Should People With Abortion in Their Past Be on the Sidewalk?

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.919Here. I am telling people don'thave an abortion, but I'm not admitting200:00:03.960 --> 00:00:08.359that I had. It's a verydifferent place of ministry when you've admitted it300:00:08.400 --> 00:00:13.119and you're saying you know. Iknow that what you're going to go through400:00:13.160 --> 00:00:18.920because I've done it and I wouldn'twish it on anyone. I am yours.500:00:18.960 --> 00:00:23.879I Am Yours, I am yours, and me, Lord, I600:00:23.920 --> 00:00:29.359am yours, I am yours.I'm welcome to the Gospel Center Pro Life700:00:29.440 --> 00:00:34.840Podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you in pro life800:00:34.920 --> 00:00:41.159ministry and always were a focus onthe Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt900:00:41.520 --> 00:00:53.640show passish touch your Lord. UseMe, Lord. Hey, there everyone,1000:00:53.679 --> 00:00:58.920welcome to the Gospel centered pro lifepodcast. I'm sorry, I almost1100:00:58.920 --> 00:01:02.719blew. It's all right. Itis a podcast, not just a ministry.1200:01:02.759 --> 00:01:07.079It's both. But I'm here withDaniel Parks and I'm Vicki Kazi York.1300:01:07.280 --> 00:01:14.159We are sidewalk counselors and we haveother roles in in our love life1400:01:14.239 --> 00:01:19.599ministry, but but we love thesidewalk. We Love we love the work1500:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.840on the sidewalk to to try andplead for the lives of the unborn,1600:01:25.200 --> 00:01:30.840so to that end. We wantto equip and encourage everybody that is called1700:01:30.879 --> 00:01:34.040to this ministry and that's why wedo this podcast, to try and and1800:01:34.079 --> 00:01:40.840help people to feel more comfortable andequipped to do we pray that if you're1900:01:40.840 --> 00:01:46.200listening to this, so you're you'remaybe either already involved in sidewalk ministry or2000:01:46.400 --> 00:01:49.840your contemplating being involved, and wepray that God will direct you clearly if2100:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.239that that's where you should be.Yeah, I want to mention real quick.2200:01:53.799 --> 00:01:57.599I have forgotten to mention this inthe past. Several effort episodes,2300:01:57.680 --> 00:02:02.519okay, but if you're interested ingetting more of these podcasts, maybe somebody2400:02:02.519 --> 00:02:07.280sent you just one podcast episode orsomething like that and you're interested in more2500:02:07.319 --> 00:02:14.439of these podcast episodes, you cango on Gospel Centered prolifecom and that's all2600:02:14.479 --> 00:02:16.960of our episodes. As kind ofa website, this is dedicated to these2700:02:16.960 --> 00:02:21.800podcast episodes. There's a search featurethere. If there's, I don't know,2800:02:21.919 --> 00:02:24.000subjects or just keywords that you think, hey, wonder if they did2900:02:24.000 --> 00:02:29.080a podcast about that, you cansearch those keywords on that website, Gospel3000:02:29.120 --> 00:02:34.039Centered prolifecom. In it bring upall of the episodes that have that keyword3100:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.960in them. Right. We've beendoing this a long time, over two3200:02:37.039 --> 00:02:43.360years, and honestly we have hitso many topics over that time period.3300:02:43.719 --> 00:02:50.039We like to tell our missionaries ifyou watched every podcast we have ever produced,3400:02:50.080 --> 00:02:53.199you would probably never have any questions, yes, on what happens on3500:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.639the sidewalk, because it's pretty comprehensive. Yeah, what we think is,3600:02:57.639 --> 00:03:00.280though, if, like they reallydon't watch the podcasted. I know I3700:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.599keep getting that wrong to sometimes wetaught thought about doing video, but we3800:03:05.639 --> 00:03:10.400have not yet. So you're listeningto the podcast and just watching a still3900:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.560picture of you. Some we dohave them on Youtube. They're uploaded as4000:03:15.599 --> 00:03:19.159just like a still picture with youridea. So maybe you watch that right4100:03:19.280 --> 00:03:23.919our faces and never move the wholetime. Hopefully you're you're equipped by that.4200:03:24.000 --> 00:03:28.520But either way, however you accessthese, they're out there to equip4300:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.080and encourage you guys. That's right. That's right, and men it.4400:03:30.199 --> 00:03:36.199Many of them are developed when wedo get a question right from one of4500:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.199our sidewalk counselors, are missionaries,and that's how this one was developed.4600:03:39.240 --> 00:03:43.319Someone asked me, and I honestlyI can't remember who, but but someone4700:03:43.400 --> 00:03:47.520said. You know, would youtalk about what do you feel about someone4800:03:47.639 --> 00:03:53.599coming onto a into the role asa volunteer on the sidewalk if they are4900:03:53.639 --> 00:03:59.520post aboard of and have not hadhealing? Right? And that is such5000:03:59.560 --> 00:04:05.639a good question, because so manypeople that enter sidewalk counseling do so because5100:04:05.879 --> 00:04:11.919they know the truth, because oftheir personal experience with abortion. Yeah,5200:04:11.960 --> 00:04:17.959and so, and it's such agood question also because we know that if5300:04:18.120 --> 00:04:24.360Satan is real, spiritual warfare outthere is intense. It is a very5400:04:24.399 --> 00:04:30.079difficult ministry. Yeah, and ifyou have not had he lean from your5500:04:30.120 --> 00:04:36.279own abortion, Satan canny you alive. Yeah. Yeah, the devil knows5600:04:36.319 --> 00:04:42.639which buttons to push, for sure, and healing actually removes those buttons.5700:04:42.759 --> 00:04:46.240Right when you got realing now toa degree. Yeah, I want to5800:04:46.240 --> 00:04:53.199mention, though, the reality secondCorinthians, verse seventeen. If anyone is5900:04:53.240 --> 00:04:56.399in Christ, he is a newcreation. Old Things have passed away.6000:04:56.480 --> 00:05:00.680Behold all things that become new.Right. So we believe in healing through6100:05:00.839 --> 00:05:05.079Jesus. We believe that your pastsins when you become a Christian are washed6200:05:05.079 --> 00:05:09.839away. You're no longer who youused to be. Right. So we6300:05:09.879 --> 00:05:14.399believe that and there's a certain amountof healing. If you have abortion in6400:05:14.439 --> 00:05:17.839your past, for sure, nodoubt you've been forgiven and a certain amount6500:05:17.879 --> 00:05:24.199of healing has been applied. ButI will say that the Lord really wants6600:05:24.199 --> 00:05:27.759to get into the depths of thosewounds and bring healings. And we talked6700:05:27.759 --> 00:05:31.439about post aboard of healing. We'retalking about getting into a study. Surrendering6800:05:31.480 --> 00:05:34.519the secret is one of those studies. There's others. I don't forgiven and6900:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.560set for you think, is anotherone. Stephanie Rhinehart, whose local here7000:05:40.560 --> 00:05:46.199in Charlotte, runs the post aboardof healing sort of area of ministry for7100:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.959Love Life called restored life, andwhat she does as she networks with other7200:05:50.000 --> 00:05:55.839post aboard of healing ministries, organizationsand Bible studies across the nation and gets7300:05:55.839 --> 00:05:59.680people plugged into the one that shethinks would best suit them right. And7400:05:59.720 --> 00:06:03.439she will tell you that, yes, you receive healing when you become a7500:06:03.560 --> 00:06:09.639Christian, but those wounds, thosepast wounds, don't truly get taken care7600:06:09.720 --> 00:06:12.480of until you bring that stuff tothe light, because the devil's going to7700:06:12.600 --> 00:06:15.959use that stuff in your past tobring it back up to you to bring7800:06:15.959 --> 00:06:18.959guilt and shame, to neutralize you. It's going to be a button the7900:06:19.000 --> 00:06:24.920devil can push in your life andif you go through this healing process,8000:06:25.759 --> 00:06:28.920that button can be removed. Thedevil can't push that but anymore because you8100:06:28.920 --> 00:06:32.319brought it to the light. That'sright. So what makes this a very8200:06:32.360 --> 00:06:38.120interesting topic with me being a cohoston this, is that I did not8300:06:38.160 --> 00:06:42.680do that. I did not haveI did come to the Lord. I8400:06:42.680 --> 00:06:46.759came to the Lord thirty five yearsago, I think it's been now.8500:06:46.040 --> 00:06:51.439But but I did not have anykind of post aboard of healing. Yeah,8600:06:51.680 --> 00:06:57.240program no, no program and andso I wanted to tell my story8700:06:57.399 --> 00:07:01.360a little bit, just just aboutthe as I came onto the sidewalk,8800:07:01.399 --> 00:07:09.879because I do want to raise thethought that it is possible to do what8900:07:09.959 --> 00:07:15.240I did. Yeah, it's notrecommended. I will tell you that's I'll9000:07:15.279 --> 00:07:18.800spoil the ending. It's not recommendedand and you'll see why when I tell9100:07:18.879 --> 00:07:24.959my story. But but it ispossible. So I came, I started9200:07:25.000 --> 00:07:27.800ten years ago, about ten yearsago, it's nine and a half,9300:07:27.839 --> 00:07:31.560something like that, on the sidewalkand I had not told anyone about my9400:07:31.639 --> 00:07:39.399own abortion, including my children.So I came because of that abortion.9500:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.079Probably that's why I was probably attractedin the first place to this ministry.9600:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.160But but I had not told anyoneand I was actually on the sidewalk.9700:07:48.199 --> 00:07:57.079I think it was five years beforeI god was so incredibly gentle with me,9800:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.480but he never let me off thehook. He kept telling me that9900:08:00.519 --> 00:08:05.959I did need to to talk aboutmy own experience with the people I worked10000:08:05.000 --> 00:08:11.920with and with my family. Yeah, and and in that five years when10100:08:11.959 --> 00:08:18.639no one knew, he used me. I mean I was mightily used by10200:08:18.639 --> 00:08:22.480God. I'd be astounded by whatGod was doing, by the miracles I'd10300:08:22.480 --> 00:08:26.000seen, by the lives that weresaved, and I don't know why.10400:08:26.079 --> 00:08:33.720Yeah, but I will tell youit came at enormous cost. Enormous cost.10500:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.559Every area of my life was underattack by Satan, and I mean10600:08:39.679 --> 00:08:45.879everything, health, finances, marriage, children, everything. Yeah, my10700:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.399my parents just really there. Therewas not an untouched area of my life10800:08:50.399 --> 00:08:56.960and it was devastating in every oneof those areas. Yeah. So the10900:08:56.000 --> 00:09:01.039only thing looking back that still floorsme as why I didn't give up.11000:09:01.080 --> 00:09:05.320I don't know, other than Ilove the Lord and I hated Satan so11100:09:05.480 --> 00:09:09.320much I wasn't going to give himthe victory. Yeah, but I think11200:09:09.399 --> 00:09:16.519that it was it was a heavyprice to pay. Yeah, would I11300:09:16.559 --> 00:09:20.519have still gone through that had Igone through an abortion healing program I don't11400:09:20.519 --> 00:09:26.600know, but ultimately I did.God finally convinced me. I did tell11500:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.320my family first, and then Itold you, all the people I work11600:09:30.360 --> 00:09:33.720with, and then I then Iwent very public. Yeah, and now11700:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.759you know. It's totally out inthe open and one of the hardest things11800:09:37.759 --> 00:09:41.639for people like in my situation andfor any post aboard of women who is11900:09:41.679 --> 00:09:46.440ministering on the sidewalk, honestly,is going to be the the socalled pro12000:09:46.559 --> 00:09:50.480choice people. Yeah, and howthey will attack, call you a hypocrite,12100:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.080whatever, right and say you hadan abortion wise and it okay for12200:09:54.120 --> 00:09:58.960everyone else to have an abortion.So there is no doubt, when I12300:09:58.960 --> 00:10:03.480finally did release that burden, andI did go through an online post aboard12400:10:03.480 --> 00:10:09.480of healing program at that point aswell, that I really was released to12500:10:09.879 --> 00:10:15.360be fully free to do what Godhad called me to do on the sidewalk.12600:10:15.879 --> 00:10:20.120So I think the wiser thing forpeople to do is go through the12700:10:20.120 --> 00:10:24.919post aboard of healing first. Yeah, yeah, or maybe in conjunction right12800:10:24.960 --> 00:10:28.919with as your ministring on the sidewalk. Yeah, but there were some things12900:10:30.039 --> 00:10:35.240said in in this article that thatI that we talked about that, no13000:10:35.279 --> 00:10:41.840matter which path you take, thatare some key things, yeah, that13100:10:41.320 --> 00:10:46.879you need to do. Let mejust pipe in real quick and encourage those13200:10:46.879 --> 00:10:48.799who are listening who may have anabortion in your past. Maybe you haven't13300:10:48.799 --> 00:10:54.519shared that. There's a temptation withVicki sharing her story about how she stepped13400:10:54.519 --> 00:10:58.360out into the sidewalk and God usedher mighty even in spite of the fact13500:10:58.399 --> 00:11:01.120that she never brought this thing tothe light. Temptation to say, well,13600:11:01.159 --> 00:11:05.679if she could do it, Ican do it. It's very unwise13700:11:05.840 --> 00:11:09.480to presume upon God's mercy in thatway. Yeah, and God's grace,13800:11:09.559 --> 00:11:13.879like, why was his grace onVicki, even in spite of that and13900:11:13.919 --> 00:11:18.080even though the devil had a footholdin certain in a certain way, yeah,14000:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.120she still had victory of that.WHO KNOWS WHY? God gave her14100:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.639the grace and God may give youthe grace, same grace that he gave14200:11:26.639 --> 00:11:31.120her, but he also may not. I don't know why God operates the14300:11:31.120 --> 00:11:37.360way that he does. But I'lltell you it's wisdom to just not give14400:11:37.399 --> 00:11:39.360the devil a foothold, to notgive the devil an angle. And I14500:11:39.360 --> 00:11:43.440can tell you if you have anabortion in your past and you're you're not14600:11:43.480 --> 00:11:48.279sharing it with other people because you'reafraid of how they're going to view you14700:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.919or how they're going to you knowwhatever, I can tell you that is14800:11:52.960 --> 00:11:56.879a lie from the flesh and fromthe devil. The people around you that14900:11:56.960 --> 00:12:01.039love you are going to love youno matter what's in your past. Yeah,15000:12:01.080 --> 00:12:05.519and we should, yes, weshould be ashamed of the decisions that15100:12:05.559 --> 00:12:11.240we made in the past, butif we're truly in Christ, then we're15200:12:11.279 --> 00:12:13.639no longer that that person. Whatwas the thing? Maybe it's in your15300:12:13.720 --> 00:12:20.120article where there's a guy on lawand sharing about how some wicked people are15400:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.240saying wicked things about him and hispath, and he's like, it's like15500:12:22.279 --> 00:12:26.080they're throwing rocks at a house thatI don't live in anymore. Oh,15600:12:26.200 --> 00:12:28.360that's so great, and I itisn't in the article, but I'm glad15700:12:28.399 --> 00:12:33.080you remembered that because high to thisday, I heard that, I don't15800:12:33.080 --> 00:12:37.120know, a few months ago andto this day, on every morning I15900:12:37.159 --> 00:12:41.600walk and it's my time with God, and almost every morning I'll revisit something16000:12:41.639 --> 00:12:46.759in my head about something that Godis either further revealing to me or I'm16100:12:46.799 --> 00:12:52.759remembering from from my past. AndSatan uses that right away to cause me16200:12:52.840 --> 00:12:56.080to cry, to be discouraged,to think I can't do what I'm called16300:12:56.120 --> 00:13:01.960to do because I'm such a pitiful, wicked, horrible scum of humanity.16400:13:01.000 --> 00:13:07.639And I will remember. Stop It. You're throwing rocks at a house I16500:13:07.679 --> 00:13:13.480don't live in anymore, that isno longer my home, and and I16600:13:13.679 --> 00:13:18.600and we are made new. Youstarted off saying that we are made new16700:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.919in the Lord as believers in Jesus. So we are made new and and16800:13:24.360 --> 00:13:31.000we can overcome because Jesus has overcomeour past and we can use it for16900:13:31.080 --> 00:13:35.679good. What Satan meant for evil, we can't. We can use for17000:13:35.759 --> 00:13:37.960good. But also going back toyou, saying, well, God was17100:13:39.000 --> 00:13:43.240able to use me anyway. Buthere the warning. I mean I was17200:13:43.279 --> 00:13:46.879diagnosed with breast cancer, my parentswere both put into a nursing home.17300:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.559Both of my dogs side of cancer. We lost all of our savings,17400:13:50.600 --> 00:13:54.000we had struggles in our family.That that, you know, the the17500:13:54.000 --> 00:14:01.759repercussion still reverberate to this day.There were there were things I would not17600:14:01.799 --> 00:14:07.679wish on anyone. Yeah, thatthat I went through and and so be17700:14:07.840 --> 00:14:13.320very, very careful. If thatin general, kind of the bottom line17800:14:13.480 --> 00:14:18.799is that I would say get thathealing first. And I would say also17900:14:18.799 --> 00:14:24.200a danger if you go on tothe sidewalk and you have not told your18000:14:24.240 --> 00:14:28.840family or your friends, but oneday you speak it to a mom because18100:14:28.000 --> 00:14:33.000you your heart is telling you thatmom needs to hear it to choose life.18200:14:33.159 --> 00:14:35.600Yeah, it will get out there. Yeah, and do you want18300:14:35.799 --> 00:14:39.519someone else to tell your family oryour friends, or do you want it18400:14:39.559 --> 00:14:43.759to be through the lens of whatyou went through and your own mouth?18500:14:43.799 --> 00:14:50.320Yeah, telling. Yeah. Sothere are big dangers if if you do18600:14:50.360 --> 00:14:56.360not get healing first and go public. Yeah, first. I think that's18700:14:56.440 --> 00:14:58.840the main thing, is just havingthis out in the open, right,18800:15:00.399 --> 00:15:03.559bringing it to the light. Yes, this scripture, first John comes to18900:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.960mind, first Shawn, and chapterone, verse five. It starts.19000:15:07.960 --> 00:15:11.799This is the message which we haveheard from him and declare to you that19100:15:11.840 --> 00:15:15.240God is light and in him isno darkness at all. If we say19200:15:15.279 --> 00:15:18.240that we have fellowship with him andwalk in darkness, we lie and did19300:15:18.320 --> 00:15:20.720not practice the truth. But ifwe walk in the light, as he's19400:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.159in the light, we have fellowshipwith one another. In the blood of19500:15:24.200 --> 00:15:28.240Jesus Christ, his son, cleansesus from all sin. This principle of19600:15:28.240 --> 00:15:33.840walking in the light is not aprinciple of walking in sinless perfection and never19700:15:33.879 --> 00:15:39.879messing up. It's a principle ofbringing things to the light. And notice19800:15:41.000 --> 00:15:45.600that it talks about reconciliation that comesfrom walking in the light, reconciliation with19900:15:45.759 --> 00:15:52.039God, but also reconciliation with others. Says the blood of Jesus Christis son,20000:15:52.200 --> 00:15:54.639cleanse us from all same we walkin the light. Verse Seven.20100:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.519If we walk in the lights,he's in the light. We have fellowship20200:15:58.559 --> 00:16:02.039with one another and the blood ofJesus Christ, his son, cleanses us20300:16:02.080 --> 00:16:04.759from all sins. So blood ofJesus Christ cleanse us from all sins.20400:16:04.759 --> 00:16:08.480Speaking about reconciliation with God, butbefore that we have fellowship with one another.20500:16:08.480 --> 00:16:15.519Speaks of reconciliation with our brothers andsisters. And sometimes, if you20600:16:15.600 --> 00:16:18.000have sin in your past that you'venot brought to the light, that doesn't20700:16:18.039 --> 00:16:22.200mean we need to get into allthe gordy details of our life, but20800:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.320if there are things we know inthe past the devil's trying to use to20900:16:25.360 --> 00:16:29.600define us, a lot of timesthat will break fellowship with other people,21000:16:29.639 --> 00:16:33.080will disconnected from other people, willfeel it's hard to connect with people because21100:16:33.240 --> 00:16:37.600they really don't understand me. Thereason why is because those things likely have21200:16:37.679 --> 00:16:41.039not been brought to the light.Fellowship is broken, there's a sense of21300:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.879disunity, and so I think thatcould definitely I don't I can't speak for21400:16:45.879 --> 00:16:51.080how you felt why you're on thesidewalk those years where you never shared this,21500:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.559but I would guess there was asense of disunity, almost a sense21600:16:53.600 --> 00:16:59.399of dishonesty, like I'm holding somethingback from absolutely absolutely I remember when I21700:16:59.440 --> 00:17:03.039first told you, yeah, andand Elijah and some of the other leaders21800:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.400had on the sidewalk. I said, I'm I'm so sorry that I didn't.21900:17:07.599 --> 00:17:10.200I should have told you sooner.I should have. There was so22000:17:10.359 --> 00:17:15.759much guilt and kind of a flipside of that is I mean you are22100:17:15.839 --> 00:17:18.279kind of living a lie. Yeah, I hear I am telling people don't22200:17:18.319 --> 00:17:22.319have an abortion, but I'm notadmitting that I had. It's a very22300:17:22.359 --> 00:17:27.519different place of ministry when you've admittedit and you're saying you know, I22400:17:27.599 --> 00:17:33.279know that what you're going to gothrough because I've done it and I wouldn't22500:17:33.279 --> 00:17:37.799wish it on anyone. But theother side of that is there can be22600:17:37.839 --> 00:17:44.720this veneer of perfection. There's nothingwrong with me, I have got it22700:17:44.920 --> 00:17:49.200all together, and my children certainlysaw that. That's what they saw,22800:17:49.400 --> 00:17:55.680someone who will at least claim tobe pretty perfect. Yeah, and when22900:17:55.720 --> 00:18:02.480I told them, I think itopened a whole new understanding, an ability23000:18:02.599 --> 00:18:06.359to relate to me. Oh,you know, she really messed up.23100:18:06.359 --> 00:18:11.400She's way more human. Yeah,and we realize, and I actually think23200:18:11.480 --> 00:18:15.680it it helped our relationship bridge thedivide. That's right. It helps bring23300:18:15.680 --> 00:18:21.599fellowship, right, yeah, youfellowship as believers in Jesus, around the23400:18:21.640 --> 00:18:23.720fact that we've all been redeemed bythe blood of the lamb, that we've23500:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.000all royally screwed up, yes,in our lives, varying degrees and in23600:18:29.119 --> 00:18:33.839varying ways. Yeah, and wehave that in common. We all really23700:18:33.880 --> 00:18:38.039screwed up, right, but there'sa God who redeems and heals royal screw23800:18:38.119 --> 00:18:41.799ups. That's right, and thenturns us into royalty. That's right,23900:18:41.839 --> 00:18:45.680that's right, beautiful. You should, you should coin that. That was24000:18:45.799 --> 00:18:48.359very much coin is good. It'swrite a book. So I think this24100:18:48.519 --> 00:18:55.599is a very important paragraph in inthe article that we wrote because, as24200:18:55.640 --> 00:18:57.559the person who asked me, Ibelieve, if I'm remember correctly, as24300:18:57.640 --> 00:19:02.759a leader who's thinking. So yesor no? Do we do we let24400:19:02.799 --> 00:19:07.839these women with post abortive passed onwomen now say, and men to and24500:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.160men, because there's men with unconfessedabortions in their past. They did not24600:19:11.200 --> 00:19:15.400obviously have the abortion themselves, butthey contributed in in whatever way. They24700:19:15.240 --> 00:19:18.680coerced, they drove her, whatever, it's their baby. Then yes,24800:19:18.759 --> 00:19:23.480they need healing as well. SoI do think it is possible. Like24900:19:23.519 --> 00:19:29.319I said, it was possible withme and as I look back, I25000:19:29.359 --> 00:19:32.599mean, I'd be mine if Ididn't say this. I think being on25100:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.279the sidewalk was instrumental in part ofmy healing. Yeah, so would I25200:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.400deny that to someone else? No, I would not, but I do25300:19:41.680 --> 00:19:47.880think, with my experience now,I think that there are key elements in25400:19:47.920 --> 00:19:52.400place, or that should be inplace, for anyone in Ministry who's a25500:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.440ministry leader. As they're looking at, should I allow this person to be25600:19:56.480 --> 00:19:59.599a part of our team or not? Yeah, and so I want to25700:19:59.640 --> 00:20:03.480go over those because I think they'rereally important. First of all, first25800:20:03.519 --> 00:20:07.279and foremost, the person, womanor man, needs to be a strong25900:20:07.319 --> 00:20:11.160believer in the Lord. There canbe no doubt in your mind. If26000:20:11.200 --> 00:20:15.519it's a post aboard of woman andshe's a brand new believer, I would26100:20:15.519 --> 00:20:19.000say for sure she should go throughhealing first. Yeah, they need to26200:20:19.000 --> 00:20:25.519be a strong and probably established believerin the Lord. I think that's maybe26300:20:25.519 --> 00:20:27.880what got me through what I wentthrough. I had been walking with the26400:20:27.880 --> 00:20:33.000Lord for thirty years. Yeah,so fully abiding and in in the Lord.26500:20:33.039 --> 00:20:38.480I think that's absolutely important. Sheneeds to have regular and very intentional26600:20:38.519 --> 00:20:42.720devotional time alone with God. That'strue for all of us. Yeah,26700:20:42.720 --> 00:20:48.079but I think it's doubly true forsomeone who is saying I haven't yet gone26800:20:48.079 --> 00:20:52.079through a healing program but I reallywant to be on the sidewalk. Yeah,26900:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.119talk with her and find out whatis. What is her time with27000:20:55.240 --> 00:21:00.599the Lord look correct? Yeah,she needs to be in a strongly supportive27100:21:00.960 --> 00:21:07.319church, yeah, with accountability tothat Church, critical, strongly you know,27200:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.759a local church. Must be ina local church. She does need27300:21:12.799 --> 00:21:18.440the support of her family and theymust have knowledge of her past. That27400:21:18.519 --> 00:21:22.880was a huge mistake from me thatI that I had not gone public.27500:21:22.920 --> 00:21:27.680Some of my family knew, butbut most did not, because it you're27600:21:27.720 --> 00:21:32.480always living in fear. Then outon the sidewalk, who's going to tell27700:21:32.519 --> 00:21:37.440my family? Who's going to discover? And you cannot minister out of a27800:21:37.480 --> 00:21:41.759place of fear. Right. Ifall those elements, and I mean all27900:21:41.799 --> 00:21:45.839of those, are not in place, then I would recommend to anyone in28000:21:45.880 --> 00:21:51.640a leadership position don't have that personon the sidewalk yet. Have them go28100:21:51.720 --> 00:21:56.440through a healing program first. Yeah, and if those elements are in place,28200:21:56.519 --> 00:22:02.240then I'd say then you know,find out does this woman really know28300:22:02.480 --> 00:22:06.400about fighting spiritual battle, how tofight it well, the spiritual armor of28400:22:06.400 --> 00:22:10.079God and all that kind of stuff, and if she if she is going28500:22:10.119 --> 00:22:15.319to be on their watch her closelyand have a personal accountability person that she28600:22:15.359 --> 00:22:23.000goes to, that you are incontact with discussing how everything is going in28700:22:23.039 --> 00:22:30.400her life. I think had youknown everything and known all that that was28800:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.640happening to me, you probably wouldhave told me step back. Yeah,28900:22:33.200 --> 00:22:40.759and that might have been wife advice. Yeah. Yeah, so the encouragement29000:22:40.920 --> 00:22:47.000is then, as leaders, aswe're talking about just the the things that29100:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.839those who are leading have in theirpast and of course, in particular we're29200:22:49.880 --> 00:22:56.839talking about abortion. But all ofthis stems from a desire as leaders,29300:22:56.880 --> 00:23:00.880for us to do what is rightfor those who were leading. So we're29400:23:00.920 --> 00:23:03.920not just talking about punishing people thathave an abortion in their past, but29500:23:03.960 --> 00:23:07.119not letting them come out on thesidewalk until they get some kind of post29600:23:07.119 --> 00:23:11.240aboard of healing. We're talking aboutas leaders, we have a vested interest29700:23:11.279 --> 00:23:18.160in doing right by them. Yeah, putting them out on the front lines29800:23:18.200 --> 00:23:22.119of a battle whenever there's like,you know, there's some stuff in their29900:23:22.200 --> 00:23:27.559past that really hasn't been taken careof yet. It's not good for them.30000:23:27.640 --> 00:23:30.680Right, right. It'd be likeputting someone, and I don't mean30100:23:30.720 --> 00:23:33.559to say that having an abortion inyour past is a handicap, but it'd30200:23:33.559 --> 00:23:38.400be like putting someone with a handicapon the front line of a real battle30300:23:38.440 --> 00:23:41.640and put a sword in their hand. Yeah, it's like, well,30400:23:41.640 --> 00:23:45.559they're not equipped until that handicap istaken care of. Yeah, to really30500:23:45.559 --> 00:23:48.559fight this battle effectively. So wehave to be discerning as leaders. No,30600:23:48.680 --> 00:23:53.079one of the things that we've saidis that we're not requiring people that30700:23:53.119 --> 00:23:56.640people absolutely have to go through postaboard of healing if they have an abortion30800:23:56.680 --> 00:24:02.480in their past to be on thesidewalk, but we do ask that they30900:24:02.559 --> 00:24:06.599have a conversation with Stephanie just soshe can kind of assess where they're at31000:24:06.640 --> 00:24:11.640and get them information, to takeadvantage of a post aboard of Healing Bible31100:24:11.720 --> 00:24:15.119study just to give the information tothem. So we're asking for them to31200:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.960do that, for them to talkwith Stephanie her assess where they're at and31300:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.920then, you know, if theystart that post aboard of healing process,31400:24:22.960 --> 00:24:26.359they can come out on the sidewalkeven in the midst of that process.31500:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.079Some people have chosen to go throughthe entire process before they go out on31600:24:30.119 --> 00:24:33.960the sidewalk. I think that's wisdom. Yeah, we can't say, no31700:24:33.000 --> 00:24:37.200one can say exactly what's the rightformula, but what we can say is31800:24:37.240 --> 00:24:41.200here's here's some of what we've seen. Here's some of the best things.31900:24:41.200 --> 00:24:44.799Like God can use all kinds ofthings. God used your story, even32000:24:44.799 --> 00:24:48.519though you didn't get post aboard ofhealing before. God's used you and he's32100:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.000using you tremendously. But just becauseGod uses someone else in a certain way32200:24:52.039 --> 00:24:56.400doesn't necessarily mean he's going to useyou in the same way. Hey,32300:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.880so we just have to use wisdomand apply why is principles, I think32400:25:00.920 --> 00:25:06.119post aboard of healing and getting pluggedin to a ministry light, restored life,32500:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.119and it's want to put a plugreal quick for Stephanie Ron Hart,32600:25:08.160 --> 00:25:12.480because if you go on our website, Love Life Dot Org, restored life,32700:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.319that's where you can get connected withStephanie. Maybe you have an abortion32800:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.240in your past or someone who hasan abortion in their past that you're connected32900:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.319with. Maybe you're a leader andyou want to get someone that's serving connected.33000:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.759That would be the way to doit, and Stephanie's Great. She33100:25:26.839 --> 00:25:30.039has so many connections with post aboardof healing. She's got such a heart33200:25:30.119 --> 00:25:37.480for this and just a wisdom tospeak to this this issue unlike anyone else.33300:25:37.559 --> 00:25:40.960Yeah, I'm not on that line. I'd like to tell a quick,33400:25:40.960 --> 00:25:44.880brief little story, because I havementioned her earlier on and some of33500:25:44.880 --> 00:25:48.960our podcast, about the woman whocontacted me post aboard of and was suicidal.33600:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.640Yeah, and I was counseling herfor a couple of months and she33700:25:52.720 --> 00:25:59.079was suicidal throughout that time period.I actually did connect her with Stephanie and33800:25:59.079 --> 00:26:03.039and she that woman is now,I would say, free. I mean33900:26:03.079 --> 00:26:07.640she she had a very strong salvationexperience. She told me she recently.34000:26:07.799 --> 00:26:12.359She is doing fine. She saidshe has been healed. Jesus has healed34100:26:12.440 --> 00:26:17.079her. But I do think thatpart of that, what was pivotal in34200:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.960that, was the discussion with Stephanie. Yeah, and I think that is34300:26:22.000 --> 00:26:26.599just such a wise and good idea. Connect with Stephanie. Yeah, if34400:26:26.680 --> 00:26:30.720you're one of the leaders, certainlyin love life, if you've got a34500:26:30.839 --> 00:26:34.240question about having someone beyond the sidewalk, have them connect with her. Yeah,34600:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.960yeah, that's good. Yeah.Well, with that I think we'll34700:26:37.000 --> 00:26:41.519wrap this episode up. Hopefully itwas a blessing you, guys. We34800:26:41.640 --> 00:26:45.799encourage you to reach out to usif you have comments about this episode or34900:26:45.799 --> 00:26:48.319suggestions for future episodes. We'd loveto hear from you. You can reach35000:26:48.319 --> 00:26:52.400out to me, Daniel at LoveLife Dot Org. 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