April 2, 2020

Pastors Arrested At An Abortion Center Under A Stay-at-Home Order

Pastors Arrested At An Abortion Center Under A Stay-at-Home Order

Local pastors were arrested for violating a stay-at-home order in North Carolina because they were praying at an abortion center. The coronavirus pandemic has changed a lot of the "norms" even how we conduct pro-life ministry. Vicky and Daniel talk...


Local pastors were arrested for violating a stay-at-home order in North Carolina because they were praying at an abortion center. The coronavirus pandemic has changed a lot of the "norms" even how we conduct pro-life ministry. Vicky and Daniel talk about how we as Christians should react to these various orders and what Cities4Life and partner ministries are doing locally to obey the rules but still be effective in saving lives.

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WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.599 Our calling is not to fight the powers would be our calling is to submit 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.990 to the power. That is, we submit to the Lord Jesus and to 3 00:00:08.150 --> 00:00:14.189 his rule and his reign, because he's the Lord. I Am Yours, 4 00:00:14.589 --> 00:00:19.789 I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Some local 5 00:00:19.829 --> 00:00:25.019 pastures were arrested for praying outside an abortion clinic and violation of a stayathome order. 6 00:00:25.460 --> 00:00:29.219 Join Vicky and as we talked through this biblically and the impact that stay 7 00:00:29.219 --> 00:00:32.740 at home orders and other laws have had on pro life ministry and me, 8 00:00:33.060 --> 00:00:48.609 Lord, I felt show Passish, touch your h use me love. Welcome 9 00:00:48.649 --> 00:00:54.560 to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We're here in an undisclosed location somewhere 10 00:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.520 inside the city of Charlotte, hunkered down in the midst of a pandemic. 11 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.320 Right. Not Trying to make light of it. It's a it's a big 12 00:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.950 issue, this coronavirus thing that we're all dealing with it. We're all dealing 13 00:01:04.989 --> 00:01:10.829 with various aspects of it, various aspects of way, the way that this 14 00:01:10.950 --> 00:01:14.909 thing has affected our lives and how, you know, I guess, the 15 00:01:14.989 --> 00:01:21.299 the repercussions of it and some of the decisions that local governments and the national 16 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:26.060 the federal government and state governments have made in order to tamp down on this, 17 00:01:26.340 --> 00:01:27.980 or, let's say tamped down, but in order to, I guess 18 00:01:27.980 --> 00:01:32.420 it else, the spread of this this virus. How you listen, we 19 00:01:32.700 --> 00:01:36.010 have to acknowledge, you know, there's conspiracy, theorists out there that think 20 00:01:36.090 --> 00:01:40.890 that this has is really not true, that the hospitals are actually empty and 21 00:01:41.090 --> 00:01:44.409 there's not people suffering from this. But we know that there are people suffering 22 00:01:44.450 --> 00:01:47.239 from from this virus and we don't want to make light of it, right, 23 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:55.200 but we do need to put it in perspective, and I'm not just 24 00:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.359 talking about economic perspective, but one of the things that we're going to talk 25 00:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.030 about today, the main focus what we're going to talk about today, is 26 00:02:02.310 --> 00:02:12.189 the fact that abortion clinics remain open right, even though not essential medical services. 27 00:02:12.550 --> 00:02:15.860 The federal government has said these things should stop, right and you know, 28 00:02:16.219 --> 00:02:19.500 local governments it said that. You know, they said that, I 29 00:02:19.659 --> 00:02:22.419 think, here in Mecklenburg County, and the state has said that. All 30 00:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.580 right. Well, they've said that all medical operations that are not necessary should 31 00:02:27.580 --> 00:02:30.930 be postponed. Yeah, absolutely. I just talked to gather the other day. 32 00:02:30.969 --> 00:02:36.250 He said his his mother's mother in law supposed to have brain cancer surgery. 33 00:02:36.490 --> 00:02:38.770 Oh My, and that's been postponed for two months. Wow, now, 34 00:02:39.569 --> 00:02:43.569 I mean, I'm not a doctor, right, don't even play one 35 00:02:43.610 --> 00:02:47.439 on TV. Yeah, but I'm thinking brain canswer surgery probably essential. You 36 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.919 with think, you know, yeah, and so you know. But we 37 00:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.319 just we just came from the abortion clinic here in Charlotte. How many abortion 38 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.710 patients were there? Mobbed? At least forty. Wow, probably amazing. 39 00:02:58.750 --> 00:03:05.030 Say, yeah, it's it's hard to wrap your mind around how folks can 40 00:03:05.069 --> 00:03:09.349 talk about you, non essential services being put off until you know, some 41 00:03:09.469 --> 00:03:15.659 undefined time, and yet here the abortion clinic is full forty abortion patients. 42 00:03:15.659 --> 00:03:17.580 And then we talk about social distancing. There's no way. And I don't 43 00:03:17.580 --> 00:03:20.659 know. I know the other day they were bringing them in and they were 44 00:03:20.740 --> 00:03:23.020 making some of them sit out in their cars and so so they didn't, 45 00:03:23.219 --> 00:03:25.659 you know, have the building full of people. Yeah, there are a 46 00:03:25.699 --> 00:03:28.849 couple of days though, they had at least thirty people there and they were 47 00:03:28.849 --> 00:03:30.969 all inside of the buildings. I don't know how it was to day. 48 00:03:30.129 --> 00:03:34.289 Yeah, I think it was a mix of both of those same but I'm 49 00:03:34.409 --> 00:03:38.370 sure they there was no way that they were keeping the social distance. Yeah, 50 00:03:38.569 --> 00:03:40.680 I mean we saw even as they lined up. There was like ten 51 00:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.719 and ten lined up as they open the doors and they were all past. 52 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.080 I mean they were right on each other's backs. Yes, well, yeah, 53 00:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.960 it's crazy. So that's what we're going to be talking about gas and 54 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.789 if you're, you know, stirred up over just what little bit we've mentioned 55 00:03:54.830 --> 00:03:59.030 thus far, you should be. Yeah, we you know, there's there's 56 00:03:59.069 --> 00:04:02.389 a phony outrage that goes around in society and people get out raised over things 57 00:04:02.430 --> 00:04:05.870 they're not really outraged over. You know, I'm I don't even like the 58 00:04:05.909 --> 00:04:11.780 word outrage, but I'm outraged with abortion in general. So, I mean, 59 00:04:12.340 --> 00:04:16.100 obviously, full disclosure, I think abortion clinics should be shut down because 60 00:04:16.100 --> 00:04:20.259 they killed children. Right, had really nothing to do with the coronavirus. 61 00:04:20.339 --> 00:04:24.220 Yeah, it should be shut down because they're killing children. Yeah, my 62 00:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.529 my opinion, and I believe in the scriptures opinion, God's opinion. Yeah, 63 00:04:28.930 --> 00:04:30.810 but they're people who, you know, think that abortion is a good 64 00:04:30.930 --> 00:04:34.730 thing and, you know, abortion clinic should remain open, and yet they're 65 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:40.920 talking about this social distancing. We talked about this in our coronavirus podcast where 66 00:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.800 we talked about the hypocrisy about bodily autonomy, and yet now the government is 67 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.720 able to take away your bodily autonomy as long as it affects another person. 68 00:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.110 So you have people who are pro choice or complaining about, you know, 69 00:04:54.230 --> 00:04:58.790 people spreading this virus. They should be complaining about the fact that there's a 70 00:04:58.910 --> 00:05:02.670 building with forty people that have come to that place that are having a non 71 00:05:02.870 --> 00:05:13.620 essential elective surgical procedure or medical procedure right being potentially exposed and exposing others to 72 00:05:14.139 --> 00:05:17.779 this virus. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, it's a they should be outraged, 73 00:05:17.899 --> 00:05:21.850 but of course they're not, because they think abortion is is an essential 74 00:05:21.970 --> 00:05:27.449 thing and it's their precious little jewel that they want to protect at all costs 75 00:05:27.569 --> 00:05:30.930 and even expand. I mean it's becoming an excuse like that. I have 76 00:05:31.089 --> 00:05:35.839 heard that there is talk of trying to get rid of the height amendment and 77 00:05:36.120 --> 00:05:42.199 have public funding of abortion, because the coronavirus has made it so difficult for 78 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.000 these women who have now lost their job, yes, to be able to 79 00:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.920 get their abortion right. So so there should be taxpayer funding, yeah, 80 00:05:49.110 --> 00:05:55.029 of abortion. It's crazy it because we've seen over the past couple of weeks, 81 00:05:55.350 --> 00:05:59.509 since this coronavirus scare and all this, we've seen an increase in people 82 00:05:59.550 --> 00:06:01.430 coming for aboords. All My yess, yeah, yeah, and it's like, 83 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:05.699 okay, so this, this is ramped up, have an abortions and 84 00:06:05.779 --> 00:06:08.819 all that. And course you have to ask yourself why, and I think 85 00:06:08.819 --> 00:06:12.980 we know it because fear. We've encountered people now, a couple of different 86 00:06:13.019 --> 00:06:16.699 people, who've told US specifically they're there for an abortion right because of the 87 00:06:16.819 --> 00:06:20.209 coronavirus. They lost their job and then this that. So of course we 88 00:06:20.290 --> 00:06:26.009 get that and that's why it's even more essential that we are there. Exactly 89 00:06:26.569 --> 00:06:30.889 because in all the the cases over the past few days, since the stay 90 00:06:30.889 --> 00:06:34.879 at home order, especially when people have come over and talked with us, 91 00:06:34.920 --> 00:06:41.480 and it's very evident that their decision to abort is being fueled by fear that 92 00:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.959 has been brought on by the coronavirus. And in the three cases that come 93 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.910 immediately to my mind, all three of them really did not want an abortion, 94 00:06:50.269 --> 00:06:54.709 really did not. And as soon as we were able to take away 95 00:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.149 that element of fear and talk about the hope and help that was available and 96 00:06:58.310 --> 00:07:01.300 talk with them about the truth of God that all three of them chose life. 97 00:07:01.300 --> 00:07:04.100 Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. The story from today that you share 98 00:07:04.139 --> 00:07:08.740 with me. A couple from a country, I guess we write and another 99 00:07:08.860 --> 00:07:12.939 country, from another country and good ways away, had some issues that they're 100 00:07:12.939 --> 00:07:15.009 dealing with. She didn't want to have an abortion at all, but felt 101 00:07:15.050 --> 00:07:18.649 like there's just no way in the midst of all this. And, of 102 00:07:18.769 --> 00:07:21.730 course, you know, you were able to offer them resources that they helped 103 00:07:21.810 --> 00:07:25.490 them. Yeah, and they had no idea and if we hadn't been there 104 00:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.009 again at just zeroed out, they there. She was already in there, 105 00:07:29.050 --> 00:07:31.560 the abortionist had arrived, she was in there for the abortion and the husband 106 00:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.639 came over to talk to me and I told him what we could offer, 107 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.759 all legitimate things, by the way, that they already have availed themselves of. 108 00:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.680 Yeah, as soon as we offered them, we made good. We 109 00:07:44.509 --> 00:07:47.790 got the people necessary to follow through on those resources. Yes, you say 110 00:07:47.790 --> 00:07:51.230 they already have availed themselves of like they've already been plugged into the researchers. 111 00:07:51.269 --> 00:07:56.550 They're absolutely. Yeah, absolutely, and they immediately went from the abortion clinic, 112 00:07:56.709 --> 00:08:00.339 chose life, went from the abortion clinic to the other resources and things 113 00:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.819 that connect. That's right. And in fact the the husband, said would 114 00:08:03.860 --> 00:08:05.259 you be able to do? I told him what we could do. Said 115 00:08:05.300 --> 00:08:09.379 can you do this now? Yeah, and I said yes, yeah, 116 00:08:09.660 --> 00:08:15.810 and we did, and that's God. God, God a shared and and 117 00:08:16.009 --> 00:08:20.610 provides. But but the the overarching point is that this was a woman who 118 00:08:20.610 --> 00:08:26.680 actually wanted the baby, but she was absolutely adamantly set on abortion because she 119 00:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.240 did not see her own way out of this mess. But we did. 120 00:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.080 And Yeah, I did, and if we hadn't been there, that baby 121 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.559 would be dead. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I guess 122 00:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.389 spring boards right into what we're talking about in this podcast, which is something 123 00:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.710 we're dealing with locally. You know, I've I've had a few people reach 124 00:08:45.830 --> 00:08:48.629 out to me in light of the state at home order that's been issued by 125 00:08:48.710 --> 00:08:52.110 Mecklenburg County. And you guys, you know, across the nation you probably 126 00:08:52.149 --> 00:08:56.019 dealing with this their states that have enacted stay at home or orders or shelter 127 00:08:56.179 --> 00:09:00.500 in place orders, and there's different levels of that, and I won't get 128 00:09:00.500 --> 00:09:01.860 into all of that because I don't know all the INS and outs of that, 129 00:09:03.460 --> 00:09:05.740 but there are people who are dealing with this in their city and their 130 00:09:05.740 --> 00:09:07.179 people are dealing with is this and their state, and so you know I'm 131 00:09:07.179 --> 00:09:11.289 talking about when talking about stay at home order, and in ours here in 132 00:09:11.370 --> 00:09:16.049 Mecklenburg County was basically stay at home unless you're part of an essential service or 133 00:09:16.850 --> 00:09:22.129 you are a support company or whatever for an essential service, or you need 134 00:09:22.169 --> 00:09:26.919 to walk your dog or you need to walk your dog or go kayaking or 135 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.519 bicycling to there are certain exceptions here, but you know, we're dealing with 136 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.559 that here in Mecklemburg County. It's in place for thirty days, yeah, 137 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.509 if I'm not mistaken, and then today actually at five o'clock and we're recording 138 00:09:41.549 --> 00:09:45.230 this on a Monday. This is the thirty of March that we recording this. 139 00:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.149 They're supposed to be a statewide thank that's have some of the same language 140 00:09:50.149 --> 00:09:52.299 as the Mecklenburg County one. Anyway, I've gotten people that have asked me 141 00:09:52.539 --> 00:09:56.539 and, you know, even well, meeting people, some believers, they're 142 00:09:56.580 --> 00:09:58.820 like, why you guys? Didn't you know? Why you guys not abiding 143 00:09:58.860 --> 00:10:03.019 by this stay at home order? Yeah, you guys are breaking the law, 144 00:10:03.659 --> 00:10:07.250 you guys are violating this thing and you guys are potentially exposing yourself and 145 00:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.529 exposing to other others to this virus and you're potentially part of the problem. 146 00:10:11.570 --> 00:10:15.250 Yeah, and I think it's a legitimate concern for people. Listen, there's 147 00:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.929 there's a lot of concern. There's a lot of people that are afraid they're 148 00:10:18.929 --> 00:10:20.929 going to, you know, not just that they're going to get this thing, 149 00:10:20.169 --> 00:10:22.480 but we should be concerned as Christians that we're not a part of the 150 00:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.159 problem, that we're not spreading this this virus us around. I don't want 151 00:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.000 someone that I'm in contact with, you know, I have you know, 152 00:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.480 if I had this this virus, had it in my body, which, 153 00:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.389 by God's grace, I don't, but if I did and I expose an 154 00:10:35.470 --> 00:10:39.669 older person to it, I would feel horrible. If I was just being 155 00:10:39.750 --> 00:10:41.470 haphazard. I mean some things you can't help, but if I'm just going 156 00:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.269 out and being recklessly, you know, exposed to this thing and exposing myself 157 00:10:46.389 --> 00:10:48.549 to the situations that that I don't need to, then that would be an 158 00:10:48.590 --> 00:10:52.220 issue. Yeah, but here's the thing. We're not doing that right. 159 00:10:52.299 --> 00:10:54.620 You know, we have friends also, you know, I'm told you I 160 00:10:54.659 --> 00:10:58.059 wanted to mention our friends with love life, Charlotte, our love life. 161 00:10:58.179 --> 00:11:01.419 Now they're, you know, all over the country, there here in Charlotte, 162 00:11:01.419 --> 00:11:05.970 Greensboro, Raleigh and then now in New York City, and they're doing 163 00:11:05.049 --> 00:11:09.409 prayer walks and that's there. One of their primary focus is bringing the church 164 00:11:09.450 --> 00:11:11.210 out to the abortion clinics to do prayer walks. And they were out there 165 00:11:11.490 --> 00:11:16.809 this past Saturday and there their ministry was in Greensboro, North Carolina, and 166 00:11:18.009 --> 00:11:22.840 they're doing a prayer walk and the police came out because Greensboro does have a 167 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.600 stay at home order and under the you know, authority, I guess, 168 00:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.200 of the stay at home order, they told him they had to leave, 169 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.149 so they did. The prayer walkers and the people who were there that morning 170 00:11:33.230 --> 00:11:35.909 left, but justin a good friend of mine who we had on the podcast 171 00:11:37.230 --> 00:11:41.830 some months ago went as the founder that ministry to see what was up and, 172 00:11:41.429 --> 00:11:43.870 you know, we believe, and they believe, that they had good 173 00:11:46.070 --> 00:11:48.059 standing to be out there. There are certain provisions, and we'll talk about 174 00:11:48.059 --> 00:11:52.980 those in a little bit, where we stand on these things exactly and in 175 00:11:52.179 --> 00:11:54.539 certain you know, we're not just kind of pulling the stuff out of the 176 00:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.059 dark, out of the air. We have lawyers that we've talked to we've 177 00:11:58.179 --> 00:12:03.889 read through the orders. We all sixteen pages exactly, and we want to 178 00:12:03.009 --> 00:12:05.730 be in you know, we want to be in compliance. We're not just 179 00:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.090 reckless. They you know, our friends would love life. They're not just 180 00:12:09.210 --> 00:12:11.250 reckless just to go out there and do what we want. We understand these 181 00:12:11.330 --> 00:12:16.000 are difficult times, these are extenuating circumstances and there's things that we maybe could 182 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000 have done a two months ago that we can't do now, you know. 183 00:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.679 But anyway, so our friends, they went out there. That Justin and 184 00:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.240 a couple of the other guys went out there and ultimately they were arrested. 185 00:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.110 They were they were arrested and and they were booked and and then, you 186 00:12:31.190 --> 00:12:35.470 know, let go and the police. Some of you guys, if you 187 00:12:35.509 --> 00:12:37.470 want to check, probably Google search it pretty easily, but you can see 188 00:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.389 the facebook live that they were recording at the time. The police did not 189 00:12:41.509 --> 00:12:45.100 want to have a conversation with them about the what they were even out there 190 00:12:45.179 --> 00:12:46.659 for. They didn't want to have a conversation about, you know, their 191 00:12:46.700 --> 00:12:50.659 legal ground that they were standing on to be out there, and they just 192 00:12:50.779 --> 00:12:54.659 sits there. Yeah, there wasn't. They had the order, they had 193 00:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.340 the orders and the paperwork in hand everything to show them, and the the 194 00:12:58.419 --> 00:13:01.850 police officers did not want to see it at not these that we're past that 195 00:13:01.929 --> 00:13:05.409 point. Yeah, as either leaver you're going to jail. So anyway. 196 00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:11.450 And then Monday today actually, when recording this podcast, a group of pastors, 197 00:13:11.490 --> 00:13:15.919 along with some of the folks from love life, went back out there 198 00:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.840 again to pray. They were just five of them and and actually the order 199 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.120 says you can't have a group of more than ten, so they were, 200 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.950 you know, half of that, and again they took them to jail. 201 00:13:26.990 --> 00:13:31.509 Yeah, they also another thing that really just was like wow, how can 202 00:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.750 they even justify this at all? And you know, we listen, we 203 00:13:33.909 --> 00:13:37.429 honor the police, we appreciate all that they do. It's you know, 204 00:13:37.909 --> 00:13:41.820 there are police officers to make decisions that are that are very difficult, and 205 00:13:43.019 --> 00:13:46.059 we get that. But also police officers make decisions that like come on, 206 00:13:46.299 --> 00:13:48.899 man, you can rethink that thing. So this, but really this comes 207 00:13:48.940 --> 00:13:52.100 from the higher ups. But the mobile unit, you know, there was 208 00:13:52.100 --> 00:13:54.059 a mobile unit, mobile ultrasound unit, like what we have here in Charlotte 209 00:13:54.059 --> 00:13:58.250 Park there and near the abortion center in a parking lot where they have permission 210 00:13:58.250 --> 00:14:01.490 from the business to be there illegal medical yeah, yeah, absolutely legal within 211 00:14:01.809 --> 00:14:05.370 the the boundaries of the stayathome order. You know, if the abortion clinic 212 00:14:07.129 --> 00:14:11.600 is a medical facility, and you know it's a medical facility because it has 213 00:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.720 medical staff and medical equipment. The mobile ultrasound units are as well. there. 214 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:20.440 There's medical staff, there's an urn or scenographer that's been trained, that 215 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.509 has a medical license under the state of North Carolina. There's medical equipment. 216 00:14:24.710 --> 00:14:30.230 You know, all they had and confidential always supply. They followed all the 217 00:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.710 Seenis Se resommendations to keep it nice and clean and yeah, but they were 218 00:14:33.789 --> 00:14:37.950 told that they had to leave, and so they had to. They had 219 00:14:37.990 --> 00:14:39.659 to pack up and leave where they would have gone to jail and maybe they 220 00:14:39.700 --> 00:14:43.340 would have towed away their mobile unit, I don't know. You know, 221 00:14:43.460 --> 00:14:48.940 so one one medical facility is told to leave, the other medical facility is 222 00:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.169 deemed essential. And what was the difference between the two? The message? 223 00:14:54.169 --> 00:14:56.809 Yeah, I mean that's exactly what it was. And you know, I'm 224 00:14:56.889 --> 00:15:00.649 again, I'm not a lawyer. We do have lawyers that were that we're 225 00:15:00.649 --> 00:15:03.049 dealing with from our end, and they love life does as well. But 226 00:15:03.210 --> 00:15:09.080 just on its face there's an obvious bias there. It seems to me that 227 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.799 with this, you know, public emergency, this, you know, emergency 228 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.919 designation. Right there were state of emergency. That's the terrible American for earlier. 229 00:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.629 The state of emergency designation has given people who, you know, who 230 00:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.909 are limited by the constitution, limited by other laws, to it's just given 231 00:15:26.950 --> 00:15:31.309 them free reign to just run all over people's rights, and that's that is 232 00:15:31.429 --> 00:15:33.710 not the way that it ought to be. Yet, based on fear and 233 00:15:33.789 --> 00:15:37.580 safety, which is don't fear and safe, and capitalizing on people's fears right 234 00:15:37.700 --> 00:15:43.419 and people's desire for safety, they're just pushing the constitution to the side and 235 00:15:43.539 --> 00:15:46.500 that's a grievous thing. Now, one of the things I do want to 236 00:15:46.539 --> 00:15:48.500 say, and this is this is something I said to you earlier, that 237 00:15:48.539 --> 00:15:52.730 I want folks that are listening to understand we as a ministry, our job 238 00:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.210 and are calling from the Lord, is not to fight the powers that be. 239 00:15:58.330 --> 00:16:00.769 It's not to, you know, put a stake in the ground and 240 00:16:02.169 --> 00:16:04.960 fight constitutional battles, even though we were in our mission statement. Does it's 241 00:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.679 anything about exactly exactly, although we do have a federal lawsuit against the city 242 00:16:08.679 --> 00:16:14.159 of Charlotte because of them infringing on our First Amendment Rights. It's not our 243 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.000 primary calling and we don't want to get wrapped up in it in anything else. 244 00:16:18.279 --> 00:16:19.269 We don't want to. We don't want to be in the lawsuit that 245 00:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.990 we're in right now. But there comes a point where your pressured by, 246 00:16:22.950 --> 00:16:26.509 you know, we're pressured by the city or by other government entities where you 247 00:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.830 can't just abide. Yeah, and another for folks that are asking, you 248 00:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.220 know, aren't we supposed to obey the law of the land? We talked 249 00:16:33.259 --> 00:16:38.779 about this some months ago in another podcast about civil disobedience and Romans chapter thirteen 250 00:16:38.820 --> 00:16:41.940 and all that stuff. And aren't we supposed to obey the law of the 251 00:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.700 land? Yes, we are supposed to obey the law of the land, 252 00:16:45.740 --> 00:16:48.809 but when the law of the land is in contradiction to the law of God, 253 00:16:51.409 --> 00:16:56.129 clearly lay down in scripture, we have to respectfully decline to obey when 254 00:16:56.169 --> 00:17:00.370 it yeah, yeah, yeah, when it's an obvious contradiction to God's word, 255 00:17:00.570 --> 00:17:04.000 which is true, but in this case we don't even need to worry 256 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:10.279 about that. Honestly, within the Statute itself, for the ordinance itself, 257 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.359 we are justified in being there. Yeah, and so, you know, 258 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.309 maybe can you just give us kind of a review or an overview of what 259 00:17:19.509 --> 00:17:30.940 the content of that stay at home order states that we see as being justification? 260 00:17:30.980 --> 00:17:33.900 Yeah, yeah, for us to be there, and then maybe, 261 00:17:33.940 --> 00:17:38.259 lady, we could even talk about how the lawyer also went over that with 262 00:17:38.339 --> 00:17:42.299 us and justify. Yes, those are so we have attorneys with the Thomas 263 00:17:42.380 --> 00:17:45.650 Moore Society that are helping us out with our federal case against the city for 264 00:17:47.690 --> 00:17:51.970 infringing upon our rights to use signage and given out literature and all that other 265 00:17:52.009 --> 00:17:53.849 stuff, and get into those details. But Anyway, they they've written for 266 00:17:53.930 --> 00:17:59.960 us a letter as they've gone through this stayathome order and they've given us a 267 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.799 letter that basically says, you know, you're in compliance because of this, 268 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.599 this and this and this. Right now, I don't know if I've already 269 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.960 said this, but I do want to make this clear that we are taking 270 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:12.630 the CDC recommendations very serious seriously. You know, we even have marks on 271 00:18:12.750 --> 00:18:17.750 the pavement. It might see good six feet almost expen the sidewalk. We're 272 00:18:17.789 --> 00:18:21.069 not high five and we're not hugging, we're not handshaken. We're being very 273 00:18:21.109 --> 00:18:25.349 intentional about being spread out Yep, we're sanitizing our hands after every interaction we 274 00:18:25.470 --> 00:18:27.700 have someone. If they stop and take our literature, you might say, 275 00:18:27.740 --> 00:18:32.740 well, you're passing out literature. That's that's not in accordance with the CDC 276 00:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.900 recommendation. As well, if you're going to a place to get drive through 277 00:18:36.980 --> 00:18:40.140 food and you're you're doing more than what we're doing and passing out of piece 278 00:18:40.220 --> 00:18:44.529 of information. Their handing you a bag of food exactly exactly. So, 279 00:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.089 I mean there's listen, we understand there are certain risk just being out in 280 00:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049 public. There's a certain risk that's involved and being exposed to this virus. 281 00:18:52.130 --> 00:18:55.690 We get it. But is the risk worth it? Like when you go 282 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.680 to the grocery store, you are, you are risking getting exposed or, 283 00:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.759 if you carry this thing and don't know what, exposing other people. But 284 00:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.759 is the reward, for lack of a better term, worth the risk? 285 00:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.519 Of course, you need groceries, right, you've got to do that. 286 00:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.309 Certain things you have to do. They are certain essential things. And so 287 00:19:12.789 --> 00:19:15.750 are we risking being on the sidewalk, even though we're spread out, even 288 00:19:15.789 --> 00:19:18.950 though we're sanitizing in your hands, even though we're doing all the things that 289 00:19:19.029 --> 00:19:22.710 we ought to be doing social distance, no more than ten people to all 290 00:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.099 of that. Is there risk? Yes, but is the reward, I 291 00:19:26.180 --> 00:19:29.740 guess, for lack of a better term, again, worth the risk? 292 00:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.259 Yes, because what is the reward? Well, it's just what you shared 293 00:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.420 earlier. Yeah, it's those babies get a voice and women who who would 294 00:19:37.779 --> 00:19:41.009 be back and forth in their mind and their heart about the abortion are getting 295 00:19:41.410 --> 00:19:45.089 a choice. Yeah, we're offering them a choice, we're offering them hope, 296 00:19:45.170 --> 00:19:48.210 we're offering them alternatives. Yeah, and the word of God. So, 297 00:19:48.569 --> 00:19:52.960 anyway, to jump into what the stayathome order says a little bit. 298 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.920 I think I've already mentioned it, and the where we kind of fit in 299 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.759 with this thing. You know that. It's yeah, you you not supposed 300 00:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.759 to be outlass is an essential thing. There's certain essential things that have been 301 00:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.599 laid out, but one of the things I did want to mention just right 302 00:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.910 away in this stay at home order it says prohibited activities. This is all 303 00:20:10.990 --> 00:20:15.430 public and private gatherings of more than ten people are prohibited. Right. So 304 00:20:15.509 --> 00:20:18.910 what does that tell me? Well, that tells me that want that public 305 00:20:18.029 --> 00:20:25.900 and private gatherings that are under ten ten people are under are not prohibited, 306 00:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.940 they're actually allowed. Yea. So we fit under that criteria and right, 307 00:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.259 no problem, because we have been intentional. Any there have been times where, 308 00:20:33.539 --> 00:20:37.089 you know, we've had more than ten people out on the side in 309 00:20:37.170 --> 00:20:38.450 our history, and you know in our history, yeah, yeah, but 310 00:20:38.609 --> 00:20:42.730 now, since this thing, since the CDC recommendations, we've been intentional about 311 00:20:42.769 --> 00:20:45.930 not having more than ten people. We have we tried to be very intentional 312 00:20:45.970 --> 00:20:51.480 about us and we were limited our teams to four or five people, and 313 00:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.839 that until people out there and if we've been sent some home or we've sent 314 00:20:53.960 --> 00:21:00.000 them elsewhere, so that we are definitely appliance there. Absolutely, so that 315 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.990 you know right away that's that's one of the things that I see. Another 316 00:21:06.109 --> 00:21:08.230 thing, and this is I'm not going to name out the sections and all 317 00:21:08.230 --> 00:21:11.549 this because I'm sure people aren't going to be looking through this, but another 318 00:21:11.589 --> 00:21:15.869 thing that talks about here it says that you can leave your home for essential 319 00:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.980 activities, and these are these permitted activities. I'll just read the titles for 320 00:21:19.299 --> 00:21:22.859 health and safety. So if you need to go to a doctor's appointment or 321 00:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.339 emergency situation, even for pets, by the way, if you need take 322 00:21:26.339 --> 00:21:29.900 your pet to the veterinarian. Right, you can do that under this order. 323 00:21:29.900 --> 00:21:33.210 Yeah, for necessary supplies and services. So basically you can go to 324 00:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.730 the store, you can go get food and get other things that are necessary 325 00:21:37.210 --> 00:21:40.769 for outdoor activity. That's one I think you mentioned earlier. Yeah, so 326 00:21:40.890 --> 00:21:44.650 you can engage in outdoor activities long as you social distance. So you can 327 00:21:44.690 --> 00:21:48.720 go and says out here, by way of example, and without limitation, 328 00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.759 walking, hiking, golfing, running, cycling, are using the green ways, 329 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.000 and so you can. You can go and says they can go into 330 00:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.000 parks, but just can't play on the park, the playground, on the 331 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.069 press playground. Yeah, because slid surfaces, apparently, can carry the virus 332 00:22:04.269 --> 00:22:11.069 longer. Yeah, that's the next part is for certain types of work. 333 00:22:11.269 --> 00:22:15.700 And here's where it talks about healthcare and public health operations, Human Services and 334 00:22:15.940 --> 00:22:19.819 all these other things. And and listen, we know if, let's if 335 00:22:19.859 --> 00:22:23.619 they're gonna DEEM THE ABORTION CLINICS TO FIT in this criteria, this is a 336 00:22:25.460 --> 00:22:30.450 public health organization or whatever, then the mobile unit, who serves the same 337 00:22:30.690 --> 00:22:33.009 clientele, yeah, fits in that category as well. And you know, 338 00:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.410 whether we buy extension or applied to that or not. In some people's minds. 339 00:22:37.450 --> 00:22:41.130 We believe that we are because we, you know, we're are teams, 340 00:22:41.170 --> 00:22:45.119 are operating alongside that mobile unit. And you you on, you go 341 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.799 on. Want to counseling board where required to be there as as the witness 342 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.000 yeah, I'm there needs to do to medical care. People on board there 343 00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:59.589 and that are counselors are the ones that are witnessing and and counseling with the 344 00:22:59.710 --> 00:23:03.710 resources. Yeah, yeah, and continueing on, you know what talks about, 345 00:23:03.109 --> 00:23:06.710 and this is in section three on if you have it on the air. 346 00:23:06.789 --> 00:23:08.430 But again, people aren't probably following along, and that's fine, you 347 00:23:08.470 --> 00:23:11.390 should. Probably shouldn't, because it's a bunch of some of it's a bunch 348 00:23:11.390 --> 00:23:17.660 of legally's stuff anyway. But it talks about repredictive reproductive health providers and of 349 00:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.380 course we know that's probably exempt. They are, example, from the state 350 00:23:21.420 --> 00:23:26.099 of exempt from the state productive healthcare providers. Yeah, okay, yeah, 351 00:23:26.140 --> 00:23:30.130 and you know that's stuck in there to let abortion clinic stay open, exactly. 352 00:23:30.170 --> 00:23:34.650 But but what's reproductive health? Of course, yeah, pregnancy is reproductive 353 00:23:34.809 --> 00:23:37.769 health. Yeah, pregnancy is normal, it's not a disease. And so 354 00:23:38.009 --> 00:23:47.319 that those who are helping to sustain that pregnancy and give the mom's resources and 355 00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.160 and medical assistance so that they can and continue on with a healthy pregnancy. 356 00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.390 Certainly fall under this category. Yeah, absolutely, and that's exactly but the 357 00:23:56.470 --> 00:24:00.430 RV, oh, yes, and that we so doubt about it. Yeah, 358 00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.710 again, they serve the same clientele as the abortion clinic does, except 359 00:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.190 for the goals are different. For the abortion clinic, obviously it's to make 360 00:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.700 money off of killing the child. For the mobile unit, it's not make 361 00:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.539 any money because they don't write. But all for free help to the woman 362 00:24:14.660 --> 00:24:18.220 so she doesn't feel like she has to go through with the abortion killed child, 363 00:24:18.380 --> 00:24:22.140 right, and also talks about human service operations. And this where it 364 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:26.289 talks not just about medical stuff, but it talks about social services and offering 365 00:24:26.410 --> 00:24:30.089 certain resources and things to meet their needs. And you know, we certainly 366 00:24:30.130 --> 00:24:33.210 fit right in that category. In this it talks about social services, it 367 00:24:33.289 --> 00:24:38.720 talks about shelters, homeless shelters and things like that. Talks about helping those 368 00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.119 who are at disadvantage, otherwise needy, is what it's economically disadvantaged individuals, 369 00:24:45.279 --> 00:24:51.039 and those are the bulk of the people who really they're there for an abortion 370 00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.430 and they are there and often choose life when they meet with us, because 371 00:24:56.990 --> 00:25:03.869 the services, the human services that we are offering are helping these economically disadvantaged 372 00:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.099 individuals. Yeah, so you know kind of what we're doing, guys, 373 00:25:07.099 --> 00:25:11.660 is you just going through this, this order, and we're saying that we're 374 00:25:11.660 --> 00:25:18.140 in compliance with this thing. This thing is laid out with some pretty clear 375 00:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.849 exceptions, some pretty clear definitions of what's essential, and the mobile unit certainly 376 00:25:22.849 --> 00:25:26.609 does. And then we as a ministry fit into this criteria. I mean 377 00:25:26.650 --> 00:25:30.809 we believe if the abortion clinic is open and it's considered an essential service, 378 00:25:30.970 --> 00:25:36.559 then for us to be there and offer those women a choice is also essential. 379 00:25:36.599 --> 00:25:37.920 Yeah, and you know, of course, that's from our perspective, 380 00:25:37.960 --> 00:25:42.359 but from the perspective of this stayathome order as it's laid out here, we 381 00:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.200 were essential. Exactly. Here's what goes on to say. It says, 382 00:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.670 and this is talking about essential businesses and operations, so it's naming out some 383 00:25:51.750 --> 00:25:56.430 essential businesses and operations and, and this is one of the categories. Of 384 00:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.869 course, it talks about groceries and medicine and food and beverage and agriculture. 385 00:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.900 When it says organizations that provide charitable and social services. M So it says, 386 00:26:04.940 --> 00:26:10.460 businesses and religious and secular nonprofit organizations, including food banks, when providing 387 00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:15.660 food, shelter and social services and other necessities of life for economically disadvantage or 388 00:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.650 otherwise needy individuals. I mean, that's exactly what do, what we do, 389 00:26:21.730 --> 00:26:23.130 because, you know, we plug these listen, we have a list 390 00:26:23.170 --> 00:26:27.170 of these services, we have a list of these food panchers. Yeah, 391 00:26:27.210 --> 00:26:33.039 but we also have our own ministry that we provide baby clothes and baby items, 392 00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.440 diapers and all those things. So any when people need those things in 393 00:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.119 the midst of a pandemic like this, right, and they very much doubt, 394 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.680 very much so. And and you know, we fit where charitable, 395 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.670 we're nonprofit. We provide the social necessity of life for needy individuals. Yeah, 396 00:26:49.750 --> 00:26:52.630 yeah, no doubt about it. And of course, again, we 397 00:26:52.750 --> 00:26:59.829 provide those babies of voice. So we're essential so that those babies that are 398 00:26:59.869 --> 00:27:03.900 in the womb, but also those women would would have a choice. Yeah, 399 00:27:03.940 --> 00:27:07.539 because otherwise the abortion clinic does not offer a choice. They're not going 400 00:27:07.579 --> 00:27:08.779 to help them, they're not going to help meet the needs that they have, 401 00:27:08.900 --> 00:27:12.579 they're not going to plug them into you know, organizations and ministries that 402 00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.490 can help meet their needs. You know, what is there for profit? 403 00:27:15.569 --> 00:27:21.210 There their business. Yeah, and, and I think a couple that came 404 00:27:21.369 --> 00:27:25.089 on on Saturday illustrates this point so well. There was one of them had 405 00:27:25.210 --> 00:27:30.079 had for abortion, yeah, and and what she talked about was that she 406 00:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.079 kept having abortion after abortion after abortion, because she would get the abortion, 407 00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:40.759 but the abortion center didn't provide the the services that she needed or the recommendations 408 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.549 or the resources or the anything that counseling, anything that might lead to her 409 00:27:45.710 --> 00:27:52.750 not ever returning for another abortion, for another abortion. But that's what we 410 00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:56.670 do, right, that's what we do so that they don't have to keep 411 00:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.900 coming back or feel that they have to keep coming back for abortion after abortion 412 00:28:00.980 --> 00:28:03.299 and abortion. But she specifically said, from the little ride up that you 413 00:28:03.339 --> 00:28:06.460 showed me, that, yeah, you know, if someone would have been 414 00:28:06.619 --> 00:28:08.420 here, yeah, saying what you guys were saying, an oftrom and what 415 00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.779 you guys were offering, that I likely wouldn't have gonement. You would have 416 00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:15.730 made another choice, she thought. And and that's why we're there. Yeah, 417 00:28:17.009 --> 00:28:19.650 again. What does that say? That that speaks to the essential nature 418 00:28:19.650 --> 00:28:25.609 of what we're doing. That's right, essential, if your mindset isn't that 419 00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:30.920 killing the baby is the way to deal with the struggles, yeah, that 420 00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.000 an unexpected pregnancy brings. Yeah, and and that mindset we categorically reject. 421 00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.349 We believe that that there is never a valid reason for taking an innocent human 422 00:28:41.470 --> 00:28:47.190 life and therefore that's why we're there, speaking from that perspective of and providing 423 00:28:47.230 --> 00:28:52.150 the resources that that is not deemed necessary. Yeah, absolutely, and, 424 00:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.099 you know, speaking to you, you mentioned and I mentioned, that we 425 00:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.259 had attorneys that were that we're dealing with with our federal lawsuit, but also 426 00:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.059 they've drafted up a letter for us. Yeah, as it pertains to this 427 00:29:03.339 --> 00:29:07.940 order. And you know, what we want to do is we want to, 428 00:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.089 as best we can, abide by any law, any order. We're 429 00:29:12.089 --> 00:29:17.170 not. Listen, as Christians, we shouldn't just be lawless individuals thinking the 430 00:29:17.210 --> 00:29:18.250 government can't tell me what to do. I know I shared with you, 431 00:29:18.369 --> 00:29:22.369 guess you know, on the on the coronavirus podcast, and I'm that kind 432 00:29:22.410 --> 00:29:23.839 of guy where I don't like the government telling me what to do. Stay 433 00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079 out of my business, I'll do what I want. But I'm also a 434 00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.039 guy that submitted to the word of God and another word of God tells me 435 00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.599 that I should submit to the government. But, as I mentioned earlier, 436 00:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.349 if the government tells me to disobey God, then at that point I can't 437 00:29:38.509 --> 00:29:42.230 obey that and you know, I can respectfully decline to obey that order. 438 00:29:42.750 --> 00:29:48.549 But the Bible tells us very clearly. Proverbs thirty one versus eight nine probably 439 00:29:48.589 --> 00:29:52.859 quoted. It most quoted scripture that we quote as a ministry. Open your 440 00:29:52.900 --> 00:29:56.980 mouth for the speeches, for think in the case of all who are appointed 441 00:29:56.019 --> 00:29:59.980 to die, open your mouth, judge righteously, plead the cause of the 442 00:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.259 pegnity. That is not a suggestion from God, that is a command from 443 00:30:03.299 --> 00:30:07.130 the Lord Right that we've taken very seriously as a ministry, which is why 444 00:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.609 we do what we do. That's a command from God. And just like 445 00:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.289 the Apostles John and and Peter when they were told by the Pharisees and the 446 00:30:15.410 --> 00:30:19.329 religious leaders of that day to stop speaking about the name of Jesus, they 447 00:30:19.369 --> 00:30:23.880 didn't just throw off and disregard the the leaders. They said we must have 448 00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.799 been I mean, you can just to me when I read that scripts. 449 00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.440 I can just hear the humility and Peter's Voice. We must obey God rather 450 00:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.480 than man, it's like we don't have a choice and when the government tells 451 00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.269 us we can't be out there. Yeah, and you know, thankfully they've 452 00:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.710 not told us that. Thankfully here in Charlotte, they've not said you can't 453 00:30:41.710 --> 00:30:45.029 be out here right they've just said and here's certain criteria and we meet those 454 00:30:45.069 --> 00:30:48.750 criteria and two. So we're out there. In Greensboro. It's not not 455 00:30:48.910 --> 00:30:52.740 like that, though. They've been told expressly you can't be out here right 456 00:30:52.740 --> 00:30:55.220 now. I'll watch one of the videos. Is got a funny I watch 457 00:30:55.299 --> 00:31:00.059 one of the videos of love life and in the midst of them being arrested 458 00:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.410 and you can see a bicycler walking his bike right by there and the police 459 00:31:03.410 --> 00:31:07.769 aren't saying anything to yeah, they're they're not doing anything more than he's doing. 460 00:31:08.009 --> 00:31:12.289 You know, they're at the same location. But it's basically they're targeted 461 00:31:12.410 --> 00:31:18.569 because they are known to be opposed to abortion. That's like, that's that's 462 00:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.799 scary. Yeah, scary stuff. Yeah, yeah, and so, you 463 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.960 know, as a as those who want to honor God and those who want 464 00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.319 to do what's right, what's it? You know, you know, I 465 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.109 want to ask you this question and I've asked myself this question. How's it 466 00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:37.309 going to be if they start to do that here in Charlotte, they start 467 00:31:37.349 --> 00:31:41.109 to say, Hey, R I guess can't be out here, even though 468 00:31:41.150 --> 00:31:44.589 we know we're in we're in accordance with this thing. We have lawyers that 469 00:31:44.670 --> 00:31:47.029 have looked at this thing. How's IT GOING TO BE? What do we 470 00:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.500 how we're going to handle this thing and we still honor God and remain out 471 00:31:49.539 --> 00:31:55.900 there? And I've honestly had quite a few sleepless nights wrestling with that and 472 00:31:56.059 --> 00:32:04.250 thinking about that, because my strong conviction, based on careful study of scripture, 473 00:32:04.930 --> 00:32:10.089 is that we are commanded to be there and I know I specifically have 474 00:32:10.329 --> 00:32:15.960 been called to be out on that sidewalk and I also know that I am 475 00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:22.279 abiding to the letter and even the spirit of of what is written in these 476 00:32:22.359 --> 00:32:30.269 stayathome ordinances. So I must obey God. Yeah, and how will that 477 00:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.230 play out? Will See, I guess you never know to you're in that 478 00:32:35.390 --> 00:32:37.390 situation. Yeah, I know. You know one of the concerns that I 479 00:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.789 have. You know the past. So this thing for us and Mecklenburg County 480 00:32:40.829 --> 00:32:45.140 came into effect Thursday of last week. Yeah, we have a state or 481 00:32:45.299 --> 00:32:49.019 order that I mentioned earlier, this is going to come into effect today at 482 00:32:49.059 --> 00:32:52.980 five, actually here in just a little bit, but get out of her 483 00:32:52.980 --> 00:32:58.650 quick yeah, but you know, with what happened in Greensborough, I'm hoping 484 00:32:58.690 --> 00:33:01.329 this is not going to embolden our local authorities. But also, you know, 485 00:33:01.450 --> 00:33:05.730 we have a city council that is not favorable to us. They've tried 486 00:33:05.769 --> 00:33:08.410 to attack, you know, every area of speech that we employ, right 487 00:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519 and there's been one of the city council leaders, Julie Eisolt here in Charlotte, 488 00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.000 that has been very vocal and said, you know, the police need 489 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.599 to shut this thing down. She was doing that last Saturday. She's, 490 00:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.000 you know, apparently good friends with some of the pro abortion people that stand 491 00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.440 out there and oppose us and and probably good friends with the abortion clinic owners 492 00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.109 and stuff too. And you know, I'm just I'm concerned that the pressure 493 00:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.029 that she's going to put is going to almost force the hand of cmpd to 494 00:33:34.670 --> 00:33:37.589 do something similar to what Greensboro did. Right, and you know, I 495 00:33:37.670 --> 00:33:39.470 have to ask myself. Listen, I'm a man with eight kids, a 496 00:33:39.670 --> 00:33:44.180 wife and kids, and yeah, I certainly don't want to be locked up, 497 00:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.660 I don't want to be. You know, I don't have the money 498 00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:51.740 just to throw away on lawyers and and legal fees and and pay in citations 499 00:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.180 or whatever. So how am I going to handle this thing? What, 500 00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.809 before God, how can i? How can I honor him and and do 501 00:34:00.009 --> 00:34:04.609 what I'm called to do and not get to jail? So we're doing our 502 00:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.690 best. We have carefully read the entire both of us have read the entire 503 00:34:07.690 --> 00:34:13.639 ordinance. We have spoken with their lawyers and our lawyers have drafted this letter 504 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:19.760 and we are abiding by what we believe is our civic duty, yeah, 505 00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.630 as well as our moral and God given duty. Yeah, yeah. So, 506 00:34:24.869 --> 00:34:29.550 so what did the lawyers say? Basically, what's what's the bottom line 507 00:34:29.550 --> 00:34:32.869 of their justification life? I mean, so the bottom line is some of 508 00:34:32.909 --> 00:34:37.070 the things that we've already gone through. Yeah, you know the reproductive health 509 00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:40.619 thing. You know the fact that if these reproductive health care, these abortion 510 00:34:40.659 --> 00:34:45.940 clinics can remain open, and what we're doing as a charitable you know, 511 00:34:45.019 --> 00:34:50.179 because there's a name about the organizations are provide charitable and social services. What 512 00:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.050 we're doing is we'll reach in the people that are going in there with these 513 00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:57.730 charitable and social services. They also mentioned which I'm very thankful for about how 514 00:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.809 we were there proclaiming the Gospel of Jesus Christ and advocating for life. And 515 00:35:00.889 --> 00:35:06.369 so they talk about the outdoor provision. You can be outdoors and you can 516 00:35:06.409 --> 00:35:10.519 do outdoor activities, outdoor activities like walking and running. That's what we're doing 517 00:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.800 on the sidewalk. We're walking. Yeah, not running, we're walking. 518 00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.960 Would just used to do that in front of the abortion Clin, that strip 519 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.280 a sidewalk there in front of the abortion Clin. In fact, I have 520 00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.550 a HEALTHAPP on my phone. Yeah, and Saturday while I was ministering to 521 00:35:24.909 --> 00:35:29.949 the women who stopped to talk with me, I put in five miles on 522 00:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.630 my wow, I know, amazing. So you're you're getting your outdoor activity. 523 00:35:32.670 --> 00:35:37.059 It's getting my outdoor activity while sharing the Gospel and, yeah, and 524 00:35:37.219 --> 00:35:39.300 the hope and help of many resources. Yeah, so, I mean that's 525 00:35:39.340 --> 00:35:43.019 what they're their siding. Course, they talk about the mobile unit and they 526 00:35:43.059 --> 00:35:49.539 talk about it offering rep productive healthcare. Then they talk about which I told 527 00:35:49.619 --> 00:35:52.090 them, you know, hey, listen, guys, we're checking all the 528 00:35:52.130 --> 00:35:53.610 boxes, we're doing all the CDC stuff, and they talked about that. 529 00:35:53.730 --> 00:35:58.730 How these these folks are abiding by these social distancing requirements. And so, 530 00:35:59.130 --> 00:36:01.130 you know, reason why I wanted to do this podcast really is to let 531 00:36:01.170 --> 00:36:05.760 folks know who might be concerned, and rightly so. You know, you 532 00:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.480 guys just being reckless? Are you just out there because you feel like you 533 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.079 got a bone to pick with the city of Charlotte? You feel like you 534 00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.280 know you're some social justice warrior that you know got to fight the powers that 535 00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.389 be? No, in no way. We're out there because those babies don't 536 00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.070 have a voice. We're out there because God calls us to be out there 537 00:36:22.469 --> 00:36:25.230 and we're doing everything that we can, shy of not being on the sidewalk, 538 00:36:25.309 --> 00:36:29.389 doing everything that we can, yeah, to not be a part of 539 00:36:29.630 --> 00:36:32.179 the problem of spreading this virus. We get it, it's a problem. 540 00:36:32.219 --> 00:36:37.940 We're not making light of it at all, but we also have a mandate 541 00:36:37.980 --> 00:36:43.019 from the Lord that we are committed to yeah, and before God, I 542 00:36:43.179 --> 00:36:46.329 can't good conscience, stay home right. I don't know if I don't believe 543 00:36:46.449 --> 00:36:50.650 we have talked about this on any of other other podcasts and I really think 544 00:36:50.690 --> 00:36:52.889 it. It's actually pretty funny, but I think it's important to talk about 545 00:36:53.170 --> 00:37:00.090 when we arrived at the sidewalk yeah, on Thursday morning's a wonderful site matter. 546 00:37:00.130 --> 00:37:02.719 Right. So we're coming, Daniel and I thinking, well, I 547 00:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000 told my husband, you may have to bail me out to this is when 548 00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.159 they say at home, orderhead. That's correct. There's them. That's correct. 549 00:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.119 So I said, I don't know what I'm going to do. I 550 00:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.230 won't know till I'm in this situation. Pretty sure Daniel's going to be in 551 00:37:15.230 --> 00:37:20.469 jail and I know going and I m I. So, you know, 552 00:37:20.670 --> 00:37:23.110 be prepared. You know you might be eating dinner alone. But so we 553 00:37:23.469 --> 00:37:27.349 come to the sidewalk and and what do we see? Yeah, so, 554 00:37:28.670 --> 00:37:30.659 as I told you, and I put it on Facebook, this is one 555 00:37:30.659 --> 00:37:32.340 of the most encouraging things I say in a long time. The pro abortion 556 00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.659 people had taken the liberty to ride on the sidewalk and name us in particular. 557 00:37:37.699 --> 00:37:40.820 See, for Al they named John Fifty three, which is the the 558 00:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.369 woman called an adultery, and it says, you know, Jesus said he's 559 00:37:45.409 --> 00:37:49.449 without seeing cast the first stone. And then it says they all went home, 560 00:37:49.650 --> 00:37:52.849 the exact first that they put said. Then they all went home and 561 00:37:52.929 --> 00:37:55.690 we kind of laughed with that's a pretty good bad and they all went home. 562 00:37:57.210 --> 00:37:59.039 Well, of course, if you read on in the context, it 563 00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.239 tells us Jesus didn't go home. He actually stayed in tall in the temple. 564 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.800 But another piece of their sidewalk art said Jesus would have stayed home. 565 00:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.280 Right, Jesus would have stayed home. And and of course, you know 566 00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.670 that brings to mind. The scripture tells us that he left his glorious abode 567 00:38:14.949 --> 00:38:16.869 to come to this place and he took on the form of a man. 568 00:38:16.909 --> 00:38:21.989 Yeah, so that he could save US wretches. You know, Jesus didn't 569 00:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.989 stay home, he left. That plays even three verses later. So John 570 00:38:25.110 --> 00:38:29.699 Eight versus one to two. It's right that the next verse, Uh Huh, 571 00:38:30.300 --> 00:38:35.940 but Jesus, but Jesus, but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 572 00:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.900 Uh Huh. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where 573 00:38:38.900 --> 00:38:44.050 all the people gathered around him and he sat down to teach them to yeah, 574 00:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010 Jesus didn't even go home. And what they say? Yeah, that's 575 00:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.289 and, which is really funny. But I said that's encouraging because they knew 576 00:38:52.010 --> 00:38:53.610 that, in spite of that order, that we would be out there. 577 00:38:53.650 --> 00:38:55.480 They were not there, by the way. They were not. They were 578 00:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.239 not not a thankfully they've not been. And actually, you know, I 579 00:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.639 don't know if I shared this with you, I'll share it now. Okay, 580 00:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.599 they put out on their social media that they plan on shutting down their 581 00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.760 operations completely until this thing passed. So you know what it's got. Yeah, 582 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.869 praise the Lord. I'm glad not to have him out there, but 583 00:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.829 I'm glad for the encouragement that they gave that we have established, you know, 584 00:39:15.909 --> 00:39:19.030 by God's grace, we've established our character in such a way that there 585 00:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.349 was no doubt in their mind right that we would be out there last sidewalk. 586 00:39:22.389 --> 00:39:24.739 They knew that as long as that abortion clinic was open, that cities 587 00:39:24.739 --> 00:39:28.260 for life, that our folks were going to be out there on that sidewalk. 588 00:39:28.300 --> 00:39:30.300 And you know about God's grace. That's what we intend to do again, 589 00:39:30.539 --> 00:39:34.579 not just to be lawless, not because we feel like we have this 590 00:39:34.659 --> 00:39:37.099 bone to pick with the city or we going to fight the powers that be. 591 00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:40.170 Our calling is not to fight the powers that be. Our calling is 592 00:39:40.250 --> 00:39:44.889 to submit to the power. That is how you like that? That's good. 593 00:39:45.010 --> 00:39:47.650 Yeah, and we submit to the Lord Jesus and to his rule and 594 00:39:47.730 --> 00:39:53.079 his reign because he's the Lord, because he is God, and we're not 595 00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.239 just going to say Lord, Lord, we're going to really do what he 596 00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.880 says. And what does he say? Take up our cross, follow him. 597 00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.400 What does he say? Love your neighbor as yourself. Whatever you've done 598 00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.269 the least of these, you've done it. Unto me. Yeah, proverbs 599 00:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.949 thirty one, eight nine, open your mouth for the speechless. That's what 600 00:40:12.190 --> 00:40:15.389 we intend to do, by God's great so I want to encourage you guys 601 00:40:15.429 --> 00:40:17.469 who are listening, please pray for us as a ministry. You know, 602 00:40:19.710 --> 00:40:23.260 listen, this is the difficult time for everybody. I do not envy the 603 00:40:23.940 --> 00:40:29.219 stuff that pastors have to deal with and making decisions about their congreg congregations not 604 00:40:29.340 --> 00:40:32.139 meeting. I don't envy what government officials the decisions they have to make. 605 00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:36.570 I don't envy the police department, some of those police officers that made the 606 00:40:36.730 --> 00:40:39.409 rest of our friends love life. I'm sure some of them were believers and 607 00:40:39.530 --> 00:40:43.369 probably didn't want to do that but felt like they had to. I don't 608 00:40:43.369 --> 00:40:47.329 envy their position at all. But we're all in a difficult position. We're 609 00:40:47.329 --> 00:40:51.639 all in a circumstance where we have to make difficult decisions, and so just 610 00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.440 pray for us as a ministry, if you think about it, because, 611 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.920 listen, babies are thought still dying. We're still called to be out there 612 00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.880 and listen, we're seeing. We saw four baby saved on Saturday, Saturday. 613 00:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.309 Yeah, God is doing amazing things in spite of this, and the 614 00:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.789 and Daddy. Evening after those four babies were saved, one of them I 615 00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:15.070 had the privilege of counseling on on the RV. Yeah, and that evening 616 00:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.500 I got a text from her. This was a woman who is strongly abortion 617 00:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.500 minded and and I got a text from her that evening that said, thank 618 00:41:23.539 --> 00:41:28.179 you for saving my child. Yeah, and I loved that she used the 619 00:41:28.260 --> 00:41:31.820 word child, because that humanized instantly. No longer was it just this clump. 620 00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:37.170 Yeah, this was her child and she was going to do anything from 621 00:41:37.170 --> 00:41:39.170 that point forward to protect that baby. And if we hadn't been there, 622 00:41:39.969 --> 00:41:44.690 that would be a very different to you. I'm story so amazing what the 623 00:41:44.730 --> 00:41:47.599 Lord will do if we just show her, show up and make ourselves available 624 00:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.559 to be used by him so he man be. Can pray for us as 625 00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.039 a ministry, as we always do. We want to refer you to our 626 00:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.880 sidewalks for life website sidewalks the number four and lifecom. Maybe we should do 627 00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.869 an article about serving God in the midst of a pandemic or some don't know, 628 00:42:01.949 --> 00:42:06.150 maybe we will. We put articles out on regular basis. Mostly Vicki 629 00:42:06.190 --> 00:42:08.070 writes those because she's a rider and it takes me like four months to write 630 00:42:08.110 --> 00:42:14.030 one sentence. But anyway. So when I refer you that website, certainly 631 00:42:14.030 --> 00:42:16.019 reach out to me. D Parks at cities for lifecom. Reach out to 632 00:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.980 Vicki, v COSSI OREGET CITIES FOR LIFECOM. We'd love to hear from some 633 00:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.420 of your feedback. Please share this podcast with your friends and family. But 634 00:42:22.539 --> 00:42:35.570 until next time, God bless give me our love for love, give me 635 00:42:36.329 --> 00:42:47.559 our loft for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's 636 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.320 too precious, and some that you