May 5, 2022

Should People With Abortion in Their Past Be on the Sidewalk?

Should People With Abortion in Their Past Be on the Sidewalk?

Women and men who have abortion in their past are some of the most powerful witnesses on the sidewalk. However, it’s important that we minister from a place of healing rather than a place of hurting. In this episode, we talk about how to approach this subject, and Vicky shares her story of ministering on the sidewalk before she received healing from a past abortion.

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Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.919 Here. I am telling people don't have an abortion, but I'm not admitting 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:08.359 that I had. It's a very different place of ministry when you've admitted it 3 00:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.119 and you're saying you know. I know that what you're going to go through 4 00:00:13.160 --> 00:00:18.920 because I've done it and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I am yours. 5 00:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.879 I Am Yours, I am yours, and me, Lord, I 6 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:29.359 am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life 7 00:00:29.440 --> 00:00:34.840 Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life 8 00:00:34.920 --> 00:00:41.159 ministry and always were a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt 9 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:53.640 show passish touch your Lord. Use Me, Lord. Hey, there everyone, 10 00:00:53.679 --> 00:00:58.920 welcome to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. I'm sorry, I almost 11 00:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.719 blew. It's all right. It is a podcast, not just a ministry. 12 00:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.079 It's both. But I'm here with Daniel Parks and I'm Vicki Kazi York. 13 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:14.159 We are sidewalk counselors and we have other roles in in our love life 14 00:01:14.239 --> 00:01:19.599 ministry, but but we love the sidewalk. We Love we love the work 15 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.840 on the sidewalk to to try and plead for the lives of the unborn, 16 00:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.840 so to that end. We want to equip and encourage everybody that is called 17 00:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.040 to this ministry and that's why we do this podcast, to try and and 18 00:01:34.079 --> 00:01:40.840 help people to feel more comfortable and equipped to do we pray that if you're 19 00:01:40.840 --> 00:01:46.200 listening to this, so you're you're maybe either already involved in sidewalk ministry or 20 00:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.840 your contemplating being involved, and we pray that God will direct you clearly if 21 00:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.239 that that's where you should be. Yeah, I want to mention real quick. 22 00:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.599 I have forgotten to mention this in the past. Several effort episodes, 23 00:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.519 okay, but if you're interested in getting more of these podcasts, maybe somebody 24 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.280 sent you just one podcast episode or something like that and you're interested in more 25 00:02:07.319 --> 00:02:14.439 of these podcast episodes, you can go on Gospel Centered prolifecom and that's all 26 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.960 of our episodes. As kind of a website, this is dedicated to these 27 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.800 podcast episodes. There's a search feature there. If there's, I don't know, 28 00:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.000 subjects or just keywords that you think, hey, wonder if they did 29 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:29.080 a podcast about that, you can search those keywords on that website, Gospel 30 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.039 Centered prolifecom. In it bring up all of the episodes that have that keyword 31 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.960 in them. Right. We've been doing this a long time, over two 32 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:43.360 years, and honestly we have hit so many topics over that time period. 33 00:02:43.719 --> 00:02:50.039 We like to tell our missionaries if you watched every podcast we have ever produced, 34 00:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.199 you would probably never have any questions, yes, on what happens on 35 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.639 the sidewalk, because it's pretty comprehensive. Yeah, what we think is, 36 00:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.280 though, if, like they really don't watch the podcasted. I know I 37 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.599 keep getting that wrong to sometimes we taught thought about doing video, but we 38 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:10.400 have not yet. So you're listening to the podcast and just watching a still 39 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.560 picture of you. Some we do have them on Youtube. They're uploaded as 40 00:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.159 just like a still picture with your idea. So maybe you watch that right 41 00:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.919 our faces and never move the whole time. Hopefully you're you're equipped by that. 42 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.520 But either way, however you access these, they're out there to equip 43 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.080 and encourage you guys. That's right. That's right, and men it. 44 00:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.199 Many of them are developed when we do get a question right from one of 45 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.199 our sidewalk counselors, are missionaries, and that's how this one was developed. 46 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.319 Someone asked me, and I honestly I can't remember who, but but someone 47 00:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.520 said. You know, would you talk about what do you feel about someone 48 00:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.599 coming onto a into the role as a volunteer on the sidewalk if they are 49 00:03:53.639 --> 00:03:59.520 post aboard of and have not had healing? Right? And that is such 50 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:05.639 a good question, because so many people that enter sidewalk counseling do so because 51 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.919 they know the truth, because of their personal experience with abortion. Yeah, 52 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:17.959 and so, and it's such a good question also because we know that if 53 00:04:18.120 --> 00:04:24.360 Satan is real, spiritual warfare out there is intense. It is a very 54 00:04:24.399 --> 00:04:30.079 difficult ministry. Yeah, and if you have not had he lean from your 55 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:36.279 own abortion, Satan canny you alive. Yeah. Yeah, the devil knows 56 00:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.639 which buttons to push, for sure, and healing actually removes those buttons. 57 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.240 Right when you got realing now to a degree. Yeah, I want to 58 00:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.199 mention, though, the reality second Corinthians, verse seventeen. If anyone is 59 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.399 in Christ, he is a new creation. Old Things have passed away. 60 00:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.680 Behold all things that become new. Right. So we believe in healing through 61 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:05.079 Jesus. We believe that your past sins when you become a Christian are washed 62 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.839 away. You're no longer who you used to be. Right. So we 63 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.399 believe that and there's a certain amount of healing. If you have abortion in 64 00:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.839 your past, for sure, no doubt you've been forgiven and a certain amount 65 00:05:17.879 --> 00:05:24.199 of healing has been applied. But I will say that the Lord really wants 66 00:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.759 to get into the depths of those wounds and bring healings. And we talked 67 00:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.439 about post aboard of healing. We're talking about getting into a study. Surrendering 68 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.519 the secret is one of those studies. There's others. I don't forgiven and 69 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.560 set for you think, is another one. Stephanie Rhinehart, whose local here 70 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.199 in Charlotte, runs the post aboard of healing sort of area of ministry for 71 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.959 Love Life called restored life, and what she does as she networks with other 72 00:05:50.000 --> 00:05:55.839 post aboard of healing ministries, organizations and Bible studies across the nation and gets 73 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.680 people plugged into the one that she thinks would best suit them right. And 74 00:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.439 she will tell you that, yes, you receive healing when you become a 75 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:09.639 Christian, but those wounds, those past wounds, don't truly get taken care 76 00:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.480 of until you bring that stuff to the light, because the devil's going to 77 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.959 use that stuff in your past to bring it back up to you to bring 78 00:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.959 guilt and shame, to neutralize you. It's going to be a button the 79 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.920 devil can push in your life and if you go through this healing process, 80 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.920 that button can be removed. The devil can't push that but anymore because you 81 00:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.319 brought it to the light. That's right. So what makes this a very 82 00:06:32.360 --> 00:06:38.120 interesting topic with me being a cohost on this, is that I did not 83 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.680 do that. I did not have I did come to the Lord. I 84 00:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.759 came to the Lord thirty five years ago, I think it's been now. 85 00:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.439 But but I did not have any kind of post aboard of healing. Yeah, 86 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.240 program no, no program and and so I wanted to tell my story 87 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.360 a little bit, just just about the as I came onto the sidewalk, 88 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:09.879 because I do want to raise the thought that it is possible to do what 89 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:15.240 I did. Yeah, it's not recommended. I will tell you that's I'll 90 00:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.800 spoil the ending. It's not recommended and and you'll see why when I tell 91 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.959 my story. But but it is possible. So I came, I started 92 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.800 ten years ago, about ten years ago, it's nine and a half, 93 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.560 something like that, on the sidewalk and I had not told anyone about my 94 00:07:31.639 --> 00:07:39.399 own abortion, including my children. So I came because of that abortion. 95 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.079 Probably that's why I was probably attracted in the first place to this ministry. 96 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.160 But but I had not told anyone and I was actually on the sidewalk. 97 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:57.079 I think it was five years before I god was so incredibly gentle with me, 98 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.480 but he never let me off the hook. He kept telling me that 99 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.959 I did need to to talk about my own experience with the people I worked 100 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:11.920 with and with my family. Yeah, and and in that five years when 101 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.639 no one knew, he used me. I mean I was mightily used by 102 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.480 God. I'd be astounded by what God was doing, by the miracles I'd 103 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.000 seen, by the lives that were saved, and I don't know why. 104 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:33.720 Yeah, but I will tell you it came at enormous cost. Enormous cost. 105 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.559 Every area of my life was under attack by Satan, and I mean 106 00:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.879 everything, health, finances, marriage, children, everything. Yeah, my 107 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.399 my parents just really there. There was not an untouched area of my life 108 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.960 and it was devastating in every one of those areas. Yeah. So the 109 00:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.039 only thing looking back that still floors me as why I didn't give up. 110 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.320 I don't know, other than I love the Lord and I hated Satan so 111 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.320 much I wasn't going to give him the victory. Yeah, but I think 112 00:09:09.399 --> 00:09:16.519 that it was it was a heavy price to pay. Yeah, would I 113 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.519 have still gone through that had I gone through an abortion healing program I don't 114 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.600 know, but ultimately I did. God finally convinced me. I did tell 115 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.320 my family first, and then I told you, all the people I work 116 00:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.720 with, and then I then I went very public. Yeah, and now 117 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.759 you know. It's totally out in the open and one of the hardest things 118 00:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.639 for people like in my situation and for any post aboard of women who is 119 00:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.440 ministering on the sidewalk, honestly, is going to be the the socalled pro 120 00:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.480 choice people. Yeah, and how they will attack, call you a hypocrite, 121 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.080 whatever, right and say you had an abortion wise and it okay for 122 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.960 everyone else to have an abortion. So there is no doubt, when I 123 00:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.480 finally did release that burden, and I did go through an online post aboard 124 00:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.480 of healing program at that point as well, that I really was released to 125 00:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.360 be fully free to do what God had called me to do on the sidewalk. 126 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:20.120 So I think the wiser thing for people to do is go through the 127 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.919 post aboard of healing first. Yeah, yeah, or maybe in conjunction right 128 00:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.919 with as your ministring on the sidewalk. Yeah, but there were some things 129 00:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.240 said in in this article that that I that we talked about that, no 130 00:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.840 matter which path you take, that are some key things, yeah, that 131 00:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.879 you need to do. Let me just pipe in real quick and encourage those 132 00:10:46.879 --> 00:10:48.799 who are listening who may have an abortion in your past. Maybe you haven't 133 00:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.519 shared that. There's a temptation with Vicki sharing her story about how she stepped 134 00:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.360 out into the sidewalk and God used her mighty even in spite of the fact 135 00:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.120 that she never brought this thing to the light. Temptation to say, well, 136 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.679 if she could do it, I can do it. It's very unwise 137 00:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.480 to presume upon God's mercy in that way. Yeah, and God's grace, 138 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.879 like, why was his grace on Vicki, even in spite of that and 139 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.080 even though the devil had a foothold in certain in a certain way, yeah, 140 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.120 she still had victory of that. WHO KNOWS WHY? God gave her 141 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.639 the grace and God may give you the grace, same grace that he gave 142 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.120 her, but he also may not. I don't know why God operates the 143 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.360 way that he does. But I'll tell you it's wisdom to just not give 144 00:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.360 the devil a foothold, to not give the devil an angle. And I 145 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.440 can tell you if you have an abortion in your past and you're you're not 146 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.279 sharing it with other people because you're afraid of how they're going to view you 147 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.919 or how they're going to you know whatever, I can tell you that is 148 00:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.879 a lie from the flesh and from the devil. The people around you that 149 00:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.039 love you are going to love you no matter what's in your past. Yeah, 150 00:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.519 and we should, yes, we should be ashamed of the decisions that 151 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:11.240 we made in the past, but if we're truly in Christ, then we're 152 00:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.639 no longer that that person. What was the thing? Maybe it's in your 153 00:12:13.720 --> 00:12:20.120 article where there's a guy on law and sharing about how some wicked people are 154 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.240 saying wicked things about him and his path, and he's like, it's like 155 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.080 they're throwing rocks at a house that I don't live in anymore. Oh, 156 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.360 that's so great, and I it isn't in the article, but I'm glad 157 00:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.080 you remembered that because high to this day, I heard that, I don't 158 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.120 know, a few months ago and to this day, on every morning I 159 00:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.600 walk and it's my time with God, and almost every morning I'll revisit something 160 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.759 in my head about something that God is either further revealing to me or I'm 161 00:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.759 remembering from from my past. And Satan uses that right away to cause me 162 00:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.080 to cry, to be discouraged, to think I can't do what I'm called 163 00:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.960 to do because I'm such a pitiful, wicked, horrible scum of humanity. 164 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:07.639 And I will remember. Stop It. You're throwing rocks at a house I 165 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:13.480 don't live in anymore, that is no longer my home, and and I 166 00:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.600 and we are made new. You started off saying that we are made new 167 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.919 in the Lord as believers in Jesus. So we are made new and and 168 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:31.000 we can overcome because Jesus has overcome our past and we can use it for 169 00:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.679 good. What Satan meant for evil, we can't. We can use for 170 00:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.960 good. But also going back to you, saying, well, God was 171 00:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.240 able to use me anyway. But here the warning. I mean I was 172 00:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879 diagnosed with breast cancer, my parents were both put into a nursing home. 173 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.559 Both of my dogs side of cancer. We lost all of our savings, 174 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.000 we had struggles in our family. That that, you know, the the 175 00:13:54.000 --> 00:14:01.759 repercussion still reverberate to this day. There were there were things I would not 176 00:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.679 wish on anyone. Yeah, that that I went through and and so be 177 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.320 very, very careful. If that in general, kind of the bottom line 178 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.799 is that I would say get that healing first. And I would say also 179 00:14:18.799 --> 00:14:24.200 a danger if you go on to the sidewalk and you have not told your 180 00:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.840 family or your friends, but one day you speak it to a mom because 181 00:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.000 you your heart is telling you that mom needs to hear it to choose life. 182 00:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.600 Yeah, it will get out there. Yeah, and do you want 183 00:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.519 someone else to tell your family or your friends, or do you want it 184 00:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.759 to be through the lens of what you went through and your own mouth? 185 00:14:43.799 --> 00:14:50.320 Yeah, telling. Yeah. So there are big dangers if if you do 186 00:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.360 not get healing first and go public. Yeah, first. I think that's 187 00:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.840 the main thing, is just having this out in the open, right, 188 00:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.559 bringing it to the light. Yes, this scripture, first John comes to 189 00:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.960 mind, first Shawn, and chapter one, verse five. It starts. 190 00:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.799 This is the message which we have heard from him and declare to you that 191 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.240 God is light and in him is no darkness at all. If we say 192 00:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.240 that we have fellowship with him and walk in darkness, we lie and did 193 00:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.720 not practice the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he's 194 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.159 in the light, we have fellowship with one another. In the blood of 195 00:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.240 Jesus Christ, his son, cleanses us from all sin. This principle of 196 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.840 walking in the light is not a principle of walking in sinless perfection and never 197 00:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.879 messing up. It's a principle of bringing things to the light. And notice 198 00:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.600 that it talks about reconciliation that comes from walking in the light, reconciliation with 199 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:52.039 God, but also reconciliation with others. Says the blood of Jesus Christis son, 200 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.639 cleanse us from all same we walk in the light. Verse Seven. 201 00:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.519 If we walk in the lights, he's in the light. We have fellowship 202 00:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.039 with one another and the blood of Jesus Christ, his son, cleanses us 203 00:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.759 from all sins. So blood of Jesus Christ cleanse us from all sins. 204 00:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.480 Speaking about reconciliation with God, but before that we have fellowship with one another. 205 00:16:08.480 --> 00:16:15.519 Speaks of reconciliation with our brothers and sisters. And sometimes, if you 206 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.000 have sin in your past that you've not brought to the light, that doesn't 207 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.200 mean we need to get into all the gordy details of our life, but 208 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.320 if there are things we know in the past the devil's trying to use to 209 00:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.600 define us, a lot of times that will break fellowship with other people, 210 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.080 will disconnected from other people, will feel it's hard to connect with people because 211 00:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.600 they really don't understand me. The reason why is because those things likely have 212 00:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.039 not been brought to the light. Fellowship is broken, there's a sense of 213 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.879 disunity, and so I think that could definitely I don't I can't speak for 214 00:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.080 how you felt why you're on the sidewalk those years where you never shared this, 215 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.559 but I would guess there was a sense of disunity, almost a sense 216 00:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.399 of dishonesty, like I'm holding something back from absolutely absolutely I remember when I 217 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.039 first told you, yeah, and and Elijah and some of the other leaders 218 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.400 had on the sidewalk. I said, I'm I'm so sorry that I didn't. 219 00:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.200 I should have told you sooner. I should have. There was so 220 00:17:10.359 --> 00:17:15.759 much guilt and kind of a flip side of that is I mean you are 221 00:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.279 kind of living a lie. Yeah, I hear I am telling people don't 222 00:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.319 have an abortion, but I'm not admitting that I had. It's a very 223 00:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.519 different place of ministry when you've admitted it and you're saying you know, I 224 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:33.279 know that what you're going to go through because I've done it and I wouldn't 225 00:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.799 wish it on anyone. But the other side of that is there can be 226 00:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.720 this veneer of perfection. There's nothing wrong with me, I have got it 227 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:49.200 all together, and my children certainly saw that. That's what they saw, 228 00:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.680 someone who will at least claim to be pretty perfect. Yeah, and when 229 00:17:55.720 --> 00:18:02.480 I told them, I think it opened a whole new understanding, an ability 230 00:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.359 to relate to me. Oh, you know, she really messed up. 231 00:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.400 She's way more human. Yeah, and we realize, and I actually think 232 00:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.680 it it helped our relationship bridge the divide. That's right. It helps bring 233 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:21.599 fellowship, right, yeah, you fellowship as believers in Jesus, around the 234 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.720 fact that we've all been redeemed by the blood of the lamb, that we've 235 00:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.000 all royally screwed up, yes, in our lives, varying degrees and in 236 00:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.839 varying ways. Yeah, and we have that in common. We all really 237 00:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.039 screwed up, right, but there's a God who redeems and heals royal screw 238 00:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.799 ups. That's right, and then turns us into royalty. That's right, 239 00:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.680 that's right, beautiful. You should, you should coin that. That was 240 00:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.359 very much coin is good. It's write a book. So I think this 241 00:18:48.519 --> 00:18:55.599 is a very important paragraph in in the article that we wrote because, as 242 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.559 the person who asked me, I believe, if I'm remember correctly, as 243 00:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.759 a leader who's thinking. So yes or no? Do we do we let 244 00:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.839 these women with post abortive passed on women now say, and men to and 245 00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.160 men, because there's men with unconfessed abortions in their past. They did not 246 00:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.400 obviously have the abortion themselves, but they contributed in in whatever way. They 247 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.680 coerced, they drove her, whatever, it's their baby. Then yes, 248 00:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.480 they need healing as well. So I do think it is possible. Like 249 00:19:23.519 --> 00:19:29.319 I said, it was possible with me and as I look back, I 250 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.599 mean, I'd be mine if I didn't say this. I think being on 251 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.279 the sidewalk was instrumental in part of my healing. Yeah, so would I 252 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.400 deny that to someone else? No, I would not, but I do 253 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.880 think, with my experience now, I think that there are key elements in 254 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.400 place, or that should be in place, for anyone in Ministry who's a 255 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.440 ministry leader. As they're looking at, should I allow this person to be 256 00:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.599 a part of our team or not? Yeah, and so I want to 257 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.480 go over those because I think they're really important. First of all, first 258 00:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.279 and foremost, the person, woman or man, needs to be a strong 259 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.160 believer in the Lord. There can be no doubt in your mind. If 260 00:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.519 it's a post aboard of woman and she's a brand new believer, I would 261 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.000 say for sure she should go through healing first. Yeah, they need to 262 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:25.519 be a strong and probably established believer in the Lord. I think that's maybe 263 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.880 what got me through what I went through. I had been walking with the 264 00:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.000 Lord for thirty years. Yeah, so fully abiding and in in the Lord. 265 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.480 I think that's absolutely important. She needs to have regular and very intentional 266 00:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.720 devotional time alone with God. That's true for all of us. Yeah, 267 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.079 but I think it's doubly true for someone who is saying I haven't yet gone 268 00:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.079 through a healing program but I really want to be on the sidewalk. Yeah, 269 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.119 talk with her and find out what is. What is her time with 270 00:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.599 the Lord look correct? Yeah, she needs to be in a strongly supportive 271 00:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.319 church, yeah, with accountability to that Church, critical, strongly you know, 272 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.759 a local church. Must be in a local church. She does need 273 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.440 the support of her family and they must have knowledge of her past. That 274 00:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.880 was a huge mistake from me that I that I had not gone public. 275 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:27.680 Some of my family knew, but but most did not, because it you're 276 00:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.480 always living in fear. Then out on the sidewalk, who's going to tell 277 00:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.440 my family? Who's going to discover? And you cannot minister out of a 278 00:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.759 place of fear. Right. If all those elements, and I mean all 279 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.839 of those, are not in place, then I would recommend to anyone in 280 00:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.640 a leadership position don't have that person on the sidewalk yet. Have them go 281 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.440 through a healing program first. Yeah, and if those elements are in place, 282 00:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.240 then I'd say then you know, find out does this woman really know 283 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.400 about fighting spiritual battle, how to fight it well, the spiritual armor of 284 00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.079 God and all that kind of stuff, and if she if she is going 285 00:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.319 to be on their watch her closely and have a personal accountability person that she 286 00:22:15.359 --> 00:22:23.000 goes to, that you are in contact with discussing how everything is going in 287 00:22:23.039 --> 00:22:30.400 her life. I think had you known everything and known all that that was 288 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.640 happening to me, you probably would have told me step back. Yeah, 289 00:22:33.200 --> 00:22:40.759 and that might have been wife advice. Yeah. Yeah, so the encouragement 290 00:22:40.920 --> 00:22:47.000 is then, as leaders, as we're talking about just the the things that 291 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.839 those who are leading have in their past and of course, in particular we're 292 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:56.839 talking about abortion. But all of this stems from a desire as leaders, 293 00:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.880 for us to do what is right for those who were leading. So we're 294 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.920 not just talking about punishing people that have an abortion in their past, but 295 00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.119 not letting them come out on the sidewalk until they get some kind of post 296 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.240 aboard of healing. We're talking about as leaders, we have a vested interest 297 00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:18.160 in doing right by them. Yeah, putting them out on the front lines 298 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.119 of a battle whenever there's like, you know, there's some stuff in their 299 00:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.559 past that really hasn't been taken care of yet. It's not good for them. 300 00:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.680 Right, right. It'd be like putting someone, and I don't mean 301 00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.559 to say that having an abortion in your past is a handicap, but it'd 302 00:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.400 be like putting someone with a handicap on the front line of a real battle 303 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.640 and put a sword in their hand. Yeah, it's like, well, 304 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.559 they're not equipped until that handicap is taken care of. Yeah, to really 305 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.559 fight this battle effectively. So we have to be discerning as leaders. No, 306 00:23:48.680 --> 00:23:53.079 one of the things that we've said is that we're not requiring people that 307 00:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.640 people absolutely have to go through post aboard of healing if they have an abortion 308 00:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.480 in their past to be on the sidewalk, but we do ask that they 309 00:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.599 have a conversation with Stephanie just so she can kind of assess where they're at 310 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.640 and get them information, to take advantage of a post aboard of Healing Bible 311 00:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.119 study just to give the information to them. So we're asking for them to 312 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.960 do that, for them to talk with Stephanie her assess where they're at and 313 00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.920 then, you know, if they start that post aboard of healing process, 314 00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.359 they can come out on the sidewalk even in the midst of that process. 315 00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.079 Some people have chosen to go through the entire process before they go out on 316 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.960 the sidewalk. I think that's wisdom. Yeah, we can't say, no 317 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.200 one can say exactly what's the right formula, but what we can say is 318 00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.200 here's here's some of what we've seen. Here's some of the best things. 319 00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.799 Like God can use all kinds of things. God used your story, even 320 00:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.519 though you didn't get post aboard of healing before. God's used you and he's 321 00:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.000 using you tremendously. But just because God uses someone else in a certain way 322 00:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.400 doesn't necessarily mean he's going to use you in the same way. Hey, 323 00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.880 so we just have to use wisdom and apply why is principles, I think 324 00:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.119 post aboard of healing and getting plugged in to a ministry light, restored life, 325 00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.119 and it's want to put a plug real quick for Stephanie Ron Hart, 326 00:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.480 because if you go on our website, Love Life Dot Org, restored life, 327 00:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.319 that's where you can get connected with Stephanie. Maybe you have an abortion 328 00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.240 in your past or someone who has an abortion in their past that you're connected 329 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.319 with. Maybe you're a leader and you want to get someone that's serving connected. 330 00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.759 That would be the way to do it, and Stephanie's Great. She 331 00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.039 has so many connections with post aboard of healing. She's got such a heart 332 00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:37.480 for this and just a wisdom to speak to this this issue unlike anyone else. 333 00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.960 Yeah, I'm not on that line. I'd like to tell a quick, 334 00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.880 brief little story, because I have mentioned her earlier on and some of 335 00:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.960 our podcast, about the woman who contacted me post aboard of and was suicidal. 336 00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.640 Yeah, and I was counseling her for a couple of months and she 337 00:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.079 was suicidal throughout that time period. I actually did connect her with Stephanie and 338 00:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.039 and she that woman is now, I would say, free. I mean 339 00:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.640 she she had a very strong salvation experience. She told me she recently. 340 00:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.359 She is doing fine. She said she has been healed. Jesus has healed 341 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.079 her. But I do think that part of that, what was pivotal in 342 00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.960 that, was the discussion with Stephanie. Yeah, and I think that is 343 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.599 just such a wise and good idea. Connect with Stephanie. Yeah, if 344 00:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.720 you're one of the leaders, certainly in love life, if you've got a 345 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.240 question about having someone beyond the sidewalk, have them connect with her. Yeah, 346 00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.960 yeah, that's good. Yeah. Well, with that I think we'll 347 00:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.519 wrap this episode up. Hopefully it was a blessing you, guys. 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