Sharing the Gospel at an Abortion Center-Unique Challenges

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.759I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me,200:00:06.120 --> 00:00:11.029Lord, I am yours. Welcometo the Gospel Center per life podcast.300:00:11.429 --> 00:00:14.750This episode, Vicki and out talkabout the unique challenges of sharing the400:00:14.830 --> 00:00:19.910Gospel at an abortion center and howto biblically overcome those challenges. Stay with500:00:20.030 --> 00:00:33.380us. I felt show passish touchsyour home. Use me he there.600:00:33.780 --> 00:00:38.929Welcome to the Gospel centered pro lifepodcast. I'm here with Daniel Parks.700:00:39.649 --> 00:00:44.689Today. We are going to talkabout the unique challenges of sharing the Gospel800:00:44.729 --> 00:00:49.289at an abortion center, because itis unique. It's not like sharing the900:00:49.329 --> 00:00:54.759Gospel at Walmart or at your localflea market, hanging out track to the1000:00:54.759 --> 00:01:00.759flea market's right, and it hassome unique challenges and we've really discovered that1100:01:00.039 --> 00:01:06.269in our years being out there.Yeah, that that there are some typical1200:01:06.349 --> 00:01:14.950rationalizations, justifications that you hear andthat you honestly can make matters worse by1300:01:15.909 --> 00:01:19.859what you decide to share with thewomen and you have to became even even1400:01:21.140 --> 00:01:25.540some tombs of the timing. Wedid a podcast some months ago about the1500:01:25.620 --> 00:01:30.180message of forgiveness and that there's areal need for us to think through our1600:01:30.260 --> 00:01:33.650timing as we're talking about forgiveness andthose sort of things. Of course the1700:01:33.689 --> 00:01:38.450Gospel includes the forgiveness of sin.So there are some challenges. There's some1800:01:38.569 --> 00:01:42.489timing issues we need to talk about, some wording issues, some some some1900:01:42.650 --> 00:01:48.000things that will confront in front ofan abortion center that we might not confront2000:01:48.040 --> 00:01:51.599and other scenarios when we're sharing theGospel. It's sound like the Gospel changes.2100:01:51.719 --> 00:01:55.879The Gospel doesn't. The Gospel isthe same yesterday, today and tomorrow.2200:01:56.000 --> 00:02:00.760The Gospel doesn't change, but thesituations in which you are presenting the2300:02:00.879 --> 00:02:06.109Gospel Do. Yeah, and Paulwas all things tall people and he learned2400:02:06.629 --> 00:02:12.229to look at the circumstances of thepeople to whom he was addressing and he2500:02:12.349 --> 00:02:16.860would alter his presentation based upon thatand he was obviously very successful. Yeah,2600:02:16.979 --> 00:02:21.460I think that is our goal.Yeah, first and foremost, I'll2700:02:21.860 --> 00:02:24.860just touch real quick on the necessityof the Gospel. Oh, that's a2800:02:24.939 --> 00:02:29.539great point. This is the GospelCenter, per life podcast, and we2900:02:29.860 --> 00:02:32.409always have to Change Our Name andthat we were certainly don't want to Change3000:02:32.409 --> 00:02:37.169Our Name and we don't want togo move away from the necessity of the3100:02:37.250 --> 00:02:43.169Gospel. Right understanding Romans Sixteen tellsus that the Gospel is the power of3200:02:43.289 --> 00:02:49.759God to salvation. We can't inventenough good strategies and ideas to trick people3300:02:49.800 --> 00:02:52.960into, you know, doing whatGod wants them to do. Know it's3400:02:53.000 --> 00:02:57.719the power of the Gospel and inthe Holy Spirit changing a human heart.3500:02:58.120 --> 00:03:00.870So I want to encourage all ofyou guys, because we can slip into3600:03:00.870 --> 00:03:04.789a mode we're involved in a ministrylike prolife ministry, we're really dealing with3700:03:05.030 --> 00:03:09.830life and death. We can slipinto like a humanitarian effort mode and neglect3800:03:09.870 --> 00:03:14.539the Gospel, make it a sideissue, make the Gospel something we kind3900:03:14.539 --> 00:03:17.020attack on at the end. Andthere are times when we can't just get4000:03:17.099 --> 00:03:21.180right to the Gospel. We aredealing with life and death and we need4100:03:21.300 --> 00:03:23.819to. Of course, everything wesay is seasoned with the Gospel, but4200:03:23.939 --> 00:03:29.490that we might need to address certainissues at this mom is facing and then4300:03:29.610 --> 00:03:31.650share the gospel. But it's notsomething we're just doing as a side issue.4400:03:31.889 --> 00:03:36.250The Gospel. It's got a seasoneverything that we do and it's got4500:03:36.330 --> 00:03:38.610to be ultimately, where we're gettingto with all of our conversations is what4600:03:38.770 --> 00:03:43.479God has done for lost human beingsto rescue and to save them from their4700:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.919sin. Right. And I thinkI've heard many people say, well,4800:03:46.360 --> 00:03:52.560the Gospel really is simple. Well, it is, yeah, but we4900:03:52.639 --> 00:03:58.669don't want to become lazy in howwe present the simplicity of the Gospel,5000:03:58.710 --> 00:04:02.710because there are times that we makeit so simple that it becomes twisted and5100:04:02.750 --> 00:04:06.189rationalized in their mind. That's whatthey're doing. For example, the message5200:04:06.189 --> 00:04:10.740of forgiveness. Well, God willforgive us. That's the simple truth and5300:04:10.900 --> 00:04:13.539therefore it's okay for me to godo whatever I want to do. And5400:04:13.620 --> 00:04:16.860we know, certainly there's biblical proofthat. No, that is not right5500:04:17.139 --> 00:04:23.459accurate. So let's just maybe jumpright into us do it. The typical5600:04:23.620 --> 00:04:26.889rationalizations that we that we face.I wrote an article, as I often5700:04:26.930 --> 00:04:30.569do, as we're kind of organizingour thoughts here, and there are some5800:04:30.769 --> 00:04:35.449things that we have seen over andover and over again that are twisted rationalizations.5900:04:35.769 --> 00:04:42.519Using the Gospel to justify killing theirbabies. Yeah, so one of6000:04:42.560 --> 00:04:46.319the first ones. Number One,women claim to be believers as they plan6100:04:46.680 --> 00:04:50.240their babies death. Yeah, wehear it over and over again, certainly6200:04:50.240 --> 00:04:53.990in the Bible Belt. Absolutely.Yeah, you know, I'm going to6300:04:54.029 --> 00:04:57.310go and do this and God's goingto forgive me. There's this mentality that6400:04:57.629 --> 00:05:00.629somehow God is beholden to us,a is human beings, and he's got6500:05:00.709 --> 00:05:03.149to forgive us. Right, because, after all, that's what he was6600:05:03.269 --> 00:05:06.180created for, to forgive us andmake us feel better about ourselves. That's6700:05:06.220 --> 00:05:11.259the mentality. Yeah, and thereality, scripturally, is that we were6800:05:11.420 --> 00:05:15.500created for him, by him,that we're beholding to him. He's not6900:05:15.620 --> 00:05:19.139beholding to us. And God doesit have to forgive anyone for anything.7000:05:19.180 --> 00:05:24.129Right he he's not like some geniethat if you just do this magic formula,7100:05:24.209 --> 00:05:28.529somehow you're forgiven. It's more thatsomehow you do that magic formula and7200:05:28.610 --> 00:05:30.490you're a believer. Yeah, and, and in many cases that's what they're7300:05:30.490 --> 00:05:36.800saying. I'm I'm a believer andyou can't tell me I'm I'm not right.7400:05:38.920 --> 00:05:43.199And and the fact that I'm goingin to kill my child does not7500:05:43.560 --> 00:05:48.519demonstrate that my faith is not realor that my belief is not real.7600:05:49.069 --> 00:05:57.829And our point in pointing out thatthat maybe they are not believers is not7700:05:58.750 --> 00:06:06.139to to condemn or to to makethem feel that they are less of a7800:06:06.300 --> 00:06:11.860person than we are, but topoint out that if they are believers,7900:06:12.180 --> 00:06:15.180they won't kill their baby. Yeah, they will do what what, what8000:06:15.339 --> 00:06:17.459God says. So I've got agood verse for them. This is a8100:06:17.500 --> 00:06:24.930verse that I think directs, directlyaddresses this and and one that you can8200:06:24.970 --> 00:06:27.850use if you have someone who's saying, well, I'm Jesus, is my8300:06:28.050 --> 00:06:30.410Lord and you can't tell me he'snot, and I'm going to go in8400:06:30.449 --> 00:06:33.040there and kill my baby and thenask forgiveness. Yeah, so it's from8500:06:33.079 --> 00:06:38.000James to fourteen to seventeen. It'sthe verse. You want to read it,8600:06:38.319 --> 00:06:42.120sure, just save my voice.Yeah, what good is it,8700:06:42.439 --> 00:06:46.680my brothers, if someone says yes, faith but does not have works,8800:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.750can that faith save him? Ifa brother or sister is poorly clothed,8900:06:49.790 --> 00:06:54.470lacking daily food, and one ofyou says to them go in peace,9000:06:54.550 --> 00:06:57.629be warm and filled, without givingthem the things needed for the body,9100:06:57.990 --> 00:07:00.230what good is that? So also, faith by itself, if it does9200:07:00.310 --> 00:07:05.779not have works, is dead.Yeah, and so this scripture tells us9300:07:05.899 --> 00:07:12.300that if you say that you havefaith, yeah, that's faith. Actually9400:07:12.339 --> 00:07:15.970should be demonstrated in what you do. It's not real faith, it's not9500:07:16.009 --> 00:07:24.089a living faith unless it's demonstrated inwhat you actually do. And of course9600:07:24.209 --> 00:07:29.250the Bible does not teach a worksbased salvation. Salvation is not by works,9700:07:29.850 --> 00:07:33.160but the natural outflow of salvation,of true faith in God, is9800:07:33.560 --> 00:07:39.959works. You're going to do thingsthat correspond with faith in God. And9900:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.040if you're going to say that youhave faith and trust in God and yet10000:07:44.079 --> 00:07:48.029do something so egregious as killing yourchild, then you've demonstrated through your actions10100:07:48.310 --> 00:07:51.629that actually your faith is not real, it's not a substance of faith.10200:07:51.670 --> 00:07:59.620Yeah, and and for us asa Gospel Centered Ministry, it would be10300:07:59.819 --> 00:08:05.420doing a great disservice to women asthey go in or as they come out,10400:08:05.860 --> 00:08:09.860if they say I'm a believer,I put my faith in the Lord,10500:08:09.899 --> 00:08:13.889and yet they're on their third,fourth, fifth abortion and they'll probably10600:08:13.930 --> 00:08:16.529be back for a six. Thisis a false convert, this is not10700:08:16.850 --> 00:08:20.810someone who has submitted their life toGod. And so it is and I10800:08:20.889 --> 00:08:24.329think, very important to challenge that. Yeah, I don't think that.10900:08:24.569 --> 00:08:28.560I think it's easy for easier forus to sometimes say, well, they11000:08:28.560 --> 00:08:31.200said there a believer, yeah,and just accept that. But I don't11100:08:31.240 --> 00:08:35.080think that that is a loving thingto do. It's actually one of the11200:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.240for me personally. I'm not testimony. One of the most loving things that11300:08:39.399 --> 00:08:43.309someone did to me, I'm abrother, was actually to confront me and11400:08:43.429 --> 00:08:46.070say, Hey, man, yourlife doesn't line up with what you're saying.11500:08:46.149 --> 00:08:50.070I was a false convert for aboutthree years, claiming to be a11600:08:50.149 --> 00:08:54.190Christian, yet still doing the thingsI've always done. Didn't change one bit,11700:08:56.100 --> 00:08:58.340you know, still doing drugs andlying and I'll fornicating all the things11800:08:58.379 --> 00:09:01.659that I did before. And mybrother did the most loving thing that he11900:09:01.700 --> 00:09:05.259could have done. He Con Frontof me. He did a very graciously12000:09:05.700 --> 00:09:07.100and I think there's a way thatwe can do it very graciously. I12100:09:07.220 --> 00:09:13.090think when we confront some hypocrisy insomeone's life, we need to do it12200:09:13.169 --> 00:09:16.490with scripture. I'm a scriptural basis, not a based on our opinion.12300:09:16.690 --> 00:09:20.409My opinion is, if you're here, you should know the Bible says that12400:09:20.649 --> 00:09:22.570no murderer has eternal life in himself. Yeah, you can't be a Christian.12500:09:22.610 --> 00:09:26.279Murder is impossible. So to murderyour child and claim to be a12600:09:26.279 --> 00:09:31.559Christian or two incompatible things. Right. So either you're you're not a true12700:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.440Christian and your false convert, oryou are a true Christian and you're going12800:09:35.480 --> 00:09:39.190to turn away from murdering your child? That's right. And and and asking12900:09:39.350 --> 00:09:43.509lots of questions to help them cometo those conclusions after you've presented them with13000:09:43.590 --> 00:09:46.830the truth is, as we've saidin the past, a really good a13100:09:46.870 --> 00:09:50.190really good strategy for helping them toadmit, Hey, maybe I'm not a13200:09:50.350 --> 00:09:54.779believer. Yeah, Great Comfort doesthat in when people say I'm a good13300:09:54.860 --> 00:09:58.580person, I right. Just talkedwith the woman today, shared the Gospel13400:09:58.620 --> 00:10:01.779with the woman today who said shewas a good person. Nice. Well,13500:10:01.779 --> 00:10:03.980let me ask you some questions andI'll I'll answer them as well.13600:10:05.179 --> 00:10:07.730Have you ever told a lie?Have you ever stolen? Have you ever13700:10:07.850 --> 00:10:11.850fornicated? Have you ever taken theLord's name in vain? And by the13800:10:11.929 --> 00:10:15.210time I'm we finished with our listof questions, I said are you a13900:10:15.330 --> 00:10:18.529good person? And said, Iguess I'm really not. But she came14000:10:18.690 --> 00:10:24.440to that conclusion on her own andI think that that through targeted questions and14100:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.399I think that we can do thesame. I'm challenging people when they say14200:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.519I'm a Christian, rather than acceptingthat face value, because you will hear14300:10:31.559 --> 00:10:35.710it if you're on the sidewalk ofan abortion center. You will hear it14400:10:37.070 --> 00:10:39.350all the time, at least ifyou're in the south. Now again.14500:10:39.789 --> 00:10:45.509o. Our mentality has to beone of we're not just pointing these things14600:10:45.590 --> 00:10:48.549out, calling them unbelievers, tomake ourselves feel better, right, or14700:10:48.750 --> 00:10:52.179just to tear them down. Yes, because we can do this very graciously.14800:10:52.299 --> 00:10:56.860You can talk someone through and showthem what the Scripture says. Yeah,14900:10:56.100 --> 00:11:00.740and show them that they're they're actuallynot right with God, and you15000:11:00.779 --> 00:11:03.809can do it in such a waythere's very gracious, but forth right rather15100:11:03.889 --> 00:11:09.129than just you're not just blasting land, blasting them right with some certain trees15200:11:09.169 --> 00:11:11.450from the scripture. Yes, andI know for a fact that you do15300:11:11.730 --> 00:11:15.529that. You for sure do that, Daniel. I could use a little15400:11:15.529 --> 00:11:18.210work on it. I hammer themreally hard or I'm very great. You're15500:11:18.210 --> 00:11:22.000very gracious. You're very gracious.Okay. So the second one. Women15600:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.919claim that it and this is whatyou started alluding to earlier on. Women15700:11:24.960 --> 00:11:28.279claim that it is okay to abortsince God is a forgiving God. We15800:11:28.399 --> 00:11:33.870have dealt with that in absolute podcast, but I've heard over and over again.15900:11:33.870 --> 00:11:37.389I know it's wrong, but I'mgoing to do this because I know16000:11:37.750 --> 00:11:41.309God will forgive me. Yeah,yeah, and it's again. I think16100:11:41.309 --> 00:11:46.309you'd said it well. He saidyou're not really asking God for forgiveness.16200:11:46.429 --> 00:11:50.700You're trying to ask God for permissionto kill your child. God does not16300:11:50.820 --> 00:11:54.580grant us permission to disobey him.Yeah, yeah, it's not really about16400:11:54.580 --> 00:11:58.139forgiveness. Is a mentality and Pauladdresses it when he talks about those who16500:11:58.259 --> 00:12:03.529take the mercy of God for granted. They take the grace of God as16600:12:03.610 --> 00:12:07.450a license for sin. Right,and it proves that they don't know the16700:12:07.570 --> 00:12:11.330Lord, they have not had atrue encounter with this holy, Holy,16800:12:11.490 --> 00:12:16.200Holy God. And that's in Romanssix, one did one through fourteen,16900:12:16.440 --> 00:12:18.919but a where he says, whatshall we say then? Are We to17000:12:18.000 --> 00:12:22.080continue in sin? That grace mayabound, may by no means how can17100:12:22.159 --> 00:12:24.759we who died to sin still livein it? And that's a great verse17200:12:24.879 --> 00:12:28.799to to mention to mom who saysI'm going to go in because I know17300:12:28.919 --> 00:12:33.990that God, God will forgive me. Yeah, in those situations too,17400:12:33.149 --> 00:12:37.029it's good, I think, andI think it's very biblical to use analogies17500:12:37.990 --> 00:12:41.909to say well, if I toldyou that, you know your way for17600:12:43.509 --> 00:12:46.179the weekend and I'm going to breakin your house and steal all your stuff.17700:12:46.419 --> 00:12:50.059Yeah, but you're going to forgiveme because you're a forgiving person.17800:12:50.179 --> 00:12:52.620Would you be okay with that?Right? What I be a person that17900:12:52.700 --> 00:12:56.139would receive your forgiveness? Yeah,of course not. Right. I'm planning18000:12:56.980 --> 00:13:01.129in my own wicked heart to doevil and then, because you're nice,18100:13:01.289 --> 00:13:03.809you're going to forgive me. Right. How's that going to work out for18200:13:03.929 --> 00:13:05.809me? Not too good. Right, and suffer consequence. Right, and18300:13:05.889 --> 00:13:09.490stories are great, and that thatdoes often, I think, change people's18400:13:09.690 --> 00:13:13.919ability to see what Paul is talkingabout in that verse and the flaw in18500:13:15.000 --> 00:13:18.440their own argument. So the thirdone is that women claim that all sin18600:13:18.879 --> 00:13:24.080is the same. Yeah, soabortion is not so terrible, and I'll18700:13:24.159 --> 00:13:26.990hear the the various permutations of that, but one is, have you ever18800:13:28.070 --> 00:13:31.350told a lie? Well, I'mabout to go, go have an abortion,18900:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.950but you're a liar. You've toldlies. Yeah, and so we19000:13:35.149 --> 00:13:39.789need to address that, because notall sin is the same. All Sin19100:13:39.950 --> 00:13:43.379Separates US right from the glory ofGod, and they're they're correct in that.19200:13:43.100 --> 00:13:50.100But there are magnitudes of sin andthere are differing punishments for sin,19300:13:50.580 --> 00:13:54.259and I know you're turning to somethingwhile you're looking there, the one I'm19400:13:54.259 --> 00:13:58.929actually turned into the scripture that youhave there. Okay, these are these19500:13:58.970 --> 00:14:01.929are this is a great scripture,I think, addressing that and when I've19600:14:01.970 --> 00:14:05.049read that to women who say allsin is the same, and I'll say,19700:14:05.090 --> 00:14:09.360well, actually, Jesus himself woulddisagree with you. Yeah, and19800:14:09.679 --> 00:14:13.360we can prove that because scripture supportsthat. Yeah, yeah, and here19900:14:13.519 --> 00:14:18.639Jesus answered. This is in theJohn Nineteen, verse eleven. Yeah,20000:14:18.759 --> 00:14:22.120this is Jesus before pilot, rightbefore he's about to be crucified. Jesus20100:14:22.159 --> 00:14:26.190answered sit and said You could haveno power at all against me unless it20200:14:26.230 --> 00:14:30.590had been given you from above.Therefore, the one who delivered me to20300:14:30.710 --> 00:14:35.350you. As the Greater Sin Greater. So the word great or there implies20400:14:35.669 --> 00:14:39.059that there's Lesser Sin. Now therecan be some confusion here for people.20500:14:39.820 --> 00:14:43.940You know, one of the thingswe deal with on a regular basis is20600:14:43.059 --> 00:14:48.500just biblically illiterate people, right,people who've taken certain, I don't know,20700:14:48.740 --> 00:14:54.009passages out of context or messages fromthe pulpit and taking them to mean20800:14:54.090 --> 00:14:58.289something that that God never intended.So the idea that all sin is the20900:14:58.330 --> 00:15:01.610same is not a biblical concept rightat all. You can get all the21000:15:01.730 --> 00:15:07.009time. This is also widespread.Yeah, and so you did with Biblical21100:15:07.090 --> 00:15:11.679illiteracy and bringing the Bible into theequation and showing people actually, here's what21200:15:11.799 --> 00:15:18.000the Scripture says. You're confronting Biblicalilliteracy and you're bringing the truth of God's21300:15:18.000 --> 00:15:22.549word into the equation. But also, again, I think helping with analogies21400:15:22.190 --> 00:15:26.190is pretty helpful. You know,if you stand before an earthly judge and21500:15:26.350 --> 00:15:31.870you stole a Pepsi at the store, are your consequences going to be the21600:15:31.950 --> 00:15:35.980same? Is it the same asif you murdered your next door neighbor?21700:15:35.460 --> 00:15:39.299Of course not. Those two thingsare very different. We have consequences that21800:15:39.419 --> 00:15:46.460are very different for these different kindsof sins. But of course all sin21900:15:46.659 --> 00:15:50.049does separate us from God. AllSin, whether you tell one little quote22000:15:50.049 --> 00:15:54.129white lie or where do you killsomeone, you are still separated from a22100:15:54.289 --> 00:15:58.169holy God. So that is atruth. All Sin separates us, and22200:15:58.210 --> 00:16:02.409you said it very well. AllSin separates us from God, but not22300:16:02.570 --> 00:16:06.159all sin is the same. That'sright, that's right. And what and22400:16:06.639 --> 00:16:10.919you know sometimes this can almost feelacademic, like, okay, so big22500:16:11.000 --> 00:16:14.960deal, you've really made a niceorganized chart of all the rationalizations. But22600:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.029there's a reason why they're so importantto know. Because if a woman is22700:16:18.190 --> 00:16:25.629claiming that all sin is the same, and all of us probably every day22800:16:25.750 --> 00:16:29.350there is like what I would calla little sin in our life. We've22900:16:29.389 --> 00:16:33.500told the white lie. We've saidyes, dinner taste delicious honey, when23000:16:33.659 --> 00:16:37.700honestly it probably maybe didn't. We'veall done that, but we all are23100:16:37.899 --> 00:16:41.259not killing our babies. Yeah,and there is a difference and it's very23200:16:41.379 --> 00:16:48.809important that they recognize that. Stumblingis not the same as just a free23300:16:48.929 --> 00:16:52.730fall jump off of a cliff ofsin. Yeah, and that's what abortionous.23400:16:52.809 --> 00:16:56.889Yeah, and the reality is,no one actually believes that all sin23500:16:57.009 --> 00:17:02.440is the same. No one actuallybelieves that in their everyday life. Right,23600:17:03.200 --> 00:17:07.799we all know that there there aresins that are more egregious than others.23700:17:07.839 --> 00:17:11.640Right. There are things that peopledo where you wonder how in the23800:17:11.000 --> 00:17:15.950world could they ever do something soevil? Right, and then there are23900:17:17.029 --> 00:17:19.829things that that people do that arestill evil, and yet they're pretty common24000:17:19.869 --> 00:17:23.829evils. Like still in a Pepsifrom the grocery store or whatever it might24100:17:23.869 --> 00:17:27.349be. Those things are sin andthey still separate people from God. People24200:17:27.430 --> 00:17:32.420that do that are still the eaves. However, we all would recognize there24300:17:32.460 --> 00:17:37.660are different levels of sin. Helpinga mom to understand that is can be24400:17:37.819 --> 00:17:40.859helpful in giving analogies and, ofcourse, given what the scripture says,24500:17:40.900 --> 00:17:45.210totally agree. So this one isa fun one. Okay, this is24600:17:45.369 --> 00:17:52.490the fourth one. Women claim thatGod gave us free will to choose abortion.24700:17:52.769 --> 00:17:55.930Okay, it's accurate. He did. It is. Yeah, I24800:17:56.049 --> 00:18:00.240mean so we do have the freedomof the will right do evil and of24900:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.880course, as human beings, wedo pretty good at doing evil, don't25000:18:03.880 --> 00:18:07.480we? Yes, we do prettygood. It take us free will,25100:18:07.680 --> 00:18:11.680YEP, and giving it to tosin. And one of the things that25200:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.910I will say, and I've hadconversations with many young men that come over25300:18:15.230 --> 00:18:18.390on the sidewalk and they're there withtheir girlfriend, of their wife or an25400:18:18.430 --> 00:18:22.190abortion, and they say some ofthe very similar didn't God give us free25500:18:22.230 --> 00:18:26.460will right? And so my responsetypically is this, just because God gave25600:18:26.539 --> 00:18:30.140you free will to do something doesnot mean that it's okay for you to25700:18:30.220 --> 00:18:33.099do what you want to with thatwill. As a matter of fact,25800:18:33.099 --> 00:18:36.140when you stand before him, it'swhat you've done with the free will that25900:18:36.180 --> 00:18:40.619he's given you that you will beheld accountable for. Exactly just because God26000:18:40.740 --> 00:18:44.970allows you to do something doesn't meanhe's okay with what you've done, and26100:18:45.930 --> 00:18:49.130it can help bring some truth intothe equation there and help these folks to26200:18:49.170 --> 00:18:53.970think this through. It's really ridiculousstatement. Just because God doesn't strike you26300:18:55.009 --> 00:18:56.640dead before you do something, itmeans he's a Kay with what you're doing.26400:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.880Right, right. So there's avery different thing between between free will26500:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.839and his desire and permission. Yeah, he well, I guess he does26600:19:06.960 --> 00:19:10.589permit you, but his desire isclearly not in one of the best verses26700:19:10.750 --> 00:19:12.910for that, I think, isDeuteronomy, three thousand nineteen to twenty.26800:19:12.990 --> 00:19:18.109Yeah, maybe. Well, manyof you guys probably know this scripture,26900:19:18.230 --> 00:19:21.390but I call heaven and earth towitness against you that I've set before you27000:19:21.549 --> 00:19:25.819life and death, blessing and curse. Therefore, choose life that you and27100:19:25.900 --> 00:19:29.819your offspring may live, loving theLord, your God, obeying his voice,27200:19:30.420 --> 00:19:34.259holding fast to him, for heis your life and length of days,27300:19:34.539 --> 00:19:37.539that you may dwell in the landand that the Lord, that the27400:19:37.609 --> 00:19:41.450Lord swore to your father's, toAbraham, Isaac and to Jacob to give27500:19:41.490 --> 00:19:45.130them. So here's this promise ofGod that before you is the choice of27600:19:45.329 --> 00:19:48.849life, death, blessing and cursing. He gives you that choice. She's27700:19:48.890 --> 00:19:52.049live. Yes, he said itbefore. Humanity choose life, death,27800:19:52.130 --> 00:19:56.079blessing and cursing, you know.And we deal with the issue of choice27900:19:56.160 --> 00:19:59.720and people choosing to do what theywant to do. Of course, we28000:19:59.799 --> 00:20:03.039mentioned before. We deal with thepro aborts that talk about choice right,28100:20:03.160 --> 00:20:06.880and many of them will say awoman has the right to choose abortion,28200:20:07.269 --> 00:20:11.829doesn't she? And I will sayyes, she does. She can choose28300:20:11.869 --> 00:20:14.509to go right in that abortion.Could it can kill her child? Yeah.28400:20:14.589 --> 00:20:18.589However, that choice has consequences.Listen, if abortion was illegal,28500:20:19.230 --> 00:20:23.819people can still choose to kill theirchildren. Sure, right now it's illegal28600:20:23.859 --> 00:20:26.779to kill three year olds. Yeah, can a can a mother of a28700:20:26.859 --> 00:20:30.740three year old choose to kill herchild? She can, actually, she28800:20:30.900 --> 00:20:34.099can, and that has happened.That doesn't make it right. Right.28900:20:34.259 --> 00:20:37.609So the legality of it doesn't makeit right. The the the fact that29000:20:37.730 --> 00:20:41.569God gives people the ability to choosethings doesn't make it right, that's a29100:20:41.650 --> 00:20:47.009ridiculous notion. Right, ridiculous,but we hear it all the time,29200:20:47.089 --> 00:20:48.769all the time, all the time. Yeah, okay, now, in29300:20:49.279 --> 00:20:52.200none of these is you're responding toa mom or to a dad going into29400:20:52.200 --> 00:20:56.240an abortion center, do you needto voice how ridiculous these things are to29500:20:56.359 --> 00:21:00.519them? You know, they hearwhat they're saying. Not Helpful, but29600:21:00.079 --> 00:21:06.509it is good. It is goodto think through some responses not right them29700:21:06.549 --> 00:21:08.710off immediately. It's easy to dobecause you hear these things so often.29800:21:08.990 --> 00:21:12.390It's like you can probably repeat what'sthe next thing they're going to say because29900:21:12.390 --> 00:21:15.150you hear him so often. Yeah, but again, you know our attitude.30000:21:17.109 --> 00:21:21.420Listening to what they're saying is helpfuland then answering with a scriptural answer,30100:21:21.500 --> 00:21:25.819answering with a common sense answer ishelpful. So taking the attitude that30200:21:25.859 --> 00:21:29.059I'm taken to say that they're justcompletely ridiculous. Well, that's true,30300:21:29.660 --> 00:21:33.210but that's just convey that. That'sjust between us. Right. Yeah,30400:21:33.410 --> 00:21:37.210yeah, definitely, I think it. It's it's important to acknowledge the truth30500:21:37.289 --> 00:21:41.130of what they've said. God didgive us free will. I will say30600:21:41.130 --> 00:21:44.009that all the time. You're correct. He did give us free will.30700:21:44.369 --> 00:21:48.799But and then you counter with thescriptural truth about what he wants us to30800:21:48.920 --> 00:21:52.279do with that free will. Becauseshe's clear, and he's very clear in30900:21:52.319 --> 00:21:56.200the first choose life. Yeah,you see, he sets before it's life31000:21:56.240 --> 00:21:59.759and death. Therefore, choose life, do do the right thing, and31100:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.190is basically what exactly saying. Thisone is one of my favorites. Not31200:22:04.430 --> 00:22:11.390Women claim that Jesus is their Lord, since they asked him into their hearts.31300:22:11.430 --> 00:22:15.150Yeah, so, I often shareRomans ten nine. Did today.31400:22:15.299 --> 00:22:21.019I always do. It's one ofmy favorite verses in in introducing that idea31500:22:21.700 --> 00:22:25.779in the Gospel message that if youproclaim with your mouth that Jesus is Lord31600:22:25.819 --> 00:22:27.420and believe in your heart that Godraised him from the dead, then you31700:22:27.500 --> 00:22:33.329will be saved. And I almostalways get the response, Oh, I31800:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.450did that. Yeah, they're stillabortion minded. How I did that?31900:22:37.650 --> 00:22:40.049Yeah, I did that, Idid that one. So kick that box32000:22:40.170 --> 00:22:42.730right. Right. So, soI spend so much time focusing on on32100:22:44.359 --> 00:22:49.160that Jesus is Lord. Yeah,statement. Unfortunately, this is a manifestation32200:22:49.400 --> 00:22:55.960of some of the weak Gospel presentationsthat happen in churches across America. The32300:22:56.079 --> 00:23:00.029easy believi is mm and basically thesetup is, you know, Here's The32400:23:00.150 --> 00:23:04.029Gospel, here's the problem of sinand here's the box you need to check32500:23:04.069 --> 00:23:07.390to take care of that problem.Right, just pray after me, Jesus32600:23:07.549 --> 00:23:10.630is Lord, and check you're safeto check the box and ready to go32700:23:10.910 --> 00:23:15.539right. And the message of Repentance, renewal of the heart, regeneration,32800:23:17.460 --> 00:23:21.420the message of the holiness of God, a lot of that's been neglected.32900:23:21.700 --> 00:23:25.619Yeah, and so again there's thismentality that's been embraced by people that you33000:23:25.700 --> 00:23:30.609know, God's almost God was createdfor you to fix your problems, rather33100:23:30.650 --> 00:23:33.410than you were created for him.And The holiness of God is so often33200:23:33.490 --> 00:23:41.049neglected. In showing this God whothey'll stand before as holy really helps people33300:23:41.089 --> 00:23:42.799understand it's not just check in abox, but I need to surrender my33400:23:42.960 --> 00:23:45.640life to him. And of coursewe life is surrendered to him. You're33500:23:45.640 --> 00:23:49.119not going to give yourself the thingslike for Nication, an abortion right and33600:23:49.400 --> 00:23:53.599sin right. He's not only holybut just, and that when you start33700:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.509introducing the idea of justice. That'sanother thing that is really neglected, in33800:23:57.829 --> 00:24:03.150my experience, at least in whatI'm hearing. Maybe it is introduced in33900:24:03.190 --> 00:24:06.950the churches, but I'm sure nothearing it reflected and in what the women34000:24:06.990 --> 00:24:12.019are saying, because even if Godwere just God, then obviously God would34100:24:12.299 --> 00:24:18.660demand that they not go in andkill this innocent child who has caused committed34200:24:18.740 --> 00:24:25.809no crime. Yeah, and thatis not justice. So I often introduce34300:24:25.930 --> 00:24:27.890luke six. Well, why doyou call me Lord, Lord and not34400:24:29.009 --> 00:24:30.569do what I tell you? Yeah, and I say Jesus himself tells you.34500:24:30.609 --> 00:24:33.410If you're going to call them Lord, you're supposed to obey him.34600:24:33.410 --> 00:24:37.759Yeah, and I think breaking downthat word Lord is important. Yeah,34700:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.200what does that word mean? Ithink that Jesus. If you claim that34800:24:41.240 --> 00:24:45.960Jesus is your Lord, what doesthat mean? Yes, Lord, just34900:24:45.160 --> 00:24:52.640a title, or does it implythat you're actually in subjection to what he35000:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.349says? Because that's what it means. It's actually can be translated master.35100:24:56.349 --> 00:25:00.069Yeah, so if he's in charge, basically what it means he's in charge.35200:25:00.109 --> 00:25:03.309If Jesus is in charge, ishe okay with you killing your child35300:25:03.349 --> 00:25:07.180that he created? And of coursenot. And that's a great way to35400:25:07.259 --> 00:25:10.420ask it. And I think oneof the big surprises for me when I35500:25:10.460 --> 00:25:15.539started doing this work and sharing theGospel on a regular basis was people would35600:25:15.539 --> 00:25:18.339I would say, what does thatmean when Jesus is Lord, and so35700:25:18.539 --> 00:25:22.170many people could not answer that.They didn't know what they'd said it.35800:25:22.210 --> 00:25:26.730Yeah, and and it was abig kind of revelation to them that they35900:25:26.809 --> 00:25:32.009really had said it without knowing whatthat entailed, which is why they're showing36000:25:32.049 --> 00:25:34.799up in an abortion center and callingJesus Lord. Yeah, well, it's36100:25:34.920 --> 00:25:41.279just another now kind of a commontitle that people use for Jesus, just36200:25:41.400 --> 00:25:44.359like Jesus Christ. A lot ofpeople can't tell you who are raising church.36300:25:44.480 --> 00:25:47.319What does Christ even mean? It'slike is that Jesus is last name.36400:25:47.920 --> 00:25:51.910Know, it implies something. He'sannointing when he's the Messiah, the36500:25:52.029 --> 00:25:55.869Lord Jesus. Well, Lord justjust the title, just something you attack36600:25:55.950 --> 00:25:59.950on to the front of Jesus exactly, Mr Jesus. But it has biblically36700:26:00.549 --> 00:26:03.150implies a lot more than just atitle before the name of Jesus. Right,36800:26:03.420 --> 00:26:07.660it's who he is. If you'rea Christian in your life, he's36900:26:07.660 --> 00:26:11.180your master. He gets to saywhat goes. That's right. That's right.37000:26:11.660 --> 00:26:14.259So, and I think we actuallyeven did a podcast where we start37100:26:14.259 --> 00:26:17.980would have presented that a little bit, but but if not, this is37200:26:18.019 --> 00:26:22.250a good summer. You have that. So now those are all unique concerns37300:26:22.529 --> 00:26:26.089and though there's, I'm sure,many, many more, but those were37400:26:26.210 --> 00:26:27.690the top five that kind of cameto me as I as I was working37500:26:27.809 --> 00:26:30.650on this and thinking through it.So now what do we do with that?37600:26:30.890 --> 00:26:36.839How Do we present the Gospel withthose unique concerns in mind, because37700:26:36.960 --> 00:26:41.839we do believe that that the wayyou present the Gospel is sometimes different depending37800:26:41.000 --> 00:26:45.759on your audience. You're presented too, in the unique issues that arise from37900:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.549the unique audience that you're speaking with. So we already mentioned the first one.38000:26:49.910 --> 00:26:55.190Be Be careful about the message offorgiveness. Yeah, if the first38100:26:55.230 --> 00:26:59.950thing you call out, and Ihave heard this from new inexperience counselors,38200:27:00.589 --> 00:27:03.740Jesus loves you, he'll forgive youas they're on their way in to kill38300:27:03.779 --> 00:27:07.500their baby. Is Their problem withthat, Daniel? There's a big problem38400:27:07.500 --> 00:27:11.259with that. Yeah, because listen, the fact is, will he forgive38500:27:11.339 --> 00:27:15.809you? Not necessarily, he can. He's willing to if you repent.38600:27:17.690 --> 00:27:22.369But you're offering the message of forgivenessat a at a bad time, because38700:27:22.369 --> 00:27:29.490it's grasp on to as a justificationfor doing something so bad like killing your38800:27:29.529 --> 00:27:33.920innocent child. And we shouldn't.You know, we got to share God's38900:27:33.960 --> 00:27:37.119Truth and God's word, but themessage of God will forgive you is not39000:27:37.359 --> 00:27:44.589necessarily a biblical truth from that standpoint. It's God will forgive you if you39100:27:44.750 --> 00:27:48.710repent. Yeah, and if you'regiven justification to a mom to kill her39200:27:48.750 --> 00:27:51.390child, we certainly don't want tohave any part of that. So that's39300:27:51.430 --> 00:27:55.910why we need to be careful ofoffering the message of forgiveness in that way.39400:27:56.150 --> 00:28:00.180And one of my favorite verses ishe brews twenty six. If you39500:28:00.299 --> 00:28:03.019willfully continue and sin, there remainsno repentance for sin, but a fiery39600:28:03.099 --> 00:28:07.579expectation of judgment. Yeah, andI don't even need to tell them what39700:28:07.700 --> 00:28:10.500that means. I just say thatverse and say, can you is this39800:28:10.660 --> 00:28:12.609continuing and sin? You know thetruth. You're walking in there knowing the39900:28:12.769 --> 00:28:18.890truth. What does that first tellyou? I think it's a huge warning40000:28:18.970 --> 00:28:25.369and absolutely, and they usually agree. Yeah, so be fourth right about40100:28:25.450 --> 00:28:29.799calling sin what it is. Ithink is the is the second takeaway.40200:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.480Yeah, and some of the unitunique concerns. A lot of us shy40300:28:33.640 --> 00:28:40.440away from calling sin sin all thetime, but especially in front of an40400:28:40.440 --> 00:28:41.910abortion center, because you don't wantto make them mad at you. Yeah,40500:28:41.990 --> 00:28:47.589I think that's when I when I'mcareful about the words that I'm using.40600:28:47.789 --> 00:28:48.990And you know, you don't wantto tick them off so that you40700:28:49.190 --> 00:28:52.869push them in right to the abortioncenter, but you can sugarcoat it so40800:28:52.910 --> 00:28:59.740much that there's no awareness that whatthey're doing is truly heinous, ruly wrong.40900:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.700Yeah, I mean one of thethings we're talking about sin and calling41000:29:03.819 --> 00:29:07.779sin sin. There are those whoshy away from calling abortion murder. Right,41100:29:07.940 --> 00:29:11.049I did, I did for long. Yeah, and I understand that.41200:29:11.170 --> 00:29:14.529Yeah, and I think there canthat certainly needs to be a consideration.41300:29:14.849 --> 00:29:18.250I don't think it's helpful for usto put that out, that truth41400:29:18.289 --> 00:29:21.410out there like an accusation. Right, you know you're a murderer. Yes,41500:29:21.569 --> 00:29:25.039as they're walking into an abortion center, because I have seen it myself.41600:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.279Yeah, I've seen their feet movefaster right into that abortion sen yeah,41700:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.200I actually think, and we did, we talked about in a couple41800:29:33.279 --> 00:29:37.480episodes ago about words and words havemeaning. And Yeah, I think being41900:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.470careful with our words and saying andthis is what I say often. Don't42000:29:41.470 --> 00:29:45.869go in there and take the innocentlife of your baby, right, because42100:29:45.910 --> 00:29:51.589it's almost like abortion is murder hasbecome almost like a mantra or something like42200:29:51.710 --> 00:29:55.259that, to where it doesn't reallycarry the weight that we think it might.42300:29:55.299 --> 00:29:57.339Yeah, but if you're using wordsor you're trying to describe to this42400:29:57.460 --> 00:30:00.980mother, don't go in there andtake the innocent life of your baby.42500:30:00.019 --> 00:30:04.940We're bringing things to her mind.Hopefully that will help her to understand the42600:30:04.980 --> 00:30:10.769weight of what she's really doing.Then just become some cliche statement. Abortion42700:30:10.930 --> 00:30:14.289is murder. Right. So they'regentler ways to call it sin, but42800:30:14.450 --> 00:30:18.930college sin down. Don't don't beafraid to point out that this is wrong.42900:30:18.930 --> 00:30:22.160Yeah, we certainly don't need toconvey to this mother don't go in43000:30:22.200 --> 00:30:23.839there and make a terrible mistake.It's not a terrible ye stake, it's43100:30:25.079 --> 00:30:27.160sin. It seems its God right. I think that's why we need to43200:30:27.240 --> 00:30:32.079mention God as we're talking to him, like we say often, is this43300:30:32.200 --> 00:30:33.680something that God would ever have youto do? Would God want you to43400:30:33.759 --> 00:30:37.950take the innocent life of your child? and honestly, that can be a43500:30:37.990 --> 00:30:40.910showstopper. But that happened to metoday, which is why I thought that43600:30:40.990 --> 00:30:44.390up. I still think it's anabsolutely critical, important thing to say.43700:30:44.430 --> 00:30:47.430So on one hand we're saying becareful, but on the other hand,43800:30:47.710 --> 00:30:49.859don't be so careful that God isnot brought into the equation. He must43900:30:49.859 --> 00:30:53.900be brought into the ACCAO, theequation. A woman rolled down her window44000:30:53.980 --> 00:30:57.259today. I said, we havehope and help for you. My Name44100:30:57.339 --> 00:31:00.859and numbers on the back of thisinformation. Would you take this? And44200:31:00.940 --> 00:31:03.930she's smiling and and and said sure. I said you're on your way to44300:31:03.970 --> 00:31:07.490the Women Center. She was,and then I said what would God have44400:31:07.609 --> 00:31:10.890you do after saying that we hadhope and help, and she rolled the44500:31:10.890 --> 00:31:14.730window up and drop away and Yep, into the abortion center. Maybe I44600:31:14.769 --> 00:31:18.130should have done something different, butit is usually what I introduced very,44700:31:18.210 --> 00:31:22.279very quickly and and hopefully you knowthat that percolates in their heart while they're44800:31:22.279 --> 00:31:26.279sitting in there. Yeah, sotiming is important. Yeah, it is.44900:31:26.480 --> 00:31:30.519We don't always know the exact righttiming, but listen, if we45000:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.190knew, if we knew the Dfrom the beginning, I think are counseling45100:31:33.230 --> 00:31:37.630sessions would be far more effective.But we don't, but we don't.45200:31:37.670 --> 00:31:38.670So we do our best. Sowe do the best we can with the45300:31:38.750 --> 00:31:44.150information that we have and we needto be truthful and do things scripturally right.45400:31:44.309 --> 00:31:47.539So again, mentioning God, orwhether that made her roll the window45500:31:47.539 --> 00:31:51.740up faster or who knows. Whoknows what the next thing you could have45600:31:51.779 --> 00:31:53.700said could have been something that aboutresources and she rolled her window up.45700:31:53.740 --> 00:31:57.099Yeah, but but I have hadthe opposite response where I've said what would45800:31:57.099 --> 00:32:00.690God have you do when they cry, and then I'm able to speak more45900:32:00.849 --> 00:32:05.369truth than they go on the RV. So I I bet any way about46000:32:05.369 --> 00:32:08.930it, whether they whether that statementsends them running or not. That statement,46100:32:09.089 --> 00:32:13.250I think, is an important statementthat needs to be set at some46200:32:13.490 --> 00:32:15.039point early on. Yeah, well, would God have you do, or46300:32:15.119 --> 00:32:20.119something along those lines, introducing God. We you had already touched on this46400:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.440one a little bit. To takethe time to explain what real repentance means.46500:32:23.480 --> 00:32:28.720Yeah, because I don't think thatit's right right now. It's not,46600:32:29.039 --> 00:32:32.430and I think it is important.Again, like we talked about before,46700:32:32.470 --> 00:32:37.630words do matter and using words,biblical words like repentance, can be46800:32:37.750 --> 00:32:43.670helpful. It's a biblical word.But then explaining that word is helpful as46900:32:43.710 --> 00:32:45.420well. Yeah, so when youhave a one on one you know a47000:32:45.460 --> 00:32:49.700lot of what we're talking about.We're not talking about calling out across the47100:32:49.779 --> 00:32:52.539parking lot at the abortion centers cases. The talking about one on one interactions47200:32:52.900 --> 00:32:58.140with most of these cases, andso you have time to explain your words.47300:32:58.539 --> 00:33:00.289You have time to explain. Andso when I talk about repentance,47400:33:00.410 --> 00:33:05.930you God calls you to repent,I will always, almost always at least,47500:33:06.289 --> 00:33:08.769follow that up with that means toturn away from sin, that means47600:33:08.890 --> 00:33:13.559to stop doing the things you knoware offensive to the Lord. It's more47700:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.559give deminish sorry, because that's whatthey'll say when I'll say what is repentance47800:33:16.640 --> 00:33:20.359mean? That's what I hear sooften. It means you say you're sorry.47900:33:20.359 --> 00:33:22.640Yeah, it's much more. Itis much more that you're sorry.48000:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.880Yeah, I mean one of thethings, if I have the time to48100:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.829lay out, it's actually a turningof your heart, your mind and your48200:33:30.910 --> 00:33:34.349feet away from those things that areoffensive to the Lord, the things that48300:33:34.430 --> 00:33:36.829he would never have you to do. Yeah, I like that heart,48400:33:36.869 --> 00:33:39.309mind and your feet. Yes,that's actually a really good statement and that's48500:33:39.349 --> 00:33:45.380actually the biblical picture of repentance isa one hundred and eighty degree turn.48600:33:45.460 --> 00:33:49.859You're walking that direction. To repentis to walk in completely the opposite direction.48700:33:49.900 --> 00:33:55.009Yeah, that's good. Ask themwhere they are going, heaven or48800:33:55.089 --> 00:34:00.970hell, to discern workspaced theology.Yeah, so, and that's very important.48900:34:01.369 --> 00:34:06.690It's important in sharing it, theGospel, with anyone, but I49000:34:06.769 --> 00:34:10.679also think it's especially important with apost abortive women, which actually most of49100:34:10.679 --> 00:34:15.079the women, even the ones whochoose life that time, have had a49200:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.079prior abortion. And if their understandingof God and a relationship with God is49300:34:20.159 --> 00:34:24.469based on works, they're feeling condemnation. Well, absolutely so. The single49400:34:24.590 --> 00:34:28.909question that I think maybe you haveanother one, but for me the one49500:34:28.949 --> 00:34:34.389question that really kind of immediately letsme know do they believe they can work49600:34:34.429 --> 00:34:37.150their way to heaven or not,is to say where you going, heaven49700:34:37.190 --> 00:34:39.460or hell, and then why?Yeah, and how they answer that question.49800:34:39.500 --> 00:34:43.619And that's an easy way to thenhave entrey and to sharing the rest49900:34:43.659 --> 00:34:46.260of the Gospel. Yeah, absolutely, laying out that your good works cannot50000:34:46.300 --> 00:34:50.739save you. Right, it onlythe good work that Jesus Christ did in50100:34:50.860 --> 00:34:53.809his death, Barren resurrection right canrescue and Dean save you. Yeah,50200:34:54.730 --> 00:34:59.610because we do have a lot ofpeople, even with Thea you believe is50300:34:59.690 --> 00:35:04.010m salvation, people that say theycheck the box. If you really get50400:35:04.130 --> 00:35:07.920down into they're thinking about, quote, religious things, they still have a50500:35:08.079 --> 00:35:12.559works based mentality. I mean,if you think about it, checking that50600:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.880religious box. I did that.I said that prayer is kind of like50700:35:16.079 --> 00:35:21.429it. It's really, are youreally trusting in Christ? That's the question.50800:35:21.469 --> 00:35:23.989Are you trusting in him? Areyou clinging to him for salvation?50900:35:24.190 --> 00:35:29.030It's not works based, it's reallyheart based, right, if your heart51000:35:29.150 --> 00:35:31.909really trusting in Christ. Yeah,and for many of these folks that would51100:35:31.909 --> 00:35:37.900use these excuses to kill their childand justify it, obviously their hearts are51200:35:37.980 --> 00:35:40.099not it's given to the Lord.That's right, that's right, and not51300:35:40.420 --> 00:35:45.500their faith. They'll say I havefaith and and I have faith that Soanso51400:35:45.619 --> 00:35:50.530Andso and so. But if youask them, well, do you have51500:35:50.730 --> 00:35:52.809faith only when things are going theway you want them to go, or51600:35:52.889 --> 00:35:57.050do you have faith when God istelling you to do something that's hard?51700:35:57.090 --> 00:35:59.889Yeah, and if you don't havethe faith to do what God is telling51800:35:59.889 --> 00:36:05.039you to do when something's hard,then I would challenge whether you have a51900:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.880saving faith. Yeah, absolutely.Yeah, not too long ago, a52000:36:07.920 --> 00:36:13.360couple of weeks ago actually, Iwas talking to a young man who was52100:36:13.440 --> 00:36:17.630given excuses about his girlfriend having theabortion he was. He said he trusted52200:36:17.710 --> 00:36:21.710the Lord, he said God wasfaithful and all these other things, and52300:36:21.750 --> 00:36:24.190I said really, with a rubbermeets the road, which is right here,52400:36:24.349 --> 00:36:29.389right now, you're not trust inGod, right, you're telling me,52500:36:29.550 --> 00:36:32.900because of coronavirus, because of yourfinancial situation, because of this,52600:36:34.099 --> 00:36:37.460because of that, though, Godis trustworthy in his character is impeccable,52700:36:37.739 --> 00:36:40.099and you confess that. Yet somehow, right now, his character is up52800:36:40.139 --> 00:36:44.940for question, because of the coronavirus, because of your financial situation, because52900:36:44.980 --> 00:36:49.050of this, because of that,somehow God becomes not faithful anymore. Right,53000:36:49.210 --> 00:36:52.489can't trust him now. Trust himto tough to see, even though53100:36:52.530 --> 00:36:54.050he holds the future in his handand he's been faithful in the past.53200:36:54.130 --> 00:36:57.769You're telling me he won't be faithfulin the future. And so I really53300:36:57.769 --> 00:37:00.409pressed him on the issue of trustingthe Lord and brought him to a point53400:37:00.440 --> 00:37:05.159where he saw and he agreed withme. Yeah, I'm not really trusting53500:37:05.239 --> 00:37:07.159God, Emma. Yeah, now, unfortunately, he didn't go in there53600:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.679and get his girlfriend out, buthe certainly didn't get away with the idea53700:37:10.880 --> 00:37:15.150that somehow he's trust in God whenhe's really not. I gave him the53800:37:15.190 --> 00:37:19.710truth and I did it very forthrightly, but very graciously. He didn't stomp53900:37:19.789 --> 00:37:23.469off mad. We had a good, cordial conversation, conversation I yeah,54000:37:23.510 --> 00:37:27.829I heard a lot of it andit was and I'm sure seats were planted54100:37:27.869 --> 00:37:30.059and so maybe this baby wasn't safe, but maybe the next one will be.54200:37:30.219 --> 00:37:36.820Maybe maybe he will be reconsidering.Yeah, and again, I certainly54300:37:36.860 --> 00:37:40.420didn't just let him go with believein the idea that somehow he's trusting in54400:37:40.500 --> 00:37:45.210the Lord when he's really not.Yeah, stunging with the truth, stunning54500:37:45.250 --> 00:37:47.170with God's word, and he willhave to stand before the Lord and give54600:37:47.170 --> 00:37:51.409an account. Hopefully, like yousaid, it planet seeds and he really54700:37:51.449 --> 00:37:53.050truly God, do the surrenders tothe Lord and trust. Yeah, I54800:37:53.090 --> 00:37:57.369got a great text, I thinkit was this week, from a mom54900:37:57.530 --> 00:38:01.719who said she was thanking cities forlife, for that which is our ministry,55000:38:02.000 --> 00:38:06.559our organization, that that is therein front of the abortion center.55100:38:06.920 --> 00:38:12.800And she she said because when shechose life because we were there and she55200:38:12.909 --> 00:38:17.670said I I thought my situation thatI faced was so awful and that it55300:38:17.710 --> 00:38:21.469would never change, and said I'mso glad I chose life. Do you55400:38:21.550 --> 00:38:24.789know, every single thing has changedfor the better, every single thing.55500:38:25.389 --> 00:38:30.820But she had put her faith inGod and in doing the right thing before55600:38:31.420 --> 00:38:37.219her circumstances changed. And how sooften happens, than God worked were good55700:38:37.340 --> 00:38:42.449things in her life. The nextone is one that is not, I55800:38:42.570 --> 00:38:44.690think, unique. Cut in awhites in here, but throw it in55900:38:44.769 --> 00:38:46.489there. Convinced them they're a sinner. That that you need to do that56000:38:46.570 --> 00:38:50.050with everyone. You show the Gospel. Yeah, one why is? Preacher56100:38:50.130 --> 00:38:52.769said, you got to get peoplelost before you can get them safe.56200:38:52.769 --> 00:38:53.849They don't know that they have tobe found. Yeah, don't. If56300:38:53.849 --> 00:38:58.440they don't know they're lost, whyare they trying to be found by our56400:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.679gracious God? And if they don'tknow that they have a sickness, then56500:39:00.760 --> 00:39:07.719why would they take the remedy?That's right, and our great encourager,56600:39:07.920 --> 00:39:10.349at least from a far ray,comfort and sharing the gospels, gets right56700:39:10.389 --> 00:39:14.789to that first. I love watchinghis videos. I love just here in56800:39:14.789 --> 00:39:17.030the Gospel presentations yeah, he talksabout that very same thing. I need56900:39:17.110 --> 00:39:21.829to use the law to show peoplethat they're sick, that they need a57000:39:21.869 --> 00:39:23.820physician, because someone's not going totake a cure for disease. They don't57100:39:23.820 --> 00:39:27.980believe that they have right. Andmost people walk around. You know,57200:39:28.059 --> 00:39:31.699the Bible says each one will proclaimtheir own goodness. People think they're basically57300:39:31.739 --> 00:39:34.980good. I'm a good person.Everybody else is evil, but I'm a57400:39:35.019 --> 00:39:37.139good person. And you have toreally get right to that thing and show57500:39:37.179 --> 00:39:40.449them they're not a good person.Yeah, they're actually separated from God through57600:39:40.449 --> 00:39:45.929their sin and they're under God's judgment, but Jesus Christ came so that they57700:39:45.969 --> 00:39:49.130might be saved. And even justsometimes you have to just go to the57800:39:49.210 --> 00:39:53.559point of is is there truly evil? And today I said it is.57900:39:53.559 --> 00:39:57.440Hit the evil and I den andshe agreed. Yeah, there is evil,58000:39:57.440 --> 00:40:00.239because she was someone who believed ina higher power but not much of58100:40:00.559 --> 00:40:05.119anything else. And and from they'resaying, so, what does he deserve?58200:40:05.239 --> 00:40:07.670Well, he deserves hell. She'squite certain of that. But she58300:40:07.789 --> 00:40:10.710did not see. Didn't, andso then so introducing the idea that she58400:40:10.949 --> 00:40:14.949was indeed a sinner, that thathelped her to come to an understanding of58500:40:15.030 --> 00:40:19.150why Jesus dying on the Cross wasnecessary, why that penalty had to be58600:40:19.190 --> 00:40:22.019paid. And that's the next one. Remind them there is a penalty for58700:40:22.099 --> 00:40:25.380sin. Where sinner, there isa penalty sin. And then I'll kind58800:40:25.380 --> 00:40:31.219of speed US along, move tothe remedy Persin, which is the gospel58900:40:31.300 --> 00:40:36.329of Jesus Christ. What Jesus Christdid in his death, burying resurrection is59000:40:36.409 --> 00:40:39.250the remedy for the problem of sin. That's right. It's not trying hard,59100:40:39.409 --> 00:40:45.489doing better, getting a bigger Bibleor whatever. It's surrendering to what59200:40:45.610 --> 00:40:51.519Jesus Christ has done. That's howyou get salvation right. And and then,59300:40:51.559 --> 00:40:53.519if then, and only then,if they understand all that has been59400:40:53.559 --> 00:40:58.559said and you truly understand. Ifyou say, do you understand everything?59500:40:58.679 --> 00:41:01.400Do you have any questions? Isthere anything you disagree with? Now I59600:41:01.519 --> 00:41:06.190agree with all of that at thisall makes sense. At that point I59700:41:06.349 --> 00:41:10.590will extend an invitation. If Ireally believe that they have truly grasped and59800:41:10.789 --> 00:41:15.869understood sincerely everything that that's been raised, then I extend an invitation for them59900:41:15.989 --> 00:41:20.619to ask to submit their life toJesus, ask him to be Lord of60000:41:20.699 --> 00:41:24.980their life and begin that process,yeah, of walking with God. Yes,60100:41:25.139 --> 00:41:28.699yeah, I know, I've heardfolks that have a problem with this60200:41:28.940 --> 00:41:31.139extending in invitation for people. Yes, yeah, you want to get right60300:41:31.179 --> 00:41:34.409with God right now. Yeah,some people say, you know, you60400:41:34.449 --> 00:41:37.889should just let it be between themand the Lord. I understand that.60500:41:37.050 --> 00:41:42.889Yeah, but I do think thatis important to get them again. It's60600:41:42.929 --> 00:41:45.409not decision, believe. Easy believeis and get them to check a box,60700:41:45.570 --> 00:41:50.119but to give them to acknowledge,before God and before other people,60800:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.679their sin and their need for asavior and to ask God to rescue and60900:41:53.760 --> 00:41:59.480to save them. Yea, andgiving them an opportunity to pray, and61000:41:59.639 --> 00:42:04.190you've done it several times. I'veseen it with some men I've ministered to61100:42:04.349 --> 00:42:07.789on the sidewalk to pray and askJesus to save them from their sin.61200:42:07.869 --> 00:42:10.630I'll even get them to go throughand confess their sense, name out,61300:42:10.670 --> 00:42:14.349what your sons are. You're notyou're not talking to me, so I61400:42:14.510 --> 00:42:16.739make sure they direct their attention tothe ord talking to God. Yeah,61500:42:16.820 --> 00:42:22.699God knows all this stuff anyway.Confessed to him and God can wash your61600:42:22.780 --> 00:42:27.179sins away. Yeah, today,after I shared the Gospel. The woman61700:42:27.340 --> 00:42:31.010went from agnostic, believing in ahigher power but really knowing nothing else,61800:42:31.090 --> 00:42:36.849to that is a beautiful story.She agreed and she understood and it was61900:42:36.929 --> 00:42:38.369clear from the question she'd asked.And I did say, you know,62000:42:38.489 --> 00:42:42.889you could do this at any moment. You can submit your life to Jesus62100:42:42.969 --> 00:42:45.800from this moment forward and I'm happyto pray with you if you want to62200:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.599pray. She said. You knowwhat, I really am going to think62300:42:49.639 --> 00:42:52.519about this. This this there's there'sbeen. You've given me a lot to62400:42:53.079 --> 00:42:59.949consider, but I am not readyto fully commit right now and I feel62500:42:59.989 --> 00:43:02.070like this is something I need tofully commit to. And that is a62600:43:02.469 --> 00:43:07.030great statement. Yeah, and andand I said that is wonderful and I62700:43:07.110 --> 00:43:10.230think you should think about it,pray about it, but I would not62800:43:10.309 --> 00:43:14.500wait too long. I do,I do feel an urgency that maybe not62900:43:14.619 --> 00:43:17.179everyone feels, but the Bible says, while it is yet today, do63000:43:17.340 --> 00:43:20.980not harden your heart as you didin the repellion. Yeah, and I63100:43:21.059 --> 00:43:24.860am we none of us are guaranteedtomorrow. Yeah, I'm so, so63200:43:25.260 --> 00:43:30.849some of the key verses for sharingthe Gospel and maybe then we can wrap,63300:43:30.130 --> 00:43:34.809wrap it up with those. Theconcept of personal sin. Romans three63400:43:34.849 --> 00:43:37.570hundred and twenty three. Yeah,one of my favorites. For All have63500:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.130sinned and false show of the gloryof God. The penalty for sin.63600:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.480Romans six hundred and twenty three.The wages of sin is death. Do63700:43:44.519 --> 00:43:49.000you have a favorite for repentance?Yeah, well, repent or you shall63800:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.079likewise. Paris was that, butthat too good. Chapter Thirteen, it's63900:43:52.119 --> 00:43:54.280a good one. Yeah, okay. Yeah, so I'll remember that one.64000:43:55.230 --> 00:44:00.030There's a path back to God throughJesus. I love Romans ten nine64100:44:00.389 --> 00:44:05.630for that, which I had alreadymentioned. Focusing on Lordship, yeah,64200:44:05.670 --> 00:44:08.590she is one of the most commonmisunderstandings and of false conversions. I believe64300:44:08.710 --> 00:44:13.420is not understanding. Lord Luke sixand forty six. Why do you call64400:44:13.460 --> 00:44:15.900me Lord Lord? Yeah, andnot everyone, Matthew. Twenty one is64500:44:15.940 --> 00:44:20.219another great one. Not everyone whosays to me Lord Lord, will enter64600:44:20.300 --> 00:44:22.659the Kingdom of Heaven. Yeah,that's a powerful that is a powerful and64700:44:23.099 --> 00:44:27.449scary verse. Yeah, who arenot living for the Lord it is,64800:44:28.210 --> 00:44:30.570have not truly certended their life toJesus, and yet have his name on64900:44:30.610 --> 00:44:37.010their lips. Yeah, I thinksomething for me and that kept me from65000:44:37.010 --> 00:44:40.239sharing the Gospel was because there's somany great verses and there's so many that65100:44:40.559 --> 00:44:45.960you could focus on. So Ithink it is important to go through and65200:44:45.079 --> 00:44:50.920think about what are the key elementsand what are some key verses that really65300:44:50.960 --> 00:44:55.429resonate with you, that that getthat key concept across to whoever you're talking65400:44:55.469 --> 00:45:00.030to and memorize those verses. Yeah, absolutely, and not be afraid.65500:45:00.389 --> 00:45:05.389Not Be afraid, because the itis the power of God alone is it's65600:45:05.510 --> 00:45:09.619what's going to change this whole abortionissue. Yeah, and change it.65700:45:09.940 --> 00:45:15.900That change happens individual hearts being surrenderedto the Lord. So I would encourage65800:45:15.900 --> 00:45:19.699you guys share the gospel out thereon the sidewalk. Don't neglect sharing the65900:45:19.780 --> 00:45:22.969gospel. Encourage us. Maybe thereare some things that we missed in this66000:45:23.130 --> 00:45:28.010podcast. Maybe you're involved in sidewalkministry, you're out there on a regular66100:45:28.010 --> 00:45:30.170basis and you're sharing the Gospel andthere's some stuff we didn't touch on.66200:45:30.329 --> 00:45:34.090Some wisdom you can give to us. We certainly don't think that we have66300:45:34.170 --> 00:45:37.679it all together, so reach outto US share those things. You can66400:45:37.719 --> 00:45:43.079reach out to me d parks atcities for lifecom Her v CASSIE ORG at66500:45:43.119 --> 00:45:45.719cities for lifecom. We'd love tohear from you, guys. We appreciate66600:45:45.800 --> 00:45:50.469you, guys that share this podcast. Please continue to share it, but66700:45:50.590 --> 00:46:02.590until next time, God bless ourlove. For Love, give me our66800:46:02.909 --> 00:46:15.900loft for gratitude. I know itwill cost me my life. Nothing's too66900:46:15.179 --> 00:46:17.420precious. And some met you