Not All Stories Turn Out Great

0:00 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me, Lord. I welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. As you know, we like to share from time to time the stories that happen on the sidewalk. A lot of times we share good stories, but in this podcast we're going to talk about some of those stories that didn't turn out so good. Stay with us, I felt show passis touch your welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. We appreciate you guys listening. We hope this podcast episode will be a blessing to you guys. We hope our previous episodes have been a blessing. We covered in the last two episodes the goodness of God.

0:47 Yeah, in light of some of the difficult situations that we face and quite possibly many of you guys that are listening face on a daily basis at the abortion centers, or weekly basis, however off when you're out there. We hope that was an encouragement to you guys and not a discouragement. And we got real in that podcast, or some of the stories, want story in particularly, that we shared, and we're going to get real in this podcast to yeah, we are. We're going to talk about how not all stories turn out good. We tend to share, and rightfully so, write the good stories that take place. Yeah, would encourage people. Yeah, people are encourage when a mom chooses life and this awesome story that really turns out awesome and God is glorified through it. And we want to encourage people and we want our counselors to know that their work is not in vain.

1:37 There are so there's definitely fruit, yeah, from all of their toil. Yeah, I want to encourage people in social media to get involved in their city. Hey, God's doing something here in Charlotte. He wants to do it in your city. Here's what he can do if you get on board. But I've discovered that sometimes what we mean for encouragement can actually be discouraging to people. Yeah, and so we don't mean to bring something discouraging order to encourage you, but we do want to kind of bring some balance to it and just let people know and understand that not all the situations that we deal with actually turn out good. We've had situations, and we've shared some of those, where we've had a mom that we've poured into, I mean given her every reason to choose life and she ends up going into the abortion center, right. So we're going to talk about that. Yeah, again, not to discourage you guys that are listening, to encourage you that even in spite of that, God is good, like our last two episodes, and Jesus is still doing stuff, his words still going forth, and we've always said the victory is in obedience. Right, it's not just in baby saved or soul saved, but it's in obeying God. Yeah, and then babies are saved and souls are saved out of our obedience to God. But before we jump into that, I wanted to have a little bit of fun.

2:49 Oh, okay, that's always fine. Now, you guys who've been listening for a while, maybe you haven't seen this. Some of you guys that are new, maybe you as you were looking through Itunes, and I think I've shared this a few times on our episodes. As we started out, just encouraging people to leave reviews. Is We've gotten trolled by some of our pro abortion opposition. We've got about sixteen hundred reviews on. That's past for a podcast like ours. Yeah, it's just two people pretty much with some microphones, right, and put a whole lot of production and trained broadcast professionals. Yeah, to one sixteen hundred reviews, especially when we're talking from Gospel Center pro life perspective. So it's kind of a neat niche sort of topic. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. The only thing is, as Thou sixteen hundred reviews, like one thou six hundred and seventy something or so.

3:38 At this point, about ninety nine percent of them are bad. There there one star reviews. Now I do well, I know for sure that the way things work is the more interactions with a podcast, so bad reviews are good reviews. It still pushes us up in the ranking. So those who I guess want to hurt us are actually helping us. Yeah, I've had a lot more listeners and we praise God for that. So what they meant for evil? God used it, got it. God used it for good. So, just like our last couple episodes, God is good. But what I wanted to do let's have a little fun with some of these reviews, because some of them are just playing nasty and I'm not going to repeat what they said in the reviews, but some of them are just Dang funny and kind of encouraging in one sense and, you know, just like a good laugh. So maybe this would give some of you guys a good half and will will get Vicki's reaction to some of these, because you haven't read all of these, but these are some of the reviews on our podcasts on itunes. The title of this one is disrespectful and it's a Onestar review.

4:36 All of these are going to be one star on star distress. Imagine making people feel bad for a boarding babies. I couldn't be me heart. Well, first and foremost, these are the pro choice people who say that it's not a baby, right, it's a fetus, it's a blob of tissue or a clump of cells. Yeah, except sometimes they slip up and admit that it's a baby, and she does here. This is from Cool K thirty four. Okay, so imagine making people feel bad for a boarding babies. HMM, imagine that. Imagine, I can imagine. We get paid to do that, apparently, make people feel bad this. This is from mad dog six hundred and eighty nine, and it's titled Pro Choice is pro woman. Okay, never heard that one before. Okay, well, here she says in her review I'm assuming it's a woman, all right, although I should maybe assume her gender. Okay, I guess. Or Yeah, their gender. Abortion is not murder. First of all, a fetus is not considered a human being and it's technically a parasite. Hang on to that for a second, because I want to talk about that. Second of all, even if a fetus were considered a human being, then abortion would still be okay, since it is in the woman's body, because bodily integrity protects it. Okay, since this is a religious podcast, did you know that God stated that a baby is alive when it takes its first breath? Therefore, while in the womb, it's technically not alive. Therefore, abortion is okay by the Bible. WHOO, a lot of deductions the falling up for

6:10 really he so I'll want to make a challenge. Yeah, I want to make a challenge because I made this challenge actually last Saturday was some of the pro pro choice people, because one of them told me this very thing. You know, the Bible teaches that it's not actually alive until it bring us first of breath. We actually did a podcast about that, so you guys can go back and listen to that. And so I asked him, this gentleman that told me he knew the Bible and he's raised on the Bible and this I said, show me where it says in the Bible that it's not a person until it takes his first breath. Right, of course he couldn't. He brought out some he could some some liberal he could not. He had some liberal scholar interpretation of some passage of scripture in the Old Testament. Okay, and so that's ridiculous. The Bible is clear that God knows us while we're in our mother's womb and all of that. But this point of it's technically a parasite. Yeah, technically. Now, what does the word technically mean to you? Technically? Well, I mean that there's like factual yeah, roof, you can into the technicalities of it. But yeah, actually, technically it's not a parasite. It's impossible for a creature to be a parasite of its own species, right, we know, just a parasite is always of a different species. That's a very good point. So that's IMPOL technically. You're correct to technically. I'm correct. Technically. Pro Choice is pro woman or mad dog. Six hundred and eighty nine. Technically you're incorrect. So so sorry to break that to you. Sorry, maybe you would consider revising that one. Maybe, maybe go back and revise that.

7:41 Let's read another one. There's one that actually I'm not going to read. That's too long. But they're trying to quote a first Corinthians Thirteen. No temptation is overtaken youth and that which is common, a man goes on to from what I gather, we shouldn't judge people. All its other stuff, but whatever. Another one we've never heard. Yeah, we did a whole podcast about this. Now this is from Hockey Zach, Hockey Zack. Hockey Zach wrote no heart. This is the title. No heart. It's a one star review as well. It has a baby, little emoji of a baby, a hammer hitting that baby and then an angel baby. So wonder what they mean in there. Hockey Hockey Zach, are you implying that we should hit babies with hammers? Well, it seems to be consistent. At least we can appreciate the consistency. Yeah, yeah, and the baby turns into an angel. So their theology needs some work. Theologically that's incorrect, but practically it shows the spirit of the whole pro abortion. Yeah, persuasion there. Right, I'll just read a few more these, just this, just for fun. This is a show you the spirit of these people, and some of you guys listen and you've already read some of these in your like shaking your head. So maybe this will encourage some of you guys who that are listening the like this podcast to leave us a five star review.

8:54 Yeah, it would maybe help us out to bring our ranking up from one sixteen hundred and some reviews with one star to maybe sixteen hundred some reviews of two stars. Maybe. Agree, anything's possibly, things possible. So this is from pastel him Koa Tooga. Okay, that's their name, and it's titled Go Home, Vicky, oh me. Yeah, it's specifically targets me, specifically targets you, vigre. Some of these actually particularly a many of these actually particularly target you. And this is. This says, in her review, or his review, whatever, I'll slurp up my dead baby like a Jello shot. Oh, I know, what a vile individual. I think that person called me. I'm serious, I'm a call yeah, about this. Okay, yeah, they're just out of their mind. A little bit sick. That's a little bit more than a little bit. But wait a minute, okay, it's not a baby. I thought it's just a battle of tissue. Right. Some yeah, sometimes, when you lie, see, when you lie, here's a list of for everybody. When you lie, you have to remember what you previously said. But if you tell the truth, you want have to worry about remember, right. So if you lie and say it's not a baby, it's a Blob of tissue, yeah, and obviously that's not true. Now, then you have to remember that phrase every time. Blab of tissue, Blob of tissue, because slurping up a Blab of tissue would probably die. And I don't have a problem with that. Baby, I got a problem. Yeah, this is from but we don't. So why do I have to go home? Well, she didn't say. Oh yeah, so you just go home. That's it, basically. This next one is from yummy fetus. Oh, there's a

10:26 lovely tile, these cannibalistic fetus eaters here, and this is Jello with a less than and then a three, so it's like a Kissy kind of thing. Okay, this is the one story review as well. Honestly, I'd love to eat an aborted fetus like I sup for from intrusive thoughts. And it's my big it's my biggest one. It looks like a fond it can't decoration like there's realistic cakes. Maybe I should start a cake business selling hyper realistic fetus cakes and fulfill that dream. You wonder what these people have read or done in their life that gives them an imagination like that. Well, they're just bound in sin and they're wicked. And so you know, Jesus said from the from the depth of the heart, the mouth speaks. That's what's in these. It sounds like he and the person that told me to go home need to get together. Yeah, and very sitting they may be.

11:16 Now this one, I have to tell you, okay, I actually made me laugh, okay, and it's pretty funny and and so I wanted to bless you with it as well. I can't. I can't pronounce their name, start to the be or whatever. It's not a bad word, but I just can't pronounce it's the bunch of letters. But okay, this is titled Killed My Grandma. Oh yeah, and this the one star review as well. Like all of them, I've read this podcast was so bad that it caused my granmall to go into anaphylactic shock and die of boredom. Chill. anyways, black lives matter and pro choice for life. Cat Emoji, Cat Emoji, painting your nails Emoji. It's this one killed, killed her grandma and elected. Yes, she was apparently allergic to the truth.

12:05 She was aller, and I understand. Listen, you're and your sin. You're allergic to the truth. I get it. I was like that at one point in my life. Yeah, and then I'll just kind of wrap it up with this awesome review. Okay, did really blesses my heart. And this is from Cam one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, one or nine hundred ten, communist podcast, Communist, and this is also a one star review. This podcast is communist and run by Communist. God hates communists and I think God hates communism, that's for sure. And we're not communist, by the way.

12:46 Yes, actually not even really talked about communism a little bit in a podcast we did a couple of months ago and anyway, that was fun. So I hope that blessed you, guys. Hope you just see kind of the spirit of some of these these pro choice people, and of course many of them are just being way over the top to try to get a reaction out of us. Yep, whatever, we waste your you can waste your breath if you want, waste your typing ability. Thank you to bring our ranks. Thank you for bringing us up in the rankings. It's it's a blessing to us. But let's jump into our subject. Okay, that was not very encouraging. This is maybe not going to be very encouraging, but it's real again, this is real life that not all stories turn out good.

13:28 We share the stories that do a lot of times on social media, in blog posts and things like that, in order to encourage people, to show what God is doing. And even in some of the stories that we share there's some things happening behind the scenes that are not all, you know, roses and glory, right. There's see stuff. There's some people that come to an abortion center. Yeah, typically have pretty messy stuff going on and let's be honest, yeah, we've got some messy stuff going on our lives too. We've got some stuff that we need to help with and people to help the body of Christ to help us through. Yeah, and so it's no different from the good stories, but the bad stories a lot of times can get us down. But, as I said when we started out, sometimes the good stories can get people down. And what I mean by that as we have missionaries, were raising up missionaries across the country, across the world that are going out to their abortion centers. We're training him here in Charlotte, we're sending them out and they're bearing some awesome fruit. Many of them are seeing baby saves soon as they get back to their home city, but some aren't seeing baby saved and they can be discouraged and think, well, maybe I'm not doing something right, right, but maybe this is wrong.

14:35 It's only if only Vicky and Daniel would write. Yeah, because what's going on in Charlotte? That's not happening here, so maybe it's something wrong with me. Yeah, but we're going to encourage you. Got I mean, one of the things is we have a very busy abortion center. Yeah, we've got twenty five to thirty babies that are dying at this abortion center. If we did a ratio right of how many babies are save versus how many babies are dying, we would, in comparison, be pretty dismal failures and and just not doing very well. Right again, the victory is in obedience. But sometimes that, which is intended to be an encouragement to us, can actually be a discouragement because, yeah, they've got that going on in Charlotte, but that's not happening here. It can happen on social media with parents who you know. You got your friends who share about how great their kids are doing. Your homeschool and your kids and and and you want to be encouraged, and yet this homeschool family is doing so much better than you are. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, things you're not going that great either for them. But they're sharing the good things and that's what we tend to do. We tend to share the good things that happen and we gravitate away from sharing the bad things. We're going to share some of the bad things, right and but one of the one of the bad sites of that that you described on social media, and it's true, I think, even in US sharing the good stories, is you feel like there's these superstars, yeah, who can do everything right and and that's just never the case.

15:56 It is not true and it doesn't at like you said, it's not whether we do things even right or wrong. It's has God prepared that heart and that woman has her her own conscience and whatever she's going through. So the decision is not ours. We're just showing up. And both of these stories that we're going to share today that did not turn out well. I was the counselor they did not turn out well. Yeah, so the first one was very interesting, probably the hardest case I've ever dealt with. Okay, and I've been out there now eight years, and this one really was, was rough. I don't I honestly don't know why she pulled over. She pulled over for one of our newer counselors. Leah, is that counselor's name, and I'll call this woman Marcia. So Marcy pulled over, talked with Leah for a little while and then Leah knew this is kind of complicated, so she brought the woman to me and the woman drove her car over to where I was standing. I went to talk with her. She has several other children and she was homeless. The boyfriend was homeless and Marcy had schizophrenia.

17:19 Okay, unmedicated in fact, because of issues not being able to get Medicaid and not yet. And so she's got a very serious mental illness. Lots of other kids, no family, I don't believe, around other than this boyfriend who actually didn't want her to abort the child. But she was off her meds. Was Schizophrenia. And so she you would see that the mental illness would sometimes be speaking. Yeah, sometimes she'd beat more coherent. She started off really angry, very defensive, very paranoid, and as the conversation evolved I first fall. It was as the conversation evolved that I found out about the schizophrenia. But she was able to list the major obstacles and and we were able to say hey, we have resources that can help you.

18:15 We scheduled an ultrasound for her and she was all set to drive to that it. She had to go some distance because our ultrasound was not out that day, our mobile ultrasound unit. So got that all set up. Told her about the mentorship program through Love Life Charlotte and that we were going to sign her up for that. The next day we would call her and we would also ask her about how the ultrasound went. So it that night. She didn't pick up the phone. The next day she still didn't pick up the phone. I had assigned her to Leah to work out the Ment Council, the new councilor to work out the mentorship program with her, because everything else was done. She she was on on board, the boyfriend was on board, they had gone off to see their baby, as far as we knew, and several days went by. Lee was all prepared. Several days go by, we still haven't heard anything from her. We assume she's aborted. Yeah, and then out of the blue she called me and left a message that when I think was a nice message, I kind of get them mixed up, but saying she did want an ultrasound so apparently had not been to the first ultrasound. I encourage her to please contact Leah and and be signed up for the mannorship program and we would try and arrange the ultrasound.

19:42 And while she did contactly, and while she was talking to Leah, threatened to commit suicide well, and just was flipping out and then the phone went dead. So Leah contacted me. Please call her right away. I'm so worried. I'm so scared. I did. She was still upset, but not she had calmed down and by the end of our discussion, then she's back on track. She's going to get the mentorship program, she's gonna she we set up a new ultrasound and to get her her medication. That was the part of the things that I outlined. I outline things that she needed to do immediately and one of those was we needed to get her on medications. We for this very significant mental illness. So our pro life doctor who works with us, he agreed to call all her and talk with her about what medication she could take and told told us she should go immediately to the ear. Yeah, talking about medications she could take in light of being pregnant. And that's what exactly I'm sorry, yes, exactly, and so so she I assume that she had gone to the ear because late, late that night I was sleeping. But late that night I got a phone call.

20:56 I could not begin to repeat all the words that were used, and she left a message just furious and spewing hate and anger, saying that that the medication that we had told her could not be taken while pregnant and just and we don't do anything we've promised, even though everything that we had promised was through the mentor and the she had not yet. Can't, you know, followed through on the mentorship program yeah, anyway, so I thought that's probably the last time going to hear from her or but I did. I did actually text her a nice note the next morning saying we'd love to help you, just give me a call when you're ready. Yeah, and a long time goes by and we find out later that she had actually gone to that ultrasound that first day. Okay, so she went right from the abortions and yeah, it just like we told her too. But she was found not pregnant. Okay, it was not pregnant. So all of that anger and everything was while she's not pregnant and she knew she wasn't pretty. seither you, unless you know she does have schizophrenia, so maybe something, but but so, so that that ended. At that point I thought the story was over and before I knew that she was not pregnant, I was certain that she had just gone and aborted the baby. Yeah, but but then some sometime we were all discouraged. Leah was discouraged. I had thought this

22:29 was going to be a great learning experience for Lee and it turned out to be traumatic for Boileia or other counselor, and we had offered so much to this woman. She didn't follow the steps necessary to avail ourselves of them. But we'd offered all of this and she had disregarded and then lied to us. Yeah, lied to us about whether she was pregnant or not. And so that was a story that was very disheartening. It it did not turn out well and it was one of those impossible situations. We didn't really quite know what to do. Yeah, and this is a story that initially we were like, praise Lord, Lea, being a brand new counselor, had this interaction right turned out good. The lady left from driving, she was driving to the abortion center, basically cut a one hundred and eighty degree turn in the road and turn back around to go to the pregnancy center. Did and initially we're like, praise God, God use this new counselor who had just stepped out Yep in and kind of a really uncomfortable area. I mean do aministrate an abortion clinic is very uncomfortable for anybody, yeah, but especially a young lady like her to write. And so we were encouraged initially and then then later own discouraged by the interactions. Is this. Yeah, he brought about, and so I will be very honest, some of the the issues that went through my head, where this is a woman with several children, a significant mental illness, yeah, pregnant, already, showing and UNMEDICATED,

24:02 showing the volatility emotionally and all I was thinking, what is going to happen to this poor baby? Yeah, that that she's carrying in her roomb yeah, right now, and you really start to question, not only did I do everything right, but was he even right in doing anything right? Yeah, and I you know, ultimately I do believe that I was. Well, that's something I want us to want us to just hang right there for a second so that people understand that these are real struggles that we have in our mind. That's right. That's right, because we've dealt with situations where we've got a family who, maybe it's a single mom that has six kids. I'm thinking of a particular situation. Yeah, a young lady that has six kids. Yeah, she's like in her mid S. Wow, wow, and six kids, pregnant again. Yeah, the kids all have different father's. Yeah, and it's like wow, you look at that situation, you like, wow, if there ever was a situation where I could put my stamp of approval on abortion, this would be one. Yeah, because this kid is not going to dis like the other kids, not going to know his dad, her dad. Yeah, going to be raised in a very challenging scenario. Yeah, and who knows what's going to be the outcome. However, we always have to remember it and we're training our sidewalk counselors and we're training new sidewalk missionaries. We always touch on this point when we deal with the hard cases, hard cases like that, like bad fetal

25:36 diagnosis and things like that. It was always have to remember that abortion is never the answer because abortion kills an innocent person. We always have to keep that in mind. Abortion is never the solution, and God is always a consideration in our minds. So we can say, well, this kid is, you know, number seven of six kids at all have a different father, very difficult situation and, humanly speaking, yet it's impossible for any good to come out of that. But we're not humanly speaking. We have to speak from the perspective that there is a God that oversees his creation and it has a plan and a purpose for every person that he creates and we don't get to play God. That's right, and these scenarios that we encounter, difficult as they might be, we don't get to play God and we don't get to choose who has value and who doesn't. It doesn't matter. It matters in the sense that we care about this mom, we care about her struggles, the mental issues that she's struggling with, and we care about that baby that maybe is going to be brought into those mental struggles. But those that that particular situation does not dictate the value of that child. That child still is loved by God and known by him. Yeah, and it's still wrong to kill him or her. Yeah, and I'm so glad that you've said all that and because that's so true and that's that's where we have to keep coming back. But I also think it is maybe, in a weird way, encouraging for others to know that here. You know, we've had

27:07 a lot of success out here, I would say, in literal numbers of babies saved and and I've been doing this a long time and it did go through my mind, should I even be talking to this woman about saving her baby? Yeah, did. Yeah, now I overcame that okay, and I still stayed true to what I felt God had called me to do. But I think we all probably have those moments of just yourself questioning and doubt and wondering, is it okay what I'm doing? Yeah, and ultimately, as you described, of course it is, and of course it's not only thing, it's command. It commanded. Yeah, and you know again we can kind of get wrapped up in kind of our emotions and what our emotions dictate to us. That's why is Christians, our emotions can never be the standard, right, if our emotions are the standard, then we wouldn't be out there at all. If our emotions are the standard, then we would be okay with babies being killed because they're product of rape or incest or the health of the mother. That's where you get in and pro life folks, so called pro life people, that leave allowances for those things. It's because they're driven by their emotions. And they talk about an emotional situation where a woman is a victim of rape and we can't quite possibly tell her that she needs to carry that baby to term. Well, we can, because the Bible says that every human being is made in God's image and it doesn't give exceptions in their human beings, who result of rape or not? Yeah,

28:37 valuable. It didn't say that right. Human beings are valuable in the sight of God because we're made in God's image. So again, we can't be led by our feelings, by our emotions. The Bible is our firm foundation and that's why you were able to go. And it's not like there were some big struggle in your mind really of whether or not you should talk to this mom. You knew that you should, but there's this human kind of propensity to be led by emotions and you just push that to the side because your foundation is in the word of God, right, not in humanitarian efforts or or utilitarian ideas and all that stuff, but in the scriptures. Yeah, and while this sort of hurts the premise of the podcast, I do have to say that as a recently this woman found out that she had a condition that made the pregnancy test negative. Okay, but she did go to the AR, she did get her medication. It turns out she is pregnant.

29:37 Our discussion with her and the Boyfriend, which was very gospel focused, did change her heart. Now she without a doubt was not going to abort this baby. She was full on wanting the child and she signed up for the love life mentorship program so, which has significant health thanks. kind of found this out time. I just found this how today, to tell you the truth. So this, this was an and I think that raises another really critical point. Stories that turn out bad maybe didn't turn out bad. Yeah, we don't always hear the end of the store asolutely. So just know that God can work a miracle because if this, if there was ever a miracle worked, in my opinion, it was how this story, at least thus far. It could change tomorrow. Sure. Yeah, absolutely now, and that's one of the things that I encourage our counselors with all the time is that, yeah, you've poured into a young lady on the sidewalk and she took your literature and she looked through it, she considered what you had to say and then she walked into those doors. That is still not a for sure. She chose abortion. She walks in those doors. We've had MOMS who, months later, drove back to the clinic to let us know that they were there and they left after we'd left and chose live.

30:47 So we should never give up hope and again, the victory is always in obeying God and giving the truth. I told one pro abortion person today she was trying to discourage me by saying, you know, I was calling out to a lady going in, caught out to actually several, and she said you've not gotten anyone to come over and all you you've gotten. You've not gotten anyone to to take you up on your offers to to get information or anything like that. I said, listen, I'm just the mail man. I'm here to deliver the mail. Right, it's not. I can't open the mail for him. Right. I'm just delivering the mail. So we kind of give that as an example of what we're out there to do, whether to deliverence. By the way, I heard that our sink. I'm going to use that. The mailman, he doesn't have anything to do with it. Well or not it's open, he just delivers it and that's what we're here to do, to deliver the mountain. Now I hope and pray that they do open the mail, that do take what we're delivering to them the truth, and they open it up and listen and contemplated and many do unfortunately, many don't. So let's jump into another story that and it's maybe didn't end well. Yes, as far as far as we know. So this was a woman who came out of of the abortion center. She comes through the bushes to come towards our counselors and said that she had chosen life.

32:02 Yeah, that I don't know if it was things that she had heard. I think it was for through all of our calling out that day. So she comes to the bushes to US crying. Our whole counseling group just we all surrounded her and just the spirit of God filled us and we all just surrounded her and hugged her. We all prayed in a huddle around her, hugging her. Yeah, remember that. She was very like moved by the fact that we were we were there in encouraging yeah, Yeahd you guys were here, right. She initially said, I think, that she was angry that we were there. Right, but what we said ultimately, she said, pierced her hard and she chose not to have the abortion. Yeah.

32:43 Yeah, so she was inviting us to come and pray over her, and did and and and she's he and I started. She had not even asked for any help yet, but I started sharing with her all the help that we had and she started crying again and saying she couldn't believe it and just was overwhelmed by all that we were offering and was so excited and she had truly made a hundred eighty degree turn around to now. You know, you guys need to be out there all the time, every day, which we are. Yeah, but because you're so valuable, she would have aborted her baby and she said that it was us being there that had made the difference and turned her to life. So she and her boyfriend drive away and we're all cheering and overjoyed. Yeah, we were just delighted. Everybody's, you know, praising God and saying Hallelujah and word for victory exactly. And we go and the glorious part of it for me was, I mean baby was saved. That was awesome. But it happened right in front of the pro abortion people. I say that, you know, nobody wants to talk to you and all this. I Ha. Yeah, take that. Yeah, that's right. Not that we glow tweed, never go try, not the right, but the grace of yeah, but anyway, so I'm at home and that it's like going on towards dinner time and I get a call from one of our councilors. It said, Vickie, I hate to be the person to tell you this, but I just drove back by the abortion center and that woman from that morning she's back. She's the last one they're

34:17 she's coming out of the abortion center and she is with the boyfriend and I said, are you positive it's her? They they were so, yeah, Oh, yeah. So now I knew how far along this woman was. I knew she was sixteen weeks, which is probably a two day procedure, and in the first day procedure they put in the seaweed stomach our Lamin area, which softens the Cervix and allows the abortionist two more easily enter and remove. Maybe this is a basic teaching moment to rabbit trail real quick, because it is helpful that we understand abortion procedures. Yes, and so this young lady be in sixteen weeks is kind of right at the threshold, or they would have to do a two day abortion right procedure. And ultimately what they've got to do that they've got to expand the cervix in such a way where they can get the instruments in there to dismember the baby. At that point the baby's is pretty big. It's as team weeks until whether or not it's a boy or girl at that point. Yeah, and so the Lemon area are basically little seaweed rods that expand with moisture, and so they will insert three, four five of those into the cervix. They're really small until they get moisture and then they expand and then, you know, it takes twelve hours or so, I guess, for them to expand to the point where ultimately, on the next day she'll go back, the doctor will remove the lemon area the service is expanded enough where he can get other tools in there to expand it a little further and then get the instruments in there. Right and a child. So she was at the first day of that. It

35:49 was sheep. I assumed. I didn't know because I hadn't talked to her, but I that was my assumption and assumption that that hopefully was going to save that baby's life, because the lemon area do not harm the child. Yeah, what it does is it we can see the cervix, which is not good and some women do spontaneously aboard because the cervix has been weakened so much and so they they can't hold the baby in. Yeah, but but knowing that, I texted her right away and I said I know that you were back at the abortion center. One of our councilors saw you. Was Was it the first day of a two day procedure? And she admitted it was, and she told me why she had returned and I must say again, you know, I understood. Yeah, I don't. I didn't, you know, I didn't say it was okay, but but I understood why.

36:39 She was being black backmailed by the the dad of the baby with some pretty horrific things and she just was terrified. So she but she told me it was day one and I explained about the Lamin area. said she could reverse that, she could have those removed, go to an r immediately. We would have our pro life Dr Call and console with her, but those, they could be removed, the baby would be safe. She had already started home, which was, I don't know, an hour away, and she said when she would go to the hospital nearer home and our pro life doctor said she would be fine. Yeah, he told us. He's actually removed those rods. The next day and the baby's fine, but and the the servics just tightens back up goes back to normal. Yeah, so she even showed me on her gps the like, every few minutes an update of where her car was, how close she was the hospital she was. She had not known it could be reverse. She had already regretted that she had put the had the Lamin area put in and she wanted to stop it and to go to the AR and try to save her baby. And so we texted a lot until it was getting she pulled into the ear and said we're here, and then I didn't hear from her. I text a few times but I didn't hear from her. From her, I went to bed praying and hoping that everything was well. That night I got a text from apparently the boy friend, who said that they the baby was fine but they had

38:14 decided they would return to kill the baby the next day. So I didn't get that text till early the next morning, like five am. I started texting back and texting everything I could think the the humanity, the baby are resources, the development of a sixteen week old and each center a video of a sixteen week old in the womb and description of what happens to that sixteen week old baby in an abortion everything. And what I got back almost right away was vile anger from the boyfriend, not from the mom, just saying leave us alone, and and and he said some really nasty, very maybe similar things to the pro abortion theairies that we read. Yes, you know, worse. And and again I just texted back, we're here to help, please don't kill your baby and let us help you. And then that was it. I never never heard anything else. So the last text from the woman had been very sweet and overjoyed that the baby could be saved and kind, and then these ongoing text couple of text from the boyfriend were very nasty and they were going to kill the baby. The woman did not return to the abortion center the next day because I was there at least the littery abortion centers, right and she's already paid and I knew money was was tight.

39:37 So I assume my my hopeful heart things maybe the boyfriend got ahold of the phone and that the woman really had had the Laminaria removed and just never got our phone back, but I'll never know. Yeah, but that was a an extremely discouraging story because, again, for kind of the same reason as the prior story, we were all rejoicing that that we had overcome, with God, this really significantly difficult case. Yeah, and and then it turned around where it wasn't what we thought it was. Yes, yeah, yeah, and of course that's one. These are two of many stories that we could tell you, guys, and yet still we continue on. Right.

40:27 These are stories. Some of the stories, like, we had to pick and choose because we don't want to shame the people that chose to apparently, for us, we know to chose to have an abortion. We don't want to just kind of plaster all the negative story and all that stuff. So some things, if we, if we shared some of the stories, we be sharing details because we have to. That would maybe show who the person was and all of that. So we don't want to do that. So just take my word for it, guys. There's a lot of other stories that we could share. The didn't turn out like we hope that they would turn out. Yeah, however, we do have to remind ourselves that we're not out there for ourselves, we're not out there to make ourselves feel better about being Christians or whatever. We're out there for the Lord and again the victory is in obedience and we obey God. When we do what God us has said for us to do, give a voice to those that don't have a voice, then we're victorious in that, whether we see baby saved or not, whether we see I mean I think of a story. I think I've shared this story quite a few times on this podcast, maybe not, but of the mom of twins, eighteen week twins, who walked out of the abortion center on board the Mobile Ultra sound unit that was parked in front of the abortion center. This is some years ago, and the counselor and the nurse both poured into this young lady, I mean showed her every reason to trust the Lord, every resource that was available, all the things that she was struggling with had answers and there was there were things that we could point her to to show her that she didn't have to have the abortion.

41:54 She got the ultrasound. The counselor and the nurse both saw two babies on that screen. She was eighteen weeks along, so you see everything. Yeah, fully developed. Little could tell whether it's a boy or girl. You could see all the fingers and toes. I mean you could see him sometimes sucking their thumb. Yeah, even earlier than that and even after all that was said and done, she stepped right off of that mobile unit, right off of that that Mobultra sound unit, walked into that abortion center, yeah, and began the process to kill those twins and from what we know, she went through it. But happened. So it's so discouraging. But you know, I want to read a verse that, or maybe you can read it. It's Second Corinthians twelve, yeah, versus nine through ten, because ultimately, I think what every sidewalk counselor will discover is that we cannot do this it in our own strength through just simply cannot. We are weak, we are only out there and able to withstand the highs and the lows and stories like this that could just cause such despair that we would quit.

43:05 The only reason we don't is Christ, yeah, and and our allegiance to him and our belief that he has called us to this word. Yeah, absolutely. So this is the second or Second Corinthians twelve versus none through ten. And this is the Apostle Paul. He says and he said to me, my grace is sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness. Most gladly, therefore, I will rather boast in my weaknesses so that the power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore, I'm well content with weakness, with insults, with distresses, with persecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's sake, for when I am weak, then I am strong. Yeah, and this is the the heart of the believer, right, that we understand that we need the Lord. This is John Chapter Fifteen. Jesus said I am the vine, you are the branches right apart from me. You can do nothing. The branches must have abide in the vine and then we'll bear fruit. And so I on't encourage you guys, as you're out there on the sidewalk and there's the stories, these discouraging stories come up and maybe you're looking at what's going on at other cities. You're looking on what's going on here in Charlotte or or wherever else, and God's doing some amazing things across the nation, across the world, and Pro Life Ministry, Praise God for that. You're looking at some of that and you're like, well, that's not happening here or why? I had some stories I thought were good, but they didn't turn out so good. I want to encourage you these.

44:35 We're all dealing with those, we all have those struggles, we all have those situations we have to deal with, but we have to stay tapped into the true vine. We have to be motivated by love for God first and then, I of that flows a love for our neighbor, and we can remain faithful even in these difficult situations, even through these difficult stories that didn't turn out so good, because, after all, again it it's not about us, it's about the Lord, and we're called to be his hands, his feet and to be a voice for the voiceless, whether people are going to listen or not. That's right. So, with that guy's hope, you were encouraged. I hope this was a blessing to you. I hope that you will share this podcast and I hope that you will leave us a review. If you can squeeze out five stars, that would be great.

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46:04 There's plenty of them, so we can real a lot of them. But again, we hope this was a blessing you, guys, and until next time, God bless give me our love for love, give me our love for gratitude. I know it will cost me my life. Nothing's too precious and some that you