Nov. 12, 2020

Not All Stories Turn Out Great

Not All Stories Turn Out Great

In ministry at the abortion centers, we see a lot of awesome stories of lives saved. We love to share those stories because they encourage others to get involved. However, not all of the stories turn out great. In this episode, we share stories that...


In ministry at the abortion centers, we see a lot of awesome stories of lives saved. We love to share those stories because they encourage others to get involved. However, not all of the stories turn out great. In this episode, we share stories that didn't turn out great and how we dealt with those situations.

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.230 Lord. I welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. As you know, 3 00:00:10.349 --> 00:00:13.109 we like to share from time to time the stories that happen on the 4 00:00:13.150 --> 00:00:16.350 sidewalk. A lot of times we share good stories, but in this podcast 5 00:00:16.390 --> 00:00:18.910 we're going to talk about some of those stories that didn't turn out so good. 6 00:00:19.230 --> 00:00:35.810 Stay with us, I felt show passis touch your welcome to the Gospel 7 00:00:35.850 --> 00:00:40.609 Center pro life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening. We hope this podcast 8 00:00:41.369 --> 00:00:44.250 episode will be a blessing to you guys. We hope our previous episodes have 9 00:00:44.329 --> 00:00:47.649 been a blessing. We covered in the last two episodes the goodness of God. 10 00:00:47.850 --> 00:00:51.280 Yeah, in light of some of the difficult situations that we face and 11 00:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.920 quite possibly many of you guys that are listening face on a daily basis at 12 00:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.759 the abortion centers, or weekly basis, however off when you're out there. 13 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.280 We hope that was an encouragement to you guys and not a discouragement. And 14 00:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.909 we got real in that podcast, or some of the stories, want story 15 00:01:07.909 --> 00:01:08.909 in particularly, that we shared, and we're going to get real in this 16 00:01:08.989 --> 00:01:12.629 podcast to yeah, we are. We're going to talk about how not all 17 00:01:12.870 --> 00:01:19.299 stories turn out good. We tend to share, and rightfully so, write 18 00:01:19.340 --> 00:01:22.579 the good stories that take place. Yeah, would encourage people. Yeah, 19 00:01:22.739 --> 00:01:29.859 people are encourage when a mom chooses life and this awesome story that really turns 20 00:01:29.900 --> 00:01:33.689 out awesome and God is glorified through it. And we want to encourage people 21 00:01:34.129 --> 00:01:37.049 and we want our counselors to know that their work is not in vain. 22 00:01:37.129 --> 00:01:41.969 There are so there's definitely fruit, yeah, from all of their toil. 23 00:01:42.049 --> 00:01:46.090 Yeah, I want to encourage people in social media to get involved in their 24 00:01:46.170 --> 00:01:49.400 city. Hey, God's doing something here in Charlotte. He wants to do 25 00:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.640 it in your city. Here's what he can do if you get on board. 26 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.359 But I've discovered that sometimes what we mean for encouragement can actually be discouraging 27 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.189 to people. Yeah, and so we don't mean to bring something discouraging order 28 00:02:01.269 --> 00:02:05.150 to encourage you, but we do want to kind of bring some balance to 29 00:02:05.230 --> 00:02:09.030 it and just let people know and understand that not all the situations that we 30 00:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.590 deal with actually turn out good. We've had situations, and we've shared some 31 00:02:14.669 --> 00:02:17.740 of those, where we've had a mom that we've poured into, I mean 32 00:02:17.780 --> 00:02:21.740 given her every reason to choose life and she ends up going into the abortion 33 00:02:21.780 --> 00:02:23.659 center, right. So we're going to talk about that. Yeah, again, 34 00:02:23.699 --> 00:02:28.139 not to discourage you guys that are listening, to encourage you that even 35 00:02:28.139 --> 00:02:30.889 in spite of that, God is good, like our last two episodes, 36 00:02:30.449 --> 00:02:35.490 and Jesus is still doing stuff, his words still going forth, and we've 37 00:02:35.490 --> 00:02:38.930 always said the victory is in obedience. Right, it's not just in baby 38 00:02:38.050 --> 00:02:42.569 saved or soul saved, but it's in obeying God. Yeah, and then 39 00:02:42.650 --> 00:02:46.240 babies are saved and souls are saved out of our obedience to God. But 40 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.400 before we jump into that, I wanted to have a little bit of fun. 41 00:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.479 Oh, okay, that's always fine. Now, you guys who've been 42 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.039 listening for a while, maybe you haven't seen this. Some of you guys 43 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.879 that are new, maybe you as you were looking through Itunes, and I 44 00:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.509 think I've shared this a few times on our episodes. As we started out, 45 00:03:00.550 --> 00:03:05.389 just encouraging people to leave reviews. Is We've gotten trolled by some of 46 00:03:05.469 --> 00:03:10.229 our pro abortion opposition. We've got about sixteen hundred reviews on. That's past 47 00:03:10.870 --> 00:03:15.099 for a podcast like ours. Yeah, it's just two people pretty much with 48 00:03:15.300 --> 00:03:20.379 some microphones, right, and put a whole lot of production and trained broadcast 49 00:03:20.500 --> 00:03:23.819 professionals. Yeah, to one sixteen hundred reviews, especially when we're talking from 50 00:03:24.379 --> 00:03:29.449 Gospel Center pro life perspective. So it's kind of a neat niche sort of 51 00:03:30.490 --> 00:03:32.849 topic. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. The only thing is, as Thou 52 00:03:32.969 --> 00:03:37.849 sixteen hundred reviews, like one thou six hundred and seventy something or so. 53 00:03:38.530 --> 00:03:43.400 At this point, about ninety nine percent of them are bad. There there 54 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.120 one star reviews. Now I do well, I know for sure that the 55 00:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.560 way things work is the more interactions with a podcast, so bad reviews are 56 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.439 good reviews. It still pushes us up in the ranking. So those who 57 00:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.990 I guess want to hurt us are actually helping us. Yeah, I've had 58 00:03:57.990 --> 00:04:00.430 a lot more listeners and we praise God for that. So what they meant 59 00:04:00.469 --> 00:04:03.069 for evil? God used it, got it. God used it for good. 60 00:04:03.189 --> 00:04:05.949 So, just like our last couple episodes, God is good. But 61 00:04:06.069 --> 00:04:10.300 what I wanted to do let's have a little fun with some of these reviews, 62 00:04:10.340 --> 00:04:13.379 because some of them are just playing nasty and I'm not going to repeat 63 00:04:13.379 --> 00:04:15.379 what they said in the reviews, but some of them are just Dang funny 64 00:04:16.220 --> 00:04:20.579 and kind of encouraging in one sense and, you know, just like a 65 00:04:20.699 --> 00:04:24.290 good laugh. So maybe this would give some of you guys a good half 66 00:04:24.410 --> 00:04:27.490 and will will get Vicki's reaction to some of these, because you haven't read 67 00:04:27.529 --> 00:04:30.970 all of these, but these are some of the reviews on our podcasts on 68 00:04:31.089 --> 00:04:36.209 itunes. The title of this one is disrespectful and it's a Onestar review. 69 00:04:36.209 --> 00:04:40.600 All of these are going to be one star on star distress. Imagine making 70 00:04:40.680 --> 00:04:46.040 people feel bad for a boarding babies. I couldn't be me heart. Well, 71 00:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.480 first and foremost, these are the pro choice people who say that it's 72 00:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.910 not a baby, right, it's a fetus, it's a blob of tissue 73 00:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.670 or a clump of cells. Yeah, except sometimes they slip up and admit 74 00:04:57.790 --> 00:05:00.990 that it's a baby, and she does here. This is from Cool K 75 00:05:00.350 --> 00:05:04.990 thirty four. Okay, so imagine making people feel bad for a boarding babies. 76 00:05:05.029 --> 00:05:10.259 HMM, imagine that. Imagine, I can imagine. We get paid 77 00:05:10.259 --> 00:05:13.699 to do that, apparently, make people feel bad this. This is from 78 00:05:14.220 --> 00:05:19.420 mad dog six hundred and eighty nine, and it's titled Pro Choice is pro 79 00:05:19.819 --> 00:05:24.689 woman. Okay, never heard that one before. Okay, well, here 80 00:05:24.810 --> 00:05:28.610 she says in her review I'm assuming it's a woman, all right, although 81 00:05:28.610 --> 00:05:30.250 I should maybe assume her gender. Okay, I guess. Or Yeah, 82 00:05:30.250 --> 00:05:34.720 their gender. Abortion is not murder. First of all, a fetus is 83 00:05:34.839 --> 00:05:40.120 not considered a human being and it's technically a parasite. Hang on to that 84 00:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.839 for a second, because I want to talk about that. Second of all, 85 00:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.279 even if a fetus were considered a human being, then abortion would still 86 00:05:46.319 --> 00:05:51.870 be okay, since it is in the woman's body, because bodily integrity protects 87 00:05:51.990 --> 00:05:57.430 it. Okay, since this is a religious podcast, did you know that 88 00:05:57.550 --> 00:06:01.750 God stated that a baby is alive when it takes its first breath? Therefore, 89 00:06:01.949 --> 00:06:05.060 while in the womb, it's technically not alive. Therefore, abortion is 90 00:06:05.139 --> 00:06:10.339 okay by the Bible. WHOO, a lot of deductions the falling up for 91 00:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.060 really he so I'll want to make a challenge. Yeah, I want to 92 00:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.060 make a challenge because I made this challenge actually last Saturday was some of the 93 00:06:16.139 --> 00:06:19.170 pro pro choice people, because one of them told me this very thing. 94 00:06:19.290 --> 00:06:23.970 You know, the Bible teaches that it's not actually alive until it bring us 95 00:06:23.970 --> 00:06:26.649 first of breath. We actually did a podcast about that, so you guys 96 00:06:26.689 --> 00:06:29.769 can go back and listen to that. And so I asked him, this 97 00:06:30.050 --> 00:06:32.600 gentleman that told me he knew the Bible and he's raised on the Bible and 98 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.959 this I said, show me where it says in the Bible that it's not 99 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.920 a person until it takes his first breath. Right, of course he couldn't. 100 00:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.399 He brought out some he could some some liberal he could not. He 101 00:06:44.519 --> 00:06:49.149 had some liberal scholar interpretation of some passage of scripture in the Old Testament. 102 00:06:49.230 --> 00:06:55.269 Okay, and so that's ridiculous. The Bible is clear that God knows us 103 00:06:55.269 --> 00:06:58.110 while we're in our mother's womb and all of that. But this point of 104 00:06:58.670 --> 00:07:01.139 it's technically a parasite. Yeah, technically. Now, what does the word 105 00:07:01.180 --> 00:07:06.779 technically mean to you? Technically? Well, I mean that there's like factual 106 00:07:06.860 --> 00:07:11.180 yeah, roof, you can into the technicalities of it. But yeah, 107 00:07:11.259 --> 00:07:15.970 actually, technically it's not a parasite. It's impossible for a creature to be 108 00:07:16.050 --> 00:07:23.089 a parasite of its own species, right, we know, just a parasite 109 00:07:23.129 --> 00:07:26.290 is always of a different species. That's a very good point. So that's 110 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.720 IMPOL technically. You're correct to technically. I'm correct. Technically. Pro Choice 111 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.519 is pro woman or mad dog. Six hundred and eighty nine. Technically you're 112 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.600 incorrect. So so sorry to break that to you. Sorry, maybe you 113 00:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.720 would consider revising that one. Maybe, maybe go back and revise that. 114 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.470 Let's read another one. There's one that actually I'm not going to read. 115 00:07:45.470 --> 00:07:48.149 That's too long. But they're trying to quote a first Corinthians Thirteen. No 116 00:07:48.269 --> 00:07:53.589 temptation is overtaken youth and that which is common, a man goes on to 117 00:07:54.509 --> 00:07:57.550 from what I gather, we shouldn't judge people. All its other stuff, 118 00:07:57.589 --> 00:08:00.100 but whatever. Another one we've never heard. Yeah, we did a whole 119 00:08:00.100 --> 00:08:03.740 podcast about this. Now this is from Hockey Zach, Hockey Zack. Hockey 120 00:08:03.779 --> 00:08:09.019 Zach wrote no heart. This is the title. No heart. It's a 121 00:08:09.060 --> 00:08:13.569 one star review as well. It has a baby, little emoji of a 122 00:08:13.649 --> 00:08:18.970 baby, a hammer hitting that baby and then an angel baby. So wonder 123 00:08:18.050 --> 00:08:20.970 what they mean in there. Hockey Hockey Zach, are you implying that we 124 00:08:22.009 --> 00:08:24.449 should hit babies with hammers? Well, it seems to be consistent. At 125 00:08:24.490 --> 00:08:30.000 least we can appreciate the consistency. Yeah, yeah, and the baby turns 126 00:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.279 into an angel. So their theology needs some work. Theologically that's incorrect, 127 00:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.200 but practically it shows the spirit of the whole pro abortion. Yeah, persuasion 128 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.830 there. Right, I'll just read a few more these, just this, 129 00:08:41.070 --> 00:08:43.269 just for fun. This is a show you the spirit of these people, 130 00:08:43.269 --> 00:08:46.909 and some of you guys listen and you've already read some of these in your 131 00:08:46.990 --> 00:08:50.269 like shaking your head. So maybe this will encourage some of you guys who 132 00:08:50.350 --> 00:08:54.190 that are listening the like this podcast to leave us a five star review. 133 00:08:54.389 --> 00:08:56.860 Yeah, it would maybe help us out to bring our ranking up from one 134 00:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.059 sixteen hundred and some reviews with one star to maybe sixteen hundred some reviews of 135 00:09:01.139 --> 00:09:05.700 two stars. Maybe. Agree, anything's possibly, things possible. So this 136 00:09:05.980 --> 00:09:11.809 is from pastel him Koa Tooga. Okay, that's their name, and it's 137 00:09:11.850 --> 00:09:16.409 titled Go Home, Vicky, oh me. Yeah, it's specifically targets me, 138 00:09:16.929 --> 00:09:22.690 specifically targets you, vigre. Some of these actually particularly a many of 139 00:09:22.769 --> 00:09:26.799 these actually particularly target you. And this is. This says, in her 140 00:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.720 review, or his review, whatever, I'll slurp up my dead baby like 141 00:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.679 a Jello shot. Oh, I know, what a vile individual. I 142 00:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.159 think that person called me. I'm serious, I'm a call yeah, about 143 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.509 this. Okay, yeah, they're just out of their mind. A little 144 00:09:41.509 --> 00:09:43.909 bit sick. That's a little bit more than a little bit. But wait 145 00:09:43.950 --> 00:09:46.549 a minute, okay, it's not a baby. I thought it's just a 146 00:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.870 battle of tissue. Right. Some yeah, sometimes, when you lie, 147 00:09:50.549 --> 00:09:54.019 see, when you lie, here's a list of for everybody. When you 148 00:09:54.059 --> 00:09:56.379 lie, you have to remember what you previously said. But if you tell 149 00:09:56.419 --> 00:09:58.659 the truth, you want have to worry about remember, right. So if 150 00:09:58.659 --> 00:10:00.940 you lie and say it's not a baby, it's a Blob of tissue, 151 00:10:00.980 --> 00:10:05.419 yeah, and obviously that's not true. Now, then you have to remember 152 00:10:05.779 --> 00:10:09.129 that phrase every time. Blab of tissue, Blob of tissue, because slurping 153 00:10:09.169 --> 00:10:11.850 up a Blab of tissue would probably die. And I don't have a problem 154 00:10:11.889 --> 00:10:16.169 with that. Baby, I got a problem. Yeah, this is from 155 00:10:16.850 --> 00:10:18.090 but we don't. So why do I have to go home? Well, 156 00:10:18.330 --> 00:10:20.960 she didn't say. Oh yeah, so you just go home. That's it, 157 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.000 basically. This next one is from yummy fetus. Oh, there's a 158 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.840 lovely tile, these cannibalistic fetus eaters here, and this is Jello with a 159 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.149 less than and then a three, so it's like a Kissy kind of thing. 160 00:10:37.549 --> 00:10:41.070 Okay, this is the one story review as well. Honestly, I'd 161 00:10:41.110 --> 00:10:45.669 love to eat an aborted fetus like I sup for from intrusive thoughts. And 162 00:10:45.789 --> 00:10:48.509 it's my big it's my biggest one. It looks like a fond it can't 163 00:10:48.669 --> 00:10:54.379 decoration like there's realistic cakes. Maybe I should start a cake business selling hyper 164 00:10:54.460 --> 00:11:00.899 realistic fetus cakes and fulfill that dream. You wonder what these people have read 165 00:11:00.980 --> 00:11:05.210 or done in their life that gives them an imagination like that. Well, 166 00:11:05.250 --> 00:11:07.490 they're just bound in sin and they're wicked. And so you know, Jesus 167 00:11:07.529 --> 00:11:09.970 said from the from the depth of the heart, the mouth speaks. That's 168 00:11:11.009 --> 00:11:13.809 what's in these. It sounds like he and the person that told me to 169 00:11:13.929 --> 00:11:16.450 go home need to get together. Yeah, and very sitting they may be. 170 00:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.360 Now this one, I have to tell you, okay, I actually 171 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.679 made me laugh, okay, and it's pretty funny and and so I wanted 172 00:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.320 to bless you with it as well. I can't. I can't pronounce their 173 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:31.720 name, start to the be or whatever. It's not a bad word, 174 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.350 but I just can't pronounce it's the bunch of letters. But okay, this 175 00:11:35.549 --> 00:11:39.549 is titled Killed My Grandma. Oh yeah, and this the one star review 176 00:11:39.549 --> 00:11:43.309 as well. Like all of them, I've read this podcast was so bad 177 00:11:43.470 --> 00:11:48.379 that it caused my granmall to go into anaphylactic shock and die of boredom. 178 00:11:48.419 --> 00:11:54.820 Chill. anyways, black lives matter and pro choice for life. Cat Emoji, 179 00:11:54.940 --> 00:12:00.299 Cat Emoji, painting your nails Emoji. It's this one killed, killed 180 00:12:00.340 --> 00:12:05.409 her grandma and elected. Yes, she was apparently allergic to the truth. 181 00:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.730 She was aller, and I understand. Listen, you're and your sin. 182 00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:11.129 You're allergic to the truth. I get it. I was like that at 183 00:12:11.169 --> 00:12:15.840 one point in my life. Yeah, and then I'll just kind of wrap 184 00:12:15.919 --> 00:12:20.240 it up with this awesome review. Okay, did really blesses my heart. 185 00:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.279 And this is from Cam one, two, three, four, five, 186 00:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.480 six, seven, eight, nine, one or nine hundred ten, communist 187 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:33.710 podcast, Communist, and this is also a one star review. This podcast 188 00:12:33.830 --> 00:12:41.149 is communist and run by Communist. God hates communists and I think God hates 189 00:12:41.269 --> 00:12:46.419 communism, that's for sure. And we're not communist, by the way. 190 00:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.460 Yes, actually not even really talked about communism a little bit in a podcast 191 00:12:50.539 --> 00:12:54.500 we did a couple of months ago and anyway, that was fun. So 192 00:12:54.700 --> 00:12:58.210 I hope that blessed you, guys. Hope you just see kind of the 193 00:12:58.250 --> 00:13:01.970 spirit of some of these these pro choice people, and of course many of 194 00:13:03.049 --> 00:13:05.409 them are just being way over the top to try to get a reaction out 195 00:13:05.450 --> 00:13:09.169 of us. Yep, whatever, we waste your you can waste your breath 196 00:13:09.169 --> 00:13:13.200 if you want, waste your typing ability. Thank you to bring our ranks. 197 00:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.000 Thank you for bringing us up in the rankings. It's it's a blessing 198 00:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.240 to us. But let's jump into our subject. Okay, that was not 199 00:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.320 very encouraging. This is maybe not going to be very encouraging, but it's 200 00:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.389 real again, this is real life that not all stories turn out good. 201 00:13:28.429 --> 00:13:33.470 We share the stories that do a lot of times on social media, in 202 00:13:33.629 --> 00:13:35.669 blog posts and things like that, in order to encourage people, to show 203 00:13:35.750 --> 00:13:39.149 what God is doing. And even in some of the stories that we share 204 00:13:39.990 --> 00:13:43.779 there's some things happening behind the scenes that are not all, you know, 205 00:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.379 roses and glory, right. There's see stuff. There's some people that come 206 00:13:48.460 --> 00:13:52.419 to an abortion center. Yeah, typically have pretty messy stuff going on and 207 00:13:52.460 --> 00:13:56.610 let's be honest, yeah, we've got some messy stuff going on our lives 208 00:13:56.649 --> 00:13:58.129 too. We've got some stuff that we need to help with and people to 209 00:13:58.250 --> 00:14:03.370 help the body of Christ to help us through. Yeah, and so it's 210 00:14:03.409 --> 00:14:07.210 no different from the good stories, but the bad stories a lot of times 211 00:14:07.289 --> 00:14:09.840 can get us down. But, as I said when we started out, 212 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.799 sometimes the good stories can get people down. And what I mean by that 213 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.080 as we have missionaries, were raising up missionaries across the country, across the 214 00:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.360 world that are going out to their abortion centers. We're training him here in 215 00:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.990 Charlotte, we're sending them out and they're bearing some awesome fruit. Many of 216 00:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.149 them are seeing baby saves soon as they get back to their home city, 217 00:14:28.830 --> 00:14:31.870 but some aren't seeing baby saved and they can be discouraged and think, well, 218 00:14:33.269 --> 00:14:35.950 maybe I'm not doing something right, right, but maybe this is wrong. 219 00:14:35.149 --> 00:14:39.580 It's only if only Vicky and Daniel would write. Yeah, because what's 220 00:14:39.580 --> 00:14:41.460 going on in Charlotte? That's not happening here, so maybe it's something wrong 221 00:14:41.500 --> 00:14:43.940 with me. Yeah, but we're going to encourage you. Got I mean, 222 00:14:45.100 --> 00:14:48.379 one of the things is we have a very busy abortion center. Yeah, 223 00:14:48.500 --> 00:14:50.740 we've got twenty five to thirty babies that are dying at this abortion center. 224 00:14:50.779 --> 00:14:54.330 If we did a ratio right of how many babies are save versus how 225 00:14:54.370 --> 00:15:00.210 many babies are dying, we would, in comparison, be pretty dismal failures 226 00:15:00.769 --> 00:15:05.090 and and just not doing very well. Right again, the victory is in 227 00:15:05.210 --> 00:15:09.000 obedience. But sometimes that, which is intended to be an encouragement to us, 228 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.399 can actually be a discouragement because, yeah, they've got that going on 229 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.840 in Charlotte, but that's not happening here. It can happen on social media 230 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.399 with parents who you know. You got your friends who share about how great 231 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.509 their kids are doing. Your homeschool and your kids and and and you want 232 00:15:22.549 --> 00:15:26.629 to be encouraged, and yet this homeschool family is doing so much better than 233 00:15:26.669 --> 00:15:31.309 you are. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, things you're not going that great 234 00:15:31.309 --> 00:15:33.549 either for them. But they're sharing the good things and that's what we tend 235 00:15:33.549 --> 00:15:35.940 to do. We tend to share the good things that happen and we gravitate 236 00:15:37.019 --> 00:15:39.139 away from sharing the bad things. We're going to share some of the bad 237 00:15:39.139 --> 00:15:41.779 things, right and but one of the one of the bad sites of that 238 00:15:41.580 --> 00:15:46.019 that you described on social media, and it's true, I think, even 239 00:15:46.100 --> 00:15:50.610 in US sharing the good stories, is you feel like there's these superstars, 240 00:15:50.809 --> 00:15:56.929 yeah, who can do everything right and and that's just never the case. 241 00:15:56.250 --> 00:16:00.649 It is not true and it doesn't at like you said, it's not whether 242 00:16:00.730 --> 00:16:06.799 we do things even right or wrong. It's has God prepared that heart and 243 00:16:06.960 --> 00:16:12.879 that woman has her her own conscience and whatever she's going through. So the 244 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:18.000 decision is not ours. We're just showing up. And both of these stories 245 00:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.309 that we're going to share today that did not turn out well. I was 246 00:16:21.389 --> 00:16:26.190 the counselor they did not turn out well. Yeah, so the first one 247 00:16:27.230 --> 00:16:33.340 was very interesting, probably the hardest case I've ever dealt with. Okay, 248 00:16:33.740 --> 00:16:38.100 and I've been out there now eight years, and this one really was, 249 00:16:38.659 --> 00:16:42.019 was rough. I don't I honestly don't know why she pulled over. She 250 00:16:42.179 --> 00:16:47.100 pulled over for one of our newer counselors. Leah, is that counselor's name, 251 00:16:47.450 --> 00:16:52.210 and I'll call this woman Marcia. So Marcy pulled over, talked with 252 00:16:52.330 --> 00:16:57.649 Leah for a little while and then Leah knew this is kind of complicated, 253 00:16:57.730 --> 00:17:03.279 so she brought the woman to me and the woman drove her car over to 254 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.759 where I was standing. I went to talk with her. She has several 255 00:17:07.839 --> 00:17:19.069 other children and she was homeless. The boyfriend was homeless and Marcy had schizophrenia. 256 00:17:19.349 --> 00:17:25.190 Okay, unmedicated in fact, because of issues not being able to get 257 00:17:25.230 --> 00:17:30.019 Medicaid and not yet. And so she's got a very serious mental illness. 258 00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:37.779 Lots of other kids, no family, I don't believe, around other than 259 00:17:37.859 --> 00:17:44.259 this boyfriend who actually didn't want her to abort the child. But she was 260 00:17:45.369 --> 00:17:48.210 off her meds. Was Schizophrenia. And so she you would see that the 261 00:17:48.289 --> 00:17:52.890 mental illness would sometimes be speaking. Yeah, sometimes she'd beat more coherent. 262 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:59.960 She started off really angry, very defensive, very paranoid, and as the 263 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.720 conversation evolved I first fall. It was as the conversation evolved that I found 264 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:10.359 out about the schizophrenia. But she was able to list the major obstacles and 265 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:15.109 and we were able to say hey, we have resources that can help you. 266 00:18:15.670 --> 00:18:22.230 We scheduled an ultrasound for her and she was all set to drive to 267 00:18:22.589 --> 00:18:27.819 that it. She had to go some distance because our ultrasound was not out 268 00:18:27.859 --> 00:18:33.539 that day, our mobile ultrasound unit. So got that all set up. 269 00:18:33.220 --> 00:18:37.539 Told her about the mentorship program through Love Life Charlotte and that we were going 270 00:18:37.700 --> 00:18:41.970 to sign her up for that. The next day we would call her and 271 00:18:41.170 --> 00:18:48.210 we would also ask her about how the ultrasound went. So it that night. 272 00:18:48.490 --> 00:18:52.009 She didn't pick up the phone. The next day she still didn't pick 273 00:18:52.049 --> 00:18:57.400 up the phone. I had assigned her to Leah to work out the Ment 274 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.960 Council, the new councilor to work out the mentorship program with her, because 275 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.920 everything else was done. She she was on on board, the boyfriend was 276 00:19:06.039 --> 00:19:07.519 on board, they had gone off to see their baby, as far as 277 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:14.269 we knew, and several days went by. Lee was all prepared. Several 278 00:19:14.269 --> 00:19:17.309 days go by, we still haven't heard anything from her. We assume she's 279 00:19:17.349 --> 00:19:23.859 aborted. Yeah, and then out of the blue she called me and left 280 00:19:26.619 --> 00:19:29.619 a message that when I think was a nice message, I kind of get 281 00:19:29.700 --> 00:19:33.299 them mixed up, but saying she did want an ultrasound so apparently had not 282 00:19:33.380 --> 00:19:38.369 been to the first ultrasound. I encourage her to please contact Leah and and 283 00:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.089 be signed up for the mannorship program and we would try and arrange the ultrasound. 284 00:19:42.130 --> 00:19:47.250 And while she did contactly, and while she was talking to Leah, 285 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:52.329 threatened to commit suicide well, and just was flipping out and then the phone 286 00:19:52.329 --> 00:19:56.119 went dead. So Leah contacted me. Please call her right away. I'm 287 00:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.240 so worried. I'm so scared. I did. She was still upset, 288 00:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.039 but not she had calmed down and by the end of our discussion, then 289 00:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.430 she's back on track. She's going to get the mentorship program, she's gonna 290 00:20:10.309 --> 00:20:15.509 she we set up a new ultrasound and to get her her medication. That 291 00:20:15.670 --> 00:20:19.029 was the part of the things that I outlined. I outline things that she 292 00:20:19.109 --> 00:20:22.819 needed to do immediately and one of those was we needed to get her on 293 00:20:22.980 --> 00:20:30.579 medications. We for this very significant mental illness. So our pro life doctor 294 00:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.819 who works with us, he agreed to call all her and talk with her 295 00:20:33.859 --> 00:20:37.329 about what medication she could take and told told us she should go immediately to 296 00:20:37.369 --> 00:20:41.250 the ear. Yeah, talking about medications she could take in light of being 297 00:20:41.289 --> 00:20:44.930 pregnant. And that's what exactly I'm sorry, yes, exactly, and so 298 00:20:45.009 --> 00:20:52.839 so she I assume that she had gone to the ear because late, late 299 00:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.960 that night I was sleeping. But late that night I got a phone call. 300 00:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.319 I could not begin to repeat all the words that were used, and 301 00:21:00.839 --> 00:21:07.630 she left a message just furious and spewing hate and anger, saying that that 302 00:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.829 the medication that we had told her could not be taken while pregnant and just 303 00:21:12.150 --> 00:21:17.549 and we don't do anything we've promised, even though everything that we had promised 304 00:21:17.990 --> 00:21:21.460 was through the mentor and the she had not yet. Can't, you know, 305 00:21:21.579 --> 00:21:25.980 followed through on the mentorship program yeah, anyway, so I thought that's 306 00:21:26.019 --> 00:21:27.779 probably the last time going to hear from her or but I did. I 307 00:21:27.859 --> 00:21:32.700 did actually text her a nice note the next morning saying we'd love to help 308 00:21:32.740 --> 00:21:36.049 you, just give me a call when you're ready. Yeah, and a 309 00:21:37.289 --> 00:21:42.049 long time goes by and we find out later that she had actually gone to 310 00:21:42.250 --> 00:21:45.849 that ultrasound that first day. Okay, so she went right from the abortions 311 00:21:45.890 --> 00:21:49.319 and yeah, it just like we told her too. But she was found 312 00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.440 not pregnant. Okay, it was not pregnant. So all of that anger 313 00:21:53.880 --> 00:22:00.200 and everything was while she's not pregnant and she knew she wasn't pretty. seither 314 00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.150 you, unless you know she does have schizophrenia, so maybe something, but 315 00:22:06.750 --> 00:22:12.230 but so, so that that ended. At that point I thought the story 316 00:22:12.390 --> 00:22:18.140 was over and before I knew that she was not pregnant, I was certain 317 00:22:18.180 --> 00:22:23.380 that she had just gone and aborted the baby. Yeah, but but then 318 00:22:23.819 --> 00:22:29.819 some sometime we were all discouraged. Leah was discouraged. I had thought this 319 00:22:29.980 --> 00:22:33.130 was going to be a great learning experience for Lee and it turned out to 320 00:22:33.329 --> 00:22:40.170 be traumatic for Boileia or other counselor, and we had offered so much to 321 00:22:40.329 --> 00:22:44.250 this woman. She didn't follow the steps necessary to avail ourselves of them. 322 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:49.519 But we'd offered all of this and she had disregarded and then lied to us. 323 00:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.039 Yeah, lied to us about whether she was pregnant or not. And 324 00:22:53.480 --> 00:22:59.509 so that was a story that was very disheartening. It it did not turn 325 00:22:59.549 --> 00:23:03.990 out well and it was one of those impossible situations. We didn't really quite 326 00:23:03.069 --> 00:23:07.750 know what to do. Yeah, and this is a story that initially we 327 00:23:07.869 --> 00:23:11.349 were like, praise Lord, Lea, being a brand new counselor, had 328 00:23:11.470 --> 00:23:15.940 this interaction right turned out good. The lady left from driving, she was 329 00:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.700 driving to the abortion center, basically cut a one hundred and eighty degree turn 330 00:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.700 in the road and turn back around to go to the pregnancy center. Did 331 00:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.690 and initially we're like, praise God, God use this new counselor who had 332 00:23:26.730 --> 00:23:32.369 just stepped out Yep in and kind of a really uncomfortable area. I mean 333 00:23:32.769 --> 00:23:37.289 do aministrate an abortion clinic is very uncomfortable for anybody, yeah, but especially 334 00:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.440 a young lady like her to write. And so we were encouraged initially and 335 00:23:41.559 --> 00:23:47.319 then then later own discouraged by the interactions. Is this. Yeah, he 336 00:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.400 brought about, and so I will be very honest, some of the the 337 00:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.519 issues that went through my head, where this is a woman with several children, 338 00:23:55.559 --> 00:24:02.309 a significant mental illness, yeah, pregnant, already, showing and UNMEDICATED, 339 00:24:02.349 --> 00:24:07.069 showing the volatility emotionally and all I was thinking, what is going to 340 00:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.259 happen to this poor baby? Yeah, that that she's carrying in her roomb 341 00:24:11.339 --> 00:24:14.900 yeah, right now, and you really start to question, not only did 342 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.660 I do everything right, but was he even right in doing anything right? 343 00:24:18.700 --> 00:24:22.619 Yeah, and I you know, ultimately I do believe that I was. 344 00:24:22.900 --> 00:24:26.890 Well, that's something I want us to want us to just hang right there 345 00:24:26.930 --> 00:24:30.930 for a second so that people understand that these are real struggles that we have 346 00:24:32.049 --> 00:24:34.410 in our mind. That's right. That's right, because we've dealt with situations 347 00:24:34.490 --> 00:24:41.400 where we've got a family who, maybe it's a single mom that has six 348 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.039 kids. I'm thinking of a particular situation. Yeah, a young lady that 349 00:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.920 has six kids. Yeah, she's like in her mid S. Wow, 350 00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:56.269 wow, and six kids, pregnant again. Yeah, the kids all have 351 00:24:56.430 --> 00:25:00.750 different father's. Yeah, and it's like wow, you look at that situation, 352 00:25:00.869 --> 00:25:03.670 you like, wow, if there ever was a situation where I could 353 00:25:03.670 --> 00:25:06.789 put my stamp of approval on abortion, this would be one. Yeah, 354 00:25:06.789 --> 00:25:08.819 because this kid is not going to dis like the other kids, not going 355 00:25:08.859 --> 00:25:14.339 to know his dad, her dad. Yeah, going to be raised in 356 00:25:14.380 --> 00:25:19.940 a very challenging scenario. Yeah, and who knows what's going to be the 357 00:25:21.019 --> 00:25:26.690 outcome. However, we always have to remember it and we're training our sidewalk 358 00:25:26.769 --> 00:25:30.450 counselors and we're training new sidewalk missionaries. We always touch on this point when 359 00:25:30.450 --> 00:25:36.599 we deal with the hard cases, hard cases like that, like bad fetal 360 00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.519 diagnosis and things like that. It was always have to remember that abortion is 361 00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:45.640 never the answer because abortion kills an innocent person. We always have to keep 362 00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:51.349 that in mind. Abortion is never the solution, and God is always a 363 00:25:51.710 --> 00:25:55.109 consideration in our minds. So we can say, well, this kid is, 364 00:25:55.509 --> 00:25:57.869 you know, number seven of six kids at all have a different father, 365 00:25:57.910 --> 00:26:04.660 very difficult situation and, humanly speaking, yet it's impossible for any good 366 00:26:04.660 --> 00:26:07.819 to come out of that. But we're not humanly speaking. We have to 367 00:26:07.900 --> 00:26:15.019 speak from the perspective that there is a God that oversees his creation and it 368 00:26:15.140 --> 00:26:18.609 has a plan and a purpose for every person that he creates and we don't 369 00:26:18.650 --> 00:26:22.410 get to play God. That's right, and these scenarios that we encounter, 370 00:26:22.609 --> 00:26:26.089 difficult as they might be, we don't get to play God and we don't 371 00:26:26.089 --> 00:26:29.490 get to choose who has value and who doesn't. It doesn't matter. It 372 00:26:29.849 --> 00:26:33.039 matters in the sense that we care about this mom, we care about her 373 00:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.480 struggles, the mental issues that she's struggling with, and we care about that 374 00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.599 baby that maybe is going to be brought into those mental struggles. But those 375 00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.799 that that particular situation does not dictate the value of that child. That child 376 00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.549 still is loved by God and known by him. Yeah, and it's still 377 00:26:49.670 --> 00:26:53.109 wrong to kill him or her. Yeah, and I'm so glad that you've 378 00:26:53.190 --> 00:26:57.230 said all that and because that's so true and that's that's where we have to 379 00:26:57.349 --> 00:27:02.740 keep coming back. But I also think it is maybe, in a weird 380 00:27:02.740 --> 00:27:07.059 way, encouraging for others to know that here. You know, we've had 381 00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:11.500 a lot of success out here, I would say, in literal numbers of 382 00:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.569 babies saved and and I've been doing this a long time and it did go 383 00:27:15.890 --> 00:27:21.210 through my mind, should I even be talking to this woman about saving her 384 00:27:21.250 --> 00:27:25.369 baby? Yeah, did. Yeah, now I overcame that okay, and 385 00:27:26.089 --> 00:27:29.490 I still stayed true to what I felt God had called me to do. 386 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:36.000 But I think we all probably have those moments of just yourself questioning and doubt 387 00:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.680 and wondering, is it okay what I'm doing? Yeah, and ultimately, 388 00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.680 as you described, of course it is, and of course it's not only 389 00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.470 thing, it's command. It commanded. Yeah, and you know again we 390 00:27:47.549 --> 00:27:51.710 can kind of get wrapped up in kind of our emotions and what our emotions 391 00:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.710 dictate to us. That's why is Christians, our emotions can never be the 392 00:27:55.869 --> 00:28:00.259 standard, right, if our emotions are the standard, then we wouldn't be 393 00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.980 out there at all. If our emotions are the standard, then we would 394 00:28:03.980 --> 00:28:08.099 be okay with babies being killed because they're product of rape or incest or the 395 00:28:08.220 --> 00:28:11.740 health of the mother. That's where you get in and pro life folks, 396 00:28:12.089 --> 00:28:15.769 so called pro life people, that leave allowances for those things. It's because 397 00:28:15.769 --> 00:28:21.410 they're driven by their emotions. And they talk about an emotional situation where a 398 00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:26.210 woman is a victim of rape and we can't quite possibly tell her that she 399 00:28:26.289 --> 00:28:29.880 needs to carry that baby to term. Well, we can, because the 400 00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.559 Bible says that every human being is made in God's image and it doesn't give 401 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.680 exceptions in their human beings, who result of rape or not? Yeah, 402 00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.509 valuable. It didn't say that right. Human beings are valuable in the sight 403 00:28:41.589 --> 00:28:44.589 of God because we're made in God's image. So again, we can't be 404 00:28:44.750 --> 00:28:49.309 led by our feelings, by our emotions. The Bible is our firm foundation 405 00:28:49.349 --> 00:28:52.470 and that's why you were able to go. And it's not like there were 406 00:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.940 some big struggle in your mind really of whether or not you should talk to 407 00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:59.180 this mom. You knew that you should, but there's this human kind of 408 00:28:59.220 --> 00:29:03.460 propensity to be led by emotions and you just push that to the side because 409 00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:07.180 your foundation is in the word of God, right, not in humanitarian efforts 410 00:29:07.299 --> 00:29:12.529 or or utilitarian ideas and all that stuff, but in the scriptures. Yeah, 411 00:29:12.809 --> 00:29:18.130 and while this sort of hurts the premise of the podcast, I do 412 00:29:18.329 --> 00:29:23.359 have to say that as a recently this woman found out that she had a 413 00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:30.920 condition that made the pregnancy test negative. Okay, but she did go to 414 00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:36.960 the AR, she did get her medication. It turns out she is pregnant. 415 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.069 Our discussion with her and the Boyfriend, which was very gospel focused, 416 00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.990 did change her heart. Now she without a doubt was not going to abort 417 00:29:47.309 --> 00:29:51.990 this baby. She was full on wanting the child and she signed up for 418 00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:56.900 the love life mentorship program so, which has significant health thanks. kind of 419 00:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.140 found this out time. I just found this how today, to tell you 420 00:29:59.140 --> 00:30:02.900 the truth. So this, this was an and I think that raises another 421 00:30:03.140 --> 00:30:07.250 really critical point. Stories that turn out bad maybe didn't turn out bad. 422 00:30:07.329 --> 00:30:11.529 Yeah, we don't always hear the end of the store asolutely. So just 423 00:30:12.170 --> 00:30:15.410 know that God can work a miracle because if this, if there was ever 424 00:30:15.450 --> 00:30:19.250 a miracle worked, in my opinion, it was how this story, at 425 00:30:19.289 --> 00:30:22.759 least thus far. It could change tomorrow. Sure. Yeah, absolutely now, 426 00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.559 and that's one of the things that I encourage our counselors with all the 427 00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.359 time is that, yeah, you've poured into a young lady on the sidewalk 428 00:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.400 and she took your literature and she looked through it, she considered what you 429 00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.549 had to say and then she walked into those doors. That is still not 430 00:30:37.190 --> 00:30:40.349 a for sure. She chose abortion. She walks in those doors. We've 431 00:30:40.349 --> 00:30:44.069 had MOMS who, months later, drove back to the clinic to let us 432 00:30:44.109 --> 00:30:47.549 know that they were there and they left after we'd left and chose live. 433 00:30:47.710 --> 00:30:51.420 So we should never give up hope and again, the victory is always in 434 00:30:51.579 --> 00:30:56.420 obeying God and giving the truth. I told one pro abortion person today she 435 00:30:56.539 --> 00:30:59.859 was trying to discourage me by saying, you know, I was calling out 436 00:30:59.900 --> 00:31:02.539 to a lady going in, caught out to actually several, and she said 437 00:31:02.980 --> 00:31:04.609 you've not gotten anyone to come over and all you you've gotten. You've not 438 00:31:04.730 --> 00:31:08.450 gotten anyone to to take you up on your offers to to get information or 439 00:31:08.450 --> 00:31:11.690 anything like that. I said, listen, I'm just the mail man. 440 00:31:12.089 --> 00:31:15.609 I'm here to deliver the mail. Right, it's not. I can't open 441 00:31:15.650 --> 00:31:18.240 the mail for him. Right. I'm just delivering the mail. So we 442 00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.400 kind of give that as an example of what we're out there to do, 443 00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.839 whether to deliverence. By the way, I heard that our sink. I'm 444 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.680 going to use that. The mailman, he doesn't have anything to do with 445 00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.400 it. Well or not it's open, he just delivers it and that's what 446 00:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.839 we're here to do, to deliver the mountain. Now I hope and pray 447 00:31:33.269 --> 00:31:34.869 that they do open the mail, that do take what we're delivering to them 448 00:31:34.950 --> 00:31:40.549 the truth, and they open it up and listen and contemplated and many do 449 00:31:41.230 --> 00:31:45.630 unfortunately, many don't. So let's jump into another story that and it's maybe 450 00:31:45.069 --> 00:31:48.980 didn't end well. Yes, as far as far as we know. So 451 00:31:48.099 --> 00:31:56.819 this was a woman who came out of of the abortion center. She comes 452 00:31:56.900 --> 00:32:02.410 through the bushes to come towards our counselors and said that she had chosen life. 453 00:32:02.529 --> 00:32:06.369 Yeah, that I don't know if it was things that she had heard. 454 00:32:06.369 --> 00:32:08.809 I think it was for through all of our calling out that day. 455 00:32:08.890 --> 00:32:15.289 So she comes to the bushes to US crying. Our whole counseling group just 456 00:32:15.490 --> 00:32:20.559 we all surrounded her and just the spirit of God filled us and we all 457 00:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.640 just surrounded her and hugged her. We all prayed in a huddle around her, 458 00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.039 hugging her. Yeah, remember that. She was very like moved by 459 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.309 the fact that we were we were there in encouraging yeah, Yeahd you guys 460 00:32:32.390 --> 00:32:35.869 were here, right. She initially said, I think, that she was 461 00:32:35.910 --> 00:32:38.549 angry that we were there. Right, but what we said ultimately, she 462 00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:43.190 said, pierced her hard and she chose not to have the abortion. Yeah. 463 00:32:43.309 --> 00:32:45.500 Yeah, so she was inviting us to come and pray over her, 464 00:32:45.579 --> 00:32:50.660 and did and and and she's he and I started. She had not even 465 00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:53.019 asked for any help yet, but I started sharing with her all the help 466 00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:58.650 that we had and she started crying again and saying she couldn't believe it and 467 00:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.289 just was overwhelmed by all that we were offering and was so excited and she 468 00:33:05.970 --> 00:33:09.490 had truly made a hundred eighty degree turn around to now. You know, 469 00:33:09.650 --> 00:33:13.720 you guys need to be out there all the time, every day, which 470 00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.279 we are. Yeah, but because you're so valuable, she would have aborted 471 00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.839 her baby and she said that it was us being there that had made the 472 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.799 difference and turned her to life. So she and her boyfriend drive away and 473 00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.549 we're all cheering and overjoyed. Yeah, we were just delighted. Everybody's, 474 00:33:30.670 --> 00:33:36.950 you know, praising God and saying Hallelujah and word for victory exactly. And 475 00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:40.390 we go and the glorious part of it for me was, I mean baby 476 00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:44.339 was saved. That was awesome. But it happened right in front of the 477 00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:46.099 pro abortion people. I say that, you know, nobody wants to talk 478 00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:50.019 to you and all this. I Ha. Yeah, take that. Yeah, 479 00:33:50.059 --> 00:33:52.859 that's right. Not that we glow tweed, never go try, not 480 00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:58.490 the right, but the grace of yeah, but anyway, so I'm at 481 00:33:58.569 --> 00:34:02.569 home and that it's like going on towards dinner time and I get a call 482 00:34:04.009 --> 00:34:07.170 from one of our councilors. It said, Vickie, I hate to be 483 00:34:07.329 --> 00:34:09.960 the person to tell you this, but I just drove back by the abortion 484 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:17.079 center and that woman from that morning she's back. She's the last one they're 485 00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.590 she's coming out of the abortion center and she is with the boyfriend and I 486 00:34:23.630 --> 00:34:27.590 said, are you positive it's her? They they were so, yeah, 487 00:34:27.710 --> 00:34:30.190 Oh, yeah. So now I knew how far along this woman was. 488 00:34:30.469 --> 00:34:35.630 I knew she was sixteen weeks, which is probably a two day procedure, 489 00:34:35.710 --> 00:34:39.699 and in the first day procedure they put in the seaweed stomach our Lamin area, 490 00:34:42.139 --> 00:34:49.739 which softens the Cervix and allows the abortionist two more easily enter and remove. 491 00:34:49.940 --> 00:34:52.050 Maybe this is a basic teaching moment to rabbit trail real quick, because 492 00:34:52.050 --> 00:34:57.130 it is helpful that we understand abortion procedures. Yes, and so this young 493 00:34:57.170 --> 00:35:00.170 lady be in sixteen weeks is kind of right at the threshold, or they 494 00:35:00.170 --> 00:35:04.530 would have to do a two day abortion right procedure. And ultimately what they've 495 00:35:04.530 --> 00:35:07.079 got to do that they've got to expand the cervix in such a way where 496 00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.639 they can get the instruments in there to dismember the baby. At that point 497 00:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.000 the baby's is pretty big. It's as team weeks until whether or not it's 498 00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.000 a boy or girl at that point. Yeah, and so the Lemon area 499 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.989 are basically little seaweed rods that expand with moisture, and so they will insert 500 00:35:22.590 --> 00:35:27.190 three, four five of those into the cervix. They're really small until they 501 00:35:27.230 --> 00:35:31.070 get moisture and then they expand and then, you know, it takes twelve 502 00:35:31.230 --> 00:35:36.380 hours or so, I guess, for them to expand to the point where 503 00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:38.139 ultimately, on the next day she'll go back, the doctor will remove the 504 00:35:38.179 --> 00:35:43.699 lemon area the service is expanded enough where he can get other tools in there 505 00:35:43.780 --> 00:35:45.739 to expand it a little further and then get the instruments in there. Right 506 00:35:45.860 --> 00:35:47.980 and a child. So she was at the first day of that. It 507 00:35:49.139 --> 00:35:52.809 was sheep. I assumed. I didn't know because I hadn't talked to her, 508 00:35:52.889 --> 00:35:57.289 but I that was my assumption and assumption that that hopefully was going to 509 00:35:57.329 --> 00:36:00.449 save that baby's life, because the lemon area do not harm the child. 510 00:36:00.650 --> 00:36:02.449 Yeah, what it does is it we can see the cervix, which is 511 00:36:02.530 --> 00:36:08.920 not good and some women do spontaneously aboard because the cervix has been weakened so 512 00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:14.920 much and so they they can't hold the baby in. Yeah, but but 513 00:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.389 knowing that, I texted her right away and I said I know that you 514 00:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.630 were back at the abortion center. One of our councilors saw you. Was 515 00:36:23.030 --> 00:36:28.349 Was it the first day of a two day procedure? And she admitted it 516 00:36:28.670 --> 00:36:31.309 was, and she told me why she had returned and I must say again, 517 00:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.099 you know, I understood. Yeah, I don't. I didn't, 518 00:36:36.539 --> 00:36:39.539 you know, I didn't say it was okay, but but I understood why. 519 00:36:39.659 --> 00:36:45.260 She was being black backmailed by the the dad of the baby with some 520 00:36:45.380 --> 00:36:52.530 pretty horrific things and she just was terrified. So she but she told me 521 00:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.449 it was day one and I explained about the Lamin area. said she could 522 00:36:55.570 --> 00:37:00.809 reverse that, she could have those removed, go to an r immediately. 523 00:37:00.929 --> 00:37:04.960 We would have our pro life Dr Call and console with her, but those, 524 00:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.519 they could be removed, the baby would be safe. She had already 525 00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.719 started home, which was, I don't know, an hour away, and 526 00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.559 she said when she would go to the hospital nearer home and our pro life 527 00:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.429 doctor said she would be fine. Yeah, he told us. He's actually 528 00:37:17.510 --> 00:37:22.469 removed those rods. The next day and the baby's fine, but and the 529 00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:27.389 the servics just tightens back up goes back to normal. Yeah, so she 530 00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:32.380 even showed me on her gps the like, every few minutes an update of 531 00:37:32.460 --> 00:37:36.340 where her car was, how close she was the hospital she was. She 532 00:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.940 had not known it could be reverse. She had already regretted that she had 533 00:37:38.980 --> 00:37:45.769 put the had the Lamin area put in and she wanted to stop it and 534 00:37:45.010 --> 00:37:49.929 to go to the AR and try to save her baby. And so we 535 00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:55.250 texted a lot until it was getting she pulled into the ear and said we're 536 00:37:55.369 --> 00:37:59.360 here, and then I didn't hear from her. I text a few times 537 00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.320 but I didn't hear from her. From her, I went to bed praying 538 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.840 and hoping that everything was well. That night I got a text from apparently 539 00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:14.309 the boy friend, who said that they the baby was fine but they had 540 00:38:14.429 --> 00:38:19.550 decided they would return to kill the baby the next day. So I didn't 541 00:38:19.550 --> 00:38:22.590 get that text till early the next morning, like five am. I started 542 00:38:22.710 --> 00:38:29.300 texting back and texting everything I could think the the humanity, the baby are 543 00:38:29.420 --> 00:38:34.619 resources, the development of a sixteen week old and each center a video of 544 00:38:34.659 --> 00:38:38.139 a sixteen week old in the womb and description of what happens to that sixteen 545 00:38:38.139 --> 00:38:43.489 week old baby in an abortion everything. And what I got back almost right 546 00:38:43.530 --> 00:38:49.730 away was vile anger from the boyfriend, not from the mom, just saying 547 00:38:49.769 --> 00:38:54.650 leave us alone, and and and he said some really nasty, very maybe 548 00:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.599 similar things to the pro abortion theairies that we read. Yes, you know, 549 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.199 worse. And and again I just texted back, we're here to help, 550 00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.360 please don't kill your baby and let us help you. And then that 551 00:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.590 was it. I never never heard anything else. So the last text from 552 00:39:13.630 --> 00:39:19.230 the woman had been very sweet and overjoyed that the baby could be saved and 553 00:39:19.349 --> 00:39:24.579 kind, and then these ongoing text couple of text from the boyfriend were very 554 00:39:24.659 --> 00:39:29.179 nasty and they were going to kill the baby. The woman did not return 555 00:39:29.619 --> 00:39:32.099 to the abortion center the next day because I was there at least the littery 556 00:39:32.139 --> 00:39:37.500 abortion centers, right and she's already paid and I knew money was was tight. 557 00:39:37.730 --> 00:39:45.010 So I assume my my hopeful heart things maybe the boyfriend got ahold of 558 00:39:45.090 --> 00:39:49.809 the phone and that the woman really had had the Laminaria removed and just never 559 00:39:49.929 --> 00:39:52.730 got our phone back, but I'll never know. Yeah, but that was 560 00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.000 a an extremely discouraging story because, again, for kind of the same reason 561 00:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.920 as the prior story, we were all rejoicing that that we had overcome, 562 00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:10.269 with God, this really significantly difficult case. Yeah, and and then it 563 00:40:10.670 --> 00:40:15.230 turned around where it wasn't what we thought it was. Yes, yeah, 564 00:40:15.869 --> 00:40:20.309 yeah, and of course that's one. These are two of many stories that 565 00:40:20.349 --> 00:40:25.460 we could tell you, guys, and yet still we continue on. Right. 566 00:40:27.300 --> 00:40:30.260 These are stories. Some of the stories, like, we had to 567 00:40:30.380 --> 00:40:36.449 pick and choose because we don't want to shame the people that chose to apparently, 568 00:40:36.530 --> 00:40:38.409 for us, we know to chose to have an abortion. We don't 569 00:40:38.409 --> 00:40:43.769 want to just kind of plaster all the negative story and all that stuff. 570 00:40:43.809 --> 00:40:45.289 So some things, if we, if we shared some of the stories, 571 00:40:45.329 --> 00:40:50.000 we be sharing details because we have to. That would maybe show who the 572 00:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.519 person was and all of that. So we don't want to do that. 573 00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.800 So just take my word for it, guys. There's a lot of other 574 00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.920 stories that we could share. The didn't turn out like we hope that they 575 00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.360 would turn out. Yeah, however, we do have to remind ourselves that 576 00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:06.949 we're not out there for ourselves, we're not out there to make ourselves feel 577 00:41:06.949 --> 00:41:09.829 better about being Christians or whatever. We're out there for the Lord and again 578 00:41:09.869 --> 00:41:14.030 the victory is in obedience and we obey God. When we do what God 579 00:41:14.150 --> 00:41:16.070 us has said for us to do, give a voice to those that don't 580 00:41:16.070 --> 00:41:21.420 have a voice, then we're victorious in that, whether we see baby saved 581 00:41:21.460 --> 00:41:22.539 or not, whether we see I mean I think of a story. I 582 00:41:22.659 --> 00:41:27.420 think I've shared this story quite a few times on this podcast, maybe not, 583 00:41:28.179 --> 00:41:31.300 but of the mom of twins, eighteen week twins, who walked out 584 00:41:31.340 --> 00:41:35.530 of the abortion center on board the Mobile Ultra sound unit that was parked in 585 00:41:35.570 --> 00:41:39.010 front of the abortion center. This is some years ago, and the counselor 586 00:41:39.170 --> 00:41:44.369 and the nurse both poured into this young lady, I mean showed her every 587 00:41:44.489 --> 00:41:47.360 reason to trust the Lord, every resource that was available, all the things 588 00:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.800 that she was struggling with had answers and there was there were things that we 589 00:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.559 could point her to to show her that she didn't have to have the abortion. 590 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.840 She got the ultrasound. The counselor and the nurse both saw two babies 591 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.829 on that screen. She was eighteen weeks along, so you see everything. 592 00:42:01.869 --> 00:42:06.349 Yeah, fully developed. Little could tell whether it's a boy or girl. 593 00:42:06.789 --> 00:42:09.989 You could see all the fingers and toes. I mean you could see him 594 00:42:10.030 --> 00:42:15.179 sometimes sucking their thumb. Yeah, even earlier than that and even after all 595 00:42:15.219 --> 00:42:19.579 that was said and done, she stepped right off of that mobile unit, 596 00:42:19.739 --> 00:42:23.139 right off of that that Mobultra sound unit, walked into that abortion center, 597 00:42:23.219 --> 00:42:28.780 yeah, and began the process to kill those twins and from what we know, 598 00:42:29.300 --> 00:42:31.409 she went through it. But happened. So it's so discouraging. But 599 00:42:31.690 --> 00:42:35.610 you know, I want to read a verse that, or maybe you can 600 00:42:35.650 --> 00:42:39.289 read it. It's Second Corinthians twelve, yeah, versus nine through ten, 601 00:42:39.409 --> 00:42:49.280 because ultimately, I think what every sidewalk counselor will discover is that we cannot 602 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.440 do this it in our own strength through just simply cannot. We are weak, 603 00:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.389 we are only out there and able to withstand the highs and the lows 604 00:42:59.469 --> 00:43:04.829 and stories like this that could just cause such despair that we would quit. 605 00:43:05.230 --> 00:43:09.030 The only reason we don't is Christ, yeah, and and our allegiance to 606 00:43:09.110 --> 00:43:14.059 him and our belief that he has called us to this word. Yeah, 607 00:43:14.179 --> 00:43:19.659 absolutely. So this is the second or Second Corinthians twelve versus none through ten. 608 00:43:20.340 --> 00:43:22.059 And this is the Apostle Paul. He says and he said to me, 609 00:43:22.619 --> 00:43:27.730 my grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness. 610 00:43:28.369 --> 00:43:31.610 Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast in my weaknesses so that the 611 00:43:31.650 --> 00:43:37.449 power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore, I'm well content with weakness, 612 00:43:37.929 --> 00:43:42.000 with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's 613 00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.239 sake, for when I am weak, then I am strong. Yeah, 614 00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.159 and this is the the heart of the believer, right, that we understand 615 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.280 that we need the Lord. This is John Chapter Fifteen. Jesus said I 616 00:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.550 am the vine, you are the branches right apart from me. You can 617 00:44:00.630 --> 00:44:05.469 do nothing. The branches must have abide in the vine and then we'll bear 618 00:44:05.550 --> 00:44:08.230 fruit. And so I on't encourage you guys, as you're out there on 619 00:44:08.269 --> 00:44:14.980 the sidewalk and there's the stories, these discouraging stories come up and maybe you're 620 00:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.340 looking at what's going on at other cities. You're looking on what's going on 621 00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:22.699 here in Charlotte or or wherever else, and God's doing some amazing things across 622 00:44:22.739 --> 00:44:24.889 the nation, across the world, and Pro Life Ministry, Praise God for 623 00:44:25.010 --> 00:44:28.369 that. You're looking at some of that and you're like, well, that's 624 00:44:28.409 --> 00:44:31.409 not happening here or why? I had some stories I thought were good, 625 00:44:31.449 --> 00:44:34.369 but they didn't turn out so good. I want to encourage you these. 626 00:44:35.010 --> 00:44:37.760 We're all dealing with those, we all have those struggles, we all have 627 00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.320 those situations we have to deal with, but we have to stay tapped into 628 00:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.320 the true vine. We have to be motivated by love for God first and 629 00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.960 then, I of that flows a love for our neighbor, and we can 630 00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.469 remain faithful even in these difficult situations, even through these difficult stories that didn't 631 00:44:54.469 --> 00:44:58.670 turn out so good, because, after all, again it it's not about 632 00:44:58.670 --> 00:45:01.469 us, it's about the Lord, and we're called to be his hands, 633 00:45:01.550 --> 00:45:06.070 his feet and to be a voice for the voiceless, whether people are going 634 00:45:06.150 --> 00:45:08.980 to listen or not. That's right. So, with that guy's hope, 635 00:45:08.980 --> 00:45:13.219 you were encouraged. I hope this was a blessing to you. I hope 636 00:45:13.260 --> 00:45:15.179 that you will share this podcast and I hope that you will leave us a 637 00:45:15.300 --> 00:45:20.059 review. 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You can reach her at Vcasti Orgat cities for lifecom 646 00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.710 still, and we'd love to hear some suggestions of podcasts, some suggestions of 647 00:45:53.789 --> 00:45:57.949 things that maybe we could change in the podcast, maybe some things that we've 648 00:45:57.949 --> 00:46:00.309 done in the past you'd like for us to do again. Maybe liked US 649 00:46:00.389 --> 00:46:04.030 reading some of the pro abortion reviews and you want to hear more of that. 650 00:46:04.340 --> 00:46:06.739 There's plenty of them, so we can real a lot of them. 651 00:46:07.380 --> 00:46:09.500 But again, we hope this was a blessing you, guys, and until 652 00:46:09.539 --> 00:46:22.489 next time, God bless give me our love for love, give me our 653 00:46:22.809 --> 00:46:34.840 love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too 654 00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.320 precious and some that you