Prayer and Worship in Front of An Abortion Clinic-Interview with Andre Gonzalez

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.310Lord, I am you. Welcometo the Gospel Center pro life podcast and300:00:10.390 --> 00:00:14.230this episode we're going to talk withcity director for Love Life Charlotte, Andrea400:00:14.269 --> 00:00:18.510Gonzalez, about his heart for prayerand worship at an abortion center. Stay500:00:18.589 --> 00:00:36.009tuned, Lord. I felt showpassis touch your heart. All right.600:00:36.090 --> 00:00:39.090Well, welcome to the Gospel Centerpro life podcast. I have with me700:00:39.210 --> 00:00:43.689today Andrea Gonzalez, who is thedirector, city director of Love Life here800:00:43.729 --> 00:00:48.009in Charlotte, and he's going toshare his heart and really talk about prayer900:00:48.130 --> 00:00:51.719and worship in front of an abortionclinic. Clinic. It's not the only1000:00:51.799 --> 00:00:54.200thing that they do, but it'sa big part of what they do and1100:00:54.320 --> 00:00:57.159bring in churches and things like thatout there, real close partner ministry with1200:00:57.280 --> 00:01:00.119us, and so I'm going toget him to share his heart about that.1300:01:00.280 --> 00:01:04.109So real quick Andre Introduce Yourself.Your road at I get that right?1400:01:04.150 --> 00:01:07.870Or Yeah, the city directed,city director, okay, Charlotte,1500:01:07.870 --> 00:01:11.829focus on Charlotte. Okay. Cool. And as a city director, what1600:01:11.189 --> 00:01:15.109does that entail like? What doyou do in that role? So I1700:01:15.230 --> 00:01:21.939mainly oversee all the Saturday prayer walks, okay, the Sunday morning launches and1800:01:22.019 --> 00:01:26.260a Sunday morning launches we get churchesto preach on the same epity of life1900:01:26.299 --> 00:01:30.140and we'll come into our presentation andwe bring education and awareness on the issue2000:01:30.180 --> 00:01:34.650of abortion, okay, in Charlotte, and that's where we get all them2100:01:34.730 --> 00:01:37.489to come to the pro walk onSaturday. Yeah. So, and then2200:01:37.530 --> 00:01:44.370I oversee recruiting, okay, recruitingthe new churches, getting the old churches2300:01:44.409 --> 00:01:47.760to come back, and then I'vegot a couple areas that I'm overseeing.2400:01:47.920 --> 00:01:49.680Yeah, okay. So you havein that role, you have a lot2500:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.400of connection in with pastors. Yeah, Church. I mean just this morning,2600:01:53.480 --> 00:01:57.480main role. How many pastors wereout this morning? They were too2700:01:57.599 --> 00:02:00.989youth pastors and one senior pastor,okay, and then a congregational leader.2800:02:00.989 --> 00:02:07.469Yeah, that's so you get tosee kind of in that in that setting,2900:02:07.469 --> 00:02:08.949or at least with those connections,you get to see how the prayer3000:02:09.030 --> 00:02:14.870walks and that kind of thing impactstwo churches and impacts the pastors and that3100:02:14.949 --> 00:02:16.060sort of thing, which we'll talkabout that and just a little bit.3200:02:16.139 --> 00:02:22.139But I want to talk about youand you sort of you know, did3300:02:22.340 --> 00:02:24.659a podcast with Justin. Who isthat? Who's the founder of love life.3400:02:24.740 --> 00:02:29.139He's the boss and he say he'syour boss and God's doing all kinds3500:02:29.180 --> 00:02:31.610of stuff through him and through youguys. And you know, I talked3600:02:31.610 --> 00:02:35.210to him a little bit from theperspective, at least got him to talk3700:02:35.250 --> 00:02:38.129from the perspective of being sort ofnew to the pro life movement. Right,3800:02:38.210 --> 00:02:40.409you know, as Christians we becomeChristians. We agree that, you3900:02:40.490 --> 00:02:44.479know, life begins a conception.Every life deserves to be protected. But4000:02:44.879 --> 00:02:49.879to really get into full frontal battlewith this, with this abortion demon so4100:02:50.000 --> 00:02:53.520to speak, is a yeah,and it's and it's a it's a step4200:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.159for not everybody can say, youknow, I'm part of the pro life4300:02:57.199 --> 00:02:59.909movement. I would say at thispoint you are. Yeah, and you've4400:02:59.949 --> 00:03:02.949been involved for four, three orfour years. Love life started three and4500:03:02.990 --> 00:03:08.110a half years ago and I hadthe privilege of kind of launching it with4600:03:08.270 --> 00:03:13.219Justin. Yeah, Justin's vision.God spoke to him and laid out this4700:03:13.379 --> 00:03:16.900vision. He actually had already hada director lined up that was going to4800:03:17.139 --> 00:03:21.379be his director and do everything,and he canceled on them. Yeah,4900:03:21.580 --> 00:03:24.860two weeks later I called them andI saw that he went to my church5000:03:24.900 --> 00:03:30.490and that he had a job openingand it was a sales position. I5100:03:30.650 --> 00:03:34.409did it was with his other businesses, not with Minister, with industry.5200:03:34.530 --> 00:03:38.610Yeah, and I wanted to getback into full time ministry. I had5300:03:38.689 --> 00:03:45.439a passion for prayer, for worship, young people, missions and revival and5400:03:45.520 --> 00:03:49.319unity while the church. These arethings, but I didn't know exactly how5500:03:49.680 --> 00:03:53.919all that would work. I thoughtabout starting my own FID one, c5600:03:53.159 --> 00:03:59.389three, and I'd actually done thatseveral years back and didn't go as I5700:03:59.590 --> 00:04:03.150had hoped. Yeah, and soI'd always actually I always felt that I5800:04:03.229 --> 00:04:08.430would partner up with a businessman andwe would do this thing together. So5900:04:08.509 --> 00:04:12.580who would have thought that, actuallyknowing this? But he's a younger businessman.6000:04:12.740 --> 00:04:16.300Yeah, and unbelievably smart and justcool what God has done. So6100:04:16.379 --> 00:04:20.579always, I start telling Him myvision over the phone and he said,6200:04:20.579 --> 00:04:25.089you know, I think you're callingabout a different position. Want you come6300:04:25.290 --> 00:04:27.569to my office and I'll tell youabout it. So the very next day6400:04:27.569 --> 00:04:30.329I went to interview with his dadand his brother there at a superior wash6500:04:30.490 --> 00:04:35.170company, and he began to sharehis vision and is, Hey, let6600:04:35.209 --> 00:04:38.720me take you out to the abortioncenter? Yeah, have you ever been6700:04:38.759 --> 00:04:42.720out here? And I said no, I didn't know we've really had one.6800:04:42.920 --> 00:04:47.000It was completely off of my rnar. Yeah, before that I had6900:04:47.079 --> 00:04:50.199all his own staff at a localchurch. I was the worship pastor for7000:04:50.319 --> 00:04:55.110four and a half years and Ihad started this ministry called Unite Charlotte and7100:04:55.149 --> 00:04:59.509it was a desire to bring thechurches together to worship and to pray and7200:04:59.790 --> 00:05:02.629ask God for revival, for awakening. Church is coming out and we would7300:05:02.629 --> 00:05:10.379see real transformation shift through prayer andworship. And we did six of these7400:05:10.420 --> 00:05:16.540events and the very last one wedid we had forty churches all participate and7500:05:16.779 --> 00:05:19.500we had about one hundred people allcome out for this night of worship.7600:05:19.500 --> 00:05:25.050Oh Yeah, Central Piedmont Community Collegeand the auditorium area. And at the7700:05:25.089 --> 00:05:31.329end of that that Unite Charlotte event, my pastor called me in and said,7800:05:31.329 --> 00:05:34.649Hey, we're cutting it and prettymuch amount of a job. Wow.7900:05:35.800 --> 00:05:39.519And here's the thing. I wasexcited. I'm like, all right,8000:05:39.560 --> 00:05:43.519Lord then you've got something, somethingdifferent for me, or you're going8100:05:43.560 --> 00:05:46.759to allow me to do this,maybe on my own or but anyways,8200:05:46.800 --> 00:05:50.149three and a half years went by, I was out of ministry, full8300:05:50.269 --> 00:05:56.949time, Fivefold Ministry. Yeah,and that's what I met Justin and Justin8400:05:56.990 --> 00:06:00.949brought me to the abortion center,told me the tragic truth and said that8500:06:00.029 --> 00:06:05.220he wanted to get the church outthere to pray, not to protest,8600:06:05.339 --> 00:06:09.259not the whole size, not topick it, but to pray. And8700:06:09.620 --> 00:06:12.939when he said prayer, I waslike that's it. Yeah, that's my8800:06:13.100 --> 00:06:15.579heart. Yeah, that's why Ifeel like God has called me to do8900:06:15.259 --> 00:06:18.490to get the church out here topray. And he said he wants to9000:06:18.490 --> 00:06:23.930do a forty week journey of hopeand get churches to adopt one week out9100:06:23.930 --> 00:06:28.490of that forty weeks and then getthem to come to the abortion center to9200:06:28.569 --> 00:06:31.610pray. and to me, Iin my mind I thought this is like9300:06:32.279 --> 00:06:35.519taking them on a mission trip.Yeah, yeah, this is opening an9400:06:35.560 --> 00:06:40.800opportunity for instead of just having onebig night of worship and prayer rushing,9500:06:40.920 --> 00:06:46.389do forty of them every Saturday atthe darkest place in our city and we're9600:06:46.389 --> 00:06:48.509going to worship and we're going topray and we're going to leave for moms9700:06:48.550 --> 00:06:54.269to choose life and really ultimately prayingfor people. Get give the hearst of9800:06:54.269 --> 00:06:57.430Christ. Yeah, and so heoffered me the job. So I'm like9900:06:57.589 --> 00:06:59.949yes, I'll do it. Soit's like man, yeah, I mean10000:06:59.990 --> 00:07:01.540that's sort of what happened to mewith with cities for life. You know,10100:07:01.579 --> 00:07:04.220I've been involved, you know,since two thousand and five, out10200:07:04.259 --> 00:07:09.540there on the sidewalks and and youknow, then cities for life was started10300:07:09.899 --> 00:07:12.139apart from me. I was apart of it, but I didn't help10400:07:12.220 --> 00:07:15.500started or anything. The bad roomsgot started that thing, and then I10500:07:15.540 --> 00:07:17.610get a call out of the bluefrom from those guys like Hey, man,10600:07:17.689 --> 00:07:19.850we started this minister, you're partof it. We need somebody to10700:07:19.889 --> 00:07:23.449lead it. Well, you thinkyou might want to pray about being the10800:07:23.529 --> 00:07:26.689director of this thing? Like well, let's see, you know, full10900:07:26.769 --> 00:07:29.850time ministry, doing what the Lordhas called me to do, and you're11000:07:29.850 --> 00:07:31.319going to pay me to do it. Yeah, I'll pray about it.11100:07:31.360 --> 00:07:33.439I'm pretty sure is the will ofGod. And it was like yeah,11200:07:33.600 --> 00:07:36.759the Lord is also actually does it. I mean when you're sharing like those,11300:07:38.000 --> 00:07:42.399they sort of your heart and theaspects of really what God has called11400:07:42.439 --> 00:07:46.029you to and what he's put inyour heart. It's like that's all tied11500:07:46.069 --> 00:07:47.629together in this love life vision,you know, the prey and worship,11600:07:47.629 --> 00:07:50.110which is why I wanted to haveyou come and talk about pray and worship,11700:07:50.350 --> 00:07:55.790because it's like it emanates from you. Your your prayer warrior. You're11800:07:55.790 --> 00:08:00.579a worshiper. We've had you comeand lead worship at the Rovy Wade memorial11900:08:00.660 --> 00:08:03.019where you've played, and it's like, man, you just you have an12000:08:03.060 --> 00:08:05.660anointing for worship. But you know, with you know, one worship leader12100:08:07.339 --> 00:08:09.899some years back was talking about leadingworship. I read a book, or12200:08:09.980 --> 00:08:13.569what I get who it was.Might Have Been Matt Redman, he said12300:08:13.649 --> 00:08:16.250he was saying, you know,we're not worship leaders where actually lead worshippers?12400:08:16.290 --> 00:08:22.050Yep, and so we're leading peopleinto worship, but we're not like12500:08:22.290 --> 00:08:24.009heading this thing up. We're justwe're worshiping and they come along. And12600:08:24.129 --> 00:08:28.240I see that with you, likewhen I see you out front, it's12700:08:28.319 --> 00:08:31.279with the prayers and you know,the prayer walks. You guys are going12800:08:31.319 --> 00:08:33.240around the circle. I see youout front and you're praying and you're worshiping.12900:08:33.279 --> 00:08:37.000Yeah, and you're engaged. Youyou're like, you know, locked13000:08:37.080 --> 00:08:41.000on to the Lord, praying,yeah, and it's a it's an awesome13100:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.750blessing for me because we're out thereon the front lines and we're reaching out13200:08:46.070 --> 00:08:50.269and we're certainly in prayer. Youpray without ceasing, but our attention is13300:08:50.549 --> 00:08:52.070toward those moms. Yes, say, man, okay, we got this,13400:08:52.309 --> 00:08:56.139this group of people that are behindus, back in us in prayer.13500:08:56.179 --> 00:09:00.500Yeah, don't real quick if youcan. I want to get into13600:09:00.539 --> 00:09:03.299some of the effect that you've seenthat prayer and worship has had within the13700:09:03.340 --> 00:09:07.700churches. Obviously we've seen the effectthat prayer worship has at the abortion center.13800:09:09.059 --> 00:09:13.730We've seen like today. Yeah,it Wednesdays are typically the slowest day13900:09:13.730 --> 00:09:16.730at the business abortion. Kind ofCAN CHARLOTTE, but still there's twenty abortions.14000:09:16.809 --> 00:09:18.730Yeah, on a Wednesday. Todaythey were like seven. Wow,14100:09:20.169 --> 00:09:22.769seven people showed up. One actuallychose Lafe. So we see, and14200:09:22.929 --> 00:09:24.840this is Wednesday, this is whenthe church, you guys are calling the14300:09:24.919 --> 00:09:30.440church to prayer and fasting. Yeah, we had six churches commit to praying14400:09:30.519 --> 00:09:33.600and fasting today. Yeah, yeah, and so we see like Moorsville and14500:09:33.679 --> 00:09:37.120one in Cornelia. Yeah, butbefore we talk about that, and so14600:09:37.360 --> 00:09:41.389some of the effect that you're seeingin the Churches Chair, a little bit14700:09:41.429 --> 00:09:46.190of your kind of your heart forthe issue of abortion and how how abortion14800:09:46.389 --> 00:09:48.029is touched your family. I knowyou have a story, at least you14900:09:48.350 --> 00:09:52.350and your family, where that's that'sbeen you know, think you guys have15000:09:52.470 --> 00:09:58.899dealt with so my mom had threeabortions and she kept it a secret for15100:09:58.019 --> 00:10:03.899seventeen years. I was on amission trip. I used to work with15200:10:03.980 --> 00:10:09.210a youth missions organization. We herin Venezuela and we had all the kids15300:10:09.250 --> 00:10:15.889there. There are several hundred kidsand I remember saying to all the kids,15400:10:15.889 --> 00:10:20.929and I feel like God is wantingto set people free of some shame15500:10:20.250 --> 00:10:24.320and guilt that you've been caring foryears. Yeah, and so if that15600:10:24.519 --> 00:10:28.320is you, would you come onup? We want to pray for you.15700:10:28.840 --> 00:10:31.200And all these kids came up andI looked over and I saw my15800:10:31.279 --> 00:10:35.159mom crying in the back and ofcourse you know, you don't never want15900:10:35.159 --> 00:10:37.070to see your mom crying. Youknow what's going on. So after we16000:10:37.230 --> 00:10:41.070minister to the kids, they kindof escorted me back to where she was16100:10:41.110 --> 00:10:45.909at because she was crying so hard, and she went to tell me that16200:10:46.110 --> 00:10:50.100she had three abortions and she's keptit a secret for for a long time,16300:10:50.220 --> 00:10:56.700for seventeen years, and that wordwas for her. Yeah, and16400:10:56.659 --> 00:11:03.340that was really the first really experienceI had with abortion. Yeah, this16500:11:03.500 --> 00:11:05.250happed. You know, what happenedbefore my mom got saved? She had16600:11:05.250 --> 00:11:09.250gotten divorced. You know, througha divorce is just so hard. Yeah,16700:11:09.450 --> 00:11:13.929and after the abortions, of courseshe felt so guilty. But then16800:11:13.970 --> 00:11:18.080she gave her heart to Christ andshe knew God forgave her of all her16900:11:18.120 --> 00:11:22.519sins are all the passing, butshe still walked around with the shame and17000:11:22.559 --> 00:11:26.519the guilt and not telling anybody.Yeah, so that was it. Yeah,17100:11:26.519 --> 00:11:30.559that's all I knew about the issueof abortion. I was prolife.17200:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.110Obviously, the word of God's veryclear. Yeah about that. Life starts17300:11:35.149 --> 00:11:39.870at conception and even before we evenin our mother's womb. God knows us17400:11:39.909 --> 00:11:41.110and as a call and a planefor us. Yeah, we know from17500:11:41.110 --> 00:11:46.029Jeremiah. But that was it.Yeah, and so when Justin told me,17600:11:46.220 --> 00:11:52.620told me this this vision, Igot excited because I was I had17700:11:52.779 --> 00:11:56.820really had no experience with pro lifeministry. But to me I saw this17800:11:56.940 --> 00:12:01.769in mission field. Yeah, andopportunity to mobilize the church to the darkest17900:12:01.809 --> 00:12:03.450place. That's, you know,one of the things. I mean,18000:12:03.490 --> 00:12:07.330obviously you're not airing your mom's dirtylaundry. She shares her testimony, she's18100:12:07.370 --> 00:12:11.009God's using her and bringing healing toother people. That's one of the things18200:12:11.090 --> 00:12:15.450that actually it's sort of wasn't likewhen you guys got started in doing love18300:12:15.610 --> 00:12:18.080life. You know, I sawit use prayer, support, you,18400:12:18.200 --> 00:12:20.799bringing the church out. It's awin right, but it really didn't enter18500:12:20.879 --> 00:12:24.279my mind, and I don't knowwhy, because it's an obvious thing,18600:12:24.360 --> 00:12:28.879but it didn't into my mind howmuch it would have an effect on people18700:12:28.879 --> 00:12:31.629who are post aboarded. Yeah,because, you know, I think the18800:12:31.710 --> 00:12:37.789statistic was the statistics seventy some percentof people to have abortions are from you18900:12:37.950 --> 00:12:41.950Christian or Christians from the church.And so what we heard as far as19000:12:41.029 --> 00:12:46.419evangelical churches, what we've heard thatit was it's fifty four percent of people19100:12:48.940 --> 00:12:52.500claim to be Christians that are havingabortions and actually fifty four percent of the19200:12:52.539 --> 00:12:56.700people were actually in an evangelical churchwithin the month of their abortion. Yeah,19300:12:56.700 --> 00:13:00.169so that's a lot of yeah,Christians that are in our churches that19400:13:00.169 --> 00:13:03.049are having abortions. Yeah, absolutely. And so when I when you started19500:13:03.090 --> 00:13:07.330charing with me and now you guys, I don't think he started with a19600:13:07.450 --> 00:13:09.409focus on post aboard of healing.I think it was like your two or19700:13:09.409 --> 00:13:13.000three. You guys really brought thatin as a piece. But you started19800:13:13.120 --> 00:13:16.679finding, at least you shared withme, and Justin a share with me,19900:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.639some people who are coming to thepair walks and they're getting they're getting20000:13:18.639 --> 00:13:24.000set free from the guilt and theshame of their past abortions. Even some,20100:13:24.039 --> 00:13:26.789yeah, I haven't had an abortionat that very abortion clinic. Yeah,20200:13:26.870 --> 00:13:31.629coming out so so so talking aboutsort of the effect that the prayer20300:13:31.669 --> 00:13:35.710walks have had and love life hashad within the churches. Yeah, what20400:13:35.830 --> 00:13:39.309are some of the fat effects?And certainly share the post aboard of healing20500:13:39.350 --> 00:13:41.899effect, but also, like,are you seeing pastors? Yeah, who20600:13:41.940 --> 00:13:46.860are? You know, their prolife and we believe that we should vote20700:13:46.860 --> 00:13:48.980for pro life candidates and all this, but now they're being activated to go20800:13:50.100 --> 00:13:52.899down just voting or whatever. Ye, seeing that sort of thing. They're20900:13:52.899 --> 00:13:56.929actually we felt like the Lord hasmade this vision so clear and so easy21000:13:58.009 --> 00:14:01.129to do. It's become a pathway, yeah, for people to say hey,21100:14:01.129 --> 00:14:05.129I'm pro life, but now Ican do something. I'm going to21200:14:05.210 --> 00:14:07.610pray and fast. On Wednesday I'mgoing to go to the abortion center.21300:14:09.009 --> 00:14:13.879For All these years people be afraidto actually go to an abortion center.21400:14:13.960 --> 00:14:16.720Yeah, because of maybe what they'veseen on TV or what they've heard.21500:14:16.919 --> 00:14:20.840It's just the scary thing. Andnow now that we're there every week,21600:14:20.879 --> 00:14:24.629people are like, Oh, Ican go. The worst I get as21700:14:24.669 --> 00:14:28.149I get yelled at or mocked.Yeah, but that's it. That and21800:14:28.509 --> 00:14:33.429Bible says we're blessed when we're persecuted. Yeah, and and and they're coming21900:14:33.470 --> 00:14:35.990there, being a part of itand their mobile legs and their people,22000:14:35.309 --> 00:14:37.779and it's been cool. Yeah,it's been awesome. Yees. Yeah,22100:14:39.100 --> 00:14:41.940so you're seeing pastors who really,you know, who might preach a pro22200:14:43.139 --> 00:14:46.539life message, you know, oncein a blue moon or never, or22300:14:46.659 --> 00:14:50.980never. Yeah, you're seeing thosepastors sort of like jolted right and they're22400:14:50.980 --> 00:14:56.730letting their jump started into actually gettingtheir congregations and an abortion clinic. Yeah,22500:14:56.730 --> 00:15:01.490which is which is a big deal. Like that's that's what the American22600:15:01.529 --> 00:15:03.610church does not do. That allright, that we stay as far as22700:15:03.649 --> 00:15:09.279we can away from controversial issues,right right. And so you're seeing some22800:15:09.320 --> 00:15:13.559pastors of even some pretty big churcheslike getting involved, right. Yeah,22900:15:13.679 --> 00:15:16.480yeah, it's to me it's theknow as a ministry, being on the23000:15:16.559 --> 00:15:20.559sidewalks and that sort of thing.It's been sort of our goal. Yeah,23100:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.629but to have the energy to doall the what you guys are doing23200:15:24.669 --> 00:15:26.590and connected with the pastors and givingthem an avenue. Like a pastor asked23300:15:26.629 --> 00:15:30.389me, so what do you wantme to do? My thing is come23400:15:30.389 --> 00:15:31.789out to the abortion clinic, comeout there in stand with us. But23500:15:31.870 --> 00:15:35.429you, you guys are sort ofgiving them an avenue to take not just23600:15:35.590 --> 00:15:39.539themselves but their whole congregation into yesbattle. Yeah, people ask us,23700:15:39.019 --> 00:15:43.659how are you doing this? WePRC's and and organizations that we've been trying23800:15:43.740 --> 00:15:48.299for years to get pastors to comeout, to get the whole congregation,23900:15:48.340 --> 00:15:50.690to get people out there praying.But we could get maybe three or four24000:15:50.730 --> 00:15:52.490or five people. How are youdoing this? And we tell him this,24100:15:54.889 --> 00:15:58.529it's a God thing. Yeah,I believe. I believe God is24200:15:58.610 --> 00:16:02.409saying now is the time, justlike God spoke to Moses and say hey,24300:16:03.009 --> 00:16:07.000I have indeed seen the misery ofmy people. Now Go. Yeah,24400:16:07.080 --> 00:16:11.159it's like it was a certain timewhen God said enough is enough with24500:16:11.200 --> 00:16:15.200the Israelites. Moses, I'm sendingyou to go to set my people free.24600:16:15.919 --> 00:16:21.190I believe that God is saying nowwas the time the church must awaken.24700:16:22.470 --> 00:16:26.309Go Be Moses, the it's allcome together, as Charlotte. Be24800:16:26.429 --> 00:16:33.059Like Moses to in the abortion industry. Be Like Moses income to that stronghold24900:16:33.100 --> 00:16:36.500of abortion and said let my peoplego. Yeah, I believe it's a25000:16:36.539 --> 00:16:42.620God that. I feel like Godis doing something that could end up in25100:16:42.820 --> 00:16:45.340the end to abortion. And Imean, I tell you this just from25200:16:45.379 --> 00:16:52.409my perspective. If you have fourthousand Christians at an abortion clinic, you25300:16:52.529 --> 00:16:57.730have you have revival, right,you have something happening. There's some kind25400:16:57.769 --> 00:17:02.960of now my saying that as acity, we've know, there's sweeping revival25500:17:03.000 --> 00:17:04.720and right, you know what Imean? I say in one sense,25600:17:04.799 --> 00:17:07.839yeah, because you just don't havefourzero Christians, and I know who're some25700:17:07.960 --> 00:17:12.880clinic pray and are doing anything.Let's go moment that that first year we25800:17:12.920 --> 00:17:15.470would have got fourzero people to comeout. Yeah, never in a million25900:17:15.470 --> 00:17:18.349years. Yeah, and then these, I think you said this coming Saturday.26000:17:18.430 --> 00:17:21.470You guys are going to have threeor four hundred right? Yeah,26100:17:21.509 --> 00:17:25.430this this Saturday was abouts a regularSaturday and it we should have about three26200:17:25.430 --> 00:17:27.789hundred. Yeah. Yeah, acouple couple months ago I was like,26300:17:27.869 --> 00:17:30.980man, they're five hundred people here. I don't from all these churches and26400:17:32.140 --> 00:17:36.220you're seeing, you know, differentdenominations. You're seeing them come together and26500:17:36.619 --> 00:17:40.420sort of those walls come down.MMM, we got Presbyterian churches that are26600:17:40.420 --> 00:17:44.609adopting. We have a lot ofBaptist churches. Out of all the denominations,26700:17:44.690 --> 00:17:47.250the Baptist have shown up the most. Yeah, because what we've been26800:17:47.329 --> 00:17:49.890told is it that the Baptist arevery mission minded. There used to go26900:17:51.130 --> 00:17:53.410on missions and they've they've connected thisas mission trip. Yeah, a lot27000:17:53.450 --> 00:17:59.920of Pentecostal churches, a lot ofnondenominational churches. They're all just coming and27100:18:00.039 --> 00:18:03.160thinking, Hey, we're going toput our denomination aside. We believe in27200:18:03.279 --> 00:18:04.920life. We know God believes inlife, so we're going to show up.27300:18:06.079 --> 00:18:08.359Yeah, and that again, man, that's like this is this is27400:18:10.000 --> 00:18:12.109this is God breathing, yeah,on this city and bringing when you have27500:18:12.230 --> 00:18:18.710those denominational walls come down and youknow, there's certainly there's denominational distinctions for27600:18:18.710 --> 00:18:22.029a reason. Right, I don'tknow, poopoo denominations. I think it's27700:18:22.190 --> 00:18:25.069some sense. It does offend theLord that we can't get along in some27800:18:25.190 --> 00:18:29.180ways, but to see us kindof getting along and getting God's heart for27900:18:29.259 --> 00:18:30.940this issue of abortion, say we'regoing to let this, these differences,28000:18:32.299 --> 00:18:34.059just kind of go by the waysideand we're going to focus on what God's28100:18:34.099 --> 00:18:38.059heart is on. To me that'sman gods vain. All I agree reads.28200:18:38.099 --> 00:18:41.849It's revival man. Yeah, withyou have so you guys have seen,28300:18:41.970 --> 00:18:45.450and I've heard the testimonies, butyou've seen when you, you know,28400:18:45.730 --> 00:18:49.690people come out to a prayer walkon the Saturday, you guys sort28500:18:49.730 --> 00:18:52.009of set up, you have alittle stage area that you set up and28600:18:52.009 --> 00:18:56.000you share testimony, you share thetragic truth again about the babies that are28700:18:56.000 --> 00:19:00.799being killed in our cities by abortion. And then at the end, I28800:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.559see you guys, you're given anultra call. Now, yeah, right,28900:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.119you're giving an alto call for peopleto give their lives to Jesus.29000:19:06.200 --> 00:19:08.960Yeah, you're given ultra call forpeople to get healing from past abortions.29100:19:10.349 --> 00:19:15.269We're actually trying. Only if theLord leaves us to do that because of29200:19:15.349 --> 00:19:18.430that issue is so delicate. Whatwe try to do is say hey,29300:19:18.430 --> 00:19:21.309if you've had an abortion your past, there's a table, get one of29400:19:21.309 --> 00:19:22.589our cards. We actuld give acard to everybody. Yeah, so they29500:19:22.630 --> 00:19:26.339could a woman because they feel somuch shamed, so much guilt, and29600:19:26.380 --> 00:19:30.099they're afraid to tell anybody. Alot of times they haven't told their husband29700:19:30.259 --> 00:19:33.019or they haven't told their children thatare adults. They see. Yeah,29800:19:33.099 --> 00:19:37.140told. So when at the endof the prayer walk, everybody gets a29900:19:37.339 --> 00:19:40.569card and it's to get connected toour sort of life ministry, which is30000:19:40.609 --> 00:19:44.410another one of our partners. Yeah, and then then they'll call that number30100:19:44.410 --> 00:19:47.890and get connected. We have aboutninety seven women and all that are doing30200:19:47.930 --> 00:19:49.849the bibles. Wow, that's apazingto me. Yeah, that's really that's30300:19:49.930 --> 00:19:53.519really an actually, excuse me,a hundred and thirty this year. Okay,30400:19:53.599 --> 00:19:56.480yeah, yeah, I got thenumber and, like I said,30500:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.599I didn't. That wouldn't even athought in my mind. I don't know30600:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.799why it wasn't, but how muchGod would use you guys in the prayer30700:20:02.839 --> 00:20:07.029walks in front of an abortion clownto get people set free from their past30800:20:07.069 --> 00:20:10.390abortions. You know, the oneof the things I'll say for us,30900:20:10.430 --> 00:20:12.589you know, it's a blessing forus and side will counseling that you know,31000:20:12.670 --> 00:20:15.829you guys are taking them. Youknow, we talked about this.31100:20:15.990 --> 00:20:18.029It's like a short term mission trip, right. You're taking them to the31200:20:18.069 --> 00:20:21.619abortion center. They're feeling the spiritualwarfare. They're not engaging, they're just31300:20:21.660 --> 00:20:25.380praying. They're worshipmen, but they'refeeling spiritual warfare and some of those people31400:20:25.380 --> 00:20:27.099are like, you know what,prayer, awesome, and he continue to31500:20:27.140 --> 00:20:30.980pray, but I want to takethe next step. And we've gotten volunteers.31600:20:30.019 --> 00:20:33.779Yeah, from from you guys.Matter of fact, that's our number31700:20:33.779 --> 00:20:37.369one source of volunteers now, peoplethat have come out for the prayer walks,31800:20:37.529 --> 00:20:41.410wow, and and so we're we'reactivating them. If we've had man,31900:20:41.490 --> 00:20:45.650that's that's a question for Vicki.Of How many. Yeah, how32000:20:45.730 --> 00:20:48.769many we've had, but well,I mean we've got days where we have,32100:20:48.890 --> 00:20:52.519in your ten volunteers, which ishasn't happened right. I mean we've32200:20:52.559 --> 00:20:56.759had days in the past where someby some miraculous thing, we'd have ten32300:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.599people out there, but now it'son a regular basis. We're seeing we're32400:21:00.599 --> 00:21:03.279seeing people coming out, we're seeingpeople wanting to get involved and take it32500:21:03.470 --> 00:21:07.630a step further. Yeah, whichis which is really awesome for us and32600:21:07.710 --> 00:21:11.269it really speaks to that whole likepeople are being, yeah, wakened,32700:21:11.670 --> 00:21:14.990awakened, and and God is moving. I want to talk that. I32800:21:15.029 --> 00:21:17.509want to share with your passage.I'm sure this is probably near and due32900:21:17.549 --> 00:21:23.500to your heart. Second Chronicles andChapter Twenty, and this is Josephat.33000:21:23.539 --> 00:21:26.619You know it. Josaphat is underthreat. A lot of you guys,33100:21:27.059 --> 00:21:30.539you guys, refer back to Neemiahand then rebuilding the wall, which is33200:21:30.579 --> 00:21:36.089awesome kind of spiritual analogy of whatwe're doing with this. But this is33300:21:36.170 --> 00:21:40.569a passage that talks about the talksabout worship right and talks about leading and33400:21:40.609 --> 00:21:42.170worship. You to Josephat was underthreat. They're going to be attacked,33500:21:45.329 --> 00:21:48.599about the Korites, or know whatever, whoever's attacking them. Anyway, they33600:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.759am rights and says when he consultedwith the people, he appointed those who33700:21:52.759 --> 00:21:57.720would sing to the Lord and whoshould praise the beauty of holiness as they33800:21:57.799 --> 00:22:02.470went before the army. And we'resaying praise the Lord for His mercy endors33900:22:02.509 --> 00:22:07.869forever. So it's Joseph at.The king has now put the worshippers in34000:22:08.150 --> 00:22:12.509front to prepare for battle. Andwe understand our our battle is not against34100:22:12.549 --> 00:22:17.500flesh and brother blood, it's againstprincipalities and rulers and and people, these34200:22:17.900 --> 00:22:21.380demonic forces, pure demonic is out. Yeah, yeah, because that's what34300:22:21.420 --> 00:22:25.619the abortion industry has. It's Aand we're in a spiritual battle. I34400:22:25.779 --> 00:22:29.299was actually talking to a guy theother day who goes out to the abortion34500:22:29.339 --> 00:22:33.170center sees not terribly keen on theidea of worship and prayer in front of34600:22:33.210 --> 00:22:34.529an abortion clinic, and I wassharing with him. I was like,34700:22:34.690 --> 00:22:38.049man, you don't get it.Like Joseph, Joseph at, if he34800:22:38.130 --> 00:22:41.369wanted to win this battle, hehad to put the worshipers out front.34900:22:41.450 --> 00:22:45.960This is worship, this is leadingabout prayer and worship. Yeah, and35000:22:45.440 --> 00:22:48.079staring. Don't you see that?I don't have a clue what you're even35100:22:48.079 --> 00:22:52.960talking about. Like it was likethis is this is the heart of God.35200:22:52.119 --> 00:22:56.960Yeah, worship and prayer. Whenwe live up the Lord, his35300:22:56.200 --> 00:23:00.589presence come, his presence moves onbehalf of his people. So talk a35400:23:00.789 --> 00:23:03.430little bit about your heart for that, your heart for to bring in,35500:23:03.950 --> 00:23:04.990you know, the presence of God. We know that the I, the35600:23:06.029 --> 00:23:07.589Lord, is in every place becauseit's of God feels the earth. Yeah,35700:23:07.630 --> 00:23:14.099but they are particular manifestations of God'spresence in special ways throughout the Bible35800:23:14.339 --> 00:23:17.059and we see those, yeah,today, when God just moves on heart.35900:23:17.180 --> 00:23:18.460Yeah, talk a little bit aboutthat and just bringing the presence of36000:23:18.500 --> 00:23:25.019the Lord through worship. So checkthis out. I saw this video a36100:23:25.140 --> 00:23:29.049while back. was called the transformationvideos. Do you remember you ever seen36200:23:29.089 --> 00:23:30.450it? Maybe I don't. Igot to send you the link. Okay,36300:23:30.890 --> 00:23:36.890it's it's a a documentary of whenGod showed up in different places and36400:23:37.609 --> 00:23:41.009it's by God named Georgeos Junior.It's an older video. Okay. I36500:23:41.009 --> 00:23:45.079remember watching it and I remember crying, like bawling when I saw what was36600:23:45.200 --> 00:23:49.200already in here. But I actuallysaw it happen, yeah, my own36700:23:49.240 --> 00:23:56.150eyes. And in the middle sCalli Columbia was overrun by the drug cartels.36800:23:56.829 --> 00:24:03.789They had had seven major drug cartelsin Calle Columbia that had overrun the36900:24:03.829 --> 00:24:10.220city. Between the seven drug cartelsthey were bringing in five hundred million dollars37000:24:10.259 --> 00:24:14.180a month. Yeah, and revenue. So when you're making that kind of37100:24:14.259 --> 00:24:19.380money, you've owned you own thepolice, you own politicians and you pretty37200:24:19.380 --> 00:24:25.930much rule the roost. Yeah,and what they were saying is that they37300:24:26.009 --> 00:24:32.329would be upward upwards a fifteen murdersa day in cally Columbia, and it37400:24:32.650 --> 00:24:37.009was mostly drug cartel related. Yeah, fighting amongst each other like Smu each37500:24:37.049 --> 00:24:38.000other, drug wars, blah,Blah Blah, and then a lot of37600:24:38.079 --> 00:24:42.880innocent lives would die in the midstof it. But fifteen earners day in37700:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.759a city, that's a lot.Yeah. So the Church got together and37800:24:47.799 --> 00:24:52.869said we've got to get our cityback to Jesus and they had this idea37900:24:52.069 --> 00:24:56.829to pack out one of the smallerstoker soccer stadiums and to do it all38000:24:56.869 --> 00:25:02.269night, night of worship and prayer, to pray for God for revival.38100:25:02.349 --> 00:25:06.349Yeah, and Calie Columbia. Andthey did that and after forty eight hours38200:25:06.470 --> 00:25:11.500the news headlines said this, notone murder in in the city that particular38300:25:11.619 --> 00:25:15.900weekend. Yeah, they said theyhad never seen that and people like we38400:25:15.940 --> 00:25:18.859need to do this again. Yeah, it's going to work. So the38500:25:18.019 --> 00:25:22.250very next month they did again,and it's hard to grow and grow.38600:25:22.690 --> 00:25:27.049They did it for like nine months. They packed out the really big soccer38700:25:27.089 --> 00:25:33.170stadium and they worshiped and they prayedall night long. Imagine that. Yeah,38800:25:33.250 --> 00:25:38.720all night long. And at theend of those nine months, the38900:25:40.079 --> 00:25:45.880the headlines said the government took downsix out of the seven drug cartel leaders39000:25:47.839 --> 00:25:52.069and a revival broke out. Yeah, and tons of people started getting safe,39100:25:52.109 --> 00:25:55.950celebrity started getting saved, churches werehaving services all over from seven in39200:25:55.950 --> 00:25:57.869the morning all the way to sevento night. You imagine that? Yeah,39300:25:59.150 --> 00:26:00.990because so many people were coming toher. There was a revival and39400:26:02.069 --> 00:26:07.579awakening. In the midst of that, the leader got shot. So they39500:26:07.660 --> 00:26:11.259experienced major persecution. Yeah, butbut when I saw that, I had39600:26:11.420 --> 00:26:17.099this heart and passion to do thathere in Charlotte. Yeah, like could39700:26:17.220 --> 00:26:23.210worship and prayer be a catalyst tosee real transformation happened in a city,39800:26:23.289 --> 00:26:30.329to see revival awakening happened in thecity? And so we're seeing that.39900:26:30.690 --> 00:26:34.480Yeah, we're seeing record numbers ofsaves than ever. Never for I get40000:26:34.519 --> 00:26:38.119your numbers from you. Yeah,and you you continue will tell me,40100:26:38.160 --> 00:26:41.440hey, we had one save onSaturday. We had two, we had40200:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.880three and then you told me.You said, by the way, all40300:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.829of last year. Maybe you toldme, I can remember, but but40400:26:48.990 --> 00:26:52.750all the last year we had thirtyone moms choose life on Saturday during the40500:26:52.750 --> 00:26:55.029prayer walk. Because are you thattold me that or, as probably,40600:26:55.069 --> 00:26:56.869our records could be Yourrec I wasour records. Yeah, so we had40700:26:56.950 --> 00:27:02.019thirty one moms choose life. Nowwe're right next to the abortion center and40800:27:02.099 --> 00:27:07.819we're worshiping and we're praying and weare already at forty nine moms and days40900:27:07.859 --> 00:27:11.579that have chosen life. But actuallyfifty baby safe, because one of those41000:27:11.579 --> 00:27:14.140babies, one of those MOMS,were carting twins. Okay. Yeah,41100:27:14.299 --> 00:27:18.289so so we're in week twenty nineand boom the numbers are up because we41200:27:18.369 --> 00:27:22.210are doing it closer. Yeah,proximity has made a difference. When the41300:27:22.250 --> 00:27:26.690light chose up, darkness mustly.Yeah, and there's the ibospirre changing.41400:27:26.769 --> 00:27:30.759Yeah, so you know, weI've heard this even before you guys got41500:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.079started doing what you're doing, butI heard even a lot now from the41600:27:33.160 --> 00:27:37.880pro abortion people and they'll say,you know, they'll quote Matthew, Chapter41700:27:37.039 --> 00:27:41.000Five, I believes, Chapter Five, Chapter Seven, word. Jesus says,41800:27:41.039 --> 00:27:44.240when you pray, go in yourgoing your closet and pray, and41900:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.549it's like they use that to toimply that, yeah, you shouldn't pray42000:27:47.589 --> 00:27:49.869in public. Right, well,Jesus is obviously talking about praying to give42100:27:49.869 --> 00:27:52.670attention to yourself, right, yea. And people, and let me just42200:27:52.789 --> 00:27:55.710tell you, in this day andage, if you want to tention to42300:27:55.750 --> 00:27:59.019yourself, you don't go and prayat an abortion clinic, right, you42400:27:59.099 --> 00:28:02.420don't do that. Typically you stayin your comfortable seat and you go to42500:28:02.500 --> 00:28:04.420church. Yeah, and that's it. Yeah, that's that's you don't draw42600:28:04.460 --> 00:28:10.099aten. Yeah. So we're calledto Yep, you know, the presence42700:28:10.099 --> 00:28:14.049of God is in us. Weare individually as Christians, filled with the42800:28:14.130 --> 00:28:19.289Holy Spirit, but when the churchcomes together and praise and worships, that42900:28:19.490 --> 00:28:23.529really brings a particular presence of theLord like this, this this sense.43000:28:23.690 --> 00:28:27.440We've had moms choose life. Yeah, who felt the presence of the Lord.43100:28:27.519 --> 00:28:32.319They knew that group of people overthere was praying and chose life.43200:28:32.400 --> 00:28:34.240Man. Yeah, I mean that'sthat's an awesome testimony. So a goodness43300:28:34.279 --> 00:28:40.559of God, and the cool thingabout it is is is we cannot do43400:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.789this without you. It's people needto understand that. It this is not43500:28:44.990 --> 00:28:48.990just a love life thing. Thisis we have come in partnership with help43600:28:48.029 --> 00:28:52.670pregnancy center and you guys, andall three of us have locked arms and43700:28:52.750 --> 00:28:55.859said, let's see this place closedown. Yeah, let's pray. And43800:28:56.019 --> 00:29:00.180how cool it is that we actuallyother pool life ministries are all in unity43900:29:00.259 --> 00:29:03.019with each other. Yeah, that'scool. That is that's why we're seeing44000:29:03.019 --> 00:29:07.500the results. Yeah, and ittakes it takes that humility and and ultimately44100:29:07.579 --> 00:29:12.970recognizing that it's not about cities forlife, love life, for help pregnancy44200:29:14.049 --> 00:29:18.369center or whatever. It's about God, it's about what he's doing and we're44300:29:18.410 --> 00:29:22.970just sort of as ministries, differentvehicles that the Lord uses. But ultimately,44400:29:22.049 --> 00:29:26.559you know, I like Justin's heartand your heart too, that ministry44500:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.839should flow out of the local church. Yep, this is really about this44600:29:29.960 --> 00:29:33.440is not about love life just tryingto advance its ministry or cities for life44700:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.759trying to advance its ministry. It'slike we're trying to equip and empower the44800:29:37.880 --> 00:29:41.069local churches, yeah, to dothe work. Yeah, that's why I44900:29:41.150 --> 00:29:44.990like the the the fact that it'sall pastor Greg Sloop, couple of weeks45000:29:44.990 --> 00:29:47.029ago, who's leading one of thepretties. You were, you were on45100:29:47.109 --> 00:29:49.029vacation, you with your family.I took the flay to the beat.45200:29:49.109 --> 00:29:53.059Yeah, you're getting these pastors.Yeah, that's that's awesome. Yeah,45300:29:53.099 --> 00:29:56.059and I know you guys are goingto continue to do that. Well,45400:29:56.339 --> 00:30:00.099you know, pretty much. That'sthat's the conversation. Man. I appreciate45500:30:00.180 --> 00:30:04.420you coming and sharing your heart withus, man, and I appreciate your45600:30:04.460 --> 00:30:07.849heart. I do. I appreciateyou. Every time I see you.45700:30:07.210 --> 00:30:11.289It's like, man, we're inthis thing together, right, bring this45800:30:11.369 --> 00:30:14.250battle together. So I appreciate you, man, appreciate you sharing with us45900:30:14.329 --> 00:30:18.769and appreciate all those who joined uson this podcast. Hope that you're blessed46000:30:18.769 --> 00:30:22.720by it. If you could sharethis podcast, share it with your friends,46100:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.880with your family, tell him tolike the podcast or two, to46200:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.799leave a review on the podcast andto visit us. If you want to46300:30:30.799 --> 00:30:34.750visit these guys, it's Love LifeDot Org. Right, Love Life Dot46400:30:34.750 --> 00:30:38.109Org. You can connect with Andreif you want to connect with those guys.46500:30:38.150 --> 00:30:41.910You want to connect with me,CHARLOTTE, dot cities for Life Dot46600:30:41.910 --> 00:30:45.470Org is our website. And myemail address is there in the contacts,46700:30:47.190 --> 00:30:49.180but we just took that. Yoube blessed as you continue to listen these46800:30:49.220 --> 00:30:55.539podcasts. Have you're blessed with thisone and and and continue to speak for46900:30:55.700 --> 00:30:57.619life, continue to serve the Lordwherever he's put you, and come one47000:30:57.660 --> 00:31:02.259out to a prayer walk. Amen, every Saturday till November sixteen. Yeah,47100:31:02.539 --> 00:31:04.210Amen. And then November sixteen willbe the big one. We're going47200:31:04.250 --> 00:31:08.210to have about eight thousand people outhere. Bring that would be that's gonna47300:31:08.210 --> 00:31:15.089be awesome. Yes, all right. Well, God bless use, Milan,47400:31:15.690 --> 00:31:36.750use, give me, give me. It will cost me my life,47500:31:40.269 --> 00:31:42.069but not too precious inside.