Not All Stories Turn Out Great

WEBVTT100:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours. Send Me,200:00:06.160 --> 00:00:10.230Lord. I welcome to the GospelCenter pro life podcast. As you know,300:00:10.349 --> 00:00:13.109we like to share from time totime the stories that happen on the400:00:13.150 --> 00:00:16.350sidewalk. A lot of times weshare good stories, but in this podcast500:00:16.390 --> 00:00:18.910we're going to talk about some ofthose stories that didn't turn out so good.600:00:19.230 --> 00:00:35.810Stay with us, I felt showpassis touch your welcome to the Gospel700:00:35.850 --> 00:00:40.609Center pro life podcast. We appreciateyou guys listening. We hope this podcast800:00:41.369 --> 00:00:44.250episode will be a blessing to youguys. We hope our previous episodes have900:00:44.329 --> 00:00:47.649been a blessing. We covered inthe last two episodes the goodness of God.1000:00:47.850 --> 00:00:51.280Yeah, in light of some ofthe difficult situations that we face and1100:00:51.399 --> 00:00:54.920quite possibly many of you guys thatare listening face on a daily basis at1200:00:54.920 --> 00:00:57.759the abortion centers, or weekly basis, however off when you're out there.1300:00:58.600 --> 00:01:02.280We hope that was an encouragement toyou guys and not a discouragement. And1400:01:03.679 --> 00:01:07.909we got real in that podcast,or some of the stories, want story1500:01:07.909 --> 00:01:08.909in particularly, that we shared,and we're going to get real in this1600:01:08.989 --> 00:01:12.629podcast to yeah, we are.We're going to talk about how not all1700:01:12.870 --> 00:01:19.299stories turn out good. We tendto share, and rightfully so, write1800:01:19.340 --> 00:01:22.579the good stories that take place.Yeah, would encourage people. Yeah,1900:01:22.739 --> 00:01:29.859people are encourage when a mom chooseslife and this awesome story that really turns2000:01:29.900 --> 00:01:33.689out awesome and God is glorified throughit. And we want to encourage people2100:01:34.129 --> 00:01:37.049and we want our counselors to knowthat their work is not in vain.2200:01:37.129 --> 00:01:41.969There are so there's definitely fruit,yeah, from all of their toil.2300:01:42.049 --> 00:01:46.090Yeah, I want to encourage peoplein social media to get involved in their2400:01:46.170 --> 00:01:49.400city. Hey, God's doing somethinghere in Charlotte. He wants to do2500:01:49.439 --> 00:01:52.640it in your city. Here's whathe can do if you get on board.2600:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.359But I've discovered that sometimes what wemean for encouragement can actually be discouraging2700:01:57.519 --> 00:02:01.189to people. Yeah, and sowe don't mean to bring something discouraging order2800:02:01.269 --> 00:02:05.150to encourage you, but we dowant to kind of bring some balance to2900:02:05.230 --> 00:02:09.030it and just let people know andunderstand that not all the situations that we3000:02:09.270 --> 00:02:14.590deal with actually turn out good.We've had situations, and we've shared some3100:02:14.669 --> 00:02:17.740of those, where we've had amom that we've poured into, I mean3200:02:17.780 --> 00:02:21.740given her every reason to choose lifeand she ends up going into the abortion3300:02:21.780 --> 00:02:23.659center, right. So we're goingto talk about that. Yeah, again,3400:02:23.699 --> 00:02:28.139not to discourage you guys that arelistening, to encourage you that even3500:02:28.139 --> 00:02:30.889in spite of that, God isgood, like our last two episodes,3600:02:30.449 --> 00:02:35.490and Jesus is still doing stuff,his words still going forth, and we've3700:02:35.490 --> 00:02:38.930always said the victory is in obedience. Right, it's not just in baby3800:02:38.050 --> 00:02:42.569saved or soul saved, but it'sin obeying God. Yeah, and then3900:02:42.650 --> 00:02:46.240babies are saved and souls are savedout of our obedience to God. But4000:02:46.360 --> 00:02:49.400before we jump into that, Iwanted to have a little bit of fun.4100:02:49.639 --> 00:02:52.479Oh, okay, that's always fine. Now, you guys who've been4200:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.039listening for a while, maybe youhaven't seen this. Some of you guys4300:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.879that are new, maybe you asyou were looking through Itunes, and I4400:02:57.919 --> 00:03:00.509think I've shared this a few timeson our episodes. As we started out,4500:03:00.550 --> 00:03:05.389just encouraging people to leave reviews.Is We've gotten trolled by some of4600:03:05.469 --> 00:03:10.229our pro abortion opposition. We've gotabout sixteen hundred reviews on. That's past4700:03:10.870 --> 00:03:15.099for a podcast like ours. Yeah, it's just two people pretty much with4800:03:15.300 --> 00:03:20.379some microphones, right, and puta whole lot of production and trained broadcast4900:03:20.500 --> 00:03:23.819professionals. Yeah, to one sixteenhundred reviews, especially when we're talking from5000:03:24.379 --> 00:03:29.449Gospel Center pro life perspective. Soit's kind of a neat niche sort of5100:03:30.490 --> 00:03:32.849topic. Yeah, it's pretty amazing. The only thing is, as Thou5200:03:32.969 --> 00:03:37.849sixteen hundred reviews, like one thousix hundred and seventy something or so.5300:03:38.530 --> 00:03:43.400At this point, about ninety ninepercent of them are bad. There there5400:03:43.560 --> 00:03:47.120one star reviews. Now I dowell, I know for sure that the5500:03:47.240 --> 00:03:52.560way things work is the more interactionswith a podcast, so bad reviews are5600:03:52.560 --> 00:03:54.439good reviews. It still pushes usup in the ranking. So those who5700:03:54.439 --> 00:03:57.990I guess want to hurt us areactually helping us. Yeah, I've had5800:03:57.990 --> 00:04:00.430a lot more listeners and we praiseGod for that. So what they meant5900:04:00.469 --> 00:04:03.069for evil? God used it,got it. God used it for good.6000:04:03.189 --> 00:04:05.949So, just like our last coupleepisodes, God is good. But6100:04:06.069 --> 00:04:10.300what I wanted to do let's havea little fun with some of these reviews,6200:04:10.340 --> 00:04:13.379because some of them are just playingnasty and I'm not going to repeat6300:04:13.379 --> 00:04:15.379what they said in the reviews,but some of them are just Dang funny6400:04:16.220 --> 00:04:20.579and kind of encouraging in one senseand, you know, just like a6500:04:20.699 --> 00:04:24.290good laugh. So maybe this wouldgive some of you guys a good half6600:04:24.410 --> 00:04:27.490and will will get Vicki's reaction tosome of these, because you haven't read6700:04:27.529 --> 00:04:30.970all of these, but these aresome of the reviews on our podcasts on6800:04:31.089 --> 00:04:36.209itunes. The title of this oneis disrespectful and it's a Onestar review.6900:04:36.209 --> 00:04:40.600All of these are going to beone star on star distress. Imagine making7000:04:40.680 --> 00:04:46.040people feel bad for a boarding babies. I couldn't be me heart. Well,7100:04:46.160 --> 00:04:49.480first and foremost, these are thepro choice people who say that it's7200:04:49.519 --> 00:04:53.910not a baby, right, it'sa fetus, it's a blob of tissue7300:04:53.910 --> 00:04:57.670or a clump of cells. Yeah, except sometimes they slip up and admit7400:04:57.790 --> 00:05:00.990that it's a baby, and shedoes here. This is from Cool K7500:05:00.350 --> 00:05:04.990thirty four. Okay, so imaginemaking people feel bad for a boarding babies.7600:05:05.029 --> 00:05:10.259HMM, imagine that. Imagine,I can imagine. We get paid7700:05:10.259 --> 00:05:13.699to do that, apparently, makepeople feel bad this. This is from7800:05:14.220 --> 00:05:19.420mad dog six hundred and eighty nine, and it's titled Pro Choice is pro7900:05:19.819 --> 00:05:24.689woman. Okay, never heard thatone before. Okay, well, here8000:05:24.810 --> 00:05:28.610she says in her review I'm assumingit's a woman, all right, although8100:05:28.610 --> 00:05:30.250I should maybe assume her gender.Okay, I guess. Or Yeah,8200:05:30.250 --> 00:05:34.720their gender. Abortion is not murder. First of all, a fetus is8300:05:34.839 --> 00:05:40.120not considered a human being and it'stechnically a parasite. Hang on to that8400:05:40.160 --> 00:05:42.839for a second, because I wantto talk about that. Second of all,8500:05:43.160 --> 00:05:46.279even if a fetus were considered ahuman being, then abortion would still8600:05:46.319 --> 00:05:51.870be okay, since it is inthe woman's body, because bodily integrity protects8700:05:51.990 --> 00:05:57.430it. Okay, since this isa religious podcast, did you know that8800:05:57.550 --> 00:06:01.750God stated that a baby is alivewhen it takes its first breath? Therefore,8900:06:01.949 --> 00:06:05.060while in the womb, it's technicallynot alive. Therefore, abortion is9000:06:05.139 --> 00:06:10.339okay by the Bible. WHOO,a lot of deductions the falling up for9100:06:10.500 --> 00:06:14.060really he so I'll want to makea challenge. Yeah, I want to9200:06:14.100 --> 00:06:16.060make a challenge because I made thischallenge actually last Saturday was some of the9300:06:16.139 --> 00:06:19.170pro pro choice people, because oneof them told me this very thing.9400:06:19.290 --> 00:06:23.970You know, the Bible teaches thatit's not actually alive until it bring us9500:06:23.970 --> 00:06:26.649first of breath. We actually dida podcast about that, so you guys9600:06:26.689 --> 00:06:29.769can go back and listen to that. And so I asked him, this9700:06:30.050 --> 00:06:32.600gentleman that told me he knew theBible and he's raised on the Bible and9800:06:32.920 --> 00:06:36.959this I said, show me whereit says in the Bible that it's not9900:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.920a person until it takes his firstbreath. Right, of course he couldn't.10000:06:40.959 --> 00:06:44.399He brought out some he could somesome liberal he could not. He10100:06:44.519 --> 00:06:49.149had some liberal scholar interpretation of somepassage of scripture in the Old Testament.10200:06:49.230 --> 00:06:55.269Okay, and so that's ridiculous.The Bible is clear that God knows us10300:06:55.269 --> 00:06:58.110while we're in our mother's womb andall of that. But this point of10400:06:58.670 --> 00:07:01.139it's technically a parasite. Yeah,technically. Now, what does the word10500:07:01.180 --> 00:07:06.779technically mean to you? Technically?Well, I mean that there's like factual10600:07:06.860 --> 00:07:11.180yeah, roof, you can intothe technicalities of it. But yeah,10700:07:11.259 --> 00:07:15.970actually, technically it's not a parasite. It's impossible for a creature to be10800:07:16.050 --> 00:07:23.089a parasite of its own species,right, we know, just a parasite10900:07:23.129 --> 00:07:26.290is always of a different species.That's a very good point. So that's11000:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.720IMPOL technically. You're correct to technically. I'm correct. Technically. Pro Choice11100:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.519is pro woman or mad dog.Six hundred and eighty nine. Technically you're11200:07:33.560 --> 00:07:36.600incorrect. So so sorry to breakthat to you. Sorry, maybe you11300:07:36.639 --> 00:07:40.720would consider revising that one. Maybe, maybe go back and revise that.11400:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.470Let's read another one. There's onethat actually I'm not going to read.11500:07:45.470 --> 00:07:48.149That's too long. But they're tryingto quote a first Corinthians Thirteen. No11600:07:48.269 --> 00:07:53.589temptation is overtaken youth and that whichis common, a man goes on to11700:07:54.509 --> 00:07:57.550from what I gather, we shouldn'tjudge people. All its other stuff,11800:07:57.589 --> 00:08:00.100but whatever. Another one we've neverheard. Yeah, we did a whole11900:08:00.100 --> 00:08:03.740podcast about this. Now this isfrom Hockey Zach, Hockey Zack. Hockey12000:08:03.779 --> 00:08:09.019Zach wrote no heart. This isthe title. No heart. It's a12100:08:09.060 --> 00:08:13.569one star review as well. Ithas a baby, little emoji of a12200:08:13.649 --> 00:08:18.970baby, a hammer hitting that babyand then an angel baby. So wonder12300:08:18.050 --> 00:08:20.970what they mean in there. HockeyHockey Zach, are you implying that we12400:08:22.009 --> 00:08:24.449should hit babies with hammers? Well, it seems to be consistent. At12500:08:24.490 --> 00:08:30.000least we can appreciate the consistency.Yeah, yeah, and the baby turns12600:08:30.040 --> 00:08:33.279into an angel. So their theologyneeds some work. Theologically that's incorrect,12700:08:33.639 --> 00:08:39.200but practically it shows the spirit ofthe whole pro abortion. Yeah, persuasion12800:08:39.360 --> 00:08:41.830there. Right, I'll just reada few more these, just this,12900:08:41.070 --> 00:08:43.269just for fun. This is ashow you the spirit of these people,13000:08:43.269 --> 00:08:46.909and some of you guys listen andyou've already read some of these in your13100:08:46.990 --> 00:08:50.269like shaking your head. So maybethis will encourage some of you guys who13200:08:50.350 --> 00:08:54.190that are listening the like this podcastto leave us a five star review.13300:08:54.389 --> 00:08:56.860Yeah, it would maybe help usout to bring our ranking up from one13400:08:58.100 --> 00:09:01.059sixteen hundred and some reviews with onestar to maybe sixteen hundred some reviews of13500:09:01.139 --> 00:09:05.700two stars. Maybe. Agree,anything's possibly, things possible. So this13600:09:05.980 --> 00:09:11.809is from pastel him Koa Tooga.Okay, that's their name, and it's13700:09:11.850 --> 00:09:16.409titled Go Home, Vicky, ohme. Yeah, it's specifically targets me,13800:09:16.929 --> 00:09:22.690specifically targets you, vigre. Someof these actually particularly a many of13900:09:22.769 --> 00:09:26.799these actually particularly target you. Andthis is. This says, in her14000:09:26.879 --> 00:09:30.720review, or his review, whatever, I'll slurp up my dead baby like14100:09:30.840 --> 00:09:33.679a Jello shot. Oh, Iknow, what a vile individual. I14200:09:33.799 --> 00:09:37.159think that person called me. I'mserious, I'm a call yeah, about14300:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.509this. Okay, yeah, they'rejust out of their mind. A little14400:09:41.509 --> 00:09:43.909bit sick. That's a little bitmore than a little bit. But wait14500:09:43.950 --> 00:09:46.549a minute, okay, it's nota baby. I thought it's just a14600:09:46.629 --> 00:09:50.870battle of tissue. Right. Someyeah, sometimes, when you lie,14700:09:50.549 --> 00:09:54.019see, when you lie, here'sa list of for everybody. When you14800:09:54.059 --> 00:09:56.379lie, you have to remember whatyou previously said. But if you tell14900:09:56.419 --> 00:09:58.659the truth, you want have toworry about remember, right. So if15000:09:58.659 --> 00:10:00.940you lie and say it's not ababy, it's a Blob of tissue,15100:10:00.980 --> 00:10:05.419yeah, and obviously that's not true. Now, then you have to remember15200:10:05.779 --> 00:10:09.129that phrase every time. Blab oftissue, Blob of tissue, because slurping15300:10:09.169 --> 00:10:11.850up a Blab of tissue would probablydie. And I don't have a problem15400:10:11.889 --> 00:10:16.169with that. Baby, I gota problem. Yeah, this is from15500:10:16.850 --> 00:10:18.090but we don't. So why doI have to go home? Well,15600:10:18.330 --> 00:10:20.960she didn't say. Oh yeah,so you just go home. That's it,15700:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.000basically. This next one is fromyummy fetus. Oh, there's a15800:10:26.080 --> 00:10:31.840lovely tile, these cannibalistic fetus eatershere, and this is Jello with a15900:10:33.360 --> 00:10:37.149less than and then a three,so it's like a Kissy kind of thing.16000:10:37.549 --> 00:10:41.070Okay, this is the one storyreview as well. Honestly, I'd16100:10:41.110 --> 00:10:45.669love to eat an aborted fetus likeI sup for from intrusive thoughts. And16200:10:45.789 --> 00:10:48.509it's my big it's my biggest one. It looks like a fond it can't16300:10:48.669 --> 00:10:54.379decoration like there's realistic cakes. MaybeI should start a cake business selling hyper16400:10:54.460 --> 00:11:00.899realistic fetus cakes and fulfill that dream. You wonder what these people have read16500:11:00.980 --> 00:11:05.210or done in their life that givesthem an imagination like that. Well,16600:11:05.250 --> 00:11:07.490they're just bound in sin and they'rewicked. And so you know, Jesus16700:11:07.529 --> 00:11:09.970said from the from the depth ofthe heart, the mouth speaks. That's16800:11:11.009 --> 00:11:13.809what's in these. It sounds likehe and the person that told me to16900:11:13.929 --> 00:11:16.450go home need to get together.Yeah, and very sitting they may be.17000:11:16.690 --> 00:11:20.360Now this one, I have totell you, okay, I actually17100:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.679made me laugh, okay, andit's pretty funny and and so I wanted17200:11:24.679 --> 00:11:30.320to bless you with it as well. I can't. I can't pronounce their17300:11:30.360 --> 00:11:31.720name, start to the be orwhatever. It's not a bad word,17400:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.350but I just can't pronounce it's thebunch of letters. But okay, this17500:11:35.549 --> 00:11:39.549is titled Killed My Grandma. Ohyeah, and this the one star review17600:11:39.549 --> 00:11:43.309as well. Like all of them, I've read this podcast was so bad17700:11:43.470 --> 00:11:48.379that it caused my granmall to gointo anaphylactic shock and die of boredom.17800:11:48.419 --> 00:11:54.820Chill. anyways, black lives matterand pro choice for life. Cat Emoji,17900:11:54.940 --> 00:12:00.299Cat Emoji, painting your nails Emoji. It's this one killed, killed18000:12:00.340 --> 00:12:05.409her grandma and elected. Yes,she was apparently allergic to the truth.18100:12:05.529 --> 00:12:09.730She was aller, and I understand. Listen, you're and your sin.18200:12:09.889 --> 00:12:11.129You're allergic to the truth. Iget it. I was like that at18300:12:11.169 --> 00:12:15.840one point in my life. Yeah, and then I'll just kind of wrap18400:12:15.919 --> 00:12:20.240it up with this awesome review.Okay, did really blesses my heart.18500:12:20.759 --> 00:12:22.279And this is from Cam one,two, three, four, five,18600:12:22.320 --> 00:12:26.480six, seven, eight, nine, one or nine hundred ten, communist18700:12:26.679 --> 00:12:33.710podcast, Communist, and this isalso a one star review. This podcast18800:12:33.830 --> 00:12:41.149is communist and run by Communist.God hates communists and I think God hates18900:12:41.269 --> 00:12:46.419communism, that's for sure. Andwe're not communist, by the way.19000:12:46.580 --> 00:12:50.460Yes, actually not even really talkedabout communism a little bit in a podcast19100:12:50.539 --> 00:12:54.500we did a couple of months agoand anyway, that was fun. So19200:12:54.700 --> 00:12:58.210I hope that blessed you, guys. Hope you just see kind of the19300:12:58.250 --> 00:13:01.970spirit of some of these these prochoice people, and of course many of19400:13:03.049 --> 00:13:05.409them are just being way over thetop to try to get a reaction out19500:13:05.450 --> 00:13:09.169of us. Yep, whatever,we waste your you can waste your breath19600:13:09.169 --> 00:13:13.200if you want, waste your typingability. Thank you to bring our ranks.19700:13:13.320 --> 00:13:16.000Thank you for bringing us up inthe rankings. It's it's a blessing19800:13:16.120 --> 00:13:20.240to us. But let's jump intoour subject. Okay, that was not19900:13:20.360 --> 00:13:24.320very encouraging. This is maybe notgoing to be very encouraging, but it's20000:13:24.360 --> 00:13:28.389real again, this is real lifethat not all stories turn out good.20100:13:28.429 --> 00:13:33.470We share the stories that do alot of times on social media, in20200:13:33.629 --> 00:13:35.669blog posts and things like that,in order to encourage people, to show20300:13:35.750 --> 00:13:39.149what God is doing. And evenin some of the stories that we share20400:13:39.990 --> 00:13:43.779there's some things happening behind the scenesthat are not all, you know,20500:13:45.100 --> 00:13:48.379roses and glory, right. There'ssee stuff. There's some people that come20600:13:48.460 --> 00:13:52.419to an abortion center. Yeah,typically have pretty messy stuff going on and20700:13:52.460 --> 00:13:56.610let's be honest, yeah, we'vegot some messy stuff going on our lives20800:13:56.649 --> 00:13:58.129too. We've got some stuff thatwe need to help with and people to20900:13:58.250 --> 00:14:03.370help the body of Christ to helpus through. Yeah, and so it's21000:14:03.409 --> 00:14:07.210no different from the good stories,but the bad stories a lot of times21100:14:07.289 --> 00:14:09.840can get us down. But,as I said when we started out,21200:14:09.960 --> 00:14:13.799sometimes the good stories can get peopledown. And what I mean by that21300:14:13.879 --> 00:14:18.080as we have missionaries, were raisingup missionaries across the country, across the21400:14:18.159 --> 00:14:22.360world that are going out to theirabortion centers. We're training him here in21500:14:22.399 --> 00:14:24.990Charlotte, we're sending them out andthey're bearing some awesome fruit. Many of21600:14:26.029 --> 00:14:28.149them are seeing baby saves soon asthey get back to their home city,21700:14:28.830 --> 00:14:31.870but some aren't seeing baby saved andthey can be discouraged and think, well,21800:14:33.269 --> 00:14:35.950maybe I'm not doing something right,right, but maybe this is wrong.21900:14:35.149 --> 00:14:39.580It's only if only Vicky and Danielwould write. Yeah, because what's22000:14:39.580 --> 00:14:41.460going on in Charlotte? That's nothappening here, so maybe it's something wrong22100:14:41.500 --> 00:14:43.940with me. Yeah, but we'regoing to encourage you. Got I mean,22200:14:45.100 --> 00:14:48.379one of the things is we havea very busy abortion center. Yeah,22300:14:48.500 --> 00:14:50.740we've got twenty five to thirty babiesthat are dying at this abortion center.22400:14:50.779 --> 00:14:54.330If we did a ratio right ofhow many babies are save versus how22500:14:54.370 --> 00:15:00.210many babies are dying, we would, in comparison, be pretty dismal failures22600:15:00.769 --> 00:15:05.090and and just not doing very well. Right again, the victory is in22700:15:05.210 --> 00:15:09.000obedience. But sometimes that, whichis intended to be an encouragement to us,22800:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.399can actually be a discouragement because,yeah, they've got that going on22900:15:11.480 --> 00:15:15.840in Charlotte, but that's not happeninghere. It can happen on social media23000:15:16.279 --> 00:15:18.399with parents who you know. Yougot your friends who share about how great23100:15:18.399 --> 00:15:22.509their kids are doing. Your homeschooland your kids and and and you want23200:15:22.549 --> 00:15:26.629to be encouraged, and yet thishomeschool family is doing so much better than23300:15:26.669 --> 00:15:31.309you are. Meanwhile, behind thescenes, things you're not going that great23400:15:31.309 --> 00:15:33.549either for them. But they're sharingthe good things and that's what we tend23500:15:33.549 --> 00:15:35.940to do. We tend to sharethe good things that happen and we gravitate23600:15:37.019 --> 00:15:39.139away from sharing the bad things.We're going to share some of the bad23700:15:39.139 --> 00:15:41.779things, right and but one ofthe one of the bad sites of that23800:15:41.580 --> 00:15:46.019that you described on social media,and it's true, I think, even23900:15:46.100 --> 00:15:50.610in US sharing the good stories,is you feel like there's these superstars,24000:15:50.809 --> 00:15:56.929yeah, who can do everything rightand and that's just never the case.24100:15:56.250 --> 00:16:00.649It is not true and it doesn'tat like you said, it's not whether24200:16:00.730 --> 00:16:06.799we do things even right or wrong. It's has God prepared that heart and24300:16:06.960 --> 00:16:12.879that woman has her her own conscienceand whatever she's going through. So the24400:16:14.000 --> 00:16:18.000decision is not ours. We're justshowing up. And both of these stories24500:16:18.039 --> 00:16:21.309that we're going to share today thatdid not turn out well. I was24600:16:21.389 --> 00:16:26.190the counselor they did not turn outwell. Yeah, so the first one24700:16:27.230 --> 00:16:33.340was very interesting, probably the hardestcase I've ever dealt with. Okay,24800:16:33.740 --> 00:16:38.100and I've been out there now eightyears, and this one really was,24900:16:38.659 --> 00:16:42.019was rough. I don't I honestlydon't know why she pulled over. She25000:16:42.179 --> 00:16:47.100pulled over for one of our newercounselors. Leah, is that counselor's name,25100:16:47.450 --> 00:16:52.210and I'll call this woman Marcia.So Marcy pulled over, talked with25200:16:52.330 --> 00:16:57.649Leah for a little while and thenLeah knew this is kind of complicated,25300:16:57.730 --> 00:17:03.279so she brought the woman to meand the woman drove her car over to25400:17:03.320 --> 00:17:07.759where I was standing. I wentto talk with her. She has several25500:17:07.839 --> 00:17:19.069other children and she was homeless.The boyfriend was homeless and Marcy had schizophrenia.25600:17:19.349 --> 00:17:25.190Okay, unmedicated in fact, becauseof issues not being able to get25700:17:25.230 --> 00:17:30.019Medicaid and not yet. And soshe's got a very serious mental illness.25800:17:30.539 --> 00:17:37.779Lots of other kids, no family, I don't believe, around other than25900:17:37.859 --> 00:17:44.259this boyfriend who actually didn't want herto abort the child. But she was26000:17:45.369 --> 00:17:48.210off her meds. Was Schizophrenia.And so she you would see that the26100:17:48.289 --> 00:17:52.890mental illness would sometimes be speaking.Yeah, sometimes she'd beat more coherent.26200:17:53.049 --> 00:17:59.960She started off really angry, verydefensive, very paranoid, and as the26300:18:00.119 --> 00:18:04.720conversation evolved I first fall. Itwas as the conversation evolved that I found26400:18:04.720 --> 00:18:10.359out about the schizophrenia. But shewas able to list the major obstacles and26500:18:10.720 --> 00:18:15.109and we were able to say hey, we have resources that can help you.26600:18:15.670 --> 00:18:22.230We scheduled an ultrasound for her andshe was all set to drive to26700:18:22.589 --> 00:18:27.819that it. She had to gosome distance because our ultrasound was not out26800:18:27.859 --> 00:18:33.539that day, our mobile ultrasound unit. So got that all set up.26900:18:33.220 --> 00:18:37.539Told her about the mentorship program throughLove Life Charlotte and that we were going27000:18:37.700 --> 00:18:41.970to sign her up for that.The next day we would call her and27100:18:41.170 --> 00:18:48.210we would also ask her about howthe ultrasound went. So it that night.27200:18:48.490 --> 00:18:52.009She didn't pick up the phone.The next day she still didn't pick27300:18:52.049 --> 00:18:57.400up the phone. I had assignedher to Leah to work out the Ment27400:18:57.440 --> 00:19:00.960Council, the new councilor to workout the mentorship program with her, because27500:19:02.359 --> 00:19:04.920everything else was done. She shewas on on board, the boyfriend was27600:19:06.039 --> 00:19:07.519on board, they had gone offto see their baby, as far as27700:19:07.599 --> 00:19:14.269we knew, and several days wentby. Lee was all prepared. Several27800:19:14.269 --> 00:19:17.309days go by, we still haven'theard anything from her. We assume she's27900:19:17.349 --> 00:19:23.859aborted. Yeah, and then outof the blue she called me and left28000:19:26.619 --> 00:19:29.619a message that when I think wasa nice message, I kind of get28100:19:29.700 --> 00:19:33.299them mixed up, but saying shedid want an ultrasound so apparently had not28200:19:33.380 --> 00:19:38.369been to the first ultrasound. Iencourage her to please contact Leah and and28300:19:38.569 --> 00:19:42.089be signed up for the mannorship programand we would try and arrange the ultrasound.28400:19:42.130 --> 00:19:47.250And while she did contactly, andwhile she was talking to Leah,28500:19:47.769 --> 00:19:52.329threatened to commit suicide well, andjust was flipping out and then the phone28600:19:52.329 --> 00:19:56.119went dead. So Leah contacted me. Please call her right away. I'm28700:19:56.160 --> 00:20:00.240so worried. I'm so scared.I did. She was still upset,28800:20:00.440 --> 00:20:04.039but not she had calmed down andby the end of our discussion, then28900:20:04.079 --> 00:20:08.430she's back on track. She's goingto get the mentorship program, she's gonna29000:20:10.309 --> 00:20:15.509she we set up a new ultrasoundand to get her her medication. That29100:20:15.670 --> 00:20:19.029was the part of the things thatI outlined. I outline things that she29200:20:19.109 --> 00:20:22.819needed to do immediately and one ofthose was we needed to get her on29300:20:22.980 --> 00:20:30.579medications. We for this very significantmental illness. So our pro life doctor29400:20:30.619 --> 00:20:33.819who works with us, he agreedto call all her and talk with her29500:20:33.859 --> 00:20:37.329about what medication she could take andtold told us she should go immediately to29600:20:37.369 --> 00:20:41.250the ear. Yeah, talking aboutmedications she could take in light of being29700:20:41.289 --> 00:20:44.930pregnant. And that's what exactly I'msorry, yes, exactly, and so29800:20:45.009 --> 00:20:52.839so she I assume that she hadgone to the ear because late, late29900:20:52.920 --> 00:20:56.960that night I was sleeping. Butlate that night I got a phone call.30000:20:56.000 --> 00:21:00.319I could not begin to repeat allthe words that were used, and30100:21:00.839 --> 00:21:07.630she left a message just furious andspewing hate and anger, saying that that30200:21:07.390 --> 00:21:11.829the medication that we had told hercould not be taken while pregnant and just30300:21:12.150 --> 00:21:17.549and we don't do anything we've promised, even though everything that we had promised30400:21:17.990 --> 00:21:21.460was through the mentor and the shehad not yet. Can't, you know,30500:21:21.579 --> 00:21:25.980followed through on the mentorship program yeah, anyway, so I thought that's30600:21:26.019 --> 00:21:27.779probably the last time going to hearfrom her or but I did. I30700:21:27.859 --> 00:21:32.700did actually text her a nice notethe next morning saying we'd love to help30800:21:32.740 --> 00:21:36.049you, just give me a callwhen you're ready. Yeah, and a30900:21:37.289 --> 00:21:42.049long time goes by and we findout later that she had actually gone to31000:21:42.250 --> 00:21:45.849that ultrasound that first day. Okay, so she went right from the abortions31100:21:45.890 --> 00:21:49.319and yeah, it just like wetold her too. But she was found31200:21:49.400 --> 00:21:53.440not pregnant. Okay, it wasnot pregnant. So all of that anger31300:21:53.880 --> 00:22:00.200and everything was while she's not pregnantand she knew she wasn't pretty. seither31400:22:00.480 --> 00:22:06.150you, unless you know she doeshave schizophrenia, so maybe something, but31500:22:06.750 --> 00:22:12.230but so, so that that ended. At that point I thought the story31600:22:12.390 --> 00:22:18.140was over and before I knew thatshe was not pregnant, I was certain31700:22:18.180 --> 00:22:23.380that she had just gone and abortedthe baby. Yeah, but but then31800:22:23.819 --> 00:22:29.819some sometime we were all discouraged.Leah was discouraged. I had thought this31900:22:29.980 --> 00:22:33.130was going to be a great learningexperience for Lee and it turned out to32000:22:33.329 --> 00:22:40.170be traumatic for Boileia or other counselor, and we had offered so much to32100:22:40.329 --> 00:22:44.250this woman. She didn't follow thesteps necessary to avail ourselves of them.32200:22:44.640 --> 00:22:49.519But we'd offered all of this andshe had disregarded and then lied to us.32300:22:49.559 --> 00:22:53.039Yeah, lied to us about whethershe was pregnant or not. And32400:22:53.480 --> 00:22:59.509so that was a story that wasvery disheartening. It it did not turn32500:22:59.549 --> 00:23:03.990out well and it was one ofthose impossible situations. We didn't really quite32600:23:03.069 --> 00:23:07.750know what to do. Yeah,and this is a story that initially we32700:23:07.869 --> 00:23:11.349were like, praise Lord, Lea, being a brand new counselor, had32800:23:11.470 --> 00:23:15.940this interaction right turned out good.The lady left from driving, she was32900:23:15.940 --> 00:23:19.700driving to the abortion center, basicallycut a one hundred and eighty degree turn33000:23:19.859 --> 00:23:22.700in the road and turn back aroundto go to the pregnancy center. Did33100:23:23.059 --> 00:23:26.690and initially we're like, praise God, God use this new counselor who had33200:23:26.730 --> 00:23:32.369just stepped out Yep in and kindof a really uncomfortable area. I mean33300:23:32.769 --> 00:23:37.289do aministrate an abortion clinic is veryuncomfortable for anybody, yeah, but especially33400:23:37.289 --> 00:23:41.440a young lady like her to write. And so we were encouraged initially and33500:23:41.559 --> 00:23:47.319then then later own discouraged by theinteractions. Is this. Yeah, he33600:23:47.440 --> 00:23:49.400brought about, and so I willbe very honest, some of the the33700:23:51.359 --> 00:23:55.519issues that went through my head,where this is a woman with several children,33800:23:55.559 --> 00:24:02.309a significant mental illness, yeah,pregnant, already, showing and UNMEDICATED,33900:24:02.349 --> 00:24:07.069showing the volatility emotionally and all Iwas thinking, what is going to34000:24:07.150 --> 00:24:11.259happen to this poor baby? Yeah, that that she's carrying in her roomb34100:24:11.339 --> 00:24:14.900yeah, right now, and youreally start to question, not only did34200:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.660I do everything right, but washe even right in doing anything right?34300:24:18.700 --> 00:24:22.619Yeah, and I you know,ultimately I do believe that I was.34400:24:22.900 --> 00:24:26.890Well, that's something I want usto want us to just hang right there34500:24:26.930 --> 00:24:30.930for a second so that people understandthat these are real struggles that we have34600:24:32.049 --> 00:24:34.410in our mind. That's right.That's right, because we've dealt with situations34700:24:34.490 --> 00:24:41.400where we've got a family who,maybe it's a single mom that has six34800:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.039kids. I'm thinking of a particularsituation. Yeah, a young lady that34900:24:45.119 --> 00:24:48.920has six kids. Yeah, she'slike in her mid S. Wow,35000:24:48.440 --> 00:24:56.269wow, and six kids, pregnantagain. Yeah, the kids all have35100:24:56.430 --> 00:25:00.750different father's. Yeah, and it'slike wow, you look at that situation,35200:25:00.869 --> 00:25:03.670you like, wow, if thereever was a situation where I could35300:25:03.670 --> 00:25:06.789put my stamp of approval on abortion, this would be one. Yeah,35400:25:06.789 --> 00:25:08.819because this kid is not going todis like the other kids, not going35500:25:08.859 --> 00:25:14.339to know his dad, her dad. Yeah, going to be raised in35600:25:14.380 --> 00:25:19.940a very challenging scenario. Yeah,and who knows what's going to be the35700:25:21.019 --> 00:25:26.690outcome. However, we always haveto remember it and we're training our sidewalk35800:25:26.769 --> 00:25:30.450counselors and we're training new sidewalk missionaries. We always touch on this point when35900:25:30.450 --> 00:25:36.599we deal with the hard cases,hard cases like that, like bad fetal36000:25:36.680 --> 00:25:40.519diagnosis and things like that. Itwas always have to remember that abortion is36100:25:40.839 --> 00:25:45.640never the answer because abortion kills aninnocent person. We always have to keep36200:25:45.640 --> 00:25:51.349that in mind. Abortion is neverthe solution, and God is always a36300:25:51.710 --> 00:25:55.109consideration in our minds. So wecan say, well, this kid is,36400:25:55.509 --> 00:25:57.869you know, number seven of sixkids at all have a different father,36500:25:57.910 --> 00:26:04.660very difficult situation and, humanly speaking, yet it's impossible for any good36600:26:04.660 --> 00:26:07.819to come out of that. Butwe're not humanly speaking. We have to36700:26:07.900 --> 00:26:15.019speak from the perspective that there isa God that oversees his creation and it36800:26:15.140 --> 00:26:18.609has a plan and a purpose forevery person that he creates and we don't36900:26:18.650 --> 00:26:22.410get to play God. That's right, and these scenarios that we encounter,37000:26:22.609 --> 00:26:26.089difficult as they might be, wedon't get to play God and we don't37100:26:26.089 --> 00:26:29.490get to choose who has value andwho doesn't. It doesn't matter. It37200:26:29.849 --> 00:26:33.039matters in the sense that we careabout this mom, we care about her37300:26:33.039 --> 00:26:36.480struggles, the mental issues that she'sstruggling with, and we care about that37400:26:36.599 --> 00:26:41.599baby that maybe is going to bebrought into those mental struggles. But those37500:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.799that that particular situation does not dictatethe value of that child. That child37600:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.549still is loved by God and knownby him. Yeah, and it's still37700:26:49.670 --> 00:26:53.109wrong to kill him or her.Yeah, and I'm so glad that you've37800:26:53.190 --> 00:26:57.230said all that and because that's sotrue and that's that's where we have to37900:26:57.349 --> 00:27:02.740keep coming back. But I alsothink it is maybe, in a weird38000:27:02.740 --> 00:27:07.059way, encouraging for others to knowthat here. You know, we've had38100:27:07.099 --> 00:27:11.500a lot of success out here,I would say, in literal numbers of38200:27:11.579 --> 00:27:15.569babies saved and and I've been doingthis a long time and it did go38300:27:15.890 --> 00:27:21.210through my mind, should I evenbe talking to this woman about saving her38400:27:21.250 --> 00:27:25.369baby? Yeah, did. Yeah, now I overcame that okay, and38500:27:26.089 --> 00:27:29.490I still stayed true to what Ifelt God had called me to do.38600:27:30.319 --> 00:27:36.000But I think we all probably havethose moments of just yourself questioning and doubt38700:27:36.119 --> 00:27:40.680and wondering, is it okay whatI'm doing? Yeah, and ultimately,38800:27:40.799 --> 00:27:42.680as you described, of course itis, and of course it's not only38900:27:42.799 --> 00:27:47.470thing, it's command. It commanded. Yeah, and you know again we39000:27:47.549 --> 00:27:51.710can kind of get wrapped up inkind of our emotions and what our emotions39100:27:51.789 --> 00:27:55.710dictate to us. That's why isChristians, our emotions can never be the39200:27:55.869 --> 00:28:00.259standard, right, if our emotionsare the standard, then we wouldn't be39300:28:00.500 --> 00:28:03.980out there at all. If ouremotions are the standard, then we would39400:28:03.980 --> 00:28:08.099be okay with babies being killed becausethey're product of rape or incest or the39500:28:08.220 --> 00:28:11.740health of the mother. That's whereyou get in and pro life folks,39600:28:12.089 --> 00:28:15.769so called pro life people, thatleave allowances for those things. It's because39700:28:15.769 --> 00:28:21.410they're driven by their emotions. Andthey talk about an emotional situation where a39800:28:21.450 --> 00:28:26.210woman is a victim of rape andwe can't quite possibly tell her that she39900:28:26.289 --> 00:28:29.880needs to carry that baby to term. Well, we can, because the40000:28:29.960 --> 00:28:33.559Bible says that every human being ismade in God's image and it doesn't give40100:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.680exceptions in their human beings, whoresult of rape or not? Yeah,40200:28:37.720 --> 00:28:41.509valuable. It didn't say that right. Human beings are valuable in the sight40300:28:41.589 --> 00:28:44.589of God because we're made in God'simage. So again, we can't be40400:28:44.750 --> 00:28:49.309led by our feelings, by ouremotions. The Bible is our firm foundation40500:28:49.349 --> 00:28:52.470and that's why you were able togo. And it's not like there were40600:28:52.509 --> 00:28:55.940some big struggle in your mind reallyof whether or not you should talk to40700:28:56.059 --> 00:28:59.180this mom. You knew that youshould, but there's this human kind of40800:28:59.220 --> 00:29:03.460propensity to be led by emotions andyou just push that to the side because40900:29:03.500 --> 00:29:07.180your foundation is in the word ofGod, right, not in humanitarian efforts41000:29:07.299 --> 00:29:12.529or or utilitarian ideas and all thatstuff, but in the scriptures. Yeah,41100:29:12.809 --> 00:29:18.130and while this sort of hurts thepremise of the podcast, I do41200:29:18.329 --> 00:29:23.359have to say that as a recentlythis woman found out that she had a41300:29:23.519 --> 00:29:30.920condition that made the pregnancy test negative. Okay, but she did go to41400:29:30.000 --> 00:29:36.960the AR, she did get hermedication. It turns out she is pregnant.41500:29:37.519 --> 00:29:41.069Our discussion with her and the Boyfriend, which was very gospel focused,41600:29:41.630 --> 00:29:45.990did change her heart. Now shewithout a doubt was not going to abort41700:29:47.309 --> 00:29:51.990this baby. She was full onwanting the child and she signed up for41800:29:52.069 --> 00:29:56.900the love life mentorship program so,which has significant health thanks. kind of41900:29:56.940 --> 00:29:59.140found this out time. I justfound this how today, to tell you42000:29:59.140 --> 00:30:02.900the truth. So this, thiswas an and I think that raises another42100:30:03.140 --> 00:30:07.250really critical point. Stories that turnout bad maybe didn't turn out bad.42200:30:07.329 --> 00:30:11.529Yeah, we don't always hear theend of the store asolutely. So just42300:30:12.170 --> 00:30:15.410know that God can work a miraclebecause if this, if there was ever42400:30:15.450 --> 00:30:19.250a miracle worked, in my opinion, it was how this story, at42500:30:19.289 --> 00:30:22.759least thus far. It could changetomorrow. Sure. Yeah, absolutely now,42600:30:22.880 --> 00:30:26.559and that's one of the things thatI encourage our counselors with all the42700:30:26.680 --> 00:30:30.359time is that, yeah, you'vepoured into a young lady on the sidewalk42800:30:30.559 --> 00:30:33.400and she took your literature and shelooked through it, she considered what you42900:30:33.440 --> 00:30:36.549had to say and then she walkedinto those doors. That is still not43000:30:37.190 --> 00:30:40.349a for sure. She chose abortion. She walks in those doors. We've43100:30:40.349 --> 00:30:44.069had MOMS who, months later,drove back to the clinic to let us43200:30:44.109 --> 00:30:47.549know that they were there and theyleft after we'd left and chose live.43300:30:47.710 --> 00:30:51.420So we should never give up hopeand again, the victory is always in43400:30:51.579 --> 00:30:56.420obeying God and giving the truth.I told one pro abortion person today she43500:30:56.539 --> 00:30:59.859was trying to discourage me by saying, you know, I was calling out43600:30:59.900 --> 00:31:02.539to a lady going in, caughtout to actually several, and she said43700:31:02.980 --> 00:31:04.609you've not gotten anyone to come overand all you you've gotten. You've not43800:31:04.730 --> 00:31:08.450gotten anyone to to take you upon your offers to to get information or43900:31:08.450 --> 00:31:11.690anything like that. I said,listen, I'm just the mail man.44000:31:12.089 --> 00:31:15.609I'm here to deliver the mail.Right, it's not. I can't open44100:31:15.650 --> 00:31:18.240the mail for him. Right.I'm just delivering the mail. So we44200:31:18.319 --> 00:31:21.400kind of give that as an exampleof what we're out there to do,44300:31:21.519 --> 00:31:22.839whether to deliverence. By the way, I heard that our sink. I'm44400:31:22.880 --> 00:31:26.680going to use that. The mailman, he doesn't have anything to do with44500:31:26.720 --> 00:31:30.400it. Well or not it's open, he just delivers it and that's what44600:31:30.480 --> 00:31:32.839we're here to do, to deliverthe mountain. Now I hope and pray44700:31:33.269 --> 00:31:34.869that they do open the mail,that do take what we're delivering to them44800:31:34.950 --> 00:31:40.549the truth, and they open itup and listen and contemplated and many do44900:31:41.230 --> 00:31:45.630unfortunately, many don't. So let'sjump into another story that and it's maybe45000:31:45.069 --> 00:31:48.980didn't end well. Yes, asfar as far as we know. So45100:31:48.099 --> 00:31:56.819this was a woman who came outof of the abortion center. She comes45200:31:56.900 --> 00:32:02.410through the bushes to come towards ourcounselors and said that she had chosen life.45300:32:02.529 --> 00:32:06.369Yeah, that I don't know ifit was things that she had heard.45400:32:06.369 --> 00:32:08.809I think it was for through allof our calling out that day.45500:32:08.890 --> 00:32:15.289So she comes to the bushes toUS crying. Our whole counseling group just45600:32:15.490 --> 00:32:20.559we all surrounded her and just thespirit of God filled us and we all45700:32:20.640 --> 00:32:23.640just surrounded her and hugged her.We all prayed in a huddle around her,45800:32:23.799 --> 00:32:29.039hugging her. Yeah, remember that. She was very like moved by45900:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.309the fact that we were we werethere in encouraging yeah, Yeahd you guys46000:32:32.390 --> 00:32:35.869were here, right. She initiallysaid, I think, that she was46100:32:35.910 --> 00:32:38.549angry that we were there. Right, but what we said ultimately, she46200:32:38.710 --> 00:32:43.190said, pierced her hard and shechose not to have the abortion. Yeah.46300:32:43.309 --> 00:32:45.500Yeah, so she was inviting usto come and pray over her,46400:32:45.579 --> 00:32:50.660and did and and and she's heand I started. She had not even46500:32:50.700 --> 00:32:53.019asked for any help yet, butI started sharing with her all the help46600:32:53.140 --> 00:32:58.650that we had and she started cryingagain and saying she couldn't believe it and46700:32:59.130 --> 00:33:05.289just was overwhelmed by all that wewere offering and was so excited and she46800:33:05.970 --> 00:33:09.490had truly made a hundred eighty degreeturn around to now. You know,46900:33:09.650 --> 00:33:13.720you guys need to be out thereall the time, every day, which47000:33:13.720 --> 00:33:17.279we are. Yeah, but becauseyou're so valuable, she would have aborted47100:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.839her baby and she said that itwas us being there that had made the47200:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.799difference and turned her to life.So she and her boyfriend drive away and47300:33:24.880 --> 00:33:30.549we're all cheering and overjoyed. Yeah, we were just delighted. Everybody's,47400:33:30.670 --> 00:33:36.950you know, praising God and sayingHallelujah and word for victory exactly. And47500:33:37.230 --> 00:33:40.390we go and the glorious part ofit for me was, I mean baby47600:33:40.500 --> 00:33:44.339was saved. That was awesome.But it happened right in front of the47700:33:44.420 --> 00:33:46.099pro abortion people. I say that, you know, nobody wants to talk47800:33:46.140 --> 00:33:50.019to you and all this. IHa. Yeah, take that. Yeah,47900:33:50.059 --> 00:33:52.859that's right. Not that we glowtweed, never go try, not48000:33:52.980 --> 00:33:58.490the right, but the grace ofyeah, but anyway, so I'm at48100:33:58.569 --> 00:34:02.569home and that it's like going ontowards dinner time and I get a call48200:34:04.009 --> 00:34:07.170from one of our councilors. Itsaid, Vickie, I hate to be48300:34:07.329 --> 00:34:09.960the person to tell you this,but I just drove back by the abortion48400:34:10.119 --> 00:34:17.079center and that woman from that morningshe's back. She's the last one they're48500:34:17.840 --> 00:34:23.590she's coming out of the abortion centerand she is with the boyfriend and I48600:34:23.630 --> 00:34:27.590said, are you positive it's her? They they were so, yeah,48700:34:27.710 --> 00:34:30.190Oh, yeah. So now Iknew how far along this woman was.48800:34:30.469 --> 00:34:35.630I knew she was sixteen weeks,which is probably a two day procedure,48900:34:35.710 --> 00:34:39.699and in the first day procedure theyput in the seaweed stomach our Lamin area,49000:34:42.139 --> 00:34:49.739which softens the Cervix and allows theabortionist two more easily enter and remove.49100:34:49.940 --> 00:34:52.050Maybe this is a basic teaching momentto rabbit trail real quick, because49200:34:52.050 --> 00:34:57.130it is helpful that we understand abortionprocedures. Yes, and so this young49300:34:57.170 --> 00:35:00.170lady be in sixteen weeks is kindof right at the threshold, or they49400:35:00.170 --> 00:35:04.530would have to do a two dayabortion right procedure. And ultimately what they've49500:35:04.530 --> 00:35:07.079got to do that they've got toexpand the cervix in such a way where49600:35:07.119 --> 00:35:10.639they can get the instruments in thereto dismember the baby. At that point49700:35:10.760 --> 00:35:15.000the baby's is pretty big. It'sas team weeks until whether or not it's49800:35:15.000 --> 00:35:17.000a boy or girl at that point. Yeah, and so the Lemon area49900:35:17.079 --> 00:35:22.989are basically little seaweed rods that expandwith moisture, and so they will insert50000:35:22.590 --> 00:35:27.190three, four five of those intothe cervix. They're really small until they50100:35:27.230 --> 00:35:31.070get moisture and then they expand andthen, you know, it takes twelve50200:35:31.230 --> 00:35:36.380hours or so, I guess,for them to expand to the point where50300:35:36.500 --> 00:35:38.139ultimately, on the next day she'llgo back, the doctor will remove the50400:35:38.179 --> 00:35:43.699lemon area the service is expanded enoughwhere he can get other tools in there50500:35:43.780 --> 00:35:45.739to expand it a little further andthen get the instruments in there. Right50600:35:45.860 --> 00:35:47.980and a child. So she wasat the first day of that. It50700:35:49.139 --> 00:35:52.809was sheep. I assumed. Ididn't know because I hadn't talked to her,50800:35:52.889 --> 00:35:57.289but I that was my assumption andassumption that that hopefully was going to50900:35:57.329 --> 00:36:00.449save that baby's life, because thelemon area do not harm the child.51000:36:00.650 --> 00:36:02.449Yeah, what it does is itwe can see the cervix, which is51100:36:02.530 --> 00:36:08.920not good and some women do spontaneouslyaboard because the cervix has been weakened so51200:36:09.079 --> 00:36:14.920much and so they they can't holdthe baby in. Yeah, but but51300:36:15.119 --> 00:36:19.389knowing that, I texted her rightaway and I said I know that you51400:36:19.429 --> 00:36:22.630were back at the abortion center.One of our councilors saw you. Was51500:36:23.030 --> 00:36:28.349Was it the first day of atwo day procedure? And she admitted it51600:36:28.670 --> 00:36:31.309was, and she told me whyshe had returned and I must say again,51700:36:31.940 --> 00:36:36.099you know, I understood. Yeah, I don't. I didn't,51800:36:36.539 --> 00:36:39.539you know, I didn't say itwas okay, but but I understood why.51900:36:39.659 --> 00:36:45.260She was being black backmailed by thethe dad of the baby with some52000:36:45.380 --> 00:36:52.530pretty horrific things and she just wasterrified. So she but she told me52100:36:52.650 --> 00:36:55.449it was day one and I explainedabout the Lamin area. said she could52200:36:55.570 --> 00:37:00.809reverse that, she could have thoseremoved, go to an r immediately.52300:37:00.929 --> 00:37:04.960We would have our pro life DrCall and console with her, but those,52400:37:05.119 --> 00:37:07.519they could be removed, the babywould be safe. She had already52500:37:07.519 --> 00:37:09.719started home, which was, Idon't know, an hour away, and52600:37:09.880 --> 00:37:14.559she said when she would go tothe hospital nearer home and our pro life52700:37:14.599 --> 00:37:17.429doctor said she would be fine.Yeah, he told us. He's actually52800:37:17.510 --> 00:37:22.469removed those rods. The next dayand the baby's fine, but and the52900:37:22.789 --> 00:37:27.389the servics just tightens back up goesback to normal. Yeah, so she53000:37:27.630 --> 00:37:32.380even showed me on her gps thelike, every few minutes an update of53100:37:32.460 --> 00:37:36.340where her car was, how closeshe was the hospital she was. She53200:37:36.820 --> 00:37:38.940had not known it could be reverse. She had already regretted that she had53300:37:38.980 --> 00:37:45.769put the had the Lamin area putin and she wanted to stop it and53400:37:45.010 --> 00:37:49.929to go to the AR and tryto save her baby. And so we53500:37:50.050 --> 00:37:55.250texted a lot until it was gettingshe pulled into the ear and said we're53600:37:55.369 --> 00:37:59.360here, and then I didn't hearfrom her. I text a few times53700:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.320but I didn't hear from her.From her, I went to bed praying53800:38:01.360 --> 00:38:07.840and hoping that everything was well.That night I got a text from apparently53900:38:07.920 --> 00:38:14.309the boy friend, who said thatthey the baby was fine but they had54000:38:14.429 --> 00:38:19.550decided they would return to kill thebaby the next day. So I didn't54100:38:19.550 --> 00:38:22.590get that text till early the nextmorning, like five am. I started54200:38:22.710 --> 00:38:29.300texting back and texting everything I couldthink the the humanity, the baby are54300:38:29.420 --> 00:38:34.619resources, the development of a sixteenweek old and each center a video of54400:38:34.659 --> 00:38:38.139a sixteen week old in the womband description of what happens to that sixteen54500:38:38.139 --> 00:38:43.489week old baby in an abortion everything. And what I got back almost right54600:38:43.530 --> 00:38:49.730away was vile anger from the boyfriend, not from the mom, just saying54700:38:49.769 --> 00:38:54.650leave us alone, and and andhe said some really nasty, very maybe54800:38:54.719 --> 00:38:59.599similar things to the pro abortion theairiesthat we read. Yes, you know,54900:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.199worse. And and again I justtexted back, we're here to help,55000:39:05.519 --> 00:39:08.360please don't kill your baby and letus help you. And then that55100:39:08.599 --> 00:39:13.590was it. I never never heardanything else. So the last text from55200:39:13.630 --> 00:39:19.230the woman had been very sweet andoverjoyed that the baby could be saved and55300:39:19.349 --> 00:39:24.579kind, and then these ongoing textcouple of text from the boyfriend were very55400:39:24.659 --> 00:39:29.179nasty and they were going to killthe baby. The woman did not return55500:39:29.619 --> 00:39:32.099to the abortion center the next daybecause I was there at least the littery55600:39:32.139 --> 00:39:37.500abortion centers, right and she's alreadypaid and I knew money was was tight.55700:39:37.730 --> 00:39:45.010So I assume my my hopeful heartthings maybe the boyfriend got ahold of55800:39:45.090 --> 00:39:49.809the phone and that the woman reallyhad had the Laminaria removed and just never55900:39:49.929 --> 00:39:52.730got our phone back, but I'llnever know. Yeah, but that was56000:39:52.880 --> 00:39:58.000a an extremely discouraging story because,again, for kind of the same reason56100:39:58.039 --> 00:40:01.920as the prior story, we wereall rejoicing that that we had overcome,56200:40:02.159 --> 00:40:10.269with God, this really significantly difficultcase. Yeah, and and then it56300:40:10.670 --> 00:40:15.230turned around where it wasn't what wethought it was. Yes, yeah,56400:40:15.869 --> 00:40:20.309yeah, and of course that's one. These are two of many stories that56500:40:20.349 --> 00:40:25.460we could tell you, guys,and yet still we continue on. Right.56600:40:27.300 --> 00:40:30.260These are stories. Some of thestories, like, we had to56700:40:30.380 --> 00:40:36.449pick and choose because we don't wantto shame the people that chose to apparently,56800:40:36.530 --> 00:40:38.409for us, we know to choseto have an abortion. We don't56900:40:38.409 --> 00:40:43.769want to just kind of plaster allthe negative story and all that stuff.57000:40:43.809 --> 00:40:45.289So some things, if we,if we shared some of the stories,57100:40:45.329 --> 00:40:50.000we be sharing details because we haveto. That would maybe show who the57200:40:50.079 --> 00:40:52.519person was and all of that.So we don't want to do that.57300:40:52.639 --> 00:40:53.800So just take my word for it, guys. There's a lot of other57400:40:53.880 --> 00:40:57.920stories that we could share. Thedidn't turn out like we hope that they57500:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.360would turn out. Yeah, however, we do have to remind ourselves that57600:41:01.519 --> 00:41:06.949we're not out there for ourselves,we're not out there to make ourselves feel57700:41:06.949 --> 00:41:09.829better about being Christians or whatever.We're out there for the Lord and again57800:41:09.869 --> 00:41:14.030the victory is in obedience and weobey God. When we do what God57900:41:14.150 --> 00:41:16.070us has said for us to do, give a voice to those that don't58000:41:16.070 --> 00:41:21.420have a voice, then we're victoriousin that, whether we see baby saved58100:41:21.460 --> 00:41:22.539or not, whether we see Imean I think of a story. I58200:41:22.659 --> 00:41:27.420think I've shared this story quite afew times on this podcast, maybe not,58300:41:28.179 --> 00:41:31.300but of the mom of twins,eighteen week twins, who walked out58400:41:31.340 --> 00:41:35.530of the abortion center on board theMobile Ultra sound unit that was parked in58500:41:35.570 --> 00:41:39.010front of the abortion center. Thisis some years ago, and the counselor58600:41:39.170 --> 00:41:44.369and the nurse both poured into thisyoung lady, I mean showed her every58700:41:44.489 --> 00:41:47.360reason to trust the Lord, everyresource that was available, all the things58800:41:47.400 --> 00:41:51.800that she was struggling with had answersand there was there were things that we58900:41:51.840 --> 00:41:53.559could point her to to show herthat she didn't have to have the abortion.59000:41:54.159 --> 00:41:59.840She got the ultrasound. The counselorand the nurse both saw two babies59100:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.829on that screen. She was eighteenweeks along, so you see everything.59200:42:01.869 --> 00:42:06.349Yeah, fully developed. Little couldtell whether it's a boy or girl.59300:42:06.789 --> 00:42:09.989You could see all the fingers andtoes. I mean you could see him59400:42:10.030 --> 00:42:15.179sometimes sucking their thumb. Yeah,even earlier than that and even after all59500:42:15.219 --> 00:42:19.579that was said and done, shestepped right off of that mobile unit,59600:42:19.739 --> 00:42:23.139right off of that that Mobultra soundunit, walked into that abortion center,59700:42:23.219 --> 00:42:28.780yeah, and began the process tokill those twins and from what we know,59800:42:29.300 --> 00:42:31.409she went through it. But happened. So it's so discouraging. But59900:42:31.690 --> 00:42:35.610you know, I want to reada verse that, or maybe you can60000:42:35.650 --> 00:42:39.289read it. It's Second Corinthians twelve, yeah, versus nine through ten,60100:42:39.409 --> 00:42:49.280because ultimately, I think what everysidewalk counselor will discover is that we cannot60200:42:49.400 --> 00:42:53.440do this it in our own strengththrough just simply cannot. We are weak,60300:42:53.960 --> 00:42:59.389we are only out there and ableto withstand the highs and the lows60400:42:59.469 --> 00:43:04.829and stories like this that could justcause such despair that we would quit.60500:43:05.230 --> 00:43:09.030The only reason we don't is Christ, yeah, and and our allegiance to60600:43:09.110 --> 00:43:14.059him and our belief that he hascalled us to this word. Yeah,60700:43:14.179 --> 00:43:19.659absolutely. So this is the secondor Second Corinthians twelve versus none through ten.60800:43:20.340 --> 00:43:22.059And this is the Apostle Paul.He says and he said to me,60900:43:22.619 --> 00:43:27.730my grace is sufficient for you,for power is perfected in weakness.61000:43:28.369 --> 00:43:31.610Most gladly, therefore, I willrather boast in my weaknesses so that the61100:43:31.650 --> 00:43:37.449power of Christ may dwell in me. Therefore, I'm well content with weakness,61200:43:37.929 --> 00:43:42.000with insults, with distresses, withpersecutions, with difficulties, for Christ's61300:43:42.000 --> 00:43:45.239sake, for when I am weak, then I am strong. Yeah,61400:43:45.800 --> 00:43:50.159and this is the the heart ofthe believer, right, that we understand61500:43:50.719 --> 00:43:54.280that we need the Lord. Thisis John Chapter Fifteen. Jesus said I61600:43:54.360 --> 00:44:00.550am the vine, you are thebranches right apart from me. You can61700:44:00.630 --> 00:44:05.469do nothing. The branches must haveabide in the vine and then we'll bear61800:44:05.550 --> 00:44:08.230fruit. And so I on't encourageyou guys, as you're out there on61900:44:08.269 --> 00:44:14.980the sidewalk and there's the stories,these discouraging stories come up and maybe you're62000:44:15.019 --> 00:44:17.340looking at what's going on at othercities. You're looking on what's going on62100:44:17.500 --> 00:44:22.699here in Charlotte or or wherever else, and God's doing some amazing things across62200:44:22.739 --> 00:44:24.889the nation, across the world,and Pro Life Ministry, Praise God for62300:44:25.010 --> 00:44:28.369that. You're looking at some ofthat and you're like, well, that's62400:44:28.409 --> 00:44:31.409not happening here or why? Ihad some stories I thought were good,62500:44:31.449 --> 00:44:34.369but they didn't turn out so good. I want to encourage you these.62600:44:35.010 --> 00:44:37.760We're all dealing with those, weall have those struggles, we all have62700:44:38.280 --> 00:44:43.320those situations we have to deal with, but we have to stay tapped into62800:44:43.360 --> 00:44:46.320the true vine. We have tobe motivated by love for God first and62900:44:46.400 --> 00:44:49.960then, I of that flows alove for our neighbor, and we can63000:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.469remain faithful even in these difficult situations, even through these difficult stories that didn't63100:44:54.469 --> 00:44:58.670turn out so good, because,after all, again it it's not about63200:44:58.670 --> 00:45:01.469us, it's about the Lord,and we're called to be his hands,63300:45:01.550 --> 00:45:06.070his feet and to be a voicefor the voiceless, whether people are going63400:45:06.150 --> 00:45:08.980to listen or not. That's right. So, with that guy's hope,63500:45:08.980 --> 00:45:13.219you were encouraged. I hope thiswas a blessing to you. I hope63600:45:13.260 --> 00:45:15.179that you will share this podcast andI hope that you will leave us a63700:45:15.300 --> 00:45:20.059review. If you can squeeze outfive stars, that would be great.63800:45:20.539 --> 00:45:23.449You can do for I guess that'llbe okay, but just don't talk about63900:45:23.449 --> 00:45:27.889eating fetuses or anything like that inyour view, because that would be demented64000:45:28.010 --> 00:45:30.809and weird and we know that youwouldn't. We know that you would leave64100:45:30.809 --> 00:45:35.530us awesome review about how great thisis, and we would encourage you guys64200:45:35.530 --> 00:45:37.719also to reach out to us.Reach out to me deep parks at cities64300:45:37.760 --> 00:45:43.320for lifecom. That will be changingin the coming weeks as we've transition emerged64400:45:43.360 --> 00:45:45.639into love life. For now youcan still reach me at DP parks,64500:45:45.639 --> 00:45:49.639at cities for lifecom. You canreach her at Vcasti Orgat cities for lifecom64600:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.710still, and we'd love to hearsome suggestions of podcasts, some suggestions of64700:45:53.789 --> 00:45:57.949things that maybe we could change inthe podcast, maybe some things that we've64800:45:57.949 --> 00:46:00.309done in the past you'd like forus to do again. Maybe liked US64900:46:00.389 --> 00:46:04.030reading some of the pro abortion reviewsand you want to hear more of that.65000:46:04.340 --> 00:46:06.739There's plenty of them, so wecan real a lot of them.65100:46:07.380 --> 00:46:09.500But again, we hope this wasa blessing you, guys, and until65200:46:09.539 --> 00:46:22.489next time, God bless give meour love for love, give me our65300:46:22.809 --> 00:46:34.840love for gratitude. I know itwill cost me my life. Nothing's too65400:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.320precious and some that you