Strategic Camera Use In Sidewalk Ministry

WEBVTT100:00:00.640 --> 00:00:07.719I'm yours, I'm yours, I'myours. And Me, Lord, I'm200:00:07.799 --> 00:00:13.359yours, I'm yours. I'm welcometo the Gospel centered pro life podcast,300:00:13.400 --> 00:00:18.719a podcast designed to equip, encourageand challenge you in pro life ministry,400:00:19.079 --> 00:00:25.440and always with a focus on theGospel. Stay tuned. I felt your500:00:25.719 --> 00:00:36.640passh touch your heart us. Welcometo the Gospel centered pro life podcast.600:00:36.840 --> 00:00:42.159I'm Vicki Kazi York, and I'mhere with Daniel Parks. Yeah, it's700:00:42.200 --> 00:00:47.280going pretty well. It's pretty hotout there today. Pretty the nation it800:00:47.479 --> 00:00:54.840is. saw that global warming stuff. But any despite the heat, we900:00:54.840 --> 00:00:58.719were out there on the sidewalk.Well, you were out there, I1000:00:58.840 --> 00:01:00.679was not. You were not.I was in the office. Right.1100:01:00.759 --> 00:01:04.959You were cool on zoom meetings anddoing the other things that I do from1200:01:06.000 --> 00:01:10.079day to day, and I wasmelting along with our team and the heat.1300:01:10.120 --> 00:01:15.439However, we nonetheless set up acamera and did not forget that,1400:01:17.280 --> 00:01:23.640because this is a critical component ofbeing a safe and responsible sidewalk team.1500:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.239Yeah, and that's what we're gonnatalk about today, is strategic camera use.1600:01:27.400 --> 00:01:30.560All right, that's kind of aweird subject. It is. We1700:01:30.599 --> 00:01:34.959did a couple of weeks ago,I think it was the podcast before last1800:01:34.439 --> 00:01:38.879maybe, we talked about safety onthe sidewalk. You don't remember. Did1900:01:38.920 --> 00:01:42.280we mentioned camera usage? I thinkwe mentioned it and the we've mentioned camera2000:01:42.359 --> 00:01:47.719usage frequently in these podcasts, butwe've never really just devoted a podcast to2100:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.879here are some dudes and don'ts withthe camera and we thought this is good.2200:01:52.159 --> 00:01:56.120You you really, we really shoulddo something more targeted on everything there2300:01:56.159 --> 00:02:01.079is to know in the sidewalk aboutcamera use. Yeah, and so specifically,2400:02:01.159 --> 00:02:04.359what we're talking about. Most ofyou guys listening, you're going to2500:02:04.480 --> 00:02:07.680know exactly what we're talking about,but those who don't is we're talking about2600:02:07.680 --> 00:02:13.719a camera that's placed in a strategicarea, not for filming patients. Been2700:02:13.719 --> 00:02:17.240Accused of that, but we literallyhave no vested interest in filming patients and2800:02:17.759 --> 00:02:23.520spying on them or whatever. It'sreally for accountability because we know that going2900:02:23.560 --> 00:02:28.039out there confronting evil, one ofthe darkest places, we believe, in3000:02:28.039 --> 00:02:30.159our city, where evil takes placeday in and day out, and one3100:02:30.199 --> 00:02:35.400of the most evil places at thegates of hell, at the abortion centers.3200:02:35.400 --> 00:02:38.039We're gonna confront that evil. Itcan be potentially a volatile situation.3300:02:38.759 --> 00:02:44.159Um, PRO aborts are out thereright there could be some angry dad's,3400:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.719angry MOMS, angry friends that comeand try to get in our face and3500:02:46.759 --> 00:02:52.479try to threaten us or even assaultus. and Um, actually, I3600:02:52.520 --> 00:02:57.560just heard this happened in southern California. There was an older couple doing ministry.3700:02:57.599 --> 00:03:00.199I didn't even tell you about this, doing ministry on the side get3800:03:00.240 --> 00:03:04.199an abortion center there and some ladycome up apparently hit the guy, one3900:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.360of the guys, in the face. He fell back and uh, hit4000:03:07.400 --> 00:03:14.680his head and he's at the hospital. Pretty significant stuff going on. She's4100:03:14.879 --> 00:03:17.719they're filing charges against the lady.Whether or not they had a camera going,4200:03:17.879 --> 00:03:22.240I don't know, though, butI will say that things like that4300:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.599can happen. Now, none ofthis we don't we don't walk in fear4400:03:24.719 --> 00:03:27.719right. God has not given usa spirit of fear, but of power,4500:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.120love and a sound mind. Sowe'RE gonna walk in fear, we4600:03:30.159 --> 00:03:34.479are going to walk in wisdom.So things like that do happen. It's4700:03:34.520 --> 00:03:38.240important that we have a camera sowe can hold the people accountable, because4800:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.199if we don't have a camera going, oftentimes it can be just our word4900:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.479against theirs. Right. Yeah,yes, so it's it's for our safety.5000:03:46.520 --> 00:03:51.840It definitely is a is an importanttool on the sidewalk out reach box5100:03:51.919 --> 00:03:55.280that you that you should have.And in this article we wrote an article,5200:03:55.439 --> 00:04:00.560as we always do, Um toaccompany the pot hast are almost always5300:04:01.080 --> 00:04:05.360but the UM. This article talksabout first of all kind of just the5400:04:05.400 --> 00:04:10.800general reason that you've just outlined forwhy why there's a camera out there in5500:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.599the first place, and then wejust go through some of the dues and5600:04:14.680 --> 00:04:17.600don't and the first thing is,okay, you need a camera. We5700:04:17.839 --> 00:04:20.759we agree with that. Where doyou place it? Where do we put5800:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.879the camera? Maybe go into alittle Daniel, if you can, about5900:04:24.920 --> 00:04:28.319what kind of camera we use,because maybe people wouldn't know. Yeah,6000:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.480so the cameras that we use,that we encourage people to get, that6100:04:30.560 --> 00:04:36.319we have available for our our missionariesto use, or that if people want6200:04:36.319 --> 00:04:39.480to buy, and this is whatI point them to. I'M NOT gonna6300:04:39.480 --> 00:04:43.680be able to say the name rightbecause it's they're made in China, but6400:04:43.759 --> 00:04:50.079it's M I you F L Yor something like that, I don't know,6500:04:50.759 --> 00:04:54.360but those and they make a coupleof different versions and when we get6600:04:54.480 --> 00:04:56.879is kind of bigger and it lookslike a lot of what you'll see that6700:04:57.040 --> 00:05:00.279police officers have these body cams thatthey use, and the reason why we6800:05:00.360 --> 00:05:02.920use that is because it's all selfcontained. It's got the memory built into6900:05:02.959 --> 00:05:05.120us. You don't have to buyan SD card. It's got a battery7000:05:05.120 --> 00:05:12.360built into it and they'll record fourto five hours straight through and you can7100:05:12.399 --> 00:05:15.160actually put the recording because it's gotlimited amount of memory, like thirty two7200:05:15.199 --> 00:05:19.240gigabytes. That may not mean anythingto anyone out there, but what it7300:05:19.279 --> 00:05:23.879does mean is that eventually that memoryis gonna run out, whether it's four7400:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.639hours, five hours, or youknow, if you use it consecutive days,7500:05:26.680 --> 00:05:29.240eventually at memory is gonna run out, and so you need to set7600:05:29.240 --> 00:05:30.720the camera up and there's a featurein it to make it loop, so7700:05:30.800 --> 00:05:35.879that means it keeps on recording andwhen it gets done and it gets full,7800:05:35.959 --> 00:05:40.839the memory gets full, it's gonnaRecord on top of the previous recordings.7900:05:41.319 --> 00:05:44.720If an incident does take place,you just stop the camera and it's8000:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.879got a screen on it so youcan show the image, but a lot8100:05:46.959 --> 00:05:48.720of times the image is so small. If I need to show an image8200:05:48.720 --> 00:05:53.439to a police officer or something,I'll kind of connected to my computer and8300:05:53.480 --> 00:05:57.040show them from my computer. Um. But yeah, I mean certainly,8400:05:57.160 --> 00:05:59.800if you guys want to know,reach out to me. You can shoot8500:05:59.800 --> 00:06:02.800me an email Daniel love life dotwork, and I'll send you a link8600:06:02.879 --> 00:06:05.399to the one that we use.But you can go on Amazon. I8700:06:05.439 --> 00:06:10.199mean there's other companies. They're abouta hundred and thirty bucks, but in8800:06:10.279 --> 00:06:13.879my experience you get what you payfor and these are actually I mean they'll8900:06:14.120 --> 00:06:16.439we put them out there in therain and, you know, harsh weather,9000:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.040and they pretty well stand up towhat we uh, what we put9100:06:20.079 --> 00:06:25.839them through, and surprisingly they weplace them. We're going to talk about9200:06:26.480 --> 00:06:30.600placement in detail, but we doplace them on top of our cars across9300:06:30.680 --> 00:06:33.800the street from from where we stand, a two lane road, and the9400:06:33.920 --> 00:06:40.480sound is surprisingly good. You canhear what's happening between the pro abortion crowd9500:06:40.519 --> 00:06:45.920and US moms whatever on the onthe sidewalk. So we we we've really9600:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.360liked these cameras. They do looklike a body Cam, as you pointed9700:06:48.399 --> 00:06:55.160out, but we would caution peoplenot to wear body body cams and a9800:06:55.160 --> 00:06:59.720lot of sidewalk counselors outside of lovelife. I don't see so many ours9900:07:00.000 --> 00:07:02.040are people using them as body camps, but a lot of people do,10000:07:02.839 --> 00:07:06.319and there's a reason why we recommendthat you do not. Yeah, I10100:07:06.319 --> 00:07:11.920always discourage people from wearing a bodycamp on your body because, number one,10200:07:11.959 --> 00:07:15.199it's gonna cut down on the interactionsthat you're gonna have with women going10300:07:15.199 --> 00:07:17.720into the abortion center. I mean, you stop someone going into the abortion10400:07:17.720 --> 00:07:21.160center, whether they're walking up orthey pulled in uh in their vehicle,10500:07:21.680 --> 00:07:25.439they stopped to talk with you andthen they see that you've got a camera10600:07:25.519 --> 00:07:30.439on, immediately they're gonna shut down. Either that or they're gonna get aggressive10700:07:30.480 --> 00:07:32.199and get offended. You think itmight, it might neutralize that, but10800:07:32.279 --> 00:07:38.199sometimes it makes people more angry tosee a camera um because it kind of10900:07:38.199 --> 00:07:42.079feels like a breach of privacy andit really kind of is. And even11000:07:42.079 --> 00:07:46.120though you're not using the camera tofilm them, still they're seeing that camera11100:07:46.120 --> 00:07:48.399and they think you're gonna use itto plastered on the internet or social media.11200:07:48.600 --> 00:07:51.560And the truth is we know thatthese women are coming to these places.11300:07:51.600 --> 00:07:55.639Many are driving hours away, eventhough there might be an abortion center11400:07:55.680 --> 00:08:00.360in their town they're driving a coupleof towns or cities over because they don't11500:08:00.399 --> 00:08:03.920want to be seen at an abortionclinic, and so when they feel like11600:08:03.040 --> 00:08:07.040they're being recorded, then that's aproblem. So that's why we always encourage11700:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.560folks not to put it on yourbody but to put it either on a11800:08:11.680 --> 00:08:16.199vehicle. Some some cities put iton like, you know, a signpost11900:08:16.079 --> 00:08:20.879Um, maybe a light post,some something away from the area of engagement12000:08:22.319 --> 00:08:26.519but still pointed out the area ofengagement. For example, like at Latrobe,12100:08:26.560 --> 00:08:30.000the main area of engagement is thatdriveway where people pull in and that's12200:08:30.000 --> 00:08:35.639where and that's where there's a lotof pro boorts there. If someone gets12300:08:35.720 --> 00:08:39.360angry and comes in her face,they're gonna likely it's gonna you can never12400:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.799have a camera everywhere that's gonna getevery interaction. This is impossible. You12500:08:43.799 --> 00:08:48.840can put fifteen cameras up and you'renever gonna pick up on everything that takes12600:08:48.879 --> 00:08:52.240place. But have it at thearea of engagement. That's where most of12700:08:52.799 --> 00:08:56.480hostile activity might take place and youknow you're doing the best you can because12800:08:56.519 --> 00:09:01.320you've got to kind of way outis because you gotta set the camera up,12900:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.360you gotta make sure you charge it. You gotta make sure you know13000:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.080there's there's some there's some work todo with getting that camera out there.13100:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.480It's worth it, but if you'retrying to set up like three or four13200:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.720cameras, it will become not worthit anymore and you'll just stop doing it13300:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.679altogether. So it's best to setup one, make it not too difficult13400:09:16.720 --> 00:09:20.240for you or for your teams toset up. And I would encourage you,13500:09:20.240 --> 00:09:22.240you know, if you're listening tothis and you're in one of our13600:09:22.279 --> 00:09:26.679love life cities, Um, Iwould encourage for the sidewalk leaders there to13700:09:26.759 --> 00:09:31.120get a camera for each team foreach day. You know, you should13800:09:31.159 --> 00:09:35.679have a team lead for each day, each Um, each shift, and13900:09:35.720 --> 00:09:39.799get a camera for each shift sothat each leader has a camera and they14000:09:39.840 --> 00:09:43.440take care of that camera, makesure it's charged up and make sure,14100:09:43.679 --> 00:09:45.759you know, get set up inall of that stuff. Yeah, that's14200:09:45.759 --> 00:09:48.279a good idea. And and oneof the other reasons that you have often14300:09:48.360 --> 00:09:52.600mentioned in the past for why youwould not wear it on your body is14400:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.639you only see what happens directly infront of you if if you're wearing a14500:09:56.679 --> 00:09:58.480body cam, whereas if it's setup in the distance, you're gonna see14600:09:58.519 --> 00:10:05.000things coming from behind Um and fromall angles, hopefully. So it's really14700:10:05.039 --> 00:10:11.480important we we actually park our carsstrategically for the best position possible where we14800:10:11.600 --> 00:10:16.639can mount the camera. The oneadvantage of putting it on or even inside14900:10:16.639 --> 00:10:20.679a car. Inside a car,you're gonna muffle the sound, so just15000:10:20.720 --> 00:10:24.399think of that. But if it'son a car, it's on your personal15100:10:24.399 --> 00:10:28.600property. It already is your personalproperty, whereas if you're going to put15200:10:28.600 --> 00:10:31.399it on a telephone pole or atree or whatever, it's no longer on15300:10:31.480 --> 00:10:37.360your personal property and I think it'sa little bit easier to protect it Um15400:10:37.360 --> 00:10:39.440and to make a case that thiswas your personal property. Yeah, but15500:10:39.480 --> 00:10:43.399I will say if someone comes upand steals your camera or whatever, even15600:10:43.440 --> 00:10:46.879if you have it on a lightpost or a sign post or something like15700:10:46.919 --> 00:10:50.360that, people still can't steal yourstuff. You know, if you lean,15800:10:50.559 --> 00:10:54.200if you lean your nice hundred andfifty dollar umbrella, which I hope15900:10:54.240 --> 00:10:56.840you don't own a hundred and fiftydollar umbrella, but if you did and16000:10:56.879 --> 00:10:58.919you lean it against a signpost andsomeone come up and stole it right and16100:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.159front of you, they would stillbe a thief and they would still be16200:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.639be liable, criminally liable, forstealing your property, right. And so16300:11:07.759 --> 00:11:09.320you got a hundred and thirty dollarcamera, someone comes up and steals it16400:11:09.320 --> 00:11:13.720just because it's on the light post. That's not okay and you should press16500:11:13.799 --> 00:11:18.480charges against them for doing so.Yeah, Um, something about Um being16600:11:18.519 --> 00:11:22.399really careful about filming patients. Ithink I have told this story before,16700:11:22.440 --> 00:11:26.159but I'll tell it again because thisis a great podcast. To be sure16800:11:26.159 --> 00:11:31.080it's it's mentioned. There was awoman who was very engaged with with me,16900:11:31.279 --> 00:11:35.000definitely about to choose life, aboutto go on our mobile ultrasound unit.17000:11:35.320 --> 00:11:41.399Um, we had really clicked andbecause of an incident that happened right17100:11:41.440 --> 00:11:46.440there at the driveway that had nothingto do with this woman or me and17200:11:46.480 --> 00:11:50.879our discussion, one of our teammembers came over and started filming Um.17300:11:52.000 --> 00:11:54.519She was not trying to film thismom, she was trying to film the17400:11:54.559 --> 00:11:58.840other person who was trying to runme over and Um. But the mom17500:12:00.120 --> 00:12:07.519didn't know that and she was lividand it absolutely shut down that discussion.17600:12:07.600 --> 00:12:13.519She was furious, drove into theabortion center. She ended up actually choosing17700:12:13.559 --> 00:12:18.399life. She did calm down,come out later, but that almost sabotaged17800:12:18.480 --> 00:12:24.360and almost cost that child, um, it's life. So be really careful17900:12:24.440 --> 00:12:28.559in all of the camera used thatit's very clear you are not there to18000:12:28.720 --> 00:12:35.120capture video or photographs of the women, and that's going to happen. It's18100:12:35.120 --> 00:12:41.279gonna Happen, but that's not theintention and we would never use the video.18200:12:41.360 --> 00:12:43.559Like what would be the context forus to use that video anyway?18300:12:43.679 --> 00:12:46.720You know, if we take apicture of a mom that chose life and18400:12:46.720 --> 00:12:50.440we use that on social media orwhatever, we do that with their permission18500:12:50.919 --> 00:12:56.399because we have a vested interest inprotecting their privacy and protecting that kind of18600:12:56.440 --> 00:13:00.159the trust that we built with themin that relationship. So we're not there18700:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.799to breach that trust. Now proboords have accused us, you know,18800:13:03.879 --> 00:13:07.600of using that footage for things,but it's just it's a false accusation.18900:13:07.519 --> 00:13:11.600Um, something I want to mentiontoo. It's a little it's not off19000:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.279topic, but it's probably not inyour article here, but this is a19100:13:15.360 --> 00:13:20.360situation I heard about in Washington statebecause we realized that if you ever look19200:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.240at these abortion centers, they've gotcameras. You know, at Latrobe.19300:13:22.279 --> 00:13:26.120They've got cameras on almost all fourcorners of the building right and there was19400:13:26.159 --> 00:13:30.919a situation at a plan parenthood therein Washington state where one of the pro19500:13:30.960 --> 00:13:35.639abortion people, one of the counterprotesters or whatever they call themselves, clinic19600:13:35.679 --> 00:13:43.519defenders, actually assaulted a sidewall counselorand he took out charges and the city19700:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.639or the Police Department actually subpoenaed theplant parenthood for their footage because they actually19800:13:48.639 --> 00:13:52.720had the footage. The camera waspointed in that direction. So they subpoenaed19900:13:54.240 --> 00:13:56.840the plan parenthood and they had togive them the footage and that's ultimately what20000:13:56.960 --> 00:14:01.720led to that person being prosecuted.They didn't. That's something also to consider20100:14:01.840 --> 00:14:05.639if something does happen, Um,someone threatens you or really if someone is20200:14:05.639 --> 00:14:09.039physically violent, because it's going tobe a bit of a process. But20300:14:09.240 --> 00:14:16.600definitely I would push for the policedepartment and the Prosecution to get Plant parenthood20400:14:16.679 --> 00:14:20.200or the abortion center to hand overtheir footage. Um, they have to20500:14:20.240 --> 00:14:22.519do that. If they have footage, they have to hand it over.20600:14:22.919 --> 00:14:28.720So I wonder what prevented them fromtampering with their footage, because they I20700:14:28.759 --> 00:14:33.639could see the abortion center where we'reat, doing everything in their power.20800:14:35.519 --> 00:14:37.480Yeah, yeah, erase it orsomething. Yeah, yeah, I mean20900:14:37.960 --> 00:14:41.320I don't know, maybe it wasthe hand of God at work in that21000:14:41.360 --> 00:14:46.480situation, because to me it's prettymiraculous. But you know, I think21100:14:46.480 --> 00:14:50.320there's a sense in which plant parenthoodand the abortion clinics don't really want the21200:14:50.399 --> 00:14:54.799liability and things that could come withpeople that are supposedly serving on their behalf.21300:14:54.840 --> 00:14:58.000You know, these volunteers are theyasked to come out here. If21400:14:58.000 --> 00:15:03.080they assault us, ultimately abortion cliniccan be sued and I think they want21500:15:03.080 --> 00:15:05.919to do everything they can to shieldthemselves from that. So maybe that's why21600:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.840they gave that up, because theydidn't want that person to be out there21700:15:07.840 --> 00:15:11.320and create more liability. I don'treally know, but it's at least something21800:15:11.360 --> 00:15:16.320worth considering. If your camera didn'tcatch the angle and they have a camera21900:15:16.320 --> 00:15:18.799set up, I would definitely bepushing for the police department to get that22000:15:18.840 --> 00:15:22.759footage. Yeah, and and doit right there. As you know,22100:15:22.879 --> 00:15:26.639we we of course, council.You call police immediately if there's any active22200:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.000aggression or violence, and I wouldurge the police to go right in immediately22300:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.639and get that camera because if theydon't, I'm I'm pretty sure in many22400:15:35.679 --> 00:15:39.360cases it would be tampered with.Bottom line, don't count on it.22500:15:39.840 --> 00:15:43.639You know, have as much asyou are able on your own. Protect22600:15:43.679 --> 00:15:46.600yourself with your own videotaping, andwe're going to go into the second way22700:15:46.639 --> 00:15:50.039of doing that Um, but it'sgood to know that. Yes, I22800:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.679think that is true. If mostfacilities you're going to be at, they22900:15:52.759 --> 00:15:58.519will have their own video system going. So the second thing is, if23000:15:58.519 --> 00:16:03.480you don't, you should have aconstant for Valence camera like what you've described.23100:16:03.519 --> 00:16:07.440We do strongly recommend that. Thatis looping and constant Um. But23200:16:07.799 --> 00:16:14.200everybody has phone camera nowadays, sodon't forget that. Bring it with you23300:16:14.799 --> 00:16:18.519don't have it, you know,back home in your in your or even23400:16:18.559 --> 00:16:21.840in your car. Have it inyour pocket ready to use when you're on23500:16:21.879 --> 00:16:25.960the sidewalk. I was gonna sayeven if your camera is perfectly placed across23600:16:26.000 --> 00:16:30.120the street and there's some incident takingplace and it's getting the footage, you23700:16:30.159 --> 00:16:33.360still should pull out your camera phoneand take video right away, because it23800:16:33.399 --> 00:16:37.399could be another angle that that camerais not getting and you know it's a23900:16:37.440 --> 00:16:41.840backup, because you want to beable to hold those people accountable. People24000:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.519that get violent and aggressive. Ifthey get away with it, we'll get24100:16:45.559 --> 00:16:48.559more violent and more aggressive. Soif they come out one day, let's24200:16:48.600 --> 00:16:52.159say, one of the pro abortionpeople or something, and they're they're pushing24300:16:52.159 --> 00:16:55.799you a little bit and they're notheld accountable, the next day they're gonna24400:16:55.840 --> 00:16:59.679be pushing you a lot and thenthe next day they might actually just just24500:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.320hit you, you know. Yeah, give these people an inch and they'll24600:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.680take a mile. So this isall about accountability, right and with the24700:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.559same as with the surveillance camera,with your phone camera, there are pros24800:17:11.559 --> 00:17:18.000and cons, and the positive umis sometimes just pulling it out does uh24900:17:18.400 --> 00:17:25.680dampen the level of excitement and thecrisis and it makes sometimes it makes the25000:17:25.720 --> 00:17:30.279bad guy go away, shrink away, not always. The CON is sometimes,25100:17:30.359 --> 00:17:33.400and I have heard this happen,so I know it does happen,25200:17:33.759 --> 00:17:37.240it escalates the aggression. Yeah,yeah, that's just what I was talking25300:17:37.240 --> 00:17:41.160about earlier. Sometimes it will makepeople more angry. Most of the time25400:17:41.039 --> 00:17:44.960it will calm them down and deescalate them, because then they know that25500:17:44.960 --> 00:17:47.920they're being held accountable and that thisvideo. You know, they know that25600:17:47.960 --> 00:17:51.160they could go viral acting like afood in front of the abortion center.25700:17:52.079 --> 00:17:53.799But you have to be aware thatsometimes it can get increase the anger.25800:17:53.839 --> 00:17:57.559I've been, you know, seenincidents take place, pull out my camera25900:17:57.599 --> 00:18:00.640phone and have the Guy who's Ellenat somebody else come right and get in26000:18:00.680 --> 00:18:04.440my face and get super aggressive withme, hoping it would de escalate.26100:18:04.480 --> 00:18:08.839It actually escalated the situation and reallythere's no way that we can tell you26200:18:08.960 --> 00:18:12.759how it's gonna work. But whatwe can say is you need to still26300:18:12.799 --> 00:18:15.640take your camera phone out and,you know, if they do come over26400:18:15.640 --> 00:18:19.119and being aggressive, you don't haveto respond to them, you don't have26500:18:19.160 --> 00:18:23.039to tell them why you're filming oranything like that. Just keep videotape and26600:18:23.240 --> 00:18:27.279make sure you get them on videoif they're threatening and if they're being aggressive26700:18:27.960 --> 00:18:32.480and let the chips fall where theymay. Hang on tight to that phone,26800:18:32.599 --> 00:18:37.240because what happens when I have heardabout these escalating is they try to26900:18:37.279 --> 00:18:41.079grab your phone. Yeah, Ihad a guy actually slap my phone out27000:18:41.079 --> 00:18:45.519of my hand and, uh,it actually fell out of my hand and27100:18:45.599 --> 00:18:49.640hit my son who was standing besideme, and I called the police.27200:18:51.359 --> 00:18:55.359They showed up, I showed himthe video of the incident and, uh,27300:18:55.440 --> 00:18:57.319they took that guy right to jail. They did. Okay, so27400:18:57.519 --> 00:19:02.240so that shows you it as wellworth it, UM, calling the police,27500:19:02.279 --> 00:19:07.920but having the video evidence. Um. So when I have seen the27600:19:07.000 --> 00:19:15.319anger, most often it's when Ihave, or someone has been inadvertently usually27700:19:15.319 --> 00:19:21.720filming, sometimes purposely filming, apatient, a client. Just be careful27800:19:21.759 --> 00:19:23.920not to do that. Remember,like you said, they're traveling sometimes from27900:19:23.960 --> 00:19:30.160now we're seeing, from many statesover to conceal this sin. So they28000:19:30.200 --> 00:19:34.440are gonna respond with great anger ifthey think that sin is being uncovered and28100:19:34.559 --> 00:19:41.000might be shown to the world.So Um. So, some kind of28200:19:41.240 --> 00:19:45.359a summary then of dues and don'twe've already we've already mentioned a few times.28300:19:45.519 --> 00:19:49.720Don't photograph the clients of the AbortionCenter. If it's inadvertent, okay,28400:19:51.000 --> 00:19:53.960you know you've done it, butdon't let that be obvious. If28500:19:55.000 --> 00:20:00.079you must photograph and a client isin the picture somewhere but they're not a28600:20:00.200 --> 00:20:03.680source of your video or whatever,try and kind of make it not obvious28700:20:03.759 --> 00:20:10.400what you do and if possible,that's not always possible. Something about photographing28800:20:10.400 --> 00:20:15.279the pro abortion crowd. Um,we sometimes do it just because we just28900:20:15.319 --> 00:20:18.880can't believe what they do and wewant we want to show the world,29000:20:19.720 --> 00:20:22.960but I think we do need tohave to be careful about that. That's29100:20:23.039 --> 00:20:26.599sometimes exactly what they want. Yeah, you just trying to draw attention to29200:20:26.640 --> 00:20:30.599themselves and they end up really suckingthe ear out of the room. Yeah,29300:20:30.720 --> 00:20:34.200and so, yeah, if they'renot doing things that are violent or,29400:20:34.599 --> 00:20:37.079you know, they look like theycould be leading to violence, then29500:20:37.559 --> 00:20:41.519just don't be videotaping the embryo.Yeah, don't waste your time, don't29600:20:41.599 --> 00:20:45.559wait, don't give them the focusand the attention. Um, just you29700:20:45.599 --> 00:20:51.279know, your time can be spentbetter trying to save babies. Always have29800:20:51.319 --> 00:20:55.599the phone on you and be readywith it to videotape. have it.29900:20:55.680 --> 00:20:59.200I have it and I have abelt pack Um, and it's and I've30000:20:59.240 --> 00:21:02.720got a sidepote get so that thephone is right there. I can whip30100:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.720it out instantly. Um, ifthere is direct aggression. So sometimes this30200:21:07.759 --> 00:21:11.279has been an issue for me,especially if I'm if it's a really small30300:21:11.319 --> 00:21:18.279team, or I'm the one thatis videotaping and there's direct aggression and I'm30400:21:18.319 --> 00:21:22.559like, do I keep videotaping ordo I call the police? And I30500:21:22.640 --> 00:21:26.079know, since I have struggled atthat moment about which do I do,30600:21:26.480 --> 00:21:30.759I'm not the only one. Otherpeople need and so maybe if we talk30700:21:30.799 --> 00:21:33.480about that a little bit before youfind yourself, if you find yourself in30800:21:33.519 --> 00:21:38.839that situation, what we would recommendyou do. You'll do what is best30900:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.240at that moment. Yeah, Imean if you can still keep videotaping and31000:21:44.319 --> 00:21:47.200have your other teammate, if youhave another teammate, call nine one one,31100:21:47.240 --> 00:21:49.880you can do that. But Ithink the best is, especially if31200:21:49.880 --> 00:21:55.559you've got a camera setup and itlikely is catching what's going on on the31300:21:55.720 --> 00:22:02.359on the camera, this valance camera. m then do shut your video down31400:22:02.400 --> 00:22:06.200and call nine one one on yourphone. Yeah, even saying call nine31500:22:06.200 --> 00:22:11.839one one to your teammate again isgoing to hopefully deescalate aggression because they know31600:22:11.480 --> 00:22:15.079that, uh, no one wantsthe police coming after them. Usually.31700:22:15.200 --> 00:22:18.599We did have one person tell usshe already had a record a mile long.31800:22:19.200 --> 00:22:22.960She always gets out on bail,so it's no big deal. Called31900:22:22.960 --> 00:22:29.920the cops all we want, butthat's not it is it is um remember32000:22:30.000 --> 00:22:34.960that that video maybe the evidence thatis needed to either arrest or rebuke whoever32100:22:36.000 --> 00:22:40.720it is. So it is importantthat you do have, um, someone32200:22:40.839 --> 00:22:44.519videotaping, and I don't know ifI mention it, but I think it's32300:22:44.680 --> 00:22:48.240probably not a bad idea to tellall team members they could potentially be the32400:22:48.279 --> 00:22:52.480person of videotape, but maybe designatesomeone. Hey, this is your role,32500:22:52.759 --> 00:22:56.680if use among your other roles,but if you see aggression, you're32600:22:56.720 --> 00:23:00.880in charge of trying to get overthere in videotape. Normally it would be,32700:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.759of course, whoever is closest,if there's someone close, but it's32800:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.720not a bad idea to alert teammembers so and so is the person that's32900:23:07.759 --> 00:23:11.400kind of going to be in chargein charge of that. We talked about33000:23:11.519 --> 00:23:18.680avoid body cams. UH, soundsound. I know when I was once33100:23:18.720 --> 00:23:25.960assaulted it was me Um shouting hey, that hurt and it was picked up33200:23:26.400 --> 00:23:30.640on the camera. So not onlyhave a camera that has sound, to33300:23:30.640 --> 00:23:33.839be sure your sound is on.But don't forget if you're the one being33400:23:33.880 --> 00:23:38.920assaulted, don't be afraid to talkabout that as you're being assaulted. You33500:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.759don't want to fake anything. Itreally did hurt what she did. She33600:23:41.920 --> 00:23:47.240slammed her sign into my mouth.Um, so it was a natural response,33700:23:47.319 --> 00:23:51.839but as soon as the magistrate sawthat, they actually did write a33800:23:51.839 --> 00:23:59.160warrant for her. Um. SoI think those were the main point.33900:23:59.200 --> 00:24:03.519Oh, I did say if we'rein that act of violence thing and you've34000:24:03.559 --> 00:24:06.799got a choice, I would alwayscall the police first. If it's an34100:24:06.839 --> 00:24:08.559act of violence, someone's going toget hurt. Yeah, you need to34200:24:08.559 --> 00:24:14.119call. You need to call thepolice and maybe sacrifice the video, hoping34300:24:14.160 --> 00:24:18.960your surveillance cameras capturing what's going on. Yeah, absolutely, and you know,34400:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.359these are just some tips that we'vekind of laid out for you guys34500:24:22.440 --> 00:24:27.519from experience. and Um, again, we don't want to instill fearing you34600:24:27.559 --> 00:24:30.720guys, but we do know thatthis can be a volatile situation. We're34700:24:30.720 --> 00:24:36.920confronting evil with truth and the devildoesn't like it and people that are living34800:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.200for the devil don't like it whenyou speak truth, and so we can34900:24:40.240 --> 00:24:44.440expect that there's going to be somepushback. oftentimes it's just verbal, oftentimes35000:24:44.440 --> 00:24:47.839it's just angry people, but sometimesit can get violent. Sometimes with the35100:24:47.880 --> 00:24:51.480pro abortion people, they can takethings too far, and so it is35200:24:51.559 --> 00:24:56.519good again to have something to holdthem accountable. So having a camera going35300:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.359and uh, you know from acouple of angles can be helpful. So35400:25:00.359 --> 00:25:03.960hopefully this encourages you guys and hopefullyyou can apply some of these principles.35500:25:04.559 --> 00:25:10.240This is a pretty short podcast butagain, hopefully just practical and helpful for35600:25:10.279 --> 00:25:12.160you guys. As always, youcan reach out to me, Daniel at35700:25:12.200 --> 00:25:15.920Love Life Dot Org, I mentionedat the beginning of this podcast, and35800:25:15.960 --> 00:25:18.240if you want to know what kindof camera we use, I'll certainly shoot35900:25:18.279 --> 00:25:19.599you over a link. But youcan look on Amazon. There's all kinds36000:25:19.640 --> 00:25:22.559of that are available. Maybe youcan find something better than what we use,36100:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.759but I'll be happy to send youover a link. If you have36200:25:25.759 --> 00:25:29.200any other questions, anything you wantto run by us, any maybe future36300:25:29.240 --> 00:25:32.559episodes. You'd like us to coversubjects for future episodes, you can reach36400:25:32.559 --> 00:25:34.359out to me, Daniel at LoveLife Dot Org. You reach her Vicky,36500:25:34.440 --> 00:25:37.759with a why at Love Life DotOrg, and we'd love to hear36600:25:37.799 --> 00:25:41.240from you. But until next time, God bless God, bless you all.36700:25:44.400 --> 00:25:53.240Give me our love, love,give me our love for gratitude.36800:25:56.279 --> 00:26:06.240I know it will cost me mylove. Nothing's too precious. Since I36900:26:06.559 --> 00:26:15.920met you, M M