Reaching Abortion Workers

WEBVTT100:00:00.080 --> 00:00:03.879There's a certain level of repentance that'staken place there, right. They're repenting200:00:03.919 --> 00:00:08.160because they've been involved in the industry, and so it does require sacrifice,300:00:08.199 --> 00:00:10.880and that's why it's important that theyunderstand, like you said, the true400:00:10.919 --> 00:00:15.640gospel. So when we can sharethe gospel, we need to I'm yours,500:00:16.039 --> 00:00:22.000I'm yours, I'm yours, andme, Lord, I'm yours,600:00:22.440 --> 00:00:27.839I'm yours. I'm Welcome to theGospel Centered pro Life Podcast, a podcast700:00:27.920 --> 00:00:33.520designed to equip, encourage, andchallenge you in pro life ministry and always800:00:33.520 --> 00:00:41.560with a focus on the gospel.Stay tuned. I felt your passh touch900:00:41.840 --> 00:00:51.039your heart. Hey, everyone,welcome back to the Gospel Centered Pro Life1000:00:51.119 --> 00:00:56.719Podcast. I am here with DanielParks and y'all know me. I'm I'm1100:00:56.840 --> 00:01:02.439Vicky. I hope y'all are doingwell today. We are doing a topic1200:01:02.520 --> 00:01:06.319that we thought we had already covered, but we're not sure we have and1300:01:06.359 --> 00:01:10.040so we thought maybe it wouldn't hurtto cover it again. And that's how1400:01:10.079 --> 00:01:15.079to deal with the abortion workers thatyou are certainly going to encounter in your1500:01:15.079 --> 00:01:19.159work as a as a sidebok counselorso, you know, we like to1600:01:19.200 --> 00:01:23.200say, if there were no abortionworkers, there would be no abortion.1700:01:23.239 --> 00:01:26.040So I don't know if that's quitetrue, but it certainly would decrease the1800:01:26.120 --> 00:01:30.640number of abortions. So it wouldn'tbe an abortion clinics, that's for sure.1900:01:30.680 --> 00:01:34.879Because ye yeah, yeah, Sowhenever possible, of course, we2000:01:36.000 --> 00:01:41.719try to encourage abortion workers to leavethe industry. We actually do see a2100:01:41.760 --> 00:01:46.040lot of turnover, We do seea lot of success in in doing that.2200:01:46.280 --> 00:01:52.040So we wanted to give you sometips on how to how to most2300:01:52.079 --> 00:01:57.239effectively maybe get the abortion workers torethink the job that they are in.2400:01:57.040 --> 00:02:00.920Yeah, you know, one ofthe awesome things that you've seen over the2500:02:00.959 --> 00:02:05.359past I mean it's probably been twoyears or so that we've started keeping track2600:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.199of this, but I think we'veseen what forty five abortion workers that have2700:02:08.319 --> 00:02:12.240quit over the past two years orso. Yeah, those are the ones2800:02:12.319 --> 00:02:15.599we know about. Yeah, andso that's pretty amazing, right, forty2900:02:15.599 --> 00:02:19.439five abortion workers. And some ofthese people are people that have surrendered their3000:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.039lives to Jesus, which is prettyamazing. Yeah. Yeah, So we'll3100:02:23.199 --> 00:02:29.000hop right into that. You allmay know Abby Johnson, who was the3200:02:29.080 --> 00:02:35.159subject of the movie Unplanned. Shewas a former Planned Parenthood manager, and3300:02:35.360 --> 00:02:39.680when she left the industry, shefound it to be very difficult. There3400:02:39.680 --> 00:02:44.240had been things that she had seenand done that were illegal. She wanted3500:02:44.240 --> 00:02:47.280to expose them. She ended upin a lawsuit with Planned Parenthood, who3600:02:47.319 --> 00:02:53.120was trying to keep her from mentioninganything that she had seen in her in3700:02:53.159 --> 00:02:59.000her years at Plant Parenthood, anduh, surprisingly she won the lawsuit.3800:03:00.199 --> 00:03:05.840And she recognized how difficult it wasfor people on so many levels when they3900:03:05.960 --> 00:03:09.719leave the abortion industry. They ofcourse it's great that they've left, but4000:03:09.759 --> 00:03:16.879there are are often emotional scars,spiritual scars, um the difficulty of finding4100:03:16.919 --> 00:03:22.800new work with that on on yourrecord. And so she began a ministry4200:03:22.919 --> 00:03:29.960and I never get the name righttill there are none or and then one4300:03:30.080 --> 00:03:34.080is a song and one is thename of her ministry. So and then4400:03:34.120 --> 00:03:40.280there were none and it's a it'sa really effective ministry in helping abortion workers4500:03:40.719 --> 00:03:46.360who want to leave the abortion industry. They do all kinds of great things.4600:03:46.360 --> 00:03:52.080They help with finding new work,they help with legal representation, they4700:03:52.199 --> 00:03:57.319even help with salary as the momsare seeking new work and they have I4800:03:57.360 --> 00:04:01.319believe it's at least a once ayear completely free healing retreat where they'll fly4900:04:01.879 --> 00:04:10.000these workers out and have a retreatfor um and classes and just a time5000:04:10.080 --> 00:04:14.599of of healing for for these workers. So they do a really great um5100:04:14.840 --> 00:04:20.560job with working with former abortion workers. And there are some things that we5200:04:20.680 --> 00:04:26.720might not know if we did notdo that every day, that their ministry5300:04:26.839 --> 00:04:32.519does know, the depth of herthe depth of the legal um consequences that5400:04:32.680 --> 00:04:39.240can occur. So, um yeah, I mean I would say that beyond5500:04:39.240 --> 00:04:43.920the legal stuff and beyond just thepractical stuff of finding a job and all5600:04:43.959 --> 00:04:48.439of that. Um, you know, there's some trauma. I guess is5700:04:48.480 --> 00:04:53.240the word that comes to mind.I think you mentioned that that is much5800:04:53.519 --> 00:04:59.360like the same trauma in the sameexperience that post abortive people have. In5900:04:59.519 --> 00:05:02.519reality is that many of these abortionworkers have abortions in their past as well,6000:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.079but those that don't still they've beeninvolved in abortions. I mean,6100:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.800we even see that with the menthey're involved with abortion, they carry a6200:05:10.800 --> 00:05:14.639certain load of guilt or a friendthat took a friend to have an abortion.6300:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.360We've ministered as a ministry to peoplewho need post abortive healing, not6400:05:18.439 --> 00:05:23.199because they had an abortion, ortook someone to have an abortion, but6500:05:23.199 --> 00:05:26.600because they didn't stop their friend fromhaving an abortion, they didn't speak the6600:05:26.639 --> 00:05:30.759truth, and so there's this guiltthat's there necessarily, right, they should6700:05:30.759 --> 00:05:38.000feel guilty for being involved in abortions. But when we repent and uh turn6800:05:38.040 --> 00:05:41.319away from the things, we stillmight carry some of that guilt with us.6900:05:41.360 --> 00:05:44.800And the Lord can wash away guilt. So it's important that these abortion7000:05:44.839 --> 00:05:48.000workers understand the gospel and that theguilt that they feel is washed away,7100:05:48.040 --> 00:05:53.079just like people who have abortions intheir past. Right, So I want7200:05:53.079 --> 00:05:56.560I wanted to start off just tobe sure that we get this in with7300:05:56.720 --> 00:06:01.560immediately. What is the practical thingon a sidewalk you could call out to7400:06:01.839 --> 00:06:08.560abortion workers? And this is I'mgoing to give you typically kind of what7500:06:08.680 --> 00:06:13.959I would what I would call out. We always call out the website Abbie7600:06:14.040 --> 00:06:19.600Johnson's website. So um, we'llwe'll say abortion worker dot com. That's7700:06:19.639 --> 00:06:25.800the website abortion worker dot com.It's easy to remember. We do have7800:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.480cards that Abbie Johnson has sent uswhich we can hand out, but oftentimes7900:06:30.519 --> 00:06:33.040they actually are told that they maynot come near us, they may not8000:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.519talk to us, or they canbe fired. And so so I have8100:06:36.680 --> 00:06:42.240laid the card down on the grassbefore and backed away and said, you8200:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.920can get this card, and Iactually did if someone do that once,8300:06:44.959 --> 00:06:47.639but they can't come near us.They're on cameras. There's often security cameras,8400:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.879whatever. But so here's the typicalthing I would call out. Let8500:06:50.920 --> 00:06:56.040me mention real quick before we getinto all of those specifics, because I8600:06:56.079 --> 00:06:59.439think it's helpful for people to understand. It's sort of the priority and we8700:06:59.480 --> 00:07:02.120talk about is in our training andwe even talk about how to reach out8800:07:02.120 --> 00:07:05.600to abortion workers in our trainings.And uh so, if you guys have8900:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.639been through our trainings one oh onethrough one o three, you've gotten some9000:07:09.680 --> 00:07:13.879of this information already. We getmore in depth with more you know,9100:07:13.920 --> 00:07:16.920the focus on abortion workers. Butjust so you guys understand, when we're9200:07:16.920 --> 00:07:21.040at the abortion center, we kindof see our engagements in a level of9300:07:21.160 --> 00:07:27.600priority. And so what we meanby that is the moms calling out to9400:07:27.639 --> 00:07:30.240the mom's engaging with the moms ispriority number one, right, Well,9500:07:30.279 --> 00:07:34.519priority number one is honoring Jesus,right, and he wants to save that9600:07:34.560 --> 00:07:40.040baby. But the first person we'regonna engage with. We're gonna prioritize engagement9700:07:40.040 --> 00:07:44.480with is gonna be the moms goinginto the clinic. The second is going9800:07:44.519 --> 00:07:47.879to be the dads and support people, friends, family members, the person9900:07:47.920 --> 00:07:50.439that brought her there, the personthat's there with them. That's gonna be10000:07:50.480 --> 00:07:55.879our second priority. Our third priorityis going to be the abortion workers.10100:07:55.920 --> 00:07:59.360We're gonna engage with them. Andso, if you encounter a scenario in10200:07:59.360 --> 00:08:03.759which a mom was walking into theabortion center and there's a dad in his10300:08:03.879 --> 00:08:07.079car and there's an abortion worker walkinginto the back of the abortion center,10400:08:07.160 --> 00:08:11.079who are you going to speak tobecause you can't speak to all three at10500:08:11.120 --> 00:08:13.560the same time. You're going tospeak to the mom. If you encounter10600:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.399a situation where the mom is alreadyin there, there's a dad in the10700:08:16.439 --> 00:08:20.160parking lot, mill around in theparking lot, and then there's an abortion10800:08:20.199 --> 00:08:22.199worker walking in, who you're gonnaspeak to? You can speak to the10900:08:22.279 --> 00:08:26.560dad. Right If neither the momor the dad or support person is around,11000:08:28.160 --> 00:08:31.160or maybe you've already engaged with themand they've ignored you or flipped you11100:08:31.199 --> 00:08:33.559off and told you to stop talkingto them, well, then you can11200:08:33.559 --> 00:08:37.120move to the next party. Whichis the abortion workers calling out to them,11300:08:37.159 --> 00:08:41.759and we do try if we're ableto call out to them each time11400:08:41.799 --> 00:08:45.240they walk into the abortion center.Depends on when you get there and if11500:08:45.279 --> 00:08:48.919you notice the flow of things kindof vet latrobe. It's pretty much like11600:08:48.000 --> 00:08:52.399clockwork, right. The abortion workerscome in at a particular time, and11700:08:52.399 --> 00:08:56.679so we can address them as they'recoming in. Um. And of course11800:08:56.759 --> 00:08:58.799we're gracious in the way that we'readdressing them. We're not just yelling out11900:09:00.039 --> 00:09:03.399you filthy murder or whatever. We'respeaking the truth. But we're also gracious12000:09:03.399 --> 00:09:07.279of making ourselves approachable. But thatis sort of the priority. As we12100:09:07.360 --> 00:09:09.879call out to folks going in,or we engage with folks. Some of12200:09:09.919 --> 00:09:13.519you guys aren't calling out. You'reengaging with people on the sidewalker walking into12300:09:13.559 --> 00:09:16.919the abortion center. Either way,if I'm going to hand out literature,12400:09:18.320 --> 00:09:20.120I'm going to hand out literature tothat mom going in first, and then12500:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.559maybe to the dad if I can'tengage with her, and then maybe to12600:09:24.559 --> 00:09:26.440the abortion worker. I can't engagewith the mom or the dad, you12700:09:26.480 --> 00:09:30.559know, that's kind of the priority. All that kind of makes sense.12800:09:31.279 --> 00:09:33.799Yeah, yeah, that's good.No, that's good. I'm glad that12900:09:33.840 --> 00:09:37.039you mentioned that it's not in thearticle I wrote. Uh. Something you13000:09:37.080 --> 00:09:43.639should know is that the opposition thatoften have umbrella's vest outside of the abortion13100:09:43.679 --> 00:09:50.519center, they're not abortion workers.Those are volunteers and largely I mean maybe13200:09:50.600 --> 00:09:54.120some are paid, but but mostare volunteers. I do not call out13300:09:54.159 --> 00:09:56.080abortion worker dot Com to them.It's the people that are working in the13400:09:56.120 --> 00:10:00.759clinic. There is a call centernext to the clinic where we work,13500:10:00.799 --> 00:10:03.039and we also they are abortion workers. We do call out to them,13600:10:03.039 --> 00:10:07.039and definitely to the clinic people.So what I will typically say, this13700:10:07.120 --> 00:10:11.320is what I'm about to tell youis is if I have a long amount13800:10:11.320 --> 00:10:13.519of time. If I don't,all I'll say is my name is Vicky,13900:10:13.559 --> 00:10:16.240and I know there's times you wishyou could leave this job. Go14000:10:16.320 --> 00:10:22.559to abortion worker dot com. Theywill help you leave if I have time14100:10:22.600 --> 00:10:26.039to expand upon it. Some ofthe things I might add, Uh,14200:10:26.120 --> 00:10:30.639you understand that your salary is beingpaid by the death of innocent babies.14300:10:31.320 --> 00:10:35.039Um Uh. They will help youfind new work at abortion worker dot com.14400:10:35.080 --> 00:10:39.720They have resources to help you alongwith healing retreats. They know what14500:10:39.840 --> 00:10:43.960you're going through. If you're contemplatingleaving this job, because all of them14600:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.360are former abortion workers themselves abortion workerdot com. And I'll repeat the abortion14700:10:48.399 --> 00:10:54.720worker dot com a few times,so um, so that's just right from14800:10:54.720 --> 00:10:56.559the get go, that's that's prettymuch what what we will call out,14900:10:56.799 --> 00:11:01.399and we can expand upon it astime perm it. But we've worked with15000:11:01.519 --> 00:11:07.759many abortion workers who have left.I'm working with one right now that left15100:11:07.879 --> 00:11:11.960about, I don't know about amonth ago, and she reminded me of15200:11:13.759 --> 00:11:16.480some things that I think are veryimportant for all of us to know,15300:11:16.759 --> 00:11:20.399which are some of the difficulties thatthese former workers are going to face and15400:11:20.480 --> 00:11:24.159why they're in that job in thefirst place, which I didn't know when15500:11:24.200 --> 00:11:28.759when I first started as as asideball councilor but I do know now,15600:11:28.360 --> 00:11:33.960and the difficulties are real and they'resignificant. So one of the first one15700:11:35.080 --> 00:11:39.360is that many of them are felons. That is not true of every single15800:11:39.399 --> 00:11:46.679one of them, for sure,but I have found many of them that15900:11:46.879 --> 00:11:54.159I have worked with have a felonyrecord, and finding work is very hard.16000:11:56.600 --> 00:12:01.519So um. One of the thingsAbbie Johnson Ministry does is they have16100:12:01.639 --> 00:12:05.879a very tried and true method ofof helping these former workers to find work.16200:12:07.120 --> 00:12:11.279But they really do have to doexactly what Abby Johnson's group tells them16300:12:11.320 --> 00:12:15.080to do, and they pretty muchguarantee that they will have work within two16400:12:15.159 --> 00:12:18.159weeks I think they say, ormaybe it's three weeks, as long as16500:12:18.159 --> 00:12:22.039they follow all that Abbey suggest butit's probably not going to be their dream16600:12:22.120 --> 00:12:26.399job. And and so that's veryimportant. That's why we share the gospel.16700:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.159We want to really be sure thatthey understand that they might not get16800:12:31.200 --> 00:12:37.320paid as well if they leave thiswork, but they will be paid eternally16900:12:37.960 --> 00:12:41.600with with turning their life over tothe Lord and doing what he would have17000:12:41.679 --> 00:12:46.440them do. And so that Idon't forget in the article that accompanies this17100:12:48.159 --> 00:12:52.639uh, at the end of thearticle, we have a list of companies17200:12:52.720 --> 00:13:01.240that are less resistant and even considerthemselves um uh, I don't know helpful17300:13:01.559 --> 00:13:05.559to people in in hiring people witha felony record. And that's a good17400:13:05.639 --> 00:13:09.399list for you to have. Idid send it to the woman I'm working17500:13:09.440 --> 00:13:15.679with right now because she is strugglingto find work. She asked, is17600:13:16.080 --> 00:13:20.360there anyone that doesn't do a backgroundcheck? You know, honestly, there17700:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.559aren't many. Um, everyone prettymuch does a background check nowadays. And17800:13:24.600 --> 00:13:26.440as soon as she said that,I knew why she said it. I17900:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.120knew it was because there was afelony in her record and and there is,18000:13:33.519 --> 00:13:37.120so keep that in mind. Asecond important thing to remember is that18100:13:37.200 --> 00:13:43.440many of them have done illegal thingsas abortion inside the clinic, they have18200:13:43.639 --> 00:13:50.600seen illegal things, they have participatedin illegal things, and they are very18300:13:50.679 --> 00:13:56.799fearful about leaving because maybe they've beendirectly threatened by the abortion center. I18400:13:56.799 --> 00:14:01.559do know some have told me that. Um, but some of them are18500:14:01.600 --> 00:14:05.519just afraid they're going to be liable. They know what they've done, what's18600:14:05.559 --> 00:14:13.799wrong, criminally wrong at times.So um, you know, to be18700:14:13.840 --> 00:14:16.559aware of that now. Abby Johnson'sgroup is aware of that, and that's18800:14:16.600 --> 00:14:24.279why we really always refer them togroup. They can get free legal counsel18900:14:24.720 --> 00:14:28.440in fact with Appy Screw, Yeah, which is really helpful. It's it's19000:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.720really helpful to have another organization thatyou can point these abortion workers too.19100:14:33.320 --> 00:14:37.360And because like we can't do itall right, we can't follow up with19200:14:37.399 --> 00:14:39.840the moms and reach out to thedads and plug them into churches and do19300:14:39.919 --> 00:14:45.120the mentor plug him into mentorship andall the other things that we do on19400:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.840top of that working with abortion workers. It's so it's such a blessing that19500:14:48.919 --> 00:14:52.360we have a ministry that we canpoint them to that has a framework for19600:14:52.399 --> 00:14:58.120all of this stuff very effectives.Yeah. Now, I have found many19700:14:58.279 --> 00:15:03.159of the women that I work withtell me they feel it's very intrusive.19800:15:03.639 --> 00:15:11.000Would Abbie Johnson's ministry requires to them? But it's not when you understand all19900:15:11.039 --> 00:15:16.120that they're doing for these former workersand um and all that they're providing totally20000:15:16.200 --> 00:15:22.120free. But be aware of thatthe workers sometimes do complain about that.20100:15:22.440 --> 00:15:28.120The farm workers, I mean,they're in this realm of ministry. They're20200:15:28.159 --> 00:15:31.279the experts and if there's certain informationthat they need to have and if they're20300:15:33.240 --> 00:15:37.679look at what they're doing, Lookwhat they're offering. They're offering them compensation20400:15:37.759 --> 00:15:41.600until they can find a job.They're offering them a resume, like working20500:15:41.600 --> 00:15:43.919through their resume and all that stuff. And so you know, they're the20600:15:43.960 --> 00:15:48.159experts on this. So I'll putthat, you know, in their hands20700:15:48.200 --> 00:15:52.559and whether or not how how atrusiveintrusive they are, that's between between them20800:15:52.600 --> 00:15:56.559and the abortion workers at the endof the day, we're calling these abortion20900:15:56.559 --> 00:16:00.879workers to repentance, right, andrepentance requires acrifice, us turning to the21000:16:00.919 --> 00:16:03.879Lord and doing the right thing.That doesn't mean that every time an abortion21100:16:03.919 --> 00:16:08.799worker quits they surrender their life toJesus. Right. They're not always quitting21200:16:08.840 --> 00:16:15.120because of their surrendering to Jesus.Sometimes all the time. It's a process,21300:16:15.720 --> 00:16:19.120right, Um. But you know, either way, there's a certain21400:16:19.200 --> 00:16:23.000level of repentance that's taken place.They're right, they're repenting because they've been21500:16:23.000 --> 00:16:27.039involved in the industry, and soit does require sacrifice. And that's why21600:16:27.080 --> 00:16:30.080it's important that they understand, likeyou said, the true gospel. So21700:16:30.279 --> 00:16:34.799when we can share the gospel,we need to Yeah. And and staying21800:16:34.840 --> 00:16:40.960in touch um through the process ifyou can, not to take over what21900:16:41.240 --> 00:16:45.240Abbie Johnson's group is doing. Butuh, I have had them call me22000:16:45.279 --> 00:16:48.559and say, I just don't wantto fill this stuff out, or I22100:16:48.639 --> 00:16:51.320just don't want them to help mewith my resume. I think it's good22200:16:51.399 --> 00:16:56.120enough. Whatever, And and tokeep pointing them back to do what Abbie22300:16:56.159 --> 00:16:59.759tells you to do, because honestly, it's effective. She will help you22400:17:00.360 --> 00:17:03.720find your way out of this mess. But you've gotta you gotta follow through.22500:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.079And since sometimes you're the first pointof trust for them, they're more22600:17:07.079 --> 00:17:12.680willing to trust you than another organization. So stay in touch if they will22700:17:12.720 --> 00:17:17.480allow you to stay in touch.I I do try to until I know22800:17:17.640 --> 00:17:22.359that they are now um they've beenout for a while from the industry,22900:17:22.440 --> 00:17:26.480and that that they have a newjob. We have to remember many of23000:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.240them are poor. Not only dothey have a record and many times,23100:17:30.279 --> 00:17:36.000but many of them are very poor. And this is a relatively well paying23200:17:36.119 --> 00:17:40.839job. And um, and that'sthe draw. So many of them have23300:17:40.960 --> 00:17:44.480told me it's just a job.And when they say that, we remind23400:17:44.519 --> 00:17:48.079them, no, it's not justa job. It's a job where innocent23500:17:48.119 --> 00:17:52.799baby's blood pace your salary. Butum, but they say, I'm I'm23600:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.440providing for my family. That's that'swhy I'm here. I'm trying to care23700:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.319for my family. And God wouldhave me do that. So you've got23800:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.519to be ready with with an answerto that, because because you'll hear that23900:18:03.559 --> 00:18:06.960a lot. Yeah. And youknow, we always talk about speaking the24000:18:07.000 --> 00:18:10.839truth and love, that balance ofgrace and truth. Um, And we24100:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.720want to be gracious and we don'twant to heap insult to injury, right.24200:18:14.799 --> 00:18:17.839We want to make sure that we'respeaking the truth, but we're also24300:18:18.119 --> 00:18:22.039tempering that with the love of God, the mercy of God, that understanding24400:18:22.079 --> 00:18:23.759ourselves that if it wasn't for thegrace of God, we might be working24500:18:23.759 --> 00:18:29.039inside of an abortion clinic ourselves.Um, but we do need to reiterate24600:18:29.119 --> 00:18:32.920that point that this is not justany work. This is not just a24700:18:33.079 --> 00:18:38.759job that you're using to pay yourbills, but babies are dying because of24800:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.079what you're doing. A lot oftimes, the pushback you'll get from some24900:18:42.119 --> 00:18:47.039of the abortion workers is, especiallylike the ones in the call center or25000:18:47.119 --> 00:18:49.079like the ones that are working thefront desk, is well, I'm not25100:18:49.119 --> 00:18:53.799actually doing the abortions. I'm notactually involved in the abortions helping them to25200:18:53.880 --> 00:18:57.200understand, Like you laid it out, Actually your check is signed with the25300:18:57.240 --> 00:19:02.599blood of innocent babies. You couldsay it just like that, or you25400:19:02.400 --> 00:19:07.400do me too, And um,I'm not yelling that out across the parking25500:19:07.440 --> 00:19:11.640lot. I'm not you know,yelling out again, you filthy murder,25600:19:11.640 --> 00:19:17.880you blood stained money. I'm I'mdoing that with a gracious tone. I'm25700:19:17.920 --> 00:19:19.559doing that with a compassionate tome becauseat the end of the day, we25800:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.599have to reach these abortion workers withcompassion. Right again, we have to25900:19:23.680 --> 00:19:27.480understand, except for the grace ofGod, we would be working inside of26000:19:27.480 --> 00:19:32.000an abortion clinic ourselves. So wehave to come with compassion. We have26100:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.079to come with a gracious tone,but we also have to come with the26200:19:34.119 --> 00:19:41.519truth and shaking them out of thatthat sort of that lack of understanding the26300:19:41.559 --> 00:19:47.440weight of what they're doing. Um, you do that by stinging them with26400:19:47.480 --> 00:19:51.799the truth and reminding them what they'reinvolved in. Now, I know some26500:19:51.839 --> 00:19:56.079of these abortion workers have kind ofnumbed to their conscience with the idea,26600:19:56.240 --> 00:20:00.640with the notion that they're in itfor the women. They're in it for26700:20:00.680 --> 00:20:03.599women's health care. As a matterof fact, Abby Johnson and her testimony,26800:20:03.680 --> 00:20:08.119as I recall, God involved becauseshe wanted to help women with reproductive26900:20:08.160 --> 00:20:11.599healthcare. Right. She got involvedwith plant parenthood because she was sold that27000:20:12.119 --> 00:20:17.119that bill of goods, that you'rehelping women exercise their right to choice and27100:20:17.160 --> 00:20:21.920all this other stuff, when inreality, if you see what happens behind27200:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.799the scenes and you talk to abortionworkers that are honest about what happens behind27300:20:25.799 --> 00:20:29.359the scenes. They know that it'snot helping women. Actually, it's destroying27400:20:29.839 --> 00:20:33.759lives, the lives of babies andthe lives of the women. So reminding27500:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.720them of that, and I willsay that too. My calling out to27600:20:37.720 --> 00:20:41.640abortion workers is typically like this.I'll start out with God has made you27700:20:41.680 --> 00:20:47.200for so much more than this.God has given you skills and ability to27800:20:47.480 --> 00:20:49.640help and not to do harm.And you know what you're doing inside of27900:20:49.680 --> 00:20:53.680there's harming babies and harming women.So please go to abortion worker dot com28000:20:53.759 --> 00:20:59.759turn away from this industry. Andthat's how that's normally my my line that28100:20:59.799 --> 00:21:03.039I call out something that I likethat because that's giving the positive You're painting28200:21:03.039 --> 00:21:07.759a positive vision. Uh when you'recalling out to them, which is a28300:21:07.799 --> 00:21:10.599really I think, really, well, ye do the same thing calling out28400:21:10.599 --> 00:21:12.599to the abortionist too. I thinkthere is a different level. You know,28500:21:12.599 --> 00:21:15.920if we talk about levels of peoplethat we reach out to, You've28600:21:15.920 --> 00:21:21.960got the abortion workers kind of likethe common nurses and people that work the28700:21:22.000 --> 00:21:23.680front desk and people that work thecall center, and then you've got the28800:21:23.680 --> 00:21:30.279abortionists. And I think that's evenanother level of engaging with them and helping28900:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.400them to understand, and I'll callout that very same thing. I might29000:21:33.480 --> 00:21:41.319be a little a little more harshwith the abortionist because I know that he's29100:21:41.400 --> 00:21:45.519there. There's no way that heor she can deny that they're killing human29200:21:45.519 --> 00:21:48.839beings, right, they see thelittle arms and legs. They know it,29300:21:48.079 --> 00:21:52.680right. They've been to medical schoolfor you know, eight ten years,29400:21:52.240 --> 00:21:56.400so there's no denying the facts.And so i might be a little29500:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.480more harsh with them, but I'mstill gonna be gracious. I'm still gonna29600:21:59.559 --> 00:22:03.480understand that except with the grace ofGod, um, I might be doing29700:22:03.519 --> 00:22:06.359the same thing that they're doing.But I do, at the end want29800:22:06.359 --> 00:22:08.799to call them to repentance and tocall them to connect with the abortion worker29900:22:08.880 --> 00:22:12.759dot com folks. Yeah, Andand that's a good point that we do30000:22:12.880 --> 00:22:18.039call out to the abortionist as well, not not just the clinical workers,30100:22:18.119 --> 00:22:23.519but but the abortionist his or himor herself. And one of the things30200:22:23.519 --> 00:22:30.559in painting the positive vision sort ofidea I will call out is you,30300:22:30.920 --> 00:22:37.079at one time, maybe even stillhave worked handing a living child to his30400:22:37.160 --> 00:22:44.240mother, and you know the joyof that moment um, But that's not30500:22:44.319 --> 00:22:48.039what you're experiencing in this work,is it? And what do you think30600:22:48.039 --> 00:22:52.640God has called you to? So? Um? So, yeah, calling30700:22:52.799 --> 00:23:00.359calling out to the abortionist as wellas really important. Um it's it's something30800:23:00.400 --> 00:23:03.440that kind of has surprised me,but it's it's often the case with the30900:23:03.440 --> 00:23:08.160ones that I have worked with,is that they have had very poor role31000:23:08.200 --> 00:23:12.039models in their life and some ofthe basic life skills that we don't even31100:23:12.079 --> 00:23:18.400think about. Maybe they don't have, things like when their phone breaks.31200:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.119This happened recently. Their phone eitherwas discontinued or broke or whatever. And31300:23:22.319 --> 00:23:26.920I had given a whole list ofkind of two dues and people to call,31400:23:27.000 --> 00:23:33.440including abortion worker dot com. Andwhen their phone broke, they just31500:23:33.200 --> 00:23:38.880didn't do it. They just kindof didn't persist. And weeks later she31600:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.319still didn't have a job, AndI said, well, what does abortion31700:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.640worker dot com say? And shesaid, well, I never got back31800:23:44.680 --> 00:23:47.720to them when my phone broke,and and I had to say, well,31900:23:48.599 --> 00:23:51.079that's something you need to do rightaway. In fact, I would32000:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.559do it immediately because they're the peoplethat are most going to help you.32100:23:53.960 --> 00:23:57.799And said oh okay, and shewas willing. She just really didn't even32200:23:57.880 --> 00:24:02.960think of it, which is oddto me, but I think to be32300:24:03.079 --> 00:24:08.920aware of that, that that helpingand coaching them is really important and so32400:24:10.480 --> 00:24:17.599kind of um uh to to wrapthis up, you've got the article that32500:24:17.839 --> 00:24:19.960um that we have put out,and we we don't have the time to32600:24:21.079 --> 00:24:26.799go through all of the points.But I think a final point that I32700:24:26.799 --> 00:24:32.319I would like to leave us withis remind them of who they are in32800:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.880Christ. Remind them they are notdefined by their past. It is very32900:24:37.920 --> 00:24:42.200important that they recognize they do nothave to always be remembered as the person33000:24:42.319 --> 00:24:48.599who helped in the dismemberment of littlebabies. They are a new creation in33100:24:48.759 --> 00:24:52.359Christ, hopefully if they have cometo the Lord. But even reminding them,33200:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.400like you said earlier, Daniel,that God has created them for something33300:24:56.519 --> 00:25:00.319so much better. Yeah. Yeah, if they're not yet children of God,33400:25:00.599 --> 00:25:03.599you can inform them of what theycan be and how they can be33500:25:03.720 --> 00:25:08.079free in Jesus. If they cameto know the Lord through repenting of working33600:25:08.079 --> 00:25:12.279in the abortion industry, and youknow, through the process, um reminding33700:25:12.319 --> 00:25:17.160them that they're not who they usedto be. Yeah. That, and33800:25:17.200 --> 00:25:22.240so the Lord is very gracious andwhat he does and we've been blessed to33900:25:22.279 --> 00:25:26.119see abortion workers quit. We actuallyhave a testimony in our love life on34000:25:26.160 --> 00:25:32.720our love life YouTube channel, Kawana'stestimony who Kawanta used to work the front34100:25:32.759 --> 00:25:37.079desk of the Tribe Abortion Center forI think she says twelve to fifteen years34200:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.839and um, by God's grace,I would really encourage you guys. Maybe34300:25:41.880 --> 00:25:44.160I'll put that in the show notesfor you guys to watch that video if34400:25:44.200 --> 00:25:47.200you have not. But it's anawesome testimony, and it's a testimony you34500:25:47.200 --> 00:25:49.759can share with other abortion workers aswell, just what the Lord will do34600:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.720and how the Lord can turn thingsaround. So we appreciate you guys listening.34700:25:53.720 --> 00:25:56.440We hope this episode was a blessingto you. You can reach out34800:25:56.440 --> 00:26:00.240to me Daniel at love life dotorg. You can reach her vi key34900:26:00.599 --> 00:26:03.279with a y at love life dotorg. We'd love to hear from you.35000:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.240Also check out our podcast website,Gospel Centered pro life dot com,35100:26:07.240 --> 00:26:10.680where all of our episodes are stored, and then you can go to our35200:26:10.720 --> 00:26:15.279training and equipping website Sidewalks for Lifedot com, Sidewalks Centumber before Life dot35300:26:15.319 --> 00:26:18.440com. I hope you take advantageof those things. And until next time,35400:26:18.599 --> 00:26:32.000God bless bless ye all. Giveme our left love, give me35500:26:32.599 --> 00:26:44.920our lift for gratitude. I knowit will cost me my life. Nothings35600:26:45.000 --> 00:27:00.240too precious since I met you,M