Aug. 14, 2019

New To The Pro-Life Movement - Interview with Justin Reeder of Love Life

New To The Pro-Life Movement - Interview with Justin Reeder of Love Life

Justin Reeder, founder of Love Life, is rather new to the prolife movement. He shares his heart and how the Lord called him to lay aside his plans to lead a prayer movement at local abortion clinics.


Justin Reeder, founder of Love Life, is rather new to the prolife movement. He shares his heart and how the Lord called him to lay aside his plans to lead a prayer movement at local abortion clinics. 

www.lovelife.org 

www.sidewalks4life.com 

www.charlotte.cities4life.com 

 

Transcript
WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:05.799 I Am Yours, I am yours, I am yours, s and me, 2 00:00:06.160 --> 00:00:11.029 Lord, I am yours. Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast 3 00:00:11.269 --> 00:00:15.230 and this episode we're going to interview justin reader, founder of Love Life Charlotte. 4 00:00:15.349 --> 00:00:17.710 He's going to share his heart and how he got involved in the pro 5 00:00:17.829 --> 00:00:29.100 life movement. Stay tuned, Lord, I felt show passish touch your heart. 6 00:00:32.140 --> 00:00:36.450 Welcome to the Gospel Center pro life podcast. Justin reader is the founder 7 00:00:36.570 --> 00:00:39.969 of Love Life Charlotte, which is a ministry that does prayer walks at the 8 00:00:40.009 --> 00:00:42.890 local abortion clinics here and then. The Lord is really just open up the 9 00:00:42.969 --> 00:00:49.369 door for for all around our state and Raleigh, now in Greensboro and now 10 00:00:49.609 --> 00:00:52.799 ultimately in New York, and we might talk a little bit about this about 11 00:00:52.840 --> 00:00:57.399 that as we kind of progress. But yeah, just introduce yourself real quick. 12 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.159 Again, I introduce you, but introduce yourself. Sometimes it's better for 13 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.349 people to hear from yeah, sure, just an ordinary guy married to a 14 00:01:03.430 --> 00:01:07.629 beautiful bribe Jennifer reader. Have three kids, five year old, of four 15 00:01:07.670 --> 00:01:11.069 year old and a nine month old. Business guy here in the city's had 16 00:01:11.069 --> 00:01:15.870 a business for about fourteen years, originally from south Florida, but kind of 17 00:01:17.030 --> 00:01:19.659 what started this whole thing was in two thousand and twelve and I had some 18 00:01:19.700 --> 00:01:22.780 people invite me out to the abortion clinic and, yeah, really disrupted my 19 00:01:22.900 --> 00:01:26.620 journey. Then we launched love life in two thousand and sixteen. Yeah, 20 00:01:26.819 --> 00:01:29.099 I'm want to jump right in that because that's sort of why I wanted to 21 00:01:29.180 --> 00:01:33.129 talk with you, not because you're like this big pro life leader, so 22 00:01:33.290 --> 00:01:34.450 to speak, or like you know, you've been in this battle for a 23 00:01:34.569 --> 00:01:38.090 long time. Your Business Guy, right, you're just a business guy, 24 00:01:38.290 --> 00:01:42.090 going about your business, making some money. Yep, sewing into the kingdom, 25 00:01:42.090 --> 00:01:46.609 right, your believer, you love Jesus, and then some guys invite 26 00:01:46.609 --> 00:01:49.000 you out to an abortion clinic, and that's you know, a lot of 27 00:01:49.079 --> 00:01:53.519 people, I think, all Christians. We actually had a podcast last week, 28 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.359 the men Vicki did, about can you be pro choice and a Christian? 29 00:01:56.359 --> 00:01:59.000 Yeah, that's like we came to inclusion that you can't. You can't 30 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.510 be for abortion and a Christian. And so we you know, we know 31 00:02:01.629 --> 00:02:06.950 that Christians just in general would tend to be pro life, at least politically 32 00:02:06.950 --> 00:02:09.750 aligned with prolife things, and so most of us think, yeah, if 33 00:02:09.789 --> 00:02:13.629 somebody asses your pro life, you to said, yeah, right before you 34 00:02:13.710 --> 00:02:15.740 came to an abortion clinic. Yeah, I mean that was a camp I 35 00:02:15.860 --> 00:02:17.939 was in. I mean, I definitely would have told everybody else pro life. 36 00:02:19.099 --> 00:02:22.020 Yeah, you know, but for whatever reason, man, I just 37 00:02:22.180 --> 00:02:24.099 I didn't really think about it that much. I didn't really think, you 38 00:02:24.219 --> 00:02:27.340 know, that it was happening in the scale, in the magnatude, that 39 00:02:27.419 --> 00:02:30.889 was happening in my city. But it's when it I came face to face 40 00:02:30.009 --> 00:02:34.650 with it is when everything change and I related to the story of actually David 41 00:02:34.689 --> 00:02:37.969 and Golife, right, like David was just delivering pizza to his brother's. 42 00:02:38.050 --> 00:02:39.569 Yeah, right, it's what I call. He's bread and cheese. He's 43 00:02:39.610 --> 00:02:43.449 delivering pigs baggie tales, right, yeah, veggietales, right, if watching 44 00:02:43.490 --> 00:02:46.240 all that lately. But he's just delivering pizza to his brother's, being obedient 45 00:02:46.360 --> 00:02:51.479 to his earthly father. And why he's out doing that? He sees a 46 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:54.439 giant. Yeah, he's a stronghold. It's I was just kind of about 47 00:02:54.520 --> 00:02:59.150 my business, you know, again, growing a business, raising a family, 48 00:03:00.069 --> 00:03:02.750 but my journey got interrupted when I got this invitation to come out here 49 00:03:02.789 --> 00:03:07.110 to the abortion clinic. Yeah, and when I saw this giant in our 50 00:03:07.189 --> 00:03:09.949 city. My heart, of course, broke over my own lack of action. 51 00:03:10.030 --> 00:03:15.180 I was convicted of that. I knew that needed to change. But 52 00:03:15.979 --> 00:03:20.180 my mind is started going to places immediately like and I know there's so many 53 00:03:20.259 --> 00:03:23.219 churches here in the city. I know I belong to a great church. 54 00:03:23.379 --> 00:03:25.419 I believe they would want to be involved with something like this. If they 55 00:03:25.539 --> 00:03:29.490 really saw what I saw, I believe their heart would break. Yeah, 56 00:03:29.930 --> 00:03:34.009 and so you know, the Lord just started seating some things from the very 57 00:03:34.050 --> 00:03:38.330 first time out here. Yeah, so one of the focuses for this podcast 58 00:03:38.409 --> 00:03:39.090 and again, one of the reasons why I want to talk to you is 59 00:03:39.090 --> 00:03:42.800 because you're just like this, you know, the business guy you didn't go 60 00:03:42.960 --> 00:03:46.240 to, you know, formal training, is a pastor or ministry leader, 61 00:03:46.360 --> 00:03:49.520 and neither to die. But you know, God gets us and and and 62 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:52.879 it's kind of sets us up right and in these situations, that's how the 63 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:57.069 Lord set me up as I came out to an abortion clinic with a children's 64 00:03:57.069 --> 00:04:00.069 group at the abortion clinic on Hebron streets in the Lord get a hold of 65 00:04:00.069 --> 00:04:02.750 my heart. Yeah, and so you've been in this fight for I mean, 66 00:04:02.909 --> 00:04:05.590 yeah, you've been pro life, but as far as like really in 67 00:04:05.669 --> 00:04:10.060 the thick of this spiritual battle, that is, the the pro life issue, 68 00:04:10.139 --> 00:04:14.699 the the abortion battle, and you got in because someone brought you out 69 00:04:14.699 --> 00:04:17.779 to an abortion that it was actually the Benham so, but to really get 70 00:04:17.819 --> 00:04:23.420 into the thick of this thing and a really jump all in like you've done, 71 00:04:24.019 --> 00:04:26.649 like what does it taken in a person's mind? You shared some of 72 00:04:26.689 --> 00:04:29.250 that how God got a hold of your heart, but where they're like things 73 00:04:29.290 --> 00:04:31.329 in your mind that you're like, I don't know if I mean, you 74 00:04:31.449 --> 00:04:34.649 know, our my heart is always or not always, but I give my 75 00:04:34.730 --> 00:04:39.920 heart to the Lord at the age of Lovin and really began walking deeply with 76 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:44.160 the Lord and my early s and my prayer for many, many years have 77 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:46.040 been more break my heart, for what break sures. You know, always 78 00:04:46.079 --> 00:04:50.040 had a heart for missions and for the least of these, and so you 79 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:54.230 know, that was kind of the where my heart was when I came to 80 00:04:54.310 --> 00:04:58.629 a place like this and I saw such brokenness, I saw such hurt and 81 00:04:58.670 --> 00:05:01.589 I saw such need. Yeah, I was. I was broken, and 82 00:05:01.629 --> 00:05:05.389 I believe that's the reaction that most people experience when they come here again. 83 00:05:05.430 --> 00:05:10.860 Yeah, I think that most Christians are were like me or are like me 84 00:05:10.980 --> 00:05:13.459 where they it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. They're not 85 00:05:13.620 --> 00:05:15.980 really thinking about it. Oh, it's a political issue, which is such 86 00:05:15.980 --> 00:05:20.180 a lie. This is a moral issue. And really the question I had 87 00:05:20.180 --> 00:05:24.889 asked myself, and I know it's so simple that I challenge are people that 88 00:05:24.930 --> 00:05:27.490 are coming out for prayer walks with us all the time, is do you 89 00:05:27.689 --> 00:05:30.769 really believe these are children? Were talking right? Ultimately, that's really what 90 00:05:30.850 --> 00:05:34.009 it comes down to, right, because if we really believe these are children 91 00:05:34.009 --> 00:05:38.199 were talking about, we have to live differently. Yeah, I didn't have 92 00:05:38.199 --> 00:05:42.160 a choice to go back to my office and just go go along with my 93 00:05:42.279 --> 00:05:45.839 life as normal. Yeah, if I really believe these were children and my 94 00:05:46.000 --> 00:05:47.560 heart is for the things of God and for the things of his kingdom, 95 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:51.910 like I had to live differently. Yeah, and so, and I believe 96 00:05:51.910 --> 00:05:56.750 that's most people's reaction, those that love God, love people. When they 97 00:05:56.790 --> 00:05:59.829 come out here, they see the brokenness, they say, I have to 98 00:05:59.910 --> 00:06:03.860 do something, and something just recently I shared with you, actually yesterday, 99 00:06:03.939 --> 00:06:08.420 that the Lord is really highlighted for me is, you know, I think 100 00:06:08.459 --> 00:06:11.139 we, most Christians, especially those that are pro life, would always say, 101 00:06:11.180 --> 00:06:13.259 yeah, I believe that's a life in the womb, right, but 102 00:06:13.379 --> 00:06:15.860 the reality is most of us don't ever live like that. Yeah, right, 103 00:06:15.139 --> 00:06:19.889 we in some ways we think that there is a difference between a child 104 00:06:19.930 --> 00:06:24.490 and the womb and the child outside of the womb, but the scripture tells 105 00:06:24.529 --> 00:06:28.129 us differently and we got to stand on God's word in this thing. And 106 00:06:28.730 --> 00:06:31.879 one of the scriptures that really has stirred my heart, especially recently, is 107 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:36.120 in Luke chapter one when it says that the baby leaped in the womb, 108 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:41.160 talking about Elizabeth and John The meds. Yeah, the baby leaped in the 109 00:06:41.240 --> 00:06:45.360 womb and the Greek word for that is Brefos. And you jump over to 110 00:06:45.680 --> 00:06:49.389 Luke Chapter two, when it's describing Jesus outside of the womb, is Angel 111 00:06:49.509 --> 00:06:55.629 speaking to the shepherd's describing the baby outside of the womb, the same exact 112 00:06:55.629 --> 00:06:59.110 Greek word is it is is to describe the child outside of the room, 113 00:06:59.709 --> 00:07:01.500 the womb. Bre Fos. Yeah, you see it even further along in 114 00:07:01.620 --> 00:07:04.660 Luke, I think it's Luke Eighteen, and even in acts Chapter Seven. 115 00:07:04.740 --> 00:07:10.819 And so we have to stand on the word of God that these are children 116 00:07:11.060 --> 00:07:15.339 that we're talking about and God sees zero difference between a child and the womb 117 00:07:15.379 --> 00:07:17.610 and a child outside of the womb. I believe if we can really come 118 00:07:17.689 --> 00:07:23.089 to that type of revelation in our life, then we will live drastically different, 119 00:07:23.170 --> 00:07:26.170 yeah, from from where we were before. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 120 00:07:26.290 --> 00:07:30.600 Kind of bring me into you, because I wasn't there that day. 121 00:07:30.800 --> 00:07:32.920 Actually, I wasn't the director of cities for life when you had first come 122 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:35.759 out. Maybe it's like twelve. Yeah, okay, these two thousand and 123 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.439 twelve. So I came in as direct I was involved. Came in as 124 00:07:39.480 --> 00:07:42.360 a director in two thousand and fifteen. So kind of bring me back to 125 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:45.430 that day and just a little bit of what you saw. Like, you 126 00:07:45.509 --> 00:07:47.189 know, you're standing in front of an abortion clinic. Yeah, obviously not 127 00:07:47.389 --> 00:07:50.029 just looking at a building and that's what Burns your heart. where? What 128 00:07:50.110 --> 00:07:54.389 were some of the things that you were seeing? Yeah, so you're standing 129 00:07:54.430 --> 00:07:58.660 there right across the street here on the trobe in front of the abortion clinic, 130 00:07:58.860 --> 00:08:03.019 and I saw a packed parking lot. There was a lot of cars 131 00:08:03.060 --> 00:08:07.300 there that day and I was seeing people still coming in, driving in, 132 00:08:07.060 --> 00:08:11.139 and as they were driving in I could just see such brokenness. Yeah, 133 00:08:11.180 --> 00:08:16.250 face, just hurt, hopelessness, driving into this place and it just the 134 00:08:16.410 --> 00:08:18.810 again. The reality is like a fresh revelation. Hit me like and there's 135 00:08:18.850 --> 00:08:22.610 a baby that's in the womb. There's a human being, a child, 136 00:08:22.329 --> 00:08:26.089 that is alive. When they walk in those doors that I'm seeing right there, 137 00:08:26.639 --> 00:08:31.480 and when they exit there, a child is gone, child has been 138 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.399 snatched out of the womb. And it was just for me to see the 139 00:08:35.519 --> 00:08:39.720 faces. And I also saw this intense struggle that took place with one mom 140 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:43.190 in the parking lot right she gets out of her car and she starts walking 141 00:08:43.269 --> 00:08:46.710 into the abortion center and then she walks back out, and she walks back 142 00:08:46.830 --> 00:08:52.149 in and she walks back out. You could see the struggle of life first 143 00:08:52.269 --> 00:08:54.950 death, and so that notion that when a woman comes to an abortion clinic 144 00:08:54.029 --> 00:08:56.580 her mind's already made up, that was kind of debunked right away. Yeah, 145 00:08:56.620 --> 00:09:00.940 and I could feel an intense spiritual battle, yeah, being there, 146 00:09:00.980 --> 00:09:03.179 I could feel it, I could sense it, but it was literally manifesting 147 00:09:03.220 --> 00:09:07.179 itself in the physical right in front of me. Yeah, and so these 148 00:09:07.299 --> 00:09:11.009 type of things, as I saw these as real lives. There were no 149 00:09:11.129 --> 00:09:15.009 longer just statistics or out of sight, out of mind. I mean these 150 00:09:15.009 --> 00:09:18.370 are human beings. My heart began to break for the MOMS, for the 151 00:09:18.450 --> 00:09:22.330 DAD's of course, for the children, but even for the workers, people 152 00:09:22.370 --> 00:09:26.720 that are, you know, helping perform these abortions like man like, like 153 00:09:26.840 --> 00:09:28.879 they just been duped by the by the Endemy, like this, they're enslaved 154 00:09:28.960 --> 00:09:33.279 in this thing. And so, yeah, it was visually for me, 155 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.039 as I saw it, and then as I saw Christians that were out there 156 00:09:37.200 --> 00:09:41.149 reaching out. Cities for life was there help, pregnancy cure center monroe with 157 00:09:41.190 --> 00:09:43.149 their mobile unit was out there. Okay, they were offering real hope, 158 00:09:43.309 --> 00:09:46.669 offering real resources to families. I was like, man, I got a 159 00:09:46.750 --> 00:09:48.990 team up with that, like yeah, we got to figure out a way 160 00:09:50.509 --> 00:09:52.299 to be a part of, yeah, life in our city. And so, 161 00:09:52.460 --> 00:09:56.019 you know, cities for life, obviously we're involved in sidewall counseling there, 162 00:09:56.179 --> 00:10:00.299 we're involved in regular outreach and that was again the folks that you saw 163 00:10:00.460 --> 00:10:03.940 reaching out there. But the Lord really put a burden in your heart to 164 00:10:03.059 --> 00:10:07.409 to really get so so you have like this handful of people that are there 165 00:10:07.409 --> 00:10:11.090 too, very committed, mostly homeschool moms, that they are reaching out really 166 00:10:11.129 --> 00:10:15.330 in the think of that spiritual battle, but from when I get from you 167 00:10:15.370 --> 00:10:18.769 you're thinking. was like, okay, this is a bigger issue than just 168 00:10:18.889 --> 00:10:22.799 a handful of people doing something about this thing. This is something that we 169 00:10:22.000 --> 00:10:26.440 need to come at as the Church of Jesus Christ. And Yeah, to 170 00:10:26.559 --> 00:10:30.399 me, I mean that's in your heart. Yeah, we just had a 171 00:10:30.440 --> 00:10:33.039 meeting yesterday. You did, you guys hit it up a meeting with some 172 00:10:33.120 --> 00:10:37.750 local pastors, eighteen different churches that had pastors. You guys have been I 173 00:10:37.870 --> 00:10:41.149 mean as a ministry, cities are like. We've had hard time getting churches, 174 00:10:41.190 --> 00:10:43.950 getting pastors to come out and to do sidewalk council. It's a lot 175 00:10:43.990 --> 00:10:46.549 of them have we think, God for him, but getting into the kind 176 00:10:46.590 --> 00:10:50.659 of the the broader church world. You guys have been able to do that 177 00:10:50.899 --> 00:10:54.700 in some ways that I don't think a lot of ministries ever a magic it 178 00:10:54.899 --> 00:10:58.659 would even be possible. Yeah, so talk to me a little bit about 179 00:10:58.700 --> 00:11:03.220 sort of your burden for the Church and and the church being involved in this 180 00:11:03.419 --> 00:11:05.570 thing. Yeah, well, first off, just we were, I was 181 00:11:05.649 --> 00:11:11.809 encouraging inspired to do more by seeing the faithful remnant that was already there. 182 00:11:11.210 --> 00:11:15.649 You know, families like yours, the Benom's Vicky, so many others that 183 00:11:16.129 --> 00:11:20.399 you know, had just jumped in and we're doing everything they could to bring 184 00:11:20.600 --> 00:11:24.080 life to these families. And I really believe that that remnant has plowed a 185 00:11:24.440 --> 00:11:28.519 hard ground. Yeah, and we're really reaping. We're seeing some things that 186 00:11:28.600 --> 00:11:33.269 are happening because of the ground that was plowed by groups like cities for life 187 00:11:33.269 --> 00:11:37.269 and so many faithful families that were out here when nobody else knew, no, 188 00:11:37.549 --> 00:11:41.029 true, nobody else knew about the abortion clinic. You guys were continue 189 00:11:41.110 --> 00:11:43.710 to be faithful day after day. You've been doing this for what, thirteen 190 00:11:43.750 --> 00:11:46.909 years? His sins too, since two thousand and five. Yeah, and 191 00:11:46.029 --> 00:11:50.179 so, man, just honor you, Bro like you've inspired me, my 192 00:11:50.379 --> 00:11:54.340 family so many others. But I knew that you it wasn't just the work 193 00:11:54.460 --> 00:11:56.500 for you guys to do, like, yes, it is for the body 194 00:11:56.580 --> 00:12:00.940 of Christ, right, yeah, and it's too much to shoulder just for 195 00:12:01.059 --> 00:12:03.330 a handful of families. So the Lord you have began doing a work in 196 00:12:03.409 --> 00:12:07.129 me of just, you know, how can we bring in the Church of 197 00:12:07.169 --> 00:12:11.690 Jesus Christ as a whole in this city to activate them, to give them 198 00:12:11.769 --> 00:12:16.360 a vehicle to experience what I experienced, you know, seeing it being yeah, 199 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:20.879 broken over the issue and then being led with compassion to actually do, 200 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:24.399 you know, real things that need to be done in our city, hard 201 00:12:24.559 --> 00:12:28.200 things, to lay our lives down so that others can live. And so 202 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:31.429 that's, you know, another thing that I just remember from that day. 203 00:12:31.029 --> 00:12:35.750 I remember thinking, man, if thirty people were dying in a local elementary 204 00:12:35.750 --> 00:12:39.830 school, or Middle School, whatever you want to put on it, right, 205 00:12:39.429 --> 00:12:43.149 if that was happening, this thing would be national news in a matter 206 00:12:43.149 --> 00:12:46.139 of seconds. The FBI, the SWAT, everybody would be running to the 207 00:12:46.220 --> 00:12:50.100 scene. Yeah, and I didn't believe the local church would be running to 208 00:12:50.220 --> 00:12:54.500 Celia scenarios right, to bring healing, to bring protection in those families. 209 00:12:54.500 --> 00:12:58.259 And so again, as I came to the revelation that this is that these 210 00:12:58.259 --> 00:13:01.009 are children were talking about. God sees zero difference between the kids in the 211 00:13:01.049 --> 00:13:05.090 womb and the kids outside of the womb, I said, how come we're 212 00:13:05.169 --> 00:13:09.210 not running to the scene in greater numbers, because we have people that are 213 00:13:09.250 --> 00:13:13.440 dying in this building six days a week and we don't know where else that's 214 00:13:13.440 --> 00:13:16.639 going to take place. Right we don't know what the next school shooting is 215 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:20.159 going to take place. We don't know when the next homicide is going to 216 00:13:20.200 --> 00:13:24.080 take place or where it's going to happen, but we do know we're around 217 00:13:24.080 --> 00:13:28.389 twenty to thirty children are going to die every day in our city. So 218 00:13:28.470 --> 00:13:30.990 therefore we should be running to the scene. And so this is just a 219 00:13:31.110 --> 00:13:35.269 burden that the Lord began putting in my heart. And then fast forward a 220 00:13:35.350 --> 00:13:39.429 two thousand and fifteen. Is when the Lord really downloaded the strategy for what 221 00:13:39.590 --> 00:13:43.340 that looks like. Yeah, and a little bit of that strategy. Yeah. 222 00:13:43.700 --> 00:13:46.860 So just again, this was in a season of just seeking the Lord, 223 00:13:46.899 --> 00:13:48.980 and I remember the kind of the first email that came through. I 224 00:13:50.019 --> 00:13:52.620 think you you sent it to David and David sent it to me, or 225 00:13:52.659 --> 00:13:56.730 obviously send it to both both of us, like here's this strategy. Yeah, 226 00:13:56.769 --> 00:14:00.049 and it's like this, this dude like has gotten something from the Lord, 227 00:14:00.129 --> 00:14:01.889 like he's gotten something kind of laid out here. So, yeah, 228 00:14:01.889 --> 00:14:05.330 yeah, I remember. It's August twenty of two thousand and fifteen. I 229 00:14:05.450 --> 00:14:11.159 was on my living room floor and just seeking the face of God and felt 230 00:14:11.200 --> 00:14:13.279 him speak very clearly to me that day. I've called you to the least 231 00:14:13.320 --> 00:14:16.960 of these and I've called you to be a voice for the voiceless. Yeah, 232 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:20.679 and you know, again, this had already seated, already been planted 233 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:22.600 in my heart and we had got involved, you know, with some things 234 00:14:22.639 --> 00:14:28.190 here locally. But we actually had plans. We thought we were going to 235 00:14:28.230 --> 00:14:31.029 do international missions. Okay, as a family. We thought that the Lord 236 00:14:31.149 --> 00:14:35.830 was potentially even calling us to sell the business and do some things internationally. 237 00:14:37.029 --> 00:14:41.299 But the Lord had different plans for us. And and again, that's the 238 00:14:41.340 --> 00:14:43.059 word that he spoke to me. And then, following that, about over 239 00:14:43.100 --> 00:14:46.500 the course of a week, God just sort of waken me up in the 240 00:14:46.539 --> 00:14:50.379 middle of the night. I wasn't able to sleep that much and during that 241 00:14:50.500 --> 00:14:52.889 time just started journaling the things that the God was putting in my heart. 242 00:14:54.730 --> 00:14:56.769 And that's what became love life, the things that he was downloading to me 243 00:14:56.850 --> 00:15:01.610 during over that course of the week, and took me into the book of 244 00:15:01.649 --> 00:15:03.970 Nehemiah, and a lot of the strategy came from the Amiah. Yeah, 245 00:15:05.049 --> 00:15:09.840 and so the whole mission is uniting and mobilizing the church. Yeah, we 246 00:15:09.960 --> 00:15:13.240 believe the church is the key element here to create a culture of love and 247 00:15:13.360 --> 00:15:16.080 life. That would result to an end too, abortion and the orphan crisis. 248 00:15:16.679 --> 00:15:20.080 And so what we what we always say is we believe God's called the 249 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:24.350 church to shape the culture. Politician legislation that's downstream there to follow the culture. 250 00:15:24.789 --> 00:15:28.429 We want to create a culture where family stopped running to local abortion clinics 251 00:15:28.470 --> 00:15:31.470 for the answer. They start running to the local church. Yeah, and 252 00:15:31.710 --> 00:15:35.779 again, just standing on the word of God. Matthew Sixteen Eighteen says the 253 00:15:35.820 --> 00:15:37.860 gates of hell will not prevail against the church. It's the church is so 254 00:15:37.980 --> 00:15:43.179 key here in Matthew Sixteen nineteen that he's given us the keys to the kingdom. 255 00:15:43.220 --> 00:15:45.500 Whatever we bond on earth, we bound in heaven. A we loose 256 00:15:45.580 --> 00:15:48.899 on earth, be loose in heaven, says Co Laboring with the Lord that 257 00:15:48.980 --> 00:15:52.730 he desires. I fully believe God wants to see abortion in more than we 258 00:15:52.850 --> 00:15:54.490 do. Yeah, he's just been waiting for his bride. When waiting for 259 00:15:54.529 --> 00:15:58.169 their church. Yeah, the Colabor with them in this mission is some. 260 00:15:58.370 --> 00:16:02.169 Some flip says, which is like a classic quote, is abortion won't end 261 00:16:02.210 --> 00:16:04.679 in this country until the Church of Jesus Christ ascided that it will. And 262 00:16:04.720 --> 00:16:08.279 I believe that's a true statement. Absolutely. And Flip was there that day 263 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.879 when I first came out in two thousand and twelve and okay, I believe 264 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:15.559 he shared that with me then and just started seating some things in my heart 265 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.149 of you know, the importance of the local church. Yeah, and getting 266 00:16:18.190 --> 00:16:22.629 involved in this thing. And so that's the mission of Love Life we've we 267 00:16:23.149 --> 00:16:26.590 use a vehicle, it's just a vehicle, to mobilize a church or what 268 00:16:26.629 --> 00:16:30.509 we call all a forty week journey of hope. Yeah, and again this 269 00:16:30.629 --> 00:16:33.779 was part of the strategy that the Lord Download. But the forty weeks is, 270 00:16:34.019 --> 00:16:37.899 you know, the time from conception to birth, and we give each 271 00:16:37.059 --> 00:16:41.460 partnering Church at least we ask them to take at least one week out of 272 00:16:41.500 --> 00:16:44.940 the forty weeks. Many take multiple weeks, but say take at least one 273 00:16:44.980 --> 00:16:49.370 week to mobilize your people through what we call adoption week. And in adoption 274 00:16:49.529 --> 00:16:53.809 week we walker people through four steps. We want them to hear, pray, 275 00:16:55.250 --> 00:16:57.850 go and connect. So the here pieces education. Right, we got 276 00:16:57.970 --> 00:17:00.919 to know really what's happening in our backyard. Most people don't know, as 277 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:03.960 I didn't know, Oh yeah, that abortion is the leading cause of death 278 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:07.599 in our city. Most people are completely unaware. When I share that stat 279 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.839 in churches they're like what, yeah, more death is happening through abortion and 280 00:17:12.200 --> 00:17:17.549 cancer or heart disease or anything else. Yeah, at days combine. That's 281 00:17:17.549 --> 00:17:21.710 the reality of what's happening in our cities. These are children that we're talking 282 00:17:21.789 --> 00:17:23.190 about. And then, of course, you know, what does God's words 283 00:17:23.230 --> 00:17:26.549 say about life? And but we don't stop there. That's just step one. 284 00:17:27.390 --> 00:17:30.500 That's typically a lot of times where we have stopped as as a church 285 00:17:30.539 --> 00:17:34.059 right and in the past, and we call the church to prayer and fasting 286 00:17:34.099 --> 00:17:40.420 on their Wednesday of their adoption week, because we believe this is spiritual battle 287 00:17:40.460 --> 00:17:42.700 that must be fought with spiritual weapons. And when we pray and we fast, 288 00:17:42.779 --> 00:17:47.450 it aligns our heart with the father's heart. So it's a critical element. 289 00:17:47.490 --> 00:17:48.849 Mark Nine hundred and twenty nine. This kind can only come out through 290 00:17:48.849 --> 00:17:53.009 prayer and fasting. But then again, we don't stop at step two. 291 00:17:53.049 --> 00:17:56.890 We say we got to go to step three, which is we want a 292 00:17:56.009 --> 00:18:00.039 prayer walk, we want to go to the brokenness in our city and you 293 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:03.640 know, to do a prayer walk. So we do that for forty weeks. 294 00:18:03.920 --> 00:18:07.000 From nine to eleven in the morning is the prayer walks. When people 295 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.920 come, they we try to make it as turn key as possible. So, 296 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:12.789 yes, which people show up? You know, they're greeted by volunteers 297 00:18:12.829 --> 00:18:17.349 or help people parking their cars. They come in, they get a free 298 00:18:17.430 --> 00:18:19.470 love life t shirt, they get the wristband, they get our prayer card 299 00:18:19.829 --> 00:18:23.349 that has our code of conduct on it, and then for two hours we 300 00:18:23.549 --> 00:18:27.259 worship, we pray, we use the weapons that God has given us, 301 00:18:27.339 --> 00:18:33.259 those things, the word of God, testimonies, and we allow people to 302 00:18:33.339 --> 00:18:37.779 have that moment that I had right two thousand and twelve, to see it 303 00:18:37.940 --> 00:18:41.210 for themselves, let the Lord break their heart. And then, at the 304 00:18:41.250 --> 00:18:45.970 end of the prayer walk we say it's great that you've heard and you've prayed 305 00:18:47.130 --> 00:18:52.009 and you've come today, but now we're asking you to begin the rebuilding process 306 00:18:52.089 --> 00:18:55.529 here in our city, to get connected beyond the prayer walk, which is 307 00:18:55.529 --> 00:18:57.720 step for rebuilding you means that connection with the Ami am y on the w 308 00:18:57.960 --> 00:19:00.400 on the wall, you know. So what is your place on the wall? 309 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.599 Like you know, are you called to be a sidewalk counselor with cities 310 00:19:03.640 --> 00:19:07.240 for life? Are you called to be a mentor for a mom or dad 311 00:19:07.559 --> 00:19:11.950 that's made the choice for life? Right, I see you know, sidewalk 312 00:19:11.990 --> 00:19:15.390 counseling and frontlines ministry a lot like a rescue system. Yeah, you're open 313 00:19:15.430 --> 00:19:19.069 snatch people out of the fire. It's a critical, critical element. Yeah, 314 00:19:19.069 --> 00:19:22.150 and if you feel called to that, great, get trained up and 315 00:19:22.269 --> 00:19:26.339 get get in the fight. But some might be called more of the rehabilitation 316 00:19:26.740 --> 00:19:30.660 yea process. Right. Then, mentoring element of saying hey, you know, 317 00:19:32.059 --> 00:19:33.700 we're not here just to tell you that there's help available for you, 318 00:19:33.819 --> 00:19:37.769 we want to connect you into a local church with a mentor that's going to 319 00:19:37.849 --> 00:19:41.250 walk with you. So some are called to be mentors, some are called 320 00:19:41.289 --> 00:19:45.210 a sidewalk council, some are called to foster or adopt. We believe this 321 00:19:45.329 --> 00:19:47.769 is a big part of the culture shift. Yeah, I'm going to care 322 00:19:47.769 --> 00:19:49.849 about the orphan in the womb and also the orphonos. One of the dynamics 323 00:19:49.930 --> 00:19:52.359 to you, you know, I just jump in here quick as that. 324 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:56.400 If you talk to women that come to an abortion clinic, I don't want 325 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:59.119 a statistic is you might know, but a lot of these women that come 326 00:19:59.160 --> 00:20:02.599 to an abortion clinic are, we're in the foster care system themselves and in 327 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.400 sword I col yeah, it's like there's a cycle that can be broken. 328 00:20:06.440 --> 00:20:08.869 So we can get into the foster care system and bring the Gospel to these 329 00:20:08.950 --> 00:20:11.910 kids when they're young, then they won't end up there. But yeah, 330 00:20:11.950 --> 00:20:15.509 exactly. Mean in North Carolina there's Twelveero kids in the foster care system. 331 00:20:15.509 --> 00:20:18.750 That fluctuates, you know, of course, but around Twelvezero kids in the 332 00:20:18.789 --> 00:20:22.980 foster care system, about Zozo of those kids are clear and free for adoption 333 00:20:23.019 --> 00:20:26.740 immediately. Is Waiting for mom and a dad that will adopt them, and 334 00:20:26.819 --> 00:20:30.660 most people are unaware it, just as I was, that there's zero cost 335 00:20:30.779 --> 00:20:33.819 financially to adopt one of those kids. Yeah, you know when you're when 336 00:20:33.819 --> 00:20:37.529 you're adopting a kid out of the foster care system. So, yeah, 337 00:20:37.569 --> 00:20:40.089 we believe this is the role of the church. Is Not the role of 338 00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:44.650 government. Psalm Sixty eight five tells us that a father to the fatherless, 339 00:20:44.650 --> 00:20:48.849 a defender of widows, is God and is wholly dwelling. He takes the 340 00:20:48.970 --> 00:20:52.160 lonely and he sets some in families. Yeah, so we always challenge a 341 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.839 church. I don't that we say we don't believe. God's calling us to 342 00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:57.759 build more orphanages. He's calling us to adopt more kids. Yeah, and 343 00:20:57.880 --> 00:21:03.279 the church is the answer for that and if, if the light doesn't disciple 344 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:06.589 these kids, the darkness gladly will. Well, yeah, and so to 345 00:21:06.670 --> 00:21:08.910 your point, as we bring these kids into godly homes, not just any 346 00:21:08.990 --> 00:21:14.150 home, and to godly homes, we can really begin to see the culture 347 00:21:14.269 --> 00:21:18.269 shift. Yeah. So this is again adoption week. Here, pray, 348 00:21:18.430 --> 00:21:22.460 go connect. This is how we mobilize the church. This all comes out 349 00:21:22.500 --> 00:21:25.059 of Neemiah. Yeah, the am I went on the same exact journey. 350 00:21:25.059 --> 00:21:27.940 He heard the tragedy that was happening in Jerusalem. That's where nee my one 351 00:21:29.059 --> 00:21:33.490 begins. His brother comes and shares with him about the brokenness and Jerusalem. 352 00:21:33.970 --> 00:21:37.890 So we educate people. Then he turned a prayer and fasting, which is 353 00:21:37.930 --> 00:21:41.009 stepped to. Yeah, but he didn't stop there and I think a lot 354 00:21:41.049 --> 00:21:44.970 of times again, as Christians, we kind of stopped there. And because, 355 00:21:45.569 --> 00:21:48.240 listen, we believe in the power of prayer. Right, prayer and 356 00:21:48.279 --> 00:21:51.359 fasting is the backbone of our of our campaign. But we also are called 357 00:21:51.440 --> 00:21:53.839 to lay our lives down, as first John Three, sixteen and eighteen tells 358 00:21:53.880 --> 00:22:00.519 us to do. And so we see Nehemiah. He leaves his palace where 359 00:22:00.559 --> 00:22:03.390 he was and he goes to the brokenness, yeah, to Jerusalem, where 360 00:22:03.390 --> 00:22:07.549 the brokenness is, and that's what we're saying to the church. It's time 361 00:22:07.589 --> 00:22:11.750 for us to leave our palaces and to go to the brokenness of our city, 362 00:22:11.069 --> 00:22:14.990 which is the prayer walk. That's the prayer the prayer walk element. 363 00:22:15.029 --> 00:22:18.299 That happens every Saturday's and then the rebuilding begins. Yeah, after that, 364 00:22:18.460 --> 00:22:22.859 in Chapter Three, thee my chapter three, the rebuilding process begins and we 365 00:22:22.940 --> 00:22:27.339 see a beautiful picture of unity. And Chapter Yeah, which is the father's 366 00:22:27.380 --> 00:22:30.930 heart. We know, we see that the Levites stood next to the priest 367 00:22:32.049 --> 00:22:34.809 a priesthood next to the merchant and merchant next to the Goldsmith, and so 368 00:22:34.890 --> 00:22:38.529 we're calling for the church to do the same, for the Baptists, stand 369 00:22:38.569 --> 00:22:42.609 next to the Presbyterians, Presbyterians next to the pentecostle's, pen acostles, next 370 00:22:42.650 --> 00:22:48.160 to non denomination, as well as other parachurch organizations. Because it's united body 371 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:52.200 of Christ it's going to break the stronghold of abortion. Yes, city, 372 00:22:52.279 --> 00:22:56.079 and so that's the mission, that's the download that the Lord has given us. 373 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:57.160 We've been doing it for about three and a half years. Yeah, 374 00:22:57.160 --> 00:23:00.269 we're here in Charlotte, Greens grow and Rowley now and we launch a New 375 00:23:00.269 --> 00:23:03.789 York City there, which is which is amazing, that you're going to launched 376 00:23:03.789 --> 00:23:07.630 there in New York. Talk Real quick, if you could, because I 377 00:23:07.710 --> 00:23:08.990 know there's going to be people that will listen to this podcast. You know, 378 00:23:10.029 --> 00:23:12.059 it's called Gospel centered pro life and and what I get from you and 379 00:23:12.740 --> 00:23:17.859 anyone within our ministry, anyone within the prolife movement that I'm connected with, 380 00:23:18.339 --> 00:23:21.019 if you ask them why they're pro life, they're going to go right to 381 00:23:21.099 --> 00:23:23.460 Jesus, the Gospel God change my heart. He got a hold of my 382 00:23:23.539 --> 00:23:26.210 heart for this issue and I'm doing it because of what he's done in my 383 00:23:26.329 --> 00:23:29.609 heart. So that's that's what I'm getting from you, which is which is 384 00:23:29.650 --> 00:23:32.529 awesome. But there's going to be people to listen to this podcast that are 385 00:23:32.609 --> 00:23:34.529 thinking like, okay, I'm out here on the Sidewalker, I'm here in 386 00:23:34.569 --> 00:23:37.730 a pregnancy center and I'm doing this work and I just don't feel like anybody's 387 00:23:37.769 --> 00:23:41.640 coming along. I don't feel like the Church has risen up in my city. 388 00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:44.079 How in the world are they able to do it there? And you 389 00:23:44.119 --> 00:23:45.839 kind of say, well, we get this package thing that we bring to 390 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:51.000 a pasture, we share it with them and they can get on board and 391 00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:52.000 they get on board and they come out and they do the prayer walks. 392 00:23:52.519 --> 00:23:56.470 But what are some of the things? Because some, you know, people 393 00:23:56.470 --> 00:23:57.869 aren't going to be able. ALL PEOPLE WARN'T gonna be able to do that, 394 00:23:57.990 --> 00:24:00.710 but to get a package thing. But they can still encourage people to 395 00:24:00.789 --> 00:24:04.950 pray. So one of the some of the things that you've learned that you 396 00:24:06.109 --> 00:24:07.869 can say to a pastor to really get his heart. I know some of 397 00:24:07.910 --> 00:24:11.259 US going to be some of the stuff you've already said. But there are 398 00:24:11.299 --> 00:24:15.539 the other barriers. You know. I just share real quick. There's barriers 399 00:24:15.539 --> 00:24:18.220 as far as I'm concerned. When I speak to a pastor and I say 400 00:24:18.220 --> 00:24:19.380 hey, we got to an abortion clinic, we offer help and hope. 401 00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:22.140 In the name of Jesus, they think, Oh, you're those people that 402 00:24:22.220 --> 00:24:25.970 stand in front of an abortion clinic hold up pictures of dead babies and yellow 403 00:24:25.970 --> 00:24:27.369 women right now. So I have to tear that stigma down. I have 404 00:24:27.490 --> 00:24:30.569 to have to come after that thing right away. Are you get some of 405 00:24:30.650 --> 00:24:33.650 that? And for sure? I mean that's definitely kind of the stigma. 406 00:24:33.769 --> 00:24:37.569 The most pro life, you know, ministry is viewed in especially if it's 407 00:24:37.569 --> 00:24:41.839 done out an abortion clinic. Yeah, and so what we we've done. 408 00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:45.640 And when we started small man, our very first prayer walk, we had 409 00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:48.240 twenty two people. You, yeah, remember. Yeah. And and just 410 00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:52.599 we started with, you know, those that were close to us, of 411 00:24:52.720 --> 00:24:56.589 course, my own pastor. Yeah, my pastor Jeff was all in from 412 00:24:56.630 --> 00:24:57.990 the very again it. He's a good brother. Yeah. And so just 413 00:24:59.029 --> 00:25:02.950 I would encourage people to start with your pastor start with your church, start 414 00:25:02.950 --> 00:25:07.099 with people maybe that you know are your friends and their church. But the 415 00:25:07.460 --> 00:25:12.619 easiest way that we have found on board churches to get them involved in pro 416 00:25:12.740 --> 00:25:18.500 life work is say, come with me for one hour to the abortion clinic. 417 00:25:18.579 --> 00:25:21.490 We call it a Onehour journey. Yeah, we call it. And 418 00:25:21.569 --> 00:25:23.849 they come out for one hour and we do something very similar. That was 419 00:25:23.970 --> 00:25:27.529 done with me in two thousand and twelve. Yeah, it's a simple invitation 420 00:25:29.809 --> 00:25:33.690 to for people to come out see it for themselves. So I would bring 421 00:25:33.730 --> 00:25:37.680 people out, we educate them, we let them know how many abortions are 422 00:25:37.680 --> 00:25:41.480 happening every day, how many abortions are happening every week, because most pastors 423 00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:45.880 don't know that. Another staggering thing that most pastors are unaware of is that 424 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:48.759 these are private businesses for the most part, except for the plan parenthoods and 425 00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.630 a few others, but these are privately owned businesses that are bringing in millions 426 00:25:52.670 --> 00:25:56.869 of dollars a year doing nothing but abortions. Yeah, so we educate these 427 00:25:56.950 --> 00:26:00.029 people in this one hour and then we just spend time in prayer together. 428 00:26:00.069 --> 00:26:03.269 Yeah, just say let's let's pray. Man, there's lives on the line. 429 00:26:03.299 --> 00:26:07.619 We're standing between the living and the dead right now, and in that 430 00:26:07.819 --> 00:26:11.619 time, in that moment of education, awareness and prayer, God begins to 431 00:26:11.779 --> 00:26:15.940 break the heart of the shepherds and the pastors in our city. And then 432 00:26:17.019 --> 00:26:18.849 at the end of it, typically they want to know art what I need 433 00:26:18.890 --> 00:26:23.250 to do. Yeah, let's do something. So you basically like the Lord 434 00:26:23.369 --> 00:26:26.690 set you up. Yeah, right, I'm the Lord. Set me up. 435 00:26:26.690 --> 00:26:29.930 In that scenario, you kind of setting them up for the Holy Spirit 436 00:26:30.009 --> 00:26:32.730 to do his words. Right. You know, I mentioned yesterday to you, 437 00:26:32.809 --> 00:26:37.440 and Andre, Andre is the city director here in Charlotte, about how 438 00:26:37.519 --> 00:26:40.920 the prayer walks really, in my mind, are a short term mission trip, 439 00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.039 though no one goes on a full term mission like sales everything and goes 440 00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:48.630 out to the Philippines or China or whatever. Without, typically without having first 441 00:26:48.670 --> 00:26:53.309 gone out on a short term mission, get their heart really from the Lord, 442 00:26:53.390 --> 00:26:57.829 get their heart chains for that that city or that that village or that 443 00:26:57.950 --> 00:27:02.660 country or whatever. And so that's kind of what you're doing with these pastors 444 00:27:02.700 --> 00:27:06.059 and with these these individuals, okaylutely exposing them to the thing where it takes 445 00:27:06.099 --> 00:27:08.299 place and let in the Holy Spirit do his work. That's it. Yeah, 446 00:27:08.299 --> 00:27:11.019 I think that's that's right on the money and we hear from pastors all 447 00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:15.849 the time the church that I brought out to the prayer walk is a completely 448 00:27:15.930 --> 00:27:21.490 different congregation that I brought back after the prayer walk. And that's what short 449 00:27:21.529 --> 00:27:25.250 term mission trips do. Yeah, mean stirs up not just for pro life 450 00:27:25.329 --> 00:27:27.410 work, but really anything. I mean just serving in the nursery, you 451 00:27:27.490 --> 00:27:32.880 know. You know, their congregation wants to serve in more ways after, 452 00:27:33.440 --> 00:27:36.240 you know, the short term mission trip. Yeah, that's the same with 453 00:27:36.319 --> 00:27:38.240 the pastors, and so I would encourage people to do that. Just, 454 00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.960 you know, a simple invitation. You know, kind of start with the 455 00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.230 people that you have, yeah, people in your network ready, you know, 456 00:27:45.390 --> 00:27:49.069 and and be educated. Educate yourself on it first, so as you 457 00:27:49.190 --> 00:27:52.869 stand there, you're able to educate them on what's happening. Abortions are happening 458 00:27:52.990 --> 00:27:56.670 on these days. You know, typically this amount of people are here, 459 00:27:57.309 --> 00:28:00.700 you know, so that you can share that information with these pastors or whoever 460 00:28:00.779 --> 00:28:04.819 you're taking out there, spend time in prayer. And I would say kind 461 00:28:04.819 --> 00:28:08.140 of a next phase of that is, if you decide to go beyond that, 462 00:28:10.460 --> 00:28:14.970 doing the best that you can to really create a vehicle or turnkey package 463 00:28:15.089 --> 00:28:18.690 for people to get involved in this work. One of the pastors yesterday gave 464 00:28:19.450 --> 00:28:22.970 well, we take as an incredible compliment because we work so hard on this 465 00:28:23.089 --> 00:28:26.690 element. He said, man, I just want to just want to say 466 00:28:26.849 --> 00:28:32.000 that what you guys have done to activate us, our body, our church 467 00:28:32.759 --> 00:28:36.039 and pro life ministry, what you have really done for us. You've made 468 00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:38.480 it doable. Yeah, you've made it doable. It just kind of seemed 469 00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.190 kind of, you know, like it was going to be such a big 470 00:28:41.230 --> 00:28:45.470 mountain to climb, but the way it's been packaged, you've made it doable 471 00:28:45.589 --> 00:28:52.069 for us and so anythings that you can do to make it a turnkey opportunity 472 00:28:52.109 --> 00:28:55.630 for people to serve, I think you have more success. Yeah, what 473 00:28:55.740 --> 00:28:57.619 are some of the some of the obstacles, though, is you talked to 474 00:28:57.740 --> 00:29:02.339 pastors, you share with, you know, with people who you know you 475 00:29:02.700 --> 00:29:04.420 want to get involved. You know you want them to, you want their 476 00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:08.019 heart for this thing. What are some of the obstacles? You've answered that 477 00:29:08.059 --> 00:29:11.170 a little bit. What are some of the obstacles that maybe you face it? 478 00:29:11.210 --> 00:29:15.450 You hadn't talked about. Yeah, it's good question, man. I 479 00:29:15.529 --> 00:29:19.089 mean I think you know, honestly, most of us, if we just 480 00:29:19.170 --> 00:29:22.690 get down to it, you know, the really boil it down, we're 481 00:29:22.690 --> 00:29:26.519 just really selfish. Yeah, if you're just right, I say how it 482 00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:32.359 is s class of the big obscure and and so. And also, along 483 00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:34.319 with that, I think also we've become numb and a lot of ways to 484 00:29:34.480 --> 00:29:37.319 this. Like, I'm thirty four years old, so I grew up in 485 00:29:37.359 --> 00:29:41.430 a culture of death, yeah, meaning that abortion was always legal on demand. 486 00:29:41.509 --> 00:29:45.630 It's all I ever known. Yeah, and so I think for a 487 00:29:45.710 --> 00:29:49.109 lot of us we just have grown up with this always being the case and 488 00:29:49.190 --> 00:29:52.220 in some ways we kind of just think it always is going to be the 489 00:29:52.380 --> 00:29:56.019 case. Yeah, first, versus understanding the time that we live in and 490 00:29:56.059 --> 00:30:00.460 saying we're going to stand against the cultural tide of our day. But I 491 00:30:00.579 --> 00:30:03.339 think it's, you know, kind of the numbness, the callousmist towards the 492 00:30:03.420 --> 00:30:07.769 issue in a lot of ways, but then also just the selfishness. Yeah, 493 00:30:07.769 --> 00:30:11.289 a lot of US carry so. But I think you break a lot 494 00:30:11.369 --> 00:30:15.170 of that down by doing what I said earlier, getting people out there. 495 00:30:15.250 --> 00:30:17.369 We get them out, they get him out there. Yeah, like God 496 00:30:17.410 --> 00:30:18.970 break their heart. One of the one of the challenges, and I know 497 00:30:19.089 --> 00:30:23.720 you've encountered this as well as you talk to just pastors but also to just 498 00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:26.880 individual Christians, is like, okay, we have this issue called abortion. 499 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:30.240 Yeah, they're taking innocent lives. You get the political push back, like 500 00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:33.039 this is the political thing. I don't really want to deal with politics. 501 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.109 For sure, I get that. Yeah, it's great. I'm glad he 502 00:30:36.150 --> 00:30:38.430 brought that up. Yeah, we do. Honestly, we don't deal with 503 00:30:38.630 --> 00:30:42.349 it once we get people out to the abortion clinic. Hardly at all. 504 00:30:42.549 --> 00:30:48.029 Right, yeah, it's like that almost erases so many things. But kind 505 00:30:48.029 --> 00:30:51.779 of prior to that you get that more and very seldom will get it after. 506 00:30:51.980 --> 00:30:55.339 But but yeah, I mean I think you know, just hitting that 507 00:30:55.460 --> 00:30:56.660 head on and just, you know, challenging people to say, look, 508 00:30:56.700 --> 00:31:00.740 this is not a political issue. This is a moral issue. Just because 509 00:31:00.859 --> 00:31:07.730 politicians talk about the poor doesn't make poverty political. Yeah, I mean, 510 00:31:07.809 --> 00:31:11.450 politicians talk about the poor all the time, but no pastor would say that 511 00:31:11.650 --> 00:31:15.569 the issue of the poor is political, right, yeah, it's so in 512 00:31:15.690 --> 00:31:18.799 some way Satan has like deceived us. Oh yeah, and if thinking that 513 00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:25.960 this moral issue is political, and and also we see in scripture, and 514 00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:30.240 you know, that John the Baptist spoke to the political leaders of his day 515 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.759 and it cost him his head. Yeah, I mean, I don't know 516 00:31:32.990 --> 00:31:36.990 where we get that we shouldn't speak even to things that are in the political 517 00:31:37.029 --> 00:31:40.789 realm. But just it's a cop out, you know, just a backs 518 00:31:40.789 --> 00:31:42.309 up. I mean, it's not a political issue. These are children that 519 00:31:42.349 --> 00:31:47.460 we're talking about, these are people that are dying in the same way of 520 00:31:48.259 --> 00:31:52.259 when slavery was happening in the mid eighteen hundreds, you know, when black 521 00:31:52.299 --> 00:31:56.180 people were being hung from trees. You know, Yep, politicians were talking 522 00:31:56.259 --> 00:32:00.420 about that all the time. But would we, as the Church today say 523 00:32:00.490 --> 00:32:04.690 that slavery is a political issue? No, we wouldn't. Write. I 524 00:32:04.690 --> 00:32:07.769 mean these are children, these are children of God that we're talking about. 525 00:32:08.690 --> 00:32:13.289 So I just would challenge that, thinking in a loving way. I would 526 00:32:13.289 --> 00:32:16.200 be very graceful about it, point people to scripture and just walcome through it. 527 00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:21.559 Yeah, so just about five more minutes before we wrap up, but 528 00:32:21.599 --> 00:32:23.160 I didn't want to ask you a question because you're again you're new to the 529 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:27.920 pro life movements. Far As some are concerned, you know, I've been 530 00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.829 people like we mentioned flip Beenham earlier, have been in the stank for, 531 00:32:30.990 --> 00:32:34.430 you know, thirty plus years. You have other people even within our ministry, 532 00:32:34.509 --> 00:32:37.309 have been in this thing longer than I have, which is amazing. 533 00:32:37.869 --> 00:32:42.789 But being kind of new on the pro life scene, are there some things 534 00:32:42.910 --> 00:32:46.859 within the pro life movement not not to be critical? Obviously we can't, 535 00:32:47.180 --> 00:32:50.380 you know, I can criticize everybody or you should be doing this, you 536 00:32:50.420 --> 00:32:52.700 should be doing that, and I know you're you. That's just not your 537 00:32:52.779 --> 00:32:54.500 heart. It's not my heart either. But if there're things you think that 538 00:32:54.619 --> 00:32:58.650 we could do better give are there things that you think that the pro life 539 00:32:58.730 --> 00:33:04.650 movement has sort of failed hone or it just ainting constructive? Yeah, criticism. 540 00:33:04.769 --> 00:33:07.970 I mean it again. I just begin with I have seen families like 541 00:33:08.089 --> 00:33:12.880 yourself and the Benom's and flip and the hell dress and so many others that 542 00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.319 have really paved the way. I think it's so many ways for this, 543 00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.839 you know, till that hard ground, and I really believe we're getting to 544 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.720 stand on your shoulders today in many ways. But you know, the Lord 545 00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:30.029 just gave again. I didn't come in with, you know, like being 546 00:33:30.109 --> 00:33:32.029 raised up in front of an abortion clinic or anything like that, at an 547 00:33:32.069 --> 00:33:37.109 amazing family that always led me and taught me the things of God and lived 548 00:33:37.109 --> 00:33:40.069 it out in the home. But I wasn't raised like your kids been raised 549 00:33:40.069 --> 00:33:43.700 in front of an abortion clinic. Yeah, so I kind of just came 550 00:33:43.779 --> 00:33:47.099 into it with a fresh perspective. Yeah, and again it was a download 551 00:33:47.579 --> 00:33:53.779 from heaven really, but I just believe that as the Church of Jesus Christ, 552 00:33:54.930 --> 00:33:59.849 you know that we have the hope, we have the answers and and 553 00:34:00.009 --> 00:34:05.049 so therefore God is calling us, the church, to do hard things. 554 00:34:06.089 --> 00:34:08.809 If there's one message I can give to the church, it's people in pro 555 00:34:08.969 --> 00:34:14.039 life as well. He's calling us to deny ourselves and pick up our cross 556 00:34:14.119 --> 00:34:16.280 and follow him. That that is the call that he is giving us here 557 00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:20.360 today. And so for those in the pro life movement, maybe you've been 558 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.960 doing it for many, many years. I just want to encourage him to 559 00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.070 keep going them. Yeah, just keep going, keep going. We will 560 00:34:25.110 --> 00:34:28.989 see an end to this thing. Yeah, we will, and will look 561 00:34:29.070 --> 00:34:32.190 back on this thing and say, remember when in our children will grow up, 562 00:34:32.190 --> 00:34:37.829 I believe, in a country and in a nation that respects life once 563 00:34:37.949 --> 00:34:40.739 again. So I main encouragement for them is to keep going. The other 564 00:34:40.860 --> 00:34:44.460 piece I would say that I think it's critical. I know I'm not answering 565 00:34:44.460 --> 00:34:46.619 your question directly, but I'm yeah, I feel like I'm giving an overall 566 00:34:46.820 --> 00:34:52.380 understanding of this is that there's many different parts of the body and God is 567 00:34:52.420 --> 00:34:54.369 to design them in all many different ways. Yeah, and I think a 568 00:34:54.489 --> 00:34:59.610 lot of times what we do in the pro life movement, or whatever else 569 00:34:59.650 --> 00:35:01.769 you want to put it, across the body of Christ is we criticize one 570 00:35:01.809 --> 00:35:07.159 another because because we don't match up maybe with that gifting. Yeah, if 571 00:35:07.239 --> 00:35:12.000 my gifting is mercy and your gifting is the prophetic edge, then I'm going 572 00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:17.119 to cast my gifting through my lens upon you right expecting you to operate out 573 00:35:17.119 --> 00:35:21.199 of the gifting of mercy as well. And I think a lot of times 574 00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:23.909 vice verse is always true. The person with the prophetic edge is looking through 575 00:35:23.949 --> 00:35:29.710 their lens and casting their gifting upon the rest of the body of Christ. 576 00:35:29.829 --> 00:35:34.949 Yeah, versus honoring each other's Giftings, respecting each other's giftings and say, 577 00:35:35.030 --> 00:35:37.539 man, I'm thankful that there's many different parts in the body. Again, 578 00:35:37.579 --> 00:35:38.739 he's told us that some are the eyes, some of the ear or some 579 00:35:38.820 --> 00:35:42.940 of the knows, some of their hand. And so I think at the 580 00:35:43.099 --> 00:35:45.219 heart of it, man, that's a really key thing for us to catch 581 00:35:45.460 --> 00:35:49.860 in the pro life movement in the church as a whole, is to honor 582 00:35:49.900 --> 00:35:53.570 each other's giftings recognize them. It's because when they all come together, that's 583 00:35:53.570 --> 00:35:57.530 when we experience the fullness, yeah, the body of yeah, absolutely. 584 00:35:58.329 --> 00:36:01.690 Other than that, man, I just would say that engaging the local church 585 00:36:01.849 --> 00:36:05.679 is a critical thing. Yeah, I know most pro life groups try to 586 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.039 do that, but versus being frustrated by the local church and, yeah, 587 00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:13.679 I'm just going to do it all then forget about it, like we're going 588 00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:15.519 to launch this Paratrich Para Church Organization. We're going to do it all, 589 00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:21.469 find a way to come alongside the local church, to equip the local church, 590 00:36:21.909 --> 00:36:24.670 to give them the tools that are needed to accomplish the mission, yeah, 591 00:36:24.949 --> 00:36:28.670 versus us just kind of carrying ourselves. Yeah, yeah, that's a 592 00:36:28.670 --> 00:36:31.150 good word. Yeah, it's a good word and I think we'll end with 593 00:36:31.230 --> 00:36:35.699 that. I appreciate you shake him, but appreciate what the Lord's doing through 594 00:36:36.500 --> 00:36:38.300 through you guys. I'm actually going to have Andreal and hopefully in a couple 595 00:36:38.340 --> 00:36:40.820 of a couple of weeks, to talk about prayer and worship in front of 596 00:36:40.860 --> 00:36:44.300 an abortion clinic, because a lot of people don't think about praying worship. 597 00:36:44.340 --> 00:36:46.059 He's really got a hard, sordid yeah, so I want to talk about 598 00:36:46.059 --> 00:36:50.130 that with him, but I appreciate you coming. Appreciate all you guys who 599 00:36:50.170 --> 00:36:52.329 watch and who are listening and hope you're encouraged by these episodes. We're going 600 00:36:52.329 --> 00:36:57.449 to keep putting out episodes really centered around pro life issues in light of the 601 00:36:57.489 --> 00:37:00.170 Gospel. If you want to connect with us as a ministry. Again, 602 00:37:00.210 --> 00:37:02.639 this is not to promote cities for life. This is just for us to 603 00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:06.480 help you guys, to help equip you guys. But you can connect with 604 00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:09.360 cities for life with at Charlotte dot cities for Life Dot Org, and then 605 00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:15.320 we also have a website that's really national to encourage people's not, you know, 606 00:37:15.440 --> 00:37:16.550 trying to get people to come under our ban or anything like that. 607 00:37:16.710 --> 00:37:22.550 It's just an equipping website and that is sidewalks for life, sidewalks the number 608 00:37:22.590 --> 00:37:27.710 four and lifecom and there's a lot of stuff on there. Justin their website 609 00:37:27.869 --> 00:37:30.219 is Love Life Dot Org, and you can go into see what God's doing 610 00:37:30.260 --> 00:37:35.460 through them. If you're in Raleigh, Greensboro, CHARLOTTE, if you're in 611 00:37:35.579 --> 00:37:37.739 New York, coming in September, right New York City, they're going to 612 00:37:37.780 --> 00:37:40.340 do start prayer walks there, so you can get on more with those prayer 613 00:37:40.380 --> 00:37:44.329 walks and see what God is doing through that. We just want to encourage 614 00:37:44.329 --> 00:37:45.889 you. Guys. We appreciate all you who are serving the Lord and whatever 615 00:37:46.010 --> 00:37:50.329 capacity has called you to and we pray for God's blessing of you. Yeah, 616 00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:52.650 can I just say one thing? Yeah, I just want to say 617 00:37:52.690 --> 00:37:54.369 that in this is not because you're here. I say this a lot, 618 00:37:54.489 --> 00:38:00.199 but cities for life is one of the greatest front lines ministries in the nation. 619 00:38:00.559 --> 00:38:04.239 If you haven't connected with Front Lines Ministry or sidewalk counseling, I don't 620 00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:07.480 encourage you. Get connected with citiual life and they've done incredible work of putting 621 00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:10.360 together online training, as you mentioned earlier, the sidewalks for life. So 622 00:38:10.880 --> 00:38:14.389 tap into it. These guys have been in it for a long time. 623 00:38:14.429 --> 00:38:16.989 If learned a lot. There's a lot of DOS and don'ts in those trainings. 624 00:38:17.389 --> 00:38:21.150 So thankful for Citiual, I think. Yeah, sure, like God's 625 00:38:21.190 --> 00:38:29.860 Great. Yeah, all right, God bless use Milan, give me, 626 00:38:37.539 --> 00:38:52.929 give me. It will cost me my life, but things two precious inside