Sidewalk Outreach Role-Play

WEBVTT100:00:01.720 --> 00:00:06.919I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me,200:00:07.269 --> 00:00:11.789Lord, I am yours. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast.300:00:12.029 --> 00:00:15.029As we've done some training, wethought it would be a good idea to400:00:15.109 --> 00:00:17.949give you guys an idea of whatwe say to an Abortion Min did mom500:00:17.989 --> 00:00:20.949and dad. We're going to doa little role playing in this episode,600:00:20.949 --> 00:00:32.979so stay with us. I feltshow passish, touch your heart. Use700:00:33.179 --> 00:00:40.850Me. Welcome to the Gospel Centerpro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening800:00:41.689 --> 00:00:45.329and we hope the past couple ofepisodes that we've done with some training has900:00:45.369 --> 00:00:48.770been a blessing to you. Hopeit's equipped you guys to be effective out1000:00:48.770 --> 00:00:51.039there on the sidewalk. Maybe someof you that are not going out to1100:00:51.079 --> 00:00:54.920the sidewalk, maybe it's encourage youto be involved. times we don't get1200:00:55.000 --> 00:01:00.200involved because we're intimidated, and theway to get unintimidated a lot of times1300:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.040just training right if you're going togo into battle. I can understand being1400:01:03.120 --> 00:01:08.189intimidated going into battle, and especiallyif you don't have the proper training and1500:01:08.310 --> 00:01:12.069all of that right. The moretraining you get, the more confident you1600:01:12.189 --> 00:01:15.469become, and so we hope thatthis training has been a blessing. I1700:01:15.709 --> 00:01:21.180think we're gonna we're going to dosomething, maybe a little, a little1800:01:21.340 --> 00:01:23.819out of the norm. Actually not, maybe definitely a little out of the1900:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.739noise. Haven't done this shot.We have not. Yeah, we've been2000:01:26.780 --> 00:01:30.140encouraged to do it. We've,I think, maybe once or twice in2100:01:30.299 --> 00:01:34.250our inperson trainings. We've done somerole playing stuff and I think it isn't2200:01:34.250 --> 00:01:38.250quipping equipping, though. We've hadpeople asked, could you please record a2300:01:38.370 --> 00:01:42.930conversation as you're counseling a mom carside? Could you please record that conversation2400:01:44.890 --> 00:01:46.969so we can just kind of listenin on what do you see? What2500:01:47.090 --> 00:01:49.159you say? Well, I can'tdo that. It's don't feel like.2600:01:49.719 --> 00:01:53.280I don't feel like it would bethe right thing to do to secretly record2700:01:53.359 --> 00:01:57.040a conversation between a woman and thenif I were to record it secretly,2800:01:57.120 --> 00:02:02.510I'd still want her permission to useit and if I did that it would2900:02:02.510 --> 00:02:06.310kind of be like a breach oftrust. I just I just don't feel3000:02:06.310 --> 00:02:08.469good about doing that. I don'tknow how you feel about that, but3100:02:08.590 --> 00:02:13.550yeah, not with the conversation.I have shared bits and pieces of text3200:02:13.990 --> 00:02:20.180right conversations that I've had and Ipurposely remove all of the identifying yes,3300:02:20.300 --> 00:02:23.780it's of information. Yeah, becauseit is. Well, what we're saying3400:02:23.860 --> 00:02:25.659is it's valuable. We get thatthat would be very valuable, but we3500:02:25.740 --> 00:02:29.740don't quite know how to do itethically. Yeah, right, yeah,3600:02:30.169 --> 00:02:31.930and I think maybe this is probablythe best we can do. Yeah,3700:02:32.409 --> 00:02:36.250just do a little bit of roleplaying. Yeah, so that's what we're3800:02:36.250 --> 00:02:39.930going to do. Vicki is goingto be the abortion minded woman. She's3900:02:39.969 --> 00:02:46.159talked to maybe thousands of abortion mindedwomen over the years, so she's got4000:02:46.199 --> 00:02:49.240a lot of basis for the conversation, some of the things that they might4100:02:49.280 --> 00:02:53.960say. Yeah, and I've gota little bit of experience in talking to4200:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.599abortion mounded women. So I'm goingto do the best I can to navigate4300:02:57.680 --> 00:03:00.669through the conversation, try, tryto really center the conversation around the three4400:03:00.710 --> 00:03:07.710talking points. I am not greatat acting and pretending the scenario was something4500:03:07.750 --> 00:03:10.830that's not so please bear with meif I sound a little weird, a4600:03:10.909 --> 00:03:17.300little like, I don't know,probably just weird. I'm sorry about that,4700:03:17.419 --> 00:03:21.780but I'm doing the best I canand role playing scenario. It kind4800:03:21.819 --> 00:03:24.060of I don't know, maybe I'mmore selfconscious than I need to be about4900:03:24.060 --> 00:03:28.129it, but just do the bestwe can. Just close your eyes and5000:03:28.210 --> 00:03:31.530pretend you're out there. Just picturethose people screaming at you, taunting you,5100:03:31.770 --> 00:03:36.289yeah, giving you the finger andyeah, sure. Well, I5200:03:36.370 --> 00:03:38.370do want to set the scenario foryou guys, and it's it's the scenario5300:03:38.490 --> 00:03:43.879that we have here in Charlotte wherewe've got our team on the public sidewalk5400:03:43.919 --> 00:03:46.520at the abortion center. Some ofyou guys who are listening, you've been5500:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.319to the abortion center home with trobedrive and so you've seen the scenario.5600:03:50.520 --> 00:03:53.680Some of you guys who in otherparts of the country, are the parts5700:03:53.719 --> 00:03:57.110of the world, haven't, soyou don't know what I'm talking about.5800:03:57.150 --> 00:04:00.150But if you can kind of imagine, there's an abortion center, it's a5900:04:00.189 --> 00:04:02.789freestanding building, there's a parking lotout in front of the abortion center,6000:04:02.870 --> 00:04:06.349there's a public sidewalks, which iswhere we stand, and then there's a6100:04:06.710 --> 00:04:11.259road that people drive down to getinto the abortion center. Most of the6200:04:11.300 --> 00:04:15.060people that stop in a one conversationare in the vehicle, in a vehicle,6300:04:15.420 --> 00:04:17.699so they're not there's not foot traffic, but I think a lot of6400:04:17.779 --> 00:04:24.730the same conversational stuff will apply tothose situations as well. But so that's6500:04:24.769 --> 00:04:29.410kind of the stage. So wehave our our team on the public sidewalk6600:04:29.449 --> 00:04:31.769there, we'll have somebody positioned atthe driveway, somebody positioned in front of6700:04:31.810 --> 00:04:35.769the abortion center calling out, somebodyposition of the other driveway and then,6800:04:35.810 --> 00:04:40.000if we have enough people, peoplepositioned around the corner up the road.6900:04:40.360 --> 00:04:43.839It's where a lot of people actuallystop and engaged there. And then we'll7000:04:43.920 --> 00:04:46.240have the mobile ultrasound unit, likewe've mentioned before, we have a mobile7100:04:46.240 --> 00:04:50.279ultrasound units, an RV. It'slike a mobile pregnancy center with a nurse7200:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.829on board, fore ultrasound, freepregnancy test available. So that's kind of7300:04:55.910 --> 00:04:59.310the the scenario there and it's normallywithin the line of sight. So if7400:04:59.350 --> 00:05:01.069you if you hear me suggesting,Hey, once you go over there,7500:05:01.269 --> 00:05:04.949that's where over there will be beingthe in the RV. You could apply7600:05:05.110 --> 00:05:10.100that same thing to a pregnancy centerthat's down the road. Hey, won't7700:05:10.100 --> 00:05:14.620you go ten minutes down the roadto the pregnancy center? And so so7800:05:14.779 --> 00:05:17.180that's kind of set in the stagefor what we're going to do in this7900:05:17.300 --> 00:05:21.889role play. We might do acouple role playing scenarios. Definitely want to8000:05:21.930 --> 00:05:26.769do one with me as the counseloryou as the abortion minded mom, and8100:05:26.930 --> 00:05:30.569then one it with me as theabortion minded dad and then you as a8200:05:30.649 --> 00:05:34.879counselor so. So we'll do theone first that you're the abortion aount of8300:05:34.959 --> 00:05:40.279mom and I'm the counselor and kindof the the weird thing about this it's8400:05:40.319 --> 00:05:45.319actually this is not necessarily terribly typical. You do counsel some women, but8500:05:45.600 --> 00:05:48.519oftentimes we have the men counsel theman and the women counsel the women.8600:05:48.600 --> 00:05:54.910Yeah, so it's a little bitout of there are normal comfort zone.8700:05:54.949 --> 00:05:58.949But no, it's well, you'vedone more with I have currently man to8800:05:59.069 --> 00:06:01.230engage with the women's like if you'vegot the word of God in you and8900:06:01.269 --> 00:06:04.660you've got a relationship with Jesus.Yeah, you can. You can counsel9000:06:04.699 --> 00:06:09.459with them, although I agree insome sense, but I don't want people9100:06:09.459 --> 00:06:12.779to be discouraged at all. Youcan reach women going into the abortion center9200:06:12.819 --> 00:06:16.699as a man and vice versa.But there may be definitely not maybe definitely9300:06:16.740 --> 00:06:20.569are things that you will and youwon't say, given the kind of the9400:06:20.769 --> 00:06:26.889the gender differences. There exactly.So all right. So we're best.9500:06:27.329 --> 00:06:30.370Here we are, which the headslike some music in the background, you9600:06:30.490 --> 00:06:32.519know, like the kind of thatmerry melodies music background, coming to the9700:06:32.560 --> 00:06:38.839scen area. So here we areat the latrobe abortion center. Vicky,9800:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.839should that be your name? Nokie, I have a special name. Okay,9900:06:42.839 --> 00:06:46.160what is it? Faith? Faith, okay, so I know that.10000:06:46.199 --> 00:06:47.870Yet that should be a part ofour roleplane it will be, don't10100:06:47.910 --> 00:06:54.269worry. So there I am onthe sidewalk, I have a piece of10200:06:54.310 --> 00:06:59.870literature in my hand and I'm wavingit in the air and moving around frantically.10300:06:59.949 --> 00:07:01.620No, I'm not. Actually,I'm in a very calm demeanor,10400:07:01.779 --> 00:07:04.779have a smile on my face,have a literature in my hand and I10500:07:04.819 --> 00:07:10.139have my hand up kind of ina waving stop motion. I hate stop.10600:07:11.139 --> 00:07:14.860And then faith, who I don'tknow her name yet, comes to10700:07:14.939 --> 00:07:17.529a complete stop. Yeah, firstthing I'm going to say is here has10800:07:17.569 --> 00:07:20.370some information to give to you.Would you please take this information? Well,10900:07:20.529 --> 00:07:25.129what is this? So this isinformation about your baby. It's information11000:07:25.170 --> 00:07:28.170about the help that we have availablefor you. Do you know your baby11100:07:28.490 --> 00:07:30.800is alive? I don't eat this, I don't need this. site.11200:07:30.959 --> 00:07:33.639I have to do this. Ihave to do this so real quick,11300:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.000before you go, would you atleast just take the information? That way11400:07:36.040 --> 00:07:39.639you'll have it just in case youneed it. Okay, and then I11500:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.720do want to ask you, likewhat's brought you here? What makes you11600:07:42.800 --> 00:07:47.629feel like abortion is something that youhave to do? Where do I begin?11700:07:49.110 --> 00:07:53.829Well, for one thing, myboyfriend has said if, if I11800:07:53.990 --> 00:07:59.579don't have an abortion, that heis kicking me out and I can't afford,11900:07:59.620 --> 00:08:03.899yes, live in my own place. So that's you know. Yeah,12000:08:05.139 --> 00:08:09.220I mean right away. That's it. That that's the main it's the12100:08:09.300 --> 00:08:11.930main deal. And and how canI have a baby when you know he12200:08:13.410 --> 00:08:16.449doesn't? He didn't want the base? That's not fair. Yeah, right,12300:08:16.569 --> 00:08:20.050it's I'm fair to the baby atall. Yeah. Yeah, do12400:08:20.129 --> 00:08:22.290you have family in the area?You from this area? No, I12500:08:22.730 --> 00:08:26.160mean I live, I live withmy boyfriend and I don't have anyone.12600:08:26.240 --> 00:08:30.720I'm I'm all alone. Yeah,except for him, and he kicks me12700:08:30.759 --> 00:08:33.000out. I'm really all alive.Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well,12800:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.399I just want you to know thatwe have all kinds of hell. We12900:08:35.480 --> 00:08:39.879have resources available. Let's want tofirst introduce myself at really gotten to that13000:08:39.960 --> 00:08:43.230yet. But my name is Danieland I work with the ministry called Love13100:08:43.309 --> 00:08:48.230Life. What's your name? MyName's faith. Faith. Wow, that's13200:08:48.350 --> 00:08:52.110that's an amazing name. Yeah,do you faith? Do you believe in13300:08:52.309 --> 00:08:54.269God? You think there's a God, that that made you? Oh,13400:08:56.740 --> 00:09:00.899well, you yeah, yeah,I think, I think there's probably a13500:09:00.940 --> 00:09:03.340God. Yeah, I'm not reallyreligious though. Okay, so you don't13600:09:03.340 --> 00:09:07.019get a church anywhere in the area? No, no, no, I13700:09:07.059 --> 00:09:09.980did when I was a little girl. Okay, a little kid, but13800:09:09.370 --> 00:09:13.610no, not, not now.Yeah, okay. Well, you know,13900:09:13.889 --> 00:09:18.289faith, Bible calls us to putour faith in the Lord, and14000:09:20.129 --> 00:09:24.519I know you mentioned that you believein God, and I believe most people14100:09:24.559 --> 00:09:28.879do believe in God. And thebasis of your name, faith implies trust.14200:09:30.440 --> 00:09:31.879I want you to know there isa God that you can trust.14300:09:31.960 --> 00:09:35.879I understand your situation is difficult.Your boyfriend is going to kick you out,14400:09:35.919 --> 00:09:39.149at least threatening to kick you out. Yeah, where's God in that?14500:09:39.309 --> 00:09:41.470I mean, if if you saidI can trust God, well,14600:09:41.870 --> 00:09:45.789you know, why do you makeme pregnant? Then? Yeah, well,14700:09:45.950 --> 00:09:48.909that's the decision that you made.God, in the midst of that,14800:09:48.509 --> 00:09:52.299can bring good out of that badsituation. You've got to be willing14900:09:52.340 --> 00:09:54.820to put your trust in him.Like I mentioned, I work with a15000:09:54.860 --> 00:09:58.899ministry called Love Life and we haveresources, we have connections. So if15100:09:58.980 --> 00:10:03.019that is the case, that yourboyfriend does kick you out and it could15200:10:03.019 --> 00:10:05.500just be a threat, understand hecould just be threatened to do that.15300:10:05.620 --> 00:10:09.090You don't know him. Yeah,in fact, I'm a little worried about15400:10:09.129 --> 00:10:11.610what he would do. Yeah,if, sure, if I, if15500:10:11.649 --> 00:10:13.730I don't go in there and havethat abortion. I mean he gave me15600:10:13.769 --> 00:10:18.450the money for it. Sure.Yeah, he's teeth thinks that's what I'm15700:10:18.490 --> 00:10:20.600doing right now. Yeah, yeah, probably be. He'd probably be really15800:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.879mad at you if he saw youtalking to me. Yeah, he may15900:10:24.919 --> 00:10:26.279be, and certainly don't want toput you in dangers. Want to,16000:10:26.279 --> 00:10:28.799want to. I wanted to getthe literature in your hands. Friend of16100:10:28.879 --> 00:10:31.159mine, Vicki, her numbers onthe back of there. You can certainly16200:10:31.200 --> 00:10:35.600call her talk with her, texther. She loved to talk with you16300:10:35.110 --> 00:10:39.190and might be the best scenario asfar as that's concerned. But as long16400:10:39.230 --> 00:10:43.710as we're talking, when I askyou, obviously the boyfriend he wants you16500:10:43.710 --> 00:10:46.950to have the abortion. But howdo you feel I mean, you stopped16600:10:46.029 --> 00:10:48.950for me. We've been talking fora little bit. Is that something you16700:10:50.139 --> 00:10:52.620really want to do? Have you? Have you kind of come to grips16800:10:52.659 --> 00:10:54.980with the fact that what you're goingto be doing is taking the life of16900:10:56.019 --> 00:10:58.220your baby and you're comfortable with that? Well, no, it's not like17000:10:58.379 --> 00:11:03.220what I want to do. Yeah, it's that, you know, this17100:11:03.539 --> 00:11:07.210is just there's no other choice.Okay, so you feel like this is17200:11:07.330 --> 00:11:09.690just the only choice for you?Yeah, I mean, you know,17300:11:09.769 --> 00:11:13.649you got to have a place tolive. Sure, and I haven't been17400:11:13.690 --> 00:11:18.090feeling so good since I got pregnant. I'm really worried about how I'm going17500:11:18.129 --> 00:11:20.960to continue my job. Yeah,absolutely, mean, I'm puking day and17600:11:22.039 --> 00:11:26.799night right right now to yeah,situation, for sure. Well, you17700:11:26.200 --> 00:11:30.879just said that you really don't feellike abortion is something that you want to17800:11:30.960 --> 00:11:33.629do, but you feel like it'ssomething that yeah, you know, if17900:11:33.789 --> 00:11:37.549if I, if I had ayou know, it wasn't married in a18000:11:37.710 --> 00:11:41.110stable relationship, or even if Ijust thought that he was going to you18100:11:41.230 --> 00:11:45.590know, I can't bring this,this baby into a world where with no18200:11:45.789 --> 00:11:48.340home and no father and that that'swhat's going to happen you know, home,18300:11:48.460 --> 00:11:54.259no father and probably no job forme, because I feel I feel18400:11:54.299 --> 00:11:58.019like crap right now. Yeah,and certainly can understand that. Never been18500:11:58.059 --> 00:12:03.330in your situation exactly, but I'vecertainly debt with situations like yours, and18600:12:03.649 --> 00:12:07.929I'm not pretending they're easy solutions toit. But I am saying is that18700:12:07.090 --> 00:12:11.809once you take the life of yourbaby, that's something you cannot undo.18800:12:11.450 --> 00:12:16.879And with all these unknowns in yoursituation, the unknowns about where you're going18900:12:16.879 --> 00:12:20.440to stay and your relationship with yourboyfriend, unknown's about your job, there's19000:12:20.440 --> 00:12:24.039one thing that that is known,that if you go through with an abortion,19100:12:24.279 --> 00:12:26.519that baby is going to going tobe killed. What's not a baby?19200:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.789I'm only I'm only like, Idon't know, maybe for maybe five19300:12:31.909 --> 00:12:35.429weeks. Yeah. Well, Imean, you just did say earlier that19400:12:35.669 --> 00:12:39.149you didn't want to bring this babyinto the world. Well, that's that19500:12:39.470 --> 00:12:41.590was just so you would know whatI was talking about. It's just a19600:12:41.669 --> 00:12:45.340compass house, okay. Yeah,well, I want to show you in19700:12:45.379 --> 00:12:48.259the brochure right here actually, ittalks a little bit about how your baby's19800:12:48.299 --> 00:12:52.700formed in the womb and your babyright here, as it says in the19900:12:52.740 --> 00:12:56.899brochure at just eighteen to twenty onedays after conception, actually as early as20000:12:58.059 --> 00:13:03.850sixteen seventeen days after conception. Scientificallythey've proven your baby's heart begins to beat20100:13:03.929 --> 00:13:09.370that early. You believe that menow? Now, yeah, try.20200:13:09.450 --> 00:13:13.039Even if you're four weeks, fiveweeks long, your baby's hearts already been20300:13:13.080 --> 00:13:16.919beaten for a couple weeks now.This is the Bible certainly speaks of the20400:13:16.919 --> 00:13:20.080humanity to your child, that Godloves your child, but scientifically, the20500:13:20.200 --> 00:13:26.120science has proven your baby's alive,like that child is a living human being,20600:13:26.440 --> 00:13:30.190your honor, your daughter. Well, well, yeah, but,20700:13:30.470 --> 00:13:33.549but, well, okay, somaybe that's true, but that still doesn't20800:13:33.549 --> 00:13:39.190change the fact that I'm gonna lose, you know, my home, yeah,20900:13:39.309 --> 00:13:43.419and maybe my job. Yeah,if what I'm saying is true,21000:13:43.539 --> 00:13:48.539though, I think about it,if your baby is really a living human21100:13:48.580 --> 00:13:52.220being, that's really your son oryour daughter, and I get your struggles21200:13:52.259 --> 00:13:54.539are difficult, and I'm not sayingthat they're not, and I'm certainly not21300:13:54.700 --> 00:13:58.850pretending it's going to be easy.But if what I'm saying is true,21400:13:58.090 --> 00:14:05.809isn't that baby worth being protected?Well, yeah, and a perfect world,21500:14:07.250 --> 00:14:11.480but you know, this isn't perfect. This is yeah, and I21600:14:11.559 --> 00:14:13.399don't. I don't imagine when youwere born, that you were born in21700:14:13.519 --> 00:14:16.679a perfect scenario, right. Idon't imagine that your mom had it all21800:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.519together and I never knew, Inever knew my dad. Yes, there's21900:14:20.799 --> 00:14:24.429there's no dad and I and youknow, life was hard. Yeah,22000:14:24.549 --> 00:14:28.669Hasolutely Dad. I don't want to. What about my baby? I don't.22100:14:28.710 --> 00:14:31.990I don't want my baby to haveto suffer and struggle like that.22200:14:31.389 --> 00:14:35.710Sure, yeah, I get it, but the truth is, if you22300:14:35.830 --> 00:14:39.740have an abortion, your baby isgoing to suffer in struggle by the instruments22400:14:39.860 --> 00:14:43.100of of death at that abortionist isgoing to use. So you have to22500:14:43.139 --> 00:14:46.700think about that. I understand youwant to save your baby, you want22600:14:46.740 --> 00:14:50.299to save yourself from from struggle,but believing that somehow abortion is going to22700:14:50.460 --> 00:14:54.169going to make that not happen,there's not going to be struggle. Listen,22800:14:54.450 --> 00:14:56.809your circumstance, the you're in rightnow. Think about it. You've22900:14:56.809 --> 00:15:01.009got a boyfriend that's pressuring you tohave an abortion. Yeah, you think23000:15:01.049 --> 00:15:03.730that after you have the abortion,somehow that the relationship is going to be23100:15:03.889 --> 00:15:09.519magically made better. And he's alreadyusing manipulation. He's already using pressure,23200:15:09.120 --> 00:15:13.440I would guess. I'm not goingto imply anything, but I would guess23300:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.000that he's used these tactics in thepast for other things. Yeah, he's23400:15:16.000 --> 00:15:20.279an exactually kind of a jerk.Yeah, he is kind of a jerk,23500:15:20.320 --> 00:15:24.789but on that point I would probablyagree. Well, I mean,23600:15:24.870 --> 00:15:28.870I don't yeah, yeah, Imean, if, but but I'm trapped,23700:15:28.990 --> 00:15:31.950right, he's. Yes, he'spaining them. That's really what I'm23800:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.710saying is you're not trapped. Thatthe people that are standing right here on23900:15:35.820 --> 00:15:39.299this sidewalk, folks that are standingright here, that woman over there,24000:15:39.340 --> 00:15:43.340the guy over there. Yeah,these people are here to help. You24100:15:43.820 --> 00:15:46.620can see that. Can they getme a place to stay? Absolutely,24200:15:46.659 --> 00:15:48.419yeah, really, yeah. Asa matter of fact, listen, before24300:15:48.500 --> 00:15:52.049we you've got an appointment. Iunderstand that you want to go into the24400:15:52.049 --> 00:15:54.929abortion center and keep your appointment.Yeah, pressure and things going on in24500:15:56.009 --> 00:15:58.490your life, I get it.Yeah, but why not, just just24600:15:58.610 --> 00:16:00.370for a moment? It was justtake a breather, okay, and just24700:16:00.450 --> 00:16:04.360pull right over there at that ultrasound you see that bright colored RV there?24800:16:04.399 --> 00:16:07.159Just pull right over there. There'sa nurse on board I'll have one24900:16:07.200 --> 00:16:11.440of our female counselors come over.She'll talk with you and they'll just get25000:16:11.480 --> 00:16:15.440some basic information from you. They'lllet you take a pregnancy test. You25100:16:15.519 --> 00:16:17.960can have an ultrasound for free.No, the stuff that we have is25200:16:18.000 --> 00:16:22.149going to cost you anything, andand you can go on from there.25300:16:22.190 --> 00:16:25.350No one's going to stop you fromgoing into the abortion center. And then,25400:16:25.389 --> 00:16:29.470if you choose to keep your baby, you already have the Medicaid confirmation25500:16:29.549 --> 00:16:32.110of pregnancy if you need Medicaid.I don't know that you do, but25600:16:32.429 --> 00:16:34.700if you need that, that'll beI sure would. But that you know,25700:16:34.980 --> 00:16:37.860those people, they're on the otherside of the window, are telling25800:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.580me just that you lie and thatI need to just ignore you and pull25900:16:41.659 --> 00:16:44.980in. Well, of course they'rethe people. They get paid to do26000:16:45.100 --> 00:16:47.649the abortions. They're gonna they're goingto want you to go and have the26100:16:47.690 --> 00:16:51.129abortion because they make money off ofthe guests. We're of their going to26200:16:51.210 --> 00:16:56.210be after you've had the abortion andwhere to be found? I'm not going26300:16:56.250 --> 00:16:59.970to be offering you help. Ifyou've got regrets. There are you like?26400:17:00.250 --> 00:17:00.960Are you that? Why do youdo this? Where are you?26500:17:02.080 --> 00:17:03.880Why are you here? Trying to. I mean it, this baby,26600:17:03.960 --> 00:17:07.200you don't know this baby. Whydo you care? That's true. I26700:17:07.799 --> 00:17:11.480care because the Lord cares about you. He cares about your baby. He26800:17:11.240 --> 00:17:15.150saved me. He rescued me.I was a dad at seventeen years old26900:17:15.230 --> 00:17:18.829in high school. Wow, theLord has really turned my life right side27000:17:18.829 --> 00:17:22.589up by what he's done in mylife. And what happened? Did you27100:17:22.750 --> 00:17:25.750did you keep the baby? Yeah, yeah, our daughters twenty three years27200:17:25.789 --> 00:17:29.390old now and she's a blessing fromthe Lord. Wow. I remember thinking27300:17:29.470 --> 00:17:34.059those thoughts that abortion might be thebest option. But thank God my girlfriend,27400:17:34.099 --> 00:17:37.420who's now my wife, Oh,wow, she's life. She was27500:17:37.500 --> 00:17:40.819fifteen, I was seventeen. Thatwas a difficult situation. Wow. But27600:17:40.940 --> 00:17:45.890the Lord redeemed it. And inthat situation, not not exactly like yours,27700:17:45.930 --> 00:17:48.849but much like your situation, wherethere was this pressure and there was27800:17:48.930 --> 00:17:55.089this this temptation to trust abortion andto go that way, God graciously use27900:17:55.170 --> 00:17:59.079that terrible situation, which we couldn'tsee any into any light of the end28000:17:59.079 --> 00:18:02.720of the tunnel. God Use thatsituation to turn our lives right side up,28100:18:03.319 --> 00:18:04.559and so he can do that toyou. What you've got to do28200:18:04.720 --> 00:18:07.279is you've got to put your trustin him, and this is really,28300:18:08.160 --> 00:18:11.079really a trust issue. Will youtrust him? Are you going to trust28400:18:11.950 --> 00:18:15.710those people that are getting paid totake the life of your baby? I,28500:18:17.069 --> 00:18:18.349like I said, I don't know. I don't know how much I28600:18:18.589 --> 00:18:22.750believe in in God right now orto trust him. But but you say28700:18:22.829 --> 00:18:26.180it's free. Yeah, no,and no one know. I mean I28800:18:26.460 --> 00:18:30.460I got to get an ultrasound.I guess in there is it, isn't28900:18:30.500 --> 00:18:33.539it make can I just go inthere and well, they're going to charge29000:18:33.579 --> 00:18:36.579you money and there to get theultrasound and then often times they're not going29100:18:36.619 --> 00:18:38.900to show you the ultrasound. WHOwonder why they wouldn't show you the ultrasound?29200:18:38.900 --> 00:18:41.490Mean, think about it. Why? Why are they afraid if it's29300:18:41.529 --> 00:18:45.450just a blob of tissue, aclump of cells? We've talked to many29400:18:45.609 --> 00:18:48.690women that have gone in there.They've paid a hundred eighty five dollars for29500:18:48.730 --> 00:18:52.170the ultrasound and they won't even showit to him. And that kind of29600:18:52.170 --> 00:18:56.599scanal with HMM, yeah, there'swould I saw on the ultrasound? You29700:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.599you think I would actually see aheart? Couldn't? Can I see you29800:18:59.720 --> 00:19:00.839hard. Well, I think,depending on how far along you are.29900:19:00.880 --> 00:19:06.359If you're correct and thinking that you'refour weeks along, probably too early to30000:19:06.480 --> 00:19:10.829really see anything, but I wouldguess that you're maybe a little further along30100:19:10.990 --> 00:19:14.269than that and I think the nurseon board would certainly be able to pin30200:19:14.349 --> 00:19:18.430that down for you and and getyou the get you in the right direction.30300:19:18.990 --> 00:19:22.589So you just so, you saidyou would. I wouldn't be homeless.30400:19:22.630 --> 00:19:25.180You you'd be able to find mea place. Absolutely. Yeah,30500:19:25.180 --> 00:19:27.099we have all kinds of ministries inthe Charlotte area. You from the Charlotte30600:19:27.099 --> 00:19:30.460area? Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, we have ministries. You30700:19:30.579 --> 00:19:33.380know, even if you're not fromthe Charlotte area, we have connections with30800:19:33.460 --> 00:19:37.539ministries all over the southeast here.Yeah, but I don't I don't know.30900:19:37.740 --> 00:19:42.210I mean I'm like, what aboutall the things I would need?31000:19:42.250 --> 00:19:47.769I I I'm just barely making it. That's why my boyfriend kicks me out,31100:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.210and not only do I have noplace to live, but I can31200:19:49.329 --> 00:19:53.839barely afford even food for us.Yeah, that alone. I mean a31300:19:53.960 --> 00:19:57.960baby. Yeah, I can't.I don't have anyone that's going to be31400:19:59.279 --> 00:20:03.559giving me things. And so whatwhat would I do? Yeah. Well,31500:20:03.640 --> 00:20:06.559again, I'm not pretending the situationis going to be going to be31600:20:06.680 --> 00:20:08.950perfect, that everything's going to beprovided or anything like that, but we31700:20:10.029 --> 00:20:12.990do have resources to meet your needs. We've got got churches from all over31800:20:14.029 --> 00:20:17.509the Charlotte area that will walk alongsideyou, that will help you with some31900:20:17.589 --> 00:20:21.230of those financial struggles, will throwyou a baby shower, given many of32000:20:21.269 --> 00:20:23.859the things that you need for yourbaby. Will will help you out with32100:20:25.059 --> 00:20:27.900diapers and formula. Will help youagain to find a place to stay.32200:20:29.019 --> 00:20:33.220We've helped women get plugged into amaternity home or apartment. We can help32300:20:33.220 --> 00:20:37.089you with all kinds of stuff.It's really just kind of a one step32400:20:37.130 --> 00:20:40.369at a time, like, takethe first good step, do the do32500:20:40.529 --> 00:20:45.890the first right thing and then theother things will come along as you put32600:20:45.930 --> 00:20:48.769your trust in the Lord. You'resaying I could go see my baby right32700:20:48.769 --> 00:20:53.240now. Yeah, absolutely, okay, and no strings attached. Every strings32800:20:53.240 --> 00:20:56.000attached, I mean. Mean Icertainly don't want you to go in there32900:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.079and take the life of your baby. I don't want that to happen,33000:21:00.759 --> 00:21:03.509but I can't stop you. Soif you go on that mobiltra sound unit,33100:21:03.549 --> 00:21:06.630you see your baby, you decide. You know, I still got33200:21:06.750 --> 00:21:08.990to do this. I still gotto have the abortion. There's nothing we33300:21:10.029 --> 00:21:11.029can do to stop you. We'regoing to not going to lock you in33400:21:11.069 --> 00:21:14.630the in the in the RV.You can step right out and go and33500:21:14.710 --> 00:21:17.950keep your appointment at the abortion center. But I do think they would be33600:21:18.029 --> 00:21:21.940good for you this. Do atleast give your baby a chance. Just33700:21:22.099 --> 00:21:23.900give your child a chance. You, obviously, you've been talking to me33800:21:25.539 --> 00:21:30.500for fifteen, twenty minutes now.Obviously, to me, you don't want33900:21:30.539 --> 00:21:34.009to do this. Well, totell you the truth, I didn't sleep34000:21:34.049 --> 00:21:40.569at all last night. Yeah,and I was I don't pray. I34100:21:40.730 --> 00:21:45.450haven't prayed in a long time,right, but I mean I was just34200:21:45.970 --> 00:21:49.960thinking, God, if, ifyou're there, just give me a sign.34300:21:51.000 --> 00:21:55.160Yeah, he's maybe, I don'tknow, maybe this is I don't34400:21:55.160 --> 00:21:57.240know, maybe this has got sign. Yeah, I mean, think about34500:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.960it. You just showed up toan abortion clinic. Yeah, you probably34600:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.549thought if you did see people outhere, they're just going to be yelling34700:22:03.589 --> 00:22:04.470at you. Yeah, that's whatthey told me. Yeah, I,34800:22:04.750 --> 00:22:07.789and I and yet you stopped andtalk to me. We've been having a34900:22:07.829 --> 00:22:11.990conversation for quite a while. Yeah, I look like some mean, angry35000:22:11.069 --> 00:22:15.740person to you, not like whatthey described. Yeah, then you've got35100:22:15.779 --> 00:22:18.099a whole sidewalk full of people outhere. Yeah, they're offering help.35200:22:18.180 --> 00:22:22.819You got a free ultrasound, freepregnancy test right there. I think this35300:22:22.940 --> 00:22:26.420might be an answer to the prayerthat you pray and got to give me35400:22:26.460 --> 00:22:29.819a sign. This is your sign. I mean I think if you prayed35500:22:29.900 --> 00:22:33.769that, the Lord answered it.He did his part. Want you do35600:22:33.849 --> 00:22:37.849yours. Just go see your babyon the ultrasound. HMM, well,35700:22:37.890 --> 00:22:41.329maybe I'll just go in and,you know, and let them know.35800:22:41.769 --> 00:22:45.960Yeah, well, listen, Iget it. You got an appointment.35900:22:45.000 --> 00:22:48.480Yeah, feel like you got tokeep that appointment. Yeah, I certainly36000:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.240understand that. But, as Imentioned, these people are the ones zip36100:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.839make money. They are the onesthat get paid and once you get inside36200:22:55.839 --> 00:22:57.519of that place, they're going tohave a hook in you and they're going36300:22:57.519 --> 00:23:03.069to try to everything they can tomake you go through with this abortion again.36400:23:03.150 --> 00:23:06.269They're they're a business. That saidhappen. If you heard that,36500:23:06.630 --> 00:23:11.150that absolutely, absolutely it happens.Wow, because, again, you think36600:23:11.190 --> 00:23:15.339about it, they're they're a businessthat makes money off of abortions. They36700:23:15.420 --> 00:23:18.980don't want use, while they toldyou that we're a bunch of angry,36800:23:18.059 --> 00:23:22.180mean protesters out here, because theydon't want you to stop and talk with36900:23:22.259 --> 00:23:25.259us. They don't want you togo on that RV because they know that37000:23:25.380 --> 00:23:29.490you'll see there your baby, quitepossibly, and you'll realize that that baby37100:23:29.569 --> 00:23:32.769has value and you need to protectit and not go through with the abortion.37200:23:33.009 --> 00:23:36.609What do I do about my boyfriend? Yeah, I mean, he's37300:23:36.650 --> 00:23:40.049going to be mad, sure,but I think about it, this is37400:23:40.130 --> 00:23:42.799a guy who's pressuring you to dosomething that you said earlier you don't really37500:23:42.920 --> 00:23:47.400want to do. Is that reallya guy that you need to be concerned37600:23:47.400 --> 00:23:51.039about his opinion? Think about it, he's trying to pressure you to take37700:23:51.119 --> 00:23:55.200the life of his own child.Yeah, I mean mean, you know,37800:23:55.359 --> 00:23:59.509like I said, sometimes he's areal jerk. But is there someone37900:23:59.549 --> 00:24:03.829that would talk to him? Yeah, absolutely love to have lunch with him,38000:24:03.869 --> 00:24:07.430sit down with him if he's willingto. I'll call him on the38100:24:07.509 --> 00:24:11.099phone, I'll text him whatever,I'll try to reach out to him and38200:24:11.420 --> 00:24:18.660maybe I've seen situations, actually quitea few situations, where the guy is38300:24:18.940 --> 00:24:22.619pressuring the woman to have an abortion. Yeah, and yet after she chooses38400:24:22.819 --> 00:24:26.369life and she decides she's not goingto have the abortion. He backs off38500:24:26.490 --> 00:24:32.450and then ends up embracing fatherhood andis like actually a pretty good guy,38600:24:32.650 --> 00:24:36.329like God can use this situation toturn his life around. To it is38700:24:36.369 --> 00:24:38.960that what happened to you in somemeasure, that's what happened to me.38800:24:40.119 --> 00:24:45.599Yeah, and I know from fromtalking to many men. Sometimes, maybe38900:24:45.400 --> 00:24:51.000I don't know the whole situation.He could just be a complete jerk or39000:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.549he could maybe he's never had afather in his life. Maybe he's never39100:24:53.710 --> 00:24:57.390seen it it is to be adacent. He doesn't and honestly he just39200:24:57.589 --> 00:25:02.670I mean, this happened so fast. I haven't really known him all that39300:25:02.869 --> 00:25:06.109long, but we moved in togetherand, yeah, I got pregnant and39400:25:06.750 --> 00:25:10.980he doesn't have kids and he justgot a new job. So, yeah,39500:25:10.980 --> 00:25:12.980he was kind of freaking out.Yeah, and he's speaking from a39600:25:14.059 --> 00:25:18.779place of fear. Yeah, andprobably is scared of even the prospect of39700:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.650being a dad. But here's thereality, here's what I want you to39800:25:22.730 --> 00:25:27.089understand. Right before you on thatmobile units probably says as much as I39900:25:27.130 --> 00:25:30.769can say. I think it wouldbe important for you just to go over40000:25:30.809 --> 00:25:33.450there talk to the nurse there,get a pregnancy test. ULDER sound.40100:25:33.529 --> 00:25:37.880Think that'd be good. But Iwill say this, whatever the situation is,40200:25:38.319 --> 00:25:45.359your baby is precious. You're amother already. Your boyfriend, he's40300:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.519a father already. That's not somethingthat's going to happen in the undefined future.40400:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.910He's going to be a dad.You're going to be a mom.40500:25:52.750 --> 00:25:56.269You're already a mom. There's ababy inside of your womb right now that's40600:25:56.349 --> 00:26:03.109alive right now. That child isyour son or your daughter, and to40700:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.740go inside of that place and topay them your money to take the life40800:26:06.779 --> 00:26:10.859of your baby, ultimately that's goingto lead to the destruction of your child.40900:26:10.900 --> 00:26:12.779Your son or daughter will die,and that's the truth of what abortion41000:26:12.819 --> 00:26:15.339does, and I know they didn'twant you to understand that truth. Inside41100:26:15.339 --> 00:26:18.809of their they want you to believeit's just a Blob of tissue. Yeah,41200:26:18.809 --> 00:26:22.650that's what they said. Of course, a product of conception and yeah,41300:26:22.009 --> 00:26:25.569it would be okay and it wasn'ta really big deal. Does it41400:26:25.650 --> 00:26:30.690hurt to abortions her? Wow,I've never had one myself, but I41500:26:30.769 --> 00:26:33.599have talked to many women that have. Yeah, and even with the abortion41600:26:33.680 --> 00:26:37.720pill, sometimes people imagine like that'sthat's a little less. Yeah, that's41700:26:37.759 --> 00:26:41.039what I would ever, because,yeah, I don't. I wouldn't do41800:26:41.200 --> 00:26:44.839the surgery because, yeah, thatrips. I heard that rips the you41900:26:44.920 --> 00:26:48.029know, product of conception apart.But I don't know. That was gross.42000:26:48.109 --> 00:26:52.109But but a pill, I meanyou just take a pill and right.42100:26:52.150 --> 00:26:56.269Yeah, yeah, even that isa pretty violent procedure. You read42200:26:56.309 --> 00:27:00.349the paperwork they give you. Insideof there, it'll tell you that went42300:27:00.390 --> 00:27:03.299out of five hundred women that takethe abortion pill to go through the abortion42400:27:03.339 --> 00:27:07.819peel procedure will require a blood transfusion. Oh Wow, so they probably told42500:27:07.819 --> 00:27:10.299you they don't just be like aminstrel. Yeah, Cole, yeah,42600:27:10.339 --> 00:27:12.539that's what they said. Yeah,that's not true. So, matter of42700:27:12.579 --> 00:27:17.609fact, there are many people thathave had a gone through the abortion peel42800:27:17.650 --> 00:27:23.410procedure and have put their testimonies onlineof how pretty, pretty gruesome it was.42900:27:25.009 --> 00:27:26.970You're going to be bleeding again.If you read the paperwork that they43000:27:27.009 --> 00:27:30.519give you, not just what theytold you, but read the fine print43100:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.880in the paperwork, they say thatyou'll be passing golf ball size blood clots.43200:27:36.720 --> 00:27:41.160Yeah, yeah, that's awful.Is this picture here of does that43300:27:41.240 --> 00:27:45.589really happen? That's what in aabortion looks like. Yet that, yeah,43400:27:45.670 --> 00:27:49.789that's an aboarded baby. That's ababy at about eleven weeks. That43500:27:49.910 --> 00:27:52.670has been aboarded. Now you're earlierthan that from what you told me.43600:27:52.869 --> 00:27:56.470Yeah, but still, your babyhas a head, arms, legs,43700:27:56.549 --> 00:28:00.579fingers and toes. He or shethey're they're very small. Yeah, but43800:28:00.660 --> 00:28:03.779yet they're still going to be brutallykilled a byut what goes on inside of43900:28:03.819 --> 00:28:07.299that place. So, yeah,this is a graphic truth right here.44000:28:07.339 --> 00:28:10.980You see it in our brochure.Yeah, of what abortion does. That's44100:28:11.019 --> 00:28:12.930not in there just to GROC youout. That's in there to share with44200:28:14.009 --> 00:28:18.009you the truth. Hey, thefact of the matter is you can believe44300:28:18.009 --> 00:28:19.970the lie that it's a Blob oftissue or clump of cells and it's not44400:28:21.049 --> 00:28:23.609a baby, but you're going tounderstand the truth about abortion. The stuff44500:28:23.609 --> 00:28:27.000that I'm telling you, I'm nottelling you out of just like my opinion.44600:28:27.519 --> 00:28:33.119I'm speaking from medical fact. I'mI'm speaking from a perspective of knowledge,44700:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.200not just I'm not trying to sellyou anything. I don't have anything44800:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.880that I want you to buy fromme. I'm not asking for you to44900:28:37.960 --> 00:28:41.390give me donations or anything like that. We have things we want to give45000:28:41.430 --> 00:28:45.589you. So I have no reasonto lie to you. And even if45100:28:45.589 --> 00:28:49.069I was, you got a smartphone. There the stuff that I'm telling you.45200:28:49.190 --> 00:28:52.190Check it out. Yeah, Ididn't. I didn't dare to look45300:28:52.230 --> 00:28:57.660at sure what what happened or whatthat baby looks at like. You know45400:28:57.779 --> 00:29:03.180at the stage that I am.But yeah, maybe I should. Yeah,45500:29:03.460 --> 00:29:07.220definitely. I mean you're going tounderstand the truth about abortion, right.45600:29:07.299 --> 00:29:08.700They want you to believe this blablatissue, a clump of sales,45700:29:08.779 --> 00:29:11.769but you're not going to be ableto help but to satisfy your curiosity,45800:29:12.529 --> 00:29:17.289oftentimes only after you've had the abortion. Of really was what that guy saying45900:29:17.369 --> 00:29:22.089true? Was My baby's heart reallybeating? My baby really have little arms46000:29:22.130 --> 00:29:25.359and legs, fingers and toes withreally a baby? And you're going to46100:29:25.400 --> 00:29:29.599find out that truth. So tellyou what I think. There's been a46200:29:29.680 --> 00:29:32.759great conversation. I appreciate you stopit and talking, but why not just46300:29:32.880 --> 00:29:36.440pull over there? It's going boardthat mobiltrus on unit again. You can46400:29:36.480 --> 00:29:38.230step right off and go in theabortion of Gif you want to, but46500:29:38.309 --> 00:29:41.910why not just go over there andjust take advantage of that for free and46600:29:44.029 --> 00:29:48.150and just see see what happens.All right, all right, I'll try,46700:29:48.190 --> 00:29:51.750I'll give it a shot. I'llgo on over, all right,46800:29:51.910 --> 00:29:56.660cool, thank you. Yeah,thank you, faith. All right.46900:29:56.740 --> 00:30:00.779Well, so that was our roleplaying scenarios. That was actually very realistic.47000:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.059Honestly, that is a very littlethe things that I said are,47100:30:03.259 --> 00:30:07.369honestly, things that I've heard probablythousands of times. Yeah, yeah,47200:30:07.410 --> 00:30:10.529you did it. You did agood job. Okay, did a good47300:30:10.529 --> 00:30:14.450job. So so I will critiqueyou now. Okay, said that so47400:30:14.569 --> 00:30:17.930that our audience will know, becauseI've been again, I've been on both47500:30:17.930 --> 00:30:25.039sides of this and both hearing themom and and being the counselor, and47600:30:25.640 --> 00:30:30.839y asked a lot of questions.You were very empathetic. I got this47700:30:30.000 --> 00:30:34.789sense that you were hearing me,and that's really important. I've had many47800:30:34.869 --> 00:30:38.829moms tell me that it's very importantthat you reflect upon what they have said47900:30:40.190 --> 00:30:44.309and make sure they feel that theyhave been hurt. So you didn't minimize48000:30:44.349 --> 00:30:49.859right the situation that I was in, but you introduced gently the reality.48100:30:49.900 --> 00:30:56.740Yeah, you know, you reframedand rephrased what I was saying. From48200:30:56.900 --> 00:31:00.539a completely different perspective than what Iwas seeing it from, and I was48300:31:00.579 --> 00:31:03.180seeing it from a position of fear, which you said, yeah, and48400:31:03.329 --> 00:31:07.730you were seeing it from God's eyes. And what? What? What was48500:31:07.970 --> 00:31:14.769really happening? So that was thatwas really good. It kind of helped48600:31:14.890 --> 00:31:18.920to just bring that. You werecalm, yeah, and while I was48700:31:18.119 --> 00:31:22.319terrified and frantic. And so theybringing that calm. We've heard that over48800:31:22.400 --> 00:31:29.039and over again, that it thatthey feel calm and peace, and especially48900:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.200once they get on. Yeah,v Absolutely. But so it's really important49000:31:32.200 --> 00:31:33.509when you're talking with the mom tobe that way. And so so you49100:31:33.589 --> 00:31:37.670were taking the name. That's oneof those strategies that we do a lot.49200:31:37.750 --> 00:31:41.750I purposely gave myself the name faithto see you would run with that49300:31:41.829 --> 00:31:47.619one. But it's always good,I think. Oftentimes there's clues. Yeah,49400:31:47.660 --> 00:31:52.819and so using those clues to tohelp. And then what when faith49500:31:53.059 --> 00:32:02.210began to waiver, that you didn'tyou. You took your time before kind49600:32:02.210 --> 00:32:07.690of making the closing point. Look, just why don't you go on the49700:32:07.769 --> 00:32:14.369RV? You you helped her tocome through the questions she asked in the49800:32:14.450 --> 00:32:16.240concern she had, and you talkingto through those who helped her to be49900:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.839at a point where she was readyto say, all right, I'm willing50000:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.880to go on there. Yeah,yeah, that's kind of what I'm always50100:32:22.880 --> 00:32:25.279going for, is if I canget them to go on that mobile unit,50200:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.390if I can get them just awayfrom that scenario, I know that50300:32:30.509 --> 00:32:35.509the conversation can get more in depth. I know almost always that just that50400:32:35.630 --> 00:32:38.789initial because I do try to askthat initial question. What makes you feel50500:32:38.789 --> 00:32:43.470like abortion is an option for you? And the boyfriend thing was was the50600:32:43.589 --> 00:32:46.380main thing there? Yeah, butquite possibly there are other issues. There's50700:32:46.420 --> 00:32:52.380maybe even fear of pregnancy and faithmentioned that she had morning sickness and that50800:32:52.500 --> 00:32:55.420was a situation. I didn't reallyget into too much depth with that.50900:32:55.660 --> 00:33:00.529Yeah, but the nurse would right, they would get into all of that,51000:33:00.130 --> 00:33:05.009and the fact that that wasn't mentionedright away as an indication to me51100:33:05.250 --> 00:33:07.289that it probably is not the mainissue. It's probably more of a like51200:33:07.450 --> 00:33:10.650grasping at straws thing, like Oh, here's another thing, Oh and here's51300:33:10.690 --> 00:33:15.319another thing, and so all thesethings are used as a justification. Right,51400:33:15.359 --> 00:33:20.119right, but the fact that thatfaith and these MOMS that we engage51500:33:20.160 --> 00:33:23.039with are continuing in the conversation.That's as a good sign, that is51600:33:23.039 --> 00:33:25.920a good sound. That's an indication. Yeah, and that there's still some51700:33:27.079 --> 00:33:30.950response going on. Yeah, that'san indication conflict, that there is conflict,51800:33:30.950 --> 00:33:34.269or she wouldn't have bothered. It'susually the mom's where they just their51900:33:34.349 --> 00:33:37.230mind really or they think their mindis made up. In my opinion,52000:33:37.309 --> 00:33:40.980no one's mind effor really is rightmade up, and you truly can make52100:33:42.059 --> 00:33:47.460headway with everyone if just the righteither questions or demean or whatever. But52200:33:49.339 --> 00:33:54.019but yeah, when someone will engagethat long, it's almost always there's a52300:33:54.730 --> 00:34:00.490significant amount of yeah, yeah,absolutely. Something also that we divulged in52400:34:00.730 --> 00:34:06.930in this little play acting was shefaith. said she didn't really believe in52500:34:07.049 --> 00:34:09.199God and she had been a youknow, gone to church as a little52600:34:09.199 --> 00:34:14.679girl, Akay, but then shewas talking about that she had prayed for52700:34:14.760 --> 00:34:17.679a sign. And while it soundslike maybe I was just being easy on52800:34:17.800 --> 00:34:22.760you and giving you some ammunition sothat you know you didn't like make fool52900:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.590of yourself in our podcast, honestlythat happens all the time in the discussions53000:34:27.630 --> 00:34:30.750with the women. They will theywill say they don't bring God into the53100:34:30.789 --> 00:34:36.269equation, but then when you do, they do, they actually give an53200:34:36.309 --> 00:34:42.380indication that, yeah, they're feelingbad before God over what they are thinking53300:34:42.380 --> 00:34:45.139about doing. Yeah, so that'sanother, I think, keep point to53400:34:45.420 --> 00:34:47.500keep in mind. Don't, don'tgive up on God. Yeah, if53500:34:47.780 --> 00:34:52.579keep seeing if you can reintroduce,which you did over and over again,53600:34:52.659 --> 00:34:58.449of course, reintroducing God into thediscussion. And at finally, and this53700:34:58.530 --> 00:35:01.130is the way it often evolves,and in my experience counseling, finally she53800:35:01.250 --> 00:35:04.409gave in and said, you knowwhat, as a matter of fact,53900:35:04.409 --> 00:35:07.840I was concerned and praying for asign. Yeah, yeah, and that54000:35:08.039 --> 00:35:13.519is a common comedy sing. Yep, absolutely. Yeah. So let's give54100:35:13.519 --> 00:35:16.599the folks a little bit of theperspective of an abortion minded dad. Okay,54200:35:17.159 --> 00:35:21.909so in this scenario, you're thecounselor. Okay, I'm the abortion54300:35:21.989 --> 00:35:24.429minded dad. Is the MOM in. She's she's in the in there,54400:35:24.630 --> 00:35:29.230or she in the car. Soshe's she's in the abortion clinic. Okay,54500:35:29.429 --> 00:35:32.269she's already gone in and checked infor her appointment. I'm pulling out54600:35:34.590 --> 00:35:38.420and I'm I'm kind of okay withher having the abortion, but if it54700:35:38.460 --> 00:35:42.900were me, I wouldn't have theabortion. Like it was my body,54800:35:43.380 --> 00:35:45.219then I wouldn't do it. Sinceit's her body, it's not really my54900:35:45.420 --> 00:35:49.380thing. Yeah, so that's kindof the scenario. In by the way,55000:35:49.420 --> 00:35:54.050that's a very common scenario. Yeah, sort like this apathetic, really,55100:35:54.329 --> 00:35:58.769really complacent kind of attitude that manyof these men have. So that's55200:35:58.849 --> 00:36:01.690the scenario. I'm pulling out ofthe abortion center and I've stopped in the55300:36:01.730 --> 00:36:07.480driveway to take your information, andthat's the scenario. Okay, ready for55400:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.840so, Hey, hey, there, do you mind stopping just for a55500:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.039second, just let me give yousome information. The chaking up. Yeah,55600:36:15.079 --> 00:36:19.349well, yeah, so did youinformation? Well, it's it's our55700:36:19.429 --> 00:36:23.550list of resources help that we haveit. It talks about what actually happens55800:36:23.670 --> 00:36:27.429in an abortion. It talks aboutthe development of the baby. Let me55900:36:27.550 --> 00:36:30.389just show you see right here.Do you know how far you drop?56000:36:30.550 --> 00:36:34.059Someone? I show you dropped Yathat you're your girlfriend. Okay, and56100:36:34.260 --> 00:36:37.099how far long is she do youknow? I mean, I think probably,56200:36:37.420 --> 00:36:40.659like I think maybe she said seveneight weeks, seven or eight weeks.56300:36:40.699 --> 00:36:45.179Okay. Is it your baby?Yeah, okay, it is your56400:36:45.219 --> 00:36:49.130baby. So how do you feelabout your your baby's going to die today56500:36:49.610 --> 00:36:52.530in Um. Well, I'm firstof all, I don't think it's a56600:36:52.610 --> 00:36:58.090baby. Okay, but I meanI'm a guy, yeah, he's a56700:36:58.130 --> 00:37:01.519girl. Yeah, I can't havekids, okay, I can. Yeah,56800:37:01.719 --> 00:37:06.320and I can't get pregnant. Shecan. Okay, so I mean56900:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.599maybe, I think maybe. Ifit was my decision, I'd say probably57000:37:09.639 --> 00:37:13.079not. I mean, yeah,could be a kid, could not be.57100:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.670I don't know. Okay, butI'm kind of leaving it on her.57200:37:16.710 --> 00:37:20.630I'm just here to support her.Okay. Well, yeah, you57300:37:20.710 --> 00:37:23.190know, I I get you wantto respect her as a woman. But57400:37:23.389 --> 00:37:28.630okay, first of all, yousaid it it's not baby. Well,57500:37:29.070 --> 00:37:31.179so you said seven or eight weeks. Yeah, along. Okay. So57600:37:31.420 --> 00:37:37.260do you know that by as earlyas seventeen to eighteen days following conception,57700:37:38.179 --> 00:37:44.409that little baby in her womb alreadyhas a beating heart? YEA, that,57800:37:44.570 --> 00:37:47.849yeah, yeah, then did youknow that it's six weeks that child57900:37:47.969 --> 00:37:53.090in the womb has detectable brain waves? Okay, okay, well, so58000:37:53.369 --> 00:38:00.800tell me. Does a beating heartbrain waves? What do you think is58100:38:00.920 --> 00:38:04.679in there then? If it's nota baby, what is it? Well,58200:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.719I mean, I hadn't I'm buta whole lot of thought to it.58300:38:07.039 --> 00:38:10.960Yeah, but I mean, okay, it's a baby. Okay,58400:38:12.039 --> 00:38:15.349yeah, and how about let meask you if when do you think it58500:38:16.469 --> 00:38:22.909became human it is she carrying likea lion in there? Japan's year,58600:38:22.949 --> 00:38:25.309no, now, think. Okay, okay, so when do you think58700:38:25.309 --> 00:38:30.860it became a little human being?Wow, I'd say when she got pregnant.58800:38:30.980 --> 00:38:32.659Right, yeah, right away.And and you know science backs becks58900:38:32.699 --> 00:38:36.820me up on that, that fromthe moment of conception, all the human59000:38:36.860 --> 00:38:40.099DNA that that little person will everhave is already there. Yeah, so,59100:38:40.530 --> 00:38:45.730so let me ask you. Soyour you said that it's not really59200:38:45.849 --> 00:38:51.289of your concern. It's it's Imean really, so again, like I'm59300:38:51.329 --> 00:38:53.170a dude. Yeah, girl,yeah, I can get pregnant, she59400:38:53.329 --> 00:38:55.280can. Right. Well, amI going to be telling her what to59500:38:55.360 --> 00:38:59.159do with her body? Like right, but yeah, didn't seem like what59600:38:59.280 --> 00:39:01.599I should be doing. Yeah,yeah, okay. So, do you59700:39:01.679 --> 00:39:06.119believe in God? Yeah, Ibelieve God. And God, what what59800:39:06.159 --> 00:39:10.429do you think God would have youdo? As the do you you're the59900:39:10.510 --> 00:39:14.710father of the baby. We've agreed. Now it is a baby, a60000:39:14.829 --> 00:39:19.670little human being, a little person, and you are this little person's father.60100:39:19.710 --> 00:39:22.190Right, so what do you think? Do you know what the Bible60200:39:22.230 --> 00:39:29.460says, or what God says aboutabout your role as as a father of60300:39:29.500 --> 00:39:34.380a baby? Wow, man,I haven't really thought about it in those60400:39:34.500 --> 00:39:37.139terms. I guess I just kindof figured it was a medical thing that60500:39:37.300 --> 00:39:40.769she needed to do and she wouldn'twant to be pregnant anymore. So,60600:39:42.170 --> 00:39:45.090yeah, I just would support herand what she wanted to do, right,60700:39:45.650 --> 00:39:50.929I mean, after all, shedoes have a right to do this.60800:39:51.650 --> 00:39:55.159Well, she she has the abilityto go in there and and take60900:39:55.239 --> 00:40:00.119the life of that child. Butif if you say you, you claim61000:40:00.159 --> 00:40:02.960you love, you love God.Yeah, well, God says that that61100:40:04.159 --> 00:40:08.630baby is knitted together by him inthe womb, wonderfully and fearfully made.61200:40:09.510 --> 00:40:15.030That God uses the same word foran unborn baby as a born baby.61300:40:15.110 --> 00:40:17.670Did you know that in the sameword in the New Testament the word is61400:40:17.710 --> 00:40:22.460brefos. So the God says inthe sixth commandment. You know what that61500:40:22.619 --> 00:40:28.059is? The sixth commandment? Um, you shall not judge. No,61600:40:28.659 --> 00:40:32.900actually, it's that you shall notmurder. And and can when the word61700:40:32.980 --> 00:40:37.050murders used, what do you thinkthat's applying to? Like, can you61800:40:37.090 --> 00:40:43.250murder a cat? Wow, youcan kill a cat, right. Murder61900:40:43.409 --> 00:40:45.929is applied to human beings, though, and you said that's a human being.62000:40:46.050 --> 00:40:51.400And if that was a two yearold, that was your two year62100:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.639old. You two hit had atwo year old together, right, yeah,62200:40:53.960 --> 00:40:59.679and she said, listen, thatthat two year old is causing a62300:40:59.800 --> 00:41:04.389lot of struggle and problems for meand I have the right to take care62400:41:04.429 --> 00:41:08.309of my mental health and emotional health. And so I'm and they're suffering.62500:41:08.389 --> 00:41:12.349Yeah, and and so I'm goingto go kill our two year old.62600:41:12.710 --> 00:41:15.550which do you think? You woulddrive away and say with it? Okay.62700:41:15.630 --> 00:41:17.429So, well, what do youthink is the difference then? And62800:41:17.699 --> 00:41:22.739and you said again you love,you love God, and I pointed out62900:41:22.780 --> 00:41:24.739what God uses the same word fora baby that's born or a baby that's63000:41:24.780 --> 00:41:30.500unborn. So what do you think? Will God look at this situation?63100:41:30.579 --> 00:41:34.449Because one day the Bible says youwill stand before God and give an accounting.63200:41:34.730 --> 00:41:37.250Yeah, right, right, andyou've probably heard, if you know63300:41:37.369 --> 00:41:39.010God, you know your body,you know talks about that. You would63400:41:39.050 --> 00:41:42.849give an accounting of what you havedone here on earth. What do you63500:41:42.929 --> 00:41:49.440think God, or what will yousay to God when, if you were63600:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.599to allow to go kill that twoyear old. You know that's wrong.63700:41:52.719 --> 00:41:57.760Well, what will you say toGod if you allow her to go or63800:41:57.800 --> 00:42:02.190do nothing to stop, till themoment that it's too late, the killing63900:42:02.269 --> 00:42:08.030of that child? That little humanunderstands like the stuff that we go through,64000:42:08.469 --> 00:42:15.030like he understands we make bad choicesand bad decisions, and so I64100:42:15.469 --> 00:42:19.780think, even though it might notbe the best thing, he understands.64200:42:20.539 --> 00:42:24.099Well, thank God, is Godunderstands everything. God understands everything. He's64300:42:24.139 --> 00:42:30.610God. He knows everything. Buthe is very clear that we are not64400:42:30.210 --> 00:42:35.289to sin. that he doesn't want. What God desires of us is that64500:42:35.449 --> 00:42:39.730we will follow and obey him.He didn't make the ten commandments so that64600:42:39.969 --> 00:42:44.800we would disregard them. In fact, he says follow these. He says64700:42:44.840 --> 00:42:47.280I set before you life or death, blessing or curse. Therefore, choose64800:42:47.440 --> 00:42:52.920life. He wants us to dowhat's right and to choose to follow him,64900:42:52.920 --> 00:42:57.800and too literally in that case,choose life. So, just because65000:42:57.960 --> 00:43:04.309God gives us the ability to wanderfrom him, that isn't his desire,65100:43:04.710 --> 00:43:10.630and in fact there is. There'sconsequences, and oftentimes severe consequences, when65200:43:10.789 --> 00:43:15.780we wander from God. And whenwe don't obey him. Yeah, so65300:43:15.219 --> 00:43:19.699maybe you know. I mean you. You're here. You said this is65400:43:19.780 --> 00:43:23.340your girlfriend. And what do youthink the Bible says about sex outside of65500:43:23.420 --> 00:43:31.730marriage? Obviously conceived a baby.So I mean you, we all sin,65600:43:32.130 --> 00:43:37.329okay, right, but specifically you'rekind of hedging the question here.65700:43:37.369 --> 00:43:40.639So maybe you know the answer.God's pretty clear about sex out side of65800:43:40.679 --> 00:43:44.320marriage. It's we're not to doit, right. Did it lead you65900:43:44.480 --> 00:43:46.320to a place you want to be? Do you want to be here watching66000:43:46.400 --> 00:43:52.920your baby getting okay, so wewhen you wandered from God's Commandment Command Men's66100:43:53.440 --> 00:44:00.750about sexual purity, it didn't leadto a place where you want to be.66200:44:00.869 --> 00:44:02.190In in fact, it's led toa place where you are now in66300:44:02.269 --> 00:44:09.940a position where you are going toallow, or at least not stop,66400:44:10.539 --> 00:44:15.340or do everything in your power tostop, the killing of an innocent human66500:44:15.420 --> 00:44:21.780being, that is your son ordaughter. Yeah, and so God's Commandments.66600:44:21.820 --> 00:44:24.849Do you think he gives that thosecommandments to Spoil Your Fun? No,66700:44:25.409 --> 00:44:32.409but I mean if I agreed withyou and if I was like thinking66800:44:32.489 --> 00:44:37.329that we shouldn't do this, she'salready in there. Yeah, she is.66900:44:37.769 --> 00:44:38.960She is what am I going todo? Yeah, well, dragger67000:44:39.079 --> 00:44:42.760out or me? Yeah, no, you, you know you like.67100:44:43.159 --> 00:44:45.440Like you said, you can't force, you can't force and none of us67200:44:45.519 --> 00:44:50.320can force. I can't force youto go in there and and much as67300:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.030I'd like to, I can't topush you to go in there and and67400:44:52.630 --> 00:44:54.789speak for your baby. But Iwill tell you I've been out here a67500:44:54.909 --> 00:45:01.710long time and I have seen menthat have gone in at this last ditch67600:45:02.429 --> 00:45:08.699moment and asked to speak to thewoman, and sometimes they won't let them67700:45:08.780 --> 00:45:13.860because they know what's going to happen. They know that someone might talk that67800:45:13.980 --> 00:45:16.500woman out of an abortion and theywant their money for the abortion. Yeah,67900:45:16.659 --> 00:45:19.980but you can go in there.We've had men go in there and68000:45:20.019 --> 00:45:23.050say, Hey, it's a familyemergency, I need to talk to my68100:45:23.210 --> 00:45:27.730girlfriend, and that's not a lie, by the way. This is a68200:45:27.969 --> 00:45:31.489family emergency. That is your family, that is your son or daughter that68300:45:31.690 --> 00:45:37.440is about to die. That's asbig an emergency as you will ever face.68400:45:37.920 --> 00:45:40.719And so we have had men goin say that the woman come and68500:45:40.840 --> 00:45:46.000talk with them and the man standup not only for the child but to68600:45:46.159 --> 00:45:52.829say I will be there for you, I will commit to doing for you68700:45:52.750 --> 00:45:59.349whatever is necessary so that you feelthat we can do this, that we68800:45:59.389 --> 00:46:04.940can take care of this baby andallow this child, our child, to68900:46:05.059 --> 00:46:07.820live. And I've had I've seenwomen leave. So let me ask you.69000:46:08.059 --> 00:46:12.619Have you? Have you ever toldher, no matter what, I69100:46:13.420 --> 00:46:15.139will, I will take care ofyou, I will take care of that69200:46:15.300 --> 00:46:21.210baby, I will do everything Ican in my power our to be the69300:46:21.329 --> 00:46:25.769father I'm supposed to be before God, to to that baby and to to69400:46:25.929 --> 00:46:30.849make sure that you feel supported andnot alone in this. Have you ever69500:46:30.929 --> 00:46:34.159said something like that to her?I mean, not really, just kind69600:46:34.199 --> 00:46:37.639of told her maybe o fills upto me. I wouldn't want her to69700:46:37.679 --> 00:46:40.679do it, but I'll support herin whatever. Yeah, yeah, well,69800:46:40.760 --> 00:46:45.119you know how sometimes a woman perceivesthat, and I get I understand69900:46:45.199 --> 00:46:50.710what you think you're doing is beingrespectful. But what as a woman,70000:46:50.750 --> 00:46:54.230I will tell you that sometimes,what that feels like, what I hear70100:46:54.590 --> 00:46:59.710is you know, it's your problem. Yeah, you, you, you70200:46:59.909 --> 00:47:02.619deal with it and you know I'mcool. Yeah, but but what I70300:47:02.820 --> 00:47:09.500want to hear is that's my baby. I love that baby and I love70400:47:09.739 --> 00:47:13.659you, and if you don't loveher, obviously you can't say that,70500:47:13.820 --> 00:47:22.090but I I know that that togetherwe can do what is necessary to support70600:47:22.530 --> 00:47:27.889and take care of this child andI'm sorry that I have put you in70700:47:28.010 --> 00:47:32.960this position, but I'm going tostep up to the responsibility as a man70800:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.360and as a father of that childand I'm going to do what is necessary70900:47:37.760 --> 00:47:45.070so that you know that I amthere to help you in this pregnancy and71000:47:45.269 --> 00:47:49.829birth of this child and raising thischild. Yeah, you think you could71100:47:49.829 --> 00:47:52.670do that? Go back and Imean, I'll tell you, it may71200:47:52.829 --> 00:47:57.269feel like like it's too late,but, like I said, I've been71300:47:57.309 --> 00:48:00.659out here many years and it isnot too late to that baby's dead.71400:48:00.699 --> 00:48:05.940If you drive away now, thenbefore God you're going to have to say,71500:48:06.019 --> 00:48:09.860yeah, the baby was still alive, but I went to McDonald's to71600:48:09.940 --> 00:48:15.050get launch, or before God youcould say I went back in there and71700:48:15.170 --> 00:48:17.610I did my very best for aslong as I could to fight for that71800:48:17.809 --> 00:48:22.929life of that child. and whichdo you think would please God more?71900:48:23.329 --> 00:48:25.929And the last thing, yeah,going in there and, yeah, trying72000:48:25.969 --> 00:48:30.400to talk with her. Yeah,and you can tell her when you go72100:48:30.639 --> 00:48:34.239in there and talk with her,you can talk about there's this lady that72200:48:34.320 --> 00:48:37.320I just spoke without here and here'sthe information she gave me, and she72300:48:37.559 --> 00:48:40.789told me that we have all kindsof resources that can help. I mean72400:48:40.869 --> 00:48:44.309some of the things you could gotell her. We have a baby shower72500:48:44.349 --> 00:48:47.989that provides two years of what thatbaby will need. We have free pregnancy72600:48:49.070 --> 00:48:52.869test, free ultrasound, we helpwith pregnancy medicate verification. We appoint a72700:48:52.989 --> 00:48:57.980mentor who is someone that will walkalongside her, along with you, sir,72800:48:58.619 --> 00:49:04.539for the entire pregnancy and beyond,and we'll address every single obstacle she72900:49:04.739 --> 00:49:07.820faces and will be there, withthe backing of a church to help her.73000:49:08.099 --> 00:49:13.730If you go in and offer allthose things, you might change her73100:49:13.769 --> 00:49:16.969mind. We've seen it so manytimes. Would so you know if would73200:49:16.969 --> 00:49:21.170you be willing to give that ashot? Yeah, I'll try. I73300:49:21.329 --> 00:49:22.849see what I can do. IsOkay if I pray with you before you73400:49:22.929 --> 00:49:27.559go in there? So, yourheavenly father, I think that that this73500:49:27.760 --> 00:49:30.760young man knows what is the rightthing to do before you and that he73600:49:30.880 --> 00:49:34.559wants to do the right thing andhe's been afraid, but he knows now73700:49:34.760 --> 00:49:37.750that he can. He has theright. That's his child. He has73800:49:37.909 --> 00:49:42.829the right and he even has theresponsibility to go in there and fight for73900:49:42.949 --> 00:49:45.389that baby as hard as he can, and I pray Lord, enable and74000:49:45.510 --> 00:49:51.070empower him to do what is necessary, and may your Holy Spirit move in74100:49:51.190 --> 00:49:54.179both of their hearts and turn theirhearts not only to the precious life of74200:49:54.300 --> 00:50:01.460that child but to you as well. In Jesus name, I pray right.74300:50:02.860 --> 00:50:07.730So that's a little bit of ascenario between a counselor and an abortion74400:50:07.889 --> 00:50:13.570minded dad. Hope it was informativeequipping. There's all kinds of variables,74500:50:13.610 --> 00:50:16.369all kinds of ways. Sometimes they'remore passive, like I was being,74600:50:17.210 --> 00:50:22.880and agreeable, sometimes they're not soagreeable. Will likely do some more role74700:50:22.000 --> 00:50:25.039playing of this is a blessing youguys. Let us know, because we'll74800:50:25.079 --> 00:50:29.480likely do some more of this andjust bring up some of these different scenarios74900:50:29.519 --> 00:50:34.760again. We've encountered hundreds, thousandsof conversations over the years and so we75000:50:34.800 --> 00:50:38.269could probably have all kinds of differentangles to come from. Yet maybe in75100:50:38.269 --> 00:50:44.150their comments they could, they couldoffer a situation they faced that has really75200:50:44.230 --> 00:50:46.949difficult and we could maybe talk aboutrole playing that. Yeah, yeah,75300:50:46.989 --> 00:50:51.019so you could certainly reach out tous and let us know what some of75400:50:51.059 --> 00:50:54.539those scenarios might be. You reachme at Daniel Love Life Dot Org.75500:50:54.579 --> 00:50:58.300You reach her, Vicki, atLove Life Dot Org. I'm not going75600:50:58.340 --> 00:51:06.610to critique you because that you mighthurt me or something, but but I75700:51:06.730 --> 00:51:09.929thought it was good. I thinkit's always listening in on people. It's75800:51:09.929 --> 00:51:14.570always kind of a learning experience.So we hope it was a blessing you75900:51:14.690 --> 00:51:16.730guys. We hope that you guyswill share this podcast. Let it be76000:51:16.769 --> 00:51:22.079a blessing to others. Let usknow if you have suggestions for future podcast76100:51:22.239 --> 00:51:23.880for us. If you like thiskind of thing, the role playing thing,76200:51:24.440 --> 00:51:28.559we would certainly be more than willingto do more of this. So76300:51:28.800 --> 00:51:37.789let us know. But until nexttime, God bless give me love for76400:51:37.030 --> 00:51:50.179love, give me our love forgratitude. I know it will cost me76500:51:50.380 --> 00:51:58.179my life. Nothing's too precious,and some that you