Remembering The “Why” Helps With The “How”

WEBVTT100:00:00.040 --> 00:00:02.879You start to lose the gravity ofthe fact that you're in battle, and200:00:02.879 --> 00:00:07.799that's how you drift away from beingvigilant, having your eyes open, paying300:00:07.799 --> 00:00:11.199attention to what's going on, payingattention to the battle. Yeah, you400:00:11.240 --> 00:00:17.760lose strategy because you lose the gravityof the battle. I Am Yours,500:00:18.199 --> 00:00:23.640I am yours, I am yours. And Me, Lord, I am600:00:23.719 --> 00:00:29.239yours, I am yours. I'mwelcome to the Gospel Center Pray Life Podcast,700:00:29.280 --> 00:00:34.880a podcast designed to equip, encourageand challenge you in pro life ministry,800:00:34.920 --> 00:00:40.359and always with a focus on theGospel. Stay tuned. I felt900:00:40.759 --> 00:00:53.280show Passish, touch your use me, Lord. Hey, they're welcome to1000:00:53.359 --> 00:00:57.719the Gospel centered pro life podcast.I'm here with Daniel Parks. It's a1100:00:57.960 --> 00:01:03.280Keycausie Org and today we're going totalk about what are maybe the three,1200:01:03.359 --> 00:01:10.000among the top three strategies a sidewalkteam should employ to be effective. Yeah,1300:01:10.120 --> 00:01:14.359talked a lot about this about,you know, teams that seem to1400:01:14.400 --> 00:01:18.640be really effective. They tend tofollow these strategies to that maybe don't see1500:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.760as many results. Maybe they're not, maybe they are right. Sometimes there1600:01:21.799 --> 00:01:23.879are facilities that are just harder.Yeah, Oh, absolutely, reach the1700:01:23.879 --> 00:01:29.400way. Yeah, there's only somuch strategy you can employ to be effective1800:01:29.400 --> 00:01:34.640in ministry and of course the dangerof strategy is thinking it's all about strategy1900:01:34.719 --> 00:01:38.200and all about like the things that. Yeah, all about us, way2000:01:38.200 --> 00:01:42.000we position ourselves or whatever, sayingjust the right thing. And of course,2100:01:42.159 --> 00:01:45.840if you guys have listened to thispodcast any length of time, you2200:01:45.879 --> 00:01:49.879know that there's there's never just theperfect thing to say in every scenario.2300:01:49.959 --> 00:01:53.760There are some general principles and atthe end of the day the results are2400:01:53.840 --> 00:01:57.040up to the Lord, right,but if there are things that we can2500:01:57.120 --> 00:02:00.040do, ways that we can positionour teams and things like that, they2600:02:00.040 --> 00:02:05.400can help us to be more effectivethan why wouldn't we do those things right2700:02:05.439 --> 00:02:09.919exactly, you know, as we'rethinking of methodology. Yeah, there's a2800:02:09.919 --> 00:02:13.360few things, a few ways.We're going to get into some of that2900:02:13.479 --> 00:02:16.520little bit. But there's a fewways that we can approach sidewalk ministry and3000:02:16.599 --> 00:02:22.800those ways can can be if youhave two ways, for example, and3100:02:23.120 --> 00:02:29.360both are biblical but one is moreeffective, why wouldn't you use the one3200:02:29.400 --> 00:02:31.879that's more effective? Exactly? Youknow what I mean. So, yeah,3300:02:31.919 --> 00:02:36.240and we'll get into that. I'llbreak that down a little bit later3400:02:36.400 --> 00:02:39.000on. But we need to belooking at things, of course, not3500:02:39.039 --> 00:02:43.280from just a perspective of whether ornot it's effective, because there's there.3600:02:43.360 --> 00:02:49.319That's the trap of pragmatism, thatit's all about what works, when in3700:02:49.400 --> 00:02:52.639reality we're not called just to dowhat works, we're called to do what3800:02:52.719 --> 00:02:54.479honors the Lord. So you know, if we if we fall into the3900:02:54.520 --> 00:03:00.360trap of pragmatism, that's a trapof let's compromise the Gospel. So you4000:03:00.400 --> 00:03:05.719know, if we discovered somehow thatit was more effective to leave the gospel4100:03:05.719 --> 00:03:10.599out of the equation to save babiesor whatever, and we decided, well,4200:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.319we'll go with that because it's moreeffective, that would be the trap4300:03:14.400 --> 00:03:19.439of pragmatism, falling into that trapneglecting the Gospel, which the Bible says4400:03:19.560 --> 00:03:22.919is the power of God to salvation. If we leave the Gospel out,4500:03:23.039 --> 00:03:27.400we're no longer doing ministry. Correct, we're running a business or some other4600:03:27.439 --> 00:03:30.039thing, but we're not doing Ministryof Leave The Gospel out. So we4700:03:30.120 --> 00:03:35.080can't leave the Gospel out. Butif the gospels included in what we're doing,4800:03:35.159 --> 00:03:38.360if Jesus is at the center ofwhat we're doing. And again we4900:03:38.400 --> 00:03:42.960have choices to do things one oftwo ways or three ways or whatever,5000:03:43.000 --> 00:03:46.479and all of those ways are Biblicaland centered on the Gospel, but one5100:03:46.599 --> 00:03:50.120is more effective. We would befools not to employ the one that's more5200:03:50.159 --> 00:03:53.000effective. Exactly, you would be, it would actually be pride. Yeah,5300:03:53.039 --> 00:03:55.960as a matter of fact, stuckin your ways. It's the way5400:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.080you're used to doing things, youknow. Yeah, and so we do5500:04:00.159 --> 00:04:04.039need to allow the Lord to shakeus out of our ways. And sometimes5600:04:04.360 --> 00:04:10.199we will pretend that our ways arethe way, God's way and not be5700:04:10.280 --> 00:04:15.240able to be shaken from those ways. And and therefore we're robbing ourselves of5800:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.199fruit that would otherwise be bored.Will Robin God of fruit that would glorify5900:04:19.279 --> 00:04:28.720his name and possibly compromising the effectivenessof the ministry. Like we are called6000:04:28.839 --> 00:04:31.360not primarily to be afective. We'recalled primarily to be biblical, but we6100:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.959are called to be effective, tobear fruit right, right, and and6200:04:35.000 --> 00:04:41.279we kind of developed these ideas outof years of watching SEAMACH teams, watching6300:04:41.279 --> 00:04:46.839results and where a Gospel Focus Ministryalways have been. So that has always6400:04:46.879 --> 00:04:50.560been primary. There are some thingswe've done that with the Gospel as a6500:04:50.560 --> 00:04:55.959part of it that are less effectivethan other things we've done with the Gospel6600:04:56.040 --> 00:04:57.959as as, yeah, part ofit. Well, I want to mention6700:04:58.079 --> 00:05:01.000this, okay, because this isa recent conversation that I'm having with myself,6800:05:01.040 --> 00:05:04.560okay, and with others, andwe've had the conversation as well.6900:05:04.639 --> 00:05:10.319Yeah, and we've did podcast.We've done podcast about the use of victim7000:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.800images. Right, and if youguys have any questions about where we stand7100:05:13.839 --> 00:05:15.600on that, please go back andlisten to our podcast. We did it7200:05:15.600 --> 00:05:19.800with some folks from CBR, centerfor bioethical reform, who use victim images7300:05:19.839 --> 00:05:25.319primarily on college campuses and stuff.And so I'm not going to go over7400:05:25.319 --> 00:05:30.439and rehash kind of our philosophy onvictim images, except to say that is7500:05:30.480 --> 00:05:34.560it biblical to use victim images?Absolutely. Jesus was crucified on a hillside.7600:05:34.600 --> 00:05:39.040The Bible says he was marred beyondbeyond the form of a man in7700:05:39.079 --> 00:05:42.360front of everyone. Would God showgraphic images? Yes, he would.7800:05:42.600 --> 00:05:47.199Right, but does that mean thatif you don't use victim images you're not7900:05:47.240 --> 00:05:51.759doing biblical ministry? No, theBible does not say when you go out8000:05:51.759 --> 00:05:56.920to an abortion clinic thou shalt usevictim images. Right, it gives us8100:05:57.000 --> 00:06:01.959the allowance to use the victim images. But if there are scenarios in which8200:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.560I can use victim images and babiescan be saved because of that, then8300:06:08.639 --> 00:06:11.279you know I want to have theoption to use those. But if there's8400:06:11.279 --> 00:06:15.720scenarios in which it would be moreeffective for me not to use victim images,8500:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.519and yet I'm still keeping the Gospel. Listen, when you're holding up8600:06:19.519 --> 00:06:24.800a victim of abortion, you arenot preaching the Gospel. That's not a8700:06:24.839 --> 00:06:30.199gospel thing, right. It couldbe preparation work for the Gospel, just8800:06:30.279 --> 00:06:34.040like the law. We Love GreatComfort, we love his method of evangelism,8900:06:34.920 --> 00:06:39.680but when he shares the law,when he shares the fact that we're9000:06:39.720 --> 00:06:43.639all under the judgment of God,that's not the Gospel. Actually, the9100:06:44.040 --> 00:06:47.519Ten Commandments, they are not theGospel. They are the preparation work,9200:06:47.519 --> 00:06:54.639potentially for the Gospel. Right,the Gospel is Jesus Christ died for our9300:06:54.639 --> 00:06:57.319sins. I mean First Corinthians,Chapter Fifteen. You look at Paul lays9400:06:57.319 --> 00:06:59.279out. Here's The gospel of that. Preach you on. I what what9500:06:59.360 --> 00:07:02.079Paul Preached as Gospel. He laysit out very clearly. He says that9600:07:02.199 --> 00:07:05.639Jesus Christ died for our sins,according to the scripture, that he was9700:07:05.680 --> 00:07:10.360buried and on the third day herose again, according to the scripture.9800:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.120That's the Gospel. Jesus death,burial and resurrection. That's the Gospel.9900:07:15.199 --> 00:07:18.240Now other things are preparation for theGospel, and victim images just kind of10000:07:18.480 --> 00:07:23.920go back to that. So Idon't rabbit trail too much. Victim images10100:07:23.959 --> 00:07:28.519can be effective, but also theycan be a hindrance. Yeah, they10200:07:28.560 --> 00:07:33.800can really cause people to be angryrather than receptive, because at the end10300:07:33.839 --> 00:07:36.639of the day, like, whyare we at the abortion center? And10400:07:36.680 --> 00:07:40.759I guess you guys who are listening, you'd have to ask yourself why are10500:07:40.800 --> 00:07:45.959you out there? Are you outthere just to communicate information, or you10600:07:46.000 --> 00:07:48.759out there to engage with people goinginto the abortion center? Right, because10700:07:48.800 --> 00:07:55.160if there are things that you're doingthat makes your engagements either less or more10800:07:55.199 --> 00:07:59.759hostile, then you probably need tochange what you're doing right, right,10900:07:59.800 --> 00:08:03.560and I do not mean leaving theGospel out, because that's a nonnegotiable,11000:08:03.600 --> 00:08:05.279but there's other things that are sortof negotiable. Yeah, I think.11100:08:05.360 --> 00:08:11.480Yeah, and so go back tojust that victim image idea. Yeah,11200:08:11.639 --> 00:08:15.519is, you know, and itmay not be in either or it could11300:08:15.519 --> 00:08:20.360be that maybe there are situations whereyou can use them, but you you11400:08:20.439 --> 00:08:26.519modify, yeah, how they're usedup the street in conjunction with a saved11500:08:26.600 --> 00:08:33.000baby. So so being able toverbalize what your goal is out there is11600:08:33.000 --> 00:08:37.000really critical because if your goal isengagement with the people, yeah, there's11700:08:37.000 --> 00:08:39.200no doubt that sometimes that victim imageis gonna, yeah, it's going to11800:08:39.360 --> 00:08:45.480affect that. And that's just oneexample of you know, that I just11900:08:45.519 --> 00:08:46.960kind of pulled out off the topof my head. There's other examples of12000:08:46.960 --> 00:08:50.600the way that you could do things. Yeah, but as we're talking about12100:08:50.639 --> 00:08:54.639this, because we've been talking,you and I've had some conversations about looking12200:08:54.679 --> 00:08:58.960at our teams across the nation howthey're doing, and there's are there some12300:08:58.000 --> 00:09:03.200ways that we can help in encouragethem? Are there's some ways, like12400:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.759some kind of general principles that wecan help equip them so they're they're more12500:09:05.799 --> 00:09:11.720effective on the sidewalk, so that'syou're not discourage themselves, right. Yeah,12600:09:11.720 --> 00:09:13.879and so, in a sense,like are there some how to things12700:09:13.919 --> 00:09:16.559that we can help them with,which is what we're going to really talk12800:09:16.639 --> 00:09:20.879about this and if you guys everwatched our training, or one hundred one12900:09:20.919 --> 00:09:24.440sidewalk training, you'll know we talkedabout the how. Is the meat of13000:09:24.480 --> 00:09:26.639the training. Like it's, it'sreally where you want to pay attention.13100:09:26.679 --> 00:09:30.840So we're going to talk about someof these how some of these effective strategies13200:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.480and the how of that. Butas we were talking yesterday, one of13300:09:33.519 --> 00:09:37.759the things I said to you wasthat the how a lot of times will13400:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.080work itself out if people have thewhy right, if they understand, because13500:09:43.399 --> 00:09:50.200what happens is we begin to driftfrom the why right. So an example13600:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.960of that is if you're in acity where you have pro abortion people that13700:09:52.960 --> 00:09:56.879are out there constantly and they're naggingyou, and we have that here in13800:09:56.000 --> 00:10:01.080Charlotte, it is so easy todrift as far as your why is concerned,13900:10:01.159 --> 00:10:05.639why you're out there, and thenstart to think that you're out there14000:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.840because of the pro boarts, you'reout there because of the political persuasion of14100:10:11.840 --> 00:10:15.159those people. These socialists are tryingto take over our country or whatever,14200:10:15.200 --> 00:10:20.519and you can drift in your whyideologically they're trying to take our country captive14300:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.440and you can start to think yourwhy and in the motivation for coming out14400:10:24.480 --> 00:10:28.320there is to deal with these proboards change their hearts. Change their hearts,14500:10:28.399 --> 00:10:31.720change their minds or whatever, andcertainly God can do that and we14600:10:31.320 --> 00:10:37.120certainly want the Lord to do that. But that's not why the Lord called14700:10:37.200 --> 00:10:39.840you out there initially. Hey,right, he didn't call you out there14800:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.240to deal with the pro boorts.And, as a matter of fact,14900:10:43.279 --> 00:10:46.600if that's your motivation and that's yourfocus, then you have drifted away from15000:10:46.600 --> 00:10:52.039the original why and you fallen intotheir trap. That's the trap and whether15100:10:52.120 --> 00:10:56.360they know it or not, thedevil certainly knows it. That's the trap15200:10:56.080 --> 00:11:00.000that they want you to fall into, that he wants you to fall into.15300:11:00.080 --> 00:11:03.000Yes, here's the trap of continuallythinking about them, having your mind15400:11:03.120 --> 00:11:07.159drive. I mean, if you'reaway from the side walking you're thinking about15500:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.440the pro boorts and how nasty andstuff they are. Yeah, probably need15600:11:09.480 --> 00:11:13.519to bring it before the Lord.Yeah, probably need to let the Lord15700:11:13.559 --> 00:11:16.080take that stuff out of your heart, in your mind, because the reality15800:11:16.279 --> 00:11:20.360is, in the eternal scope ofthings, their activities and stuff. If15900:11:20.399 --> 00:11:28.320we really believe that God is themost powerful being ever there, their activity16000:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.879is pretty irrelevant in the grand schemeof things. Right. Remember, you're16100:11:31.919 --> 00:11:35.919a child of God, you havethe Holy Spirit of the Living God inside16200:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.080of you, and the activities ofevil people that are under control of the16300:11:39.120 --> 00:11:43.639devil is, in a sense irrelevant. Now, I get it there annoying16400:11:43.720 --> 00:11:46.519and I get it there a distractionand they cause problems and all that stuff.16500:11:46.559 --> 00:11:50.919I'm not trying to minimize that,but I am saying is we do16600:11:50.000 --> 00:11:54.759serve an eternal God and we doneed to look to him. We need16700:11:54.799 --> 00:11:58.159to be a we. We sayoften we need to be motivated not by16800:11:58.200 --> 00:12:03.480the the the horror of abortion,but by the beauty of Jesus. Right.16900:12:03.519 --> 00:12:05.759And so I would ask you ifyour mind is captivating to distracted?17000:12:05.840 --> 00:12:11.240Have you lost the why? Andwhat is the main why of why we're17100:12:11.279 --> 00:12:15.519out there? Yeah, well,my main why is to glorify God,17200:12:15.559 --> 00:12:20.120to magnify his holy name. That'sstep father, but that's true in in17300:12:20.320 --> 00:12:22.080of my general life. Yeah,I would say, if I'm going to17400:12:22.120 --> 00:12:31.039be totally honest about with the sidewalk, yes, glorify God through intervening and17500:12:31.279 --> 00:12:35.440interceding for those unborn babies. Yeah, that's the specific focus. Yeah,17600:12:35.440 --> 00:12:41.159I want to glorify him, butthe focus is those are born babies.17700:12:41.240 --> 00:12:46.080Yeah, so why is the motivationto glorify God and why does that motivation17800:12:46.120 --> 00:12:50.200carry you to the sidewalk? It'sbecause they're murdering babies inside, and I17900:12:50.240 --> 00:12:54.519love God and God loves those babies. God has called us to be a18000:12:54.519 --> 00:12:58.759good neighbor. God has called usto be a voice for the voiceless.18100:12:58.799 --> 00:13:05.039So I am honoring God and magnifyinghim by how I'm going to deal when18200:13:05.080 --> 00:13:07.600I'm out on that sidewalk. Yeah, those babies are going to die today.18300:13:07.639 --> 00:13:11.559The pro boats probably are not.I mean they could, but I18400:13:11.679 --> 00:13:13.759probably are not. So that's whymy focus is on the immediate crisis and18500:13:13.840 --> 00:13:18.000what I'm called to do is todeal with those unborn children. And I18600:13:18.039 --> 00:13:24.320love what you told me. Itwas very powerful saying if you give the18700:13:24.399 --> 00:13:31.840why remind people through, and yousaid, the image of a baby,18800:13:31.120 --> 00:13:37.279a victim, yeah, of abortion. You can bring people back to Oh18900:13:37.399 --> 00:13:43.240yeah, all that other stuff thatpails in comparison to that horrific picture.19000:13:43.320 --> 00:13:48.720Yeah, that's why we're there,and what I love about that is so19100:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.799many of these things were going togo over I'm like the anointed Nagger of19200:13:52.840 --> 00:13:56.799our ministry, right, yeah,very skilled at nagging. You have an19300:13:56.799 --> 00:14:03.559annointed is. I'm nagging all thetime because we drift away from these basic19400:14:03.639 --> 00:14:11.000how to and it struck me whenyou said return people to the philosophy of19500:14:11.120 --> 00:14:15.320why they're doing what they're doing,and those things I have to Nag about19600:14:15.399 --> 00:14:20.919might just fall away because people nolonger want to be ineffective. Yeah,19700:14:20.919 --> 00:14:24.840and that major focus. Yeah,yeah, get the why right and the19800:14:24.919 --> 00:14:30.639how that that will fall into place. Often Times, the reason why we19900:14:30.799 --> 00:14:37.080drift away from and you know,I don't want to jump into the how20000:14:37.240 --> 00:14:39.559part just yet. Okay, butthe reason why we drift away from some20100:14:39.600 --> 00:14:45.399of these kind of common how tothings is because we lose the why.20200:14:45.480 --> 00:14:48.039Yeah, we lose while we're outthere, we lose the gravity of what's20300:14:48.080 --> 00:14:52.759happening at that place. And so, for example, one of the one20400:14:52.759 --> 00:14:56.440of the most desperate detrimental things thatcan happen in the ministry on the sidewalk20500:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.120is that we clump together in ChitChat while we're out there. Right,20600:15:01.159 --> 00:15:03.559I mean it's it's a kind ofmind yeah, in this kind of time.20700:15:03.600 --> 00:15:07.200I see it ever, probably everyday out there right at sometimes very20800:15:07.240 --> 00:15:11.200limited. Sometimes we catch ourselves,but I'm telling you, teams, if20900:15:11.240 --> 00:15:15.120you're listening, you're probably doing this. Yeah, and you need to pay21000:15:15.120 --> 00:15:18.200attention because this is detrimental to oureffectiveness. And I'll tell you a little21100:15:18.240 --> 00:15:22.159story about that very briefly. Iwas out there, I won't say what21200:15:22.240 --> 00:15:26.440day, and I saw a groupof our counselors clump together and I was21300:15:26.519 --> 00:15:31.679had another portion of the sidewalk andsaw a woman, a clump of three21400:15:31.720 --> 00:15:37.120of them, walk in the doorand I'm waiting. I was far away21500:15:37.159 --> 00:15:41.159and no one saw them because theywere all talking with each other because they're21600:15:41.200 --> 00:15:45.120also wonderful. They we do withwonderful people. I get it, but21700:15:45.320 --> 00:15:50.039they were missed because of clumping andChit Chat. Yeah, yeah, it21800:15:50.080 --> 00:15:52.879happens a lot. And and howdoes it get there? And again,21900:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.320I don't like to come down heavyand I will say, and I know22000:15:56.399 --> 00:16:00.519you'll say too, I'll falling victimof that. I'm out there, I'll22100:16:00.639 --> 00:16:07.120chit chat sometimes. I get it, but how do we allow ourselves to22200:16:07.120 --> 00:16:12.039to begin just to have Chit Chat, sort of shooting the breeze conversations out22300:16:12.080 --> 00:16:15.840there is because we've forgotten that babiesare dying inside of that place, right.22400:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.639So if we bring ourselves back andremind ourselves of the why, yeah,22500:16:19.720 --> 00:16:23.639then we can keep ourselves from doingthat. Another thing. That is22600:16:23.639 --> 00:16:27.799a reality that we deal with.We want to glorify God, we want22700:16:27.799 --> 00:16:33.679to see baby saved, but alsowe can't forget that there are people,22800:16:33.720 --> 00:16:37.120there are women, walking into thatplace who are going to kill their child.22900:16:37.240 --> 00:16:41.240They're going to become captivated by thesin of abortion and if they don't23000:16:41.279 --> 00:16:44.679repent, they're going to end upin hell. Yeah, and the men23100:16:44.720 --> 00:16:47.039going in that are bringing their girlfriends. I mean, think about that.23200:16:47.080 --> 00:16:51.240These men are, some of them, pressuring the girlfriend to have an abortion.23300:16:51.360 --> 00:16:53.639How's it going to be for themwhen they stand before God, right?23400:16:53.679 --> 00:16:59.000And what if no one ever givesthem an opportunity to hear the Gospel23500:16:59.000 --> 00:17:00.240and to turn from their sin andput their trust in Jesus? They're going23600:17:00.279 --> 00:17:03.680to end up in hell for eternityor ever. Help some deven recognize that23700:17:03.880 --> 00:17:07.960uses and that there was at thatthere's anything to repent. Yeah. So23800:17:08.000 --> 00:17:14.799we're dealing with eternal things and we'vebeen given an eternal message that can change23900:17:14.920 --> 00:17:18.680hearts and change lives. And sowe can't lose the gravity that babies are24000:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.319dying, that people are going toend up in hell. And I think24100:17:21.319 --> 00:17:23.480about the workers to you know.You know they're not our primary focus,24200:17:23.559 --> 00:17:26.359but we do call out to theworkers and we send many of them quit.24300:17:26.400 --> 00:17:30.640We've even some seen some of themcome to the Lord. If we24400:17:30.720 --> 00:17:33.799lose our focus, if we loseour wife, we get distracted out there,24500:17:33.799 --> 00:17:37.039if we're just out there to beout there because it's part of our24600:17:37.079 --> 00:17:41.480weekly rhythm rather than we're out therebecause they're killing children and people are going24700:17:41.519 --> 00:17:44.920to end up in hell, thenwe've lost our why and we need to24800:17:44.920 --> 00:17:47.799get back to it and listen.I will say, and I know you24900:17:47.920 --> 00:17:51.960agree, Vicki, that this thismessage. Preachers say this message. I'm25000:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.319preaching it to me as much asI am to you. There's a sense25100:17:53.359 --> 00:17:56.799in which that's true. Yeah,I'm preaching that to myself as much as25200:17:56.880 --> 00:18:00.839I am to you. So,yeah, there's we fall into this.25300:18:00.880 --> 00:18:03.400We all fall into these traps.That's why we're talking about them. Yeah,25400:18:03.480 --> 00:18:07.359exactly. And the motivation, thewhy for us is we want to25500:18:07.400 --> 00:18:11.680see you guys see babies can besaved and people come to the Lord.25600:18:11.720 --> 00:18:15.240We want you guys to be aseffective as possible. You are listening to25700:18:15.279 --> 00:18:19.599the podcast. So then let's jumpinto some of the how I think we've25800:18:19.680 --> 00:18:23.799laid the foundation for the why hereand reminded people of the why that we're25900:18:23.799 --> 00:18:27.000out there. Yeah, can touchon that enough. But what are some26000:18:27.079 --> 00:18:33.079of the just practical things that wecan do and be aware of that would26100:18:33.119 --> 00:18:37.720make us more effective on the sidewall? Yeah, and one of the26200:18:37.720 --> 00:18:41.960first things his strategic placement of ofyour team's. How many team members do26300:18:41.039 --> 00:18:45.039you have and where are the bestplaces to place them? Yeah, we've26400:18:45.079 --> 00:18:48.599already kind of given away one ofthem. Don't clump. Yeah, so26500:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.920we're going to want to spread outthe teams. Yeah, so you find26600:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.640okay, first of all, isit vehicle traffic or is it walk ups?26700:18:56.799 --> 00:18:59.799Yeah, what is it? Mostly? You know, in New York26800:18:59.880 --> 00:19:02.440City it's mostly, I guess,walk ups. People are walking down the26900:19:02.480 --> 00:19:04.559street coming from a subway. Yeah, here in some of our other cities27000:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.559are like that as well. So, yeah, important to know. Yeah,27100:19:08.599 --> 00:19:12.119and then analyze. I know youuse Google maps and you do an27200:19:12.119 --> 00:19:17.160overhead view and and you will youfind the points at which people can come27300:19:17.200 --> 00:19:19.279from. And if, depending onhow many team members you have, you27400:19:19.279 --> 00:19:22.400you really prioritize. You say,if I only have one team member,27500:19:22.440 --> 00:19:26.599here's where he's going to go.The we never recommend you just one team27600:19:26.599 --> 00:19:30.240member, but if I only haveone in it, that's usually the place,27700:19:30.359 --> 00:19:33.240right by the door, right,no matter where, what facility you're27800:19:33.240 --> 00:19:34.720at. Yeah, that last moment. Get them. Yeah, it could27900:19:34.759 --> 00:19:37.440be that or could be by thedriveway, like in Charlotte. Right,28000:19:37.519 --> 00:19:42.119yeah, latrobe, it's that driveway. Yeah, like that's priority position number28100:19:42.160 --> 00:19:47.119one. So now everybody decide onthat. Everybody team team leads or whatever.28200:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.720Yeah, sure that you are clear. If there's only one member,28300:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.160this is where that member has togo. Yeah. Yeah, so strategic28400:19:53.200 --> 00:19:57.319placement. Getting it'll keep you fromclumping up and being in Chit Chat Mode28500:19:57.640 --> 00:20:02.599and being lighthearted about the thing.If you spread out and you understand why28600:20:02.680 --> 00:20:06.839you're out there. Right, thisis this is a battle not between people28700:20:06.839 --> 00:20:10.599but between light and darkness, andI was as we were talking yesterday,28800:20:10.720 --> 00:20:15.119just kind of this picture came tomind. You asking the question how do28900:20:15.160 --> 00:20:18.200we lose the why? So thatwe don't employ the how? How do29000:20:18.240 --> 00:20:22.839we kind of lose our strategies,everything fall apart and just go out there29100:20:22.839 --> 00:20:26.200and just be out there, tobe out there again. We lose the29200:20:26.279 --> 00:20:30.519why. But it's also it becomesit becomes like a common scenario. So29300:20:30.559 --> 00:20:33.839the picture I had was if you'rein battle, if you've got soldiers that29400:20:33.880 --> 00:20:37.319have been in battle for a longtime, you know when you're first out29500:20:37.359 --> 00:20:38.920there in battle, and you guysknow, if you know you've been on29600:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.720the sidewalk for a while, ifyou can remember back the first time you29700:20:41.799 --> 00:20:47.200went out there, you were awareof the battle and it was an uncommon29800:20:47.200 --> 00:20:49.359scenario for you. And so it'slike a soldier being in battle. There's29900:20:49.400 --> 00:20:55.079bullets whizzo by and it's a bigdeal. Right, there's a battle raging30000:20:55.119 --> 00:20:59.000and they're alert, they're vigilant,they're aware of what's going on. You've30100:20:59.000 --> 00:21:02.960been in battle for a long time, for five years, the bullets whizzom30200:21:03.000 --> 00:21:06.079by your head. It's a commonthing. You just used to it right30300:21:06.160 --> 00:21:07.359and it's right, and so youkind of loosen up. You start,30400:21:07.480 --> 00:21:11.720you know, just chatting with yourbattle buddies or whatever. You get on30500:21:11.759 --> 00:21:15.960the walkie talkie. I'm giving analogyhere, and you're talking to to the30600:21:15.000 --> 00:21:18.720guy back at the mess hall orwhatever. You start to lose the gravity30700:21:18.799 --> 00:21:22.359of the fact that you're in battle, and that's how you drift away from30800:21:22.400 --> 00:21:26.359being vigilant, having your eyes open, paying attention to what's going on,30900:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.960paying attention to the battle. Yeah, you lose strategy because you lose the31000:21:32.039 --> 00:21:36.920gravity of the battle. Right.And so, as we're sharing these practical31100:21:36.960 --> 00:21:40.519things, I think more than anything, this this whole theme of why we're31200:21:40.519 --> 00:21:44.039out there, the theme that youwe're in a battle, not between human31300:21:44.119 --> 00:21:48.559beings in us, but between principalitiesand powers. We know the scripture,31400:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.599right, Effesians chapter six. Right. Sometimes I would visualize the the demons31500:21:52.680 --> 00:21:57.200on the rooftop, yeah, oron the shoulders of the women as they're31600:21:57.240 --> 00:22:00.880coming in, because it helps meto remember that. Yeah, or some31700:22:02.000 --> 00:22:04.720consorts have told me they've visualize thebaby in the womb and the fight that31800:22:04.720 --> 00:22:11.240that baby's going to have. Ithink those are all good anything that keeps31900:22:11.240 --> 00:22:15.279you focused on the fact that thisis truly a war between good and evil.32000:22:15.400 --> 00:22:19.279And then maybe he's going to dieif someone doesn't rescue that baby.32100:22:19.359 --> 00:22:25.799Yeah. So the first thing thatwe have in how is strategic placement.32200:22:26.160 --> 00:22:30.359Placing your team in strategic spots,not just being out there right and all32300:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.400standing together. And that's the nextthing, and I'm telling you, I32400:22:33.400 --> 00:22:37.440can't stress this. We can't stressthis enough. Being clumped up into a32500:22:37.440 --> 00:22:41.319group, not only does it makeit more intimidating because people aren't going to32600:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.319stop for a group of people likethey would stop for an individual. If32700:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.000you're handing out literature and there arefour people there in one group and they're32800:22:48.039 --> 00:22:49.720all handing out literature, they're alltrying to get you to stop, you're32900:22:49.720 --> 00:22:52.880not going to stop. Quite likely, you're the anime to that. You're33000:22:52.920 --> 00:22:56.759an enemy in force. Honestly,the smaller the teams are, quite often33100:22:56.880 --> 00:23:02.079the more literature. Yeah, Ipersonally hand out. Yeah, yeah,33200:23:02.160 --> 00:23:06.000that can be the case. Yeah, we do of course encourage I mean33300:23:06.319 --> 00:23:10.039we're a ministry that encourages people comeout in big groups to pray. Right.33400:23:10.079 --> 00:23:12.039So there is a balance and weknow that the more people that come33500:23:12.039 --> 00:23:15.720out there to pray the less peopleshow up for abortions. But there is33600:23:15.759 --> 00:23:18.920a balance and there's a way tostrategically do that, like, for the33700:23:18.960 --> 00:23:22.559prayer walks here in Charlotte, forexample. The prayer walkers are across the33800:23:22.559 --> 00:23:26.119street were our sidewalk teams are onthe same side of the street as the33900:23:26.160 --> 00:23:29.480abortion center. That's a that's strategicright. We don't want all the prayer34000:23:29.519 --> 00:23:32.519walkers there on that side, butwe do know that babies are saved because34100:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.079people keep driving they see the prayerwalkers there and that's effective. Yeah,34200:23:37.079 --> 00:23:40.119but you know, especially if you'vegot foot traffic, I would say,34300:23:40.119 --> 00:23:44.759but vehicular traffic to if you've gotfoot track of traffic, people walking up34400:23:44.759 --> 00:23:48.039and you got a group of peoplethat are together, people are less likely.34500:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.240Women are going to be less likelyto engage with that group, right,34600:23:52.319 --> 00:23:55.519right, then they would with withone person. Yeah, and to34700:23:55.519 --> 00:24:00.039take that a step further, ifa woman starts talking to one of the34800:24:00.039 --> 00:24:04.640the counselor's a mom coming in,then everybody tends to want to be in34900:24:04.680 --> 00:24:08.240on that action and clump together.We see that all the time and that35000:24:08.359 --> 00:24:14.920is another thing don't do. Don'tto leave that person in that developing that35100:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.920very tenuous relationship alone unless she specificallycalls for help. Yeah, yeah,35200:24:21.119 --> 00:24:23.960if you've got you a situation likeours. For example, if someone stops35300:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.119for me, I'm will equipped havedone it long enough. I can handle35400:24:29.160 --> 00:24:32.480a conversation with a man or womanor whoever, right, but there are35500:24:32.519 --> 00:24:34.680some points where it gets into theconversation, where it gets deep with the35600:24:34.720 --> 00:24:37.759woman, and I think it'd bemore effective for another woman to be talking35700:24:37.759 --> 00:24:41.880to her. And I'll waive youover, but I do not want,35800:24:41.920 --> 00:24:45.960if I'm talking to somebody, foryou just to come over and start button35900:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.559into the conversation. Yeah, ifI'm doing sidewalk counseling, I'm doing it36000:24:48.599 --> 00:24:52.640on the sidewalk and it's not avehic, not a vehicle that stopped,36100:24:52.640 --> 00:24:56.079but it's a person I'm talking to. If you come up and start talking36200:24:56.160 --> 00:25:00.039into the situation when I didn't inviteyou, I'm not going to be very36300:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.440happy with you. Well, notonly are you're not going to be happy,36400:25:03.519 --> 00:25:07.519but if you're like me, youyou are going to find your all36500:25:07.559 --> 00:25:12.359that hard work derailed. Almost alwaysit derails the conversation. Yeah, so36600:25:12.480 --> 00:25:15.759we need to be all aware ofthat. We all do it. I36700:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.480do it, we all do it. We're all so excited, especially if36800:25:18.480 --> 00:25:22.799there's been a long period of noaction. Right, don't, don't enter36900:25:22.839 --> 00:25:26.960a conversation uninvited. It is almostalways better if it's just one on yeah,37000:25:26.960 --> 00:25:32.400almost always. Yes, realizing thatthe situations that we're dealing with are37100:25:32.559 --> 00:25:37.039volatile situations. The women that weretalking to are vulnerable people. They've been37200:25:37.079 --> 00:25:41.920lied to by the Devil and otherpeople and they're they don't really want to37300:25:41.960 --> 00:25:47.039share all that's going on anyway.And so again you got to imagine young37400:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.640lady who's scared, who's finally openingup to one person. Here comes another37500:25:49.680 --> 00:25:55.079person along and then another person alongand it just gets to be too much.37600:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.759And I've seen conversation shut down becauseof that stuff. Right. It's37700:25:57.839 --> 00:26:03.359kind of like the picture of Iused to go fishing a lot, okay,37800:26:03.960 --> 00:26:07.160and you know, if you're ata pond and you're fishing, you37900:26:07.160 --> 00:26:11.519got your pole in the water,nobody's getting a bye. There's several people38000:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.440around the pond and then you alla sudden you get a bite. Yeah,38100:26:15.480 --> 00:26:18.440what happens? No one else isgetting a bye. Everybody comes to38200:26:18.599 --> 00:26:22.359your side of the pond and theywant to put their poll in where you've38300:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.279got yours in and all the fishrunaway. And the fish run away.38400:26:25.359 --> 00:26:27.279Yeah, and he swim away.They SAT. Well, exactly, they38500:26:27.720 --> 00:26:33.359swim away. So that's something tobe aware of. Guess now, can38600:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.240God use situations where three or fourpeople are ministring to one woman? Yeah,38700:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.559he can use all kinds of stuff. But just because it's a donkey,38800:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.240as you love to say, exactly. He can use a donkey,38900:26:44.279 --> 00:26:47.559but we don't take donkeys with uson the sidewalk, do we? Maybe39000:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.640we should, maybe we should,I don't know, maybe that's another podcast39100:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.920for another day. My point is, just because God would use something and39200:26:52.960 --> 00:26:57.279just because God has used something inthe past, does it necessarily mean that's39300:26:57.359 --> 00:27:03.400the best way to do things?Yeah, and so we're speaking, we're39400:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.400not speaking, understand, guess,from just a theoretical position. Okay,39500:27:08.400 --> 00:27:12.079we're speaking from experience. We've experiencedthese things, we've seen these things over39600:27:12.119 --> 00:27:18.519a course of years, but ofcourse we don't have it all figured out39700:27:18.519 --> 00:27:22.079either. So I would say I'mcorrectable in this matter. If you can39800:27:22.119 --> 00:27:26.480convince me that it's more effective tohave for people come together in a group39900:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.960to reach one woman going into theabortion center, then I'll hear you out,40000:27:30.000 --> 00:27:33.640but I'm going to tell you fromexperience it's not more effects. It's40100:27:33.680 --> 00:27:37.160more effective for you just to engageone on one with somebody and then if40200:27:37.200 --> 00:27:41.039you need somebody additional, come in. Hey, would you come over here40300:27:41.119 --> 00:27:42.200for a second? You know,you can call them over right and the40400:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.119other side of that is it forpeople are clumping to that one. Well,40500:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.920what about all the other women entering? And that's an important thing to40600:27:48.200 --> 00:27:52.400lose. Yeah, they're not goingto have someone interceding for them. I40700:27:52.440 --> 00:27:55.160will tell you. Sharing the Gospel, which is what we do on our40800:27:55.319 --> 00:28:00.279mobile ultrasound unit here, on thehelp Monroe mobile ultrasound unit, and when40900:28:00.319 --> 00:28:03.920I used to have the nurses andmaybe even someone else on board all trying41000:28:03.960 --> 00:28:07.119to share the gospel, it wasa mass. Yeah, but they have41100:28:07.160 --> 00:28:11.319since we've kind of gravitated to atleast when I'm on I share the gospel41200:28:11.359 --> 00:28:17.359loan, they usually disappear and ittakes that person that I'm sharing with out41300:28:17.400 --> 00:28:22.319of feeling like she is being observedso that she's much less selfconscious. She's41400:28:22.319 --> 00:28:29.759that. It just seems like thereare more salvations when when I'm able to41500:28:30.039 --> 00:28:33.319following train of thought one on one. Yeah, in that situation. Yeah,41600:28:33.759 --> 00:28:37.559I want to reiterate that point too, because if you're out there on41700:28:37.599 --> 00:28:41.680the sidewalk, I'll say, youknow, you that Latrobe, for example.41800:28:41.880 --> 00:28:45.319Yeah, and someone pulls into theparking lot and they stopped to take41900:28:45.359 --> 00:28:49.000information and one of our counselors isis engaging with them, and then you42000:28:49.039 --> 00:28:53.079got to other counselors that want tocome and engage also. Yeah, and42100:28:53.119 --> 00:28:56.640they pull away from calling out.Then you've got a woman that maybe is42200:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.240already in the parking lot in hercar walking to the door and she's not42300:29:00.240 --> 00:29:04.839getting addressed because the other two counselorsbesides the one that's already engaging are distracted42400:29:04.960 --> 00:29:10.799with that conversation. Let that personhave the conversation. What you have to42500:29:10.799 --> 00:29:14.400say is important, I'm sure,but trust that the Lord can use that42600:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.480person as well, unless, Iwould say, if it's a brand new42700:29:18.519 --> 00:29:22.359person, then maybe stand by andlisten in or whatever and interject. We42800:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.599know that just practically they're brand new, they need some help. Obvious and42900:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.799experienced person should be near them inthat case. Yeah, exactly, but43000:29:29.839 --> 00:29:33.720we don't want everyone dropping their polein the water when there's other fish that43100:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.160could be caught in other places inthe pond. You know. And just43200:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.079a side point, if you aresomeone who is engaging with a pro abortion43300:29:41.119 --> 00:29:47.640person, and someone then near you, one of your fellow counselors, begins43400:29:47.640 --> 00:29:51.759to engage with a woman. Reallytake that conversation somewhere else with that pro43500:29:51.799 --> 00:29:56.079abortion person. I have been sodistracted by the how loud it can get43600:29:56.119 --> 00:30:02.160sometimes when when someone else is addressingother people. So be really careful about43700:30:02.200 --> 00:30:06.480that. You need to be quietin that discussion if there's a nearby discussion43800:30:06.519 --> 00:30:08.160with the mom, because again,the Moma, the MOMS, are focus.43900:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.680Yeah, all right. Well,let's let's wrap up with this final44000:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.599effective strategy. We had three here. The first his strategic placement of your44100:30:17.640 --> 00:30:22.119team, the second is don't clumpup together, right, and the third44200:30:22.279 --> 00:30:26.920is your first impressions. Yeah,by this what we mean is, and44300:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.480what do they say? What's thething? The first impression? One chance44400:30:30.599 --> 00:30:33.720to make your first impression. Ithink it's something something like that. But44500:30:33.880 --> 00:30:38.359what we mean by that is whensomeone's pulling into the parking lot, what's44600:30:38.440 --> 00:30:41.920the first impression they have of useit? One of like angry wagon,44700:30:42.000 --> 00:30:45.960the finger, don't go in there, murder your baby. Or when someone's44800:30:47.000 --> 00:30:51.680walking up the sidewalk and they're comingto the abortion center, is the first44900:30:51.680 --> 00:30:56.160impression they're getting is they murder babiesin there? Don't go murder your baby,45000:30:56.359 --> 00:31:03.119or is the first impression inviting themto have a conversation with you and45100:31:03.240 --> 00:31:07.599you have to ask yourself, whyam I out there? We talked about45200:31:07.640 --> 00:31:12.480that earlier, right, but areyou out there just to deliver information?45300:31:14.039 --> 00:31:18.960Did God call you out there justto deliver information? We talked before about45400:31:18.000 --> 00:31:21.559the differences. If you guys again, listen to the training, the one45500:31:21.720 --> 00:31:23.119one training, watch the training,you'll know that I kind of give this45600:31:23.160 --> 00:31:29.000contrast between two types of ministry thatcan happen at an abortion center. One45700:31:29.079 --> 00:31:33.519is the Prophetic men street the profithe's just there to deliver the mail.45800:31:33.599 --> 00:31:37.519Think of it like street preachers andthat's my tendency. Anyway. That's that's45900:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.920my background. Street preacher on thecorner delivering the mail. Yeah, you46000:31:41.039 --> 00:31:44.319engage with people if they come andtalk you, but if they don't come46100:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.559and talk, you just there todeliver the mail anyway. Right. Yeah,46200:31:47.599 --> 00:31:49.519so that ministry can happen at theabortion center and I've seen God use46300:31:49.599 --> 00:31:56.319that and I'm not trying to marginalizeand minimize that ministry, but the Ministry46400:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.279of the evangelist, and I don'tmean to say the prophetic voice is an46500:32:00.279 --> 00:32:02.519evangelistic it is. They're sharing theGospel. To praise God for that.46600:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.559But the Ministry of the evangelist andthe story that I kind of base this46700:32:07.640 --> 00:32:10.799on is the story of Philip theevangelist. In Acts, Chapter Eight,46800:32:10.839 --> 00:32:15.079I think it is, where Philipthe evangelist encounters the Ethiopian unuch. You46900:32:15.079 --> 00:32:20.640guys know the story right. Notonly is he there delivering information, but47000:32:20.680 --> 00:32:25.079he's actually helping the Ethiopian UNICH processthe information. He's right, okay,47100:32:25.240 --> 00:32:29.839gets up in the chariot right,explains to him what he's reading in the47200:32:29.839 --> 00:32:36.480scroll of Isaiah a lot more relational. It's more relational. So is our47300:32:36.480 --> 00:32:43.160calling as sidewalk counselors, sidewalk outreach volunteers, whatever, just to deliver47400:32:43.200 --> 00:32:46.519information? We have there just todeliver information? I would say, no,47500:32:46.920 --> 00:32:53.160we're not out there just to conveyinformation, but to give an invitation,47600:32:53.400 --> 00:32:57.680right, yeah, or to starta conversation. Right, that kind47700:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.640of rhymes right. Well, notout there just to deliver in formation,47800:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.279yeah, but to start a conversation. Yeah. So rather than the first47900:33:04.279 --> 00:33:07.240impression being don't go in there andmurder your child, what if it was48000:33:07.720 --> 00:33:12.119the three talking points? Mommy,your baby is precious. We have help48100:33:12.200 --> 00:33:15.240for you. Please come over andtalk with me. Yeah, probably every48200:33:15.559 --> 00:33:22.720sentence that I give, as faras like my initial first impression sentence to48300:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.319a woman walking into the abortion center, is going to end with an invitation.48400:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.799So I might touch the three talkingpoints all in kind of one couple48500:33:30.839 --> 00:33:34.599of second speel, so to speak, but I'm almost always going to end48600:33:34.599 --> 00:33:36.680it with please, come over andtalk with us. I want to give48700:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.279an invitation, not just deliver information. Yeah, yeah, please, let48800:33:39.319 --> 00:33:43.039us help you. Is Yeah,and what I will say yeah, and48900:33:43.119 --> 00:33:47.000that's that. Does tie into thesignage that we use now again, our49000:33:47.000 --> 00:33:52.240philosophy on victim images is that Goduses them. I think it's biblical to49100:33:52.359 --> 00:33:55.640use them. I think you canuse them. I do think if you're49200:33:55.680 --> 00:34:00.079going to use them, at leastin my experience, it's good to use49300:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.960them in a balance. If you'regoing to show a victim of abortion,49400:34:02.079 --> 00:34:06.279right beside that needs to be ababy that will save from abortion. I49500:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.280set before you this day life anddeath, blessing and cursing. Also think49600:34:09.280 --> 00:34:14.280it's good to get those away fromthe areas of engagement because the interactions you49700:34:14.320 --> 00:34:17.159have when they're close to the areasof engagement are far more hostile. Yeah,49800:34:17.159 --> 00:34:22.239and you'll have far less interactions.And so because because of that first49900:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.679impression thing, like what's the firstthing they're seeing? People that are inviting50000:34:25.719 --> 00:34:29.920them to come and talk, toreceive information, to engage in the conversation,50100:34:30.599 --> 00:34:31.960or people who are just there totell them that what they're doing is50200:34:32.000 --> 00:34:36.599wrong? Yeah, for example,there's a bus that drives around that is50300:34:36.639 --> 00:34:39.599covered with scripture. In one ofthose scripture there's all kinds of pictures of50400:34:39.639 --> 00:34:44.199hell and you're going to hell ifyou murder your baby. I think is50500:34:44.239 --> 00:34:46.719on there. And when and wheneverI see that, I you know,50600:34:46.760 --> 00:34:51.840I get why they do what theydo, but I always shudder because it50700:34:52.039 --> 00:34:59.360always causes in greater anger out there, less interaction, less opportunity to hopefully50800:35:00.039 --> 00:35:02.440have some mom decide to come talkwith me, let me help her,50900:35:02.519 --> 00:35:07.880yeah, and save her baby.So, yeah, that first impression,51000:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.920I think my bias for sure isit needs to be inviting, it needs51100:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.880to be loving, it needs tobe helping, desiring to help, compassionate51200:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.800and leave the harder truths for downthe road. Yeah, if they'll come51300:35:22.840 --> 00:35:24.039and talk with you. You'll getyou'll be able to get to those.51400:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.639Yeah, but you may never geta second chance to get to those if51500:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.280you've scared away because your first,her first impression is your judgmental. You're51600:35:32.320 --> 00:35:37.280condemning, you hate me, you'reangry and I don't want anything to do51700:35:37.320 --> 00:35:43.000with you. Yeah. Yeah,yeah, and those first impressions do well.51800:35:43.079 --> 00:35:45.679Like we say, your tone setsthe tone. So the first impression51900:35:45.800 --> 00:35:51.840does set the tone for the conversation. It does help you to build a52000:35:51.880 --> 00:35:55.000relationship, because that's what you're doingin a sense, or it's relationship building.52100:35:55.039 --> 00:35:58.960You're trying to build trust with themand that little bit of time that52200:35:59.000 --> 00:36:00.760you have. Yeah, and so, yeah, the things that you say,52300:36:00.800 --> 00:36:05.639even the tone that you come acrossin can mean a lot. The52400:36:05.760 --> 00:36:08.079tone and the words you use,and I do want to make this point.52500:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.599I know we're short on time,so we're not we don't have many52600:36:10.599 --> 00:36:15.440more points left. But the words, be careful. If you can use52700:36:15.480 --> 00:36:20.000a word that is less inflammatory andstill truthful, I would always air on52800:36:20.039 --> 00:36:23.840that side. Yeah, at leastat the beginning. Murders and inflammatory term.52900:36:23.880 --> 00:36:28.159Taking the life of your baby meansthe same thing, but it just53000:36:28.360 --> 00:36:32.239is less inflammatory and angry sounding.Yeah, and so I would really encourage53100:36:32.239 --> 00:36:37.239people to really think about, thinkcarefully about those inflammatory words. Eat.53200:36:37.440 --> 00:36:40.599Yes, yeah, no doubt aboutit. Is Abortion, murder? Yeses,53300:36:40.800 --> 00:36:45.039is it? Is it okay thebiblical to say don't murder your baby?53400:36:45.480 --> 00:36:49.440Yeah, I'll say that. Ihave said that. Is it going53500:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.800to be the first thing that comesout of my mouth? Probably not,53600:36:52.920 --> 00:36:54.639definitely not. Yeah. And isit going to be the second thing?53700:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.920Probably not. Be along there.Yeah, if you have fifteen seconds you53800:37:00.360 --> 00:37:04.400might. My recommendation from what Ihave seen, where we get the most53900:37:04.400 --> 00:37:07.400engagement, the most baby saved,the most women coming to the Lord,54000:37:07.480 --> 00:37:12.920is those first fifteen seconds are spentpleading and helpful. Yeah, yeah,54100:37:13.119 --> 00:37:19.400absolutely. So we hope this podcastwas equipping. Maybe it challenged you guys.54200:37:19.440 --> 00:37:22.199Maybe it offended you. Maybe wesaid some things that offend you.54300:37:22.320 --> 00:37:27.840We we glory in offending people.We wouldn't be doing our job if we54400:37:27.880 --> 00:37:31.360didn't use someone. So if youwere offended, we'd love to hear from54500:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.880you. You can reach out tome, Daniel, Love Life Dot Org.54600:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.480You reach her, Vicki. Ilove life. Don't organ matter of54700:37:37.519 --> 00:37:39.159fact, good to her first.If you're offended, you have to set54800:37:39.199 --> 00:37:44.599us straight. Let they deal withit. Not a trust that we encourage54900:37:44.639 --> 00:37:47.159you guys, that we challenge youguys. But Hey, maybe there's some55000:37:47.239 --> 00:37:51.599point of clarification that you could bring. Please reach out to us. Maybe55100:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.000there's other subjects that you would likefor us to cover. Please let us55200:37:54.039 --> 00:37:58.360know. We'd love to hear fromyou, but until next time, God55300:37:58.360 --> 00:38:08.679bless God, bless you all.Give me our love for love, give55400:38:08.800 --> 00:38:19.239me our love for gratitude. Iknow it will cost me my life.55500:38:22.199 --> 00:38:35.159Nothing's too precious, and some thatyou