Painting a Positive Vision For Abortion Minded Families

WEBVTT100:00:00.200 --> 00:00:05.919He's created me for good works andthose those were laid out before I was200:00:05.960 --> 00:00:11.000born. Yeah, that is anamazing picture to me. Yeah, it's300:00:11.000 --> 00:00:16.399always good to know that your God'sgift to humanity. That's always a good400:00:16.440 --> 00:00:22.280thing, todd, that is forsure. I Am Yours, I am500:00:22.399 --> 00:00:27.719yours, I am yours, andme, Lord, I am yours,600:00:28.079 --> 00:00:32.799I am yours. I'm welcome tothe Gospel Center Pro Life Podcast, a700:00:32.880 --> 00:00:38.520podcast designed to equip, encourage andchallenge you in pro life ministry, and800:00:38.679 --> 00:00:45.759always with a focus on the Gospel. Stay tuned. I felt show passish,900:00:46.719 --> 00:00:56.840touch your heart. Use Hey,they're welcome to the Gospel centered pro1000:00:56.920 --> 00:01:02.359life podcast. I'm Vicky cassier.I'm here with Daniel Parks and say hi1100:01:02.479 --> 00:01:08.040Daniel. Hi Daniel. That's so. We are here, as as always,1200:01:08.040 --> 00:01:15.200hoping to encourage and and equip peoplewho are speaking on behalf of the1300:01:15.359 --> 00:01:19.760unborn and trying to create a cultureof life in their community. And a1400:01:19.760 --> 00:01:23.879lot of a lot of recent eventshave really, I don't know, brought1500:01:23.920 --> 00:01:26.920that home to me, yeah,very forcibly, that this is not a1600:01:26.920 --> 00:01:32.640culture of life right now, inin our nation, in our world,1700:01:32.680 --> 00:01:37.879it is a culture of death.There is, sadly, a lack of1800:01:38.000 --> 00:01:42.840understanding of the sanctity of life.Yeah, and I think it really does1900:01:42.879 --> 00:01:51.359begin with the unborn. Yeah,how do we feel as people about our2000:01:51.439 --> 00:01:57.040unborn neighbors? Right, and arewe fighting for those little unborn people?2100:01:57.400 --> 00:02:01.799Yeah, and and so to thatend, that, that's why we do2200:02:01.840 --> 00:02:07.360all of our podcasts. We believewe are called very clearly by God to2300:02:07.439 --> 00:02:15.319be speaking for those for those babiesin the womb, and and breathing culture2400:02:15.319 --> 00:02:21.960of life into those moms and familiesthat are here to destroy their their children.2500:02:22.039 --> 00:02:28.919Yeah. So what this particular podcastcame about actually from kind of an2600:02:29.000 --> 00:02:35.759unusual source. I was listening toa leadership podcast and it was laying out2700:02:36.080 --> 00:02:43.080how to be the best leader youcould be through, first of all,2800:02:43.120 --> 00:02:47.120creating a positive vision, yeah,of who you want to be, right,2900:02:47.159 --> 00:02:51.919what what a great leader looks like? Create that positive vision and then3000:02:51.960 --> 00:02:57.199laying out the steps to achieve thatpositive vision. And as I was listening3100:02:57.240 --> 00:03:00.759to that and thinking about it,I really thought this could be applied to3200:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.879the side Wi. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah, a3300:03:04.919 --> 00:03:07.919scripture comes to mind and proverbs twentynine, verse eighteen. I think I've3400:03:07.960 --> 00:03:13.199probably shared this a lot. TheLord really spoke to me some years back3500:03:13.520 --> 00:03:17.360through a message that another brother preachedabout this proverb in particular, about being3600:03:17.439 --> 00:03:22.520a father to my children, yeah, and being a good husband and just3700:03:22.560 --> 00:03:25.599all the aspects of my life,leadership and all of that stuff. PROVERBS3800:03:25.639 --> 00:03:30.800TE verse Eighteen Says Without Vision Thepeople perish. And in essence, so3900:03:30.879 --> 00:03:34.000we look at that word, andyou guys know that scripture. Well,4000:03:34.000 --> 00:03:37.520I'm sure without vision the people perish. But if you look the word perish,4100:03:37.520 --> 00:03:39.039it doesn't mean to go to hell. It's not like you know,4200:03:39.199 --> 00:03:43.599they they will not perish but haveeverlasting life. You know John Sixteen.4300:03:43.639 --> 00:03:46.680It's not that go to hell kindof perish. That word and Hebrew actually4400:03:46.680 --> 00:03:51.280means to cast off restraint and livelike a savage. It's there's no restraint4500:03:51.319 --> 00:03:54.800in your life. What's being said? They're well, actually a positive vision4600:03:55.080 --> 00:04:00.599restrained you. It'll restrain you tobe the father that God has called you4700:04:00.639 --> 00:04:03.199to be. It'll restrain you,keep you on the straight and narrow,4800:04:03.319 --> 00:04:05.879so to speak, to be theleader that God has called you to be,4900:04:05.919 --> 00:04:09.800to be the husband, to bethe wife that God has called you5000:04:09.840 --> 00:04:14.800to be. Without Vision, peopleperish. We cast off restraint. The5100:04:14.800 --> 00:04:17.279picture is one of an Olympic athlete. Right, Olympic athlete, what do5200:04:17.319 --> 00:04:20.920they do? They make sacrifices.They make sacrifices and what they eat.5300:04:20.959 --> 00:04:26.439They might they make sacrifices in howthey spend their time. They make sacrifices5400:04:26.439 --> 00:04:29.360and what they do to their body, lifting weights and all these other things.5500:04:29.360 --> 00:04:33.000But their cells are all kinds ofrigorous stuff. Right. They make5600:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.519sacrifices and who they hang out withand how much time they spend and doing5700:04:36.560 --> 00:04:40.439all kinds of things. Why dothey do that? Because they have a5800:04:40.560 --> 00:04:45.519vision of themselves standing on that podiumwith a gold medal around their neck.5900:04:45.600 --> 00:04:50.040That vision restrains them, keeps onon the straight and narrow to discipline themselves6000:04:50.399 --> 00:04:55.480to get to that goal, toget to that vision, right. Yeah,6100:04:55.480 --> 00:04:58.800and so that can apply to usas leaders and those who want to6200:04:58.800 --> 00:05:00.759be better leaders. We have avision of what a good leader is.6300:05:00.759 --> 00:05:03.480That's what we want to be andthat vision, if we keep it before6400:05:03.519 --> 00:05:06.040our eyes, is going to restrainus and keep us on the straight and6500:05:06.120 --> 00:05:10.920narrow to shoot toward that goal.Yeah, in the same way for the6600:05:10.920 --> 00:05:14.040men and the women that we ministerto at the abortion center. We can6700:05:14.040 --> 00:05:18.199convey this same reality. We canpaint a positive vision. Some of the6800:05:18.240 --> 00:05:21.680things that I'll do, some ofthe things that I'll say on the microphone.6900:05:21.720 --> 00:05:26.720A lot of times I'll say,Mama, right now you're pregnant and7000:05:26.759 --> 00:05:30.399you're a mother and maybe you don'tthink you can be a good mother,7100:05:30.639 --> 00:05:31.680mother to that child, but Iwant to tell you, with the grace7200:05:31.759 --> 00:05:34.519of God, not only can yoube a mother to that child, you7300:05:34.519 --> 00:05:39.120can be a good mother. I'llsay the same things to the DADS.7400:05:39.480 --> 00:05:42.480Yeah, you can be a goodfather to this child. Maybe you didn't7500:05:42.519 --> 00:05:44.759have a good dad, maybe youdidn't have a dad in your life at7600:05:44.800 --> 00:05:47.360all, but God wants to giveYou a vision for what you can be7700:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.120as a father. You can be, with the grace of God, a7800:05:50.199 --> 00:05:54.399good father for that child. Andthat's kind of like a, you know,7900:05:54.680 --> 00:05:58.959quick one line or so statement thatI would give to encourage these women8000:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.480and these men with a pose,a division and of course, if I8100:06:00.519 --> 00:06:03.720get more in depth with them,I can paint a positive vision on how8200:06:03.720 --> 00:06:08.360their children are going to love themand they're going to raise their children to8300:06:08.399 --> 00:06:11.839love and serve God and there asa family together or going to serve the8400:06:11.839 --> 00:06:15.680Lord together. They're going to togetherdo things for others. Together, they're8500:06:15.720 --> 00:06:19.120going to have that relationship that Godintended them to have as a family.8600:06:19.160 --> 00:06:24.040Paint a positive vision. She canmake it through college, you can.8700:06:24.120 --> 00:06:26.160You can do this, you canmake it through college, you can be8800:06:26.199 --> 00:06:28.959a good mother of this child.Why you go through college? God can8900:06:28.959 --> 00:06:32.600give you a good job. Paintinga Positive Vision Helps to restrain them,9000:06:32.680 --> 00:06:36.360keep them on the straight and narrowand hopefully point them to the right direction9100:06:36.480 --> 00:06:40.279first and foremost, and then keepthem going in that direction. Yeah,9200:06:40.279 --> 00:06:43.439because you know, the vision thatthey're painting for themselves right now is based9300:06:43.480 --> 00:06:47.600on their struggles and fears. Itis not based on a positive vision of9400:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.879what God would have to be.And I think that's the crux of the9500:06:50.959 --> 00:06:55.920vision that you're trying to paint is, well, what is the person that9600:06:56.079 --> 00:07:00.879God happen be? Since painting it'sreally vision, right. Yeah, helping9700:07:00.040 --> 00:07:03.600to paint God's vision right for them. Not My vision, right, not9800:07:03.680 --> 00:07:08.560your vision, certainly not. Lestsomebody's going to paint the vision for you.9900:07:08.720 --> 00:07:11.519Right, somebody's going to going topaint what your future is going to10000:07:11.560 --> 00:07:14.000be. Yeah, it's going tobe the devil. It's going to be10100:07:14.079 --> 00:07:17.959the world, it's going to beyou. Why not get into God's word10200:07:18.000 --> 00:07:21.800and get near to the Lord inprayers, seek his face and figure out10300:07:21.839 --> 00:07:25.639what his vision for you is?Right, it's going to be much better10400:07:25.680 --> 00:07:28.600than anyone else's. Yeah, andthat's what we're trying to do for these10500:07:28.680 --> 00:07:30.839mothers. And we really do know, based on God's Word and based on10600:07:30.879 --> 00:07:34.680experience, what God's vision is forthem. Yeah, we know that God's10700:07:34.759 --> 00:07:39.000vision for them is best right forthem, for us, for everybody.10800:07:39.160 --> 00:07:42.199Right. At the time that Iwas looking into this, our pastor did10900:07:42.240 --> 00:07:46.160a sermon on Ephesians and we werein effesions to ten, which is the11000:07:46.160 --> 00:07:50.279first. We are God's workmanship,created Christ Jesus for good works which God11100:07:50.360 --> 00:07:55.920has prepared before we were even born. And he made the point which I11200:07:55.959 --> 00:07:59.199had never known, and I actuallyresearched it and it's true. One of11300:07:59.199 --> 00:08:03.360the translations of workmanship means masterpiece.Yeah, we are God's masterpiece, and11400:08:03.439 --> 00:08:07.560I really lived there for a while. Yeah, thinking of that. You11500:08:07.600 --> 00:08:11.959know, it made me sit upa little taller, like I got masterpiece11600:08:13.240 --> 00:08:18.839and he's created me for he tellsme in he's created me for good works11700:08:20.160 --> 00:08:24.120and those those were laid out beforeI was born. Yeah, that is11800:08:24.160 --> 00:08:28.480an amazing picture to me. Yeah. So, always good to know that11900:08:28.519 --> 00:08:35.000your God's gift to humanity. That'salways a good thing. That that is12000:08:35.039 --> 00:08:41.039for sure. And and so ourgift to humanity we all are. We12100:08:41.159 --> 00:08:46.720all are. So, so creatinga positive and encouraging vision is critical.12200:08:46.759 --> 00:08:50.080And but there's a third aspect ofpainting a vision, okay, which I12300:08:50.080 --> 00:08:54.360think is where we fall short sometimes, yeah, as counselors, and that's12400:08:54.360 --> 00:09:00.440making it Achieva right. Yeah,so a positive vision, right, encouraging12500:09:00.559 --> 00:09:05.720vision, but an achievable and achievablevision. And I have found since I12600:09:05.759 --> 00:09:09.480wrote this podcast and have been thinkingabout it, I it has changed how12700:09:09.519 --> 00:09:13.559I speak on on the microphone orspeak when I'm calling out to the women.12800:09:13.600 --> 00:09:20.120I am spending more time painting apositive vision of what it means to12900:09:20.159 --> 00:09:24.399be a mother, what it meansto be a God follower. Yeah,13000:09:24.440 --> 00:09:30.759and I really am feeling like thisis the right place, yeah, for13100:09:30.759 --> 00:09:33.960for us to be speaking the prime. We say this to you, though,13200:09:33.000 --> 00:09:37.759go ahead, we're not speaking justkind of in theory, right,13300:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.279because we have we have experienced God'sability to really give us a positive vision13400:09:43.440 --> 00:09:46.200and to give us grace to walkin that direction. Like, yeah,13500:09:46.399 --> 00:09:50.320I've seen growth in you. Hopefullyyou've seen some growth in me. We've13600:09:50.360 --> 00:09:52.879seen growth in our own selves,others, brothers and sisters in the Lord,13700:09:52.879 --> 00:09:56.320like we see God growing and Godmoving in their lives. Also,13800:09:56.399 --> 00:10:01.039we've had the privilege of walking withthousands of women over the years that have13900:10:01.159 --> 00:10:07.840chosen life and we've seen God takethem from very dire situations into some pretty14000:10:07.840 --> 00:10:11.679glorious situations. Now that the roadthere is not an easy path. Yeah,14100:10:11.720 --> 00:10:15.799and there's always struggles on the wayand their struggles when we get there14200:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.919as well, but we've been ableto see what God will do and so14300:10:18.000 --> 00:10:22.279we can speak in faith, outof a position of faith and experience,14400:10:22.320 --> 00:10:26.600to these women, and you guyscan to those who are listening. Your14500:10:26.679 --> 00:10:30.840testimony, testimonies of others around you, is so power awerful and helping paint14600:10:30.840 --> 00:10:35.000a positive vision. It is.It is and I know in my own14700:10:35.000 --> 00:10:41.759life a very great example of paintinga positive vision, helping to elevate someone14800:10:41.799 --> 00:10:46.679to be more than they believed theycould be. Is Daniel Park speaking to14900:10:46.720 --> 00:10:54.360me when I was a somewhat newcounselor and saying you thought that I needed15000:10:54.480 --> 00:11:00.679to be doing this new role trainingand coordinating the volunteers. And remember at15100:11:00.679 --> 00:11:03.879first I said no, yeah,I don't think that's me. Yeah,15200:11:03.919 --> 00:11:09.559and Daniel just really painted the vision. And and I wanted to live up15300:11:09.600 --> 00:11:13.159to it. Yeah, and andin many ways I think I did,15400:11:13.200 --> 00:11:18.240because a vision was painted. Iknew that's who I wanted to be.15500:11:18.720 --> 00:11:24.639I knew that there were some shortcomingsthat God probably wanted to to get rid15600:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.960of and to work on. Andbut it began with that painting of the15700:11:31.080 --> 00:11:35.080Vision. And so it was doneand it helped me. I know it15800:11:35.120 --> 00:11:39.159can. We can do it andhelp others. Yeah, that's one of15900:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.559the things I'll say often times.God is not a respecter of persons.16000:11:43.639 --> 00:11:46.240If he could help me to bea decent dad, a decent husband,16100:11:46.320 --> 00:11:50.159yeah, and it he'sn't Christian,yeah, then Gosh, he can help16200:11:50.200 --> 00:11:54.559anyone exactly. So this podcast washelpful in many ways. First of all,16300:11:54.600 --> 00:12:00.120just that concept was immediately releasing forme and and and an edify and16400:12:00.200 --> 00:12:03.200I felt like I can do this, I can do help paint this vision16500:12:03.240 --> 00:12:07.799for the Moms, but they givesome key elements in how to make the16600:12:09.039 --> 00:12:13.799this positive, encouraging and achievable.Yeah, and, and I'm going to16700:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.000focus on I think we all knowwhat it means to be impositive, positive16800:12:18.039 --> 00:12:20.960and encouraging. I'm not going todwell there, but on how can we16900:12:20.000 --> 00:12:24.919make it achievable. So there werefive key elements, okay, that the17000:12:24.960 --> 00:12:30.600podcast mentioned. And the first oneis encouraging them, and you say this17100:12:30.679 --> 00:12:37.000a lot, which encourage means speakcourage. Yeah, speaking courage into someone,17200:12:37.039 --> 00:12:41.039put in into them that they cando this, which is your example17300:12:41.200 --> 00:12:45.519of you can be the mom withGod's help. Yeah, that's that's encouragement.17400:12:45.600 --> 00:12:48.000You can do this, first ofall. Yeah, so saying they17500:12:48.039 --> 00:12:52.720can do it is first thing.Second is resources. Right, how are17600:12:52.759 --> 00:12:56.360you going to reach this vision?In other words, what are what are17700:12:56.399 --> 00:13:00.240some things that are going to helpyou along the way? First and foremost,17800:13:00.240 --> 00:13:03.480God, yeah, which you mentioned, but as sidewalk counselors, well,17900:13:03.840 --> 00:13:07.320we have a lot of resources.Yeah, there are a lot of18000:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.559things that we can mention. Yeah, yeah, no doubt that can help.18100:13:09.559 --> 00:13:15.399There's I mean you can encounter awoman who is homeless or under threat18200:13:15.440 --> 00:13:16.799of being homeless as she has thisbaby. She don't want to have an18300:13:16.840 --> 00:13:20.879abortion, but she don't want tobe homeless. You get it right.18400:13:20.039 --> 00:13:24.440Right, there's resources, there's housingministries, and these housing ministries a lot18500:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.360of times they help paint a positivevision because they're not just trying to give18600:13:28.399 --> 00:13:33.519the woman a play leased to stay. They also have programs and things.18700:13:33.559 --> 00:13:37.919There's housing ministries. They're awesome.They have programs where the woman has to18800:13:37.960 --> 00:13:39.480work. There's a lot of timesthere's criteria. If they're going to stay18900:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.639in a housing program she has towork. But what they do and she19000:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.440has to save money, and Idon't know all of them, but a19100:13:46.480 --> 00:13:48.720lot of them are like this.You have to work, you have to19200:13:48.759 --> 00:13:52.639save money, you often have togo to classes, parenting classes, whatever.19300:13:52.320 --> 00:13:56.120But the money that they say,and I want in particular the money19400:13:56.159 --> 00:14:00.519that they save, that ministry actuallymatches that money so that they can actually19500:14:00.559 --> 00:14:03.679be on their feet in a coupleof years. They can have enough money19600:14:03.720 --> 00:14:05.399to put it down payment on ahouse. Yeah, I mean some of19700:14:05.399 --> 00:14:11.279these women could never imagine that theywould be a homeowner. Yeah, but19800:14:11.360 --> 00:14:15.320you can paint that vision like theycan. They can own their own house19900:14:15.399 --> 00:14:18.639in a nice area of town.Yeah, yeah, I'm super smiling at20000:14:18.679 --> 00:14:24.600that because one of the very firstMOMS I ever counseled pretty desperate situation as20100:14:24.639 --> 00:14:28.600I'm looking back on her, butshe was so humble and had a very20200:14:28.600 --> 00:14:33.120teachable spirit. She just bought herfirst house I start this. She literally20300:14:33.120 --> 00:14:35.519probably was one of the very first. So nine or ten years ago,20400:14:35.559 --> 00:14:39.360as when I started with her.She's she's gotten into politics. Now she's20500:14:39.399 --> 00:14:43.279got this amazing roles. She justbought our first house. I think she's20600:14:43.360 --> 00:14:50.399engaged. So anyway. So resourcesare really important. But the other thing20700:14:50.440 --> 00:14:54.919the podcast said was very often,when you've painted this positive vision that we20800:14:54.000 --> 00:14:58.320all see, yea, we wantthat and you okay, you've given me20900:14:58.440 --> 00:15:01.279some ideas on how to get there. But so it's overwhelming, right,21000:15:01.360 --> 00:15:07.120yeah, and so the third keyelement is give them the small steps that21100:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.879that person could take towards that vision. Yeah, the small step. So21200:15:11.960 --> 00:15:18.440break it down. Let's make acall to raise this housing person. Yeah,21300:15:18.480 --> 00:15:22.559and what we actually will do firstof all is will say, come21400:15:22.559 --> 00:15:24.320and look at your baby on ourfree mobile off Tine. Get them out21500:15:24.320 --> 00:15:30.480of the immediate crisis. So andthen then we'll set up a mentorship with21600:15:30.519 --> 00:15:33.039you, then we'll make the callswith you and link resources to your specific21700:15:33.039 --> 00:15:37.440obstacles. But make them small steps, not just there's this great big goal21800:15:37.559 --> 00:15:41.200at the end, like the Olympiadthat you gave as the example. Yes,21900:15:41.279 --> 00:15:45.480they've got the vision. I'm goingto be standing on the podium get22000:15:45.519 --> 00:15:50.559getting gold, writing that gold medalhung around my neck. But that vision22100:15:50.679 --> 00:15:54.639is not sufficient in and of itself. That Olympiad has to figure out what22200:15:54.639 --> 00:15:58.720what are the steps for me toget there, and break it down that22300:15:58.799 --> 00:16:03.039they are achievable steps each step ofthe way. Yeah, so I thought22400:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.360that was a really good point.Yeah, absolutely, but even that can22500:16:06.399 --> 00:16:10.559be overwhelming. Listing the letting themknow there are small steps and here's the22600:16:10.600 --> 00:16:15.679steps. But maybe even most important, more important, is the number fourth22700:16:15.799 --> 00:16:19.639key element. Tell them the immediatenext step. Yeah, yeah, just22800:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.879give them one footage front of theother. The exactly how do you eat22900:16:22.919 --> 00:16:26.120an elephant? One Bite at atime, bite at a time. I23000:16:26.159 --> 00:16:30.639love that, because that's really thewhat we're trying to say here. Give23100:16:30.720 --> 00:16:36.720them the immediate next step. Yeah, to move them out of crisis towards23200:16:36.799 --> 00:16:38.960the vision, from a false vision, which is I'm going to be the23300:16:38.960 --> 00:16:45.360mother of a dead baby because it'smy only option and choice to the real23400:16:45.480 --> 00:16:48.360vision God has for them. Yeah, which is I can save, nurture,23500:16:48.480 --> 00:16:52.559protect this baby and be the motherGod, yeah, created me to23600:16:52.600 --> 00:16:56.759be. Yeah. Absolutely. Andthen the fifth one is lay out an23700:16:56.759 --> 00:17:03.919immediate reward. Yeah. So theimmediate reward is going to differ with every23800:17:03.919 --> 00:17:07.160woman. The first immediate reward isyou're not going to have on your conscience23900:17:07.599 --> 00:17:12.359the death of your own child.Right. There are many things that that24000:17:12.400 --> 00:17:15.119could go into each of these areas. I think in the next part of24100:17:15.160 --> 00:17:21.799this we talked about specifically what wecan do with with each part. But24200:17:21.920 --> 00:17:26.680think about that. What is goingto be an immediate reward? Yeah,24300:17:26.720 --> 00:17:30.160that that you can offer, yeah, to these women. I mean I24400:17:30.160 --> 00:17:36.119would say one of those things forsure is the mental program having a friend.24500:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.039That that's an immediate reward. Yeah, and we connect you with the24600:17:38.039 --> 00:17:41.799mentor. They're they're going to helpsort through the stuff with you, they're24700:17:41.799 --> 00:17:45.720going to help point you to resources. Yeah, but the first thing is24800:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.160just connect with them and you'll havesomeone walking with you through this thing,24900:17:49.599 --> 00:17:55.200somebody who shoulder you can cry on, right, and that's an a powerful,25000:17:55.240 --> 00:17:57.039immediate reward. Now, not everymom's going to see it like that,25100:17:57.400 --> 00:18:00.920right, some, some don't wantto open their lives up to someone,25200:18:00.960 --> 00:18:04.440and we can understand that for sure, but these mentors are trained and25300:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.559they're they're just to be a friend. To me, that's a reward,25400:18:07.720 --> 00:18:14.319right. Yeah, yeah, andI think those are all great. I25500:18:14.359 --> 00:18:21.640had at a woman recently that Ifelt like the steps that I took her25600:18:21.640 --> 00:18:26.319through kind of were these steps,but she she had stopped. There was25700:18:26.359 --> 00:18:30.839a language barrier, so I thatdefinitely affected how much I could speak to25800:18:30.880 --> 00:18:38.680her. But in terms of themain steps, when I offered her resources,25900:18:38.720 --> 00:18:42.720the baby shower was one thing,right, that that I offered her26000:18:42.799 --> 00:18:49.359right away and her face lit up. Creating the positive vision and encouraging her.26100:18:49.680 --> 00:18:52.759One of the things I think allof us say is the baby is26200:18:52.799 --> 00:18:56.519made in God's image, and so, are you right? That's it.26300:18:56.759 --> 00:19:00.599One of the first visions I thinkwe need to create. Yeah, for26400:19:00.680 --> 00:19:04.960those women. Yeah, God's positivevision of them. Right, that's one26500:19:04.960 --> 00:19:07.519of our talking points. What Godsays, what God says about you.26600:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.519Yeah, you're made in his image, you're loved and known by him,26700:19:11.559 --> 00:19:15.240and that does, I think,paint that positive vision that you're not just26800:19:15.799 --> 00:19:21.559some nobody that that nobody cares about, but God cares about you and because26900:19:21.640 --> 00:19:25.240of that you can trust him andyou can walk with him right out of27000:19:25.240 --> 00:19:29.359that place, right away from aboard. Right. Yeah, he has27100:19:29.400 --> 00:19:32.319even more or for you. HasIf the God who made the heavens and27200:19:32.359 --> 00:19:36.440the earth loves you and sees youas precious, how much more does he27300:19:36.480 --> 00:19:41.119have for you? Yeah, yeah, it's but the way of positive outcome.27400:19:41.480 --> 00:19:44.160Yeah, that's all great. Andthen I asked her if she had27500:19:44.160 --> 00:19:48.559other children, and she nodded,and I asked her if she loved them27600:19:48.559 --> 00:19:52.240and was a good mother to them, and again she nodded, and then27700:19:52.279 --> 00:19:56.079I said, well, you couldbe that same good loving mother to the27800:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.599child in your womb. So paintingthe positive vision of really who she already27900:20:00.880 --> 00:20:06.559was to her other children. Andthen at that point she opened up the28000:20:06.599 --> 00:20:12.519pamphlet and saw the abortion victim.Yeah, and that was another key element28100:20:12.920 --> 00:20:22.079in that painting of the positive vision. is warning of the consequences of rejecting,28200:20:22.160 --> 00:20:26.279yeah, the vision which the abortionvictim picture did. Yeah, that's28300:20:26.359 --> 00:20:30.440what happens if you if there isno restraint, like you said, yeah,28400:20:30.440 --> 00:20:33.480on on the vision that God haspainted for you. Yeah, contrasting28500:20:33.519 --> 00:20:37.920the positive vision that God has forthem, that he wants them to embrace,28600:20:37.000 --> 00:20:41.400right, with the negative vision ofif you continue on the path of28700:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.519your own, here can be theresult? That's there's a negative consequent life28800:20:45.640 --> 00:20:49.119is going to be destructive, andJesus talks about that. He talks about28900:20:49.160 --> 00:20:52.400the path that leads to life.Yeah, the path that leads to death.29000:20:52.440 --> 00:20:56.920I think that's a very appropriate scriptureto share, right, he says,29100:20:56.039 --> 00:21:00.559why? Is the way broad?Is the gate that leads to destruction,29200:21:00.640 --> 00:21:03.759and many are going down that path. Yeah, but he said narrow29300:21:03.920 --> 00:21:07.440is the way that leads to life, and few there be that find it.29400:21:07.519 --> 00:21:11.839And so we can help these womenfind that narrow way, we can29500:21:11.839 --> 00:21:15.759point them toward that narrow way.Yeah, and as we paint a positive29600:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.000vision, I'll believe that will lenditself to these women grabbing a hole.29700:21:19.160 --> 00:21:22.160These men also was not let's notforget about the men. I've done this29800:21:22.200 --> 00:21:26.920with many of the men that I'veministered to, again, encouraging them.29900:21:26.960 --> 00:21:30.480You could be a good dad.I mean, imagine you and your son30000:21:30.599 --> 00:21:33.960going fishing together. You know,just imagine you and your son throwing a30100:21:33.960 --> 00:21:37.039football and you're to get a mentalpick. I mean a picture, literally,30200:21:37.079 --> 00:21:41.559a picture in their head of thesethings that are very positive and good30300:21:41.559 --> 00:21:45.079things, and I I so muchprefer this approach to hearing what I do30400:21:45.200 --> 00:21:51.880hear called out sometimes you're a cowardright. Well, that may be true,30500:21:51.960 --> 00:21:57.079it is true, but you're justkind of reinforcing this negative self image30600:21:57.119 --> 00:22:03.640they already have. And what abetter thing to do to instead show them30700:22:03.680 --> 00:22:07.400this is who you could be beforeGod. And then don't forget about offering30800:22:07.400 --> 00:22:12.200those small steps. In the thesituation with the woman, I stopped that30900:22:12.279 --> 00:22:17.400then I said, after we talkedabout loving her other children, being her31000:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.440mother to the other children, lookingat the consequence if she rejected it,31100:22:21.480 --> 00:22:23.839and then I said, could Imake an appointment? Can I call right31200:22:23.880 --> 00:22:27.279now for an appointment for an notch, sound and cheek. She just nodded31300:22:27.359 --> 00:22:33.960and that set her on a wholestep towards mentorship, choosing life and everything.31400:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.319So I thought that played out kindof what I've what we're trying to31500:22:37.400 --> 00:22:41.920present in yeah, in this podcast. Yeah, absolutely, lay out that.31600:22:41.920 --> 00:22:45.599That one the next thing they needto do, and then help them31700:22:45.640 --> 00:22:48.279do that. If possible, helpthem do that next step. Yeah,31800:22:48.359 --> 00:22:52.000yeah, for the men, Ithink a positive next step for them.31900:22:52.240 --> 00:22:56.400I'm thinking of a man who's inthe parking lot or his girlfriends inside the32000:22:56.440 --> 00:22:59.799abortion center. I'm trying to paintthis positive vision. Next step for him32100:22:59.920 --> 00:23:02.759is going to be a big step. But as go in there, just32200:23:02.799 --> 00:23:04.039go in there and speak with her. I'm not even saying go in there32300:23:04.079 --> 00:23:07.240and get her out. I mightsay that, but for the most part32400:23:07.240 --> 00:23:08.319I'm like, just go in thereand speak with her. Let me give32500:23:08.359 --> 00:23:11.119you this brochure. I'll put thebrochure in his hand, like I'm doing.32600:23:11.200 --> 00:23:14.519I'm doing everything shout of going inthere, because I can't go in32700:23:14.559 --> 00:23:17.160there, putting the brochure in hishand. I'm giving some talking points.32800:23:17.480 --> 00:23:18.319Man, go in there. I'llbe praying for you. I've done that32900:23:18.359 --> 00:23:22.039a lot of times. Yeah,and I've seen it where these young men33000:23:22.119 --> 00:23:26.240go in. I've spoken courage intothem, they walk in there, they33100:23:26.279 --> 00:23:29.720speak to her, they both comeout holding hands, hug on the front33200:23:29.799 --> 00:23:32.920porch and leave. I've seen thata lot of times. We're just speaking33300:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.279courage into him, painting a positivevision. You can be a good dad33400:23:36.279 --> 00:23:38.279in the first step is to goin there and speak on behalf of your33500:23:38.319 --> 00:23:44.440baby and painting that positive vision forhim and giving him kind of an easy,33600:23:44.559 --> 00:23:49.279not easy actually, but immediate andmaybe pretty difficult, but hey,33700:23:49.279 --> 00:23:53.240we're in this thing with you.Next step is is really powerful. God.33800:23:53.319 --> 00:23:57.279Yes, that's a perfect example,I think, because I've seen it33900:23:57.319 --> 00:24:00.640too, so many times. Therewas someone last week that dad did go34000:24:00.680 --> 00:24:06.839in and then call that yelled outto us, we're safe in this baby34100:24:07.039 --> 00:24:11.440as they as they left together,and he did. He did indeed save34200:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.640save that baby. Yeah, bygoing in and speaking. So it's so34300:24:15.759 --> 00:24:22.440powerful. A positive messages so inso many ways, I think, so34400:24:22.599 --> 00:24:27.599much better instead of playing on theweaknesses that we see, and I think34500:24:27.640 --> 00:24:33.599it's easy for us to just callthem out on their sin and their weaknesses34600:24:33.160 --> 00:24:40.400rather than painting that positive vision.But I think it is so much more34700:24:40.440 --> 00:24:45.319life altering. Yeah, to sayyou can be this person. Yeah,34800:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.240God created you to be and youyou don't have to do it alone.34900:24:48.359 --> 00:24:52.680The Holy Spirit will help you.Yeah, you take that first step of35000:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.079faith, he's right there. He'sright there with us. Yeah, it's35100:24:56.119 --> 00:25:02.079what he wants for us. So, yeah, that's good. God is35200:25:02.119 --> 00:25:07.000for us. Who can be againstus? Yeah, yeah, well,35300:25:07.000 --> 00:25:10.160guys, we hope that this podcastepisode was a blessing to you. We35400:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.519hope that all of these episodes area blessing. We love to hear from35500:25:12.559 --> 00:25:15.519you. If you have suggestions forfuture episode, you can reach out to35600:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.319me, Daniel, I love lifedot Org. You reach her, Vicki,35700:25:18.599 --> 00:25:22.519with a why I love life dotOrg. We love to hear these35800:25:22.559 --> 00:25:26.559suggestions for future podcast episode. 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