Pastors Arrested At An Abortion Center Under A Stay-at-Home Order

WEBVTT100:00:00.200 --> 00:00:04.599Our calling is not to fight thepowers would be our calling is to submit200:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.990to the power. That is,we submit to the Lord Jesus and to300:00:08.150 --> 00:00:14.189his rule and his reign, becausehe's the Lord. I Am Yours,400:00:14.589 --> 00:00:19.789I am yours. Welcome to theGospel Center pro life podcast. Some local500:00:19.829 --> 00:00:25.019pastures were arrested for praying outside anabortion clinic and violation of a stayathome order.600:00:25.460 --> 00:00:29.219Join Vicky and as we talked throughthis biblically and the impact that stay700:00:29.219 --> 00:00:32.740at home orders and other laws havehad on pro life ministry and me,800:00:33.060 --> 00:00:48.609Lord, I felt show Passish,touch your h use me love. Welcome900:00:48.649 --> 00:00:54.560to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We're here in an undisclosed location somewhere1000:00:54.600 --> 00:00:58.520inside the city of Charlotte, hunkereddown in the midst of a pandemic.1100:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.320Right. Not Trying to make lightof it. It's a it's a big1200:01:02.359 --> 00:01:04.950issue, this coronavirus thing that we'reall dealing with it. We're all dealing1300:01:04.989 --> 00:01:10.829with various aspects of it, variousaspects of way, the way that this1400:01:10.950 --> 00:01:14.909thing has affected our lives and how, you know, I guess, the1500:01:14.989 --> 00:01:21.299the repercussions of it and some ofthe decisions that local governments and the national1600:01:21.579 --> 00:01:26.060the federal government and state governments havemade in order to tamp down on this,1700:01:26.340 --> 00:01:27.980or, let's say tamped down,but in order to, I guess1800:01:27.980 --> 00:01:32.420it else, the spread of thisthis virus. How you listen, we1900:01:32.700 --> 00:01:36.010have to acknowledge, you know,there's conspiracy, theorists out there that think2000:01:36.090 --> 00:01:40.890that this has is really not true, that the hospitals are actually empty and2100:01:41.090 --> 00:01:44.409there's not people suffering from this.But we know that there are people suffering2200:01:44.450 --> 00:01:47.239from from this virus and we don'twant to make light of it, right,2300:01:48.840 --> 00:01:55.200but we do need to put itin perspective, and I'm not just2400:01:55.280 --> 00:01:57.359talking about economic perspective, but oneof the things that we're going to talk2500:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.030about today, the main focus whatwe're going to talk about today, is2600:02:02.310 --> 00:02:12.189the fact that abortion clinics remain openright, even though not essential medical services.2700:02:12.550 --> 00:02:15.860The federal government has said these thingsshould stop, right and you know,2800:02:16.219 --> 00:02:19.500local governments it said that. Youknow, they said that, I2900:02:19.659 --> 00:02:22.419think, here in Mecklenburg County,and the state has said that. All3000:02:22.419 --> 00:02:27.580right. Well, they've said thatall medical operations that are not necessary should3100:02:27.580 --> 00:02:30.930be postponed. Yeah, absolutely.I just talked to gather the other day.3200:02:30.969 --> 00:02:36.250He said his his mother's mother inlaw supposed to have brain cancer surgery.3300:02:36.490 --> 00:02:38.770Oh My, and that's been postponedfor two months. Wow, now,3400:02:39.569 --> 00:02:43.569I mean, I'm not a doctor, right, don't even play one3500:02:43.610 --> 00:02:47.439on TV. Yeah, but I'mthinking brain canswer surgery probably essential. You3600:02:47.639 --> 00:02:50.919with think, you know, yeah, and so you know. But we3700:02:51.039 --> 00:02:53.319just we just came from the abortionclinic here in Charlotte. How many abortion3800:02:53.360 --> 00:02:58.710patients were there? Mobbed? Atleast forty. Wow, probably amazing.3900:02:58.750 --> 00:03:05.030Say, yeah, it's it's hardto wrap your mind around how folks can4000:03:05.069 --> 00:03:09.349talk about you, non essential servicesbeing put off until you know, some4100:03:09.469 --> 00:03:15.659undefined time, and yet here theabortion clinic is full forty abortion patients.4200:03:15.659 --> 00:03:17.580And then we talk about social distancing. There's no way. And I don't4300:03:17.580 --> 00:03:20.659know. I know the other daythey were bringing them in and they were4400:03:20.740 --> 00:03:23.020making some of them sit out intheir cars and so so they didn't,4500:03:23.219 --> 00:03:25.659you know, have the building fullof people. Yeah, there are a4600:03:25.699 --> 00:03:28.849couple of days though, they hadat least thirty people there and they were4700:03:28.849 --> 00:03:30.969all inside of the buildings. Idon't know how it was to day.4800:03:30.129 --> 00:03:34.289Yeah, I think it was amix of both of those same but I'm4900:03:34.409 --> 00:03:38.370sure they there was no way thatthey were keeping the social distance. Yeah,5000:03:38.569 --> 00:03:40.680I mean we saw even as theylined up. There was like ten5100:03:40.800 --> 00:03:44.719and ten lined up as they openthe doors and they were all past.5200:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.080I mean they were right on eachother's backs. Yes, well, yeah,5300:03:47.120 --> 00:03:51.960it's crazy. So that's what we'regoing to be talking about gas and5400:03:52.000 --> 00:03:54.789if you're, you know, stirredup over just what little bit we've mentioned5500:03:54.830 --> 00:03:59.030thus far, you should be.Yeah, we you know, there's there's5600:03:59.069 --> 00:04:02.389a phony outrage that goes around insociety and people get out raised over things5700:04:02.430 --> 00:04:05.870they're not really outraged over. Youknow, I'm I don't even like the5800:04:05.909 --> 00:04:11.780word outrage, but I'm outraged withabortion in general. So, I mean,5900:04:12.340 --> 00:04:16.100obviously, full disclosure, I thinkabortion clinics should be shut down because6000:04:16.100 --> 00:04:20.259they killed children. Right, hadreally nothing to do with the coronavirus.6100:04:20.339 --> 00:04:24.220Yeah, it should be shut downbecause they're killing children. Yeah, my6200:04:24.610 --> 00:04:28.529my opinion, and I believe inthe scriptures opinion, God's opinion. Yeah,6300:04:28.930 --> 00:04:30.810but they're people who, you know, think that abortion is a good6400:04:30.930 --> 00:04:34.730thing and, you know, abortionclinic should remain open, and yet they're6500:04:34.850 --> 00:04:40.920talking about this social distancing. Wetalked about this in our coronavirus podcast where6600:04:40.959 --> 00:04:46.800we talked about the hypocrisy about bodilyautonomy, and yet now the government is6700:04:46.879 --> 00:04:48.720able to take away your bodily autonomyas long as it affects another person.6800:04:48.839 --> 00:04:54.110So you have people who are prochoice or complaining about, you know,6900:04:54.230 --> 00:04:58.790people spreading this virus. They shouldbe complaining about the fact that there's a7000:04:58.910 --> 00:05:02.670building with forty people that have cometo that place that are having a non7100:05:02.870 --> 00:05:13.620essential elective surgical procedure or medical procedureright being potentially exposed and exposing others to7200:05:14.139 --> 00:05:17.779this virus. Yeah, yeah,absolutely, it's a they should be outraged,7300:05:17.899 --> 00:05:21.850but of course they're not, becausethey think abortion is is an essential7400:05:21.970 --> 00:05:27.449thing and it's their precious little jewelthat they want to protect at all costs7500:05:27.569 --> 00:05:30.930and even expand. I mean it'sbecoming an excuse like that. I have7600:05:31.089 --> 00:05:35.839heard that there is talk of tryingto get rid of the height amendment and7700:05:36.120 --> 00:05:42.199have public funding of abortion, becausethe coronavirus has made it so difficult for7800:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.000these women who have now lost theirjob, yes, to be able to7900:05:45.040 --> 00:05:48.920get their abortion right. So sothere should be taxpayer funding, yeah,8000:05:49.110 --> 00:05:55.029of abortion. It's crazy it becausewe've seen over the past couple of weeks,8100:05:55.350 --> 00:05:59.509since this coronavirus scare and all this, we've seen an increase in people8200:05:59.550 --> 00:06:01.430coming for aboords. All My yess, yeah, yeah, and it's like,8300:06:02.069 --> 00:06:05.699okay, so this, this isramped up, have an abortions and8400:06:05.779 --> 00:06:08.819all that. And course you haveto ask yourself why, and I think8500:06:08.819 --> 00:06:12.980we know it because fear. We'veencountered people now, a couple of different8600:06:13.019 --> 00:06:16.699people, who've told US specifically they'rethere for an abortion right because of the8700:06:16.819 --> 00:06:20.209coronavirus. They lost their job andthen this that. So of course we8800:06:20.290 --> 00:06:26.009get that and that's why it's evenmore essential that we are there. Exactly8900:06:26.569 --> 00:06:30.889because in all the the cases overthe past few days, since the stay9000:06:30.889 --> 00:06:34.879at home order, especially when peoplehave come over and talked with us,9100:06:34.920 --> 00:06:41.480and it's very evident that their decisionto abort is being fueled by fear that9200:06:41.600 --> 00:06:45.959has been brought on by the coronavirus. And in the three cases that come9300:06:46.000 --> 00:06:49.910immediately to my mind, all threeof them really did not want an abortion,9400:06:50.269 --> 00:06:54.709really did not. And as soonas we were able to take away9500:06:54.790 --> 00:06:58.149that element of fear and talk aboutthe hope and help that was available and9600:06:58.310 --> 00:07:01.300talk with them about the truth ofGod that all three of them chose life.9700:07:01.300 --> 00:07:04.100Yeah, yeah, it's amazing.The story from today that you share9800:07:04.139 --> 00:07:08.740with me. A couple from acountry, I guess we write and another9900:07:08.860 --> 00:07:12.939country, from another country and goodways away, had some issues that they're10000:07:12.939 --> 00:07:15.009dealing with. She didn't want tohave an abortion at all, but felt10100:07:15.050 --> 00:07:18.649like there's just no way in themidst of all this. And, of10200:07:18.769 --> 00:07:21.730course, you know, you wereable to offer them resources that they helped10300:07:21.810 --> 00:07:25.490them. Yeah, and they hadno idea and if we hadn't been there10400:07:25.529 --> 00:07:29.009again at just zeroed out, theythere. She was already in there,10500:07:29.050 --> 00:07:31.560the abortionist had arrived, she wasin there for the abortion and the husband10600:07:31.600 --> 00:07:34.639came over to talk to me andI told him what we could offer,10700:07:34.720 --> 00:07:39.759all legitimate things, by the way, that they already have availed themselves of.10800:07:40.040 --> 00:07:43.680Yeah, as soon as we offeredthem, we made good. We10900:07:44.509 --> 00:07:47.790got the people necessary to follow throughon those resources. Yes, you say11000:07:47.790 --> 00:07:51.230they already have availed themselves of likethey've already been plugged into the researchers.11100:07:51.269 --> 00:07:56.550They're absolutely. Yeah, absolutely,and they immediately went from the abortion clinic,11200:07:56.709 --> 00:08:00.339chose life, went from the abortionclinic to the other resources and things11300:08:00.379 --> 00:08:03.819that connect. That's right. Andin fact the the husband, said would11400:08:03.860 --> 00:08:05.259you be able to do? Itold him what we could do. Said11500:08:05.300 --> 00:08:09.379can you do this now? Yeah, and I said yes, yeah,11600:08:09.660 --> 00:08:15.810and we did, and that's God. God, God a shared and and11700:08:16.009 --> 00:08:20.610provides. But but the the overarchingpoint is that this was a woman who11800:08:20.610 --> 00:08:26.680actually wanted the baby, but shewas absolutely adamantly set on abortion because she11900:08:26.839 --> 00:08:31.240did not see her own way outof this mess. But we did.12000:08:31.519 --> 00:08:33.080And Yeah, I did, andif we hadn't been there, that baby12100:08:33.120 --> 00:08:37.559would be dead. Yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I guess12200:08:37.720 --> 00:08:41.389spring boards right into what we're talkingabout in this podcast, which is something12300:08:41.470 --> 00:08:45.710we're dealing with locally. You know, I've I've had a few people reach12400:08:45.830 --> 00:08:48.629out to me in light of thestate at home order that's been issued by12500:08:48.710 --> 00:08:52.110Mecklenburg County. And you guys,you know, across the nation you probably12600:08:52.149 --> 00:08:56.019dealing with this their states that haveenacted stay at home or orders or shelter12700:08:56.179 --> 00:09:00.500in place orders, and there's differentlevels of that, and I won't get12800:09:00.500 --> 00:09:01.860into all of that because I don'tknow all the INS and outs of that,12900:09:03.460 --> 00:09:05.740but there are people who are dealingwith this in their city and their13000:09:05.740 --> 00:09:07.179people are dealing with is this andtheir state, and so you know I'm13100:09:07.179 --> 00:09:11.289talking about when talking about stay athome order, and in ours here in13200:09:11.370 --> 00:09:16.049Mecklenburg County was basically stay at homeunless you're part of an essential service or13300:09:16.850 --> 00:09:22.129you are a support company or whateverfor an essential service, or you need13400:09:22.169 --> 00:09:26.919to walk your dog or you needto walk your dog or go kayaking or13500:09:26.200 --> 00:09:31.519bicycling to there are certain exceptions here, but you know, we're dealing with13600:09:31.559 --> 00:09:35.559that here in Mecklemburg County. It'sin place for thirty days, yeah,13700:09:35.559 --> 00:09:41.509if I'm not mistaken, and thentoday actually at five o'clock and we're recording13800:09:41.549 --> 00:09:45.230this on a Monday. This isthe thirty of March that we recording this.13900:09:46.590 --> 00:09:50.149They're supposed to be a statewide thankthat's have some of the same language14000:09:50.149 --> 00:09:52.299as the Mecklenburg County one. Anyway, I've gotten people that have asked me14100:09:52.539 --> 00:09:56.539and, you know, even well, meeting people, some believers, they're14200:09:56.580 --> 00:09:58.820like, why you guys? Didn'tyou know? Why you guys not abiding14300:09:58.860 --> 00:10:03.019by this stay at home order?Yeah, you guys are breaking the law,14400:10:03.659 --> 00:10:07.250you guys are violating this thing andyou guys are potentially exposing yourself and14500:10:07.330 --> 00:10:11.529exposing to other others to this virusand you're potentially part of the problem.14600:10:11.570 --> 00:10:15.250Yeah, and I think it's alegitimate concern for people. Listen, there's14700:10:15.289 --> 00:10:18.929there's a lot of concern. There'sa lot of people that are afraid they're14800:10:18.929 --> 00:10:20.929going to, you know, notjust that they're going to get this thing,14900:10:20.169 --> 00:10:22.480but we should be concerned as Christiansthat we're not a part of the15000:10:22.519 --> 00:10:26.159problem, that we're not spreading thisthis virus us around. I don't want15100:10:26.200 --> 00:10:30.000someone that I'm in contact with,you know, I have you know,15200:10:30.000 --> 00:10:31.480if I had this this virus,had it in my body, which,15300:10:31.679 --> 00:10:35.389by God's grace, I don't,but if I did and I expose an15400:10:35.470 --> 00:10:39.669older person to it, I wouldfeel horrible. If I was just being15500:10:39.750 --> 00:10:41.470haphazard. I mean some things youcan't help, but if I'm just going15600:10:41.549 --> 00:10:46.269out and being recklessly, you know, exposed to this thing and exposing myself15700:10:46.389 --> 00:10:48.549to the situations that that I don'tneed to, then that would be an15800:10:48.590 --> 00:10:52.220issue. Yeah, but here's thething. We're not doing that right.15900:10:52.299 --> 00:10:54.620You know, we have friends also, you know, I'm told you I16000:10:54.659 --> 00:10:58.059wanted to mention our friends with lovelife, Charlotte, our love life.16100:10:58.179 --> 00:11:01.419Now they're, you know, allover the country, there here in Charlotte,16200:11:01.419 --> 00:11:05.970Greensboro, Raleigh and then now inNew York City, and they're doing16300:11:05.049 --> 00:11:09.409prayer walks and that's there. Oneof their primary focus is bringing the church16400:11:09.450 --> 00:11:11.210out to the abortion clinics to doprayer walks. And they were out there16500:11:11.490 --> 00:11:16.809this past Saturday and there their ministrywas in Greensboro, North Carolina, and16600:11:18.009 --> 00:11:22.840they're doing a prayer walk and thepolice came out because Greensboro does have a16700:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.600stay at home order and under theyou know, authority, I guess,16800:11:26.159 --> 00:11:28.200of the stay at home order,they told him they had to leave,16900:11:28.759 --> 00:11:33.149so they did. The prayer walkersand the people who were there that morning17000:11:33.230 --> 00:11:35.909left, but justin a good friendof mine who we had on the podcast17100:11:37.230 --> 00:11:41.830some months ago went as the founderthat ministry to see what was up and,17200:11:41.429 --> 00:11:43.870you know, we believe, andthey believe, that they had good17300:11:46.070 --> 00:11:48.059standing to be out there. Thereare certain provisions, and we'll talk about17400:11:48.059 --> 00:11:52.980those in a little bit, wherewe stand on these things exactly and in17500:11:52.179 --> 00:11:54.539certain you know, we're not justkind of pulling the stuff out of the17600:11:54.620 --> 00:11:58.059dark, out of the air.We have lawyers that we've talked to we've17700:11:58.179 --> 00:12:03.889read through the orders. We allsixteen pages exactly, and we want to17800:12:03.009 --> 00:12:05.730be in you know, we wantto be in compliance. We're not just17900:12:05.970 --> 00:12:09.090reckless. They you know, ourfriends would love life. They're not just18000:12:09.210 --> 00:12:11.250reckless just to go out there anddo what we want. We understand these18100:12:11.330 --> 00:12:16.000are difficult times, these are extenuatingcircumstances and there's things that we maybe could18200:12:16.000 --> 00:12:20.000have done a two months ago thatwe can't do now, you know.18300:12:20.720 --> 00:12:22.679But anyway, so our friends,they went out there. That Justin and18400:12:22.879 --> 00:12:26.240a couple of the other guys wentout there and ultimately they were arrested.18500:12:26.480 --> 00:12:31.110They were they were arrested and andthey were booked and and then, you18600:12:31.190 --> 00:12:35.470know, let go and the police. Some of you guys, if you18700:12:35.509 --> 00:12:37.470want to check, probably Google searchit pretty easily, but you can see18800:12:37.470 --> 00:12:41.389the facebook live that they were recordingat the time. The police did not18900:12:41.509 --> 00:12:45.100want to have a conversation with themabout the what they were even out there19000:12:45.179 --> 00:12:46.659for. They didn't want to havea conversation about, you know, their19100:12:46.700 --> 00:12:50.659legal ground that they were standing onto be out there, and they just19200:12:50.779 --> 00:12:54.659sits there. Yeah, there wasn't. They had the order, they had19300:12:54.740 --> 00:12:58.340the orders and the paperwork in handeverything to show them, and the the19400:12:58.419 --> 00:13:01.850police officers did not want to seeit at not these that we're past that19500:13:01.929 --> 00:13:05.409point. Yeah, as either leaveryou're going to jail. So anyway.19600:13:05.450 --> 00:13:11.450And then Monday today actually, whenrecording this podcast, a group of pastors,19700:13:11.490 --> 00:13:15.919along with some of the folks fromlove life, went back out there19800:13:16.000 --> 00:13:20.840again to pray. They were justfive of them and and actually the order19900:13:20.919 --> 00:13:22.120says you can't have a group ofmore than ten, so they were,20000:13:22.480 --> 00:13:26.950you know, half of that,and again they took them to jail.20100:13:26.990 --> 00:13:31.509Yeah, they also another thing thatreally just was like wow, how can20200:13:31.549 --> 00:13:33.750they even justify this at all?And you know, we listen, we20300:13:33.909 --> 00:13:37.429honor the police, we appreciate allthat they do. It's you know,20400:13:37.909 --> 00:13:41.820there are police officers to make decisionsthat are that are very difficult, and20500:13:43.019 --> 00:13:46.059we get that. But also policeofficers make decisions that like come on,20600:13:46.299 --> 00:13:48.899man, you can rethink that thing. So this, but really this comes20700:13:48.940 --> 00:13:52.100from the higher ups. But themobile unit, you know, there was20800:13:52.100 --> 00:13:54.059a mobile unit, mobile ultrasound unit, like what we have here in Charlotte20900:13:54.059 --> 00:13:58.250Park there and near the abortion centerin a parking lot where they have permission21000:13:58.250 --> 00:14:01.490from the business to be there illegalmedical yeah, yeah, absolutely legal within21100:14:01.809 --> 00:14:05.370the the boundaries of the stayathome order. You know, if the abortion clinic21200:14:07.129 --> 00:14:11.600is a medical facility, and youknow it's a medical facility because it has21300:14:11.639 --> 00:14:15.720medical staff and medical equipment. Themobile ultrasound units are as well. there.21400:14:15.879 --> 00:14:20.440There's medical staff, there's an urnor scenographer that's been trained, that21500:14:20.519 --> 00:14:24.509has a medical license under the stateof North Carolina. There's medical equipment.21600:14:24.710 --> 00:14:30.230You know, all they had andconfidential always supply. They followed all the21700:14:30.309 --> 00:14:33.710Seenis Se resommendations to keep it niceand clean and yeah, but they were21800:14:33.789 --> 00:14:37.950told that they had to leave,and so they had to. They had21900:14:37.990 --> 00:14:39.659to pack up and leave where theywould have gone to jail and maybe they22000:14:39.700 --> 00:14:43.340would have towed away their mobile unit, I don't know. You know,22100:14:43.460 --> 00:14:48.940so one one medical facility is toldto leave, the other medical facility is22200:14:48.419 --> 00:14:54.169deemed essential. And what was thedifference between the two? The message?22300:14:54.169 --> 00:14:56.809Yeah, I mean that's exactly whatit was. And you know, I'm22400:14:56.889 --> 00:15:00.649again, I'm not a lawyer.We do have lawyers that were that we're22500:15:00.649 --> 00:15:03.049dealing with from our end, andthey love life does as well. But22600:15:03.210 --> 00:15:09.080just on its face there's an obviousbias there. It seems to me that22700:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.799with this, you know, publicemergency, this, you know, emergency22800:15:13.960 --> 00:15:16.919designation. Right there were state ofemergency. That's the terrible American for earlier.22900:15:18.039 --> 00:15:22.629The state of emergency designation has givenpeople who, you know, who23000:15:22.629 --> 00:15:26.909are limited by the constitution, limitedby other laws, to it's just given23100:15:26.950 --> 00:15:31.309them free reign to just run allover people's rights, and that's that is23200:15:31.429 --> 00:15:33.710not the way that it ought tobe. Yet, based on fear and23300:15:33.789 --> 00:15:37.580safety, which is don't fear andsafe, and capitalizing on people's fears right23400:15:37.700 --> 00:15:43.419and people's desire for safety, they'rejust pushing the constitution to the side and23500:15:43.539 --> 00:15:46.500that's a grievous thing. Now,one of the things I do want to23600:15:46.539 --> 00:15:48.500say, and this is this issomething I said to you earlier, that23700:15:48.539 --> 00:15:52.730I want folks that are listening tounderstand we as a ministry, our job23800:15:54.450 --> 00:15:58.210and are calling from the Lord,is not to fight the powers that be.23900:15:58.330 --> 00:16:00.769It's not to, you know,put a stake in the ground and24000:16:02.169 --> 00:16:04.960fight constitutional battles, even though wewere in our mission statement. Does it's24100:16:06.039 --> 00:16:08.679anything about exactly exactly, although wedo have a federal lawsuit against the city24200:16:08.679 --> 00:16:14.159of Charlotte because of them infringing onour First Amendment Rights. It's not our24300:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.000primary calling and we don't want toget wrapped up in it in anything else.24400:16:18.279 --> 00:16:19.269We don't want to. We don'twant to be in the lawsuit that24500:16:19.309 --> 00:16:22.990we're in right now. But therecomes a point where your pressured by,24600:16:22.950 --> 00:16:26.509you know, we're pressured by thecity or by other government entities where you24700:16:26.950 --> 00:16:30.830can't just abide. Yeah, andanother for folks that are asking, you24800:16:30.909 --> 00:16:33.220know, aren't we supposed to obeythe law of the land? We talked24900:16:33.259 --> 00:16:38.779about this some months ago in anotherpodcast about civil disobedience and Romans chapter thirteen25000:16:38.820 --> 00:16:41.940and all that stuff. And aren'twe supposed to obey the law of the25100:16:41.980 --> 00:16:45.700land? Yes, we are supposedto obey the law of the land,25200:16:45.740 --> 00:16:48.809but when the law of the landis in contradiction to the law of God,25300:16:51.409 --> 00:16:56.129clearly lay down in scripture, wehave to respectfully decline to obey when25400:16:56.169 --> 00:17:00.370it yeah, yeah, yeah,when it's an obvious contradiction to God's word,25500:17:00.570 --> 00:17:04.000which is true, but in thiscase we don't even need to worry25600:17:04.039 --> 00:17:10.279about that. Honestly, within theStatute itself, for the ordinance itself,25700:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.359we are justified in being there.Yeah, and so, you know,25800:17:15.480 --> 00:17:19.309maybe can you just give us kindof a review or an overview of what25900:17:19.509 --> 00:17:30.940the content of that stay at homeorder states that we see as being justification?26000:17:30.980 --> 00:17:33.900Yeah, yeah, for us tobe there, and then maybe,26100:17:33.940 --> 00:17:38.259lady, we could even talk abouthow the lawyer also went over that with26200:17:38.339 --> 00:17:42.299us and justify. Yes, thoseare so we have attorneys with the Thomas26300:17:42.380 --> 00:17:45.650Moore Society that are helping us outwith our federal case against the city for26400:17:47.690 --> 00:17:51.970infringing upon our rights to use signageand given out literature and all that other26500:17:52.009 --> 00:17:53.849stuff, and get into those details. But Anyway, they they've written for26600:17:53.930 --> 00:17:59.960us a letter as they've gone throughthis stayathome order and they've given us a26700:18:00.000 --> 00:18:03.799letter that basically says, you know, you're in compliance because of this,26800:18:03.880 --> 00:18:06.599this and this and this. Rightnow, I don't know if I've already26900:18:06.599 --> 00:18:07.960said this, but I do wantto make this clear that we are taking27000:18:08.039 --> 00:18:12.630the CDC recommendations very serious seriously.You know, we even have marks on27100:18:12.750 --> 00:18:17.750the pavement. It might see goodsix feet almost expen the sidewalk. We're27200:18:17.789 --> 00:18:21.069not high five and we're not hugging, we're not handshaken. We're being very27300:18:21.109 --> 00:18:25.349intentional about being spread out Yep,we're sanitizing our hands after every interaction we27400:18:25.470 --> 00:18:27.700have someone. If they stop andtake our literature, you might say,27500:18:27.740 --> 00:18:32.740well, you're passing out literature.That's that's not in accordance with the CDC27600:18:32.940 --> 00:18:36.900recommendation. As well, if you'regoing to a place to get drive through27700:18:36.980 --> 00:18:40.140food and you're you're doing more thanwhat we're doing and passing out of piece27800:18:40.220 --> 00:18:44.529of information. Their handing you abag of food exactly exactly. So,27900:18:44.650 --> 00:18:48.089I mean there's listen, we understandthere are certain risk just being out in28000:18:48.250 --> 00:18:52.049public. There's a certain risk that'sinvolved and being exposed to this virus.28100:18:52.130 --> 00:18:55.690We get it. But is therisk worth it? Like when you go28200:18:55.759 --> 00:18:59.680to the grocery store, you are, you are risking getting exposed or,28300:18:59.720 --> 00:19:02.759if you carry this thing and don'tknow what, exposing other people. But28400:19:03.200 --> 00:19:06.759is the reward, for lack ofa better term, worth the risk?28500:19:06.880 --> 00:19:08.519Of course, you need groceries,right, you've got to do that.28600:19:08.720 --> 00:19:12.309Certain things you have to do.They are certain essential things. And so28700:19:12.789 --> 00:19:15.750are we risking being on the sidewalk, even though we're spread out, even28800:19:15.789 --> 00:19:18.950though we're sanitizing in your hands,even though we're doing all the things that28900:19:19.029 --> 00:19:22.710we ought to be doing social distance, no more than ten people to all29000:19:22.750 --> 00:19:26.099of that. Is there risk?Yes, but is the reward, I29100:19:26.180 --> 00:19:29.740guess, for lack of a betterterm, again, worth the risk?29200:19:30.019 --> 00:19:33.259Yes, because what is the reward? Well, it's just what you shared29300:19:33.259 --> 00:19:37.420earlier. Yeah, it's those babiesget a voice and women who who would29400:19:37.779 --> 00:19:41.009be back and forth in their mindand their heart about the abortion are getting29500:19:41.410 --> 00:19:45.089a choice. Yeah, we're offeringthem a choice, we're offering them hope,29600:19:45.170 --> 00:19:48.210we're offering them alternatives. Yeah,and the word of God. So,29700:19:48.569 --> 00:19:52.960anyway, to jump into what thestayathome order says a little bit.29800:19:52.960 --> 00:19:56.920I think I've already mentioned it,and the where we kind of fit in29900:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.759with this thing. You know that. It's yeah, you you not supposed30000:19:59.759 --> 00:20:02.759to be outlass is an essential thing. There's certain essential things that have been30100:20:02.759 --> 00:20:06.599laid out, but one of thethings I did want to mention just right30200:20:06.680 --> 00:20:10.910away in this stay at home orderit says prohibited activities. This is all30300:20:10.990 --> 00:20:15.430public and private gatherings of more thanten people are prohibited. Right. So30400:20:15.509 --> 00:20:18.910what does that tell me? Well, that tells me that want that public30500:20:18.029 --> 00:20:25.900and private gatherings that are under tenten people are under are not prohibited,30600:20:26.099 --> 00:20:29.940they're actually allowed. Yea. Sowe fit under that criteria and right,30700:20:30.059 --> 00:20:33.259no problem, because we have beenintentional. Any there have been times where,30800:20:33.539 --> 00:20:37.089you know, we've had more thanten people out on the side in30900:20:37.170 --> 00:20:38.450our history, and you know inour history, yeah, yeah, but31000:20:38.609 --> 00:20:42.730now, since this thing, sincethe CDC recommendations, we've been intentional about31100:20:42.769 --> 00:20:45.930not having more than ten people.We have we tried to be very intentional31200:20:45.970 --> 00:20:51.480about us and we were limited ourteams to four or five people, and31300:20:51.599 --> 00:20:53.839that until people out there and ifwe've been sent some home or we've sent31400:20:53.960 --> 00:21:00.000them elsewhere, so that we aredefinitely appliance there. Absolutely, so that31500:21:00.119 --> 00:21:04.990you know right away that's that's oneof the things that I see. Another31600:21:06.109 --> 00:21:08.230thing, and this is I'm notgoing to name out the sections and all31700:21:08.230 --> 00:21:11.549this because I'm sure people aren't goingto be looking through this, but another31800:21:11.589 --> 00:21:15.869thing that talks about here it saysthat you can leave your home for essential31900:21:15.910 --> 00:21:18.980activities, and these are these permittedactivities. I'll just read the titles for32000:21:19.299 --> 00:21:22.859health and safety. So if youneed to go to a doctor's appointment or32100:21:22.859 --> 00:21:26.339emergency situation, even for pets,by the way, if you need take32200:21:26.339 --> 00:21:29.900your pet to the veterinarian. Right, you can do that under this order.32300:21:29.900 --> 00:21:33.210Yeah, for necessary supplies and services. So basically you can go to32400:21:33.289 --> 00:21:36.730the store, you can go getfood and get other things that are necessary32500:21:37.210 --> 00:21:40.769for outdoor activity. That's one Ithink you mentioned earlier. Yeah, so32600:21:40.890 --> 00:21:44.650you can engage in outdoor activities longas you social distance. So you can32700:21:44.690 --> 00:21:48.720go and says out here, byway of example, and without limitation,32800:21:48.960 --> 00:21:52.759walking, hiking, golfing, running, cycling, are using the green ways,32900:21:53.599 --> 00:21:56.000and so you can. You cango and says they can go into33000:21:56.039 --> 00:22:00.000parks, but just can't play onthe park, the playground, on the33100:22:00.039 --> 00:22:04.069press playground. Yeah, because slidsurfaces, apparently, can carry the virus33200:22:04.269 --> 00:22:11.069longer. Yeah, that's the nextpart is for certain types of work.33300:22:11.269 --> 00:22:15.700And here's where it talks about healthcareand public health operations, Human Services and33400:22:15.940 --> 00:22:19.819all these other things. And andlisten, we know if, let's if33500:22:19.859 --> 00:22:23.619they're gonna DEEM THE ABORTION CLINICS TOFIT in this criteria, this is a33600:22:25.460 --> 00:22:30.450public health organization or whatever, thenthe mobile unit, who serves the same33700:22:30.690 --> 00:22:33.009clientele, yeah, fits in thatcategory as well. And you know,33800:22:33.450 --> 00:22:37.410whether we buy extension or applied tothat or not. In some people's minds.33900:22:37.450 --> 00:22:41.130We believe that we are because we, you know, we're are teams,34000:22:41.170 --> 00:22:45.119are operating alongside that mobile unit.And you you on, you go34100:22:45.240 --> 00:22:48.799on. Want to counseling board whererequired to be there as as the witness34200:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.000yeah, I'm there needs to doto medical care. People on board there34300:22:53.079 --> 00:22:59.589and that are counselors are the onesthat are witnessing and and counseling with the34400:22:59.710 --> 00:23:03.710resources. Yeah, yeah, andcontinueing on, you know what talks about,34500:23:03.109 --> 00:23:06.710and this is in section three onif you have it on the air.34600:23:06.789 --> 00:23:08.430But again, people aren't probably followingalong, and that's fine, you34700:23:08.470 --> 00:23:11.390should. Probably shouldn't, because it'sa bunch of some of it's a bunch34800:23:11.390 --> 00:23:17.660of legally's stuff anyway. But ittalks about repredictive reproductive health providers and of34900:23:17.740 --> 00:23:21.380course we know that's probably exempt.They are, example, from the state35000:23:21.420 --> 00:23:26.099of exempt from the state productive healthcareproviders. Yeah, okay, yeah,35100:23:26.140 --> 00:23:30.130and you know that's stuck in thereto let abortion clinic stay open, exactly.35200:23:30.170 --> 00:23:34.650But but what's reproductive health? Ofcourse, yeah, pregnancy is reproductive35300:23:34.809 --> 00:23:37.769health. Yeah, pregnancy is normal, it's not a disease. And so35400:23:38.009 --> 00:23:47.319that those who are helping to sustainthat pregnancy and give the mom's resources and35500:23:47.400 --> 00:23:52.160and medical assistance so that they canand continue on with a healthy pregnancy.35600:23:52.640 --> 00:23:56.390Certainly fall under this category. Yeah, absolutely, and that's exactly but the35700:23:56.470 --> 00:24:00.430RV, oh, yes, andthat we so doubt about it. Yeah,35800:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.710again, they serve the same clienteleas the abortion clinic does, except35900:24:03.750 --> 00:24:07.190for the goals are different. Forthe abortion clinic, obviously it's to make36000:24:07.269 --> 00:24:10.700money off of killing the child.For the mobile unit, it's not make36100:24:10.740 --> 00:24:14.539any money because they don't write.But all for free help to the woman36200:24:14.660 --> 00:24:18.220so she doesn't feel like she hasto go through with the abortion killed child,36300:24:18.380 --> 00:24:22.140right, and also talks about humanservice operations. And this where it36400:24:22.220 --> 00:24:26.289talks not just about medical stuff,but it talks about social services and offering36500:24:26.410 --> 00:24:30.089certain resources and things to meet theirneeds. And you know, we certainly36600:24:30.130 --> 00:24:33.210fit right in that category. Inthis it talks about social services, it36700:24:33.289 --> 00:24:38.720talks about shelters, homeless shelters andthings like that. Talks about helping those36800:24:38.799 --> 00:24:45.119who are at disadvantage, otherwise needy, is what it's economically disadvantaged individuals,36900:24:45.279 --> 00:24:51.039and those are the bulk of thepeople who really they're there for an abortion37000:24:51.240 --> 00:24:56.430and they are there and often chooselife when they meet with us, because37100:24:56.990 --> 00:25:03.869the services, the human services thatwe are offering are helping these economically disadvantaged37200:25:03.910 --> 00:25:07.099individuals. Yeah, so you knowkind of what we're doing, guys,37300:25:07.099 --> 00:25:11.660is you just going through this,this order, and we're saying that we're37400:25:11.660 --> 00:25:18.140in compliance with this thing. Thisthing is laid out with some pretty clear37500:25:18.420 --> 00:25:22.849exceptions, some pretty clear definitions ofwhat's essential, and the mobile unit certainly37600:25:22.849 --> 00:25:26.609does. And then we as aministry fit into this criteria. I mean37700:25:26.650 --> 00:25:30.809we believe if the abortion clinic isopen and it's considered an essential service,37800:25:30.970 --> 00:25:36.559then for us to be there andoffer those women a choice is also essential.37900:25:36.599 --> 00:25:37.920Yeah, and you know, ofcourse, that's from our perspective,38000:25:37.960 --> 00:25:42.359but from the perspective of this stayathomeorder as it's laid out here, we38100:25:42.839 --> 00:25:47.200were essential. Exactly. Here's whatgoes on to say. It says,38200:25:47.960 --> 00:25:51.670and this is talking about essential businessesand operations, so it's naming out some38300:25:51.750 --> 00:25:56.430essential businesses and operations and, andthis is one of the categories. Of38400:25:56.509 --> 00:26:00.869course, it talks about groceries andmedicine and food and beverage and agriculture.38500:26:00.109 --> 00:26:04.900When it says organizations that provide charitableand social services. M So it says,38600:26:04.940 --> 00:26:10.460businesses and religious and secular nonprofit organizations, including food banks, when providing38700:26:10.500 --> 00:26:15.660food, shelter and social services andother necessities of life for economically disadvantage or38800:26:15.700 --> 00:26:19.650otherwise needy individuals. I mean,that's exactly what do, what we do,38900:26:21.730 --> 00:26:23.130because, you know, we plugthese listen, we have a list39000:26:23.170 --> 00:26:27.170of these services, we have alist of these food panchers. Yeah,39100:26:27.210 --> 00:26:33.039but we also have our own ministrythat we provide baby clothes and baby items,39200:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.440diapers and all those things. Soany when people need those things in39300:26:36.519 --> 00:26:40.119the midst of a pandemic like this, right, and they very much doubt,39400:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.680very much so. And and youknow, we fit where charitable,39500:26:42.960 --> 00:26:49.670we're nonprofit. We provide the socialnecessity of life for needy individuals. Yeah,39600:26:49.750 --> 00:26:52.630yeah, no doubt about it.And of course, again, we39700:26:52.750 --> 00:26:59.829provide those babies of voice. Sowe're essential so that those babies that are39800:26:59.869 --> 00:27:03.900in the womb, but also thosewomen would would have a choice. Yeah,39900:27:03.940 --> 00:27:07.539because otherwise the abortion clinic does notoffer a choice. They're not going40000:27:07.579 --> 00:27:08.779to help them, they're not goingto help meet the needs that they have,40100:27:08.900 --> 00:27:12.579they're not going to plug them intoyou know, organizations and ministries that40200:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.490can help meet their needs. Youknow, what is there for profit?40300:27:15.569 --> 00:27:21.210There their business. Yeah, and, and I think a couple that came40400:27:21.369 --> 00:27:25.089on on Saturday illustrates this point sowell. There was one of them had40500:27:25.210 --> 00:27:30.079had for abortion, yeah, andand what she talked about was that she40600:27:30.599 --> 00:27:33.079kept having abortion after abortion after abortion, because she would get the abortion,40700:27:33.480 --> 00:27:40.759but the abortion center didn't provide thethe services that she needed or the recommendations40800:27:40.799 --> 00:27:45.549or the resources or the anything thatcounseling, anything that might lead to her40900:27:45.710 --> 00:27:52.750not ever returning for another abortion,for another abortion. But that's what we41000:27:52.109 --> 00:27:56.670do, right, that's what wedo so that they don't have to keep41100:27:56.750 --> 00:28:00.900coming back or feel that they haveto keep coming back for abortion after abortion41200:28:00.980 --> 00:28:03.299and abortion. But she specifically said, from the little ride up that you41300:28:03.339 --> 00:28:06.460showed me, that, yeah,you know, if someone would have been41400:28:06.619 --> 00:28:08.420here, yeah, saying what youguys were saying, an oftrom and what41500:28:08.500 --> 00:28:11.779you guys were offering, that Ilikely wouldn't have gonement. You would have41600:28:11.859 --> 00:28:15.730made another choice, she thought.And and that's why we're there. Yeah,41700:28:17.009 --> 00:28:19.650again. What does that say?That that speaks to the essential nature41800:28:19.650 --> 00:28:25.609of what we're doing. That's right, essential, if your mindset isn't that41900:28:26.410 --> 00:28:30.920killing the baby is the way todeal with the struggles, yeah, that42000:28:30.079 --> 00:28:37.000an unexpected pregnancy brings. Yeah,and and that mindset we categorically reject.42100:28:37.279 --> 00:28:41.349We believe that that there is nevera valid reason for taking an innocent human42200:28:41.470 --> 00:28:47.190life and therefore that's why we're there, speaking from that perspective of and providing42300:28:47.230 --> 00:28:52.150the resources that that is not deemednecessary. Yeah, absolutely, and,42400:28:52.269 --> 00:28:56.099you know, speaking to you,you mentioned and I mentioned, that we42500:28:56.180 --> 00:29:00.259had attorneys that were that we're dealingwith with our federal lawsuit, but also42600:29:00.299 --> 00:29:03.059they've drafted up a letter for us. Yeah, as it pertains to this42700:29:03.339 --> 00:29:07.940order. And you know, whatwe want to do is we want to,42800:29:08.099 --> 00:29:12.089as best we can, abide byany law, any order. We're42900:29:12.089 --> 00:29:17.170not. Listen, as Christians,we shouldn't just be lawless individuals thinking the43000:29:17.210 --> 00:29:18.250government can't tell me what to do. I know I shared with you,43100:29:18.369 --> 00:29:22.369guess you know, on the onthe coronavirus podcast, and I'm that kind43200:29:22.410 --> 00:29:23.839of guy where I don't like thegovernment telling me what to do. Stay43300:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.079out of my business, I'll dowhat I want. But I'm also a43400:29:27.119 --> 00:29:30.039guy that submitted to the word ofGod and another word of God tells me43500:29:30.400 --> 00:29:33.599that I should submit to the government. But, as I mentioned earlier,43600:29:33.640 --> 00:29:38.349if the government tells me to disobeyGod, then at that point I can't43700:29:38.509 --> 00:29:42.230obey that and you know, Ican respectfully decline to obey that order.43800:29:42.750 --> 00:29:48.549But the Bible tells us very clearly. Proverbs thirty one versus eight nine probably43900:29:48.589 --> 00:29:52.859quoted. It most quoted scripture thatwe quote as a ministry. Open your44000:29:52.900 --> 00:29:56.980mouth for the speeches, for thinkin the case of all who are appointed44100:29:56.019 --> 00:29:59.980to die, open your mouth,judge righteously, plead the cause of the44200:30:00.019 --> 00:30:03.259pegnity. That is not a suggestionfrom God, that is a command from44300:30:03.299 --> 00:30:07.130the Lord Right that we've taken veryseriously as a ministry, which is why44400:30:07.130 --> 00:30:11.609we do what we do. That'sa command from God. And just like44500:30:11.730 --> 00:30:15.289the Apostles John and and Peter whenthey were told by the Pharisees and the44600:30:15.410 --> 00:30:19.329religious leaders of that day to stopspeaking about the name of Jesus, they44700:30:19.369 --> 00:30:23.880didn't just throw off and disregard thethe leaders. They said we must have44800:30:25.000 --> 00:30:26.799been I mean, you can justto me when I read that scripts.44900:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.440I can just hear the humility andPeter's Voice. We must obey God rather45000:30:30.519 --> 00:30:33.480than man, it's like we don'thave a choice and when the government tells45100:30:33.519 --> 00:30:37.269us we can't be out there.Yeah, and you know, thankfully they've45200:30:37.349 --> 00:30:41.710not told us that. Thankfully herein Charlotte, they've not said you can't45300:30:41.710 --> 00:30:45.029be out here right they've just saidand here's certain criteria and we meet those45400:30:45.069 --> 00:30:48.750criteria and two. So we're outthere. In Greensboro. It's not not45500:30:48.910 --> 00:30:52.740like that, though. They've beentold expressly you can't be out here right45600:30:52.740 --> 00:30:55.220now. I'll watch one of thevideos. Is got a funny I watch45700:30:55.299 --> 00:31:00.059one of the videos of love lifeand in the midst of them being arrested45800:31:00.140 --> 00:31:03.410and you can see a bicycler walkinghis bike right by there and the police45900:31:03.410 --> 00:31:07.769aren't saying anything to yeah, they'rethey're not doing anything more than he's doing.46000:31:08.009 --> 00:31:12.289You know, they're at the samelocation. But it's basically they're targeted46100:31:12.410 --> 00:31:18.569because they are known to be opposedto abortion. That's like, that's that's46200:31:18.799 --> 00:31:22.799scary. Yeah, scary stuff.Yeah, yeah, and so, you46300:31:22.920 --> 00:31:26.960know, as a as those whowant to honor God and those who want46400:31:26.000 --> 00:31:30.319to do what's right, what's it? You know, you know, I46500:31:30.400 --> 00:31:34.109want to ask you this question andI've asked myself this question. How's it46600:31:34.230 --> 00:31:37.309going to be if they start todo that here in Charlotte, they start46700:31:37.349 --> 00:31:41.109to say, Hey, R Iguess can't be out here, even though46800:31:41.150 --> 00:31:44.589we know we're in we're in accordancewith this thing. We have lawyers that46900:31:44.670 --> 00:31:47.029have looked at this thing. How'sIT GOING TO BE? What do we47000:31:47.220 --> 00:31:49.500how we're going to handle this thingand we still honor God and remain out47100:31:49.539 --> 00:31:55.900there? And I've honestly had quitea few sleepless nights wrestling with that and47200:31:56.059 --> 00:32:04.250thinking about that, because my strongconviction, based on careful study of scripture,47300:32:04.930 --> 00:32:10.089is that we are commanded to bethere and I know I specifically have47400:32:10.329 --> 00:32:15.960been called to be out on thatsidewalk and I also know that I am47500:32:15.000 --> 00:32:22.279abiding to the letter and even thespirit of of what is written in these47600:32:22.359 --> 00:32:30.269stayathome ordinances. So I must obeyGod. Yeah, and how will that47700:32:30.430 --> 00:32:35.230play out? Will See, Iguess you never know to you're in that47800:32:35.390 --> 00:32:37.390situation. Yeah, I know.You know one of the concerns that I47900:32:37.470 --> 00:32:40.789have. You know the past.So this thing for us and Mecklenburg County48000:32:40.829 --> 00:32:45.140came into effect Thursday of last week. Yeah, we have a state or48100:32:45.299 --> 00:32:49.019order that I mentioned earlier, thisis going to come into effect today at48200:32:49.059 --> 00:32:52.980five, actually here in just alittle bit, but get out of her48300:32:52.980 --> 00:32:58.650quick yeah, but you know,with what happened in Greensborough, I'm hoping48400:32:58.690 --> 00:33:01.329this is not going to embolden ourlocal authorities. But also, you know,48500:33:01.450 --> 00:33:05.730we have a city council that isnot favorable to us. They've tried48600:33:05.769 --> 00:33:08.410to attack, you know, everyarea of speech that we employ, right48700:33:08.569 --> 00:33:13.519and there's been one of the citycouncil leaders, Julie Eisolt here in Charlotte,48800:33:13.759 --> 00:33:15.000that has been very vocal and said, you know, the police need48900:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.599to shut this thing down. Shewas doing that last Saturday. She's,49000:33:17.880 --> 00:33:22.000you know, apparently good friends withsome of the pro abortion people that stand49100:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.440out there and oppose us and andprobably good friends with the abortion clinic owners49200:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.109and stuff too. And you know, I'm just I'm concerned that the pressure49300:33:30.150 --> 00:33:34.029that she's going to put is goingto almost force the hand of cmpd to49400:33:34.670 --> 00:33:37.589do something similar to what Greensboro did. Right, and you know, I49500:33:37.670 --> 00:33:39.470have to ask myself. Listen,I'm a man with eight kids, a49600:33:39.670 --> 00:33:44.180wife and kids, and yeah,I certainly don't want to be locked up,49700:33:44.220 --> 00:33:45.660I don't want to be. Youknow, I don't have the money49800:33:45.819 --> 00:33:51.740just to throw away on lawyers andand legal fees and and pay in citations49900:33:51.819 --> 00:33:53.180or whatever. So how am Igoing to handle this thing? What,50000:33:53.500 --> 00:33:59.809before God, how can i?How can I honor him and and do50100:34:00.009 --> 00:34:04.609what I'm called to do and notget to jail? So we're doing our50200:34:04.650 --> 00:34:07.690best. We have carefully read theentire both of us have read the entire50300:34:07.690 --> 00:34:13.639ordinance. We have spoken with theirlawyers and our lawyers have drafted this letter50400:34:13.840 --> 00:34:19.760and we are abiding by what webelieve is our civic duty, yeah,50500:34:19.840 --> 00:34:24.630as well as our moral and Godgiven duty. Yeah, yeah. So,50600:34:24.869 --> 00:34:29.550so what did the lawyers say?Basically, what's what's the bottom line50700:34:29.550 --> 00:34:32.869of their justification life? I mean, so the bottom line is some of50800:34:32.909 --> 00:34:37.070the things that we've already gone through. Yeah, you know the reproductive health50900:34:37.389 --> 00:34:40.619thing. You know the fact thatif these reproductive health care, these abortion51000:34:40.659 --> 00:34:45.940clinics can remain open, and whatwe're doing as a charitable you know,51100:34:45.019 --> 00:34:50.179because there's a name about the organizationsare provide charitable and social services. What51200:34:50.340 --> 00:34:52.050we're doing is we'll reach in thepeople that are going in there with these51300:34:52.210 --> 00:34:57.730charitable and social services. They alsomentioned which I'm very thankful for about how51400:34:57.849 --> 00:35:00.809we were there proclaiming the Gospel ofJesus Christ and advocating for life. And51500:35:00.889 --> 00:35:06.369so they talk about the outdoor provision. You can be outdoors and you can51600:35:06.409 --> 00:35:10.519do outdoor activities, outdoor activities likewalking and running. That's what we're doing51700:35:10.599 --> 00:35:14.800on the sidewalk. We're walking.Yeah, not running, we're walking.51800:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.960Would just used to do that infront of the abortion Clin, that strip51900:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.280a sidewalk there in front of theabortion Clin. In fact, I have52000:35:20.440 --> 00:35:24.550a HEALTHAPP on my phone. Yeah, and Saturday while I was ministering to52100:35:24.909 --> 00:35:29.949the women who stopped to talk withme, I put in five miles on52200:35:30.070 --> 00:35:32.630my wow, I know, amazing. So you're you're getting your outdoor activity.52300:35:32.670 --> 00:35:37.059It's getting my outdoor activity while sharingthe Gospel and, yeah, and52400:35:37.219 --> 00:35:39.300the hope and help of many resources. Yeah, so, I mean that's52500:35:39.340 --> 00:35:43.019what they're their siding. Course,they talk about the mobile unit and they52600:35:43.059 --> 00:35:49.539talk about it offering rep productive healthcare. Then they talk about which I told52700:35:49.619 --> 00:35:52.090them, you know, hey,listen, guys, we're checking all the52800:35:52.130 --> 00:35:53.610boxes, we're doing all the CDCstuff, and they talked about that.52900:35:53.730 --> 00:35:58.730How these these folks are abiding bythese social distancing requirements. And so,53000:35:59.130 --> 00:36:01.130you know, reason why I wantedto do this podcast really is to let53100:36:01.170 --> 00:36:05.760folks know who might be concerned,and rightly so. You know, you53200:36:05.800 --> 00:36:07.480guys just being reckless? Are youjust out there because you feel like you53300:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.079got a bone to pick with thecity of Charlotte? You feel like you53400:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.280know you're some social justice warrior thatyou know got to fight the powers that53500:36:15.400 --> 00:36:19.389be? No, in no way. We're out there because those babies don't53600:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.070have a voice. We're out therebecause God calls us to be out there53700:36:22.469 --> 00:36:25.230and we're doing everything that we can, shy of not being on the sidewalk,53800:36:25.309 --> 00:36:29.389doing everything that we can, yeah, to not be a part of53900:36:29.630 --> 00:36:32.179the problem of spreading this virus.We get it, it's a problem.54000:36:32.219 --> 00:36:37.940We're not making light of it atall, but we also have a mandate54100:36:37.980 --> 00:36:43.019from the Lord that we are committedto yeah, and before God, I54200:36:43.179 --> 00:36:46.329can't good conscience, stay home right. I don't know if I don't believe54300:36:46.449 --> 00:36:50.650we have talked about this on anyof other other podcasts and I really think54400:36:50.690 --> 00:36:52.889it. It's actually pretty funny,but I think it's important to talk about54500:36:53.170 --> 00:37:00.090when we arrived at the sidewalk yeah, on Thursday morning's a wonderful site matter.54600:37:00.130 --> 00:37:02.719Right. So we're coming, Danieland I thinking, well, I54700:37:04.079 --> 00:37:07.000told my husband, you may haveto bail me out to this is when54800:37:07.039 --> 00:37:09.159they say at home, orderhead.That's correct. There's them. That's correct.54900:37:09.159 --> 00:37:12.119So I said, I don't knowwhat I'm going to do. I55000:37:12.159 --> 00:37:15.230won't know till I'm in this situation. Pretty sure Daniel's going to be in55100:37:15.230 --> 00:37:20.469jail and I know going and Im I. So, you know,55200:37:20.670 --> 00:37:23.110be prepared. You know you mightbe eating dinner alone. But so we55300:37:23.469 --> 00:37:27.349come to the sidewalk and and whatdo we see? Yeah, so,55400:37:28.670 --> 00:37:30.659as I told you, and Iput it on Facebook, this is one55500:37:30.659 --> 00:37:32.340of the most encouraging things I sayin a long time. The pro abortion55600:37:32.380 --> 00:37:37.659people had taken the liberty to rideon the sidewalk and name us in particular.55700:37:37.699 --> 00:37:40.820See, for Al they named JohnFifty three, which is the the55800:37:40.900 --> 00:37:45.369woman called an adultery, and itsays, you know, Jesus said he's55900:37:45.409 --> 00:37:49.449without seeing cast the first stone.And then it says they all went home,56000:37:49.650 --> 00:37:52.849the exact first that they put said. Then they all went home and56100:37:52.929 --> 00:37:55.690we kind of laughed with that's apretty good bad and they all went home.56200:37:57.210 --> 00:37:59.039Well, of course, if youread on in the context, it56300:37:59.119 --> 00:38:01.239tells us Jesus didn't go home.He actually stayed in tall in the temple.56400:38:01.480 --> 00:38:06.800But another piece of their sidewalk artsaid Jesus would have stayed home.56500:38:06.920 --> 00:38:08.280Right, Jesus would have stayed home. And and of course, you know56600:38:08.360 --> 00:38:14.670that brings to mind. The scripturetells us that he left his glorious abode56700:38:14.949 --> 00:38:16.869to come to this place and hetook on the form of a man.56800:38:16.909 --> 00:38:21.989Yeah, so that he could saveUS wretches. You know, Jesus didn't56900:38:22.070 --> 00:38:24.989stay home, he left. Thatplays even three verses later. So John57000:38:25.110 --> 00:38:29.699Eight versus one to two. It'sright that the next verse, Uh Huh,57100:38:30.300 --> 00:38:35.940but Jesus, but Jesus, butJesus went to the Mount of Olives.57200:38:35.980 --> 00:38:38.900Uh Huh. At dawn he appearedagain in the temple courts, where57300:38:38.900 --> 00:38:44.050all the people gathered around him andhe sat down to teach them to yeah,57400:38:44.050 --> 00:38:46.010Jesus didn't even go home. Andwhat they say? Yeah, that's57500:38:46.130 --> 00:38:51.289and, which is really funny.But I said that's encouraging because they knew57600:38:52.010 --> 00:38:53.610that, in spite of that order, that we would be out there.57700:38:53.650 --> 00:38:55.480They were not there, by theway. They were not. They were57800:38:55.559 --> 00:38:59.239not not a thankfully they've not been. And actually, you know, I57900:38:59.280 --> 00:39:00.639don't know if I shared this withyou, I'll share it now. Okay,58000:39:01.119 --> 00:39:05.599they put out on their social mediathat they plan on shutting down their58100:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.760operations completely until this thing passed.So you know what it's got. Yeah,58200:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.869praise the Lord. I'm glad notto have him out there, but58300:39:10.949 --> 00:39:15.829I'm glad for the encouragement that theygave that we have established, you know,58400:39:15.909 --> 00:39:19.030by God's grace, we've established ourcharacter in such a way that there58500:39:19.110 --> 00:39:22.349was no doubt in their mind rightthat we would be out there last sidewalk.58600:39:22.389 --> 00:39:24.739They knew that as long as thatabortion clinic was open, that cities58700:39:24.739 --> 00:39:28.260for life, that our folks weregoing to be out there on that sidewalk.58800:39:28.300 --> 00:39:30.300And you know about God's grace.That's what we intend to do again,58900:39:30.539 --> 00:39:34.579not just to be lawless, notbecause we feel like we have this59000:39:34.659 --> 00:39:37.099bone to pick with the city orwe going to fight the powers that be.59100:39:37.500 --> 00:39:40.170Our calling is not to fight thepowers that be. Our calling is59200:39:40.250 --> 00:39:44.889to submit to the power. Thatis how you like that? That's good.59300:39:45.010 --> 00:39:47.650Yeah, and we submit to theLord Jesus and to his rule and59400:39:47.730 --> 00:39:53.079his reign because he's the Lord,because he is God, and we're not59500:39:53.199 --> 00:39:57.239just going to say Lord, Lord, we're going to really do what he59600:39:57.280 --> 00:40:00.880says. And what does he say? Take up our cross, follow him.59700:40:00.599 --> 00:40:05.400What does he say? Love yourneighbor as yourself. Whatever you've done59800:40:05.400 --> 00:40:07.269the least of these, you've doneit. Unto me. Yeah, proverbs59900:40:07.349 --> 00:40:10.949thirty one, eight nine, openyour mouth for the speechless. That's what60000:40:12.190 --> 00:40:15.389we intend to do, by God'sgreat so I want to encourage you guys60100:40:15.429 --> 00:40:17.469who are listening, please pray forus as a ministry. You know,60200:40:19.710 --> 00:40:23.260listen, this is the difficult timefor everybody. I do not envy the60300:40:23.940 --> 00:40:29.219stuff that pastors have to deal withand making decisions about their congreg congregations not60400:40:29.340 --> 00:40:32.139meeting. I don't envy what governmentofficials the decisions they have to make.60500:40:32.500 --> 00:40:36.570I don't envy the police department,some of those police officers that made the60600:40:36.730 --> 00:40:39.409rest of our friends love life.I'm sure some of them were believers and60700:40:39.530 --> 00:40:43.369probably didn't want to do that butfelt like they had to. I don't60800:40:43.369 --> 00:40:47.329envy their position at all. Butwe're all in a difficult position. We're60900:40:47.329 --> 00:40:51.639all in a circumstance where we haveto make difficult decisions, and so just61000:40:51.760 --> 00:40:53.440pray for us as a ministry,if you think about it, because,61100:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.920listen, babies are thought still dying. We're still called to be out there61200:40:59.079 --> 00:41:01.880and listen, we're seeing. Wesaw four baby saved on Saturday, Saturday.61300:41:01.920 --> 00:41:06.309Yeah, God is doing amazing thingsin spite of this, and the61400:41:06.429 --> 00:41:09.789and Daddy. Evening after those fourbabies were saved, one of them I61500:41:09.869 --> 00:41:15.070had the privilege of counseling on onthe RV. Yeah, and that evening61600:41:15.190 --> 00:41:19.500I got a text from her.This was a woman who is strongly abortion61700:41:19.619 --> 00:41:23.500minded and and I got a textfrom her that evening that said, thank61800:41:23.539 --> 00:41:28.179you for saving my child. Yeah, and I loved that she used the61900:41:28.260 --> 00:41:31.820word child, because that humanized instantly. No longer was it just this clump.62000:41:31.860 --> 00:41:37.170Yeah, this was her child andshe was going to do anything from62100:41:37.170 --> 00:41:39.170that point forward to protect that baby. And if we hadn't been there,62200:41:39.969 --> 00:41:44.690that would be a very different toyou. I'm story so amazing what the62300:41:44.730 --> 00:41:47.599Lord will do if we just showher, show up and make ourselves available62400:41:47.639 --> 00:41:51.559to be used by him so heman be. Can pray for us as62500:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.039a ministry, as we always do. We want to refer you to our62600:41:54.079 --> 00:41:58.880sidewalks for life website sidewalks the numberfour and lifecom. Maybe we should do62700:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.869an article about serving God in themidst of a pandemic or some don't know,62800:42:01.949 --> 00:42:06.150maybe we will. We put articlesout on regular basis. Mostly Vicki62900:42:06.190 --> 00:42:08.070writes those because she's a rider andit takes me like four months to write63000:42:08.110 --> 00:42:14.030one sentence. But anyway. Sowhen I refer you that website, certainly63100:42:14.030 --> 00:42:16.019reach out to me. D Parksat cities for lifecom. Reach out to63200:42:16.019 --> 00:42:19.980Vicki, v COSSI OREGET CITIES FORLIFECOM. We'd love to hear from some63300:42:20.059 --> 00:42:22.420of your feedback. Please share thispodcast with your friends and family. But63400:42:22.539 --> 00:42:35.570until next time, God bless giveme our love for love, give me63500:42:36.329 --> 00:42:47.559our loft for gratitude. I knowit will cost me my life. Nothing's63600:42:47.719 --> 00:42:51.320too precious, and some that you