Reaching Out At Late Term Abortion Facilities

WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:08.000 This was a very sympathetic piece on a man who dismembers living twenty week and, 2 00:00:08.119 --> 00:00:15.000 above babies. Yeah, and for that to have been a sympathetic portrayal 3 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:21.920 shows the power of good writing and good storytelling right, and I think we 4 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:26.480 all need to keep that in mind because we need to change the narrative. 5 00:00:26.760 --> 00:00:32.039 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, and me, 6 00:00:32.280 --> 00:00:38.039 Lord, I am yours, I am yours. I'm welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:38.039 --> 00:00:43.719 Center pre life podcast, a podcast designed to equip, encourage and challenge you 8 00:00:43.719 --> 00:00:47.560 in pro life ministry, and always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay 9 00:00:47.600 --> 00:01:00.079 tuned. I felt show Passih touchs your home. Use Me. Welcome back 10 00:01:00.119 --> 00:01:04.079 to the Gospel centered pro life podcast. 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We've tried to do that 19 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.799 in the most recent episodes just because there's some new people that are coming on 20 00:01:38.840 --> 00:01:42.200 and listening. So my name is Daniel Parks. I'm the director or the 21 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:47.319 West Coast Regional Shepherd for love life, so oversee our efforts on the west 22 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:49.200 coast. Even though I'm on the East Coast, I'm actually out on the 23 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:55.760 west coast. A lot travel back and forth and I'm joined by Vicki Kessi 24 00:01:55.879 --> 00:02:00.079 Org. Hey, there everyone, and I am a sidewalk missionary here in 25 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:05.200 Charlotte. have been doing this almost a decade, yeah, and these podcasts 26 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:07.000 for about two years. Yeah, and so, you know, to toot 27 00:02:07.080 --> 00:02:13.000 our own horns and to let you guys know that we're like super official and 28 00:02:13.159 --> 00:02:17.360 we know everything about sidewalk ministry. Absolutely. We've been doing this for twenty 29 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:21.759 five combined years. Yeah, right, one time, and we're super humble 30 00:02:22.039 --> 00:02:24.800 about that. Right now, we are super humble, like even though we've 31 00:02:24.840 --> 00:02:30.080 been doing this for a while combined, twenty five years experience we're still learning 32 00:02:30.080 --> 00:02:35.400 stuff, like every every day and time we're out there, something new. 33 00:02:35.759 --> 00:02:38.080 We get to interact with you guys that are listening and you throw out suggestions 34 00:02:38.159 --> 00:02:43.840 to us and questions to us and we learned stuff from you guys. So, 35 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.439 to be honest, like we are humble to be able to serve you 36 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:50.919 guys in this way and to speak into your situation, speak into your city 37 00:02:50.960 --> 00:02:57.639 and the sidewalk out reach ministry there. But we're also we realize that maybe 38 00:02:57.680 --> 00:03:02.400 if you view us as experts, you've been duped because we pretend to be 39 00:03:02.439 --> 00:03:07.039 experts. We play experts on a podcast, in a ministry like this, 40 00:03:07.080 --> 00:03:10.639 they're just there. No real experts. There is always something that is going 41 00:03:10.680 --> 00:03:14.039 to throw you for a loop pretty much every day. Yeah, we day, 42 00:03:14.039 --> 00:03:16.680 you work, and that's why I always say yeah, in the trainings 43 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.759 that we do and stuff, it's like, if you want to know, 44 00:03:20.280 --> 00:03:25.080 I caught the super duper top secret trick, uhh, to being effective on 45 00:03:25.120 --> 00:03:28.960 the sidewalk right, you know what it is? Wiki beyond the sidewalk? 46 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.120 I don't know. No, that's not it. Nice tribe, but that 47 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:38.879 was wrong. The super duper top secret, secret, secret tip to be 48 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:40.879 effective on the sidewalk. Oh, be in the Lord, be in the 49 00:03:40.879 --> 00:03:46.840 word. How about walk with Jesus? Men, walk with Jesus. That 50 00:03:46.919 --> 00:03:49.719 includes being a prayer, being in the word. Yeah, but we do 51 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:52.360 think that we have some value to add you guys. We do think we 52 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:55.879 can take some of our experiences and just share him, share them on this 53 00:03:55.919 --> 00:04:00.280 podcast. That's what we intend to do. So in this episode I'll let 54 00:04:00.319 --> 00:04:05.520 you introduce the topic, Vicki. Okay, well, this did come from 55 00:04:05.520 --> 00:04:13.560 a counselor who is working or surfing at a facility where they only do late 56 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:16.800 term abortion. Yeah, and I didn't know there was such a facility. 57 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:25.360 It's in Boulder, Colorado, and I relatively famous abortionist. Warn her famous, 58 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:28.839 infamous, that's a better word. Warren Warren hern is his name, 59 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:33.759 and I guess us, the La Times wrote recently wrote an article on him 60 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:38.600 and then, I believe, the missionary saw that article and found out, 61 00:04:38.639 --> 00:04:42.560 wow, this is this is the facility where I'm going to be serving as 62 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:49.959 a sidewalk missionary or counselor, and so she sent us the article that the 63 00:04:50.040 --> 00:04:55.800 La Times wrote and asked if we were familiar with this. Sent us a 64 00:04:55.879 --> 00:05:02.560 rebuttal from a pro life thinks live action. It was like action. And 65 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:08.720 and then said, given that this is only late term abortions, would this 66 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:15.279 altar how you would speak to the women and your strategy? And we answered 67 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:19.720 separately, Daniel and I, in in letters. I've written an article that 68 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:25.600 includes roughly both of our our answers, little bit different. In many ways 69 00:05:25.639 --> 00:05:29.319 we agreed, but we had some slight differences. But also I did a 70 00:05:29.360 --> 00:05:32.399 little bit further research. I did read both of these articles. I recommend 71 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:38.160 everybody read them. And and then I did a little bit further research on 72 00:05:38.800 --> 00:05:44.319 why people come for a later term abortion, because that's important to know. 73 00:05:44.920 --> 00:05:48.839 Yeah, and that's what how this article developed in then this podcast developed. 74 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:54.399 was trying to add it not only adequately answered that missionaries question, but then 75 00:05:54.439 --> 00:06:00.199 someone else wrote us in a very similar situation and said what would you say? 76 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:04.759 That maybe as unique from what you would say to someone in a early 77 00:06:05.079 --> 00:06:10.079 term. Yeah, abortion. So that's how it Develta. Yeah, and 78 00:06:10.079 --> 00:06:15.680 we had talked about this a couple of episodes ago when we talked about getting 79 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:19.120 in the mindset. The encouragement in that podcast was we need to we need 80 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.800 to try the best we can to enter into the mindset of the women that 81 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:27.800 were ministering to so that we can understand their perspective and accurately speak into their 82 00:06:27.839 --> 00:06:31.519 situation. Right, I mentioned this little bit kind of the interaction that we 83 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:38.279 had yes the lady there in Colorado and that the mindset could be different. 84 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:42.680 So this is a more in depth look at that. Like what is that? 85 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:46.279 What is the mindset of a woman that's coming for late term abortion? 86 00:06:46.360 --> 00:06:50.120 Yeah, how would we tweak our language or what would we focus on? 87 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:55.079 Because you depending on the situation, again, whether it's a late term abortion 88 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.079 or whatever the situation might be. I mean, I'm even looking at the 89 00:06:58.079 --> 00:07:01.399 situation where if you're talking to someone who's taking the abortion pill versus someone who 90 00:07:01.399 --> 00:07:04.759 has a surgical abortion, is going in for a surgical abortion, there's a 91 00:07:04.759 --> 00:07:09.759 cut general framework is the three talking points, but there's a couple of things 92 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:13.800 that I'm going to say to the abortion pill person that I wouldn't say to 93 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:16.600 the surgical abortion person and vice versa. Right, correct. And so just 94 00:07:16.639 --> 00:07:20.399 there's a couple things to consider and as we're talking about late term abortions, 95 00:07:20.399 --> 00:07:24.319 there's a couple things to consider. Yeah, in the series. Yes, 96 00:07:24.399 --> 00:07:29.439 so in that article, one of the things that right off the bat they 97 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:31.639 met. I well, the article where I tried to find out the mindset 98 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:36.839 of the woman. So try to find out facts about late term abortions in 99 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:42.000 the mindset of the women, they term abortion is a is kind of a 100 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.399 term that they don't recommend you even use, right, because he doesn't really 101 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:48.160 have a lot of meaning. What is a late term abortion? So in 102 00:07:48.199 --> 00:07:54.399 this article it it talked about abortions after twenty weeks, right. Yeah, 103 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:58.839 so, and it's essentially third trum Mster abortion is socially essentially this a little 104 00:07:58.879 --> 00:08:03.519 bit before the third term. But but most abortion centers, I don't know 105 00:08:03.560 --> 00:08:09.199 even know if it's most. I know the abortion centers here in Charlotte are 106 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:11.680 up to about twenty weeks. Yeah, and and that's what a lot of 107 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:16.839 people are going to be coming in, you know, serving at. Although 108 00:08:16.879 --> 00:08:20.160 most abortions occur in the first trimester. Yeah, but there are women that 109 00:08:20.199 --> 00:08:26.680 come in that third trimester and I think that most people believe, and I 110 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:30.879 think you mentioned, that it's usually due to feed, a l abnormality of 111 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:35.960 some sort. But I wanted to find out specifically why people come for late 112 00:08:35.039 --> 00:08:41.519 term abortion in this article. I think it was really interesting. Why, 113 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:46.320 the main reasons, and it was a study, and of the main reasons 114 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:52.120 why women over forty, over twenty weeks, come for an abortion? Yeah, 115 00:08:52.159 --> 00:08:54.960 and they may have faced more than one of the following issues, which 116 00:08:54.039 --> 00:09:01.279 I'm going to go over, but they they reported facing these issues and this 117 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.519 is why they were coming for an abortion. Yeah, so they delayed the 118 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:13.600 decision to abort because of these particular correct. Okay, correct. So first 119 00:09:13.639 --> 00:09:18.679 of all, the the first I don't know item, was any barrier, 120 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:24.240 if there was any barrier present, thirty one percent of the women said that 121 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:28.679 there was some sort of a barrier, okay, and a barrier between them 122 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:33.440 and having the abortion. Correct, okay, correct. So now that they 123 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:43.240 don't specifically in this article ever list fetal abnormality, okay, or health risk 124 00:09:43.440 --> 00:09:48.399 with the mom okay, but the article did point out that that is those 125 00:09:48.399 --> 00:09:52.639 are both main issues for people in late term abortions. Not not necessarily the 126 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:56.120 only issue, maybe not an issue at all. Yeah, but those do 127 00:09:56.240 --> 00:10:03.320 occur and and a question that came to my mind right away was why wait 128 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:05.799 if there's a maternal risk? Why did they wait? Yeah, and one 129 00:10:05.799 --> 00:10:11.919 of the things the article pointed out is some maternal risk don't show up till 130 00:10:11.960 --> 00:10:16.240 the third term right, which I hadn't really thought about. High Blood Pressure, 131 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:20.519 pretty clamsy CLAMPSIA, all those sorts of things. So it's good to 132 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:22.799 know that. But any barrier? Thirty one percent of them said that there 133 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:28.399 was some sort of a barrier preventing them from getting an earlier abortion. Forty 134 00:10:28.480 --> 00:10:35.279 percent of them said raising money for the procedure and related costs. Now that's 135 00:10:35.399 --> 00:10:41.919 interesting because a third term abortion is thousands of dollars right, very expensive. 136 00:10:41.519 --> 00:10:48.240 So that means they couldn't even afford less expensive abortion. Yeah, and had 137 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:54.600 to go about somehow raising the money. Yeah, forty percent not knowing about 138 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:56.639 the pregnancy. Twenty percent. Again, a lot of us will look at 139 00:10:56.639 --> 00:11:01.159 that and say what, they don't know? They're twenty weeks pregnant. They 140 00:11:01.159 --> 00:11:03.360 don't know it. I'll tell you there was one time I went on the 141 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.480 RV there was a woman didn't even know she was pregnant on our mobile ultra 142 00:11:07.519 --> 00:11:11.159 sound rvy. She didn't even know she was pregnant. She was thirty two 143 00:11:11.399 --> 00:11:15.399 weeks. Yeah, so it happens, but it does happen. Twenty percent 144 00:11:15.440 --> 00:11:18.279 of them didn't know about the pregnancy. Yeah, by the way, I 145 00:11:18.360 --> 00:11:22.080 want y'all to keep in mind as I'm listing all these things, these are 146 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:28.120 not fetal abnormality or maternal risk. These are the same things that we sometimes 147 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:33.200 hear from the first term. Yeah, abortion, their doubt, difficulties securing 148 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:39.799 insurance coverage. Forty one percent. Now, that one made me gag, 149 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:43.720 because that means that some people do get insurance coverage for an abortion. Yeah, 150 00:11:43.759 --> 00:11:46.960 and if you don't know that, you need to know that. That's 151 00:11:46.039 --> 00:11:52.960 kind of sad as yeah, that insurance pays for abortions. Forty percent. 152 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:56.480 This is key. I think this might be the most important one. Trouble 153 00:11:56.639 --> 00:12:01.559 deciding about the abortion. Forty percent end. That means forty percent of the 154 00:12:01.559 --> 00:12:07.279 women coming for a late term abortion still have conflict in their heart. We 155 00:12:07.519 --> 00:12:13.480 know we can speak to that. Yeah, thirty eight percent did not know 156 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.960 where to go for an abortion. That floors me. Yeah, that's a 157 00:12:16.960 --> 00:12:22.399 big percentage. There's some abortion centers. I advertise they're all over the place, 158 00:12:22.559 --> 00:12:26.679 but thirty eight percent don't know where to go. Yeah, difficult difficulty 159 00:12:26.759 --> 00:12:33.200 getting to an abortion se facility. Twenty seven percent disagreeing about the abortion with 160 00:12:33.240 --> 00:12:39.639 the man involved. Twenty percent. Yeah, so, while fetal abnormality maternal 161 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:45.799 risk are big reasons for a late term abortion, they are hardly the only 162 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:52.720 reason, sometimes not even the most important reason, and that's very important for 163 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:58.679 people who are serving at those facilities to know you can speak to all these 164 00:12:58.720 --> 00:13:03.399 other issues, not just to the fetal abnormality and internal risk. Yeah. 165 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:11.600 So, so this this this abortionist Warren Hearne, something that I really spoke 166 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.759 to me as I read that article, and I would recommend that everybody read 167 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:22.799 that article. They present him so sympathetically that he comes across as a victim 168 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.879 and a hero. Yeah, of course he's. He's a victim, not 169 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:30.559 the baby, cit he kills their abord exactly. He's a hero because he 170 00:13:30.639 --> 00:13:35.000 gives a woman her life back or whatever. Yeah, ever, yeah, 171 00:13:35.080 --> 00:13:41.399 they deem that he's fighting for these poor woman. Right, and never the 172 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:48.399 article never once mentions the murdered babies. Of course, course. But but 173 00:13:48.440 --> 00:13:52.080 what struck me as a writer, and I think it will strike you, 174 00:13:52.200 --> 00:13:58.240 Daniel, because you were always talking about the value of stories, this was 175 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:05.519 a a very sympathetic piece on a man who dismembers living twenty week and above 176 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:13.279 babies. Yeah, and for that to have been a sympathetic portrayal shows the 177 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:18.679 power of good riding and good storytelling, right, and I think we all 178 00:14:18.720 --> 00:14:24.799 need to keep that in mind because we need to change the narrative in our 179 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:31.799 stories. Stories are powerful. Yeah, our stories can equally paint the truth 180 00:14:31.879 --> 00:14:35.720 of what happens to that baby, yeah, and the devastation to the mother, 181 00:14:35.919 --> 00:14:39.759 and all of us need to be aware of aware of that and how 182 00:14:39.799 --> 00:14:43.799 to do that. Well. Yeah. Yeah, so the other article live 183 00:14:43.840 --> 00:14:48.039 action to bunks the time's peace, and I think it's important for us to 184 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:52.639 read that so that we have the balance of the truth bumped up against this 185 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:56.559 very well written la La Times story. Yeah, but anyway, you gave 186 00:14:56.600 --> 00:15:05.360 the your feedback to the missionary in Oregon, in bolder, who wrote tested 187 00:15:05.639 --> 00:15:09.200 US Colorado. I'm sorry that that asked us what do we do and I 188 00:15:09.200 --> 00:15:13.440 thought your feedback was really good. So maybe you could talk about the things 189 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:20.240 that you mentioned. Yeah. So my point was that the women that we're 190 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:28.639 seeing that come in for an early first trimester even second trimester abortion are typically 191 00:15:28.720 --> 00:15:35.039 like and you know, we've seen women who come in who are amazed. 192 00:15:35.039 --> 00:15:37.120 When we we do, by God's grace, get to show them an ultrasound 193 00:15:37.120 --> 00:15:41.279 and they see their baby at nine eight, nine weeks, got a heartbeat. 194 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:45.600 They're amazing. They'll say it's a baby right. So there's this ability, 195 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:48.519 in a sense, even though there's really no excuse for it because the 196 00:15:48.519 --> 00:15:52.240 technology we have, but there's this ability to kind of disconnect themselves from the 197 00:15:52.279 --> 00:15:56.440 reality that they're carrying a baby because I don't yet feel that baby. It's 198 00:15:56.480 --> 00:16:02.519 not a clear maybe in their bodies there some changes, but they're not a 199 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:04.759 clear change in our don't have a baby bump and that sort of thing. 200 00:16:06.120 --> 00:16:08.320 When you get into, of course, the third trimester, but even like 201 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:11.919 twenty weeks. We all know and have seen people who are pregnant at twenty 202 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:15.080 weeks. You can see their baby. Yeah, you can see that baby 203 00:16:15.200 --> 00:16:19.879 kick. They can feel the baby kick right. So there's no denying that 204 00:16:19.919 --> 00:16:25.759 it's a baby at that point. So my response was one like we certainly 205 00:16:25.799 --> 00:16:30.600 can appeal to that mother and talk to her about the fact that her baby 206 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:33.480 is a human being, that it's a human life, but she already knows 207 00:16:33.559 --> 00:16:38.519 that likely and especially if she's already had because when a woman does find out 208 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.120 she's pregnant, I'll say she wanted to get pregnant, but then she finds 209 00:16:41.120 --> 00:16:45.559 out she's pregnant with a baby that has some feet or outdoor abnormality or some 210 00:16:45.679 --> 00:16:49.240 issue, she's going to go for multiple ultrasounds. Like the doctor. We 211 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.120 went through this with our twins. So we have twin twin girls, and 212 00:16:53.159 --> 00:16:59.159 they're precious. But at like twelve weeks my wife was twelve weeks pregnans. 213 00:16:59.200 --> 00:17:03.200 We found out, I think maybe it was nine weeks, that she was 214 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:07.680 having twins. About twelve weeks my wife woke up in a pool of blood 215 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.519 and we thought we were losing the babies. Thought she's miscaring. By God's 216 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:15.759 grace she did not and they lived and continued. And about twenty weeks she 217 00:17:15.759 --> 00:17:18.599 had an ultra sound because we have twins. They do regular ultrasound. So 218 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:22.759 twins is sort of an abnormality right. It's sort of a rare they considered 219 00:17:22.799 --> 00:17:27.160 a high risk any any situation where a woman has twins, it's a high 220 00:17:27.240 --> 00:17:33.920 risk situation for her in for the babies, and so she had multiple ultra 221 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:36.839 sounds and then it like nineteen or twenty weeks. There were some issues. 222 00:17:36.920 --> 00:17:40.319 One of the babies was smaller than the other and so they did an ultrasound, 223 00:17:40.400 --> 00:17:44.319 they ended up, we end up get an MRI, all these things. 224 00:17:44.359 --> 00:17:47.759 Now I'm saying that from our experiences. Like you've seen multiple ultrasounds, 225 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.279 right, if there's some some issues with that baby, they're not just going 226 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:55.880 to hopefully at least they're not just going to do one ultrasound and say you 227 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:57.559 got problems with this child, you need to have an abortion. Now, 228 00:17:57.599 --> 00:18:02.799 some doctors probably would would do that, but for the most part doctors even 229 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:04.440 that are pro abortion or probably not going to do that, especially if it's 230 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.599 with a woman who wanted the child. Does that Make Sen exactly? Yes. 231 00:18:07.759 --> 00:18:11.200 Yeah, so they're going to do multiple ultrasound. So there's not like 232 00:18:11.279 --> 00:18:15.279 if I'm standing in front of a place where, you know, they're killing 233 00:18:15.279 --> 00:18:21.000 babies twenty weeks and above, I would mention the ultrasound, but they've probably 234 00:18:21.000 --> 00:18:23.799 already had an ultrasound, right, and so probably what I will mention is 235 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:29.200 you probably saw the ultrasound of your baby. Didn't you see that? Your 236 00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:30.880 child is alive. You know, I want to remind them what they've already 237 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.759 seen rather than hey, come over here, we have a free ultrasound for 238 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.279 you now. If I had that available. I would certainly offer that. 239 00:18:37.559 --> 00:18:42.440 I would always talk about a second opinion. I would always say did you 240 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:45.640 get a second opinion to me, and I think I'm pretty sure I responded 241 00:18:45.720 --> 00:18:49.359 to the responded to that email in this way. Yeah, that having a 242 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:55.079 high risk doctor and a doctor that is willing to give a second opinion to 243 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.359 be that would be on the top of my list to find. I would 244 00:18:57.400 --> 00:19:02.799 be finding that high risk doctor. It would. And let me just interjecting 245 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.559 in there, make sure it's a pro life high risk because we know that 246 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:11.319 there are high risk doctors who will then just say go ahead and kill the 247 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:17.640 baby because that is the least likely to be sued over response and there their 248 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:19.599 risk converse. So be sure it's a pro life high risk doctor. Yeah, 249 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.680 yeah, no doubt. Yeah, and so some of the things that 250 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:26.559 I encourage her to do is, yes, I would use the three talking 251 00:19:26.640 --> 00:19:32.599 points and I would talk about out resources and things like that. I would 252 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:37.319 talk certainly about the humanity of the baby. That's that's where I would probably 253 00:19:37.319 --> 00:19:41.480 rest most of my words and the humanity the baby. Yeah, and and 254 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.640 their accountability to accountability to God. I would be reminding them of what they've 255 00:19:45.680 --> 00:19:49.720 already seen, because again, they've likely already seen an ultra sound. I 256 00:19:49.759 --> 00:19:53.680 would be reminding them of what they're already feeling. You feel your baby kick? 257 00:19:53.759 --> 00:20:02.079 Yeah, now I haven't dug into the numbers that that you shared earlier 258 00:20:02.079 --> 00:20:07.279 about these percentages of why people come for late term abortions. Obviously, if 259 00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:10.039 you do the math, the percentages don't come out to be a hundred percent 260 00:20:10.119 --> 00:20:12.279 because because they could have more than one of those factors. They music a 261 00:20:12.359 --> 00:20:15.960 point, right, exactly. My point is that there's probably a compounded, 262 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:21.079 right, yes, of each of these things or some level of each of 263 00:20:21.079 --> 00:20:25.559 these things. So kind of what I'm getting at is, do people have 264 00:20:25.640 --> 00:20:29.440 late term abortions because their baby has down syndrome? Yes, they do, 265 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:33.200 but probably not just because of that, right. There's probably these other things 266 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:38.359 and so trouble deciding about the abortion. So maybe they've found out at twelve 267 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:41.720 weeks. I mean they can do blood tests now, yeah, to find 268 00:20:41.759 --> 00:20:45.759 out whether you're not your baby has down syndrome or the percentage that your baby 269 00:20:45.839 --> 00:20:48.759 is likely to have down syndrome or something, which I think is absurd, 270 00:20:48.759 --> 00:20:49.960 but they you can do that, right, so you can find out a 271 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.440 like you know, teve fourteen weeks. Yeah, if your baby has down 272 00:20:53.480 --> 00:20:56.680 syndrome, and some of these women could have been going back and forth in 273 00:20:56.720 --> 00:21:00.519 their mind of whether or not they should do the abortion, get and advice 274 00:21:00.599 --> 00:21:04.599 from people, and then, of course it pushes the the baby on end 275 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:08.240 to twenty weeks. So they right becomes a yeah, it's a third trimester 276 00:21:08.319 --> 00:21:12.640 abortion and I agree with where you're going. But I have met women who 277 00:21:12.640 --> 00:21:18.880 are twenty weeks pregnant who have not had any fetal or maternal abnormality or risk 278 00:21:19.200 --> 00:21:25.559 mentioned, but just cannot decide. They know it's wrong, they just are 279 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:30.039 filled with conflict. Yeah, and that's why they're now entering into, you 280 00:21:30.079 --> 00:21:33.359 know, the second and third trimester and still haven't done it. Yeah, 281 00:21:33.359 --> 00:21:40.599 so there can be conflict without a factor of some sort of risk grabumality. 282 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:45.799 Yeah, absolutely, speaking about the kind of the health risk of the woman. 283 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:52.960 Yeah, especially when they're in you know, the twenty four to twenty 284 00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:56.720 eight week really up into twenty eight, when you get closer to thirty weeks, 285 00:21:56.839 --> 00:22:00.440 babies like babies have been born at twenty four weeks, twenty six weeks 286 00:22:00.599 --> 00:22:04.279 that have survived. Yeah, now it it's not, of course, the 287 00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:08.839 best scenario. But you would have to ask yourself, okay, if the 288 00:22:08.839 --> 00:22:14.880 woman has pre ECLAMPSIA and she's twenty five weeks, twenty four weeks along, 289 00:22:15.960 --> 00:22:19.119 why would they abhort the Child? Why would they kill the child and then 290 00:22:19.200 --> 00:22:25.039 have the child delivered? Because is it would in the process generally be the 291 00:22:25.039 --> 00:22:27.799 same. You can leave the child alive and deliver the child. Do you 292 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:32.359 have to kill the child in the deliver the child to stop the symptoms of 293 00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:37.039 preclamsy? And you don't, right. And so to me it's like it's 294 00:22:37.319 --> 00:22:40.759 it doesn't make sense. Why not just deliver the Child? Is it that 295 00:22:41.079 --> 00:22:45.359 this person's looking for a justification to kill the child? Yeah, so that 296 00:22:45.359 --> 00:22:49.160 that to me doesn't make sense. And again, I know that that's I 297 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:52.160 want to say this and be kind of careful what I'm saying, but no 298 00:22:52.279 --> 00:23:00.319 one goes about to have a late term abortion or, you know, later 299 00:23:00.359 --> 00:23:03.720 in the second trimester, in third trimester abortions, and does it kind of 300 00:23:03.759 --> 00:23:07.480 on a whim. Right, it's pretty well thought out for the most part, 301 00:23:07.680 --> 00:23:11.000 right. Yeah, and it's not just money, it is a big 302 00:23:11.039 --> 00:23:15.000 expense. Yeah, when you're getting into the third trimester, you're talking like 303 00:23:15.039 --> 00:23:21.359 Tenzero for the abortion proceed right, and so there's there's got to be a 304 00:23:21.359 --> 00:23:26.279 compounded amount of things going on right and things that are, you know, 305 00:23:26.519 --> 00:23:34.400 similar but maybe even more traumatic, more stressful than people that have an early 306 00:23:34.559 --> 00:23:41.359 term abortion. Yeah, and so understanding that, understanding that these we see 307 00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:45.359 it all the time. We see women walking into the latrobe abortion center, 308 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:49.720 other abortion centers, the most most of the abortion centers we minister at are 309 00:23:49.759 --> 00:23:53.319 going to be twenty weeks in before, like you said, right, and 310 00:23:53.359 --> 00:23:56.279 we see people going in flipping us off. It's not a baby. You 311 00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.759 know, I don't imagine you see a lot of that at these late term 312 00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:03.920 abortion facilities. I don't imagine you see a lot of people coming out getting 313 00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:08.240 in your face. I don't imagine you do. Now I will say, 314 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:12.559 I'll put it on you guys who reach out at those abortion facilities. Maybe 315 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:15.680 you do see that a lot. Maybe the attitude is different, but I'm 316 00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:22.480 imagining in attitude that's more somber, that's more broken, and so there's a 317 00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:26.240 way to reach out to those people. HMM. Yeah, I think that 318 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:33.279 that is a very important point that you just raised, because I think there 319 00:24:33.319 --> 00:24:37.319 may be doctors who just think the simpler thing to do than delivering an early 320 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:44.440 baby is to just tell them to abort the baby. But they could in 321 00:24:44.519 --> 00:24:48.160 most cases, maybe in all cases, in a late term abortion, they 322 00:24:48.279 --> 00:24:52.400 do not need to kill the baby. They could deliver the baby and the 323 00:24:52.400 --> 00:25:00.160 baby may or may not make it, but there is a choice to kill 324 00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:03.359 one human being. Yeah, to reduce whatever the risk to the to the 325 00:25:03.359 --> 00:25:07.480 MOM. Late term abortions are risky. Yeah, the MOM. There is 326 00:25:07.519 --> 00:25:12.519 a lot that can go wrong in in a late term abortion. That is 327 00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:18.519 it is not a small risk factor. Yeah, so I think that it's 328 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.839 important to point that out. Yeah, but undoubtedly there it might be the 329 00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:29.000 doctor that she is seen who is going with what he sees as the least 330 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:33.400 risky right option, but it could be well be her having more than just 331 00:25:33.480 --> 00:25:38.880 the concern about whatever abnormality. Yeah, being concerned about those other issues. 332 00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.160 So I liked what you said also when when you wrote that letter, that 333 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.279 of the convenience factor. Right. I'm not sure that you mentioned that. 334 00:25:49.599 --> 00:25:53.319 And Yeah, talking about the mindset, right. Yeah. So, yeah, 335 00:25:55.000 --> 00:26:00.519 it's a very inconvenient thing to go in for a late term abortion. 336 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.480 Yeah, sure, I mean, especially when you've got people that are flying 337 00:26:03.559 --> 00:26:07.920 to Colorado there. I mean I'm sure there are local people, but people 338 00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:14.799 do fly to Colorado. Colorado's a destination for late term abortions. I believe. 339 00:26:15.920 --> 00:26:18.720 Massachusetts or Maryland, either one of those, maybe both of those, 340 00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.119 are places where people go for late term abortions. And then New Mexico's another 341 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.559 place, yeah, where people go for late term abortions. There's like these 342 00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:30.839 kind of late term abortion destinations. There's a documentary, it came out a 343 00:26:30.839 --> 00:26:36.720 couple of years ago about late term abortion facilities. I forget the name of 344 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:38.640 the documentary. Maybe if I find it I can put a link in the 345 00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:44.400 show notes, but it was really is really informative and as a matter of 346 00:26:44.440 --> 00:26:48.880 fact, I kind of rewinded that videos. kind of went back a little 347 00:26:48.880 --> 00:26:52.920 bit on it because as they were showing the office, I noticed on the 348 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.400 wall there was like a payment schedule for there was like prices. So I 349 00:26:56.440 --> 00:27:00.319 went back and kind of like zoomed into it because I wanted to see what 350 00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:03.599 is is, and that's where I saw the tenzero dollars for I think it 351 00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.240 was like twenty eight weeks or thirty weeks or something like that. I can't 352 00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:12.000 remember, but they kind of have how much it cost to do abortions at 353 00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:15.200 those stages. Yeah, and so, yeah, that's that's very telling. 354 00:27:15.240 --> 00:27:22.359 But you do have the convenience factor with early term abortions, where it's just 355 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:26.400 more convenient to go have an abortion than to let a baby take over your 356 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:30.160 body, to have your work schedule thrown off for or whatever. And I 357 00:27:30.200 --> 00:27:36.319 don't mean to say that every woman that has an abortion is doing it for 358 00:27:36.359 --> 00:27:40.519 the sake of convenience, because it's not convenient to go to the abortion clinic 359 00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:44.240 and wait for three hours and do do all that stuff and then they're subjecting 360 00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:48.759 their bodies to, you know, some pretty pretty harsh stuff. So I 361 00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:52.359 don't mean to say that it's just convenient in the senses easy, but it 362 00:27:52.440 --> 00:27:56.440 is more convenient just to have your abortion one day then to raise a child 363 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.799 for eighteen years. We hear that a lot. Right, you're going to 364 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:02.279 raise this baby. I don't want to raise this baby for eighteen years. 365 00:28:02.359 --> 00:28:06.160 Right. What are you saying? You don't want to be inconvenienced. Right. 366 00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:08.119 And so my point is with the late term abortion thing is that people 367 00:28:08.160 --> 00:28:12.200 are not coming there for the sake of convenience. They've already went through several 368 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:17.359 months of the pregnancy already. Their body is already been subjected to what a 369 00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:22.799 one's body goes through when she's pregnant, and so that factors is likely not 370 00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:29.559 they're are not as prominent in these situations. And again I'm imagining the just 371 00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:33.480 the faces of the women are more somber, more like. You know, 372 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:37.640 this is not something that they're doing glibly. Right, will say right, 373 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:41.920 and so I wonder if you do have a harder time convincing them. I 374 00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:47.880 think that is possible. Yeah, in in I imagine there's more fear. 375 00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.440 Talking about their mindset. They're probably right fearful, because they really are afraid 376 00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:56.079 for their life or for for what is going to be the baby's life. 377 00:28:56.160 --> 00:29:00.440 Yeah, and and so again, going back to that, one of the 378 00:29:00.440 --> 00:29:04.680 original points I'm made, testimony, telling stories. There are women who have 379 00:29:04.759 --> 00:29:10.799 made it through high risk pregnancies, many there are many women who have had 380 00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:15.279 a special needs child and could testify to the joy of that child. There's 381 00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.440 many women who have delivered a baby who is only going to live for a 382 00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:25.359 few minutes, yeah, or maybe hours after birth, who say that that 383 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:30.839 time was so precious and it was worth going through the pregnancy in the sorrow 384 00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:34.680 to have that baby for those few hours or whatever time that they had. 385 00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:40.640 And so those testimonies, I think we should all know about them and especially 386 00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:44.920 if this is a the type of facility you're serving at, being able to 387 00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:49.759 tell those stories and give those women help and hope, hope that, even 388 00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:55.960 though this is a terrible situation, that there is even there is even joy 389 00:29:56.039 --> 00:30:02.599 possible in bringing that baby you know, I'll testimonies are a powerful way for 390 00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:06.720 any situation that you're dealing with. If you have a corresponding testimony of your 391 00:30:06.759 --> 00:30:10.160 story, if you have a personal testimony, yeah, or testimony that you 392 00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:15.519 can share somebody you know or something you've read or video. It's just powerful 393 00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:19.559 because it really overcomes the you know, all of the lies that there can't 394 00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:23.519 be any good that comes out of this bad situation. Testimonies show that, 395 00:30:23.880 --> 00:30:27.599 well, God's not a respective persons and is if he was there with this 396 00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:33.440 woman in her story. Yeah, and there's a positive outcome here. It 397 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:37.960 brings hope. Right, there can there can be a similar testimony in your 398 00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:45.119 situation, right, right. What reading that one article helped me to know 399 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.240 and understand was like you. I don't think I would focus on the resources 400 00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:55.400 so much with a later term abortion, but I might not ignore it because 401 00:30:55.519 --> 00:30:59.720 if, if all of those reasons that I listed at the beginning of this 402 00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:04.119 podcast are true, then you've still got women who are conflicted, women who 403 00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.160 are being pressured by a boyfriend, women who are still in shock because they 404 00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:14.519 just found out that they were pregnant not long ago. And and so I 405 00:31:14.519 --> 00:31:19.839 think using our three talking points are still important. Yeah, especially focusing on 406 00:31:19.880 --> 00:31:26.039 the to humanity of the baby and and what God has has to say. 407 00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.200 Yeah, and the value of that child, yea for God. Yeah, 408 00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:33.960 absolutely. So, yeah, yeah, well, I think that we'll wrap 409 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.920 this episode up. If you're if you're good to go on that. Yeah, 410 00:31:37.119 --> 00:31:38.680 yeah, I mean most people, I just want to say most of 411 00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:44.039 you will not face this. There were very few that are solely late term 412 00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:48.440 abortion centers, but you will. If you're in one of those destination states, 413 00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:52.279 you may come and meet up with women who are in a later term 414 00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.160 abortion, and I think it is important to to read these articles in and 415 00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:00.359 to think about what we've yeah, suggest absolutely, and we love to hear 416 00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:05.279 you guys feedback. Maybe you're listening to this podcast and you've ministered at one 417 00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:07.799 of these late term abortion facilities for a long time. If you've learned some 418 00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.160 things that you can teach us, we would love to hear from you, 419 00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.680 maybe even interview you and get some wisdom from you, because we've not been 420 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.640 in that scenario. I'm have debt with women that are further along in pregnancy, 421 00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:22.799 twenty weeks plus, right, but, and I know you have to, 422 00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.400 but it's not a regular occurrence and we're certainly not ministering out an abortion 423 00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:29.680 clinic that that's all they do, right. So we're speaking from you know, 424 00:32:29.759 --> 00:32:31.319 some knowledge, but not full knowledge of what that might look like. 425 00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:35.039 So if you have a unique perspective on that, we'd love to hear from 426 00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:38.200 you. 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