March 19, 2020

Should We Keep Track of Numbers in Prolife Ministry?

Should We Keep Track of Numbers in Prolife Ministry?

We recently celebrated our 5,000th baby saved here in Charlotte. It's awesome to be a part of what God is doing and keeping track of these numbers is so encouraging but is keeping track of those numbers Biblical? Some may even see it as prideful to...


We recently celebrated our 5,000th baby saved here in Charlotte. It's awesome to be a part of what God is doing and keeping track of these numbers is so encouraging but is keeping track of those numbers Biblical? Some may even see it as prideful to keep such a tally. Some think that the numbers aren't important and obedience to the Lord is all that matters. But what does the Bible have to say about this? Join us as we look at this from a Biblical perspective.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.560 --> 00:00:05.759 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours s and me. 2 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:10.269 Lord. Just a few weeks ago we celebrated five thousand babies saved through the 3 00:00:10.310 --> 00:00:13.550 Ministry of Cities for life here in Charlotte. But is it biblical to keep 4 00:00:13.589 --> 00:00:17.109 track of numbers or is it just prideful? And what are the benefits and 5 00:00:17.230 --> 00:00:20.550 some of the downsides of keeping track of numbers? Join us as we look 6 00:00:20.550 --> 00:00:29.059 at this from a Gospel centered perspective. I felt show passish touch your heart. 7 00:00:33.219 --> 00:00:37.049 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast and this episode we're going to 8 00:00:37.130 --> 00:00:42.810 talk about numbers. We've recently, as a ministry, celebrated five thousand baby 9 00:00:42.890 --> 00:00:46.250 saved. We praise God for that. We had a little celebration here with 10 00:00:46.329 --> 00:00:52.479 our volunteers at the office and celebrated what God has done since since actually before 11 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:57.560 cities for life got started, right some folks started keeping numbers back in two 12 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:00.200 thousand and eight. Cities for life got started officially in two thousand and ten. 13 00:01:00.359 --> 00:01:03.310 A lot of those folks are keeping keeping numbers. Are Part of the 14 00:01:03.430 --> 00:01:10.069 original cities for life crew. Anyway, we counted five thousand babies that have 15 00:01:10.150 --> 00:01:15.030 been saved in that period of time. Here in Charlotte and you know, 16 00:01:15.109 --> 00:01:22.579 I wanted to do a podcast to celebrate that but also to ask the question, 17 00:01:23.620 --> 00:01:27.700 is it really biblical to keep numbers? Is it really some thing that 18 00:01:27.780 --> 00:01:33.730 we should do as a ministry? I know for me personally, before, 19 00:01:36.209 --> 00:01:38.290 you know, I'd been out at Latrobe, the La tree abortion clinic, 20 00:01:38.409 --> 00:01:44.969 since two thousand and five and really did not see the need to keep the 21 00:01:45.010 --> 00:01:49.799 numbers of babies that were saved and sort I guess, you know, I 22 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:53.120 guess I wanted to view it as as like humility, like all, we 23 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:56.920 don't need to keep track of the numbers and and all of that. And 24 00:01:57.159 --> 00:02:00.909 I think it was really more pride, though. It was almost like, 25 00:02:01.510 --> 00:02:06.430 you know, I'm so we're so awesome and so so humble. So it's 26 00:02:06.469 --> 00:02:09.069 Neis is like this this pride for humility, so humble, we don't need 27 00:02:09.069 --> 00:02:13.389 to keep tracking numbers because it doesn't God knows. You know, sort of 28 00:02:13.430 --> 00:02:16.259 that mentality right, and you know, I regret not Havn't kept track of 29 00:02:16.300 --> 00:02:20.860 those numbers, because there are, you know, there were some Saturdays at 30 00:02:20.900 --> 00:02:23.340 that time, Saturday's were the busiest day where we would see, you know, 31 00:02:23.460 --> 00:02:28.379 three, four, five babies saved in one Saturday and we just didn't 32 00:02:28.419 --> 00:02:30.610 get people to ask how many babies have been saved over the past so and 33 00:02:30.729 --> 00:02:32.810 so be like, Oh, I don't know that almost would say it with 34 00:02:32.930 --> 00:02:36.449 pride or I don't have a clue, but God knows. You know, 35 00:02:36.650 --> 00:02:39.090 numbers don't matter it. Numbers don't matter. Obedience is yeah, are Imedia 36 00:02:39.169 --> 00:02:43.250 are obedience and you know what. So we're going to talk through some of 37 00:02:43.289 --> 00:02:47.680 that in this podcast because there are some mentalities and I think it maybe there's 38 00:02:47.719 --> 00:02:53.840 ditches on both sides, you know, where we take pride in the numbers 39 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:58.120 and all this, or we take pride and not keeping track numbers. You 40 00:02:58.199 --> 00:03:00.310 know, ultimately, you know, I think we'll start the same way. 41 00:03:00.349 --> 00:03:06.189 That will end. It's God that does the baby saving, it's God that 42 00:03:06.310 --> 00:03:08.870 does opening hearts, it's God that does the saving, it's not us. 43 00:03:09.509 --> 00:03:14.219 So we have to acknowledge that right and if we acknowledge that and we keep 44 00:03:14.300 --> 00:03:17.979 in that vain, then I think we can guard ourselves against being prideful because, 45 00:03:19.020 --> 00:03:22.939 you know, there are some things that really irk me in you know, 46 00:03:23.099 --> 00:03:27.250 in Christianity, in prolife ministry. They have to do with numbers. 47 00:03:27.409 --> 00:03:30.849 You know, I do not like you know if anybody, if you work 48 00:03:30.930 --> 00:03:36.849 for a pregnancy center and you use this method to raise money and stuff, 49 00:03:36.849 --> 00:03:39.969 I'm not you know, do what you do before the Lord. Okay, 50 00:03:40.009 --> 00:03:45.800 but I do not like when, like pregnancy centers especially, talk about numbers 51 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:50.080 and talk about, you know, we saw this many baby saved and this 52 00:03:50.240 --> 00:03:53.000 is how much it takes to save a baby. So, you know, 53 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.830 if you give us whatever it is, I don't know what the emacs, 54 00:03:55.870 --> 00:04:00.750 allmount of numbers, excellentiment in that'll save a baby. I don't like that. 55 00:04:00.870 --> 00:04:03.590 Yeah, now that's a personal you know, I'm not saying I don't 56 00:04:03.590 --> 00:04:06.750 like it. And here's what the Scripture says about not doing that, because 57 00:04:06.789 --> 00:04:11.060 I don't know if anish scripture immediately comes to mind. That says, you 58 00:04:11.139 --> 00:04:15.099 know, don't, don't. I just don't like the idea of putting a 59 00:04:15.099 --> 00:04:17.300 price tag on our you know, save a baby for whatever, a hundred 60 00:04:17.339 --> 00:04:21.379 dollars. That irks me. Could be a personal thing, but I think 61 00:04:21.420 --> 00:04:27.769 it's I think it's the Lord or in me that doesn't like that. Could 62 00:04:27.769 --> 00:04:31.009 be wrong about that, though. But also, like I said, there's 63 00:04:31.009 --> 00:04:33.850 a ditch on both sides and there's this idea that you know, numbers don't 64 00:04:33.850 --> 00:04:40.399 matter. It doesn't all that matters is obedience and and on its face that's 65 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:42.839 true, and we're going to talk about some of that and some of the 66 00:04:43.079 --> 00:04:46.079 the points that we're going to talk through here on that. On its face 67 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.439 that's true. We're called to be obedient and we've talked about this another podcast. 68 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.709 Will Continue to talk about this. We're called to be obedient, whether 69 00:04:53.750 --> 00:04:57.629 the numbers are there not. The Bible tells us, open your mouth for 70 00:04:57.709 --> 00:05:00.389 the speechless and the cause of all who are pointed it ou open your mouth, 71 00:05:00.389 --> 00:05:03.110 judge righteously, plead the cause of the born needy. Period. It 72 00:05:03.189 --> 00:05:08.740 doesn't say plead the cause of born needy. And unless you produce so many 73 00:05:08.779 --> 00:05:11.259 babies being saved in this and that and this and that, right can go 74 00:05:11.379 --> 00:05:13.779 take a break. Then you can take a break or you know, you 75 00:05:13.860 --> 00:05:15.779 can't take a break. You know, whatever, whatever. Yeah, so 76 00:05:16.500 --> 00:05:19.620 we're called to obedience, we're called to obey the Lord will call to proclaim 77 00:05:19.699 --> 00:05:25.009 the Gospel. But within that call, as we see, you know, 78 00:05:25.089 --> 00:05:30.290 in particular the call of reclaiming the Gospel, there is going to be fruit 79 00:05:30.329 --> 00:05:33.370 that's going to be born, there are going to be souls that are saved. 80 00:05:33.410 --> 00:05:36.240 And I think we do see. If you know, we look at 81 00:05:36.279 --> 00:05:42.399 this thing biblically, do numbers matter? If we look at it biblically, 82 00:05:43.079 --> 00:05:47.040 you have an entire book of the Bible called numbers. We have that in 83 00:05:47.160 --> 00:05:50.430 our bibles. It's in the Old Testament. If you don't know, it's 84 00:05:50.470 --> 00:05:56.670 one of the five books of Moses. Right. Yeah, and so numbers 85 00:05:56.790 --> 00:06:00.430 do matter and obviously your God wouldn't have inspired a book of numbers. Yeah. 86 00:06:00.910 --> 00:06:03.420 Now, of course we know the book of numbers is not just about 87 00:06:04.379 --> 00:06:08.899 tallying numbers. Of A lot of it is, although a lot of it 88 00:06:09.100 --> 00:06:13.540 is. Yeah, I mean that's the bulk of it is lineages and those 89 00:06:13.579 --> 00:06:17.259 sort of things. But read the passage you've got you've got written down here 90 00:06:17.610 --> 00:06:21.889 from numbers that has to do with well, it was pretty interesting when you 91 00:06:23.329 --> 00:06:25.889 contacted me and said, Hey, what do you think? Would this be 92 00:06:26.009 --> 00:06:29.649 a good topic? Who Does? Do numbers matter to God? Yeah, 93 00:06:29.769 --> 00:06:31.209 and that was the day, I think, or the next day, I 94 00:06:31.410 --> 00:06:36.920 started in my daily Bible reading. Just happened to be starting them. So 95 00:06:38.240 --> 00:06:42.040 happen? Are flutes? Started to read in the book of numbers and the 96 00:06:42.040 --> 00:06:46.000 Book of numbers is honestly my least favorite book, and it's filled with numbers 97 00:06:46.149 --> 00:06:49.670 and and and you're not a numbers person? No, I don't even love 98 00:06:49.829 --> 00:06:57.269 numbers. But but God numbered everything, numbered the people, he numbered the 99 00:06:57.430 --> 00:07:01.379 utensils used in service to him. He gave exact numbers in the building of 100 00:07:01.500 --> 00:07:05.660 the temple. I mean numbers are and numbers have special meaning. Yeah, 101 00:07:05.899 --> 00:07:11.939 numbers are often symbolic throughout the Bible, so numbers clearly matter to him. 102 00:07:11.939 --> 00:07:15.129 Yeah, so here was, I thought, a great verse just to start 103 00:07:15.170 --> 00:07:17.730 us off. We're going to go into a lot of verses, yeah, 104 00:07:17.850 --> 00:07:24.290 over the course of this podcast. But this is not numbers for forty six 105 00:07:24.410 --> 00:07:28.810 to forty nine. Okay, all those who were listed, of the Levites, 106 00:07:29.089 --> 00:07:32.279 who Moses and Darren and the chiefs of Israel, listed by their clans 107 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.800 and their father's houses, from thirty years old up to fifty years old, 108 00:07:38.480 --> 00:07:43.279 everyone who could come to do the service of Ministry and the service of bearing 109 00:07:43.360 --> 00:07:47.430 burdens in the tent of meeting. Those listed were eight thousand, five hundred 110 00:07:47.470 --> 00:07:51.990 and eighty. According to the commandments of the Lord through Moses, they were 111 00:07:53.110 --> 00:07:59.259 listed, each one with his task of serving or carrying. Thus they were 112 00:07:59.379 --> 00:08:03.779 listed by him, as the Lord commanded Moses. Yeah, say some really 113 00:08:03.939 --> 00:08:09.819 critical concepts. Yeah, absolutely, Moses was commanded by God to list them. 114 00:08:11.459 --> 00:08:13.930 They were to be listed. All of those that were basically of eligible 115 00:08:15.129 --> 00:08:18.610 service age were to be listed, not only to number how many of those 116 00:08:18.689 --> 00:08:24.449 would be called to serve God, but the task. It also listed that 117 00:08:24.610 --> 00:08:31.959 they would be called to do. Yea God. So so that's it, 118 00:08:31.080 --> 00:08:35.000 I think, a great place to to start. that. Yet numbers, 119 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.679 numbers were, you are, important and used. Yeah, and then you 120 00:08:37.799 --> 00:08:41.950 know, the the context that we're talking about, and what brought this to 121 00:08:43.029 --> 00:08:46.070 mind from me, was that we've seen five thousand baby saved as a ministry. 122 00:08:46.669 --> 00:08:52.029 And is it biblical for to us to keep back at those numbers? 123 00:08:52.710 --> 00:08:54.230 And is it prideful? I mean to me, that would be my main 124 00:08:54.309 --> 00:08:58.700 concern. Am I being prideful, because I don't. You know, our 125 00:08:58.740 --> 00:09:01.299 goal is not to draw attention to us, it's draw attention to the Lord. 126 00:09:01.820 --> 00:09:05.580 But when the Lord gives you a platform and it gives you a ministry, 127 00:09:05.580 --> 00:09:07.539 you want to make sure you're being fruitful to so numbers are away for 128 00:09:07.620 --> 00:09:11.289 us to to gage fruitfulness and we'll get into a little bit of that here 129 00:09:11.289 --> 00:09:15.450 in just a minute. Yeah, but you know, you do have also, 130 00:09:15.570 --> 00:09:18.889 you know, as we're thinking about ministry and we're thinking about you know, 131 00:09:18.409 --> 00:09:22.850 I mean we look at numbers of people that are coming to the abortion 132 00:09:22.929 --> 00:09:28.559 clinics. We need to look at those numbers and the people that are flooding 133 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:33.200 into that place and then figure out, as a ministry, okay, how 134 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.200 many people do we need as volunteers out there on the sidewalk? You know, 135 00:09:35.279 --> 00:09:39.509 that's something we're constantly looking at, YEP, trying to raise up more 136 00:09:39.590 --> 00:09:43.110 numbers of people to be out there so that we can be as effective as 137 00:09:43.190 --> 00:09:46.950 possible reaching those people, because you know as well as I do if you're 138 00:09:46.950 --> 00:09:52.830 on the sidewalk there and it's just you and another person and you've got a 139 00:09:52.940 --> 00:09:56.940 flood of sometimes, you know, like on a Monday or Friday, which 140 00:09:56.980 --> 00:09:58.980 are some of the busiest days, sometimes even on the Saturday it busy, 141 00:10:00.500 --> 00:10:03.220 when you've got forty or fifty people coming in, it's just two of you. 142 00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:05.460 Right. I mean, numbers do matter, for sure, they're yeah, 143 00:10:05.460 --> 00:10:09.370 right, you're like overwhelm. Now we take confidence in the Lord. 144 00:10:09.490 --> 00:10:13.649 It's not about the numbers of people's you know, the Lord can save by 145 00:10:13.730 --> 00:10:18.850 few and by many. So you know, we have to balance this idea 146 00:10:18.970 --> 00:10:22.960 that you we need more people out there in the sidewalk with this source, 147 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.360 of course, Biblical idea that we've got a trust in the Lord. So 148 00:10:26.360 --> 00:10:28.240 we're not trusting in numbers. And I think that would be the that would 149 00:10:28.240 --> 00:10:31.080 be the issue if, if our trust is in numbers, if, as 150 00:10:31.240 --> 00:10:35.149 if our trust is in having a number of people out there on the sidewalk, 151 00:10:35.190 --> 00:10:39.230 or our trust is in having a number of baby saying that somehow makes 152 00:10:39.309 --> 00:10:45.350 us better than someone else or makes us more more special to God or something 153 00:10:45.389 --> 00:10:50.259 like that. So you've just listed so far two things that are a trap 154 00:10:50.700 --> 00:10:54.980 of numbers, and the that's pride and trust. Yeah, our pride can't 155 00:10:54.019 --> 00:10:58.460 be in those numbers and our trust can't be in those numbers. Yeah, 156 00:10:58.539 --> 00:11:03.860 but numbers do serve a useful purpose. And God says we're two or three 157 00:11:03.860 --> 00:11:07.769 are gathered in my name. So we know that numbers matter, that they're 158 00:11:07.889 --> 00:11:11.850 that he does want us you gather more than just one. And then he 159 00:11:11.009 --> 00:11:16.330 sent people out to ministry in two's, Ye, right, and they had 160 00:11:16.409 --> 00:11:20.799 to be a minimum of two. And we do that even just for accountability, 161 00:11:20.840 --> 00:11:26.840 safety purposes someone to videotape if something terrible happens. So again, those 162 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:35.070 numbers are important. Yeah, here's a quote from Eugene Peterson, who theologian, 163 00:11:35.110 --> 00:11:39.549 I think, is or commentator, Bible commentator, and he writes in 164 00:11:39.629 --> 00:11:45.110 the in his introduction to the book of numbers, we need organize as organizational 165 00:11:45.269 --> 00:11:48.659 help. When people live together in community, jobs have to be assigned, 166 00:11:48.700 --> 00:11:56.419 leaders appointed, inventories kept, counting and listing and rosters are as much a 167 00:11:56.580 --> 00:12:01.450 part of being a community of God as prayer and Instruction and justice. Accurate 168 00:12:01.490 --> 00:12:07.370 Arithmetic is an aspect of becoming a people of God. So I think he 169 00:12:07.610 --> 00:12:13.570 lists some of the positive reasons for numbers. Yeah, in in the book 170 00:12:13.649 --> 00:12:18.639 of numbers itself. So and and the book of numbers is a an accounting 171 00:12:18.720 --> 00:12:24.440 of the soldiers for the Lord, the rosters and results of battles. I 172 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.360 mean he does talk about the results of the battles, which in a sense 173 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:31.470 is what we're doing right when we're out on the sidewalk and we're recording the 174 00:12:31.509 --> 00:12:35.909 numbers of baby safe. That's like tabulating in a sense, the results of 175 00:12:35.590 --> 00:12:41.389 a battle, yes, spiritual battle that day. Yeah, so you know, 176 00:12:41.470 --> 00:12:43.740 there's some just one scripture that came to mind for me and I was 177 00:12:43.779 --> 00:12:48.940 actually looking for it. Why? You were talking sort of a funny scripture 178 00:12:48.940 --> 00:12:50.940 about numbers to me. I mean maybe there's some depth to this thing. 179 00:12:52.379 --> 00:12:54.740 So maybe just were for me for a little bit of comic relief, talking 180 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.690 about numbers, because it is interesting, little bit of a rabbit trails. 181 00:12:58.889 --> 00:13:05.090 It's interesting how often the Bible mentions obscure numbers and just numbers of things and 182 00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:09.129 things that are tabulated like you, like you mentioned there in the numbers passage, 183 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:13.240 and there's other places where things are numbered and things are counted in all 184 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.759 this, and I think one since it shows us the the way that God 185 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.480 is pretty thorough in his word and the way it God's people are pretty through 186 00:13:20.480 --> 00:13:24.080 and he calls us to be through, and also the way that just knew 187 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.590 this is a practical book. The Bible's a practical book and it's his story. 188 00:13:26.710 --> 00:13:31.149 Yes, I mean he actually counted a week at the actual numbers, 189 00:13:31.269 --> 00:13:35.350 and you know, that shows I think that gives you a greater proof that 190 00:13:35.549 --> 00:13:41.820 he was accurately recording history exactly. Yeah, and so this passage that's we're 191 00:13:41.899 --> 00:13:43.139 something funny, is numbered to me. Okay, we're in. It's a 192 00:13:43.179 --> 00:13:46.580 funny number. This is John Twenty one, okay, and this is the 193 00:13:46.659 --> 00:13:50.779 story of so it's after the resurrection of Jesus. The disciples have gone on 194 00:13:52.340 --> 00:13:56.169 to go back to fishing and you know, maybe there's some messages out there 195 00:13:56.250 --> 00:14:00.009 about why they did this and that whatever, but Jesus is on the shore, 196 00:14:00.210 --> 00:14:03.370 he sees them, they don't recognize him. He tells them the cast 197 00:14:03.450 --> 00:14:07.570 their nets. They cast their nets and when they get a miraculous catch of 198 00:14:07.649 --> 00:14:09.960 fish, that's when Peter Realizes all. It's the Lord and he jumps into 199 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:16.919 the water. Anyway, says here in John Twenty one. In Verse Eleven 200 00:14:16.840 --> 00:14:20.480 is eleven. Yeah, Verse Eleven, Simon Peber, Peter went up and 201 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.230 drag the net to the land full of large fish. One hundred and fifty 202 00:14:24.389 --> 00:14:28.029 three. So not just a round number of a hundred fifty pound, a 203 00:14:28.070 --> 00:14:31.029 hundred fifty, yeah, around a hundred fift notice it's a hundred and fifty 204 00:14:31.309 --> 00:14:35.629 three, hundred fifty three. So you have to ask yourself like, okay, 205 00:14:35.789 --> 00:14:39.460 why did John Record the exact number of fish? Why a hundred fifty 206 00:14:39.500 --> 00:14:43.940 three? And I'm sure there's theories out there. I'm sure probably this number 207 00:14:45.460 --> 00:14:50.059 does have some kind of biblical significance, like some kind of underlying meaning. 208 00:14:50.259 --> 00:14:52.529 I don't think we should question at all that there were exactly a hundred fifty 209 00:14:52.570 --> 00:14:54.970 three fish. I mean there's no reason to believe there wasn't, because it's 210 00:14:56.049 --> 00:14:58.929 God's word, right. But it's funny to me. A hundred fifty three 211 00:14:58.970 --> 00:15:01.570 fish, yeah, why not just around a hundred and fifty? Why did 212 00:15:01.809 --> 00:15:05.049 just say, you know, they caught a hundred or, you know, 213 00:15:05.169 --> 00:15:07.120 some measurement of the day or whatever. Why did they have to count them 214 00:15:07.159 --> 00:15:11.759 at all? It's something that I'm houndering. Yeah, but I mean I 215 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:16.720 think it does speak to this the nature of God and his word being pretty 216 00:15:16.759 --> 00:15:22.029 thorough with keeping tracking the numbers and keeping track of even catches of fish, 217 00:15:22.429 --> 00:15:26.629 and in this passage, I think it relates even very directly to what we're 218 00:15:26.629 --> 00:15:31.350 talking about because again, it's a result. It's a result of God's command. 219 00:15:31.549 --> 00:15:35.899 They were obedient, and presumably Jesus was there as they're counting the fish. 220 00:15:35.980 --> 00:15:39.059 If that was like not to be done, yeah, if we were 221 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:41.340 just supposed to say, well, we were obedient to you, Lord, 222 00:15:41.340 --> 00:15:45.779 who cares? How many? Who Cares? I mean, yeah, but 223 00:15:45.980 --> 00:15:50.529 he apparently approved of them counting the fish and they gave an exact count. 224 00:15:50.570 --> 00:15:54.129 Yeah, at this point, this is this is where he tells them, 225 00:15:54.210 --> 00:15:56.850 he gives them some specific instructions. Cast your net on the right side of 226 00:15:56.929 --> 00:16:03.049 the boat, and so they did, and they called that multitude a hundred 227 00:16:03.090 --> 00:16:04.519 and fifty three fish. Anyway, to me, that's that's when I read 228 00:16:04.559 --> 00:16:08.480 that passages, I'm like, Wow, Lord, you're pretty thorough. That's 229 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.440 that's a that's a funny number. That's a lot of fish to about. 230 00:16:12.519 --> 00:16:15.320 It's a lot of it because they were probably big fish. Those were what 231 00:16:15.399 --> 00:16:18.509 it says large fish is a hundred fifty three. A large fish. There 232 00:16:18.509 --> 00:16:22.309 were a hundred fifty right, and they ate right away, some of those 233 00:16:22.389 --> 00:16:27.070 fish. Yeah, yeah, so I wanted to point that. Well, 234 00:16:27.110 --> 00:16:30.870 I don't think that's a rabbit trail at all. Actually, I think that's 235 00:16:30.110 --> 00:16:34.139 the most pivotal verse even of all the ones I gather up this because it's 236 00:16:34.179 --> 00:16:38.740 very clear. God gave a command, the command was obeyed. HMM, 237 00:16:40.059 --> 00:16:44.539 therey results and there was a counting, yeah, of the results. Yeah, 238 00:16:44.779 --> 00:16:48.889 not for pride. But I think why? I think that's a great 239 00:16:48.929 --> 00:16:52.529 question. Why? And I think I don't know all the answers of why, 240 00:16:52.610 --> 00:16:57.809 but one immediate why answer that I can think of is it points them 241 00:16:57.929 --> 00:17:06.720 back to their obedience to God produced this enormous catch when they had been been 242 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.519 completely unsuccessful. Yeah, prior to that, right. Yeah, absolutely. 243 00:17:10.559 --> 00:17:14.839 So. Yeah. Well, you know, you can look to and I 244 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:18.670 think we need to look at the other other side of the coin, to 245 00:17:18.950 --> 00:17:22.630 that there were those in God's word who were obedient to the Lord. You 246 00:17:22.710 --> 00:17:25.190 know, you have Jeremiah, the Prophet, for example. Yeah, it 247 00:17:25.349 --> 00:17:29.750 was obedient to the Lord till the bitter end. And you know he didn't 248 00:17:29.750 --> 00:17:33.700 have very many converts. He didn't put to God ever say count your converts, 249 00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:37.619 no good, not. Probably did. Basically probably, probably for good 250 00:17:37.660 --> 00:17:41.420 reason. You look look at a man like Noah, for example, who 251 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:45.170 them, who we know as a shit builder and as a guy who obeyed 252 00:17:45.250 --> 00:17:48.170 God and building a boat in the middle of the desert when there had been 253 00:17:48.210 --> 00:17:52.210 no rain and no reason for a boat. And there you goes building that 254 00:17:52.329 --> 00:17:56.730 thing for some folks say a hundred to a hundred twenty years that he built 255 00:17:56.809 --> 00:18:00.720 this thing and he didn't you know, he had the whole known world that 256 00:18:00.880 --> 00:18:04.440 he was preaching to and they only converts he got was really his family and 257 00:18:04.440 --> 00:18:10.799 they were pretty reluctant to to be converts to his calls as well. So 258 00:18:11.240 --> 00:18:15.150 we have to weigh out scripturally. Obedience does not always translate into, you 259 00:18:15.230 --> 00:18:19.029 know, a hundred, fifty three fish right. Obedience is where the victory 260 00:18:19.069 --> 00:18:23.109 is. Is One we have to obey God, whether or not we see 261 00:18:23.230 --> 00:18:26.309 results. So you know, keep that in your mind, guys, as 262 00:18:26.390 --> 00:18:30.140 we're going through this. We're not we're in no way invalidating, you know, 263 00:18:30.940 --> 00:18:34.380 other ministries or men women to God in the past or whatever who didn't 264 00:18:34.420 --> 00:18:40.579 have certain fruit. But we do see in the Bible this counting of numbers 265 00:18:40.619 --> 00:18:44.569 and this keeping tracks, keeping track of fruit and that sort of thing, 266 00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:47.930 and we're going to talk right now that. Why would you do that? 267 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:49.650 What are some of the biblical reasons to do this and what are some of 268 00:18:49.690 --> 00:18:52.930 the results of the yeah, and I don't want a gloss over, though. 269 00:18:53.089 --> 00:18:57.400 I think a really important point you just made that I want to repeat 270 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:04.119 because I think it is important. Numbers can be damaging to a ministry if 271 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:10.990 they discourage you if you're being faithful, and this does happen in many menistries 272 00:19:11.150 --> 00:19:15.109 in all areas, not just pro life, where you are being faithful and 273 00:19:15.230 --> 00:19:21.869 people still die and people still don't turn to the Lord or whatever, your 274 00:19:21.950 --> 00:19:27.460 focus of your ministry is not, apparently, ever obtained. Yeah, so 275 00:19:27.779 --> 00:19:33.619 in that case, to look at numbers can harm the ministry. Yeah, 276 00:19:33.779 --> 00:19:37.299 so it is a danger. I think there is an honest danger. Yeah, 277 00:19:37.299 --> 00:19:41.450 there is with with numbers. Yeah, and ultimately, like the point 278 00:19:41.490 --> 00:19:44.849 I made, is it bows down to obedience to God. Like you don't 279 00:19:44.970 --> 00:19:48.569 need to see numbers if you have direct command from the Lord like, for 280 00:19:48.690 --> 00:19:52.279 example, given a voice to the unborn. Yeah, if we never saw 281 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:57.039 and I would hope, by God's grace, that I would still be faithful 282 00:19:57.079 --> 00:20:00.160 to the Lord's call out there on that sidewalk, I believe that I would. 283 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.559 Yeah, even if we never saw baby saved, and we've had days 284 00:20:04.839 --> 00:20:07.789 we have been baby safe and there's not got. It's harder, it is 285 00:20:07.869 --> 00:20:12.230 harder, it is harder. Yeah, but yet still we are going to 286 00:20:12.309 --> 00:20:15.589 be obedient to the Lord and we're still called to be obedient, whether we 287 00:20:15.710 --> 00:20:19.269 see the results or not. Yeah, however, our would say, and 288 00:20:19.390 --> 00:20:25.140 this is not meant to discourage anyone at all, but just as a practical 289 00:20:25.539 --> 00:20:30.859 and I think even biblical call in the Bible commands US continually to examine ourselves. 290 00:20:30.900 --> 00:20:37.009 Yeah, and I we're involved in a ministry and we're never seeing positive 291 00:20:37.049 --> 00:20:41.289 fruit from that ministry. It does not invalidate that ministry, but it should 292 00:20:41.369 --> 00:20:44.130 cause us to make an assessment and it should cause us, you know, 293 00:20:44.170 --> 00:20:47.970 if we're involved, if you're involved on the sidewalks at an abortion clinic and 294 00:20:48.089 --> 00:20:51.920 you're seeing massive amounts to people going into that abortion clinic and you're never seeing 295 00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:55.559 any result, you're never seeing anyone tell you that they chose life or come 296 00:20:55.559 --> 00:20:57.799 out and talk with you and have a conversation, then I think you do 297 00:20:59.039 --> 00:21:03.119 need to validate, or not validate, but at least Sam examine what you're 298 00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:07.109 doing. Is what I'm doing biblical? Right? Is What I'm doing? 299 00:21:07.470 --> 00:21:12.829 Is that are the things that I'm saying biblical? And maybe evaluate that with 300 00:21:14.029 --> 00:21:15.630 some other brothers and sisters and you'll go to your pastor and say, Hey, 301 00:21:15.630 --> 00:21:18.299 here, I want you to come out with me one day and just 302 00:21:18.460 --> 00:21:22.980 see if what I'm doing, if it's honoring the Lord, if I'm ineffective 303 00:21:23.019 --> 00:21:29.180 in some for some reason. Now I would say this or my experience that 304 00:21:29.900 --> 00:21:33.089 people, you know it's you know got people on social media that I'm connected 305 00:21:33.089 --> 00:21:36.730 with. It do ministry all over the country and you know, maybe there 306 00:21:36.730 --> 00:21:38.329 are some of the more effective than than others. I don't know. I'm 307 00:21:38.329 --> 00:21:41.329 not writing numbers down engaging all of that, but from the most part what 308 00:21:41.410 --> 00:21:45.089 I'm seeing is people are seeing baby saved. They're out there and God is 309 00:21:45.130 --> 00:21:48.599 honoring what they're doing with babies being saved and there can you know, people 310 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.640 might look here in Charlotte and say, Oh, you guys, you know 311 00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:56.079 you're seeing baby saved every day, and we are mostly, seem asually every 312 00:21:56.079 --> 00:21:57.720 day. Yeah, and and we praise God for that. Again, we 313 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:02.869 know it's God's doing, giving him a glory to him exactly doing that work. 314 00:22:02.990 --> 00:22:06.829 Yeah, but also, you know, they're like the HEBROWN abortion clinic. 315 00:22:06.869 --> 00:22:08.349 That's that's, you know, twenty minutes down the street from where we're 316 00:22:08.390 --> 00:22:12.190 at. Yeah, there's not a lot of interactions and stuff that takes place 317 00:22:12.309 --> 00:22:15.660 there. There's some difficulties, are some hurdles that are there that are hard 318 00:22:15.700 --> 00:22:18.099 to navigate through and a lot of people come over and talk. We do 319 00:22:18.220 --> 00:22:22.579 see baby saved there, yeah, from time to time. But you know, 320 00:22:22.019 --> 00:22:25.779 there's a sort of a ratio thing to. You know, here on 321 00:22:25.859 --> 00:22:30.809 latrobe drive they're doing you thirty abortions every day on average at least, you 322 00:22:30.930 --> 00:22:33.450 know, and there's some days where they do fifty. Right you know, 323 00:22:33.529 --> 00:22:37.730 the Hebron abortion clinic their numbers might be ten at the most. So that's 324 00:22:37.009 --> 00:22:41.369 a difference to that's that's sort of a practical thing I did want to mention, 325 00:22:41.250 --> 00:22:47.759 but also in again the practical point of examining things, because there are 326 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.799 ways that I've seen people do ministry in front of an abortion clinic that they 327 00:22:51.880 --> 00:22:56.359 might be, I guess, obedient to God. They're got out there saying 328 00:22:56.359 --> 00:22:57.950 abortion is murder, and I'm not saying you shouldn't. You should say abortion 329 00:22:59.069 --> 00:23:00.430 is murder, I get it. But there are those who are going out 330 00:23:00.430 --> 00:23:04.869 there with just, I don't know, maybe, and maybe I'm just viewing 331 00:23:04.910 --> 00:23:10.670 it from the outside looking in, with an angry spirit and angry at abortion, 332 00:23:10.789 --> 00:23:14.140 and we should be. It's terrible. But when you come across and 333 00:23:14.180 --> 00:23:17.140 you're on the sidewalk with an angry spirit, don't be surprised if people don't 334 00:23:17.180 --> 00:23:18.819 come over and talk to you. Exact and I guarantee this, though, 335 00:23:18.940 --> 00:23:22.099 even you know if you're if you're proclaiming the truth of God's word. There 336 00:23:22.140 --> 00:23:26.779 are probably babies that are being saved and they're just not stopping and telling you 337 00:23:26.900 --> 00:23:29.009 may never know. Yeah, you may never know. Yeah, and maybe 338 00:23:29.049 --> 00:23:30.170 you're content with that. Yeah, you know, I don't know right every 339 00:23:30.210 --> 00:23:34.410 yeah, all I'm doing is just throwing some practical things out there and I 340 00:23:34.529 --> 00:23:40.130 think by the end of this podcast, hopefully you guys who are doing ministry 341 00:23:40.569 --> 00:23:44.039 in on the sidewalks and doing ministry and a pregnancy center, if you're not 342 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:47.799 keeping tracking numbers, hopefully by the end of this podcast you'll see a good 343 00:23:47.839 --> 00:23:51.359 reason to do that. Yeah, and and you'll begin to do that and 344 00:23:51.440 --> 00:23:53.920 give glory to God for those numbers. Yeah. So as I was going 345 00:23:55.039 --> 00:23:56.470 through, as I would, I've been reading through the book of Numbers, 346 00:23:56.509 --> 00:24:03.109 which is divine appointment, I think, because it it's right during the discussion 347 00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:07.230 of this topic. But I was thinking there were four purposes that I thought 348 00:24:07.349 --> 00:24:14.299 became apparent to me for why numbers do matter both to God and to us. 349 00:24:14.539 --> 00:24:18.500 And so I'm going to tell you those four purposes that I came up 350 00:24:18.619 --> 00:24:21.539 you may have others. Yeah, I'll refute all of those, probably, 351 00:24:21.940 --> 00:24:26.289 probably, and and then I'll give scripture to support it, because you may 352 00:24:26.329 --> 00:24:29.250 be able to refute me, but scripture if you yeah, you're right. 353 00:24:29.609 --> 00:24:33.529 Okay, so the purpose number one, and I think we would all agree 354 00:24:33.569 --> 00:24:37.680 with this one, honestly even. Yeah, numbers encourage God's people. Yeah, 355 00:24:37.759 --> 00:24:42.079 if they're big, if they're small, maybe not. Somewhere that FIVEZERO 356 00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:48.240 number baby saved. That was an enormous encouragement to me. I got the 357 00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.680 text the day that the five thou baby was saved and it's you know it. 358 00:24:52.349 --> 00:24:57.309 Every baby matters, every single life is precious beyond belief. But the 359 00:24:57.470 --> 00:25:03.630 sheer number that five thousand babies are saved in a place where most people will 360 00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:08.420 think no decisions for life are ever going to be made. Yeah, that's 361 00:25:08.460 --> 00:25:14.059 an amazing encouragement. Yeah, to those of us who labor in the pro 362 00:25:14.220 --> 00:25:18.859 life area. Yeah, so here's here's a verse that I think supports that 363 00:25:18.900 --> 00:25:22.970 that numbers can encourage God's people. Okay, it's first kings. One thousand, 364 00:25:23.009 --> 00:25:26.809 nine hundred and eighteen is one of my favorite books in the Bible and 365 00:25:26.890 --> 00:25:30.250 one of my favorite chapters, by the way. I love this chapter. 366 00:25:32.289 --> 00:25:37.759 So this versus. Yet I have reserved seven thousand in Israel, all whose 367 00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:44.039 knees have not bowed to bail and every mouth that has not kissed him. 368 00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:45.160 Yeah, so do you want to give the background of that? You know 369 00:25:45.240 --> 00:25:49.029 that that was this is the passage with Elijah right and the side all of 370 00:25:49.109 --> 00:25:55.390 yeah, and and the worshippers of bail and Elijah has what some folks call 371 00:25:55.470 --> 00:25:59.670 the Elijah mentality based on this passage. I'm the only one. My God, 372 00:25:59.710 --> 00:26:03.190 where's where's all your people? Everyone is departed from from you and I'm 373 00:26:03.190 --> 00:26:06.940 the only person that's righteous. Yeah, and you know, I've seen that 374 00:26:07.539 --> 00:26:11.940 is from people own social media on Facebook, who are doing ministry at Abortion 375 00:26:12.059 --> 00:26:15.140 class and I where's everyone? Where's the church at? And I get you 376 00:26:15.220 --> 00:26:18.410 know, four years you know, I was out in front of Latrobe here 377 00:26:18.490 --> 00:26:22.210 and others, but just a handful of people, and there's like one, 378 00:26:22.210 --> 00:26:26.849 thousanree hundred churches in the Greater Charlotte area and we wondered where's all these churches? 379 00:26:26.890 --> 00:26:30.250 There millions of Christians around in this area, right, hundreds of thousands 380 00:26:30.250 --> 00:26:33.799 of Christians. I don't know about millions, but like, where are they 381 00:26:33.839 --> 00:26:37.000 at? And it can be discouraging and I get that. And we can 382 00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:38.880 have the Elijah mentality. You know, I'm the only one. I'm no 383 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:44.319 one person in the you know, Charlotte area that cares about the unborn and 384 00:26:44.599 --> 00:26:48.509 you know God. This is sort of a rebuke actually to Elijah. This 385 00:26:48.589 --> 00:26:52.109 is not just an encouragement, this is a rebuke. Now, hopefully, 386 00:26:53.309 --> 00:26:59.349 and I think in one since Elijah did take this as an encouragement. But 387 00:26:59.470 --> 00:27:02.740 and so hopefully it was an encouragement to him. But again it was also 388 00:27:02.779 --> 00:27:07.140 a rebuke. There you're not the only person that standing for righteousness. You're 389 00:27:07.140 --> 00:27:08.940 not the only person that's doing what is right in the side of God. 390 00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:14.980 He has other people right that has that have dedicated themselves to him and not 391 00:27:15.140 --> 00:27:17.730 bow their knee to to the eye. That's right. And he named it. 392 00:27:17.970 --> 00:27:19.730 He named the number and it was any able number. gave him a 393 00:27:19.730 --> 00:27:25.609 number. Seven have seven thousand right, and so I think Elisha was encouraged. 394 00:27:25.650 --> 00:27:30.799 He knew he was he was not alone. And and those seven thousand, 395 00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:40.319 I think of those also as the fruit of of ministry, because those 396 00:27:40.400 --> 00:27:45.950 seven thousand probably had parents, other people telling them about the one true God, 397 00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:49.509 and they obviously are following the one true God, or God wouldn't have 398 00:27:49.549 --> 00:27:53.470 mentioned them. So they are both an encouragement as fellow warriors, but I 399 00:27:53.549 --> 00:27:57.069 think we could also look to them as an encouragement of the fruit, yeah, 400 00:27:57.150 --> 00:28:02.299 of of other faithful people, of some of those, you know, 401 00:28:03.099 --> 00:28:06.859 could be fruit of Elijah's ministry as the profit of Israel, very much like 402 00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:10.299 they had heard Elijah and preach. Maybe. Yeah, they'd have heard heard 403 00:28:10.339 --> 00:28:14.089 of some of Elijah's prophecy. Yeah, yeah, and they were the fruit 404 00:28:14.130 --> 00:28:17.690 of his ministry. Quite possible. Right. One of the reasons I love 405 00:28:17.809 --> 00:28:22.009 this passage so much and that chapter so much as Elishah had just had this 406 00:28:22.089 --> 00:28:26.200 enormous victory when he says that he had had a huge victory over the prophets 407 00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:33.960 of Baal and and the immediate response to that huge victory was discouragement. Yeah, 408 00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:37.680 and I think and and and that's discouragement, I believe, comes from 409 00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:41.829 Satan, to to discourage him and all of us in history to no longer 410 00:28:41.910 --> 00:28:47.349 continue in ministry. So, by God, naming this large number it, 411 00:28:47.710 --> 00:28:53.390 it reminded him that that be encouraged. You being you know, there are 412 00:28:53.470 --> 00:28:57.819 others and there is fruit. Yeah, if your minish know locally, one 413 00:28:57.859 --> 00:29:03.700 of the encouragements for US months months ago, we first started this podcast I 414 00:29:03.779 --> 00:29:07.180 did an interview with Justin reader, who started love life right and we've talked 415 00:29:07.220 --> 00:29:10.289 about them often times on the podcast. In those guys, you know, 416 00:29:10.369 --> 00:29:12.769 their first year and doing the prayer walks in front of the abortion clinic. 417 00:29:14.210 --> 00:29:15.890 When they did their final prayer walk of the year, I think was two. 418 00:29:15.930 --> 00:29:19.690 It was two thousand and sixteen. I remember coming up on that stage 419 00:29:21.170 --> 00:29:26.359 and looking across that crowd of four thousand people and just being overwhelmed, you 420 00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.759 know, haven't been out there in front of the Latroux for for so long 421 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.599 and wondering where is the church? It was like that was God's answer. 422 00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:37.630 Here they all. We have thousands of people and could there be more? 423 00:29:38.190 --> 00:29:44.269 Sure, you know, there could be more, but I could be encouraged 424 00:29:44.309 --> 00:29:45.549 by that number. I can be discouraged. I couldn't you know. It's 425 00:29:45.630 --> 00:29:51.029 like, you know, like like the Christian the grave is never satisfied. 426 00:29:51.109 --> 00:29:53.500 You know, like some Christians, this will never be satisfied with, you 427 00:29:53.660 --> 00:29:56.259 know, with what God's doing. And I, you know, I'm just 428 00:29:56.339 --> 00:30:00.019 thankful that God's doing that. So and that was a great encouragement to me. 429 00:30:00.140 --> 00:30:03.220 It was a great encouragement to you. Yeah, and and so you 430 00:30:03.380 --> 00:30:07.250 numbers can be a great encourage rights, and I think God designs it that 431 00:30:07.329 --> 00:30:11.130 way. Yeah, I'd there have been many, many days this happened, 432 00:30:11.250 --> 00:30:15.529 just it actually happened today, where we knew that there had been baby saved, 433 00:30:15.609 --> 00:30:18.450 but they were not confirmed. We knew from other clues. Yeah, 434 00:30:18.529 --> 00:30:22.079 but then right as we're getting ready to leave, so I'd been out there 435 00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:26.480 over four hours, it was cold. Yeah, kind of a bitter Coldie, 436 00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:32.160 they know, and considering like the weather was not was not calling for 437 00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.599 it to be that. God, no, it wasn't. But I was 438 00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:38.309 shivering, all of us were, and at like one o'clock a mom pulled 439 00:30:38.349 --> 00:30:44.990 out of the the driveway and the abortionist had already arrived and she told us 440 00:30:45.390 --> 00:30:52.259 she chose life and that that that was one verified baby that was saved and 441 00:30:52.420 --> 00:30:56.180 and we all just started dancing and being for joy and the cold didn't matter. 442 00:30:56.380 --> 00:31:00.819 So, you know, just just being able to count one that we 443 00:31:00.900 --> 00:31:07.930 knew for certain was was an encouragement. Yeah, okay, so purpose number 444 00:31:07.970 --> 00:31:11.210 two. Purpose number two, this is the one you'll probably have the greatest 445 00:31:11.210 --> 00:31:15.450 argument about. I'll have a problem with this one. Yeah, okay, 446 00:31:15.529 --> 00:31:18.279 okay, probably cut for my wording, but it was the best I could 447 00:31:18.279 --> 00:31:26.119 do. Okay, okay. Numbers Validate Ministry for raising support. Okay, 448 00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.400 okay. And here's here's the verse that I threw in with that. It's 449 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:34.589 front. Well, some verses acts to verses, forty one to forty seven. 450 00:31:36.710 --> 00:31:40.470 So those who received his word were baptized and they were added that day 451 00:31:40.509 --> 00:31:45.390 about three thousand souls, and they devoted themselves to the apostles teaching and the 452 00:31:45.509 --> 00:31:49.940 fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers, and awe came upon 453 00:31:51.180 --> 00:31:55.819 every soul and many wonders and signs were being done through the apostles, and 454 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:00.019 all who believed were together and had all things in common, and they were 455 00:32:00.059 --> 00:32:05.849 selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had 456 00:32:05.970 --> 00:32:09.369 need. And Day by day, attending the temple together and breaking bread in 457 00:32:09.410 --> 00:32:15.009 their homes, they received their food with glad and generous hearts, praising God 458 00:32:15.289 --> 00:32:19.559 and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to their number 459 00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:24.720 day by day those who were being saved. So this is God. They 460 00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:30.470 counted the number of soul saved, they must have, because they knew they 461 00:32:30.470 --> 00:32:32.829 were about three Tho. Yeah, the Lord added to their number. He 462 00:32:32.950 --> 00:32:37.990 was clearly pleased by that. But it's spurred them on. All these people 463 00:32:37.150 --> 00:32:43.950 being saved. I think we could make the argument that they were selling their 464 00:32:43.990 --> 00:32:47.819 possessions and distributing the proceeds to all, to everyone who had need their coming 465 00:32:47.900 --> 00:32:54.140 together and eating together and breaking bread together as part of well, there's all 466 00:32:54.259 --> 00:33:00.329 these people that have that are the fruit of our work and now we need 467 00:33:00.410 --> 00:33:07.170 to minister to them. So it helps to spur more efforts at ministry seeing 468 00:33:07.289 --> 00:33:10.490 all this fruit. That's my take on it. Yeah, well, it's 469 00:33:10.609 --> 00:33:14.680 not a bad take. You know, I would have a problem with the 470 00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.240 idea of numbers validating manistry for the same reason I mentioned earlier. You know, 471 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:22.640 it's God that validates ministry. And how does God validate ministry? Well, 472 00:33:22.880 --> 00:33:25.440 ministry needs to be based on his word. That's right. And so 473 00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:29.950 if ministry, if a ministry, is not based on his word, that 474 00:33:30.069 --> 00:33:35.910 ministry is invalidated immediately. Right. So there's a ministry per life or whatever, 475 00:33:36.190 --> 00:33:39.029 ministry, Missionary Ministry, whatever, that's not validated by God's word. 476 00:33:39.069 --> 00:33:44.700 Like they're doing things that are completely unbiblical in a framework this completely unbiblical, 477 00:33:45.339 --> 00:33:49.460 then they've invalidated themselves. I don't care what their fruit is. That's yeah. 478 00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:52.220 I want to know is what you're doing in line with the word of 479 00:33:52.259 --> 00:33:55.369 God. Can you show me scripture that backs up what you're doing and why 480 00:33:55.410 --> 00:33:59.490 you're doing what you're doing? If you can't, then in my mind you've 481 00:33:59.529 --> 00:34:05.049 invalidated yourself and God's not validated. Yeah, so in that sense I'll say 482 00:34:05.170 --> 00:34:10.159 it's not the numbers that validate, it's God that validates. But I will 483 00:34:10.159 --> 00:34:13.719 say, because you know, you put in there and raising support and you're 484 00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:17.119 unstum about financial support. You know we're talking about people actually, you know, 485 00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:22.039 talking about the ministry verbally, that support, that's encouraging other people to 486 00:34:22.039 --> 00:34:28.110 be involved and that sort of thing may be particularly about financial support. I 487 00:34:28.190 --> 00:34:30.630 mean, you know, if I'm looking this is something I mentioned before we 488 00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:35.070 even started the podcast here, is that you know, if I'm looking at 489 00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:39.019 the say too missionary groups, let's say they're a missionary organizations and there's two 490 00:34:39.019 --> 00:34:44.659 of them and they're both missionary organizations in India, and both of those missionary 491 00:34:44.699 --> 00:34:46.460 organizations, I look at their statement of faith, I look at their framework 492 00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:51.539 of ministry and it looks thoroughly Biblical in both ends, right, but one's 493 00:34:51.579 --> 00:34:57.130 more effective and establishing churches and and seeing people converted and seeing people discipled. 494 00:34:57.650 --> 00:35:00.369 Yeah, and I've got money and I've got a burden for India. Yeah, 495 00:35:01.050 --> 00:35:05.889 I'M gonna probably give money to the to the one that's more effect right. 496 00:35:06.130 --> 00:35:10.079 Right, there's the both are doing biblical work, both are validated biblically, 497 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:15.679 but one's more effective. Once you know producing, you know and I 498 00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:19.440 can verify those numbers are true or whatever. Yeah, then I'm going to 499 00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:22.869 give money to the more effective group. Yeah, almost be unwise to unless 500 00:35:23.269 --> 00:35:25.989 you know explicitly the Holy Spirit put it in a hard to give to the 501 00:35:27.070 --> 00:35:29.989 other, the other ministry. Right, I'm going to give to the more 502 00:35:29.989 --> 00:35:32.909 effective ministry. Yeah. Well, something even in terms of giving to ministries, 503 00:35:32.949 --> 00:35:37.059 where numbers can help is I will look through. Well, does this 504 00:35:37.340 --> 00:35:45.019 ministry, what percentage of this ministry goes to the actual whatever the ministry is? 505 00:35:45.380 --> 00:35:49.659 Yeah, WHAT GOES TO ADMINISTRATION? WHAT GOES TO SUPPLIES? What goes 506 00:35:49.860 --> 00:35:53.889 to lavish vacations for your yeah, exactly, your CEO, you know, 507 00:35:54.090 --> 00:35:58.809 and those numbers help you to make wise decisions on what is the best use 508 00:35:58.929 --> 00:36:02.730 of limited resources. And I think that's true of our volunteers or any any 509 00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:08.840 person thinking who am I going to volunteer with? Yeah, I think sometimes 510 00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:15.719 knowing that the effectiveness helps people to determine I will go in volunteer with them. 511 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.349 I know that was what happened with me. I I and I know 512 00:36:20.429 --> 00:36:22.869 I've said this before on the PODCAST, I didn't know that that a single 513 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:28.989 person ever came to an abortion center undecided right, actually chose life. And 514 00:36:29.110 --> 00:36:32.579 so I was shocked when I started reading the numbers and it was the numbers 515 00:36:32.900 --> 00:36:37.780 of the baby saved every day that was being reported on facebook by Lisa Mets 516 00:36:37.860 --> 00:36:45.659 Gir and, and that to me, may I became very interested because it 517 00:36:45.260 --> 00:36:51.809 was clearly a ministry that was producing fruit in the only way I knew how 518 00:36:51.929 --> 00:36:57.570 to count. The fruit of a pro life ministry were babies being saved. 519 00:36:57.650 --> 00:37:01.119 Yeah, yeah, so, so that's that's what we mean, or what 520 00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:07.360 I meant saying numbers validate ministry for Racing Support. I think it helps us 521 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:12.079 to it's not the only validation. It's not even really a validation of the 522 00:37:12.119 --> 00:37:14.880 primary valid right. Sure, right, I'm thinking one sense. Yeah, 523 00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:16.269 you could say it is. It is a validation. Yeah, sure, 524 00:37:16.389 --> 00:37:21.269 but it helps give wisdom, yeah, to those who are seeking what what 525 00:37:21.469 --> 00:37:24.030 ministry to support financially or with their time. And, yeah, volunteer. 526 00:37:24.110 --> 00:37:28.150 And you know, of course, this is act chapter two. This is 527 00:37:28.190 --> 00:37:30.500 right after Peter. You know, the Holy Spirit fell the day of Pentecost 528 00:37:30.539 --> 00:37:34.739 and Peter gets up and preach is one of the most powerful sermons ever preached. 529 00:37:35.300 --> 00:37:37.380 It wasn't a secret, friendly service, now, it wasn't. He 530 00:37:37.619 --> 00:37:43.059 wasn't tickling the People's ears. He basically laid the crucifixion of Jesus Christ on 531 00:37:43.139 --> 00:37:45.170 the people and said this Christ him, you crucified. God has made both 532 00:37:45.289 --> 00:37:49.690 Lord and Christ. And so it says. They were cut to the heart. 533 00:37:49.690 --> 00:37:52.530 Yeah, and they were convicted of their sin. They whatss we do 534 00:37:52.889 --> 00:37:54.849 to be saved? He doesn't, you know, he didn't say. Well, 535 00:37:55.010 --> 00:37:58.489 just repeat after me. And you know, he really gets down to 536 00:37:58.599 --> 00:38:00.320 it. Be Baptized. This Jesus that you guys crucified. You need to 537 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:05.159 be baptizing his name right now. Yeah, and look at how many we're 538 00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.679 saying. Yes, three feels at three thousand. So so it's like, 539 00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:12.079 brother Peter, you had a mega church at that time. And then look 540 00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:15.510 at Peter. If it at least me. I then look at that and 541 00:38:15.590 --> 00:38:20.150 I look at Peter and I look at what did he do or what did 542 00:38:20.230 --> 00:38:24.309 he have out? What did the Holy Spirit encourage out of him? Because 543 00:38:24.309 --> 00:38:29.739 I want that, I'm going to if my desire is to bring people to 544 00:38:29.780 --> 00:38:31.820 the Lord, I'm going to look at the person that brings a lot of 545 00:38:31.940 --> 00:38:36.900 people to the Lord. That may or may not be necessarily always true. 546 00:38:36.940 --> 00:38:39.619 There may be like Jeremiah, the prophet, Jeremiah who but he was called 547 00:38:39.659 --> 00:38:44.809 the weeping Prophet. He did not have a happy life. He was sad, 548 00:38:45.369 --> 00:38:47.530 it was he was very discouraged, but he was he was but he 549 00:38:47.650 --> 00:38:51.530 happy in the Lord and faithful in the Lord. He was faithful. You 550 00:38:51.610 --> 00:38:53.210 know, I'd say. You know, if you look at the population of 551 00:38:53.289 --> 00:38:57.719 Jerusalem at this time, and me talked about he said earlier you Peter had 552 00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.840 a mega church. You know. Yeah, I've heard people disparage mega churches 553 00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:04.920 and I understand there's a lot of goofiness and megachurches may not be the most 554 00:39:04.920 --> 00:39:08.480 biblical model, but I've sort of, I guess, tongue in cheek, 555 00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:10.869 mentions. You know, book of acts had to do. There was a 556 00:39:10.909 --> 00:39:14.789 mega church because you look at the population of DRUSOM. You know, it 557 00:39:14.829 --> 00:39:17.389 couldn't have been more. I read some estimates that were there were Twentyzero people. 558 00:39:17.630 --> 00:39:21.230 I think that's way low. I don't think that's the case. And 559 00:39:21.389 --> 00:39:24.900 some folks say they're up to two hundredzero people in Jerusalem around that time, 560 00:39:25.219 --> 00:39:29.699 around the time of the apostles or whatever. Either way, with a two 561 00:39:29.699 --> 00:39:31.539 hundred thousand or you know, if it's Twentyzero people, he had more than 562 00:39:31.579 --> 00:39:35.699 ten percent of the population turn into the Lord. Yeah, you know, 563 00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:39.730 I would say the more accurate numbers probably around I don't know, a hundred 564 00:39:39.809 --> 00:39:44.050 thousand or so people lived in drew some of course they were others who visited 565 00:39:44.090 --> 00:39:47.610 druism whatever. Either way, in comparison, yeah, I mean he probably 566 00:39:47.769 --> 00:39:52.690 that. You know, the comparison maybe ratio today. Threezero people in that 567 00:39:52.690 --> 00:39:57.360 day would be more like twentyzero today. As far as having people together worshiping 568 00:39:57.440 --> 00:40:01.639 the Lord. Yeah, either way, massive fruit was born from this message 569 00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.920 that Peter Preach and of course it was because he was empowered by the holy 570 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:08.230 spirits. If you want anything, you you want to know anything, we 571 00:40:08.389 --> 00:40:12.630 would peter do. You know. How did he do this? When him 572 00:40:12.989 --> 00:40:15.230 right? It's like what we said in the beginning. Yeah, it was 573 00:40:15.269 --> 00:40:16.869 a Holy Spirit in here, the spirit of God. So you want to 574 00:40:16.949 --> 00:40:20.670 know how to be effective, like Peter? Yeah, Surendo yourself to the 575 00:40:20.710 --> 00:40:22.900 Holy Spirit, right, get to know God more through his word and find 576 00:40:22.940 --> 00:40:27.300 out what he what he requires the view, and just bow your hard to 577 00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:30.340 him. And Lord, make me like Jesus. That's what Peter. That's 578 00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:31.980 right, mentality here, right, like Jesus. Yet, Peter, and 579 00:40:32.059 --> 00:40:36.849 the evidence of that in this case clearly was there was. Yeah, normous 580 00:40:37.250 --> 00:40:40.369 fruit have and it was counted. Yeah, so it was first. Didn't 581 00:40:40.369 --> 00:40:45.050 matter in that case. They yeah, okay. Purpose number three. I 582 00:40:45.170 --> 00:40:50.760 think this is very true and very important. Numbers shock us out of complacence. 583 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:55.679 Yeah, and here I'm specifically talking about the number of abortions. Yeah, 584 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.880 and this is sort of maybe in one sense, we've talked about the 585 00:40:59.920 --> 00:41:02.639 positive side, the numbers that were saved, and those numbers can encourage people 586 00:41:02.719 --> 00:41:07.590 and all that. But then again, the number you mentioned here, the 587 00:41:07.630 --> 00:41:09.909 number of lives that were lost. Yeah, what is it? Sixty five 588 00:41:09.949 --> 00:41:14.349 million? Yes, what's they astimates? The estimate? Yeah, sixty five 589 00:41:14.510 --> 00:41:17.469 million. That's just numbers that we've been able to track. I mean and 590 00:41:17.579 --> 00:41:22.179 a lot of states don't report. So they don't report. Probably some Mundy, 591 00:41:22.300 --> 00:41:27.460 I'm sure, under report. So and of course you got to look 592 00:41:27.460 --> 00:41:30.940 at the potential of abortions that have happened with you know, maybe this is 593 00:41:30.980 --> 00:41:34.250 a subjective definitely a subject for another time, but birth control in the morning 594 00:41:34.289 --> 00:41:37.329 after peel and like that. Yeah, it's probably much higher than that. 595 00:41:37.570 --> 00:41:44.170 Probably the number that we have, sixty five million plus Ye, should be 596 00:41:44.250 --> 00:41:49.519 a number that that shakes us out of our complacence. It should. And 597 00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:53.880 I've got again another one of my favorite passages in scriptures as support for this. 598 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.119 This is from the book of Jonah. Jonah for to eleven. But 599 00:41:59.280 --> 00:42:02.190 God said to Jonah, do you do well to be angry for the plant, 600 00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:06.829 and he said yes, I do well to be angry, angry enough 601 00:42:06.829 --> 00:42:09.869 to die. And the Lord said, you pity the plant, for which 602 00:42:09.909 --> 00:42:14.829 you did not Labor, nor did you make it grow, which came into 603 00:42:14.869 --> 00:42:17.659 being in a night and perished in a night. And should not I pity 604 00:42:17.739 --> 00:42:22.260 Nineveh, that great city in which there are more than a hundred twenty thousand 605 00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:29.099 persons who do not know their right hand from their left, and also much 606 00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:32.090 cattle. Yeah, so the Lord is laying a number on Jonah here and 607 00:42:32.369 --> 00:42:37.409 saying this number, I mean I'm grieve. You grieved over this plant. 608 00:42:37.690 --> 00:42:40.170 I'm grieved over these lost people who don't know they're right hand from their left 609 00:42:40.250 --> 00:42:44.320 hand, I don't know what, from down who God had sent Jonah. 610 00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:47.400 Yeah, absolutely, said share the truth of the one true God with and 611 00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:52.559 and initially he refused. Yeah, and now he's complaining about this one plant 612 00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:55.199 that was had grown up as shade and God, God, took that away 613 00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.030 to make a very significant point about there's a lot of people, yeah, 614 00:43:00.070 --> 00:43:05.030 that need that, need me. Yeah, and and your concern is over 615 00:43:05.150 --> 00:43:08.789 your shade, yeah, instead of those hundred Twentyzero people that will perish forever 616 00:43:08.989 --> 00:43:12.829 for all. And he gives you, gives a number, a large number, 617 00:43:13.019 --> 00:43:16.019 of course, and that day, you know, hundred and Twentyzero people 618 00:43:16.420 --> 00:43:21.179 in one city. Yeah, and God's grieved over that. And, yeah, 619 00:43:21.219 --> 00:43:24.500 numbers matter to him. Yes, sense. Yeah, and and Jonah 620 00:43:24.980 --> 00:43:30.409 presumably had become complacent to the fate of what we know he did. He 621 00:43:30.969 --> 00:43:34.769 refused it first, to to share the truth of God with those people, 622 00:43:34.809 --> 00:43:38.489 as he he'd been commanded. So God kind of shocks Jonah out of his 623 00:43:38.610 --> 00:43:43.079 self pity and complacency. We you know, one of the things that in 624 00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:45.920 history that we use, and we're talking about something like the Holocaust, right, 625 00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.880 the sheer numbers of people. Yeah, it's not that every life, 626 00:43:50.880 --> 00:43:54.000 every individual life, doesn't matter. They do. Every life does matter, 627 00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:57.829 but when you talk about the sheer numbers of people that were dealed in the 628 00:43:57.869 --> 00:44:00.510 Holocaust or, you know, you look at a communism, how many people 629 00:44:00.550 --> 00:44:05.869 in the twenty central been killed under it's like a hundred million people have been 630 00:44:05.909 --> 00:44:12.940 murdered under communism in just recent history. Yeah, those numbers are staggering and 631 00:44:13.059 --> 00:44:15.940 should be staggering and they should shake us out of any kind of complacency, 632 00:44:16.539 --> 00:44:21.699 as it pertains what we're trying to allow in this country. Yeah, with 633 00:44:22.420 --> 00:44:25.570 socialism, which is just the gateway to communism. This is not a political 634 00:44:25.610 --> 00:44:30.489 podcast, but just that. Guess where you stand? Yeah, because we're 635 00:44:30.489 --> 00:44:34.730 a stand on this stand on communism. Back it's killed one hundred twenty million 636 00:44:34.889 --> 00:44:37.809 people and we want to touch that thing. We don't want to be anywhere 637 00:44:37.849 --> 00:44:43.559 near what communism is. Yeah, yeah, but numbers shock us and they 638 00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:49.360 should shock. Those large numbers. Here's purpose number four. Okay, numbers 639 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.789 mobilized warriors for the battle. Okay, so second chronicles, th seven eight 640 00:44:53.949 --> 00:44:59.469 is the scripture that I pulled out for that one. Be Strong and courageous, 641 00:44:59.909 --> 00:45:02.150 do not be afraid or dismayed. Be for the King of Assyria and 642 00:45:02.190 --> 00:45:07.619 all the horde that is with him, in other words, a lot of 643 00:45:07.699 --> 00:45:13.619 people. Be for there are more with us than with him. With him 644 00:45:14.139 --> 00:45:16.699 is an arm of flesh, but with us is the Lord, our God, 645 00:45:16.940 --> 00:45:21.929 to help us and to fight our battles. And the people took confidence 646 00:45:21.969 --> 00:45:27.969 from the words of Hezekiah, King of Judah. Yeah, so the culture 647 00:45:28.010 --> 00:45:34.610 of death to US seems to have hordes of supporters. Yeah, right, 648 00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:37.760 we if you look at, you know, media, it seems the media 649 00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:45.480 support for the large part is pro abortion. Every single every single contender for 650 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.349 the presidency on the Democratic side is, as you know, for abortion. 651 00:45:51.429 --> 00:45:53.989 Yeah, and then it seems, you know, just looking out across the 652 00:45:54.070 --> 00:46:00.190 landscape of of our country, if you really get down to the nitty gridy 653 00:46:00.230 --> 00:46:05.539 of and ask people about abortion, yeah, you're going to get, for 654 00:46:05.619 --> 00:46:08.300 the majority of people, at least some acceptance. You have the idea that 655 00:46:08.380 --> 00:46:12.500 it's okay to murder child right inside the whom? Right and that can be 656 00:46:13.019 --> 00:46:17.219 that can be discouraging. Right on the flip side, though, when you 657 00:46:17.340 --> 00:46:21.449 start to see, in like I mentioned earlier, when you start to see 658 00:46:21.570 --> 00:46:23.210 thousands of Christians coming out and pray and when you start to see, you 659 00:46:23.329 --> 00:46:28.369 know, the sidewalks and more and more people getting a burden to come out 660 00:46:28.409 --> 00:46:32.159 on the sidewalk and be involved in ministry in that context, especially considering American 661 00:46:32.199 --> 00:46:36.199 Christianity and how we've been taught that, you know, it's all about our 662 00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.360 comfort and all about the way that we feel. To see people stirred up 663 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:40.800 in such a way and get out of, you know, back to point 664 00:46:40.840 --> 00:46:45.679 number three, get out of their complacency. Yeah, is encouraging to me 665 00:46:45.280 --> 00:46:49.429 and it's encouraging for other people. You know. I mean one of the 666 00:46:49.510 --> 00:46:52.750 means that we get, I say, a good portion of our new volunteers 667 00:46:53.269 --> 00:46:58.269 it's been because they've seen something on facebook that somebody else has shared, they 668 00:46:58.309 --> 00:47:00.949 have a friend that's come out as somebody came to the prayer walk or they 669 00:47:00.989 --> 00:47:02.099 themselves came to the prayer walk with they were, you know, a good 670 00:47:02.139 --> 00:47:06.179 number of people and they were encourage okay, other people doing this, I 671 00:47:06.300 --> 00:47:10.139 can do this right, you know, because the Lord encourages us with other 672 00:47:10.260 --> 00:47:14.619 people. You know, right, so and so's doing a you think about 673 00:47:14.699 --> 00:47:17.250 missionary work. How do most people get encouraged to do missionary work? It's 674 00:47:17.289 --> 00:47:20.570 not that, you know, Jesus comes to them in the dream and calls 675 00:47:20.610 --> 00:47:22.130 him to do missionary work. No, it's that they know somebody, they 676 00:47:22.210 --> 00:47:25.530 read about somebody that's at on the mission field and that person is doing the 677 00:47:25.570 --> 00:47:29.329 work of the ministry and they're seeing fruit and they're encouraged by that and so 678 00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:32.280 they go on the mission field temporarily and they feel called permanently mission for yeah, 679 00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:35.119 well, it's like that on the sidewalk as well. Yeah, and 680 00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:38.719 there's I can't remember it was Elijah or Elisha, I always get that mixed 681 00:47:38.760 --> 00:47:47.710 up, but where he's standing discouraged and and the Lord, whoever he's with. 682 00:47:49.510 --> 00:47:52.949 Maybe he's standing with a I can't remember, but I'm sure you will 683 00:47:52.989 --> 00:47:55.789 remember this, and the Lord reveals on the horizon. Yeah, yeah, 684 00:47:55.829 --> 00:48:00.300 that was all sh that was a lisha. So obviously I'm messing up this 685 00:48:00.340 --> 00:48:02.739 story. Didn't just briefly talk about that? Yeah. So, so, 686 00:48:02.900 --> 00:48:07.099 basically the armies and I forget the king's name, sorry. The armies of 687 00:48:07.139 --> 00:48:12.969 King something, whoever came and surrounded the city where Elijah, or Elisha, 688 00:48:13.210 --> 00:48:17.010 sorry, and his servant were staying. Right Yah Hasi was the servant. 689 00:48:17.090 --> 00:48:21.730 I think of that right right now, about that. Yeah, and so, 690 00:48:22.449 --> 00:48:23.610 yeah, so they look and they see this army. At least the 691 00:48:23.849 --> 00:48:28.039 servant looks and sees US Army and he's overwhelmed, all the right, terrified 692 00:48:28.079 --> 00:48:30.079 and to get we calls no way we can get that. We're gonna get 693 00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:35.320 demolished. Then aliasha praise and says Lord, open his eyes, and then 694 00:48:35.480 --> 00:48:38.119 the Lord opens his eyes and he sees all. There's this heavenly host, 695 00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:44.469 this angel arm army that surrounds and of course they are encouraged right and right 696 00:48:44.909 --> 00:48:49.630 by the numbers, by the sheer numbers of this heavenly hosts that God has 697 00:48:49.710 --> 00:48:53.670 sent, yeah, a heavenly army to to help us. And I don't 698 00:48:53.710 --> 00:48:58.900 know that I've ever seen that. I think he's never rolled back the clouds 699 00:48:58.980 --> 00:49:01.019 for me to see, but I know it's true. I know they're there, 700 00:49:01.099 --> 00:49:06.340 and sometimes I'll visualize that as I'm standing in front of the abortion center 701 00:49:06.380 --> 00:49:10.449 and feeling discouraged, I remember there is the heavenly host is all there. 702 00:49:10.690 --> 00:49:16.570 Yeah, and and they are fighting for us. Yeah, for God's glory 703 00:49:16.690 --> 00:49:22.610 and for his purpose, and his purpose is clearly to to save the innocent. 704 00:49:22.849 --> 00:49:25.519 Yeah, absolutely, to protect those those babies. Yeah. So, 705 00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:34.960 but but I thought that this verse also pointed out really a very important truth, 706 00:49:35.119 --> 00:49:38.070 okay, that there's really only one number that matters. Yeah, and 707 00:49:38.230 --> 00:49:44.949 that number is truly just one. Yeah, the one who stands with us 708 00:49:45.150 --> 00:49:47.789 is God. Yeah, absolutely, and if he is with us, the 709 00:49:47.949 --> 00:49:52.429 truly is all we need. Yeah, absolutely, that's yeah, keep in 710 00:49:52.510 --> 00:49:55.059 mind one Saturday morning a couple of weeks ago, we were on the sidewalk. 711 00:49:55.219 --> 00:49:59.940 Me and Francine were there. I believe was me and Francine and maybe 712 00:50:00.099 --> 00:50:02.340 one other guy, maybe Kevin was there. Okays, are volunteers, for 713 00:50:02.420 --> 00:50:07.809 those who are listening, and there were a lot of the pro abortion people 714 00:50:07.849 --> 00:50:12.369 were there already, yea, and there were quite a few patients in the 715 00:50:12.489 --> 00:50:15.449 parking line. They're only three of us and it can get overwhelming sometimes when 716 00:50:15.449 --> 00:50:17.809 it's only a few of us. And then we've been the police are there 717 00:50:19.010 --> 00:50:22.039 and they're there being a hindrance to what we're doing. It's just it's just 718 00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:25.360 madness out there sometimes and Francine said something like, you know, there's some 719 00:50:25.559 --> 00:50:29.280 there's more of them than there are of us, and I said, Oh 720 00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:32.400 yeah, it looks like we got them surrounded. There's more of them, 721 00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.949 there are more of them numerically. But Hey, yeah, we've got the 722 00:50:36.030 --> 00:50:37.750 Lord on our side, we've got the heavenly host, we've got the angel 723 00:50:37.789 --> 00:50:43.670 armies and we really got them surrounded. Yeah, Yep, because we have 724 00:50:43.829 --> 00:50:46.829 the power that raise Christ Jesus from the dead living in us. Right. 725 00:50:47.429 --> 00:50:52.340 And you know, Romans thirty one, if goddess for us, who could 726 00:50:52.340 --> 00:50:55.699 be against a guess, if the God who made the heavens in the earth 727 00:50:57.099 --> 00:51:00.380 is on our side, the whole world can be against us, we're still 728 00:51:00.380 --> 00:51:04.449 going to have victory. Yeah, and and so, you know, I 729 00:51:04.489 --> 00:51:07.170 want to encourage you guys, do you guys who maybe are maybe just getting 730 00:51:07.210 --> 00:51:10.530 involved, being on the sidewalk at an abortion clinting, maybe just getting involved 731 00:51:10.570 --> 00:51:15.369 in some kind of prolife ministry? Maybe not yet involved, but want to 732 00:51:15.449 --> 00:51:19.599 be involved. You know, we're called to a Bay God and out of 733 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:22.599 obedience to God there's going to be fruit that's going to be born. I 734 00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:24.599 don't want you guys to be encouraged. You know, if you've looked at 735 00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:29.320 cities for life, if you looked at our numbers, and you know sometimes 736 00:51:30.039 --> 00:51:32.349 things that God intends to be an encouragement can be a discouragement and you can 737 00:51:32.389 --> 00:51:35.869 think, well, I'm not I'm not bearing that kind of fruit, I'm 738 00:51:35.909 --> 00:51:38.110 not seeing baby saved on a regular base or whatever. You know what, 739 00:51:38.469 --> 00:51:42.869 it's not. Again, it's not about that numbers. Encourage us, praise 740 00:51:42.909 --> 00:51:45.789 God, take, take keep tracking number. That's that's one of the reasons, 741 00:51:45.869 --> 00:51:49.820 original, originally, that the folks started keeping tracking numbers, just just 742 00:51:50.099 --> 00:51:53.539 to being courage to see what God is doing. Maybe you're not seeing those 743 00:51:53.539 --> 00:51:58.460 numbers right now. Again, like I mentioned, you maybe seek some counsel 744 00:51:58.539 --> 00:52:00.420 from other folks. Reach out to us. You can reach out to me. 745 00:52:00.579 --> 00:52:04.889 Deep Parks of cities for lifecom I'm not going to claim to know all 746 00:52:04.929 --> 00:52:07.889 the answers for you and correct everything that you're doing wrong. I'll give you 747 00:52:07.929 --> 00:52:09.809 some suggestions to some of the things that we've seen. They're effective on a 748 00:52:09.889 --> 00:52:14.050 sidewalks and of the things that are not effective, of course, in a 749 00:52:14.090 --> 00:52:16.679 biblical framework, not in my opinion, not in some you know, board 750 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:20.519 room is people sit down and etched out a scheme. No, it's not 751 00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:22.599 like that. We want to do things biblically and we do, but biblical 752 00:52:22.760 --> 00:52:25.039 within a biblical framework. We are some of the things that we've seen to 753 00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:28.800 be effective and I love to share some of that stuff with you. You 754 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.429 can go on our sidewalks for life. That's why we established that website, 755 00:52:31.670 --> 00:52:38.230 www upside, www dot sidewalks, the number for lifecom Vicki's writing articles. 756 00:52:38.230 --> 00:52:43.110 I've written a few articles and those are there to help you be effective within 757 00:52:43.190 --> 00:52:45.539 a biblical framework, to help you bear fruit. Want to bear fruit for 758 00:52:45.659 --> 00:52:49.980 God. It's ultimately not about our glory. It's not about the glory of 759 00:52:50.019 --> 00:52:53.340 Cities Rush. It's about God being glorified. He's the he's the Lord of 760 00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:57.300 this Ministry. He's if you're a Christian, he's the Lord of your life 761 00:52:57.579 --> 00:53:00.570 and all the fruit that's born. Just Give Glory to God for it. 762 00:53:00.769 --> 00:53:02.570 Celebrate the numbers, like they did in the book of acts, the numbers 763 00:53:02.570 --> 00:53:07.210 of babies that were say are people that were saying day and as we celebrate 764 00:53:07.210 --> 00:53:09.010 the numbers of babies are safe, and then give glory to God. It's 765 00:53:09.050 --> 00:53:13.480 all God's doing. What we're added to them, all of those who are 766 00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.880 being saved. Right by whom? Not by Peter, right by God. 767 00:53:17.519 --> 00:53:22.320 So as we see baby saved, we're giving glory to the Lord. It's 768 00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.800 God that did it. We're I'm not stupid enough to believe that I'm so 769 00:53:27.039 --> 00:53:30.429 wise and so good that I can figure out how to change a person's heart. 770 00:53:30.590 --> 00:53:32.949 I can't. I can't do it, you can't do it, but 771 00:53:34.110 --> 00:53:37.469 God can do it. Surrender to him and watch him be glorified through your 772 00:53:37.469 --> 00:53:38.949 life. So we hope we were. We were encouragement. Do you guys? 773 00:53:39.230 --> 00:53:44.539 Hope you guys will continue to listen? Share this podcast, you know, 774 00:53:44.619 --> 00:53:46.059 tell friends to listen. I think it will be encouragement to them. 775 00:53:46.099 --> 00:53:59.369 But until next time, God bless o love for love, give me our 776 00:53:59.650 --> 00:54:10.719 love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too 777 00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:14.199 precious. And some met you