in the first place.Well, a lot of times because they24900:17:07.279 --> 00:17:11.359don't hear about its. Pregnancy centershave a hard time competing. I mean25000:17:11.920 --> 00:17:17.990pregnancy centers are nonprofit, locally supportedorganizations normally. Yeah, and thank God,25100:17:18.230 --> 00:17:21.349you know, for the fact thatchurches and individual support them, but25200:17:21.509 --> 00:17:26.430for them to bring in enough moneyto compete with plant parenthood in the Google25300:17:26.589 --> 00:17:30.500space is like almost impossible, right, because plan parenthood is porn you know,25400:17:30.619 --> 00:17:36.220I don't know, probably naturally millionsof dollars into Google, maybe even25500:17:36.220 --> 00:17:40.420every month. Yeah, to getthose words that like free pregnancy tests and25600:17:40.420 --> 00:17:45.009ultrasound of that stuff, to getthose key words, as for their links25700:17:45.089 --> 00:17:47.890to pop up when people search thekey words. Yeah, so all these25800:17:47.930 --> 00:17:51.569women don't know about the pregnancy sentthey don't. And now the the pregnancy25900:17:51.650 --> 00:17:55.930centers. Many of them are Christianand many of them do not provide birth26000:17:56.009 --> 00:18:00.160control, counseling there or birth control. Yeah, so that's why it's so26100:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.079good to have as big a listas you can have of low cost community26200:18:04.240 --> 00:18:10.200centers, because they will provide birthcontrol. And we could do, we26300:18:10.440 --> 00:18:14.549probably should do at some point ayou know, a podcast about birth control.26400:18:14.670 --> 00:18:18.069There are so many different feelings aboutit. For sure, we would26500:18:18.069 --> 00:18:22.869not support the the pill because itcan cause abortion, or the iud both26600:18:22.950 --> 00:18:26.980of those can. But but thereare other forms of birth control and and26700:18:27.140 --> 00:18:33.660there are community resource centers that thatwill provide that, other community health centers,26800:18:33.700 --> 00:18:38.700yeah, that that will provide that. So so knowing, knowing those26900:18:38.900 --> 00:18:45.210and offering those is a way todeal with these women that are going in.27000:18:45.369 --> 00:18:48.690And your point that I love tellingthem the story that you tell them27100:18:48.690 --> 00:18:53.250because it makes it real. Yeah, but also almost all of them say,27200:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.039really, there's other places where wecould go, and we give out27300:19:00.119 --> 00:19:03.839twenty pieces of literature when we're therebecause they want to know there are other27400:19:04.000 --> 00:19:08.680low cost there are people that goto plan parenthood because there's just nothing else,27500:19:08.720 --> 00:19:14.430yeah, available for them. Soanyway, the second group that we27600:19:14.549 --> 00:19:18.109see out there the abortion workers,and those aren't moms going in and out27700:19:18.390 --> 00:19:21.829or men going in and out,but it's people who work there. Yeah,27800:19:21.990 --> 00:19:25.259and what do we do with them? But can we call out to27900:19:25.339 --> 00:19:27.779them? Yeah, so of courseyou have that at every abortion center,28000:19:27.900 --> 00:19:33.220not just a plant parent who's youknow these we certainly deal with abortion workers28100:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.740here at the latrobe abortion center andagain, they're not a priority for us.28200:19:37.140 --> 00:19:41.529It's not that God doesn't love themequally. He loves them just like28300:19:41.650 --> 00:19:45.529he loves the MOM's going in.Yeah, but for the MOMS and the28400:19:45.569 --> 00:19:48.769babies that they carry, it's likeone emergency, like there's a sense of28500:19:48.849 --> 00:19:53.039urgency. Yeah, certainly for theseabortion workers there's this, least in some28600:19:53.160 --> 00:19:56.839measure, a sense of urgency thatthey need to get out of this industry28700:19:56.839 --> 00:20:00.359or there they become more and moreengulfed in this spirit of death. But28800:20:00.440 --> 00:20:03.440some of the things, of course, we'll call it to them, is28900:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.990always will say God's made you forso much more than this. That's a29000:20:07.029 --> 00:20:08.950good line. That's one of thethings that I will say. God has29100:20:10.029 --> 00:20:12.430given you the skills as a nurse. I'll say this to the doctors as29200:20:12.470 --> 00:20:18.150well. God has given you theskills as a doctor, and now you're29300:20:18.150 --> 00:20:22.500using those those skills to destroy liferather than to protect life. God has29400:20:22.619 --> 00:20:25.539so much more for you than this. Yeah, and then, of course29500:20:25.579 --> 00:20:30.339you want to sting their conscience andnot back away from the fact that abortion29600:20:30.420 --> 00:20:33.660is murdered. And so I willwarn them, you know, if you29700:20:33.819 --> 00:20:36.769take part in the shedding of innocentblood, the Bible says that you will29800:20:36.769 --> 00:20:41.289reput you so and just call themto repent style taking part and what's going29900:20:41.369 --> 00:20:45.369on inside of there. Yeah,yeah, and then as a resource we30000:20:45.490 --> 00:20:52.240will point them to abortion and WORKERCOM. We don't have the manpower and really30100:20:52.319 --> 00:20:56.440the the the calling in the focusto be able to get them a job30200:20:56.559 --> 00:21:00.920and we have helped some local abortionworkers get better jobs and things like that.30300:21:00.119 --> 00:21:03.869We've seen, what is it,twenty six over the past two years30400:21:03.910 --> 00:21:08.190or so as love life. Ithink locally we've seen eighteen to maybe twenty.30500:21:08.269 --> 00:21:11.309Yeah, those are the ones thatcontact us. Yeah, I mean30600:21:11.349 --> 00:21:14.750there's plenty that have left. We'resure that haven't contacted. Yes, yeah,30700:21:15.190 --> 00:21:18.069yeah, actually, our friends withone of the ladies that used to30800:21:18.430 --> 00:21:22.940run the front desk and she's starteda catering business and yeah, has cater30900:21:22.099 --> 00:21:26.259sir. Yeah, okate, he'scatered some of our meetings right's been really31000:21:26.299 --> 00:21:30.700cool. But we want to pointthem toward, if we can get them,31100:21:30.779 --> 00:21:33.849local resources, but if we can't, we point them to abortion workercom,31200:21:34.009 --> 00:21:37.849who has a programmed to get thesefolks, mostly women, out of31300:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.970the abortion industry. Right, andso we call that out. We have31400:21:41.250 --> 00:21:45.329actually little business cards. It's aabortion workercom on them, hand them to31500:21:45.369 --> 00:21:48.480them if we're able to do that, and that's kind of how we do31600:21:48.640 --> 00:21:52.799with that. Yeah, we've hadabortion workers leave on it's not common,31700:21:52.880 --> 00:21:56.039but the leave and come to usin tier saying I have to leave this31800:21:56.200 --> 00:22:00.470place and we'll hand them the card. And that's happy Johnson's Ministry of former31900:22:00.549 --> 00:22:04.269planned parenthood manager, and it isa it. They know what they're doing32000:22:04.470 --> 00:22:10.069with the abortion workers. So wewe kind of touched on the this a32100:22:10.069 --> 00:22:12.269little bit. Women coming for lowcost pregnancy test or I'll sounds. I32200:22:12.349 --> 00:22:18.140do want to point out. Andthen what you talked about with the pregnancy32300:22:18.220 --> 00:22:21.500resource centers. Yeah, that's theperfect resource to point them too. Yeah,32400:22:21.859 --> 00:22:25.500and they're often they're they're lower onthe list. If you Google the32500:22:25.660 --> 00:22:27.819first time kid is going to beplan parenthood or an abortion center. And32600:22:27.980 --> 00:22:32.650I know for a fact, becauseI've talked with the women at coming out32700:22:32.690 --> 00:22:38.250of the LATROBA abortion center, thatthey are lured in there by free pregnancy32800:22:38.369 --> 00:22:42.809test and what they've told me isthat, yes, the pregnancy test is32900:22:44.049 --> 00:22:47.839free, but if you want theresults you have to pay fifteen dollars.33000:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.359Yeah, so, I mean howdeceptive is that? And the ultrasounds at33100:22:52.720 --> 00:22:59.390now I don't know what what planparenthood charges, but but at latrobe facility33200:22:59.470 --> 00:23:02.829they say the ultrasounds are free.Yeah, if you get the abortion.33300:23:02.869 --> 00:23:06.230Yeah, but if you don't getthe abortion, then you pay a lot33400:23:06.269 --> 00:23:10.269of money for the but they don'ttell you that it. But they lure33500:23:10.470 --> 00:23:14.819they lure them in and don't tellthem what that what really the bottom line33600:23:14.859 --> 00:23:18.579is this is only if you it'sfree, only if if you didn't have.33700:23:18.700 --> 00:23:22.980That basically works is when a womancomes into the abortion center, she33800:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.099checks in, was the first thingthey asked for. They want your ID33900:23:26.329 --> 00:23:30.609and your form of payment and they'reasking her say, what procedure are you?34000:23:32.130 --> 00:23:34.210How far along are you? Andthen what procedure are you considering?34100:23:34.250 --> 00:23:37.250If they say something like well,I'm not exactly sure if I want to34200:23:37.250 --> 00:23:40.690get through the abortion or not.I want to get the ultrasound first,34300:23:41.289 --> 00:23:42.960then they'll get them to go aheadand pay a hundred and eighty five dollars34400:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.599because they have to have blood workand an ultrasu now taken back for the34500:23:47.640 --> 00:23:49.920ultrasound. And if they are saying, well, I'm not sure I want34600:23:49.920 --> 00:23:52.359to do this, then they saywell, you've already paid one hundred and34700:23:52.359 --> 00:23:56.670eighty five dollars and we can't refundthat. So all you have to pay34800:23:56.829 --> 00:24:02.829is another two hundred and fifteen dollars, three hundred whatever dollars, and we34900:24:02.869 --> 00:24:06.029can go and take care of this. They get that hook in them.35000:24:06.069 --> 00:24:11.660Yeah, and they because they're abusiness that makes money off of killing children,35100:24:11.180 --> 00:24:15.140they convince women who are not completelysure that they want to have an35200:24:15.140 --> 00:24:18.339abortion. This notion that people cometo an abortion center and they already have35300:24:18.420 --> 00:24:22.420their minds made up is such afalse notion, it is so untrue.35400:24:22.539 --> 00:24:25.529Yeah, and and so again theytry to get their hook in them.35500:24:25.569 --> 00:24:30.250They bring them in with this freeor low cost ultrasound. In comparison it35600:24:30.329 --> 00:24:33.769is pretty low cast a hundred eightyfive dollars is pretty cheap compared to go35700:24:33.849 --> 00:24:37.089into an Obie doctor where it's like, I don't know, three four hundred35800:24:37.089 --> 00:24:41.319dollars. Yeah, but there's freeones through us at are at our mobile35900:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.839ultrasound unit, or through local pregnancyresearch centers. The the pregnancy test and36000:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.069the ultrasound is free, and itastonishes me that so many women don't know36100:24:52.230 --> 00:24:57.390that, but they don't. Sooffering that in it again if they're there,36200:24:57.950 --> 00:25:03.230if they're low income, unmarried,which many of them are, and36300:25:03.269 --> 00:25:08.140they're coming for low cost pregnancy testerand ultrasound, their abortion vulner yeah,36400:25:08.420 --> 00:25:11.579that, no matter where you are, they are abortion vulnerable. Yeah,36500:25:11.740 --> 00:25:18.940and so sharing the Gospel again,always, always, something that even even36600:25:18.019 --> 00:25:22.289these people that aren't there for anabortion now, will always give them the36700:25:22.369 --> 00:25:30.009literature and the way that we kindof gently suggest that they take that literature36800:25:30.049 --> 00:25:33.049is maybe you have a friend,or you will have a friend one day36900:25:33.529 --> 00:25:37.880who is considering abortion and it wouldjust be good our name and numbers on37000:25:37.960 --> 00:25:41.599this and you've got the information.Yeah. So we deal with them actually37100:25:41.640 --> 00:25:45.039not all that differently from the womencoming in for an abortion. We still37200:25:45.039 --> 00:25:51.150get them information, we still tryto share sexual purity message in the Gospel37300:25:51.710 --> 00:25:56.069and then we point them to localresources that don't kill babies. Yeah,37400:25:56.509 --> 00:25:59.069that's why it's good to have likewe have on our brochures, on the37500:25:59.150 --> 00:26:03.109back of our brochure, a listof local pregnancy centers. Yeah, if37600:26:03.150 --> 00:26:07.099you don't have that and you've gotsome literature that you hand out, then37700:26:07.380 --> 00:26:11.140make a list of local pregnancy centers. Yeah, doom on, you know,37800:26:11.339 --> 00:26:15.579just regular old paper printed out onyour printer if you have to slip37900:26:15.660 --> 00:26:18.930it in your literature. Yeah,makeup stickers. I mean there's so many38000:26:19.049 --> 00:26:23.569things out there vista print. Youcan print stuff really cheap on vista print.38100:26:25.130 --> 00:26:27.130Make up something that looks good asa sticker. Stick it on the38200:26:27.170 --> 00:26:33.359back of your literature. Make upsomething the card or something. Yeah,38300:26:33.400 --> 00:26:37.759I can hand them to I know. I would suggest actually, if there's38400:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.720a pregnancy center not far from theplant painter to where you're reaching out at,38500:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.000just make up a car, aswill actually Elijah has at the window38600:26:45.039 --> 00:26:49.150abortion center, because the mobile unitthe window over clinic is not far from38700:26:49.150 --> 00:26:52.150the latrobe clinic and we have themobile unit the latrobe clinic. Right.38800:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.309He just made up a car thathas a map that shows them how to38900:26:56.390 --> 00:26:59.990get here, with directions on thebottom, you know, written out directions,39000:27:00.029 --> 00:27:02.420but also a map that shows themhow to get here to the mobile39100:27:02.460 --> 00:27:04.660unit, not to abortion clinic,but to the mobile unit. English on39200:27:04.740 --> 00:27:08.019one side, Spanish on the otherside. Hey, there's a mobile unit39300:27:08.420 --> 00:27:11.859that will give you a free ultrasoundpregnancy test five minute. Five minutes away39400:27:11.859 --> 00:27:15.609from here, however, for itis away for you guys, and hand39500:27:15.650 --> 00:27:18.769it to them. Yeah, andturn them away from, yeah, from39600:27:18.849 --> 00:27:22.130that place. Yeah, and anotherpiece of good practical advices. If you've39700:27:22.130 --> 00:27:26.329got someone who is there for anultrasound and they tell you they're there,39800:27:26.410 --> 00:27:32.799they're only for an ultrasound, thento offered to call while they're standing in39900:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.799front of you, call a pregnancyresource center, because then then you keep40000:27:37.839 --> 00:27:41.000the more you can keep them fromgoing in that place that also does abortions,40100:27:41.039 --> 00:27:45.549the better off for the baby andfor that woman. Yeah. So,40200:27:45.789 --> 00:27:48.069and if you call a pregnancy resourcecenter and say I am standing in40300:27:48.309 --> 00:27:52.869front of an abortion center, you'vejust cued them in. This is someone40400:27:52.869 --> 00:27:57.109who is abortion vulnerable and and theywill often move mountains to get them in40500:27:57.150 --> 00:28:00.660there quickly. Yeah, so whos? I think is a point that needs40600:28:00.700 --> 00:28:04.339to be made, also, askind of a side note, that building,40700:28:04.380 --> 00:28:07.579if you're going to be out anabortion center, building a good relationship40800:28:07.619 --> 00:28:11.859with your local pregnancy center is reallyimportant. Yeah, we can probably do40900:28:12.170 --> 00:28:17.849a pot podcast about pregnancy centers andsome of the differences, because there certainly41000:28:17.890 --> 00:28:21.410are some differences depending on the pregnancycenter. And we did a podcast,41100:28:21.450 --> 00:28:25.130or I did a podcast interview withTara Quinn right who's with help pregnancy center41200:28:25.170 --> 00:28:29.480that we partner with here locally,who's just awesome. They're very unusual.41300:28:29.519 --> 00:28:33.960Yeah, they are very unusual inthe pregnancy center world in that they're a41400:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.480little more fourth right about abortion beingmurder, but they do it in a41500:28:37.519 --> 00:28:41.029gracious way, more a little moreforth right with the Gospel. Yeah,41600:28:41.869 --> 00:28:45.349then some are. Yeah, andso again, we could probably do a41700:28:45.390 --> 00:28:48.509whole podcast about some of the differencesand some of the things that you need41800:28:48.589 --> 00:28:53.150to be aware of. But stillyet building that relationship with your local pregnancy41900:28:53.190 --> 00:28:56.460center is important. And let's say, because I've heard from a lot of42000:28:56.500 --> 00:29:00.500people, well, they don't sharethe Gospel or they whatever, whatever.42100:29:02.059 --> 00:29:04.700Well, if they don't share theGospel, you don't do ultrasounds, right,42200:29:06.099 --> 00:29:07.779right, you know? Yeah,yeah, well, you share the42300:29:07.819 --> 00:29:11.250Gospel. Yeah, if you'RE gonnapoint a woman in that direction, then42400:29:11.450 --> 00:29:14.849get her phone number, get hercontact info right, follow up with her.42500:29:14.890 --> 00:29:18.250You share the Gospel then. Yeah, and let them do the ultrasound.42600:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.049Let them do the ultrasound stuff,the medical stuff. Yeah, and42700:29:21.170 --> 00:29:22.890you do the follow up as faras discipleship and that sort of thing.42800:29:23.250 --> 00:29:26.519Yeah, and you know they're notgoing into a place that it's going to42900:29:26.559 --> 00:29:29.519be talking them into an abortion.See you have time. You Time to43000:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.960share the Gospel. Absolutely after they'redone with the ultrasound. You may not43100:29:33.119 --> 00:29:36.519have that if they walk into theplan parenthood or into any abortion center,43200:29:36.839 --> 00:29:41.029because they may be talked into immediately. Yeah, can absolutely, and having43300:29:41.029 --> 00:29:45.630a good relationship with your pregnancy center, even in spite of differences, can43400:29:45.750 --> 00:29:48.509really go a long way so thatwhen you're out there standing in front of43500:29:48.509 --> 00:29:52.380the plan parenthood and you've got ayoung lady who's abortion minded, who's considering43600:29:52.460 --> 00:29:56.220going to that place, if youcan call ahead, like you mentioned,43700:29:56.420 --> 00:30:00.339yeah, it goes a long wayto just kind of that handoff process let43800:30:00.339 --> 00:30:06.059her know they're waiting on you.You know they're expecting you. Some pregnancy43900:30:06.099 --> 00:30:11.009centers a little weird where they mightwant to talk to her before they set44000:30:11.049 --> 00:30:15.089any kind of appointment. Just fine, maybe you can hand the phone to44100:30:15.130 --> 00:30:18.170her or whatever, but calling aheadis helpful and it does help if you44200:30:18.250 --> 00:30:22.119have a relationship. You know,we've got kind of an end with all44300:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.200the pregnancy centers around here. Weknow the directors and stuff. We can44400:30:26.200 --> 00:30:29.039get on the phone with them directlyyes, say we've got somebody coming.44500:30:29.119 --> 00:30:32.279Can you make room. Yeah,and so again that goes a long way.44600:30:32.319 --> 00:30:37.910That relationship does absolutely and that's really, really an important resource. So44700:30:37.109 --> 00:30:41.549women coming for PAP SMEARS, STDtesting or other health issues. We've talked44800:30:41.549 --> 00:30:45.029specifically about kind of the birth controlissues, but they come for other health44900:30:45.069 --> 00:30:49.019issues as well, and this iswomen, not men yet. We'll get45000:30:49.059 --> 00:30:53.420to that last. But so again, we use a lot of the same45100:30:53.460 --> 00:30:59.059strategy speaking to them as we've aswe've already mentioned. Yeah, and I45200:30:59.099 --> 00:31:00.460don't think there's a whole lot moreto say about that one. Yeah,45300:31:00.900 --> 00:31:04.250except you know, there are somepregnancy centers, actually one of the ones45400:31:04.250 --> 00:31:10.410here, actually a couple of theones here in Charlotte, the prolife pregnancy45500:31:10.450 --> 00:31:12.730centers, do std testing and stufflike that. Okay, that's good to45600:31:12.809 --> 00:31:15.890know. So that's good to know. It's good to know if you have45700:31:15.930 --> 00:31:18.680a good relationship with your pregnancy center, you know the stuff that they offer45800:31:18.759 --> 00:31:22.559and you can point these women inthe right direction. But many of the45900:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.440pregnancy centers won't do like a PAPsmear and stuff like that. But there46000:31:25.480 --> 00:31:30.000are places that will. Their communitycenters that I mean, they're not Gospel46100:31:30.000 --> 00:31:32.759centered, they're just government entity.Some of them. Some of them are,46200:31:33.150 --> 00:31:37.309you know, nonprofits or whatever,but they're far better than plan parenthood46300:31:37.470 --> 00:31:40.990exactly. They're not doing abortions.Yeah, that's the critical, key point.46400:31:41.109 --> 00:31:44.710It's I can get them someplace thatdoesn't do abortions, you've got a46500:31:44.829 --> 00:31:49.420shot at continuing to disciple her andhave that baby continued to be safe if46600:31:49.500 --> 00:31:52.700she's pregnant. And I would sayif you're seeing patterns, like you're out46700:31:52.700 --> 00:31:56.539there, reach down on a regularbasis and you're seeing patterns of people that46800:31:56.579 --> 00:32:00.500are coming for paps, mirrors orSTD testing or whatever. Yeah, then46900:32:00.500 --> 00:32:04.329the things that you see a patternof, yeah, then compile a list47000:32:04.410 --> 00:32:07.049of resources for that particular thing.So, again, you're seeing people coming47100:32:07.210 --> 00:32:12.529a regular basis for STD testing,get a list of three or four places,47200:32:12.849 --> 00:32:15.609yeah, that do that, soyou can point them in that direction,47300:32:15.759 --> 00:32:17.440hand them that list. Maybe,again, it's a compiled list of47400:32:17.519 --> 00:32:22.039all the resources that you've compiled.I'd say the best you cannot just overwhelm47500:32:22.079 --> 00:32:27.119them with so much stuff. Yeah, is good, but yeah, so47600:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.349little pamphlet or something like that youcan hand them, give them directions to47700:32:30.430 --> 00:32:34.029the place to get them away fromthere can be really helpful getting them getting47800:32:34.069 --> 00:32:37.829them away from going in to aplace that kills children from. Yeah.47900:32:37.990 --> 00:32:42.869Yeah, so the last major group, which was the one that kind of48000:32:43.230 --> 00:32:47.019sparked this whole podcast for me becauseI was kind of lost. And how48100:32:47.059 --> 00:32:51.900do I respond to this, wasa young man who, well, there48200:32:51.940 --> 00:32:54.099were a few. This happened severaltimes, but the one in particular,48300:32:54.299 --> 00:32:59.049it was a young man going inand then coming out. In both cases48400:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.049I didn't realize it was a manuntil he was close. I thought it48500:33:05.130 --> 00:33:09.849was a woman. Yeah, becausethis was someone transition, a transgender person,48600:33:10.130 --> 00:33:14.839who who I called out and saidHey, we can help you,48700:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.960thinking it's a woman, and ashe approaches he said, I don't think48800:33:17.960 --> 00:33:22.640you can help me with my issues. Yeah, and then I realized,48900:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.750Oh, it's a man, andand he said I'm I'm here for hormone49000:33:27.789 --> 00:33:32.509therapy. Yeah, and so Ijust really kind of was at a loss.49100:33:32.549 --> 00:33:36.509I had never dealt with that,never that was my first time.49200:33:36.789 --> 00:33:40.700Yeah, and what I did dowas just instantly this is where I always49300:33:40.859 --> 00:33:45.339go. As I talked about that, we were all loved because we are49400:33:45.380 --> 00:33:50.779all created in the image of aholy God, and focusing on the image49500:33:50.819 --> 00:33:53.380of God and Shared The Gospel.He was not terribly receptive. He got49600:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.569back in his car and said Planparenthood really understand lgbtq people. Yeah,49700:33:59.650 --> 00:34:04.730and transgender people, and that reallystruck me. First of all his clear49800:34:04.769 --> 00:34:07.250unhappiness, and I thought after hehad left, I should have said something49900:34:07.409 --> 00:34:13.559like are you conte hand, andbecause I do know enough about the transgender50000:34:14.639 --> 00:34:17.519movement that these people have a very, very high rate of suicide, very50100:34:17.639 --> 00:34:23.789unhappy, varied, they're never athome. Yeah, in even following surgery.50200:34:23.949 --> 00:34:28.590And and the doctor friend that waswith me in fact verified that.50300:34:28.829 --> 00:34:32.389She said that her son is aDr Johns Hopkins, and they had studied50400:34:32.469 --> 00:34:39.579and done the surgery, surgical interventionfor people transitioning from one gender to another50500:34:39.820 --> 00:34:44.900for twenty years. And what theyand they did all kinds of research during50600:34:44.940 --> 00:34:51.219that time and found that the suiciderate prior to the surgery is about forty50700:34:51.380 --> 00:34:55.090percent. It's really high. Andthen they they did twenty years of study50800:34:55.170 --> 00:35:01.170of these people following the surgery andthe suicide rate was unchanged. Yeah,50900:35:01.369 --> 00:35:05.289so they stopped doing them because theysaid, what are we doing? We're51000:35:05.289 --> 00:35:12.800doing these very disfiguring, irreversible surgerieswith all the risks involved and it's not51100:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.639helping. They're still suicidal. Soso that says a lot. But but51200:35:19.599 --> 00:35:24.670the when I did some research onthis, I really found that the church51300:35:24.829 --> 00:35:30.469maybe is not responding as well asit shoulder could be. It can be51400:35:30.630 --> 00:35:36.179very condemning without understanding. So wejust wanted to give you all and we51500:35:36.500 --> 00:35:43.860have an article that is accompanying thispodcast and we've put some links on maybe51600:35:43.940 --> 00:35:51.050some ways that you can gracious,gracefully and graciously approach this issue. But51700:35:51.690 --> 00:35:55.769but one of the things in listeningto people who came out of the transgender51800:35:58.010 --> 00:36:02.969movement started off maybe even did thesurgery, and I did hear a podcast51900:36:04.090 --> 00:36:07.960with one of those women speaking whohad been transgendered as a man for nine52000:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.920years and what brought her back wasthe gospel. Well, and she said52100:36:15.079 --> 00:36:21.670despite all the anger and hatred thatshe expressed to her mother or others who52200:36:21.789 --> 00:36:29.309tried to keep pointing her back toher identity in Christ and the importance of52300:36:29.429 --> 00:36:34.260that and the truth of the Gospel, she said You may think you're not52400:36:34.380 --> 00:36:37.500making an impact because she said shewould just scream and storm away. She52500:36:37.579 --> 00:36:42.500said those words never left. Theword of God does not return void and52600:36:42.659 --> 00:36:49.489she said don't, don't abandon theGospel, but she gave some advice in52700:36:50.289 --> 00:36:55.170kind of some strategies so that thatGospel could be more easily received. Yeah,52800:36:55.489 --> 00:37:00.880okay, and so I think Iwrote down some of what those main52900:37:01.000 --> 00:37:08.280points are. One one of themwas was really that that you first listen,53000:37:08.800 --> 00:37:16.949just listen, understand their world,because these people are very largely insignificant53100:37:16.989 --> 00:37:22.829pain and if they don't feel youtruly understand the pain that they're in,53200:37:23.070 --> 00:37:29.269that it. You know, youcan't just introduce well, God can change53300:37:29.269 --> 00:37:34.460everything and you know just you know, grow up or whatever. Yeah,53400:37:34.539 --> 00:37:37.940that is not going to be wellreceived and they're going to reject it.53500:37:37.300 --> 00:37:43.179Yeah. So so listen and andthen I think you are the one,53600:37:43.219 --> 00:37:47.289Daniel, that that suggested some ofthe things that we wrote down as kind53700:37:47.289 --> 00:37:52.289of bullet points. On some things, you could say like I I didn't53800:37:52.329 --> 00:37:59.079even realize the risks of form ontherapy. Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah.53900:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.840I think pointing them to resources thatcan speak the truth, and this54000:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.639is from the Mayo Clinic, thislink that you actually have in the article54100:38:07.719 --> 00:38:08.599here. Yeah, we're not goingto, yes, bound too much on54200:38:08.719 --> 00:38:13.269this, guys, because you canget the article and sidewalks for lifecom yeah,54300:38:14.389 --> 00:38:16.869but yeah, I mean talking abouthow these there's risks involved. This54400:38:16.989 --> 00:38:21.909home hormone therapyst people think that they'redoing the best because, you know,54500:38:21.949 --> 00:38:28.260after all, we're trying to affirm. That's a word that folks that push54600:38:28.380 --> 00:38:31.739this movement always use as affirming.Want to be affirming. Yeah, but54700:38:31.860 --> 00:38:37.780if you're affirming someone and doing somethingthat's destructive to them, yeah, then54800:38:37.820 --> 00:38:40.219you're not being helpful. That's like, yeah, you know best example I54900:38:40.260 --> 00:38:44.010can think of the top of myhead, if somebody you, you're at55000:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010the bar, which wouldn't be ifyou're a Christian, but before you were55100:38:46.010 --> 00:38:50.489a Christian, at the bar withone of your friends. He's had a55200:38:50.530 --> 00:38:53.329little too much to drink, orhe or she walk into the door of55300:38:53.409 --> 00:38:57.559the bar with their keys in theirhand. Are you going to affirm that?55400:38:57.920 --> 00:38:59.920You want to affirm them. Right, Hey, you could pat them55500:38:59.960 --> 00:39:01.880on about how you're a good driver, and they're saying, I feel fine,55600:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.360I can drive, I'm perfectly fine. So their feelings, you're saying55700:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.679it's it, I can do thisright, don't judge me. After all,55800:39:08.719 --> 00:39:12.070aren't you supposed to? I meanyou, my friend, would you55900:39:12.110 --> 00:39:15.829judge me, did you, whenyou want me to feel like I want56000:39:15.829 --> 00:39:22.710to feel in my own body.Right, and sometimes affirmation of destructive behavior56100:39:23.659 --> 00:39:28.179is actually involvement in that a thatdestructive behavior. We need to speak out56200:39:28.179 --> 00:39:30.380against it. We could do itgraciously and we can do it with,56300:39:31.699 --> 00:39:36.739you know, with the grace ofGod. Yeah, but we shouldn't affirm56400:39:36.820 --> 00:39:39.210things that are destructive to people.Anyway. This article in the Mayo Clinic56500:39:39.570 --> 00:39:45.010on the Mayo Clinic Dot Org websitewill talk about that, right, and56600:39:45.210 --> 00:39:49.409there's other articles. There's a testimonywe have a link to on this article56700:39:49.449 --> 00:39:52.119that should be able to just watchthis testimony. Testimonies are powerful in any56800:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.559area. Yeah, always encourage you. If you have a testimony. Maybe56900:39:55.559 --> 00:40:01.960you know a friend who was atransgender person and got saved and God turn57000:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.480their life right side up. Sharethat testimony. Maybe you're a person like57100:40:06.719 --> 00:40:09.510like that. Or maybe this testimonythat we have listed here and there's other57200:40:09.590 --> 00:40:15.030testimonies of people that have gone throughthat and the Lord just turn their life57300:40:15.030 --> 00:40:20.869right set up. Share those testimonies. Yeah, but you know, ultimately,57400:40:20.869 --> 00:40:22.699I would say ministering to these peoplethe Gospel is the most important thing.57500:40:23.019 --> 00:40:28.139It really is. And and thecase study that I heard on the57600:40:28.340 --> 00:40:30.619link that I gave you, thatwas what she said, that that was57700:40:30.860 --> 00:40:36.329what turned everything around. Yeah,for her was she and it took nine57800:40:36.369 --> 00:40:40.050years and she went through all thesurgeries and and she made the point that57900:40:40.610 --> 00:40:45.969she was. She awoke from thesurgery thinking this. It kept that.58000:40:45.289 --> 00:40:51.360She you kept having to go moreand more extreme and how to deal with58100:40:51.679 --> 00:40:57.760the gender dysphoria, and she keptthinking this next step is first hormone therapy58200:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.199and then I'll feel better. Andthen, when she didn't, she said,58300:41:00.239 --> 00:41:01.559well, now there's surgeries and thenI'll feel better. And she woke58400:41:01.599 --> 00:41:06.750up from the surgery and it wasalmost instantaneous. She said, I feel58500:41:06.789 --> 00:41:10.190the same, I'm not this isnot right, I'm not who I'm supposed58600:41:10.190 --> 00:41:15.230to be. And ultimately came towhat I love the line she said finding58700:41:15.349 --> 00:41:20.300her identity in Christ, because thisis an identity. It's sexual identity,58800:41:20.380 --> 00:41:24.300but it's your identity. Where doesthat lie? And ultimately it lies in58900:41:24.420 --> 00:41:30.380Christ and Christ alone. Yeah,yeah, yeah, Amen. Well,59000:41:30.420 --> 00:41:31.969guys, we hope this podcast wasa blessing to you. We hope it59100:41:32.050 --> 00:41:37.889equipped you, guys, to beingeffect the voice with people who are not59200:41:37.090 --> 00:41:42.449necessarily abortion minded, so that youcan focus on those who are abortion minded.59300:41:42.530 --> 00:41:45.610Of course we've done many podcast aboutthat, will continue to do podcast59400:41:45.690 --> 00:41:50.599about that and we may even,at some point in the future break down59500:41:50.639 --> 00:41:53.800some of these subjects individually new separatepodcast about them. But for now we59600:41:54.159 --> 00:41:57.440just hope this will be a blessingyou, guys. As always, you59700:41:57.440 --> 00:42:00.519can reach out to me, Danielat Love Life Dot Org. You reach59800:42:00.559 --> 00:42:02.909out to her, Vicky at LoveLife Dot Org. Check out our sidewalks59900:42:02.909 --> 00:42:07.429for life website. This article shouldbe up as this podcast come out comes60000:42:07.469 --> 00:42:10.909out, and I think it'll bea blessing to you guys. Or some60100:42:10.949 --> 00:42:15.659of those links that we talked about. And think until next time we'll wrap60200:42:15.780 --> 00:42:29.380this thing up and God bless giveme our love for love, give me60300:42:30.130 --> 00:42:42.369our love for gratitude. I knowit will cost me my life. Nothing's60400:42:42.530 --> 00:42:45.119too precious in some you