Sidewalk Training: Calling out

0:02 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, Lord, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. In this episode we're going to continue to do some training and talk about calling out to those going into the abortion center. We think this will be a blessing to you, so stay tuned. I felt show passis touch your heart. Use Me. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate you guys tuning in as always. Appreciate you guys listening to this podcast and also would appreciate if you would share this podcast, if you would leave us a positive review. We'd love to just get some positive reviews to cover up some of the bad, nasty negative reviews. And some of those negative reviews are still coming in. Actually. We've got like eighteen, almost one Thousan nineteen hundred reviews on our podcast and ninety eight percent of those are negative from our pro abortion friends who hate what we're doing. But, as we always say, if the enemy is pushing back, you know you're doing the right thing. Right you're over the target if the enemy is firing at you. So we're over the target. Least we hope that we are.

1:25 We hope we're over the target with it, with training and equipping you guys. Hopefully you've been blessed by our past I don't know how many weeks we've been doing training episodes, maybe five, six weeks, something like that. That yeah, and hopefully this episode will be a blessing as we continue to talk about training and cover some of the aspects that we train in our sidewalk one hundred and one training we mentioned while we're doing this is so that we can go in in depth a little more about some of the subjects that we cover in our training that we're not able to go in very much depth. It is a one hundred and one training that we do. One hundred and one just kind of like basic surface level stuff, but folks want more, so we're going to dig in more. We're going to dig into today calling out there kind of four aspects. Was We talked last time about the three talking points that we share. Right, the three talking points that we touch on is we're talking to an abortion mind of mom dad, people going into the abortion center, and there's really four different scenarios, I guess, in which you, which you vocalize or visualize as we talked about signage. That's one of the four ways that you reach out to people using these three talking points, is through signage. I don't know that we'll do a podcast about that, since we did do one couple of months back about signage specifically.

2:47 But this one's about calling out. So the four aspects of reaching out to abortion mind of women are calling out, handing out literature, one on one conversations and signage. There's a kind of the four ways for modes of communication at an abortion center. Yeah, and so today we're going to talk about calling out, and what we mean by that is simply raising your voice so that you can be heard. This is not at some abortion centers, like our folks that are in Manhattan and some of the other abortion centers, or some of our folks are, this is not something they're really going to employ. True, they're on the sidewalk. You don't want to be yelling at somebody as they're walking towards you on the sidewalk. Yeah, but in our scenario here in Charlotte, at every one of the abortion centers, I guess here in Charlotte you get some flit traffic from time to time, but for the most part is vehicular traffic. People are pulling into a parking lot, getting out of their car, walking to the door of the abortion center and we're talking about calling out, we're talking about communicating to them across the parking lot to ultimately come over and talk to you. Right, they're at a distance from US and actually most, I think, in unless you're like in a big city where it's only the people walking up, you're going to have to call out for them to hear you from a distance. And just to touch real quick when we've covered the three talking points in the last episode, we're including them in this calling out like those are the things that we're calling out. Those three talking points will probably go over there over those, so I'll just touch on them real quick. What God says, the humanity of

4:18 the baby and the recess resources that are available. There's to the three points that we're going to touch on in calling out. But let's talk real quick about what is our goal, and we did touch in the touch on this in the three talking points podcast, what our goal is. But I won't folks understand like when I say our goal is not just to deliver information. We certainly want to deliver information. We've got ten or fifteen seconds and in our last episode we gave an example of what we might call out to someone going into the abortion center, how we might touch on those three talking points. I gave mine, you gave yours. Right. So we certainly want to deliver information. We want the information that we do, the the fifteen second pitch or plea, like you said right, that we give, we want it to be sufficient to bring the truth to the people going in, because the reality is, for the most part they're not going to stop in their tracks, turn around and come over and talk to us. Right.

5:21 So we want to give sufficient information, but we also want we don't want to just have a mentality of well, I'm just going to give information and that's it. We want them to come over and engage with us more in depth. HMM, yeah, yeah, so that's kind of the bottom line purpose. We want them to come and talk with us. But there's a there's other purposes that are probably even more important really, as believers and followers of Christ. Yeah, we want to obey God. We're there. Are One of our goals and calling out as we are obeying God in what he tells us, in speaking for those who can't speak for themselves. Yeah. So, so we are obeying God and presumably glorifying him. Yeah, in in what we're calling out and that we are conveying truth. Yeah, that that our goal is, that we convey truth. So, while we want them to come talk with us, we wouldn't lie to have them come talk with us, because that would not reach that very important goal of conveying God's truth. Yeah, to them. Yeah, and other truth, scientific truth as well, baby development truth. But we're speaking truth and in obedience to God. And I think maybe there's more you can think of, but to me, as I was thinking about it, I always love starting with the thought of why am I there? What is my purpose? Because my purpose I can probably fulfill if, if it's clear, yeah, to to what

6:57 that purpose is, and purpose is maybe different from results. Yeah. So that's why I like to think about that from from the get go and train our counselors to think about that. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, first and foremost, we're out there in obedience to God. We're not out there just to make ourselves feel like better Christians or anything like that. We're other in obedience to God and the results are up to the Lord. Yeah, but under that kind of the overarching purpose or goal is to obey God. Yeah, proverbs eighty nine, open your mouth for the speechless and the cause of all who are pointed to die. Open your mouth, judge, righteously, plead the cause of the poor and needy. That's what we're doing.

7:41 We're calling out, we're pleading the cause of those babies that are poor needy. We're doing that first and foremost in obedience to God, and then we're doing that out of compassion for that baby. Right. Yeah, and so, yeah, as a kind of, I guess, low level goal under the under the high level goal of glorifying God. The low level goal can be, though, again, not just delivering information, not just delivering truth, right, but delivering truth in such a way that it would compel one of the mothers going into the abortion center to actually come over and to engage with us in a conversation. Yeah, and there's a way that we can do that. Listen, I've done the I think now, from this perspective, now being out there for years, the ineffective just delivering information, mm, just calling out whatever comes to mind, whatever truth might come to mind. Listen, you can say a true thing in a wrong way.

8:41 Right, you can deliver truth. The Bible says if you bless your brother early in the morning loudly, it will be perceived as a curse. Yeah, that's in proverbs. Yeah, forget the chapter in verse, but I promise you it's in there. Yeah, so there is like timing can matter. If you bless your brother early in the morning, I mean you could speak a wonderful blessing of your brother, but do it really loud right early in the morning, he's not going to be blessed by yes, and timing. Timing and manner are both important, and we actually do talk about this a little bit later. I'm in manner. The delivery doesn't matter. It does. And so you can be speaking and you can speak some really foundational truths to a mother going into the abustion center. But if you're timing is off and if you're your demeanor and the way that you come across as far as like yelling frantically, if that's not in check, right then it can just be it can be perceived as a curse. Right, right, right.

9:39 So, so we know that we need to speak truth and we know that we need to glorify God. Yeah, and we want them to come to speak to us. So how do we do that? So you touched on on many of them. One of them, I think, one of the first things, because it's the first thing they're going to see, is our demeanor. Yeah, you know what we look like, and I don't mean are we pretty or ugly or anything like that, but are we do we seem approachable, right? And how can we do that? How can we make our ourselves up here as approachable as possible? Yeah, I think one of the most basic ways is having a smile on your face. Yes, like with anything, if someone has a smile on their face, it makes them look and feel more approachable. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah, even though it's a heavy scenario, they're killing babies inside of that place.

10:33 Yeah, and it's reason for us to to look really under it, really sad, or being great or angry. Yep, Yep, that's not going to be what compels a person to come over and talk to us. And the reality is that there's still a God, Jesus Christ is still on His throne, even if they're killing babies inside of that place. And if you're a child of God, you belong to the Lord he has saved you, and so you have every reason, in spite of all the the stuff that goes on in the world, you have every reason to have joy and to let that joy show forth on your face, in your demeanor. You know, when I go walking through the mall, back in the old days, when I could go walking through the mall without a face covered up.

11:18 Yeah, those people that are hawking the jewelry and the the perfumes and stuff, you know, that stand in the middle, awesome middle. We can learn a lot from them. Okay, thanks. Think about the ones that you're willing to pause, and almost always they're always smiling. They're smiling, but oftentimes they use humor. And the ones that use humor I will stop and speak to sometimes because they make me laugh. Yeah, so, not that you know what's happening at the abortion center is is certainly not funny. It's the furthest thing from funny. But if you become very human in in not only that you look approachable with a smile, but maybe even say something that is lighthearted. And I you know, I'm not thinking of anything right offhand, but I know I've used that before. Something like they'll have something on their shirt that says, I don't know, talk to me. I don't know if that is something I've ever actually seen, but if I see that, that to me is like a moment of where you can use a little bit of humor in calling at them. Hey, even your shirt says come talk to me, so he come talk with me, and I've heard you use humor before and I wish I could think of a better example.

12:35 I can't, but as you're thinking about when you're trying to call out to women in terms of the demeanor, that the more human you are. You're not just there as they think you are, which is to condemn and tell them everything that they are doing wrong, but you're there too because you're you want something very valuable for them to happen and to be conveyed. Yeah, I think it's that kind of just relational aspect, yeah, that we need to be thinking about. We want to build a relationship with them and in a very short time. Yeah, and at the beginning of any relationship there has to be kind of like breaking the ice right, you think about it.

13:20 We always talked about Ray Comfort. Yeah, talk about his evangelism. If you ever watch any of his videos, the dude is so funny. Now money. That's a good example. I love the way that he relates to people. Yeah, I'm not talking about like in front of the abortion clinic, like we're cracking jokes and where, you know, I'm calling out across the parking lot, right, cracking some joke. Right, knock, knock, who's there? Anything like that. Talking about that, right. But he is, I think the word that using this article winsome. winsome, and he is humorous and he does have some really humorous comebacks and just things that really stick in your mind. And well, I can think of one that he said that really struck me because I've used it since, is is he'll go through where people have broken the commandments to help them to be aware of their sin, and he'll say, have you ever told a lie?

14:07 And then they'll pausitate no, and he said, well, now you just proved that that that right because you just lied and they laugh. They laugh. So getting laughter. If if it's it has to be careful. You have to be careful with these humor. But yeah, and I think really what we're talking about is not being a sidewalk comedian, more talking about being relatable, right, being like you said, a human being, because what they're expecting is what they've been told by the abortion clinic, Plan parenthood or whatever the abortion clinic business is where they called and made their appointment. Yeah, sometimes they tell him this. Sometimes I think they don't, but we've heard here locally they tell him you're going to encounter a bunch of angry protesters on the sidewalk. Ignore them and, if you can really ride a away show them that what they were told on the phone is not true.

15:03 It might help them start on the pathway to doubting the other things that they were told. They were told, and I've heard this from people come walking up to me. Hey, they told me you guys are a bunch of angry protesters, and doesn't seem like you guys are angry at all. Seems like you're out here to help people. I mean you have literally had abortion minded dad's come over and talking with me because what they heard that we were we weren't right, and it helps me kind of chip away at some of the other things that they were told by the abortion clinic. Yeah, very good, he's not a baby. Yeah, that the doctors are good people. Yeah, they are going to help them with their issue. Yeah, so, yeah, being human, being relatable, because again, the goal is ultimately to glorify God and so we're not going to be, you know, we're not going to be talking about how cool it is smoked pot or something like that, because we got to honor God first. But we do want them to ultimately come over and talk with us. So being relatable show them that you're a human being. I mean, I've seen things. Maybe an example would be I see somebody going in with a with a star wars t shirt on it, especially if I see him with the Mandalorian. I know you probably haven't watched that. No, but I have and I like the shows pretty cool. And really the overarching theme of the Mandalorian is that real men protect children, like his whole because whole thing through the whole episode is protecting the child, the little baby Yoda, and so if I see a man with a baby Yoda or with the Mandalorian something around his shirt or whatever, I'm a play on that. Yeah, and I might be a

16:34 little humorous with it, but I want him to come over and talk with me. I want to be relatable and I think that's the main point with this is that want to be relatable, want to be approachable. Well, I think we can make the same error in talking to the women and the men coming as they have made regarding their baby, which is to deep dehumanized. I think that our mission is so important and so God driven that we can almost look more at the mission than at the people. Yeah, that are that are coming in. And so I think talking about being relational, remembered, they're human beings themselves with struggles and feelings and and and we need to treat them in that way and respectfully as as much as possibly. Our demeanor should be one of respect. One of our youngsters was out today and and he kind of started getting into a little bit of name called Lane, and I reminded him that that is never a good idea. Never it's never appropriate before God, but it's not appropriate if that if our desires that they would come and talk with us. Sure. So respect should be a part of our demeanor as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, which kind of gets into that that that next one. Our attitude. Yeah, and our attitude respectful as part of what our attitude should be. Yeah. Also, I think biblically, we should have an attitude of confidence. Yeah, that should be conveyed at me people. We think about what's conveyed on our face

18:07 and all of that, and there's only so much you can do with your face. I mean, you got a bunch of muscles there, but you can smile and you can frown. There's things you can do is your face. But really, as human beings, there's this kind of maybe I'm speaking a little just personally, but I think you probably get it too, like you're around people, there's almost like is aura. Is that a pagan word? There's almost like this atmosphere around people that you can tell whether or not they're fearful, whether or not they're confident with our whole body. Language says that sometimes slump shoulders yet a hundred there. Yeah, yeah, but if we can they and it's not because we have confidence in the flesh. So it needed say that right away. But if we can vey confidence, confidence in what we're saying, that what we're saying is true, the what we're saying has a solid foundation and if what we're saying comes from the word of God, it does have a solid foundation. People pick up on that confidence.

19:00 That's right. We kind of have this atmosphere of confidence not again. I'm not talking about arrogance, talking about pride and needs to be done done away with. We need to let the Lord crucify our pride in our arrogance. But if we have a confidence, and you read the Apostle Paul. This guy was was a humble man, for sure, yeah, but he was a confident man as well. You read the writings of the epistles of Paul. He had the confidence that came from knowing God. And we can have that same confidence and as we're calling out and again, that the idea that we want them to come over and talk to us as a very important idea. Having that confidence with what we're saying. It's very important. And I think you might ask, well, how does that come like? How do I get confident, because I haven't done this very much, and or maybe I haven't done this at all and I want to be confident, but how can I be confident in something I've never done? Well, I think your first step step of confidences putting your confidence, putting your trust in God, being in the word right, but also just doing it. Yep, nothing makes a person more confident then doing it. And you get more confident as you do it. Now, I will say strangely enough, people think I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding. Every time I go on the sidewalk and every time I raise my voice to call out her, every time I get on amplified sound, there's a nervousness about me, right, yeah, I mean I've the same way with speaking before crowds and things like that.

20:25 Yeah, Um, I have a confidence that, Yep, I've done in the past, but I'm still still a nervousness about me because I'm realizing that I need to trust the Lords. We don't ever, shouldn't ever lose that that we're trusting the Lord. But the more we do something, the more confident we become in the Lord's ability to work through us. And that's really what it is. It's a confidence in the Lord's ability to work through us. Yeah, you know the verse, I Happy Face makes the heart glad. Okay, that it's in proverbs. So, and then there's the the opposite one also. They're both in proverbs. But but, and they appear to be contradictions, but they're not. But, but the one I happy face makes the heart glad is saying that sometimes if you put on the externals of what you want to be an internal state. It kind of helps with that internal state. So if I'm not feeling confident but I'm still going to speak as though I am, it has a strange way of making you feel then the way that you should actually be feeling. Okay, and and so I will. I I think I do that often, that that I just I know that what I'm saying is important. I know that it's what God has given me to say. So I know it's of infinite value and that's where my confidence is, in that God will enable me and what he has given me is of infinite value for these people to hear. And then I

21:57 am just going to do whatever confident people do. Yeah, I'm going to speak slowly, loudly, calmly, assertively, and that you start to feel it and they feel it and I don't know if that's right or wrong, but I know it's something I do and I think it's biblical. I think that that's what that is what that verse is saying. Okay, yeah, well, I know, just physically. I mean this is a little off topic in the sense that we're not talking about calling out, but I know before the Lord like when I'm worshiping the Lord, especially in personal prayer time, I might stand, but when I take a posture of humility, like physically get on my knees, that that helps me to humble my heart.

22:41 So it could be a little bit of what you're talking about. Yeah, that's very, very much yeah. So really, just to wrap up this point, we need to be confident, but they're also needs to be a calmness. So I would say a calm, confident demeanor. Yeah, and attitude is very important. Yeah, and getting people to come over and talk to you, in getting them just to listen to you, because if you sound like some frantic, raving lunatic, God might use that, people might come over and talk to you, but for the most part probably not. That just going to keep on walking because you're not communicating anything to them they don't already have. They're all there's already chaos, it's already confusion, there's all already this this lack of confidence in themselves, right, and there's already this lack of calmness, frantic. We want to make sure we convey to them the opposite, that we actually come from a perspective of confidence and we're calm right. You think about it, somebody that's confident, you can argue with them all day, but if they're confident with they're saying that they don't need to get all defensive and things like that. Yep, and that's how the Lord has really helped me, because, you know, we get all kinds of things thrown at us, physically sometimes, for the most part, verbally. You're this, you're that, and I can just calmly and confidently answer, Oh, I'm not. Why? Because I'm confident in what God's Word says. I'm confident in the work that the Lord has done in my heart, and that really helps us when we're trying to come from a perspective of calmness and confidence to convey that to a mother who's not those things.

24:15 It can help us to win them over. That's right. And then as soft answer turns away wrath is is a perfect example of that. Also, if we're what they're not, it can also diffuse what is it usually a very angry, frightened situation for them and demeanor for them. So yeah, so you tell you talked about earlier on that the we can have the right demeanor, we can say the right words but we can say them at the wrong time. Yeah, timing is very important and like what I think what I talked about in the article that will accompany this on our sidebox for life site and I think a company with this podcast. One of the timing issues for me that became very evident the longer I have been out on the sidewalk is the women are using God's love and forgiveness to justify abortion. Yeah, and so that is such an important truth. We've said this many times.

25:22 It is such an important truth to convey at some point, but not at the moment, right as they're entering the abortion center. And it's of one of the few things that I can think of that I believe truly can end up being destructive. That we say is talking feeding into that. It's their misperceiving the whole truth of God's forgiveness and love. But nonetheless, if we feed into that, however unwittingly, we can kind of send them even faster in, yeah, to go have the abortions. A lot of these women are grasping for justification to kill their child, grasping for a justification to shrug off their conscience. That is speaking to them. There is a level of conviction there unless they've completely seed their conscience right, and if we give them that justification, they grab a hold of it and they can walk in there and kill their child with the justification that well, God will forgive me.

26:21 Right. We've already touched on that, so I don't want to Labor that point. But timing is important and the message that we convey is important at those particular times. So, for for people who are listening who are maybe newer to this, they're probably thinking, because I would be thinking it. Then how do we know? How do we know what truth to speak when? And I mean I'd love to hear how you would answer that. I know experience does help. Yeah, but for someone who has no experience, how are what are some things that that we can offer to those people that they can discern when something should be spoken? What? When? The when?

27:11 For example, the message of God's forgiveness? You know, those women at some point are going to be leaving. Meant most of them, sadly, will have aboarded. Yeah, and if they are leaving having aborted and no one's out there, which sometimes is the case because there's only so long teams can be out there, depend on how late in the afternoon it is when they leave. Will they leave with the feeling that they are forever condemned right, that they can never be forgiven, which sadly fuels more and more and more abortions? Yeah, because they have kind of been believed. I've had one, I've had to I've had three Wa's one more. Yeah.

27:56 Yeah, well, I know we do touch on this in our podcast about forgiveness and when to talk about forgiveness. So I'll say just practically the message of forgiveness. I don't even approach that topic until after they've had the abortion right and really I'm not going to be calling that out anyway. I'm not going to be calling out, well, God will forgive you. Typically, if I'm going to talk about forgiveness, I want to get in a one on one conversation with them so I can break it down, break down this, this truth of God's willingness to forgive. Forgiveness is based upon a person's repentance and faith in Jesus. HMM, and it's not really possible for me to break that down. And you know, a fifteen second conversation or not conversation calling out from the door of the abortion center to their car right now.

28:48 I have been inclined at times when I see a young lady pulling out of the parking lot and she's obviously broken. Yeah, she's got tears in her eyes, her head is down. And know it's been a couple of years ago there was a situation a young lady pulled it out of the parking lot, stopped in the driveway, rolled down her window and she said tears in her eyes. I wish I will listen to the truth you guys were telling me out here and instead of the lies they were telling me inside of there. That happens more often than probably people realize. Yeah, that people instantly be grab what they have done. We had someone just last week. Yeah, or maybe it was the week before now. This was actually she was there for a follow up, because I dug into it a little bit more. Said, so, did you just have the abortion? She said no, I'm here. Had the took the abortion pail three weeks ago.

29:32 I'm here from my follow up. Yeah, saw you guys out here, heard what you were saying. I should have listened. Yeah, now I wish I would have. Yeah, and in that moment, what can I say? The do I just add insul to injury. Yeah, you should have listened, you wicked reprobect. You know, I could, I could have went that way. Didn't think the timing was right on that. She was already broken. Right, right, Jesus says he doesn't quench a smoking flax nor break a bruise. Read. If she's already bruised, I'm not going to break her the rest of the way. Right. Well, the Holy Spirit do that. She was already broken. Yeah, and so I'd get right into the forgiveness. Of Us. Listen. The fact that you're still breathing air shows me that God would still have mercy on you. He's allowing you to live. Right, you're not yet standing before him under his judgment. He's giving you time to repent. So you're already are obviously already broken. Now turn to the Lord. The Bible says that if we confess our sins, he's faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. There's not a single unrighteous act that you have done that Jesus Christ can't cleanse you from, but you've got to confess your sin to him and put your trust in what he did on the Cross and that was as much as I was able to get out actually, because the security guard came along and shoot her out of the driveway. That's all a bit.

30:51 That's the basics of what she needs to hear. Was the basis. Yeah, not going to and I think we had to be careful again in this calling out scenario. But it's not only the individual that we're we're trying to really focus in on, because that's what we're doing. We're calling out with our natural voices, really focusing in on one person, right, because there's kind of like a general I would say, more like preaching that we can just be out there in front of the abortion clinic just preaching to everybody who will listen, and that can be effective where he's got for that. We do that on amplified sound, yeah, but when there's individuals, when there's an individual walking in, we're going to be addressing her individually. Yeah, kind of like a oneone calling out, but there's also other people that are listening. So if I'm going to if, let's say she comes out of the door and she's already got tears in her eyes and she's broken, I'm still probably not going to be calling out to her. God will forgive you, I might say, if you turn from your sin and put your trust in Jesus, God can forgive you. But I don't always want to imply like because it's almost like this attitude God will forgive you, like it's gonna Happen, and that's not necessarily true. We have this attitude of well, God will forgive you because, after all, he's like a button we push and all we have to do is push that button. He say I'm sorry and it's fine. He's beholding to US right and ultimately we've made a god in our own image. You want him to forgive us, and so we say he will forgive us. God doesn't have to forgive anyone for anything.

32:15 He doesn't have to. He's not beholding to us. He's God and we're not. He's willing to forgive all that repent and put their trust in Jesus. So the Bible says. So if you repent and put your trust in Jesus, if you do what David did and Psalm fifty one, David Broken over his sin, repented before the Lord, confessed his sin to the Lord and the Lord was willing to forgive him. Yeah, right, as far as we know he did not ever do anything like what happened with Bathsheba. Yeah, but try and repent it. Yeah, and so forgiveness. We have talked more, probably in some podcast in the past about that because that is such a critical thing to remember. But if if there is someone coming in and I'm trying to decide, okay, what am I going to call out, it's always those three talking points. But in terms of how some of the specifics of what I say sometimes relate to how I read their body language. You can read and tell someone who is scoffing and mocking and harsh and hard, and I might tend to be more firm in Truth and justice if I see that kind of body language. Words would ever, if they're then there are others that are coming in tearful and I'm probably going to be more gentle use more gentle language. So in terms of for if you're brand new, that's something to start looking for, is the body language of

33:47 the people that are going in and and and it sometimes helps you to tailor, yeah, how you say what you say in the timing and when you when you bring in things, and depending on. You know, you brought out something I wasn't even thinking as I was working on this article. Calling out isn't always as they're going in. Yeah, it is also sometimes as they're coming out. Yeah, and so I didn't really touch on this in the article, but you did a little bit. We do call out about abortion pill reversal. Yeah, if we know that they these are the pills that are coming out and, like you said on on a, certainly about repentance. Maybe not forgiveness so much yet, unless they come and talk with us, but certainly about what it means to truly repent. Yeah, for God. Yeah, a good point about the abortion peoll reversal. We kind of always want to plant that seat, right, but timing? Yeah, like I'm not going to be calling out as a woman is going into the abortion center going to kill her child. I'm not going to be calling out about the abortion pell reversal. I'm not be going to mention that exactly because I don't want to give them because she might be thinking you might latch on to them and say, well, okay, I'm considering taking the abortion Pew.

34:54 If I go in here and take it, though, these people say I can reverse it so I can I can go back on the decision. May as well hanging. Just go ahead and take care of this and then if I decide not to, I can just do what they're saying. Yeah, it's not a hundred percent effective and I don't want to give someone justification any measure to do that. Yeah, so I'm not only if I think and pretty confident that they've taken the abortion pill will I call out about the abortion pill reversal and I'm going to lay it out more of a generalized way and I'll say something to the effective. If you took the abortion pill, it's possible for that to be reversed and sometimes will even add it's not a hundred percent effective. If I have a little bit more at length, time to call this out. Not a hundred percent effective, but there can still be hoped for your baby. Right, God gives you a second chance.

35:37 I've to I've talked a lot about God as the God of Second Chances. But but the timing is really important that. And we've had a young lady who chose life for her baby, who had the abortion pill reversed because she heard someone called out to her. Right, you can go to abortion P REVERSALCOM and reverse the effects of that medication. She did that, got connected with my wife, who we did a podcast with some months ago. Yeah, and ended up her babies were saved bluepsh was a mother of twins, and so, yeah, that. But timing was important. Yeah, that particular scenario. Calling out also as they're coming out, something that introduces the idea maybe of if they have taken the pill, abortion pill reversal, but but have you changed your mind? I will call that out a lot as their coming out. If you changed your mind, we have so much help available for you. But if you have not and you took the pill, and then I'll go in to the abortion who reversal. And the reason that I do that is to counter the lie that has said that we won't help them. And if they have changed their mind, they're told don't stop.

36:45 Yeah, but if they don't stop, they don't know that there's all these resources available that can help them. So as they're coming out, that's a good time to call out, to plant the Seedt Hey, if you changed your mind, praise God. Yeah, please stop on your way out, because so often they don't. Yeah, but they at least now know, hey, there is help available and hopefully they can figure out how to get a hold of it. Yeah, then want to give just kind of like from our experience, a little a little tip or trick. Okay, and then I'm going to talk a little bit about calling out again and some of the frequency of calling out. Okay, if you see a woman going into the abortion center and you see her come in and out and in and out and in and out, that is an indication that she is not solid in that decision. And typically, if you see her go in and out, in and out, in and out, in and out and then she leaves before the abortionist gets there, that's typically a mom that has chosen life for her baby. That happened just today. Yeah, she was in and out, in and out, in and out. A guy was there with a two year old, look like a two year old toddler, who is with her. Both of them took information from us. So already we know and we called out the entire hour to that guy with the two year old.

37:59 Yeah, and and every time we saw her in and out, in and out, in and out, and they ended up leaf him be before the abortionist. Yeah, and I say that because we're talking about calling out. Some people might question the frequency. Like if you see a woman go into the abortion center, you call out to her while she's going in. Yeah, and then she comes back out and you call out to her when she comes back out going to her car, and then she goes back into the abortion center. You might think we'll should just stop. I don't. I don't want to annoy her. I want to keep on engaging, but I don't want to get on her nerves. I don't want to offend her or whatever. Yeah, and you might think it's if she's already heard. Right, I don't need to let her here again. He heard Tenner's fifteen seconds. Yeah, keep listen. We I won't. I won't stop calling out to a woman going into the abortion center until she specifically will tell me leave me the blank alonge right. Most of the time, if they say leave me the blank alone, I will. Yea, I will. I will say I'll give them count one, the last little sting of truth, and then I'll let God deal with them. Yeah, because I think there's this dynamic of giving your pearls to swine, like Jesus said, given what's Holy, two dogs listen if they if they've shut down the conversation. They don't want to hear from you. Okay, then when they stand before God, they won't be able to accuse you. I'm not having told them the truth.

39:15 Right. Yeah, and so most of the time. But if they don't say anything but along those lines, I'm going to keep calling out, I'm going to keep engaging with them, I'm going to keep given information to them. And we had a young lady that chose life a couple of years ago. Mama the I won't give her name, okay, but I don't know if you remember. We did an interview with her and we asked her about that. Is One of the things she said actually helped her to choose life is that we didn't give up, that we don't give up, and the Bible is filled with versus about persevere and we do train our counselors. If there's a mom in side, no matter how many times, you just keep giving her seats of truth. Yeah, because you know now the hard part in that, and I will say it is hard, is it'd be better to be saying something different. You sure time you see her. Sometimes it's hard to remember what you've said. But if you can plant a different seat of truth. You just never know what might be the thing that captures her heart. Yeah, absolutely so. So, yeah, to keep don't give up. And and every time you see a mom, continue to call out, always, again, usually in those for those three talking points.

40:36 Yeah, but try to make them different to the same mother that you've seen open and I'm like, say, if I saw a woman go in and out, in and out, and I recognize that, or man going in and out and in and out, all acknowledge that. Say, I've seen you go in, out right and out several times. UPS Right, you obviously don't want to do that. Yeah, please come and talk with yeah, because you're giving voice to what you're seeing, the action that you're seeing, which is, you know, a very reasonable thing to assume. The ones that are determined, you don't see them again for three hours. They just sit in there. Most of the time. I mean not always, but but you can maybe even just put that as soon as you've verbalized it. Maybe they haven't consciously thought that's why I'm in and out, in and out, and you've just given that voice. That can add to that indecision, which you want. Yeah, you want them to recognize that conflict, and I hear US say all the time, all of us, if you really look like there is conflict in your heart, that is a good thing.

41:31 God has planted that there for no good purpose. Absolutely. Yeah. Well, I think we're about ready to wrap this up, but it want to touch on this last point that you made, or last major point, which is countering some of the lies. Right, and it's really what our three talking points do. Counter the lies, counter the lies that God is okay with this, because that is one of the laws that many of these women embrace, is that God knows my heart, God's forgiving and God loves me. Yeah, God loves me, which sums up basically, to sum it up, is God's okay with what I'm doing. Right, and what God says about this biblically shows that he's not okay with this. Yeah, also countering the lies that their babies just a blob of tissue or a clump of sales. They've been told that lie. Hmmm, and we counter that about talking about the humanity of the baby. Your baby's heart is already beating, your baby has brain waves. Babies a living human being. There can be sometimes, though, when we have to counterlies kind of like on the fly, where if you're calling out to somebody going into the abortion center and they called back to you things like it's not a baby. You know, I think we have to be careful in the way that we respond so that we're not we don't respond and just kind of this frantic, just reactionary way.

42:47 But if we have the truth in us and we've got these kind of three talking points kind of ingrained in our minds, we can respond very quickly with well, actually know, your baby's heart is already beating, responding with those trues. It's not a Blob of tissue, it's actually your child, your son or daughter, that you're about to kill inside of that place. HMM. And so we are supposed to bring the truth in contradiction to the lies that they're being told, and we do that when we're calling out to them going into the abortion center. Yeah, and the more that you have that truth in you, the more quickly you can respond. We did put in this article a website that gives just additional information about what are some really common lies that are told. Yeah, and some ways to counter some of those lies, some biblical, some just medical and scientific, and I found it really helpful. So that that's in the article. It's by Randy alcorn.

43:40 Yeah, okay, and we'll have this article out and they'll be a link to that article within the article that you talked about. Yeah, and then just wrap it up. I think we always touch on this point. Yeah, having the word in you. Yeah, having the have them, the scripture in you. So when you get those people that call as you're calling out what God says and they respond, well, God'll forgive me, you can respond, you can respond scripturally. Well, there remains no remission for sin without repentance. Yeah, so are you repentant? Right, and then if they say they are, then you talk about the meaning of repentance. But so, yes, you're exactly right. You gotta you got to have it in you, though, because on the fly you can't say, well, just a second, let me just come through what the Bible says about that and get back to you. Yeah. So, having the word in US and then ultimately relying on the Lord. We can give you all kinds of practical stuff, we can give us some of our experiences, but God knows a lot more than we do and if you're led by the Holy Spirit, God can give you what to say in the moment. Yeah, God can give you the perfect response, because only he knows the perfect response, right, but understanding of course, that even if you give the perfect response, it's between that person and the Lord what they do with that response.

44:57 So our responsibility is, as we started, to obey God. We want them to come over and talk with us, get in a one on one conversation with us, but ultimately it's between them of the Lord whether they do that and where that even when we have a one on one conversation, where it goes. But with that we're going to wrap this episode up. Please reach out to us, Daniel Love Life Dot Org Vicki at Love Life Dot Org, if you've got suggestions for future podcast, if you've got questions about anything that we've covered, if you want to get on board with what we've mentioned our sidewalk one hundred and one training we do every the first Saturday of every month from two PM to four PM eastern time. If you want to get on board with that, reach out. I'll send you over just a little application you'll have to fill out and we'll look over just to make sure you fit the criteria of folks that can attend. That basically that you know Jesus you're going to honor him in the way that you serve on the sidewalk. But I think that's basically it. So until next time, God bless, God bless. Give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious. And some met you