Sidewalk Training: Calling out

WEBVTT100:00:02.919 --> 00:00:08.109I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:08.470 --> 00:00:13.710Lord, I am yours. I'mwelcome to the Gospel Center pro life300:00:13.789 --> 00:00:17.390podcast. In this episode we're goingto continue to do some training and talk400:00:17.429 --> 00:00:21.149about calling out to those going intothe abortion center. We think this will500:00:21.149 --> 00:00:29.980be a blessing to you, sostay tuned. I felt show passis touch600:00:30.420 --> 00:00:40.729your heart. Use Me. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.700:00:40.890 --> 00:00:45.490We appreciate you guys tuning in asalways. Appreciate you guys listening to this800:00:45.649 --> 00:00:49.450podcast and also would appreciate if youwould share this podcast, if you would900:00:49.450 --> 00:00:54.479leave us a positive review. We'dlove to just get some positive reviews to1000:00:54.520 --> 00:00:58.640cover up some of the bad,nasty negative reviews. And some of those1100:00:58.679 --> 00:01:03.390negative reviews are still coming in.Actually. We've got like eighteen, almost1200:01:03.390 --> 00:01:08.510one Thousan nineteen hundred reviews on ourpodcast and ninety eight percent of those are1300:01:08.590 --> 00:01:14.390negative from our pro abortion friends whohate what we're doing. But, as1400:01:14.469 --> 00:01:18.390we always say, if the enemyis pushing back, you know you're doing1500:01:18.469 --> 00:01:21.659the right thing. Right you're overthe target if the enemy is firing at1600:01:21.739 --> 00:01:23.859you. So we're over the target. Least we hope that we are.1700:01:25.219 --> 00:01:27.620We hope we're over the target withit, with training and equipping you guys.1800:01:27.659 --> 00:01:32.459Hopefully you've been blessed by our pastI don't know how many weeks we've1900:01:32.459 --> 00:01:36.090been doing training episodes, maybe five, six weeks, something like that.2000:01:36.290 --> 00:01:41.969That yeah, and hopefully this episodewill be a blessing as we continue to2100:01:42.010 --> 00:01:47.519talk about training and cover some ofthe aspects that we train in our sidewalk2200:01:47.560 --> 00:01:52.480one hundred and one training we mentionedwhile we're doing this is so that we2300:01:52.560 --> 00:01:55.799can go in in depth a littlemore about some of the subjects that we2400:01:55.879 --> 00:01:59.400cover in our training that we're notable to go in very much depth.2500:01:59.519 --> 00:02:00.989It is a one hundred and onetraining that we do. One hundred and2600:02:01.030 --> 00:02:07.989one just kind of like basic surfacelevel stuff, but folks want more,2700:02:07.469 --> 00:02:12.909so we're going to dig in more. We're going to dig into today calling2800:02:12.949 --> 00:02:16.419out there kind of four aspects.Was We talked last time about the three2900:02:16.460 --> 00:02:20.580talking points that we share. Right, the three talking points that we touch3000:02:20.659 --> 00:02:23.900on is we're talking to an abortionmind of mom dad, people going into3100:02:23.900 --> 00:02:28.139the abortion center, and there's reallyfour different scenarios, I guess, in3200:02:28.219 --> 00:02:35.689which you, which you vocalize orvisualize as we talked about signage. That's3300:02:35.729 --> 00:02:38.810one of the four ways that youreach out to people using these three talking3400:02:38.889 --> 00:02:42.490points, is through signage. Idon't know that we'll do a podcast about3500:02:42.490 --> 00:02:46.120that, since we did do onecouple of months back about signage specifically.3600:02:47.439 --> 00:02:52.240But this one's about calling out.So the four aspects of reaching out to3700:02:52.360 --> 00:02:58.039abortion mind of women are calling out, handing out literature, one on one3800:02:58.120 --> 00:03:02.069conversations and signage. There's a kindof the four ways for modes of communication3900:03:02.629 --> 00:03:07.270at an abortion center. Yeah,and so today we're going to talk about4000:03:07.830 --> 00:03:12.349calling out, and what we meanby that is simply raising your voice so4100:03:12.430 --> 00:03:15.860that you can be heard. Thisis not at some abortion centers, like4200:03:16.020 --> 00:03:19.659our folks that are in Manhattan andsome of the other abortion centers, or4300:03:19.699 --> 00:03:22.699some of our folks are, thisis not something they're really going to employ.4400:03:23.539 --> 00:03:25.219True, they're on the sidewalk.You don't want to be yelling at4500:03:25.219 --> 00:03:29.370somebody as they're walking towards you onthe sidewalk. Yeah, but in our4600:03:29.370 --> 00:03:32.930scenario here in Charlotte, at everyone of the abortion centers, I guess4700:03:32.969 --> 00:03:37.169here in Charlotte you get some flittraffic from time to time, but for4800:03:37.210 --> 00:03:39.810the most part is vehicular traffic.People are pulling into a parking lot,4900:03:40.090 --> 00:03:44.159getting out of their car, walkingto the door of the abortion center and5000:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.719we're talking about calling out, we'retalking about communicating to them across the parking5100:03:46.759 --> 00:03:51.280lot to ultimately come over and talkto you. Right, they're at a5200:03:51.360 --> 00:03:54.750distance from US and actually most,I think, in unless you're like in5300:03:54.789 --> 00:03:59.870a big city where it's only thepeople walking up, you're going to have5400:03:59.990 --> 00:04:03.030to call out for them to hearyou from a distance. And just to5500:04:03.110 --> 00:04:06.629touch real quick when we've covered thethree talking points in the last episode,5600:04:08.830 --> 00:04:12.659we're including them in this calling outlike those are the things that we're calling5700:04:12.699 --> 00:04:15.659out. Those three talking points willprobably go over there over those, so5800:04:15.900 --> 00:04:18.500I'll just touch on them real quick. What God says, the humanity of5900:04:18.540 --> 00:04:24.220the baby and the recess resources thatare available. There's to the three points6000:04:24.259 --> 00:04:28.250that we're going to touch on incalling out. But let's talk real quick6100:04:29.370 --> 00:04:32.329about what is our goal, andwe did touch in the touch on this6200:04:32.529 --> 00:04:40.000in the three talking points podcast,what our goal is. But I won't6300:04:40.000 --> 00:04:45.360folks understand like when I say ourgoal is not just to deliver information.6400:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.879We certainly want to deliver information.We've got ten or fifteen seconds and in6500:04:50.000 --> 00:04:54.470our last episode we gave an exampleof what we might call out to someone6600:04:54.550 --> 00:04:57.310going into the abortion center, howwe might touch on those three talking points.6700:04:57.310 --> 00:05:00.069I gave mine, you gave yours. Right. So we certainly want6800:05:00.069 --> 00:05:04.790to deliver information. We want theinformation that we do, the the fifteen6900:05:04.910 --> 00:05:11.259second pitch or plea, like yousaid right, that we give, we7000:05:11.379 --> 00:05:15.379want it to be sufficient to bringthe truth to the people going in,7100:05:15.620 --> 00:05:18.220because the reality is, for themost part they're not going to stop in7200:05:18.259 --> 00:05:20.339their tracks, turn around and comeover and talk to us. Right.7300:05:21.170 --> 00:05:26.689So we want to give sufficient information, but we also want we don't want7400:05:26.689 --> 00:05:30.250to just have a mentality of well, I'm just going to give information and7500:05:30.329 --> 00:05:33.889that's it. We want them tocome over and engage with us more in7600:05:34.089 --> 00:05:38.279depth. HMM, yeah, yeah, so that's kind of the bottom line7700:05:38.279 --> 00:05:42.480purpose. We want them to comeand talk with us. But there's a7800:05:42.720 --> 00:05:48.879there's other purposes that are probably evenmore important really, as believers and followers7900:05:49.000 --> 00:05:53.629of Christ. Yeah, we wantto obey God. We're there. Are8000:05:53.750 --> 00:05:58.149One of our goals and calling outas we are obeying God in what he8100:05:58.389 --> 00:06:00.430tells us, in speaking for thosewho can't speak for themselves. Yeah.8200:06:00.629 --> 00:06:08.100So, so we are obeying Godand presumably glorifying him. Yeah, in8300:06:08.420 --> 00:06:13.379in what we're calling out and thatwe are conveying truth. Yeah, that8400:06:13.579 --> 00:06:16.180that our goal is, that weconvey truth. So, while we want8500:06:16.220 --> 00:06:21.170them to come talk with us,we wouldn't lie to have them come talk8600:06:21.250 --> 00:06:27.170with us, because that would notreach that very important goal of conveying God's8700:06:27.290 --> 00:06:30.449truth. Yeah, to them.Yeah, and other truth, scientific truth8800:06:30.449 --> 00:06:36.560as well, baby development truth.But we're speaking truth and in obedience to8900:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.079God. And I think maybe there'smore you can think of, but to9000:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.560me, as I was thinking aboutit, I always love starting with the9100:06:44.199 --> 00:06:48.910thought of why am I there?What is my purpose? Because my purpose9200:06:49.589 --> 00:06:57.430I can probably fulfill if, ifit's clear, yeah, to to what9300:06:57.589 --> 00:07:01.819that purpose is, and purpose ismaybe different from results. Yeah. So9400:07:02.259 --> 00:07:05.500that's why I like to think aboutthat from from the get go and train9500:07:05.579 --> 00:07:09.779our counselors to think about that.Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah,9600:07:09.860 --> 00:07:13.660first and foremost, we're out therein obedience to God. We're not out9700:07:13.660 --> 00:07:18.529there just to make ourselves feel likebetter Christians or anything like that. We're9800:07:18.569 --> 00:07:23.610other in obedience to God and theresults are up to the Lord. Yeah,9900:07:24.129 --> 00:07:29.769but under that kind of the overarchingpurpose or goal is to obey God.10000:07:29.930 --> 00:07:33.120Yeah, proverbs eighty nine, openyour mouth for the speechless and the10100:07:33.199 --> 00:07:36.079cause of all who are pointed todie. Open your mouth, judge,10200:07:36.079 --> 00:07:41.079righteously, plead the cause of thepoor and needy. That's what we're doing.10300:07:41.199 --> 00:07:45.230We're calling out, we're pleading thecause of those babies that are poor10400:07:45.389 --> 00:07:48.550needy. We're doing that first andforemost in obedience to God, and then10500:07:48.550 --> 00:07:54.189we're doing that out of compassion forthat baby. Right. Yeah, and10600:07:54.870 --> 00:07:59.060so, yeah, as a kindof, I guess, low level goal10700:07:59.579 --> 00:08:03.500under the under the high level goalof glorifying God. The low level goal10800:08:03.660 --> 00:08:07.939can be, though, again,not just delivering information, not just delivering10900:08:09.100 --> 00:08:13.610truth, right, but delivering truthin such a way that it would compel11000:08:13.449 --> 00:08:16.250one of the mothers going into theabortion center to actually come over and to11100:08:16.250 --> 00:08:22.009engage with us in a conversation.Yeah, and there's a way that we11200:08:22.089 --> 00:08:26.360can do that. Listen, I'vedone the I think now, from this11300:08:26.560 --> 00:08:31.840perspective, now being out there foryears, the ineffective just delivering information,11400:08:31.919 --> 00:08:37.480mm, just calling out whatever comesto mind, whatever truth might come to11500:08:37.559 --> 00:08:41.149mind. Listen, you can saya true thing in a wrong way.11600:08:41.470 --> 00:08:46.350Right, you can deliver truth.The Bible says if you bless your brother11700:08:46.509 --> 00:08:50.230early in the morning loudly, itwill be perceived as a curse. Yeah,11800:08:50.429 --> 00:08:54.389that's in proverbs. Yeah, forgetthe chapter in verse, but I11900:08:54.750 --> 00:08:58.940promise you it's in there. Yeah, so there is like timing can matter.12000:08:58.019 --> 00:09:01.580If you bless your brother early inthe morning, I mean you could12100:09:01.580 --> 00:09:05.539speak a wonderful blessing of your brother, but do it really loud right early12200:09:05.580 --> 00:09:09.740in the morning, he's not goingto be blessed by yes, and timing.12300:09:09.860 --> 00:09:11.769Timing and manner are both important,and we actually do talk about this12400:09:13.090 --> 00:09:16.450a little bit later. I'm inmanner. The delivery doesn't matter. It12500:09:16.570 --> 00:09:20.970does. And so you can bespeaking and you can speak some really foundational12600:09:20.009 --> 00:09:22.970truths to a mother going into theabustion center. But if you're timing is12700:09:24.129 --> 00:09:30.159off and if you're your demeanor andthe way that you come across as far12800:09:30.200 --> 00:09:35.960as like yelling frantically, if that'snot in check, right then it can12900:09:35.039 --> 00:09:39.070just be it can be perceived asa curse. Right, right, right.13000:09:39.470 --> 00:09:45.110So, so we know that weneed to speak truth and we know13100:09:45.190 --> 00:09:48.549that we need to glorify God.Yeah, and we want them to come13200:09:48.669 --> 00:09:52.269to speak to us. So howdo we do that? So you touched13300:09:52.350 --> 00:09:54.700on on many of them. Oneof them, I think, one of13400:09:54.740 --> 00:09:58.460the first things, because it's thefirst thing they're going to see, is13500:09:58.700 --> 00:10:01.139our demeanor. Yeah, you knowwhat we look like, and I don't13600:10:01.179 --> 00:10:07.409mean are we pretty or ugly oranything like that, but are we do13700:10:07.570 --> 00:10:11.049we seem approachable, right? Andhow can we do that? How can13800:10:11.090 --> 00:10:16.409we make our ourselves up here asapproachable as possible? Yeah, I think13900:10:16.450 --> 00:10:20.840one of the most basic ways ishaving a smile on your face. Yes,14000:10:22.000 --> 00:10:24.440like with anything, if someone hasa smile on their face, it14100:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.720makes them look and feel more approachable. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah,14200:10:28.759 --> 00:10:33.759even though it's a heavy scenario,they're killing babies inside of that place.14300:10:33.799 --> 00:10:39.149Yeah, and it's reason for usto to look really under it,14400:10:39.990 --> 00:10:46.269really sad, or being great orangry. Yep, Yep, that's not14500:10:46.429 --> 00:10:48.990going to be what compels a personto come over and talk to us.14600:10:48.029 --> 00:10:52.980And the reality is that there's stilla God, Jesus Christ is still on14700:10:54.139 --> 00:10:56.620His throne, even if they're killingbabies inside of that place. And if14800:10:56.659 --> 00:11:00.860you're a child of God, youbelong to the Lord he has saved you,14900:11:00.980 --> 00:11:03.740and so you have every reason,in spite of all the the stuff15000:11:03.740 --> 00:11:07.049that goes on in the world,you have every reason to have joy and15100:11:07.210 --> 00:11:11.330to let that joy show forth onyour face, in your demeanor. You15200:11:11.450 --> 00:11:13.690know, when I go walking throughthe mall, back in the old days,15300:11:13.730 --> 00:11:18.120when I could go walking through themall without a face covered up.15400:11:18.159 --> 00:11:24.879Yeah, those people that are hawkingthe jewelry and the the perfumes and stuff,15500:11:24.879 --> 00:11:28.080you know, that stand in themiddle, awesome middle. We can15600:11:28.159 --> 00:11:31.399learn a lot from them. Okay, thanks. Think about the ones that15700:11:31.639 --> 00:11:37.029you're willing to pause, and almostalways they're always smiling. They're smiling,15800:11:37.029 --> 00:11:43.470but oftentimes they use humor. Andthe ones that use humor I will stop15900:11:43.590 --> 00:11:46.259and speak to sometimes because they makeme laugh. Yeah, so, not16000:11:46.500 --> 00:11:50.740that you know what's happening at theabortion center is is certainly not funny.16100:11:50.779 --> 00:11:56.299It's the furthest thing from funny.But if you become very human in in16200:11:56.500 --> 00:12:01.340not only that you look approachable witha smile, but maybe even say something16300:12:01.570 --> 00:12:07.450that is lighthearted. And I youknow, I'm not thinking of anything right16400:12:07.570 --> 00:12:13.450offhand, but I know I've usedthat before. Something like they'll have something16500:12:13.610 --> 00:12:18.159on their shirt that says, Idon't know, talk to me. I16600:12:18.240 --> 00:12:20.519don't know if that is something I'veever actually seen, but if I see16700:12:20.639 --> 00:12:24.679that, that to me is likea moment of where you can use a16800:12:24.720 --> 00:12:28.720little bit of humor in calling atthem. Hey, even your shirt says16900:12:28.759 --> 00:12:31.509come talk to me, so hecome talk with me, and I've heard17000:12:31.549 --> 00:12:35.549you use humor before and I wishI could think of a better example.17100:12:35.549 --> 00:12:39.269I can't, but as you're thinkingabout when you're trying to call out to17200:12:39.389 --> 00:12:45.220women in terms of the demeanor,that the more human you are. You're17300:12:45.340 --> 00:12:52.379not just there as they think youare, which is to condemn and tell17400:12:52.460 --> 00:12:58.929them everything that they are doing wrong, but you're there too because you're you17500:13:00.090 --> 00:13:05.090want something very valuable for them tohappen and to be conveyed. Yeah,17600:13:05.090 --> 00:13:09.370I think it's that kind of justrelational aspect, yeah, that we need17700:13:09.450 --> 00:13:13.000to be thinking about. We wantto build a relationship with them and in17800:13:13.120 --> 00:13:18.080a very short time. Yeah,and at the beginning of any relationship there17900:13:18.080 --> 00:13:20.120has to be kind of like breakingthe ice right, you think about it.18000:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.759We always talked about Ray Comfort.Yeah, talk about his evangelism.18100:13:24.799 --> 00:13:28.509If you ever watch any of hisvideos, the dude is so funny.18200:13:28.590 --> 00:13:31.669Now money. That's a good example. I love the way that he relates18300:13:31.710 --> 00:13:35.710to people. Yeah, I'm nottalking about like in front of the abortion18400:13:35.789 --> 00:13:39.509clinic, like we're cracking jokes andwhere, you know, I'm calling out18500:13:39.509 --> 00:13:41.059across the parking lot, right,cracking some joke. Right, knock,18600:13:41.059 --> 00:13:45.059knock, who's there? Anything likethat. Talking about that, right.18700:13:45.779 --> 00:13:48.460But he is, I think theword that using this article winsome. winsome,18800:13:50.379 --> 00:13:54.460and he is humorous and he doeshave some really humorous comebacks and just18900:13:54.620 --> 00:13:56.889things that really stick in your mind. And well, I can think of19000:13:56.009 --> 00:14:00.730one that he said that really struckme because I've used it since, is19100:14:01.049 --> 00:14:05.210is he'll go through where people havebroken the commandments to help them to be19200:14:05.330 --> 00:14:07.129aware of their sin, and he'llsay, have you ever told a lie?19300:14:07.570 --> 00:14:11.080And then they'll pausitate no, andhe said, well, now you19400:14:11.200 --> 00:14:18.000just proved that that that right becauseyou just lied and they laugh. They19500:14:18.080 --> 00:14:24.710laugh. So getting laughter. Ifif it's it has to be careful.19600:14:24.750 --> 00:14:28.149You have to be careful with thesehumor. But yeah, and I think19700:14:28.269 --> 00:14:33.509really what we're talking about is notbeing a sidewalk comedian, more talking about19800:14:33.950 --> 00:14:37.620being relatable, right, being likeyou said, a human being, because19900:14:37.659 --> 00:14:43.220what they're expecting is what they've beentold by the abortion clinic, Plan parenthood20000:14:43.220 --> 00:14:46.340or whatever the abortion clinic business iswhere they called and made their appointment.20100:14:46.340 --> 00:14:50.940Yeah, sometimes they tell him this. Sometimes I think they don't, but20200:14:50.419 --> 00:14:54.529we've heard here locally they tell himyou're going to encounter a bunch of angry20300:14:54.529 --> 00:14:58.370protesters on the sidewalk. Ignore themand, if you can really ride a20400:14:58.370 --> 00:15:03.570away show them that what they weretold on the phone is not true.20500:15:03.649 --> 00:15:07.159It might help them start on thepathway to doubting the other things that they20600:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.279were told. They were told,and I've heard this from people come walking20700:15:11.320 --> 00:15:13.240up to me. Hey, theytold me you guys are a bunch of20800:15:13.240 --> 00:15:18.159angry protesters, and doesn't seem likeyou guys are angry at all. Seems20900:15:18.200 --> 00:15:20.279like you're out here to help people. I mean you have literally had abortion21000:15:20.360 --> 00:15:24.230minded dad's come over and talking withme because what they heard that we were21100:15:24.269 --> 00:15:28.509we weren't right, and it helpsme kind of chip away at some of21200:15:28.509 --> 00:15:31.830the other things that they were toldby the abortion clinic. Yeah, very21300:15:31.870 --> 00:15:33.710good, he's not a baby.Yeah, that the doctors are good people.21400:15:35.230 --> 00:15:37.059Yeah, they are going to helpthem with their issue. Yeah,21500:15:39.019 --> 00:15:41.580so, yeah, being human,being relatable, because again, the goal21600:15:41.820 --> 00:15:46.779is ultimately to glorify God and sowe're not going to be, you know,21700:15:46.940 --> 00:15:50.490we're not going to be talking abouthow cool it is smoked pot or21800:15:50.570 --> 00:15:54.090something like that, because we gotto honor God first. But we do21900:15:54.250 --> 00:15:58.049want them to ultimately come over andtalk with us. So being relatable show22000:15:58.049 --> 00:16:00.649them that you're a human being.I mean, I've seen things. Maybe22100:16:00.690 --> 00:16:04.679an example would be I see somebodygoing in with a with a star wars22200:16:04.799 --> 00:16:08.440t shirt on it, especially ifI see him with the Mandalorian. I22300:16:08.519 --> 00:16:12.960know you probably haven't watched that.No, but I have and I like22400:16:14.639 --> 00:16:18.190the shows pretty cool. And reallythe overarching theme of the Mandalorian is that22500:16:18.350 --> 00:16:22.870real men protect children, like hiswhole because whole thing through the whole episode22600:16:22.950 --> 00:16:27.590is protecting the child, the littlebaby Yoda, and so if I see22700:16:27.590 --> 00:16:32.629a man with a baby Yoda orwith the Mandalorian something around his shirt or22800:16:32.669 --> 00:16:33.940whatever, I'm a play on that. Yeah, and I might be a22900:16:34.019 --> 00:16:37.460little humorous with it, but Iwant him to come over and talk with23000:16:37.539 --> 00:16:41.259me. I want to be relatableand I think that's the main point with23100:16:41.419 --> 00:16:45.299this is that want to be relatable, want to be approachable. Well,23200:16:45.379 --> 00:16:48.649I think we can make the sameerror in talking to the women and the23300:16:48.730 --> 00:16:53.450men coming as they have made regardingtheir baby, which is to deep dehumanized.23400:16:53.690 --> 00:16:59.289I think that our mission is soimportant and so God driven that we23500:16:59.490 --> 00:17:03.399can almost look more at the missionthan at the people. Yeah, that23600:17:03.519 --> 00:17:07.200are that are coming in. Andso I think talking about being relational,23700:17:07.319 --> 00:17:15.470remembered, they're human beings themselves withstruggles and feelings and and and we need23800:17:15.589 --> 00:17:21.750to treat them in that way andrespectfully as as much as possibly. Our23900:17:21.789 --> 00:17:26.630demeanor should be one of respect.One of our youngsters was out today and24000:17:26.990 --> 00:17:30.299and he kind of started getting intoa little bit of name called Lane,24100:17:30.579 --> 00:17:36.500and I reminded him that that isnever a good idea. Never it's never24200:17:36.579 --> 00:17:41.220appropriate before God, but it's notappropriate if that if our desires that they24300:17:41.220 --> 00:17:44.450would come and talk with us.Sure. So respect should be a part24400:17:44.490 --> 00:17:47.930of our demeanor as well. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, which kind of24500:17:47.930 --> 00:17:51.930gets into that that that next one. Our attitude. Yeah, and our24600:17:52.009 --> 00:17:56.890attitude respectful as part of what ourattitude should be. Yeah. Also,24700:17:56.170 --> 00:18:02.480I think biblically, we should havean attitude of confidence. Yeah, that24800:18:02.599 --> 00:18:07.119should be conveyed at me people.We think about what's conveyed on our face24900:18:07.279 --> 00:18:08.720and all of that, and there'sonly so much you can do with your25000:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.000face. I mean, you gota bunch of muscles there, but you25100:18:11.039 --> 00:18:14.349can smile and you can frown.There's things you can do is your face.25200:18:15.109 --> 00:18:18.710But really, as human beings,there's this kind of maybe I'm speaking25300:18:18.710 --> 00:18:22.869a little just personally, but Ithink you probably get it too, like25400:18:22.069 --> 00:18:26.779you're around people, there's almost likeis aura. Is that a pagan word?25500:18:27.019 --> 00:18:30.940There's almost like this atmosphere around peoplethat you can tell whether or not25600:18:32.019 --> 00:18:36.180they're fearful, whether or not they'reconfident with our whole body. Language says25700:18:36.220 --> 00:18:40.779that sometimes slump shoulders yet a hundredthere. Yeah, yeah, but if25800:18:40.900 --> 00:18:45.369we can they and it's not becausewe have confidence in the flesh. So25900:18:45.569 --> 00:18:48.410it needed say that right away.But if we can vey confidence, confidence26000:18:48.450 --> 00:18:52.089in what we're saying, that whatwe're saying is true, the what we're26100:18:52.130 --> 00:18:56.039saying has a solid foundation and ifwhat we're saying comes from the word of26200:18:56.119 --> 00:19:00.559God, it does have a solidfoundation. People pick up on that confidence.26300:19:00.839 --> 00:19:04.519That's right. We kind of havethis atmosphere of confidence not again.26400:19:04.559 --> 00:19:10.869I'm not talking about arrogance, talkingabout pride and needs to be done done26500:19:10.869 --> 00:19:14.269away with. We need to letthe Lord crucify our pride in our arrogance.26600:19:15.069 --> 00:19:18.150But if we have a confidence,and you read the Apostle Paul.26700:19:18.029 --> 00:19:22.309This guy was was a humble man, for sure, yeah, but he26800:19:22.430 --> 00:19:25.980was a confident man as well.You read the writings of the epistles of26900:19:26.059 --> 00:19:30.660Paul. He had the confidence thatcame from knowing God. And we can27000:19:30.700 --> 00:19:33.740have that same confidence and as we'recalling out and again, that the idea27100:19:33.859 --> 00:19:37.180that we want them to come overand talk to us as a very important27200:19:37.180 --> 00:19:41.049idea. Having that confidence with whatwe're saying. It's very important. And27300:19:41.130 --> 00:19:42.650I think you might ask, well, how does that come like? How27400:19:42.690 --> 00:19:47.769do I get confident, because Ihaven't done this very much, and or27500:19:47.809 --> 00:19:49.089maybe I haven't done this at alland I want to be confident, but27600:19:49.170 --> 00:19:52.799how can I be confident in somethingI've never done? Well, I think27700:19:53.000 --> 00:19:57.599your first step step of confidences puttingyour confidence, putting your trust in God,27800:19:59.000 --> 00:20:03.599being in the word right, butalso just doing it. Yep,27900:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.470nothing makes a person more confident thendoing it. And you get more confident28000:20:07.509 --> 00:20:11.549as you do it. Now,I will say strangely enough, people think28100:20:11.549 --> 00:20:15.349I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding. Every time I go on the sidewalk28200:20:15.390 --> 00:20:18.630and every time I raise my voiceto call out her, every time I28300:20:18.670 --> 00:20:22.420get on amplified sound, there's anervousness about me, right, yeah,28400:20:22.420 --> 00:20:25.500I mean I've the same way withspeaking before crowds and things like that.28500:20:25.859 --> 00:20:30.059Yeah, Um, I have aconfidence that, Yep, I've done in28600:20:30.140 --> 00:20:33.579the past, but I'm still stilla nervousness about me because I'm realizing that28700:20:33.740 --> 00:20:37.089I need to trust the Lords.We don't ever, shouldn't ever lose that28800:20:37.170 --> 00:20:41.369that we're trusting the Lord. Butthe more we do something, the more28900:20:41.569 --> 00:20:45.809confident we become in the Lord's abilityto work through us. And that's really29000:20:45.849 --> 00:20:49.000what it is. It's a confidencein the Lord's ability to work through us.29100:20:49.039 --> 00:20:52.400Yeah, you know the verse,I Happy Face makes the heart glad.29200:20:53.400 --> 00:20:57.519Okay, that it's in proverbs.So, and then there's the the29300:20:57.640 --> 00:21:03.519opposite one also. They're both inproverbs. But but, and they appear29400:21:03.559 --> 00:21:06.390to be contradictions, but they're not. But, but the one I happy29500:21:06.430 --> 00:21:11.630face makes the heart glad is sayingthat sometimes if you put on the externals29600:21:11.190 --> 00:21:15.589of what you want to be aninternal state. It kind of helps with29700:21:15.750 --> 00:21:21.660that internal state. So if I'mnot feeling confident but I'm still going to29800:21:22.059 --> 00:21:27.819speak as though I am, ithas a strange way of making you feel29900:21:29.380 --> 00:21:33.009then the way that you should actuallybe feeling. Okay, and and so30000:21:33.210 --> 00:21:40.289I will. I I think Ido that often, that that I just30100:21:40.650 --> 00:21:44.930I know that what I'm saying isimportant. I know that it's what God30200:21:45.049 --> 00:21:49.240has given me to say. SoI know it's of infinite value and that's30300:21:49.240 --> 00:21:53.279where my confidence is, in thatGod will enable me and what he has30400:21:53.400 --> 00:21:57.680given me is of infinite value forthese people to hear. And then I30500:21:57.839 --> 00:22:03.269am just going to do whatever confidentpeople do. Yeah, I'm going to30600:22:03.309 --> 00:22:11.950speak slowly, loudly, calmly,assertively, and that you start to feel30700:22:11.990 --> 00:22:15.309it and they feel it and Idon't know if that's right or wrong,30800:22:15.430 --> 00:22:18.019but I know it's something I doand I think it's biblical. I think30900:22:18.019 --> 00:22:21.539that that's what that is what thatverse is saying. Okay, yeah,31000:22:22.019 --> 00:22:25.019well, I know, just physically. I mean this is a little off31100:22:25.180 --> 00:22:29.339topic in the sense that we're nottalking about calling out, but I know31200:22:30.130 --> 00:22:33.329before the Lord like when I'm worshipingthe Lord, especially in personal prayer time,31300:22:33.369 --> 00:22:37.569I might stand, but when Itake a posture of humility, like31400:22:37.809 --> 00:22:41.690physically get on my knees, thatthat helps me to humble my heart.31500:22:41.690 --> 00:22:44.920So it could be a little bitof what you're talking about. Yeah,31600:22:44.920 --> 00:22:48.680that's very, very much yeah.So really, just to wrap up this31700:22:48.839 --> 00:22:52.400point, we need to be confident, but they're also needs to be a31800:22:52.680 --> 00:22:59.309calmness. So I would say acalm, confident demeanor. Yeah, and31900:22:59.470 --> 00:23:03.029attitude is very important. Yeah,and getting people to come over and talk32000:23:03.029 --> 00:23:04.710to you, in getting them justto listen to you, because if you32100:23:04.869 --> 00:23:10.869sound like some frantic, raving lunatic, God might use that, people might32200:23:10.950 --> 00:23:12.539come over and talk to you,but for the most part probably not.32300:23:12.859 --> 00:23:17.740That just going to keep on walkingbecause you're not communicating anything to them they32400:23:17.779 --> 00:23:21.140don't already have. They're all there'salready chaos, it's already confusion, there's32500:23:21.140 --> 00:23:26.380all already this this lack of confidencein themselves, right, and there's already32600:23:26.579 --> 00:23:30.569this lack of calmness, frantic.We want to make sure we convey to32700:23:30.609 --> 00:23:34.609them the opposite, that we actuallycome from a perspective of confidence and we're32800:23:34.650 --> 00:23:40.490calm right. You think about it, somebody that's confident, you can argue32900:23:40.529 --> 00:23:42.839with them all day, but ifthey're confident with they're saying that they don't33000:23:42.839 --> 00:23:47.279need to get all defensive and thingslike that. Yep, and that's how33100:23:47.519 --> 00:23:49.240the Lord has really helped me,because, you know, we get all33200:23:49.279 --> 00:23:53.319kinds of things thrown at us,physically sometimes, for the most part,33300:23:53.680 --> 00:23:57.869verbally. You're this, you're that, and I can just calmly and confidently33400:23:57.950 --> 00:24:02.589answer, Oh, I'm not.Why? Because I'm confident in what God's33500:24:02.589 --> 00:24:06.150Word says. I'm confident in thework that the Lord has done in my33600:24:06.349 --> 00:24:10.779heart, and that really helps uswhen we're trying to come from a perspective33700:24:10.900 --> 00:24:14.500of calmness and confidence to convey thatto a mother who's not those things.33800:24:15.299 --> 00:24:17.900It can help us to win themover. That's right. And then as33900:24:17.980 --> 00:24:21.779soft answer turns away wrath is isa perfect example of that. Also,34000:24:21.900 --> 00:24:26.769if we're what they're not, itcan also diffuse what is it usually a34100:24:26.890 --> 00:24:34.250very angry, frightened situation for themand demeanor for them. So yeah,34200:24:34.930 --> 00:24:38.880so you tell you talked about earlieron that the we can have the right34300:24:40.039 --> 00:24:47.000demeanor, we can say the rightwords but we can say them at the34400:24:47.039 --> 00:24:52.470wrong time. Yeah, timing isvery important and like what I think what34500:24:52.549 --> 00:24:57.190I talked about in the article thatwill accompany this on our sidebox for life34600:24:57.269 --> 00:25:04.150site and I think a company withthis podcast. One of the timing issues34700:25:04.710 --> 00:25:11.059for me that became very evident thelonger I have been out on the sidewalk34800:25:11.980 --> 00:25:18.700is the women are using God's loveand forgiveness to justify abortion. Yeah,34900:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.410and so that is such an importanttruth. We've said this many times.35000:25:22.450 --> 00:25:27.569It is such an important truth toconvey at some point, but not at35100:25:27.609 --> 00:25:33.450the moment, right as they're enteringthe abortion center. And it's of one35200:25:33.490 --> 00:25:37.960of the few things that I canthink of that I believe truly can end35300:25:37.000 --> 00:25:44.160up being destructive. That we sayis talking feeding into that. It's their35400:25:44.440 --> 00:25:49.789misperceiving the whole truth of God's forgivenessand love. But nonetheless, if we35500:25:51.069 --> 00:25:55.950feed into that, however unwittingly,we can kind of send them even faster35600:25:56.150 --> 00:25:59.349in, yeah, to go havethe abortions. A lot of these women35700:25:59.349 --> 00:26:03.380are grasping for justification to kill theirchild, grasping for a justification to shrug35800:26:03.500 --> 00:26:07.579off their conscience. That is speakingto them. There is a level of35900:26:07.700 --> 00:26:11.859conviction there unless they've completely seed theirconscience right, and if we give them36000:26:11.980 --> 00:26:17.259that justification, they grab a holdof it and they can walk in there36100:26:17.299 --> 00:26:19.730and kill their child with the justificationthat well, God will forgive me.36200:26:21.369 --> 00:26:22.410Right. We've already touched on that, so I don't want to Labor that36300:26:22.490 --> 00:26:29.569point. But timing is important andthe message that we convey is important at36400:26:29.930 --> 00:26:33.200those particular times. So, forfor people who are listening who are maybe36500:26:33.359 --> 00:26:37.519newer to this, they're probably thinking, because I would be thinking it.36600:26:38.240 --> 00:26:45.920Then how do we know? Howdo we know what truth to speak when?36700:26:47.190 --> 00:26:52.789And I mean I'd love to hearhow you would answer that. I36800:26:52.990 --> 00:26:57.430know experience does help. Yeah,but for someone who has no experience,36900:27:00.309 --> 00:27:03.980how are what are some things thatthat we can offer to those people that37000:27:04.380 --> 00:27:11.940they can discern when something should bespoken? What? When? The when?37100:27:11.140 --> 00:27:15.289For example, the message of God'sforgiveness? You know, those women37200:27:15.329 --> 00:27:18.049at some point are going to beleaving. Meant most of them, sadly,37300:27:18.369 --> 00:27:23.849will have aboarded. Yeah, andif they are leaving having aborted and37400:27:23.970 --> 00:27:27.369no one's out there, which sometimesis the case because there's only so long37500:27:27.490 --> 00:27:30.480teams can be out there, dependon how late in the afternoon it is37600:27:30.559 --> 00:27:37.839when they leave. Will they leavewith the feeling that they are forever condemned37700:27:37.880 --> 00:27:45.549right, that they can never beforgiven, which sadly fuels more and more37800:27:45.829 --> 00:27:51.029and more abortions? Yeah, becausethey have kind of been believed. I've37900:27:51.109 --> 00:27:55.910had one, I've had to I'vehad three Wa's one more. Yeah.38000:27:56.109 --> 00:28:00.180Yeah, well, I know wedo touch on this in our podcast about38100:28:00.180 --> 00:28:06.099forgiveness and when to talk about forgiveness. So I'll say just practically the message38200:28:06.140 --> 00:28:11.259of forgiveness. I don't even approachthat topic until after they've had the abortion38300:28:11.339 --> 00:28:15.410right and really I'm not going tobe calling that out anyway. I'm not38400:28:15.529 --> 00:28:18.609going to be calling out, well, God will forgive you. Typically,38500:28:18.609 --> 00:28:21.329if I'm going to talk about forgiveness, I want to get in a one38600:28:21.490 --> 00:28:23.769on one conversation with them so Ican break it down, break down this,38700:28:23.890 --> 00:28:30.720this truth of God's willingness to forgive. Forgiveness is based upon a person's38800:28:30.759 --> 00:28:36.440repentance and faith in Jesus. HMM, and it's not really possible for me38900:28:36.519 --> 00:28:41.789to break that down. And youknow, a fifteen second conversation or not39000:28:41.910 --> 00:28:47.869conversation calling out from the door ofthe abortion center to their car right now.39100:28:48.190 --> 00:28:52.829I have been inclined at times whenI see a young lady pulling out39200:28:52.829 --> 00:28:56.140of the parking lot and she's obviouslybroken. Yeah, she's got tears in39300:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.099her eyes, her head is down. And know it's been a couple of39400:29:00.140 --> 00:29:03.220years ago there was a situation ayoung lady pulled it out of the parking39500:29:03.299 --> 00:29:07.940lot, stopped in the driveway,rolled down her window and she said tears39600:29:07.980 --> 00:29:10.809in her eyes. I wish Iwill listen to the truth you guys were39700:29:10.849 --> 00:29:12.650telling me out here and instead ofthe lies they were telling me inside of39800:29:12.690 --> 00:29:18.250there. That happens more often thanprobably people realize. Yeah, that people39900:29:18.410 --> 00:29:21.690instantly be grab what they have done. We had someone just last week.40000:29:21.849 --> 00:29:23.210Yeah, or maybe it was theweek before now. This was actually she40100:29:23.359 --> 00:29:26.599was there for a follow up,because I dug into it a little bit40200:29:26.640 --> 00:29:27.960more. Said, so, didyou just have the abortion? She said40300:29:29.000 --> 00:29:32.359no, I'm here. Had thetook the abortion pail three weeks ago.40400:29:32.400 --> 00:29:33.960I'm here from my follow up.Yeah, saw you guys out here,40500:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.200heard what you were saying. Ishould have listened. Yeah, now I40600:29:37.319 --> 00:29:41.549wish I would have. Yeah,and in that moment, what can I40700:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.029say? The do I just addinsul to injury. Yeah, you should40800:29:45.029 --> 00:29:47.430have listened, you wicked reprobect.You know, I could, I could40900:29:47.430 --> 00:29:49.549have went that way. Didn't thinkthe timing was right on that. She41000:29:49.710 --> 00:29:55.500was already broken. Right, right, Jesus says he doesn't quench a smoking41100:29:55.579 --> 00:29:57.380flax nor break a bruise. Read. If she's already bruised, I'm not41200:29:57.380 --> 00:30:00.180going to break her the rest ofthe way. Right. Well, the41300:30:00.220 --> 00:30:03.460Holy Spirit do that. She wasalready broken. Yeah, and so I'd41400:30:03.500 --> 00:30:07.170get right into the forgiveness. OfUs. Listen. The fact that you're41500:30:07.210 --> 00:30:11.849still breathing air shows me that Godwould still have mercy on you. He's41600:30:11.890 --> 00:30:17.609allowing you to live. Right,you're not yet standing before him under his41700:30:17.769 --> 00:30:22.480judgment. He's giving you time torepent. So you're already are obviously already41800:30:22.559 --> 00:30:27.400broken. Now turn to the Lord. The Bible says that if we confess41900:30:27.559 --> 00:30:30.200our sins, he's faithful and justto forgive us our sins and to cleanse42000:30:30.240 --> 00:30:36.670us from all unrighteousness. There's nota single unrighteous act that you have done42100:30:37.589 --> 00:30:41.630that Jesus Christ can't cleanse you from, but you've got to confess your sin42200:30:41.789 --> 00:30:45.829to him and put your trust inwhat he did on the Cross and that42300:30:45.950 --> 00:30:48.430was as much as I was ableto get out actually, because the security42400:30:48.470 --> 00:30:51.420guard came along and shoot her outof the driveway. That's all a bit.42500:30:51.539 --> 00:30:53.339That's the basics of what she needsto hear. Was the basis.42600:30:53.420 --> 00:30:57.339Yeah, not going to and Ithink we had to be careful again in42700:30:57.500 --> 00:31:02.700this calling out scenario. But it'snot only the individual that we're we're trying42800:31:02.740 --> 00:31:04.329to really focus in on, becausethat's what we're doing. We're calling out42900:31:04.369 --> 00:31:08.089with our natural voices, really focusingin on one person, right, because43000:31:08.130 --> 00:31:11.410there's kind of like a general Iwould say, more like preaching that we43100:31:11.450 --> 00:31:15.049can just be out there in frontof the abortion clinic just preaching to everybody43200:31:15.049 --> 00:31:18.210who will listen, and that canbe effective where he's got for that.43300:31:18.289 --> 00:31:21.519We do that on amplified sound,yeah, but when there's individuals, when43400:31:21.559 --> 00:31:25.799there's an individual walking in, we'regoing to be addressing her individually. Yeah,43500:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.160kind of like a oneone calling out, but there's also other people that43600:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.839are listening. So if I'm goingto if, let's say she comes out43700:31:30.880 --> 00:31:33.549of the door and she's already gottears in her eyes and she's broken,43800:31:33.829 --> 00:31:37.829I'm still probably not going to becalling out to her. God will forgive43900:31:37.829 --> 00:31:41.950you, I might say, ifyou turn from your sin and put your44000:31:41.990 --> 00:31:45.509trust in Jesus, God can forgiveyou. But I don't always want to44100:31:45.549 --> 00:31:51.140imply like because it's almost like thisattitude God will forgive you, like it's44200:31:51.220 --> 00:31:55.700gonna Happen, and that's not necessarilytrue. We have this attitude of well,44300:31:55.779 --> 00:31:59.779God will forgive you because, afterall, he's like a button we44400:31:59.900 --> 00:32:01.130push and all we have to dois push that button. He say I'm44500:32:01.210 --> 00:32:07.089sorry and it's fine. He's beholdingto US right and ultimately we've made a44600:32:07.210 --> 00:32:08.650god in our own image. Youwant him to forgive us, and so44700:32:08.769 --> 00:32:15.049we say he will forgive us.God doesn't have to forgive anyone for anything.44800:32:15.490 --> 00:32:17.480He doesn't have to. He's notbeholding to us. He's God and44900:32:17.559 --> 00:32:24.039we're not. He's willing to forgiveall that repent and put their trust in45000:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.799Jesus. So the Bible says.So if you repent and put your trust45100:32:28.839 --> 00:32:32.309in Jesus, if you do whatDavid did and Psalm fifty one, David45200:32:32.430 --> 00:32:37.430Broken over his sin, repented beforethe Lord, confessed his sin to the45300:32:37.549 --> 00:32:42.430Lord and the Lord was willing toforgive him. Yeah, right, as45400:32:42.509 --> 00:32:46.259far as we know he did notever do anything like what happened with Bathsheba.45500:32:46.460 --> 00:32:50.779Yeah, but try and repent it. Yeah, and so forgiveness.45600:32:50.819 --> 00:32:54.259We have talked more, probably insome podcast in the past about that because45700:32:54.339 --> 00:33:00.210that is such a critical thing toremember. But if if there is someone45800:33:00.369 --> 00:33:05.009coming in and I'm trying to decide, okay, what am I going to45900:33:05.089 --> 00:33:09.369call out, it's always those threetalking points. But in terms of how46000:33:10.289 --> 00:33:15.319some of the specifics of what Isay sometimes relate to how I read their46100:33:15.480 --> 00:33:22.480body language. You can read andtell someone who is scoffing and mocking and46200:33:22.880 --> 00:33:30.029harsh and hard, and I mighttend to be more firm in Truth and46300:33:30.230 --> 00:33:34.829justice if I see that kind ofbody language. Words would ever, if46400:33:34.990 --> 00:33:38.430they're then there are others that arecoming in tearful and I'm probably going to46500:33:38.470 --> 00:33:43.140be more gentle use more gentle language. So in terms of for if you're46600:33:43.259 --> 00:33:47.740brand new, that's something to startlooking for, is the body language of46700:33:47.859 --> 00:33:52.140the people that are going in andand and it sometimes helps you to tailor,46800:33:52.460 --> 00:33:55.329yeah, how you say what yousay in the timing and when you46900:33:55.490 --> 00:34:00.089when you bring in things, anddepending on. You know, you brought47000:34:00.089 --> 00:34:02.650out something I wasn't even thinking asI was working on this article. Calling47100:34:02.730 --> 00:34:07.490out isn't always as they're going in. Yeah, it is also sometimes as47200:34:07.529 --> 00:34:10.679they're coming out. Yeah, andso I didn't really touch on this in47300:34:10.760 --> 00:34:14.840the article, but you did alittle bit. We do call out about47400:34:14.880 --> 00:34:17.599abortion pill reversal. Yeah, ifwe know that they these are the pills47500:34:17.639 --> 00:34:22.719that are coming out and, likeyou said on on a, certainly about47600:34:22.800 --> 00:34:27.269repentance. Maybe not forgiveness so muchyet, unless they come and talk with47700:34:27.349 --> 00:34:30.510us, but certainly about what itmeans to truly repent. Yeah, for47800:34:30.670 --> 00:34:36.349God. Yeah, a good pointabout the abortion peoll reversal. We kind47900:34:36.349 --> 00:34:37.940of always want to plant that seat, right, but timing? Yeah,48000:34:38.260 --> 00:34:42.099like I'm not going to be callingout as a woman is going into the48100:34:42.139 --> 00:34:45.699abortion center going to kill her child. I'm not going to be calling out48200:34:45.980 --> 00:34:49.420about the abortion pell reversal. I'mnot be going to mention that exactly because48300:34:49.420 --> 00:34:52.179I don't want to give them becauseshe might be thinking you might latch on48400:34:52.300 --> 00:34:54.369to them and say, well,okay, I'm considering taking the abortion Pew.48500:34:54.730 --> 00:34:58.170If I go in here and takeit, though, these people say48600:34:58.170 --> 00:35:00.449I can reverse it so I canI can go back on the decision.48700:35:00.449 --> 00:35:02.170May as well hanging. Just goahead and take care of this and then48800:35:02.210 --> 00:35:05.650if I decide not to, Ican just do what they're saying. Yeah,48900:35:05.769 --> 00:35:08.320it's not a hundred percent effective andI don't want to give someone justification49000:35:08.400 --> 00:35:13.360any measure to do that. Yeah, so I'm not only if I think49100:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.880and pretty confident that they've taken theabortion pill will I call out about the49200:35:16.960 --> 00:35:20.920abortion pill reversal and I'm going tolay it out more of a generalized way49300:35:20.960 --> 00:35:22.670and I'll say something to the effective. If you took the abortion pill,49400:35:23.190 --> 00:35:28.030it's possible for that to be reversedand sometimes will even add it's not a49500:35:28.030 --> 00:35:30.670hundred percent effective. If I havea little bit more at length, time49600:35:30.789 --> 00:35:35.510to call this out. Not ahundred percent effective, but there can still49700:35:35.510 --> 00:35:37.300be hoped for your baby. Right, God gives you a second chance.49800:35:37.300 --> 00:35:40.539I've to I've talked a lot aboutGod as the God of Second Chances.49900:35:40.619 --> 00:35:45.420But but the timing is really importantthat. And we've had a young lady50000:35:45.420 --> 00:35:51.130who chose life for her baby,who had the abortion pill reversed because she50100:35:51.250 --> 00:35:52.809heard someone called out to her.Right, you can go to abortion P50200:35:52.969 --> 00:35:58.329REVERSALCOM and reverse the effects of thatmedication. She did that, got connected50300:35:58.369 --> 00:36:00.530with my wife, who we dida podcast with some months ago. Yeah,50400:36:00.849 --> 00:36:05.840and ended up her babies were savedbluepsh was a mother of twins,50500:36:06.519 --> 00:36:08.639and so, yeah, that.But timing was important. Yeah, that50600:36:08.760 --> 00:36:15.920particular scenario. Calling out also asthey're coming out, something that introduces the50700:36:16.119 --> 00:36:22.590idea maybe of if they have takenthe pill, abortion pill reversal, but50800:36:22.869 --> 00:36:27.110but have you changed your mind?I will call that out a lot as50900:36:27.150 --> 00:36:30.150their coming out. If you changedyour mind, we have so much help51000:36:30.190 --> 00:36:34.699available for you. But if youhave not and you took the pill,51100:36:34.739 --> 00:36:37.900and then I'll go in to theabortion who reversal. And the reason that51200:36:37.980 --> 00:36:42.940I do that is to counter thelie that has said that we won't help51300:36:43.019 --> 00:36:45.739them. And if they have changedtheir mind, they're told don't stop.51400:36:45.820 --> 00:36:49.730Yeah, but if they don't stop, they don't know that there's all these51500:36:49.809 --> 00:36:52.289resources available that can help them.So as they're coming out, that's a51600:36:52.409 --> 00:36:55.489good time to call out, toplant the Seedt Hey, if you changed51700:36:55.570 --> 00:37:00.570your mind, praise God. Yeah, please stop on your way out,51800:37:00.090 --> 00:37:04.239because so often they don't. Yeah, but they at least now know,51900:37:04.519 --> 00:37:07.960hey, there is help available andhopefully they can figure out how to get52000:37:07.960 --> 00:37:09.360a hold of it. Yeah,then want to give just kind of like52100:37:09.639 --> 00:37:14.599from our experience, a little alittle tip or trick. Okay, and52200:37:14.679 --> 00:37:17.670then I'm going to talk a littlebit about calling out again and some of52300:37:17.750 --> 00:37:22.389the frequency of calling out. Okay, if you see a woman going into52400:37:22.389 --> 00:37:27.909the abortion center and you see hercome in and out and in and out52500:37:28.150 --> 00:37:31.579and in and out, that isan indication that she is not solid in52600:37:31.659 --> 00:37:35.619that decision. And typically, ifyou see her go in and out,52700:37:35.659 --> 00:37:37.699in and out, in and out, in and out and then she leaves52800:37:37.260 --> 00:37:42.059before the abortionist gets there, that'stypically a mom that has chosen life for52900:37:42.139 --> 00:37:44.889her baby. That happened just today. Yeah, she was in and out,53000:37:44.969 --> 00:37:46.570in and out, in and out. A guy was there with a53100:37:46.769 --> 00:37:50.170two year old, look like atwo year old toddler, who is with53200:37:50.369 --> 00:37:54.289her. Both of them took informationfrom us. So already we know and53300:37:54.409 --> 00:37:59.159we called out the entire hour tothat guy with the two year old.53400:37:59.320 --> 00:38:01.559Yeah, and and every time wesaw her in and out, in and53500:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.880out, in and out, andthey ended up leaf him be before the53600:38:06.000 --> 00:38:09.079abortionist. Yeah, and I saythat because we're talking about calling out.53700:38:09.719 --> 00:38:13.869Some people might question the frequency.Like if you see a woman go into53800:38:13.909 --> 00:38:15.550the abortion center, you call outto her while she's going in. Yeah,53900:38:15.670 --> 00:38:17.869and then she comes back out andyou call out to her when she54000:38:17.949 --> 00:38:21.550comes back out going to her car, and then she goes back into the54100:38:21.550 --> 00:38:23.789abortion center. You might think we'llshould just stop. I don't. I54200:38:23.829 --> 00:38:28.780don't want to annoy her. Iwant to keep on engaging, but I54300:38:28.820 --> 00:38:30.739don't want to get on her nerves. I don't want to offend her or54400:38:30.820 --> 00:38:35.579whatever. Yeah, and you mightthink it's if she's already heard. Right,54500:38:35.619 --> 00:38:37.780I don't need to let her hereagain. He heard Tenner's fifteen seconds.54600:38:37.900 --> 00:38:43.369Yeah, keep listen. We Iwon't. I won't stop calling out54700:38:43.409 --> 00:38:46.809to a woman going into the abortioncenter until she specifically will tell me leave54800:38:46.849 --> 00:38:51.130me the blank alonge right. Mostof the time, if they say leave54900:38:51.170 --> 00:38:53.329me the blank alone, I will. Yea, I will. I will55000:38:53.329 --> 00:38:57.559say I'll give them count one,the last little sting of truth, and55100:38:57.679 --> 00:39:00.599then I'll let God deal with them. Yeah, because I think there's this55200:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.920dynamic of giving your pearls to swine, like Jesus said, given what's Holy,55300:39:06.000 --> 00:39:08.119two dogs listen if they if they'veshut down the conversation. They don't55400:39:08.119 --> 00:39:12.949want to hear from you. Okay, then when they stand before God,55500:39:13.030 --> 00:39:15.869they won't be able to accuse you. I'm not having told them the truth.55600:39:15.909 --> 00:39:19.070Right. Yeah, and so mostof the time. But if they55700:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.030don't say anything but along those lines, I'm going to keep calling out,55800:39:22.030 --> 00:39:27.219I'm going to keep engaging with them, I'm going to keep given information to55900:39:27.300 --> 00:39:30.739them. And we had a younglady that chose life a couple of years56000:39:30.739 --> 00:39:35.659ago. Mama the I won't giveher name, okay, but I don't56100:39:35.699 --> 00:39:39.250know if you remember. We didan interview with her and we asked her56200:39:39.250 --> 00:39:43.610about that. Is One of thethings she said actually helped her to choose56300:39:43.650 --> 00:39:45.969life is that we didn't give up, that we don't give up, and56400:39:46.130 --> 00:39:53.400the Bible is filled with versus aboutpersevere and we do train our counselors.56500:39:53.880 --> 00:39:58.599If there's a mom in side,no matter how many times, you just56600:39:58.840 --> 00:40:02.519keep giving her seats of truth.Yeah, because you know now the hard56700:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.190part in that, and I willsay it is hard, is it'd be56800:40:07.269 --> 00:40:12.429better to be saying something different.You sure time you see her. Sometimes56900:40:12.429 --> 00:40:15.789it's hard to remember what you've said. But if you can plant a different57000:40:15.829 --> 00:40:22.260seat of truth. You just neverknow what might be the thing that captures57100:40:22.300 --> 00:40:25.860her heart. Yeah, absolutely so. So, yeah, to keep don't57200:40:25.860 --> 00:40:30.539give up. And and every timeyou see a mom, continue to call57300:40:30.579 --> 00:40:36.130out, always, again, usuallyin those for those three talking points.57400:40:36.170 --> 00:40:39.130Yeah, but try to make themdifferent to the same mother that you've seen57500:40:39.210 --> 00:40:42.449open and I'm like, say,if I saw a woman go in and57600:40:42.530 --> 00:40:45.449out, in and out, andI recognize that, or man going in57700:40:45.530 --> 00:40:47.090and out and in and out,all acknowledge that. Say, I've seen57800:40:47.130 --> 00:40:50.760you go in, out right andout several times. UPS Right, you57900:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.280obviously don't want to do that.Yeah, please come and talk with yeah,58000:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.719because you're giving voice to what you'reseeing, the action that you're seeing,58100:40:57.800 --> 00:41:00.199which is, you know, avery reasonable thing to assume. The58200:41:00.400 --> 00:41:04.710ones that are determined, you don'tsee them again for three hours. They58300:41:04.789 --> 00:41:07.110just sit in there. Most ofthe time. I mean not always,58400:41:07.670 --> 00:41:12.949but but you can maybe even justput that as soon as you've verbalized it.58500:41:13.030 --> 00:41:15.469Maybe they haven't consciously thought that's whyI'm in and out, in and58600:41:15.550 --> 00:41:20.940out, and you've just given thatvoice. That can add to that indecision,58700:41:20.980 --> 00:41:23.139which you want. Yeah, youwant them to recognize that conflict,58800:41:23.179 --> 00:41:28.460and I hear US say all thetime, all of us, if you58900:41:28.699 --> 00:41:31.380really look like there is conflict inyour heart, that is a good thing.59000:41:31.739 --> 00:41:36.969God has planted that there for nogood purpose. Absolutely. Yeah.59100:41:37.530 --> 00:41:39.250Well, I think we're about readyto wrap this up, but it want59200:41:39.289 --> 00:41:43.929to touch on this last point thatyou made, or last major point,59300:41:43.969 --> 00:41:46.760which is countering some of the lies. Right, and it's really what our59400:41:46.840 --> 00:41:52.039three talking points do. Counter thelies, counter the lies that God is59500:41:52.079 --> 00:41:53.159okay with this, because that isone of the laws that many of these59600:41:53.199 --> 00:42:00.599women embrace, is that God knowsmy heart, God's forgiving and God loves59700:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.550me. Yeah, God loves me, which sums up basically, to sum59800:42:04.630 --> 00:42:07.190it up, is God's okay withwhat I'm doing. Right, and what59900:42:07.309 --> 00:42:10.030God says about this biblically shows thathe's not okay with this. Yeah,60000:42:10.309 --> 00:42:15.630also countering the lies that their babiesjust a blob of tissue or a clump60100:42:15.710 --> 00:42:19.219of sales. They've been told thatlie. Hmmm, and we counter that60200:42:19.260 --> 00:42:22.780about talking about the humanity of thebaby. Your baby's heart is already beating,60300:42:22.820 --> 00:42:27.300your baby has brain waves. Babiesa living human being. There can60400:42:27.340 --> 00:42:30.730be sometimes, though, when wehave to counterlies kind of like on the60500:42:30.809 --> 00:42:34.489fly, where if you're calling outto somebody going into the abortion center and60600:42:34.489 --> 00:42:38.090they called back to you things likeit's not a baby. You know,60700:42:38.929 --> 00:42:42.530I think we have to be carefulin the way that we respond so that60800:42:42.610 --> 00:42:45.880we're not we don't respond and justkind of this frantic, just reactionary way.60900:42:47.039 --> 00:42:51.280But if we have the truth inus and we've got these kind of61000:42:51.360 --> 00:42:54.480three talking points kind of ingrained inour minds, we can respond very quickly61100:42:54.599 --> 00:42:59.110with well, actually know, yourbaby's heart is already beating, responding with61200:42:59.190 --> 00:43:01.469those trues. It's not a Blobof tissue, it's actually your child,61300:43:01.630 --> 00:43:05.469your son or daughter, that you'reabout to kill inside of that place.61400:43:05.469 --> 00:43:09.789HMM. And so we are supposedto bring the truth in contradiction to the61500:43:09.949 --> 00:43:13.980lies that they're being told, andwe do that when we're calling out to61600:43:14.059 --> 00:43:16.579them going into the abortion center.Yeah, and the more that you have61700:43:16.739 --> 00:43:20.739that truth in you, the morequickly you can respond. We did put61800:43:20.820 --> 00:43:27.489in this article a website that givesjust additional information about what are some really61900:43:27.650 --> 00:43:32.289common lies that are told. Yeah, and some ways to counter some of62000:43:32.369 --> 00:43:37.329those lies, some biblical, somejust medical and scientific, and I found62100:43:37.329 --> 00:43:40.210it really helpful. So that that'sin the article. It's by Randy alcorn.62200:43:40.250 --> 00:43:44.079Yeah, okay, and we'll havethis article out and they'll be a62300:43:44.119 --> 00:43:47.800link to that article within the articlethat you talked about. Yeah, and62400:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.199then just wrap it up. Ithink we always touch on this point.62500:43:52.239 --> 00:43:54.710Yeah, having the word in you. Yeah, having the have them,62600:43:54.789 --> 00:43:58.869the scripture in you. So whenyou get those people that call as you're62700:43:58.909 --> 00:44:04.469calling out what God says and theyrespond, well, God'll forgive me,62800:44:04.829 --> 00:44:09.059you can respond, you can respondscripturally. Well, there remains no remission62900:44:09.139 --> 00:44:14.539for sin without repentance. Yeah,so are you repentant? Right, and63000:44:14.619 --> 00:44:16.739then if they say they are,then you talk about the meaning of repentance.63100:44:16.860 --> 00:44:20.780But so, yes, you're exactlyright. You gotta you got to63200:44:20.820 --> 00:44:22.900have it in you, though,because on the fly you can't say,63300:44:22.940 --> 00:44:27.849well, just a second, letme just come through what the Bible says63400:44:27.849 --> 00:44:30.050about that and get back to you. Yeah. So, having the word63500:44:30.130 --> 00:44:34.170in US and then ultimately relying onthe Lord. We can give you all63600:44:34.210 --> 00:44:37.250kinds of practical stuff, we cangive us some of our experiences, but63700:44:37.369 --> 00:44:40.760God knows a lot more than wedo and if you're led by the Holy63800:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.199Spirit, God can give you whatto say in the moment. Yeah,63900:44:45.239 --> 00:44:49.239God can give you the perfect response, because only he knows the perfect response,64000:44:49.239 --> 00:44:52.639right, but understanding of course,that even if you give the perfect64100:44:52.679 --> 00:44:55.789response, it's between that person andthe Lord what they do with that response.64200:44:57.110 --> 00:45:00.110So our responsibility is, as westarted, to obey God. We64300:45:00.230 --> 00:45:02.269want them to come over and talkwith us, get in a one on64400:45:02.309 --> 00:45:07.500one conversation with us, but ultimatelyit's between them of the Lord whether they64500:45:07.539 --> 00:45:10.340do that and where that even whenwe have a one on one conversation,64600:45:10.420 --> 00:45:15.059where it goes. But with thatwe're going to wrap this episode up.64700:45:15.460 --> 00:45:17.820Please reach out to us, DanielLove Life Dot Org Vicki at Love Life64800:45:17.860 --> 00:45:22.210Dot Org, if you've got suggestionsfor future podcast, if you've got questions64900:45:22.250 --> 00:45:25.769about anything that we've covered, ifyou want to get on board with what65000:45:25.849 --> 00:45:30.610we've mentioned our sidewalk one hundred andone training we do every the first Saturday65100:45:30.610 --> 00:45:34.449of every month from two PM tofour PM eastern time. If you want65200:45:34.449 --> 00:45:36.920to get on board with that,reach out. I'll send you over just65300:45:37.000 --> 00:45:39.480a little application you'll have to fillout and we'll look over just to make65400:45:39.519 --> 00:45:44.000sure you fit the criteria of folksthat can attend. That basically that you65500:45:44.079 --> 00:45:46.519know Jesus you're going to honor himin the way that you serve on the65600:45:46.559 --> 00:45:52.269sidewalk. But I think that's basicallyit. So until next time, God65700:45:52.309 --> 00:46:05.300bless, God bless. Give meour love for love, give me our65800:46:05.579 --> 00:46:16.659love for gratitude. I know itwill cost me my life. Nothing's too65900:46:16.900 --> 00:46:20.090precious. And some met you