Oct. 1, 2020

Showering Moms Who Choose Life - Interview with Sheryl Chandler from Truth and Mercy Ministry

Showering Moms Who Choose Life - Interview with Sheryl Chandler from Truth and Mercy Ministry

Women we encounter at the abortion centers certainly have spiritual needs but they also have practical needs. By that same token, they need truth as well as mercy. In this episode, we interview Sheryl Chandler with Truth and Mercy Prolife Ministries...


Women we encounter at the abortion centers certainly have spiritual needs but they also have practical needs. By that same token, they need truth as well as mercy. In this episode, we interview Sheryl Chandler with Truth and Mercy Prolife Ministries about how to bring the truth of the Gospel while showering a mother with gifts to meet her practical needs.

https://www.truthandmercyprolife.org/

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.630 Lord. I welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. In this episode 3 00:00:10.669 --> 00:00:14.710 we do an interview with Sheryl Chandler from Truth and mercy ministries about how to 4 00:00:14.789 --> 00:00:19.469 Minister to a mom's practical needs as well as Minister The Gospel. Stay tuned, 5 00:00:20.550 --> 00:00:35.850 Lord. I felt show passis touch your heart. Welcome to the Gospel 6 00:00:35.890 --> 00:00:40.369 Center pro life podcast. Appreciate you guys listening to this podcast. Appreciate if 7 00:00:40.369 --> 00:00:44.570 you guys would share this podcast with your friends and let folks know that we're 8 00:00:44.609 --> 00:00:48.649 doing these episodes and we're doing these episodes. We're gearing these episodes toward people 9 00:00:48.649 --> 00:00:51.719 who are really on the front lines, people who are, like us, 10 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:55.479 at the abortion center's reaching out, but also to pregnancy centers and others in 11 00:00:55.759 --> 00:00:59.799 other types of ministry that touch the issue of life and the reach out to 12 00:00:59.920 --> 00:01:03.310 women that are considering abortions. So just share these podcasts. Let folks know 13 00:01:04.629 --> 00:01:07.750 just some of the things that you've been blessed by. Let us know. 14 00:01:07.069 --> 00:01:10.950 Reach out to me, D parks at cities for Lifecom you can let me 15 00:01:11.030 --> 00:01:15.030 know what you think of the podcast. Some episode ideas that you have so 16 00:01:15.150 --> 00:01:19.459 you can reach out to Vicky at Vicossi Oorg at cities for lifecom. Let's 17 00:01:19.459 --> 00:01:23.900 jump into this episode. We have a special guest with us, Ms Caryl 18 00:01:23.939 --> 00:01:26.219 Chandler, who's with truth and mercy ministries. We've worked alongside with them. 19 00:01:26.379 --> 00:01:30.140 They've worked alongside with us since cities for life got started. Cheryl has been 20 00:01:30.180 --> 00:01:34.849 in ministry. She just told me thirty two years truth and mercy ministries, 21 00:01:34.890 --> 00:01:37.650 but she's been in prolife work for a long time. I think we can 22 00:01:37.689 --> 00:01:41.609 really glean a lot of wisdom from her and she's just got a unique perspective 23 00:01:41.650 --> 00:01:46.450 as it comes to the Ministry of reaching out of these MOMS after they've chosen 24 00:01:46.530 --> 00:01:49.319 life and doing baby showers. And she's done many baby showers for moms that 25 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:53.760 have chosen life here in Charlotte and beyond. And so, Ryl, just 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.560 introduce yourself real quick. I've already kind of introduced you, but your Ryl 27 00:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.040 Chandler, truth and mercy ministries. What else you want to add to that? 28 00:02:00.239 --> 00:02:04.349 Your mom, you're yes, hi, Daniel and Vickie. I'm so 29 00:02:04.469 --> 00:02:07.390 happy to be here. Thank you for inviting me. It's really an honor 30 00:02:07.549 --> 00:02:12.030 to be with you today. Yeah, I live here in Charlotte, okay, 31 00:02:12.030 --> 00:02:14.590 and have since one thousand nine hundred and eighty three. Long Time. 32 00:02:15.310 --> 00:02:17.860 I have two kids and they're both grown now. One got married this past 33 00:02:17.900 --> 00:02:23.819 summer, Bethany. She's twenty two and she's now a nurse at Du Hospital. 34 00:02:23.979 --> 00:02:28.419 Graduated College last May. And my son, Nathan is nineteen. He's 35 00:02:28.460 --> 00:02:31.650 a business major at you and see Charlotte. Wow, great, and my 36 00:02:31.770 --> 00:02:36.289 husband is Doug. We've been married, Oh gosh, thirty four years. 37 00:02:36.330 --> 00:02:39.129 I think I can't do that math. Thirty four years, thirty four and 38 00:02:39.129 --> 00:02:42.889 a half, I think. Yes, yeah, cool. And so you've 39 00:02:42.930 --> 00:02:46.280 been truth and mercy ministries. has been going on for how long? Well, 40 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:50.360 truth and mercy will get into that in the story a little bit. 41 00:02:50.439 --> 00:02:54.080 I officially named the Ministry Truth and mercy just back in I think, two 42 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:59.189 thousand six, okay, so not that long. But I started in pro 43 00:02:59.310 --> 00:03:01.629 life ministry back in one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight, okay, October 44 00:03:01.710 --> 00:03:05.590 of eighty eight. So it'll be thirty two years in just a couple of 45 00:03:05.669 --> 00:03:07.830 weeks. Yeah. Well, without beating around the Bush, let's get right 46 00:03:07.870 --> 00:03:10.870 into that because I want to hear some of your history in the pro life 47 00:03:10.949 --> 00:03:15.939 movement and just how you got involved with what you're doing now. Okay. 48 00:03:16.259 --> 00:03:22.060 Well, everyone's got a backstory, including the women who come to the clinic 49 00:03:22.139 --> 00:03:28.009 for abortion services, and they, like I, are typically dragging a trail 50 00:03:28.129 --> 00:03:32.009 of brokenness behind them. My family life as a young child, in a 51 00:03:32.129 --> 00:03:37.169 teen really involved a whole lot of brokenness in my family. We were a 52 00:03:37.250 --> 00:03:40.599 church going family my whole life and I knew a lot about God, but 53 00:03:40.759 --> 00:03:46.039 I did not know God and and all the brokenness and trauma of my family 54 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:53.120 caused me personally, as a girl, to never want marriage or family of 55 00:03:53.280 --> 00:03:55.909 my own. I was miserable as a kid and I did not want to 56 00:03:55.990 --> 00:04:01.509 continue that family misery into my adult life. And so I really embrace the 57 00:04:01.590 --> 00:04:06.469 sexual revolution that I grew up in in the S and I was raised on 58 00:04:06.750 --> 00:04:12.340 the feminist wave of the S and I got most of my moral instruction, 59 00:04:12.539 --> 00:04:18.139 unfortunately, from magazines like glammor magazine, Mademoiselle Vogue, and these are really 60 00:04:18.300 --> 00:04:24.970 godless rags that I caution anyone and everyone within the sound of my voice from 61 00:04:25.009 --> 00:04:29.490 consuming. Yeah, they led me to very dark and very, very damaging 62 00:04:29.649 --> 00:04:32.769 places. So you can just suffice it to say that back in the S 63 00:04:33.250 --> 00:04:38.129 and S I was very pro choice. It's just all I knew. And 64 00:04:38.720 --> 00:04:43.279 just to put a little, I guess, timeline where your listeners can know, 65 00:04:43.759 --> 00:04:46.319 I just turned fifty nine last week, so this was back in the 66 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.839 s and you let me tag a timeline again. Rov Wade was decided in 67 00:04:51.990 --> 00:04:56.750 one thousand nine hundred and seventy three right. So I had a lot of 68 00:04:56.870 --> 00:05:00.870 godless views and a lot of godless ideas and I remembered defending them in freshman 69 00:05:00.949 --> 00:05:08.579 composition papers in college, and God help my professor who had to read through 70 00:05:08.579 --> 00:05:13.060 all of them. But thankfully the Lord pursued me and saved me when I 71 00:05:13.100 --> 00:05:15.220 was twenty years old. I was a junior in college, and he used 72 00:05:15.259 --> 00:05:23.250 a wonderful campus ministry and some wonderful believers to draw me to himself and he 73 00:05:23.329 --> 00:05:27.009 radically saved me, he really did. And the pro choice stance though it 74 00:05:27.170 --> 00:05:30.250 was, was it took a little while for that to fall it took a 75 00:05:30.370 --> 00:05:33.649 couple of years, I would say, for that to fall away. But 76 00:05:33.889 --> 00:05:39.399 fast forward. I graduated in one nineteen eighty three and I moved here to 77 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:43.959 Charlotte for a job in my field of graphic design and I was growing in 78 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:47.800 the Lord, I was active in church, I was making a lot of 79 00:05:47.920 --> 00:05:53.629 strides with with God and Um I met my husband, Doug. He was 80 00:05:53.670 --> 00:05:58.910 a native Carolinian and we married in eighty six. And in the summer of 81 00:05:59.029 --> 00:06:03.189 one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight I started hearing the national news about Operation 82 00:06:03.379 --> 00:06:11.180 Rescue and this was a pro life movement where Christians peacefully put their physical bodies 83 00:06:11.420 --> 00:06:16.300 between the killers inside the clinic and the victims outside the clinic, and this 84 00:06:16.620 --> 00:06:24.170 made sense to me. This was the first pro life ministry action activity that 85 00:06:24.490 --> 00:06:30.689 made so much sense to me. And they blocked the doors. They risk 86 00:06:30.810 --> 00:06:35.240 or rest for second degree trespass and the whole movement was based on proverbs eleven, 87 00:06:35.360 --> 00:06:41.959 which says rescue those unjustly sentenced to death, don't stand back and let 88 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:47.430 them die. And blocking the doors bought time for sidewalk counselors to reach the 89 00:06:47.470 --> 00:06:51.870 women and talk to the women and offer help and hope. So this made 90 00:06:51.910 --> 00:06:57.790 a lot of sense to me. As Charlotte Group organized and I was on 91 00:06:58.029 --> 00:07:00.389 fire and that was October eighty eight. That was my start and I've been 92 00:07:00.430 --> 00:07:05.379 involved ever since. I have personally blocked the doors and I've been arrested thirteen 93 00:07:05.420 --> 00:07:12.060 times. I've served jail time for each of those arrests. I I always 94 00:07:12.100 --> 00:07:14.819 refused to pay the fines. That was always an option. You could pay 95 00:07:14.819 --> 00:07:16.370 a fine and not go to jail, but I refused to pay a fine 96 00:07:16.449 --> 00:07:19.649 because I thought the whole system is correct up. I'm not paying into it. 97 00:07:19.889 --> 00:07:26.529 Yeah, but mostly during that time I was sidebot counseling and I side 98 00:07:26.610 --> 00:07:30.160 got counseled from one thousand nine hundred and eighty eight to even now, although 99 00:07:30.199 --> 00:07:32.879 now I do very little of it, and we'll get to the reason for 100 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:40.560 that, but I trained a lot of early sidelock counselors. For several years 101 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:45.629 our group would hold rescues, we would block doors about four times a year. 102 00:07:45.829 --> 00:07:48.910 Those were kind of big rescue events. But every other week, every 103 00:07:48.990 --> 00:07:54.470 other weekend, we were sidebok counseling and what we call piccoting at that time, 104 00:07:54.709 --> 00:07:57.470 and I'll get to the reason why we call it picketing. Our did. 105 00:07:58.350 --> 00:08:01.579 So that's a little background. Yeah. So, yeah, just for 106 00:08:01.699 --> 00:08:05.980 you guys who are listening, we did it. We did it episode sometime 107 00:08:05.459 --> 00:08:11.660 ago about civil disobedience and how some of that fits into our Christian worldview and 108 00:08:11.939 --> 00:08:13.970 biblically. So we won't Labor that point. One of the things I will 109 00:08:15.009 --> 00:08:18.410 say is that folks like you and flip, which we did an interview with, 110 00:08:20.089 --> 00:08:22.970 and others, even folks that the volunteer with us now, who were 111 00:08:22.009 --> 00:08:26.600 involved in the rescue movement, really plowed the ground, really made the way 112 00:08:26.759 --> 00:08:31.000 for what we're doing here in Charlotte. We're not doing, obviously, the 113 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.360 rescues anymore, but it really did plow the ground it it really didn't make 114 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:39.000 the way and stirred up the church and got people's attention toward the issue of 115 00:08:39.039 --> 00:08:43.669 abortion and really, I think, made a shift because for a long time 116 00:08:45.629 --> 00:08:48.990 it seems like the the issue of abortion and being at an abortion clink intervening 117 00:08:50.110 --> 00:08:52.230 like that was just sort of it. It was a Catholic thing. Yeah, 118 00:08:52.870 --> 00:08:56.019 but really the rescues brought the Evangelical Church and so I mean, you 119 00:08:56.019 --> 00:08:58.779 can tell me if I'm wrong, but it seems like just in me reading 120 00:08:58.860 --> 00:09:03.379 some of the history with that brought the Evangelical Church to the forefront of this 121 00:09:03.500 --> 00:09:07.620 battle and really, Hey, this is our battle because this is this is 122 00:09:07.820 --> 00:09:11.370 on the Lord's heart. These babies matter to him. Minister in the Gospel 123 00:09:11.370 --> 00:09:16.970 there in that context is important to the heart of God. So am I 124 00:09:16.090 --> 00:09:18.850 correct and all of that, and just really in the rescue movement bringing the 125 00:09:18.889 --> 00:09:22.289 Evangelical Church along from your view, I think so. That would be my 126 00:09:22.409 --> 00:09:26.600 assessment as well, although rescue did involve many Catholics. Yeah, they were 127 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.960 part of it too, but it did, I think, wake up the 128 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:35.919 Protestant Church. Yeah, so we could go on for hours for like king 129 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:39.870 should do a whole other podcast on all that. I didn't even know all 130 00:09:39.909 --> 00:09:43.269 of that about you, but but we're at what point did you start what 131 00:09:43.389 --> 00:09:48.509 I do know of you, which is truth and mercy and and becoming involved 132 00:09:48.549 --> 00:09:52.350 in baby showers? How did that evolve, and I would love to hear 133 00:09:52.470 --> 00:09:56.539 about how your unique perspective of baby showers, because yours is not at all 134 00:09:58.139 --> 00:10:03.019 the typical baby shower. I love your approach and I love your philosophy behind 135 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:05.899 why you approach baby showers the way that you do. So how did that 136 00:10:05.940 --> 00:10:09.570 all about? Well, as you know, I began it's just a typical 137 00:10:09.610 --> 00:10:15.649 sidewalk counselor. We were kind of weak in warriors. For Two decks I 138 00:10:15.809 --> 00:10:18.850 showered many of the moms who I met and kept up with, but each 139 00:10:18.929 --> 00:10:24.120 time I showered a mom I had to start from scratch to collect baby items 140 00:10:24.200 --> 00:10:28.120 for each mom because I didn't have any supply stored. I didn't have a 141 00:10:28.200 --> 00:10:31.360 storage unit, I didn't have anything like that, so I just kind of 142 00:10:31.440 --> 00:10:35.470 started from the beginning. Facebook wasn't around back then. That means so bad. 143 00:10:35.549 --> 00:10:41.990 That's my next day that I this was way before social media. This 144 00:10:41.309 --> 00:10:46.470 was we didn't use chisels and stones, but we did. I didn't even 145 00:10:46.509 --> 00:10:52.860 have voicemail and answering machine on my personal phone at home at this time. 146 00:10:52.899 --> 00:10:56.340 I didn't even have email. So I mean it was literally making call after 147 00:10:56.419 --> 00:11:00.899 call after call after call to people I thought might have a crib they were 148 00:11:00.899 --> 00:11:03.889 finished with or a car seat or something like that, and those people made 149 00:11:03.970 --> 00:11:07.409 calls to so it did spread out. It wasn't just me making them, 150 00:11:07.490 --> 00:11:11.450 but but the responsibility felt to me to make sure each thing, you know, 151 00:11:11.850 --> 00:11:16.129 was was met, each need was met. So it was way before 152 00:11:16.289 --> 00:11:20.200 any of the conveniences of communication that we have now. And can I just 153 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:24.320 ask so would there's so many needs of the moms that we meet who are 154 00:11:24.559 --> 00:11:30.639 coming to kill their baby. The baby shower was that. How did that 155 00:11:30.960 --> 00:11:35.029 become such a an important need or did you see that as that was critical 156 00:11:35.230 --> 00:11:39.629 and a turning point for some of these moms that you met it? It 157 00:11:39.950 --> 00:11:43.950 was a turning point for some and, like I said, I didn't shower 158 00:11:43.990 --> 00:11:48.059 very many, maybe three or four year at this early stage, like back 159 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:50.580 in Eighty Eight, eight ninety, just maybe three or four because each time 160 00:11:50.740 --> 00:11:56.620 it was he was a huge endeavor each time to get and they weren't as 161 00:11:56.620 --> 00:11:58.460 lavish as they are now by any stretch. They were just kind of what 162 00:11:58.539 --> 00:12:05.889 I could collect and patch together. But I just over the years of sidewalk 163 00:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.129 counseling, keeping up with MOMS, you know, that maybe had their baby 164 00:12:09.169 --> 00:12:11.289 a couple of years ago, just keeping up with them, I just saw 165 00:12:11.370 --> 00:12:16.279 the need more and more and more and more clearly that the Gospel was what 166 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.639 they really needed. Yeah, right, you know, because because sin patterns 167 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:26.360 are not broken easily. I'm they're not broken in my life easily and they're 168 00:12:26.399 --> 00:12:28.360 certainly not broken in their life. So it was just became more and more 169 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:35.789 and more apparent how critical the Gospel was and I saw the baby shower is 170 00:12:35.830 --> 00:12:39.669 another opportunity to get in front of these women and share the Gospel. It 171 00:12:39.830 --> 00:12:43.429 was just it was kind of an ulterior motive, to be honest. It 172 00:12:43.590 --> 00:12:48.580 was like, if I can lure them with gifts and and it's what they 173 00:12:48.659 --> 00:12:52.179 needed, they were happy to come. Nobody was ever forced to come, 174 00:12:52.659 --> 00:12:58.500 but it was just a way to meet the need and and their true spiritual 175 00:12:58.610 --> 00:13:01.330 need, which is their greatest need, far more than you know. They 176 00:13:01.409 --> 00:13:03.090 need the gospel far more than they need a crib, and they need a 177 00:13:03.210 --> 00:13:07.250 crib pretty bad. They got to have a car seat to have a you 178 00:13:07.330 --> 00:13:09.049 know, to have the baby. And so is it. Basically, it 179 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:11.610 works this way. Unless they except Jesus, you don't give them a crib. 180 00:13:11.730 --> 00:13:16.120 Is that? We're told that. So, yeah, I told that. 181 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:20.240 Absolutely absolutely. What you do are jump through our religious who's you get 182 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.360 nothing. Of course, not right, but it is the means to to 183 00:13:24.519 --> 00:13:28.750 show them the tangible love of God and an opportunity to share the gospel. 184 00:13:28.789 --> 00:13:31.190 I mean we're doing that on the sidewalk and we talk to them, we're 185 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:35.870 even the Gospel and everything we're doing, but there's another opportunity to present the 186 00:13:35.950 --> 00:13:39.669 Gospel and give them the ability to respond to the Gospel. And you're going 187 00:13:39.669 --> 00:13:45.179 to share some stories I'm sure. But Do Women Respond to the Gospel in 188 00:13:45.259 --> 00:13:48.659 that way? Have you had ladies respond to the Gospel? Yes, I 189 00:13:48.779 --> 00:13:52.019 know because we've. We've heard plenty of testimonies. Were moms and been involved. 190 00:13:52.059 --> 00:13:56.009 Vicki, you've been to some of those baby showers yourself where MOMS surrender 191 00:13:56.049 --> 00:13:58.929 their lives to the Lord. And we know the Gospel is what changes hearts, 192 00:13:58.970 --> 00:14:03.090 not not cribs and right those things are practical means to show the love 193 00:14:03.169 --> 00:14:07.250 of God, but it's ultimately the power of the Gospel that changes those hearts. 194 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:09.600 And that's why I appreciate what you do so much, because in some 195 00:14:09.759 --> 00:14:13.080 of these not I'm not trying to point out any ministry in particular, I 196 00:14:13.240 --> 00:14:16.519 don't have one in mind, but I do know just in general, a 197 00:14:16.200 --> 00:14:20.879 lot of these kind of helps and mercy ministries are viewed almost is just humanitarian 198 00:14:22.039 --> 00:14:24.110 efforts and the Gospel is not really presented. People say, well, you 199 00:14:24.190 --> 00:14:28.509 know, they know that, you know I love them and that's the best 200 00:14:28.509 --> 00:14:31.710 thing. What yeah, they should know that you love them and baking somebody 201 00:14:31.710 --> 00:14:33.629 K yeah, that should show the love. But if you're not going to 202 00:14:33.669 --> 00:14:37.389 share the Gospel with them and you're not going to meet their most pressing need. 203 00:14:37.669 --> 00:14:41.259 Your kind of your kind. I just given them a baby shower and, 204 00:14:41.980 --> 00:14:43.700 you know, kind of putting springs on the wagon on their way to 205 00:14:43.779 --> 00:14:48.580 hell if you're not sharing the gospel. Yeah, and so my experience as 206 00:14:48.620 --> 00:14:52.100 I first met you, is, okay, I've been to many baby showers 207 00:14:52.220 --> 00:14:54.210 and here I'm invited to go because was a mom that I had worked with 208 00:14:54.370 --> 00:14:58.929 and I was invited to go to your baby shower and I'm expecting you a 209 00:14:58.049 --> 00:15:05.370 party, I'm expecting balloons and cake and decorations and oodles of people. Well, 210 00:15:05.490 --> 00:15:11.039 your shower was not that at all. There were let a whole lavish 211 00:15:11.120 --> 00:15:15.120 room filled with gifts. I mean not lavish room, lavish gifts. The 212 00:15:15.200 --> 00:15:22.389 room was filled with gifts. But you were very clear to me privately, 213 00:15:22.789 --> 00:15:28.110 and I think and how you developed your showers, that this was not necessarily 214 00:15:28.190 --> 00:15:31.429 a celebration. It was a celebration of that new life. I remember you 215 00:15:31.549 --> 00:15:37.100 telling me this and being so impressed. It was a celebration of the new 216 00:15:37.220 --> 00:15:41.059 life and the choice for life, but you were very careful not to be 217 00:15:41.419 --> 00:15:50.730 celebrating the lifestyle, life choices and immorality and rebellion from God that led them 218 00:15:50.850 --> 00:15:54.850 to this place where they were in their life, and so I'd love to 219 00:15:54.889 --> 00:16:00.129 hear how that came about. Did was that immediately what you were thinking? 220 00:16:00.970 --> 00:16:06.559 I have to be careful about how this is presented. I did. I 221 00:16:06.879 --> 00:16:15.759 I didn't want to celebrate Sind Right. I wanted to honor the woman for 222 00:16:15.960 --> 00:16:18.750 making the right choice and doing the very hard thing. I wanted to honor 223 00:16:18.789 --> 00:16:25.950 her, I wanted to encourage her, I wanted to meet her need, 224 00:16:26.309 --> 00:16:30.909 but I didn't want to celebrate her situation. So it's a fine line, 225 00:16:30.870 --> 00:16:33.700 you know, to draw. It really is, and it's a very delicate 226 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:37.820 tension and my whole minute, the whole ministry, name which I'll get to 227 00:16:37.899 --> 00:16:42.019 in a minute, is is a tension. Yeah, Biblical tension that we 228 00:16:42.139 --> 00:16:45.980 all experience. You guys experience it every day on the sidewalks. But I 229 00:16:47.690 --> 00:16:52.370 do want to honor and encourage her and meet her needs and, you know, 230 00:16:52.610 --> 00:16:56.769 show her the love of God, the mercy of God, but I 231 00:16:56.889 --> 00:17:00.889 also want to bring truth right to the table as well, and that's the 232 00:17:00.049 --> 00:17:06.160 tension between truth and mercy. Yeah, since expand on that a little bit, 233 00:17:06.279 --> 00:17:11.119 though, because truth and mercy, that that's the the real theme of 234 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.400 the Gospel, of course, but it's the theme of Your Ministry. So 235 00:17:14.519 --> 00:17:17.470 expand on that and how that name came about. was there a point in 236 00:17:17.509 --> 00:17:19.109 which she said Hey, this, this should be called Truth and mercy? 237 00:17:19.630 --> 00:17:23.349 There was. I was vacuuming one day. Really, honestly, I've been 238 00:17:23.430 --> 00:17:27.390 praying about a name for a long time because for years, for probably two 239 00:17:27.509 --> 00:17:32.900 decades, I didn't have a ministry name. I operated under action Lee for 240 00:17:33.059 --> 00:17:37.900 life. I operated under UM operations, save America. I was doing showers 241 00:17:37.940 --> 00:17:41.099 kind of under their banner. Yeah, a little bit, but when it 242 00:17:41.259 --> 00:17:45.170 became very apparent I needed my own storage units, I was going to have 243 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:48.849 to raise my own money for that and I had to have my own name. 244 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.690 And this was a huge step for me, a big step because all 245 00:17:52.849 --> 00:17:56.849 those years I started, you know, like I said, I had to 246 00:17:56.930 --> 00:18:00.039 start from scratch for every shower I did with baby items, and then I 247 00:18:00.200 --> 00:18:06.440 started kind of storing stuff in my garage, I started storing stuff in friends 248 00:18:06.519 --> 00:18:11.240 basements, I started storing stuff in friends addicts and every shower I did I 249 00:18:11.359 --> 00:18:17.190 had to go collect everything all around the city, drive all around the city, 250 00:18:17.349 --> 00:18:19.150 picking through and I had to keep like an inventory of what was where 251 00:18:19.509 --> 00:18:23.190 and it was very, very, very time consuming and I remember crying out 252 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:26.619 to the Lord I could do so many more showers God if I could just 253 00:18:26.740 --> 00:18:32.339 be more efficient with this time. And he just really led me delicately, 254 00:18:32.380 --> 00:18:33.980 because it was I was fighting. I was like, I do not want 255 00:18:33.980 --> 00:18:38.339 to have to raise money. I am a terrible salesperson, if you will. 256 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:41.809 I could not sell a heat or to an ESKIMO. I would say 257 00:18:41.849 --> 00:18:45.650 you don't really need this, you're okay. I really it would be very 258 00:18:45.730 --> 00:18:48.890 hard for me. So I told God, I said Okay, God, 259 00:18:48.970 --> 00:18:53.849 I'll do it, but you've got to make the fundraising part really easy and 260 00:18:55.329 --> 00:18:59.519 really quick, because I am afraid of it. I'm scared of it. 261 00:18:59.839 --> 00:19:04.839 And and so now I did name the ministry truth and mercy based on one 262 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:11.589 of my favorite scriptures from Psalm ten, and it was just coincidentally, I'll 263 00:19:11.630 --> 00:19:14.309 say, it was in my scripture reading this morning. So I was really 264 00:19:14.430 --> 00:19:21.589 encouraged by that. Psalm five ten says love, loving, kindness and truth 265 00:19:21.829 --> 00:19:26.619 have met together, righteousness and peace have kissed each other. This is a 266 00:19:26.740 --> 00:19:34.180 prophetic verse about Jesus and his Ministry to to reconcile God's truth, his Justice, 267 00:19:34.299 --> 00:19:38.450 his law, his wrath against sin and his mercy. And on the 268 00:19:38.609 --> 00:19:45.930 cross these two things came together in perfect reconciliation and they kissed on the Cross. 269 00:19:47.329 --> 00:19:51.569 So this is the tension of the ministry and you too know it well. 270 00:19:52.170 --> 00:19:55.960 When you're sharing the gospel with someone, when you're pleading with them not 271 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.880 to, you know, destroy their child, you've got to walk this tension 272 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:04.680 between how hard do I hit truth and how, you know, how much 273 00:20:06.559 --> 00:20:11.750 mercy do I express? It's very much attention. And they're very opposing things. 274 00:20:11.789 --> 00:20:15.390 Yeah, they're very opposing things. Only Jesus can bring them together perfectly. 275 00:20:15.630 --> 00:20:21.819 And I named the Ministry Truth and mercy because it reflects my dependence on 276 00:20:21.980 --> 00:20:26.380 God. Yes, I cannot do need the Holy Spirit to walk that tight 277 00:20:26.420 --> 00:20:30.180 rope of truth and mercy. I'll read it from the new King James Version, 278 00:20:30.180 --> 00:20:32.980 which is probably the initial version. Probably got it from the King James, 279 00:20:33.019 --> 00:20:37.369 which is mercy and truth have met together, righteousness and peace have kissed 280 00:20:37.410 --> 00:20:41.769 M and that's really from what I've seen from the ministry, that God is 281 00:20:41.890 --> 00:20:44.569 using you to do that. That's what happens and from what I've seen, 282 00:20:44.650 --> 00:20:48.450 by God's grace on the sidewalk we're seeing mercy and truth come together. We're 283 00:20:48.450 --> 00:20:53.119 seeing these two really, like you said, opposing ideas come together. And 284 00:20:53.200 --> 00:20:56.759 of course it's a natural fit with the Lord that truth and mercy come together. 285 00:20:59.240 --> 00:21:03.000 But in the minds of human beings, just in our human frailties, 286 00:21:03.400 --> 00:21:06.789 we can't reconcile. How can God be a god of Wrath and justice and 287 00:21:06.829 --> 00:21:11.349 judgment but also be merciful and patient and kind? Well, it's who he 288 00:21:11.549 --> 00:21:15.509 is and you do do well as you explain this to these mothers. I 289 00:21:15.589 --> 00:21:18.470 know my wife has been in some of those, those times where you've done 290 00:21:18.470 --> 00:21:22.619 the baby showers and Vicki's as as to I have haven't had I've come and 291 00:21:22.700 --> 00:21:26.180 brought some items before to a baby shower, but I haven't had the pleasure 292 00:21:26.180 --> 00:21:29.099 of sitting in account. Might be kind of Awkur. Came to one that 293 00:21:29.220 --> 00:21:33.089 Vicky was at and you prayed with them. They had specifically asked for a 294 00:21:33.170 --> 00:21:34.450 pastor. Yeah, you're right, I did. Right, yeah, I 295 00:21:34.529 --> 00:21:37.890 remember that that one. I think the gifts were already opened by then. 296 00:21:38.049 --> 00:21:41.970 Yeah, but you came and you counseled and you encouraged and prayed with them 297 00:21:42.009 --> 00:21:44.930 all. Yeah, I remember that. Now it's you bring that up. 298 00:21:44.970 --> 00:21:47.279 Yes, blessed, that one was at my house. I remember that. 299 00:21:47.400 --> 00:21:49.559 Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right, because it's so easy to 300 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:53.720 be too much of one and not enough of the other, and I think 301 00:21:53.799 --> 00:22:00.799 that's where so many Christian endeavors fail. Too much truth, too much hard 302 00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:04.150 hitting on the justice and not enough of that love and mercy, and then 303 00:22:04.230 --> 00:22:11.109 Budd to loving and merciful without sharing the hard truth, they'll just end right 304 00:22:11.269 --> 00:22:15.900 back up where they started. That's right. So I consider the truth part 305 00:22:15.980 --> 00:22:21.059 of the ministry to be what you guys are doing on the sidewalk, your 306 00:22:21.259 --> 00:22:26.059 you're saying you know that abortion is wrong. Yeah, it hates this. 307 00:22:26.579 --> 00:22:30.809 Yeah, you cannot destroy your child, this is against God's holy law. 308 00:22:30.890 --> 00:22:34.569 Yeah, this is truth. And you know their response would be my body, 309 00:22:34.650 --> 00:22:38.769 my choice. But we would say from scripture, you know you, 310 00:22:38.849 --> 00:22:42.849 you're not your own. You were bought with a price. Glorify God in 311 00:22:42.930 --> 00:22:48.160 your body. That's what scripture says. So we counter that with truth. 312 00:22:48.480 --> 00:22:52.440 And then the mercy side, once you know by the holy spirits power they 313 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:56.240 have softened their heart and turn their heart to their child and let their child 314 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.710 live. The mercy side is then shown at the shower where God's provision and 315 00:23:00.869 --> 00:23:06.589 his love and his care is just lavishly displayed with all these gifts. And 316 00:23:06.750 --> 00:23:11.430 I have to tell your listeners that these gifts I are really quite lavish. 317 00:23:11.589 --> 00:23:15.299 They're beautiful. Now, most of most of the things I give ar gently 318 00:23:15.420 --> 00:23:22.339 used, but I am very, very careful to make sure everything is clean, 319 00:23:22.420 --> 00:23:26.740 everything is in working order, everything is well taking care of, just 320 00:23:26.980 --> 00:23:30.490 gently used, in great condition. They're in beautiful bags. You put their 321 00:23:30.609 --> 00:23:36.970 names on on the beautiful tags, so that every single gift is presented to 322 00:23:37.089 --> 00:23:41.720 them by name, in a similar way as God presents the the gift of 323 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.319 his free gift to us with Our Name. Our Name is on it. 324 00:23:45.440 --> 00:23:49.519 I am a little OCD yes about the gift tax. I spend a lot 325 00:23:49.559 --> 00:23:55.240 of time just making sure that each gift bag and each free standing item like 326 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:59.029 a swing or a CARCI right has a gift tag on it. There their 327 00:23:59.069 --> 00:24:02.910 custom they have the mom's name on them and they have the ministry name. 328 00:24:03.029 --> 00:24:07.309 They have a scripture, a blessing, and I just want them to make 329 00:24:07.390 --> 00:24:11.539 sure that they know the gifts are for them. Personally. Yeah, from 330 00:24:11.700 --> 00:24:14.579 the Lord and I am always you know this, Vitie, I'm always quick 331 00:24:14.619 --> 00:24:18.259 to say really at the very beginning, right, really, almost verbatim, 332 00:24:18.299 --> 00:24:22.019 I say these gifts reflect God's love and mercy and care and provision for you. 333 00:24:23.180 --> 00:24:27.089 I want the woman is lavish love, right. I remember you saying 334 00:24:27.170 --> 00:24:30.089 that, always so impressed by it. Yeah, I want, when I 335 00:24:30.250 --> 00:24:34.690 tell her, when you see this lavish displaying, I want you to see 336 00:24:36.650 --> 00:24:41.160 a very small expression of God's lavish love for you, his care for you. 337 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:45.440 Yeah, that's what I want the gifts to reflect and represent. So 338 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.240 I take it very seriously that these gifts represent the love and mercy of God. 339 00:24:49.359 --> 00:24:55.470 So I want him to be represented well with quality items and and really 340 00:24:55.549 --> 00:24:59.710 nice things. And they do. They get two years worth of clothes, 341 00:25:00.349 --> 00:25:03.150 two years worth of toys, you know, from all stages up from zero 342 00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:10.700 to two books, bibs, car seat, strollers, swings, everything you 343 00:25:10.779 --> 00:25:12.579 can imagine. I mean it's, I call it, from bibs to cribs. 344 00:25:12.619 --> 00:25:17.660 It's the whole thing. Yeah, the whole kitten Kaboodle. So sometimes 345 00:25:17.700 --> 00:25:19.740 for their siblings as well. I know I've seen you always ask about the 346 00:25:19.859 --> 00:25:23.849 siblings and you try to provide, if possible, some things for the siblings. 347 00:25:25.410 --> 00:25:27.210 I do, I have. I keep some toys on hand that are 348 00:25:27.369 --> 00:25:30.009 probably, you know, a little older, and even the few older clothes 349 00:25:30.490 --> 00:25:34.369 so I can I can give gifts to siblings to because I don't want them 350 00:25:34.410 --> 00:25:38.160 to feel left out. How do moms respond when you say those words? 351 00:25:38.279 --> 00:25:42.720 This represents the lavish love of God, and I want you, as you 352 00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:45.920 look around this room, I still you say it, like you said verbatim 353 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.480 every time I've been to the shower. I won't as you look around this 354 00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:53.029 room and you see this, I want you to see the love of God. 355 00:25:55.190 --> 00:25:56.910 Well, many are moved to tears. Yes, they really are. 356 00:25:57.069 --> 00:26:00.869 They many are. And then some words, but but many are. I 357 00:26:02.029 --> 00:26:04.019 think it's a I think it's a beautiful thing. I think it's one of 358 00:26:04.059 --> 00:26:07.660 the most poignant parts. Yeah, shower is really the surprise. When they 359 00:26:07.740 --> 00:26:11.900 walk in, right, they gasp and say they can't believe it. Yes, 360 00:26:11.059 --> 00:26:15.140 yeah, they really do. It's really beautiful. The gifts are all 361 00:26:15.259 --> 00:26:18.009 in you know, colorful gift bags that match. Most of them are either 362 00:26:18.049 --> 00:26:22.970 blue or pink or and the tissue shoe and the tags and all. It's 363 00:26:23.049 --> 00:26:27.650 really quite a nice display, I think. Yeah, I've actually delivered a 364 00:26:27.730 --> 00:26:33.200 few of those baby showers and had a I'm like, man, I don't 365 00:26:33.200 --> 00:26:34.720 know if I can fit all this on my vehicle. That's all. That's 366 00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:37.640 a lot of stuff. It is a lot, but it's not like it's 367 00:26:37.680 --> 00:26:41.000 not needed. I mean these MOMS are very thankful. Can I ask you 368 00:26:41.119 --> 00:26:45.680 a question that occurs to me because we have so many new missionaries coming on 369 00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:52.069 sidebock missionaries. What would you cautioned them as they're starting a baby shower ministry? 370 00:26:52.190 --> 00:26:56.109 Just in terms of what you do, and I don't mean to stump 371 00:26:56.150 --> 00:27:00.470 you with this question, but you do something that is different in from a 372 00:27:00.630 --> 00:27:08.220 typical baby shower. I would caution kind of you were alluding to it earlier 373 00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:14.980 about not thinking your job is to be a friend. I mean we do 374 00:27:15.170 --> 00:27:18.089 need to be a friend, but what we've said, we've already said it 375 00:27:18.210 --> 00:27:22.009 here, that the job is to share the gospel and to disciple. Yeah, 376 00:27:22.250 --> 00:27:26.089 and to call out sin if need be. Now there's kind ways to 377 00:27:26.130 --> 00:27:30.079 do that and there's some kind ways. Obviously I'm I'm encouraging the kind ways, 378 00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.160 you know, and that's that tension. We are always walking that tension, 379 00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:41.000 working with that tension. But I I don't have showers with cake and 380 00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:45.269 Punch and parties and party games and all of that. If I can help 381 00:27:45.269 --> 00:27:48.150 it. Now I have. I have if I've been discipling a woman all 382 00:27:48.190 --> 00:27:52.190 along or I know her mentor has, I'm a little more relaxed to do 383 00:27:52.309 --> 00:27:56.470 a party. But I don't typically want to have a party because for several 384 00:27:56.549 --> 00:28:00.539 reasons. One, the woman invites all her family and friends and then I 385 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.700 come in and I've got literally thousands of dollars worth of gifts, right, 386 00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:08.339 and they're like who is she? And Yeah, why is she giving you 387 00:28:08.380 --> 00:28:11.619 all this stuff? Yeah, then the woman is going to have to revisit 388 00:28:11.700 --> 00:28:17.250 her near abortion, how I came into her life, what the connection is, 389 00:28:17.490 --> 00:28:18.569 and I don't think she's going to want to do that. So I'm 390 00:28:18.569 --> 00:28:21.970 trying to help her see that. No, you really don't want to party 391 00:28:22.009 --> 00:28:26.650 because of this reason. Yeah, and then a second reason is I want 392 00:28:26.650 --> 00:28:30.160 to share the gospel and that's really hard to do in a big group setting. 393 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.440 Now, I have done it in a group setting, but it's really 394 00:28:33.519 --> 00:28:37.559 much better one on one in a more personal, private setting. And so 395 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:44.109 what I typically do, I don't do decorations usually, and I don't do 396 00:28:44.549 --> 00:28:48.190 cake and punch. What I do because I'm bringing all these gifts and trust 397 00:28:48.230 --> 00:28:52.549 me, that is a lot of work and if I have to add decorations 398 00:28:52.710 --> 00:28:56.140 and food to that, it's kind of puts me over the edge sometimes. 399 00:28:56.460 --> 00:29:00.339 So what I like to do is have a shower. It takes about an 400 00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:03.019 hour and a half, two hours to open all the gifts and then I 401 00:29:03.180 --> 00:29:06.539 like to take them out to lunch, yeah, or dinner, whatever meal 402 00:29:06.740 --> 00:29:11.250 is appropriate at the time, and then I like to share the gospel over 403 00:29:11.650 --> 00:29:15.289 the meal. And I'm very intentional about it and it's tempting to just not 404 00:29:15.490 --> 00:29:22.369 do it because it it's awkward. Making that transition from Baby Chit Chat, 405 00:29:22.609 --> 00:29:27.480 names and all that kind of stuff to Gospel is sometimes challenge most times challenging, 406 00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.400 but I'm very after all the work I did for the shower, I'm 407 00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:36.480 pretty committed to making sure that this happens. So we shared over the over 408 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:40.750 the meal. But what it's not to say she's got to come alone. 409 00:29:40.789 --> 00:29:44.670 I always encourage her to invite a close friend or a sister, mom, 410 00:29:45.390 --> 00:29:48.750 the boyfriend or husband or whatever. I mean. I'm happy to have a 411 00:29:48.190 --> 00:29:52.789 couple of others come as well, and then a sidewalk counselor like you, 412 00:29:52.829 --> 00:29:56.180 Vicky, have been to many of them. Whoever initially met her or if 413 00:29:56.259 --> 00:30:00.099 she has a love life, mentor the mint is welcome to come. So 414 00:30:00.619 --> 00:30:03.339 it's typically, you know, six, seven people at the most. Right. 415 00:30:03.819 --> 00:30:08.369 Yeah, they're pretty awesome. I remember one where a woman came to 416 00:30:08.410 --> 00:30:14.930 the Lord in Denny's. Was it? She is. Yeah, she would 417 00:30:15.049 --> 00:30:18.650 had been a former drug addict. It was in something like that we have. 418 00:30:18.769 --> 00:30:23.839 Yeah, yeah, I think it was denny's, I remember. Yeah, 419 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:27.039 I know which one you're talking yeah, she's still following God and she's 420 00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.240 doing a she's doing well. Yeah, well, let's get into to some 421 00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.910 of those stories. Yeah, because you've got a lot of experience you. 422 00:30:36.269 --> 00:30:37.549 I mean, how many baby showers if we done over the years, like 423 00:30:37.990 --> 00:30:42.710 Kajillian's? I don't know, maybe enough time that math. I A lot, 424 00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:47.269 a real lie. mean the first many years, you know, I 425 00:30:47.430 --> 00:30:52.140 was probably first, maybe eighteen years, I was probably only doing three, 426 00:30:52.299 --> 00:30:56.299 four, five six a year, so not that many. But the last 427 00:30:56.500 --> 00:31:00.500 twelve since official, since getting storage units and getting a name, I've I 428 00:31:00.700 --> 00:31:03.769 do about twenty five to thirty a year, which is a lot. So 429 00:31:04.009 --> 00:31:07.730 we're talking every other weekend almost. Yeah, so it's a lot. And 430 00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:11.569 and so I do have three storage units now. I started out which is 431 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.809 one little one and it grew and grew and grew and I have three quite 432 00:31:15.849 --> 00:31:21.599 large ones now that are pretty well organized. Not as well as I would 433 00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.960 like, but but that's when people say you have three units, that's it 434 00:31:26.160 --> 00:31:30.279 is expensive and that's my major ministry expense. But when you think about it, 435 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.309 I mean think about thirty cribs a year. Think about thirty car seats, 436 00:31:34.430 --> 00:31:40.950 thirty swings, thirty bathtubs, thirty mattresses. Yeah, all of that. 437 00:31:41.109 --> 00:31:45.230 I mean thirty betting sets and all the clothes. I mean every woman 438 00:31:45.309 --> 00:31:48.700 gets about, I don't know, about three hundred outfits of clothes, at 439 00:31:48.740 --> 00:31:52.980 least I don't know. Do Six Times twelve? What's that? Knows? 440 00:31:52.140 --> 00:31:56.059 Oh, come on, don't at Daniel and for sure don't answer me. 441 00:31:56.460 --> 00:32:00.740 Six comes twelve, seventy two. Okay, good. Yeah, they're getting 442 00:32:00.819 --> 00:32:05.690 probably about a hundred and thirty outfits a year. It really is thousands of 443 00:32:05.769 --> 00:32:08.450 dollars with it really is. It's a life stuff. Yeah, so it 444 00:32:08.849 --> 00:32:14.170 just it takes a lot of room and it's It's a Pretty Well oiled machine. 445 00:32:14.289 --> 00:32:16.000 The ministry is, but most of it is is a lot of grunt 446 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:20.480 work. I'm doing a lot of cleaning, I'm doing a lot of driving, 447 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:24.359 picking up donations, organizing. I spent like four hours in storage yesterday 448 00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:30.150 just, you know, yeah, putting stuff in and out and organizing and 449 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:34.710 that kind of thing. So it's a lot of worm. He's hot in 450 00:32:34.869 --> 00:32:37.630 the summer, is hot in my little tin storaging. It's in the winner 451 00:32:38.029 --> 00:32:42.309 it's cold, just like you guys on the streets. Maybe it's hot and 452 00:32:42.390 --> 00:32:45.420 it's cold. Yeah, so tell us some of those stories, which maybe 453 00:32:45.660 --> 00:32:50.700 maybe let's start with the we know there's highs and lows in any ministry. 454 00:32:50.740 --> 00:32:53.299 Maybe will end on a good note and maybe you could tell us about some 455 00:32:53.500 --> 00:32:59.369 of the sad or hard things that you've been countered. Yeah, because the 456 00:32:59.450 --> 00:33:01.809 case, there's this kind of notion because we share stories, we share them 457 00:33:01.849 --> 00:33:06.170 on social media. Yeah, there's this sort of notion that you know, 458 00:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.410 all the stories are great, that they all go fantastic, and you know, 459 00:33:08.490 --> 00:33:10.849 in the light of who God is and the fact that the Gospel is 460 00:33:10.930 --> 00:33:15.920 being presented in all of these stories, it's always a good it's always God 461 00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:19.839 is winning. God wins. As long as we're on his side, we 462 00:33:20.039 --> 00:33:25.039 win. Right. But the reality of ministry is sometimes more difficult than people 463 00:33:25.079 --> 00:33:30.829 would really believe. And for someone like yourself that have been in ministry for 464 00:33:31.069 --> 00:33:35.910 thirty two years and really done some hard stuff, people need to come to 465 00:33:35.990 --> 00:33:38.349 terms with the reality. The ministries tough and if nothing else to know, 466 00:33:38.549 --> 00:33:42.859 hey, pray for Cheryl, pray for pray for Vicky on the sidewalk, 467 00:33:42.900 --> 00:33:45.180 pray for me is we're minister on the sidewalk, because these these stories are 468 00:33:45.259 --> 00:33:49.460 difficult and they are waity, but God's graces sufficient. So yeah, I'd 469 00:33:49.460 --> 00:33:53.259 share a share a story struggle and we get some prayer warriors from the podcast 470 00:33:53.339 --> 00:33:58.690 where you well, I'll just touch on this. One of the most ongoing 471 00:33:59.089 --> 00:34:04.970 difficult struggles is just the brokenness of America's families. Yeah, and just when 472 00:34:05.009 --> 00:34:07.809 you when you get to know these women, and I know you too know 473 00:34:07.970 --> 00:34:09.639 it well, when you get to know them and you meet him and you 474 00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:15.880 meet their family members and you find out how disconnected the relationships are. I 475 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:20.760 mean a lot of the women we serve have had multiple children with multiple men 476 00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:24.750 and their siblings have done the same and and I used to try to meet 477 00:34:24.789 --> 00:34:30.550 them and try to mentally put together a family tree to find out how everyone's 478 00:34:30.590 --> 00:34:35.789 related and connected and it's really virtually impossible. So that's been very discouraging. 479 00:34:36.110 --> 00:34:40.179 And I'm always delighted that the baby is alive. The baby is loved at 480 00:34:40.260 --> 00:34:46.420 this point and welcomed and they're all excited about this baby coming. But but 481 00:34:46.659 --> 00:34:53.489 just knowing that the the baby is born into quite a fractured family and and 482 00:34:53.889 --> 00:35:00.929 the generational problem that ensues. When I mean it doesn't take long to to 483 00:35:02.329 --> 00:35:07.679 break up the family when a woman has never seen a functional nuclear family and 484 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:14.360 her life and then her children repeated and their children repeated. They don't they've 485 00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:19.639 never seen it work and and that's really a big problem in America, not 486 00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.469 just with what we're doing here but all across them. Yeah, absolutely. 487 00:35:22.710 --> 00:35:27.349 So that's been discouraging. I've come home from showers and cried all the way 488 00:35:27.349 --> 00:35:31.070 home many times in my car. Yeah, many times. So just struggling 489 00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:37.420 with that. And but other low's have mostly involved the death of babies. 490 00:35:37.460 --> 00:35:42.659 Yeah, that's very hard. After all the work of saving, you know, 491 00:35:43.380 --> 00:35:46.940 of saving babies on the sidewalk and providing for them, meeting all their 492 00:35:47.059 --> 00:35:52.369 needs all down the list of you know, your lengthy resource needs, and 493 00:35:52.489 --> 00:35:57.969 baby showers and all that and have baby stye. Is Tragic and I've seen 494 00:35:58.010 --> 00:36:05.960 it many times actually over thirty two years. Baby that was saved from abortion, 495 00:36:06.159 --> 00:36:09.599 showered, died of a brain tumor right at her second birthday. She 496 00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:15.760 was diagnosed at our first birthday and treated, you know, Chemo, radiation, 497 00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:20.110 surgery, all of that, and and still passed away. And and 498 00:36:20.230 --> 00:36:24.429 I'm still in contact with that mother. We actually reconnected on facebook round about 499 00:36:24.590 --> 00:36:29.909 six months ago. So we're still in contact. We this was this was 500 00:36:29.989 --> 00:36:35.460 probably twenty years ago, and so we've reconnected recently. So I'm glad about 501 00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:37.340 that. And she has, you know, know, she's moved on, 502 00:36:37.619 --> 00:36:42.900 she's done great. Her other children are all grown by now and she's doing 503 00:36:42.940 --> 00:36:46.889 well. Let me ask you, was it? Was it at least somewhat 504 00:36:47.130 --> 00:36:52.969 glimmer of hope in that very tragic situation that it was not she who had 505 00:36:53.050 --> 00:37:00.690 taken the babies life, but it was whatever cancer wouldever? You know, 506 00:37:00.849 --> 00:37:05.840 that's what I try to communicate. Yeah, weak and frail skills of verying. 507 00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:08.960 So, but they still always ask right, why, you know, 508 00:37:09.119 --> 00:37:14.480 why? What? I should have just aborted this baby? The same result. 509 00:37:15.039 --> 00:37:16.550 Yeah, and I say no, it's not the same reas all. 510 00:37:16.989 --> 00:37:23.110 Yeah, your baby new love. Your baby knew your warm embrace, your 511 00:37:23.150 --> 00:37:29.550 kiss, your hug, your tender voice speaking to your child, holding your 512 00:37:29.590 --> 00:37:34.500 child. Your child knew that, knew that Mommy loved her. Yeah, 513 00:37:35.300 --> 00:37:37.579 an abortion, she never would have known that. She would have known as 514 00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:44.369 terror, right terror. Yeah, and your conscience is clear. You've done 515 00:37:44.409 --> 00:37:46.809 the right thing. So these are the things I try to communicate. But 516 00:37:46.929 --> 00:37:50.449 there have been others. I mean, she's not the only one. That 517 00:37:50.570 --> 00:37:55.050 was a baby who died from asphyxiation in his crib. Oh, he had 518 00:37:55.250 --> 00:37:59.960 the flu and she had taken him to the emergency room that the night before 519 00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:04.559 and he was treated, given medicine. She brought him home and put him 520 00:38:04.559 --> 00:38:07.519 in his crib and woke up the next day and he was yeah, that's 521 00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.679 awful, he had passed. So, you know, she's the one that 522 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.829 got saved. She's the one who called me with all those questions that day, 523 00:38:15.070 --> 00:38:20.150 and she was a believer by this point. So she had tough questions. 524 00:38:20.389 --> 00:38:23.110 And Yeah, and these are questions none of us have the answers to. 525 00:38:23.429 --> 00:38:27.260 But God is the one whose sovereign over life. We are not. 526 00:38:27.539 --> 00:38:32.820 We cannot take life, only God can do his will and he has reasons 527 00:38:32.860 --> 00:38:38.139 and purposes and scripture shows all that and we are just to trust. Yeah, 528 00:38:38.300 --> 00:38:43.530 but very recently a mom who you two met right here on the sidewalks 529 00:38:44.809 --> 00:38:50.409 here just months ago, she delivered twins, boy, girl, twins about 530 00:38:50.409 --> 00:38:53.050 a month early. She had been on bed rest but she got to the 531 00:38:53.170 --> 00:38:59.039 eighth month and delivered a month early and it was all expected. Nobody was 532 00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:05.440 surprised by premature birth of twins. But the twins never thrived. They struggled 533 00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:10.429 for twelve days and fourteen days and they both passed just a couple of weeks 534 00:39:10.429 --> 00:39:15.670 ago. Right. So this is all very fresh and so I've been trying 535 00:39:15.710 --> 00:39:19.630 to minister to her and encourage her and pray with her and just be with 536 00:39:19.750 --> 00:39:23.940 her and there are no words. I mean there are no words and she 537 00:39:24.139 --> 00:39:28.940 is really quite numb right now. But she did have those same questions like 538 00:39:29.139 --> 00:39:30.739 why, what would have been wrong with me aboarding? You know, that 539 00:39:30.860 --> 00:39:35.380 kind of thing. So I went through the same type things with her. 540 00:39:35.460 --> 00:39:38.090 So these are lows. These are lows and these are questions I can't answer. 541 00:39:38.289 --> 00:39:42.570 None of us really can. But I do know that we have no 542 00:39:42.650 --> 00:39:47.489 right to take life right. Yeah, absolutely, and in all of that, 543 00:39:49.449 --> 00:39:52.840 by God's grace and by His mercy, you were there and able to 544 00:39:52.920 --> 00:39:58.360 speak truth to these MOMS, to listen. The hope ultimately that is, 545 00:39:58.519 --> 00:40:01.199 that is sure and that is steadfast, is the hope that's found in Jesus 546 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:07.039 Christ, and you're able to offer that and that's a tremendous blessing. People 547 00:40:07.119 --> 00:40:09.389 have, you know, all across the world, across the country, their 548 00:40:09.469 --> 00:40:14.190 children die young ages and they struggle with this and they have the why and 549 00:40:14.510 --> 00:40:17.150 many don't have a person like you who's going to be there and bring the 550 00:40:17.269 --> 00:40:21.460 mercy of God and the truth of God into the equation. So I appreciate 551 00:40:21.500 --> 00:40:22.900 you doing that and I know it's not easy. I man, I've had 552 00:40:22.980 --> 00:40:28.739 situations, stories that I could tell of these MOMS and these these dad's that 553 00:40:28.780 --> 00:40:31.739 I've ministered to, and you just come away from those situations thinking wow, 554 00:40:32.099 --> 00:40:36.369 that I really do any good. And you know, and you started doubt, 555 00:40:36.369 --> 00:40:38.969 but when you put things in perspective, like you said, that baby 556 00:40:39.489 --> 00:40:44.289 got to know love, whereas just in the womb and being torn apart by 557 00:40:44.289 --> 00:40:47.369 abortion, would not even be able to feel the touch of his mother. 558 00:40:47.449 --> 00:40:52.039 And so that's just an amazing way to put it. Appreciate you sharing that. 559 00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:55.840 Yeah, so going from the from the lows. Yeah, share a 560 00:40:55.920 --> 00:41:01.119 story that's just been a tremendous blessing, something that stuck out in three years. 561 00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:05.590 And there's so many of them. I've I've I've been so privileged to 562 00:41:05.670 --> 00:41:07.989 be a part of so many of those with you and there are just really 563 00:41:08.030 --> 00:41:13.710 amazing stories from your ministry. There are, and it was really hard to 564 00:41:13.789 --> 00:41:16.030 narrow it down to one right, but you can be too if you want. 565 00:41:17.190 --> 00:41:21.219 Well, I have one that's a really very sweet and it's about a 566 00:41:21.780 --> 00:41:25.699 sixteen year old story. Now, I met a very young, sweet couple, 567 00:41:27.179 --> 00:41:31.820 Hispanic couple, at the Hebron road abortion clinic about sixteen years ago and 568 00:41:32.250 --> 00:41:37.489 I really don't even remember reading meeting them at this point, but they spoke 569 00:41:37.610 --> 00:41:42.489 only Spanish. So My, you know, interaction with them was very brief 570 00:41:42.570 --> 00:41:45.090 because I don't know Spanish more than just a couple of words anyway, and 571 00:41:45.130 --> 00:41:47.440 I know, like you, you've probably said, in my spare time I'm 572 00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:52.679 going to learn Spanish. Never have. If you're bilingual, we need to. 573 00:41:52.960 --> 00:41:55.760 That's really that's one gift us. If the Lord can just give that 574 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.440 to me without me trying that that would be the thing I would ask for. 575 00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:01.989 Yeah, so all I could do really at the time I met him 576 00:42:02.150 --> 00:42:09.190 was to give them Spanish literature and then a resource list written in Spanish and 577 00:42:09.550 --> 00:42:13.829 say the little I could and point to the pictures, you know, of 578 00:42:13.949 --> 00:42:16.940 the babies in the literature and that kind of I showed them fetal models and 579 00:42:17.059 --> 00:42:21.980 they did they turned away and they left that day. But I, you 580 00:42:22.059 --> 00:42:23.739 know, I they had my number, but it's not like if they called 581 00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:29.340 I could understand them. The man spoke a little more English because he worked 582 00:42:29.380 --> 00:42:34.690 in construction and he had more exposure than she did. But anyway, several 583 00:42:34.809 --> 00:42:39.329 months later they came back to the clinic all smiles and she had a big 584 00:42:39.449 --> 00:42:44.960 pregnant belly and so that broke all the language barriers right there, her pregnant 585 00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:47.719 belly and saw her at the clinic when she came back. Yeah, you 586 00:42:47.840 --> 00:42:52.400 just happen to be there that that day then? Yes, well, I 587 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.679 was there every Saturday. I think they probably knew maybe I don't know, 588 00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:59.510 maybe they tried other times, I don't know, to find me, but 589 00:42:59.869 --> 00:43:01.869 if they came on a Saturday, I was most likely going to be there. 590 00:43:01.909 --> 00:43:08.349 Okay. So, so they showed up and we rejoiced and and I 591 00:43:08.469 --> 00:43:13.099 got their number once again, and then I had a bilingual friend of mine 592 00:43:13.219 --> 00:43:16.659 call and offer the shower and make the arrangements of the time and day I 593 00:43:16.739 --> 00:43:20.659 could come and bring gifts and that kind of thing. Well, I came 594 00:43:20.780 --> 00:43:22.900 and they went through the gifts and I had, you know, Spanish Gospel 595 00:43:22.940 --> 00:43:27.369 material that I can't really share, the Gospel and Spona. So anyway, 596 00:43:27.489 --> 00:43:30.730 that was kind of feeble, but it's the best I could do. And 597 00:43:30.849 --> 00:43:36.010 then after the gifts were open, they started calling their family and friends and 598 00:43:36.570 --> 00:43:40.289 they all started pouring into this ty tiny apartment with all the gifts already in 599 00:43:40.369 --> 00:43:45.320 the room too. So and they start singing, they pull out instruments, 600 00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.559 the women go in the kitchen and start cooking, and I am not a 601 00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.239 good cook, and they made there were from Honduras and they made a delicious 602 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:59.150 Hondur and meal and there may making Tortillia's by hand, and I want you 603 00:43:59.190 --> 00:44:04.710 to imagine all these little feminine hands patting out these Tortillia's in rhythm. I 604 00:44:04.750 --> 00:44:07.030 mean it was almost it was mesmerizing to me. And they're putting them in 605 00:44:07.110 --> 00:44:12.780 hot oil without burning their fingers. They're doing with their bare hands and I'm 606 00:44:12.860 --> 00:44:15.420 like, why are you using a tool? It was it was amazing to 607 00:44:15.460 --> 00:44:19.340 me. It was a breathtaking so they're synchronized and doing all that and they, 608 00:44:19.820 --> 00:44:22.340 you know, they start singing their songs and they start singing Christian songs 609 00:44:22.980 --> 00:44:28.050 and it was really beautiful. And their baby was born, baby girl. 610 00:44:29.090 --> 00:44:31.170 Her name is Cynthia and she was born in two thousand and five. She 611 00:44:31.369 --> 00:44:36.489 just turned fifteen a few well, last month, August, two thousand and 612 00:44:36.530 --> 00:44:39.320 five, and she's in high school now. But the sweet part of this 613 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:46.639 story is that this family calls to me every Christmas. Oh, every Christmas 614 00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.000 they call me and thank me, and I mean if it's not well, 615 00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:54.389 it might be Christmas, our New Year's. It's in that week of holiday. 616 00:44:54.670 --> 00:44:59.150 Yeah, and and the daughter always speaks to me the longest. She 617 00:44:59.349 --> 00:45:02.630 knows the story, she knows what almost happened to her. The fifteen year 618 00:45:02.630 --> 00:45:06.710 old knows. She knows she was almost aborted. Wow, she does. 619 00:45:06.829 --> 00:45:08.500 In her English is the best. So she talks to me the longest. 620 00:45:08.539 --> 00:45:14.139 Yeah, and they had another they married and they had another daughter about four 621 00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:16.099 years ago. So they have two girls right now and they work very hard. 622 00:45:16.139 --> 00:45:22.530 They're very responsible family pursuing the American dream and their gratitude has lifted me 623 00:45:22.809 --> 00:45:27.610 on many, many discouraging days. That's a really it is a blessing, 624 00:45:27.769 --> 00:45:31.530 an awesome story. We have a Vietnamese lady who sends both me and Cheryl 625 00:45:31.730 --> 00:45:39.280 and the interpreter notes every every few weeks with pictures and thanking in in her 626 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:45.559 broken English, thanking you for for all that you did and for us being 627 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.480 there. It is she's sweet, that's she is jerious. Kind of thanks, 628 00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.829 because there are many that don't think right, as you know. There 629 00:45:52.869 --> 00:45:54.909 are many, but I the Lord has reminded me many times that. You 630 00:45:55.030 --> 00:46:00.389 know, Jesus at one point healed ten leppers. It's only one came back 631 00:46:00.469 --> 00:46:07.780 to exactly, I mean disease that is incurable, and only one came back 632 00:46:07.940 --> 00:46:10.539 to the right. So we don't operate for thanks, we operate for God's 633 00:46:10.579 --> 00:46:15.019 glory. Yeah, but it is good to have things. It can be 634 00:46:15.099 --> 00:46:19.409 discouraging in a lot of times to be out there, to be doing what 635 00:46:19.530 --> 00:46:22.289 you're doing day in and day out and not have any anythinks. The Lord 636 00:46:22.369 --> 00:46:27.250 Is Very Merciful, yeah, to let us sometimes hear those, those thank 637 00:46:27.329 --> 00:46:30.809 you's. Yeah, well, your model, your model of ministry, became 638 00:46:30.889 --> 00:46:37.440 the model that I think love life strives to follow with their the mentors when 639 00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:42.639 they give a baby shower, providing two years of the baby's clothes and equipment. 640 00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:47.190 And that's something that we call out every day and that alone has changed 641 00:46:47.269 --> 00:46:52.190 people's minds, sometimes just hearing Oh, I don't have to do all that 642 00:46:52.510 --> 00:46:57.230 and they'll come and talk to us. So when you said you kind of 643 00:46:57.349 --> 00:47:00.869 grease the wheels, it's it's not a bribe at all. It truly is 644 00:47:00.230 --> 00:47:07.659 just just showing I'm offering, through God's people, this this law, this 645 00:47:07.860 --> 00:47:12.820 demonstration of love, and they're willing then to trust and to come talk with 646 00:47:12.980 --> 00:47:15.489 you. It does. It Softens Hard It's softens hearts ex and now that 647 00:47:15.690 --> 00:47:20.929 lays the groundwork for the gospel. Except one's hearts are soft, then they 648 00:47:21.010 --> 00:47:24.489 can hear truth. Yeah, yeah, Amen. Well, I mean I 649 00:47:24.610 --> 00:47:28.050 think with that we're going to wrap this thing up. Yeah, we could 650 00:47:28.090 --> 00:47:31.880 talk to the food end on a positive note. Yeah, and just thank 651 00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.559 God for all that he's done. I appreciate you, shy ill. Appreciate 652 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:39.440 Your faithfulness to the Lord and the encouragement that really you've given to so many, 653 00:47:40.400 --> 00:47:45.389 certainly to me, certainly to Vicky, into others. And if you 654 00:47:45.429 --> 00:47:46.989 guys want to reach out to share, where can they? They can reach 655 00:47:47.030 --> 00:47:52.030 you. Is it truth and mercy Pro Life Ministries Dot Org? That is 656 00:47:52.070 --> 00:47:57.269 okay. Spell out and truth and mercy pro life dot Org. Okay, 657 00:47:57.469 --> 00:48:00.659 cool, and they can get your email address there and reach out to you 658 00:48:00.699 --> 00:48:02.380 that way. And if you guys want to support Cheryl, like she said, 659 00:48:02.420 --> 00:48:06.980 a big ministry expense is the storage units that she has and there's other 660 00:48:07.099 --> 00:48:09.940 ministry expenses to come on gas and hallow these gifts and all of that stuff. 661 00:48:09.940 --> 00:48:13.050 So you guys want to help out with that, you certainly could reach 662 00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:15.130 out to her and I'm sure she would receive your donation. And if you 663 00:48:15.210 --> 00:48:17.889 have baby items you want to give, yes, you can certainly give some 664 00:48:19.010 --> 00:48:22.050 baby items to her, but she year. We appreciate you coming and sharing 665 00:48:22.570 --> 00:48:24.690 and we appreciate you guys that listen. Please again, like I started out, 666 00:48:24.730 --> 00:48:28.880 share this podcast. I'm sure it'll be a blessing to somebody and reach 667 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.960 out to us if you have ideas for future podcast. We're gonna be touching 668 00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:36.840 off on all kinds of subjects in the coming weeks. We just have a 669 00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.000 lot that the Lord is doing here in our ministry and we want to share 670 00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.070 some of the things that God is doing and also share just some of the 671 00:48:44.150 --> 00:48:46.110 issues that we're struggling with and helping you guys. This is for people who 672 00:48:46.150 --> 00:48:51.590 are in ministry and you guys are just got some questions and things you're struggling 673 00:48:51.590 --> 00:48:53.590 with. When to help you as we talk, there are struggles in the 674 00:48:53.670 --> 00:48:58.900 things that we're dealing with on a daily basis and help encourage you guys. 675 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:05.980 So we appreciate you guys listening and until next time, God bless give me 676 00:49:06.780 --> 00:49:19.130 our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it 677 00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:28.119 will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some that you